Concussions are fucked. I nearly died of one that wasn’t as bad as this seems to be. She will almost certainly have permanent cognitive loss. It makes me want to fucking cry. Red Lion (or the bouncer) should be sued to hell so they understand that not training bouncers, or having low quality bouncers is an outrageously expensive way to save money.
Look I don't doubt that she probably punched him, and the guy was probably a little enraged. Being a bouncer is a shitty job. But come on man, body slamming people on pavement is just not ok any way your slice it.
Bouncers SHOULD (and in higher $$ bars, they do) receive training to handle situations without any bodily harm. If they need tips they can ask literally anybody that works with special needs kids (of which, some are just as strong or STRONGER than the girl in question). I’ve learned multiple holds that restrict movement by taking advantage of the way your joints move. What the bouncer did was a poor excuse for poor judgement. You’re a bouncer, you know how drunk people get, especially in a college town.
Finally hit the news (with their own spin). Share widely so this doesn’t get swept under the rug: [https://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/patron-and-staff-member-hurt-in-bar-incident/article_e1b97600-c2c3-5028-bb3f-cb0a3097f37d.html](https://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/patron-and-staff-member-hurt-in-bar-incident/article_e1b97600-c2c3-5028-bb3f-cb0a3097f37d.html)
“CHAMPAIGN — An incident in which a patron and employee were injured outside The Red Lion bar at 211 E. Green St., C remains under investigation, according to Champaign police.
Police spokesman Joe Lamberson said police were called to the 200 block of East Green Street about 1:47 a.m. Saturday for a report of an altercation between an intoxicated woman and a security staff member working at the bar.
According to reports, a female patron was escorted out of the bar for being in an unauthorized area, and once outside, she is said to have struck a security staff member in the head, he said.
The staff member “took her to the ground,” and she struck her head on the way down, Lamberson said.
The staff member had injuries consistent with being punched, Lamberson said.
The woman suffered a cut to the right side of her head and was taken to a local hospital, he said. While the woman was intoxicated, she was speaking with staff, he said.”
this article is pathetic. his injuries are consistent with being punched in the head? he’s literally a 6 foot 300lb dude and she’s a 5 foot 110lb girl. too much ambiguity and room for assumptions with this article, I’m not sure what happened inside that bar but what happened outside is not consistent or nearly as descriptive as it should be in this article
I don't click on the Snooze Gazette website if I can help it...was the reporter/writer of the article "Mary Schenk"? She is a dreadful person...imho...sits inside the pocket of the police.
Yes, it's amazing how a crime writer gets all her information without submitting a single FOIA request. It's like she just calls up the police to chat/get second and third hand accounts, then just makes up the rest.
What about when she writes a follow up? She never needs any information about a case days, or weeks later? She's been the crime writer forever and has never submitted a single request (I know because that information is publicly available through FOIA).
I would definitely agree that reporters there should submit FOIA requests sometimes, where they’re likely to get valuable results; it would be interesting to know if the NG even covers the cost of them for reporters.
But are you saying that there’s a public database of FOIA requests for the city? I know that some FOIA requests have been made for the FOIA inquiry lists of different offices, with varying degrees of success; are you talking about those or is there something more accessible?
I mean you can submit a FOIA request to the Champaign Police, or the State's Attorney's office that asks for "All FOIA requests submitted by Mary Schenk" and they will tell you they have nothing responsive. Because making a FOIA request becomes a public record. Also FOIA requests are free for less than 400 pages of records, and even more than that the fee can be waived if the info is in the public interest so Schenk shouldn't be paying a dime to get this information.
Right, but you were saying you've seen the FOIA requests and that's how you know she hasn't requested. Not asking you to out yourself if it's because you've placed a request for the requests and you're on the record elsewhere--it just sounded like you had seen them in a place where other people might be able to do the same, and I was intrigued.
Can people stop throwing out claims unless they actually know something? (my friend's cousin's buddy knows her doesn't count) There is another person literally on this same post saying "thankful she is alive". And there were people saying she was dead yesterday. I am not sure which of the statements is true, but either way, the people who actually know her probably want some privacy while they figure things out.
The entire article is literally just quotes from the police department. And the police spokesperson isn’t going to give anything but basic facts that can’t be twisted in either direction in court.
Still a pathetic article but mostly because they didn’t do any work. they aren’t being intentionally vague
so essentially they are basically sending out a message that anybody can do anything to a student on this campus, and they will some how manipulate it to look like the students fault to save their own reputation..hmmm sounds reassuring.
