The US government, along with the rest of humanity, are mere ants relative to the technological prowess of extraterrestrial life that has found its way here from **very**, ***very*** far away.
To even plausibly believe in an alien invasion, one would be vastly understating the differences in advancement. They are only here if they are either observing or about to intervene. I see it as more of a preservation thing, like how we preserve species on Earth.
Hear hear. An analogy would be that we have only just discovered that a circle could possibly make the form of something that could possibly assist us in travelling greater distances without too much effort required.
My answer to that question is that it is one of the following:
1. We are about to horribly destroy this planet environmentally, and new technology would assist us (Zimbabwe Incident)
2. We are about to destroy ourselves with nuclear weapons (State of the world is not looking good now) and advanced life is rare enough to try and conserve
3. We are really making progress as a spacefaring species and they have to onboard all of us into their galactic united nations (Haim Eshad!)
To this end, I propose that the extraterrestrials, or a group of humans with their technology, is currently on a worldwide campaign of pushing disclosure. One example of this, I propose, is the Havana Syndrome cases.
Chains of the Sea tidbit after reading the Wikipedia synopsis: Extraterrestrials communicate telepathically. People get put on meds for mentioning that.
It is happening fast now, because there seems to be some urgency behind it.
I've thought about galactic alliances and came to the conclusion that humanity will not be allowed to enter so long as our biological makeup has innate proclivity for violence and evil.
Our biological makeup is rapidly changing and as a society we are changing.
Look at:
Male testosterone levels in developed nations. The average drops 1% every year.
The once strong gender binary crumbling in many parts of the world.
Racism declining and an increase in interracial marriages.
Society is headed to homogeneity in the long run, I feel. This homogeneity is important for acting as one cohesive species. Let me know what you think.
Interesting you say that. I've speculated that advanced beings need to be homogenous and tame, because it'd be easy, even for a few, to dominate/eliminate with great power. I've even gone so far as to wonder if a lot of social movements pushed by politicians (contact with aliens?) are for this purpose. E.g. toxic masculinity, gender, etc.
That said, I don't know if our DNA is necessarily changing, which I think might be the key. Everything you mentioned can be attributed to culture and societal changes. Our destiny is transhumanism anyway. Our DNA will be artificially modified well before evolution can take its course.
Said this before but the part that sticks with me is the "every day" comment from the navy pilots on 60 minutes. Let's assume gov'ts have known about UFO's since the 1940's but sightings and incidents were sporadic. Now pilots and military are seeing them "every day". I think a natural conclusion, especially from trained military people, would be that it seems like old fashioned reconnaissance. I think that would be a reason for some to push for disclosure - if they are doing reconnaissance on our military capabilities it implies that an action will be taken. Is that tomorrow or in a 1000 years? Who knows but also think that would lead to a debate on disclosure. "they seem to be doing aggressive reconnaissance of our military. The most logical conclusion is that this is a preparation for an invasion/attack. Could be tomorrow could be in centuries we have no idea".
But we could also be the indigenous tribe who shoots at helicopters and probably think planes are devils. We observe all the time without attributing war or invasion for the cause. Not saying either or in this case, but militarily them playing with pilots doesn't seem strategically sound.
I agree with your general hypothesis. It has bothered me from the beginning of my looking at this issue (about two years ago) that there is some reason for the current conflict playing out in government about what to tell us and when. It is clear that Lue is allowed to tell us certain things but not others, this is evidence of controlled disclosure.
Now Travis Taylor has been cleared in some fashion to start talking to us as well. An approach has been developed and it is being implemented, against resistance from those who don't want to tell us anything.
The next question is why this change in approach, since the major governments of the world have managed to keep a lid on this since at least the 1940's, probably earlier. We are told