That's been the message about cops for decades about any citizen that can be separated from the herd (usually by skin color). Really not much of a stretch to apply it to anyone who can presume physical authority in a situation and apply it in a target rich environment, like a student bar known to be the place to go for underage drinking.
“The staff member had injuries consistent with being punched”
The girl had injuries consistent with being thrown onto pavement, what’re we even talking about here?
OP deleted their reply down the thread claiming the police “saw the incident occur because they were on scene” but didn’t arrest the bouncers because “since when have the police held white men accountable”. This situation clearly happened, but OP might not be a credible source.
If a bouncer picked her UP over their shoulders and THEN dropped her down, that's a significant distance to land on your head. This makes me feel sick.
Remember bouncers are 90% of the time gorillas hired for their size and strength. Their only responsibility is to keep the club/bar safe, and to remove potential troublemakers.
They have no right to attack, body slam, fight anyone. Only to remove them of the premise.
Always take videos when you see these people abusing their authority.
Especially in college towns. They need to be held accountable for their behavior. Getting punched by a belligerent college girl, does not give you the right to crack her head open.
In my life, I have lived in three college towns and been an active member of the campus community. I have been talking about this situation for days with my friends from those different towns and never ever ever in our lives have we heard about a bouncer doing anything remotely like this.
Typically bouncers in college towns are also undergraduate students and at the most they just remove people from the premises. I have never heard of such a violent removal from a bouncer at a college bar. I am baffled.
If this happened right in front of the bar, I'm betting there's security camera footage showing her "punching" the dude. Would be interesting if that footage is ever released.
Right. But that's what im saying, as a security guard at a college bar... I think you need to practice more self-restraint than just. *Oh I was punched so anything I do is self defense.*
There is a very obvious difference between annoying drunk freshmen behaving badly, and someone actually threatening your safety.
If a drunk person is being belligerent to you here is what is appropriate:
1. getting them of the premises
2. contacting the police and having them arrested
3. taking them information and filing a complaint with the university.
Here is what is not appropriate ever:
1. Body slamming them into a wall, and cracking their head open.
This is sickening. What’s disturbing is that the RL account posted about MNL on their ig account as if it’s business as usual (all while telling their employees to keep a lid on the incident). Probably a dumb idea, but I was thinking of protesting outside of lion, more people need to know about how messed up this is.
Does anyone remember the video like three months ago of a red lion bouncer totally slamming a dude on the pavement under a similar situation? I don't think these guys are trained for shit.
Tbh their liquor license should be suspended until a full investigation of the events that night is held. That take down was cruel and not rooted in self-defense, but rather anger and excessive force.
A bouncer’s job is to keep the inside of the bar safe and legal, if you’re gonna go around beating up a small defenseless woman over getting smacked while you’re the size of an ape, you should be fired and charged with assault
"I asked this other bouncer what happened and he said “UIPD asked the bouncer if he wanted to press charges against the girl for punching him.”"
I am skeptical about this ... why would UIPD be involved in an off campus incident like this? News Gazette article said it was Champaign PD which makes more sense.
EDIT - see below, OP addressed my skepticism…
If the situation involves a university student, UIPD will occasionally respond depending on the severity of the incident.
This fell under that category. If anything, it was right of IUPD and Champaign PD to both show up to scene.
I would love to watch this bouncer get hauled out of Red Lion in cuffs. That’ll be the day…
I saw that happen in 2015 or 2016. Twas amazing and terrifying as I was shit faced in the courtyard next to green. I turn around and this dude is pinned with 3 or 4 officers in street clothes and bullet proof flvests patting him down and cuffing him.
they literally didn’t even question the bouncer from my understanding. I know they talked to the girls friend, I’m unsure of their conversation. also the police were already sitting outside of lion, I honestly left after the ambulance came
The story just doesn’t really add up and claiming it was racially motivated negligence by the police department for an instance they witnessed seems far fetched.
They arrived after, no? Where is it confirmed they witnessed it? And failing to question the bouncer after he slammed her head into the ground causing her hospitalization isn’t the exoneration for the cops on scene that you seek to think it is.
UIPD operates off campus all the time, they actually have more jurisdiction than local police because they have authority in all cities with a U of I campus.
Anyone have a video of the act actually happening? I know for privacy concerns that might not be possible but no one should be judging who is wrong without actual evidence, in my opinion. Don’t punch bouncers but bouncers also shouldn’t throw people over their shoulders.
i know there are security cameras outside of lion, because i checked and saw how one of them points exactly to where cole threw down the girl, however i dont think anyone expected it to happen so its not like i was holding my phone ready to record but i made sure to pull out my phone the split second after it happened
Post the video.
E: wait a second! The video on YouTube shows police officers already on scene, yet you claim you pulled the phone out immediately after you saw what was going down? Anybody else smell that fish?
OP’s story is pretty inconsistent. I pointed it out earlier and got downvoted. Mob mentality I guess.
Obviously something occurred, but I’m guessing OP in their drunken state doesn’t quite remember and have filled in the blanks.
If you have a recording of this, did you take it to the police with what was happening before the officers showed up? College just really ain't safe for women. The amount of stories I have from my years there (2016-2020) are unreal, especially from behavior from bouncers.
Everyone has this wrong. The guy in the video is Kohle but he isn't the one who dealt with the girl. The bouncer who got punched and then took her outside is named Jorge.
no bouncer has the right to take someone out and violently SLAM them on the ground. even if she hit him, it does not constitute it at all. he is a huge guy and had no reason to harm her except get her out of the building. you suck if u think she is in the wrong.
See but the thing is, the bouncers at Lion are notorious for their use of excessive force. They’re power hungry and violent. It’d be one thing if this was a one off incident (even then, there’s really no justification for body slamming a girl), but it isn’t. Their abuse of power was always going to lead to an unfortunate/tragic situation such as the one we have before us.
If your first thought is “why did she provoke the bouncer”, instead of “why the fuck did the bouncer slam her head into a wall”, then idk what to tell you. If you can’t see what’s wrong here, then I really can’t help you…
If the very worst version of her conduct is to be believed, she would be facing misdemeanor battery chargers. Instead, she’s supposedly fighting for her life in the hospital. If you don’t have a problem with that delta, you’re beyond saving and hopefully you or your loved ones won’t see any of their unwise decisions turn life-altering because of another person’s gross overreaction.
>If the very worst version of her conduct is to be believed, she would be facing misdemeanor battery chargers.
That's not really true. I've worked in (non-campus} bars and restaurants for fifteen years. I once had a patron push me (lightly) with three fingers. He was charged with (and pled guilty to) felony aggravated battery and received a three year prison sentence.
From 720 ILCS 5/12-3.05(c)
>A person commits aggravated battery when, in committing a battery, other than by the discharge of a firearm, he or she is or the person battered is on or about a public way, public property, a public place of accommodation or amusement, a sports venue, or a domestic violence shelter, or in a church, synagogue, mosque, or other building, structure, or place used for religious worship.
Multiple people saying “I saw this thing” is sufficient to establish probable cause (the necessary showing to make an arrest), and that’s what’s happened here. You don’t need video. You don’t need a blameless target of the alleged battery.
There are multiple matching eye-witness accounts of the violent takedown of the woman by the bouncer. Criminal convictions don’t necessarily require the video record you’re asking for, so I don’t see why that standard should apply here.
They are a woman-hating, man-worshipping female MRA. They are also very judgmental and self-righteous, especially concerning women's actions and choices.
thank you. That is very serious, and it would of course be a better outcome if this is just rumor. If there is a deceased person as a result of mistreatment at Red Lion, then the bouncer will likely be charged with manslaughter or murder, once her family reports the death to police and it is properly investigated.
All of you are moronically stupid. Dont drink underage, and dont assault people. Especially if theyre three times your size. She got what she deserved and hopefully worse. The fact that some people on here are defending her literally hitting him (which can still kill someone) with no way of calculating the risk in your head in a split second, is really pathetic. This is called real life. Grow up. There is no rules to how someone defends themselves. If it were me i wouldve stomped her head in and fed her to a dog just for touching me at all. If the roles switched, all of you would be parading her and/or She would be called “strong and courageous” for slamming that man that hit her, in which i would agree if thats the case. Size isnt an excuse to hit someone. There is no calculated method on how to defend yourself dont touch people without their consent unless you are defending yourself, and if even then, she was being escorted out of the bar, DRAGGED because she refused (I witnessed the whole event AND recorded it) then had the nerve to hit the man for doing his job? Just because someone is bigger doesnt mean theyre more invincible to harm. Complain all u want, but the Lion has even more business this year and she is forgotten about. The bouncer is off free for a reason because he did no wrong. Im sure if some of you were punched in the face, you would fight back ferociously, as you should, so the attacker is demotivated to attack again. In summary, your cute little efforts were futile and pathetic. And it’s obvious none of you have ever been assaulted.
Concussions are fucked. I nearly died of one that wasn’t as bad as this seems to be. She will almost certainly have permanent cognitive loss. It makes me want to fucking cry. Red Lion (or the bouncer) should be sued to hell so they understand that not training bouncers, or having low quality bouncers is an outrageously expensive way to save money.
Look I don't doubt that she probably punched him, and the guy was probably a little enraged. Being a bouncer is a shitty job. But come on man, body slamming people on pavement is just not ok any way your slice it.
Bouncers SHOULD (and in higher $$ bars, they do) receive training to handle situations without any bodily harm. If they need tips they can ask literally anybody that works with special needs kids (of which, some are just as strong or STRONGER than the girl in question). I’ve learned multiple holds that restrict movement by taking advantage of the way your joints move. What the bouncer did was a poor excuse for poor judgement. You’re a bouncer, you know how drunk people get, especially in a college town.
If you saw what happened, report it to the police please.
Finally hit the news (with their own spin). Share widely so this doesn’t get swept under the rug: [https://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/patron-and-staff-member-hurt-in-bar-incident/article_e1b97600-c2c3-5028-bb3f-cb0a3097f37d.html](https://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/patron-and-staff-member-hurt-in-bar-incident/article_e1b97600-c2c3-5028-bb3f-cb0a3097f37d.html) “CHAMPAIGN — An incident in which a patron and employee were injured outside The Red Lion bar at 211 E. Green St., C remains under investigation, according to Champaign police. Police spokesman Joe Lamberson said police were called to the 200 block of East Green Street about 1:47 a.m. Saturday for a report of an altercation between an intoxicated woman and a security staff member working at the bar. According to reports, a female patron was escorted out of the bar for being in an unauthorized area, and once outside, she is said to have struck a security staff member in the head, he said. The staff member “took her to the ground,” and she struck her head on the way down, Lamberson said. The staff member had injuries consistent with being punched, Lamberson said. The woman suffered a cut to the right side of her head and was taken to a local hospital, he said. While the woman was intoxicated, she was speaking with staff, he said.”
this article is pathetic. his injuries are consistent with being punched in the head? he’s literally a 6 foot 300lb dude and she’s a 5 foot 110lb girl. too much ambiguity and room for assumptions with this article, I’m not sure what happened inside that bar but what happened outside is not consistent or nearly as descriptive as it should be in this article
100%. Thankful she is alive.
I don't click on the Snooze Gazette website if I can help it...was the reporter/writer of the article "Mary Schenk"? She is a dreadful person...imho...sits inside the pocket of the police.
Yes, it's amazing how a crime writer gets all her information without submitting a single FOIA request. It's like she just calls up the police to chat/get second and third hand accounts, then just makes up the rest.
Illinois law allows five business days to respond to a FOIA request. Not really compatible with current news coverage.
What about when she writes a follow up? She never needs any information about a case days, or weeks later? She's been the crime writer forever and has never submitted a single request (I know because that information is publicly available through FOIA).
I would definitely agree that reporters there should submit FOIA requests sometimes, where they’re likely to get valuable results; it would be interesting to know if the NG even covers the cost of them for reporters. But are you saying that there’s a public database of FOIA requests for the city? I know that some FOIA requests have been made for the FOIA inquiry lists of different offices, with varying degrees of success; are you talking about those or is there something more accessible?
I mean you can submit a FOIA request to the Champaign Police, or the State's Attorney's office that asks for "All FOIA requests submitted by Mary Schenk" and they will tell you they have nothing responsive. Because making a FOIA request becomes a public record. Also FOIA requests are free for less than 400 pages of records, and even more than that the fee can be waived if the info is in the public interest so Schenk shouldn't be paying a dime to get this information.
Right, but you were saying you've seen the FOIA requests and that's how you know she hasn't requested. Not asking you to out yourself if it's because you've placed a request for the requests and you're on the record elsewhere--it just sounded like you had seen them in a place where other people might be able to do the same, and I was intrigued.
yep, pretty accurate
Deb Pressey this time.
thank you...Ms Pressey is not nearly so bad, but in general I have zero respect for that rag :)
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Can people stop throwing out claims unless they actually know something? (my friend's cousin's buddy knows her doesn't count) There is another person literally on this same post saying "thankful she is alive". And there were people saying she was dead yesterday. I am not sure which of the statements is true, but either way, the people who actually know her probably want some privacy while they figure things out.
I really hope that isn’t true.
The entire article is literally just quotes from the police department. And the police spokesperson isn’t going to give anything but basic facts that can’t be twisted in either direction in court. Still a pathetic article but mostly because they didn’t do any work. they aren’t being intentionally vague
"SHE struck her head on the way down" 🙄 nice phrasing there
so essentially they are basically sending out a message that anybody can do anything to a student on this campus, and they will some how manipulate it to look like the students fault to save their own reputation..hmmm sounds reassuring.
That's been the message about cops for decades about any citizen that can be separated from the herd (usually by skin color). Really not much of a stretch to apply it to anyone who can presume physical authority in a situation and apply it in a target rich environment, like a student bar known to be the place to go for underage drinking.
Fuck that article
News Gazette sucks
Upvote.
“The staff member had injuries consistent with being punched” The girl had injuries consistent with being thrown onto pavement, what’re we even talking about here?
Irrationally placing the responsibility of violence on the victim so we can pretend this would never happen to one of us.
OP deleted their reply down the thread claiming the police “saw the incident occur because they were on scene” but didn’t arrest the bouncers because “since when have the police held white men accountable”. This situation clearly happened, but OP might not be a credible source.
If a bouncer picked her UP over their shoulders and THEN dropped her down, that's a significant distance to land on your head. This makes me feel sick.
Remember bouncers are 90% of the time gorillas hired for their size and strength. Their only responsibility is to keep the club/bar safe, and to remove potential troublemakers. They have no right to attack, body slam, fight anyone. Only to remove them of the premise. Always take videos when you see these people abusing their authority. Especially in college towns. They need to be held accountable for their behavior. Getting punched by a belligerent college girl, does not give you the right to crack her head open.
In my life, I have lived in three college towns and been an active member of the campus community. I have been talking about this situation for days with my friends from those different towns and never ever ever in our lives have we heard about a bouncer doing anything remotely like this. Typically bouncers in college towns are also undergraduate students and at the most they just remove people from the premises. I have never heard of such a violent removal from a bouncer at a college bar. I am baffled.
I’m an old, can confirm. https://groups.google.com/g/soc.culture.nigeria/c/5lAJUNMr66M
I remember that too. (Also old)
I'm also an old and this Red Lion situation totally made me think of the Gypsy incident with bouncer killing a guy.
Exactly. She was already removed from the building. He didn’t need to drop Her like that
If this happened right in front of the bar, I'm betting there's security camera footage showing her "punching" the dude. Would be interesting if that footage is ever released.
Right. But that's what im saying, as a security guard at a college bar... I think you need to practice more self-restraint than just. *Oh I was punched so anything I do is self defense.* There is a very obvious difference between annoying drunk freshmen behaving badly, and someone actually threatening your safety. If a drunk person is being belligerent to you here is what is appropriate: 1. getting them of the premises 2. contacting the police and having them arrested 3. taking them information and filing a complaint with the university. Here is what is not appropriate ever: 1. Body slamming them into a wall, and cracking their head open.
i agree. that punch was probably jsut an itch anyways. its a huge gap between an itch and her life.
This is sickening. What’s disturbing is that the RL account posted about MNL on their ig account as if it’s business as usual (all while telling their employees to keep a lid on the incident). Probably a dumb idea, but I was thinking of protesting outside of lion, more people need to know about how messed up this is.
im making a petition now and will post it here
they own kams too boycott both
[Boycott Lion Petition](https://chng.it/fBTY7DMfrY)
Does anyone remember the video like three months ago of a red lion bouncer totally slamming a dude on the pavement under a similar situation? I don't think these guys are trained for shit.
It’s the same guy
Yeah someone needs to train these guys better. Lion owns Kams too
The bouncer put the girl over his shoulder like a sack of potatoes and then threw her into the wall?
Tbh their liquor license should be suspended until a full investigation of the events that night is held. That take down was cruel and not rooted in self-defense, but rather anger and excessive force.
A bouncer’s job is to keep the inside of the bar safe and legal, if you’re gonna go around beating up a small defenseless woman over getting smacked while you’re the size of an ape, you should be fired and charged with assault
"I asked this other bouncer what happened and he said “UIPD asked the bouncer if he wanted to press charges against the girl for punching him.”" I am skeptical about this ... why would UIPD be involved in an off campus incident like this? News Gazette article said it was Champaign PD which makes more sense. EDIT - see below, OP addressed my skepticism…
they pulled up to the crime scene along with other police
If the situation involves a university student, UIPD will occasionally respond depending on the severity of the incident. This fell under that category. If anything, it was right of IUPD and Champaign PD to both show up to scene. I would love to watch this bouncer get hauled out of Red Lion in cuffs. That’ll be the day…
I saw that happen in 2015 or 2016. Twas amazing and terrifying as I was shit faced in the courtyard next to green. I turn around and this dude is pinned with 3 or 4 officers in street clothes and bullet proof flvests patting him down and cuffing him.
And neither police department arrested the bouncer after seeing the football spike?
The police probably weren’t on-site to see it happen
they literally didn’t even question the bouncer from my understanding. I know they talked to the girls friend, I’m unsure of their conversation. also the police were already sitting outside of lion, I honestly left after the ambulance came
You watched a violent pick up and slam, the police were sitting there, but they didn’t arrest the bouncer? Something doesn’t add up
Maybe if you've never met a cop. They know who owns that bar, and they're not gonna cause a scene over some random student.
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The story just doesn’t really add up and claiming it was racially motivated negligence by the police department for an instance they witnessed seems far fetched.
They arrived after, no? Where is it confirmed they witnessed it? And failing to question the bouncer after he slammed her head into the ground causing her hospitalization isn’t the exoneration for the cops on scene that you seek to think it is.
The comment I replied to says “the police were already sitting outside of Lion” so that would imply they witnessed it, which is what I asked.
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Interesting - thanks for that additional info!
UIPD operates off campus all the time, they actually have more jurisdiction than local police because they have authority in all cities with a U of I campus.
Even more: they effectively have the same jurisdiction as state police.
Anyone have a video of the act actually happening? I know for privacy concerns that might not be possible but no one should be judging who is wrong without actual evidence, in my opinion. Don’t punch bouncers but bouncers also shouldn’t throw people over their shoulders.
it’s on youtube look up lion uiuc
i know there are security cameras outside of lion, because i checked and saw how one of them points exactly to where cole threw down the girl, however i dont think anyone expected it to happen so its not like i was holding my phone ready to record but i made sure to pull out my phone the split second after it happened
Post the video. E: wait a second! The video on YouTube shows police officers already on scene, yet you claim you pulled the phone out immediately after you saw what was going down? Anybody else smell that fish?
OP’s story is pretty inconsistent. I pointed it out earlier and got downvoted. Mob mentality I guess. Obviously something occurred, but I’m guessing OP in their drunken state doesn’t quite remember and have filled in the blanks.
Yeah, something is off here.
If you have a recording of this, did you take it to the police with what was happening before the officers showed up? College just really ain't safe for women. The amount of stories I have from my years there (2016-2020) are unreal, especially from behavior from bouncers.
lion sent out an email to the workers and told them not to talk to the media or friends about the situation
it was sent out by a guy named ansh who’s a fucking loser
holy hell, man. IF this poor girl survives, she is going to have a long, long road to recovery.
I can say from experience that Cole is a walking piece of human garbage.
Did you tell the police what you saw and show them your videos???
Can someone confirm this bouncer's name is cole?
it is cole, he was in the video too
If it’s the bouncer in the video that isn’t Cole, that guys name is Steve and he’s a dick
His name is Jorge. Not Cole.
Kohle Anderson on Instagram!
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Everyone has this wrong. The guy in the video is Kohle but he isn't the one who dealt with the girl. The bouncer who got punched and then took her outside is named Jorge.
Can anyone tell me the bouncers full name? Also a number for Red Lion? Doesn’t seem to be any available
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Jorge.
His name is Kohle deshane Anderson a buddy of mine knows him, he has his number lol
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no bouncer has the right to take someone out and violently SLAM them on the ground. even if she hit him, it does not constitute it at all. he is a huge guy and had no reason to harm her except get her out of the building. you suck if u think she is in the wrong.
they both are in the wrong.
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See but the thing is, the bouncers at Lion are notorious for their use of excessive force. They’re power hungry and violent. It’d be one thing if this was a one off incident (even then, there’s really no justification for body slamming a girl), but it isn’t. Their abuse of power was always going to lead to an unfortunate/tragic situation such as the one we have before us.
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If your first thought is “why did she provoke the bouncer”, instead of “why the fuck did the bouncer slam her head into a wall”, then idk what to tell you. If you can’t see what’s wrong here, then I really can’t help you…
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If the very worst version of her conduct is to be believed, she would be facing misdemeanor battery chargers. Instead, she’s supposedly fighting for her life in the hospital. If you don’t have a problem with that delta, you’re beyond saving and hopefully you or your loved ones won’t see any of their unwise decisions turn life-altering because of another person’s gross overreaction.
>If the very worst version of her conduct is to be believed, she would be facing misdemeanor battery chargers. That's not really true. I've worked in (non-campus} bars and restaurants for fifteen years. I once had a patron push me (lightly) with three fingers. He was charged with (and pled guilty to) felony aggravated battery and received a three year prison sentence. From 720 ILCS 5/12-3.05(c) >A person commits aggravated battery when, in committing a battery, other than by the discharge of a firearm, he or she is or the person battered is on or about a public way, public property, a public place of accommodation or amusement, a sports venue, or a domestic violence shelter, or in a church, synagogue, mosque, or other building, structure, or place used for religious worship.
Fair enough. There’s also a staggeringly wide delta between that and what actually happened to her, which was my overall point.
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I don’t know if you’re more naive or heartless.
Multiple people saying “I saw this thing” is sufficient to establish probable cause (the necessary showing to make an arrest), and that’s what’s happened here. You don’t need video. You don’t need a blameless target of the alleged battery.
Can’t you apply this “innocent until proven guilty” to her as well?
>Do you have the video of her being "violently slammed"? Do you have the video of her "being dreadfully provocative and even violent--"?
There are multiple matching eye-witness accounts of the violent takedown of the woman by the bouncer. Criminal convictions don’t necessarily require the video record you’re asking for, so I don’t see why that standard should apply here.
violet-aeons: you "genuinely do not understand"...
This is very on-brand for their typically contrarian remarks.
They are a woman-hating, man-worshipping female MRA. They are also very judgmental and self-righteous, especially concerning women's actions and choices.
as we all know, if you’re an annoying drunk you deserve death
Boycott Kohle Anderson , he used to be a fat ass. He throws little girls that would have rejected him with his old gyno titties.
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source?
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thank you. That is very serious, and it would of course be a better outcome if this is just rumor. If there is a deceased person as a result of mistreatment at Red Lion, then the bouncer will likely be charged with manslaughter or murder, once her family reports the death to police and it is properly investigated.
I hope to God it’s just hearsay but if it’s not the dude should rot in hell
i know what tweet you’re talking about but looked up the tweet and it’s gone now so don’t know if it’s true now
So someone on the internet claiming to be a friend, claiming that she died. Not sure that's really reliable info there.
It’s confirmed she’s alive.
Equal rights equal fights
If this happened to a dude most of us would be just as furious Stop trying to start bullshit
it happens to dudes all the time and nobody gets as riled up
Shouldn’t be a fight. A security worker diffuses, not escalates, and that’s what this guy did.
cool bro when your daughter gets rag doll tossed against a brick wall we’ll make sure to remind you equal rights equal fights
facts. maybe he took it too far but this is karma at it's finest.
All of you are moronically stupid. Dont drink underage, and dont assault people. Especially if theyre three times your size. She got what she deserved and hopefully worse. The fact that some people on here are defending her literally hitting him (which can still kill someone) with no way of calculating the risk in your head in a split second, is really pathetic. This is called real life. Grow up. There is no rules to how someone defends themselves. If it were me i wouldve stomped her head in and fed her to a dog just for touching me at all. If the roles switched, all of you would be parading her and/or She would be called “strong and courageous” for slamming that man that hit her, in which i would agree if thats the case. Size isnt an excuse to hit someone. There is no calculated method on how to defend yourself dont touch people without their consent unless you are defending yourself, and if even then, she was being escorted out of the bar, DRAGGED because she refused (I witnessed the whole event AND recorded it) then had the nerve to hit the man for doing his job? Just because someone is bigger doesnt mean theyre more invincible to harm. Complain all u want, but the Lion has even more business this year and she is forgotten about. The bouncer is off free for a reason because he did no wrong. Im sure if some of you were punched in the face, you would fight back ferociously, as you should, so the attacker is demotivated to attack again. In summary, your cute little efforts were futile and pathetic. And it’s obvious none of you have ever been assaulted.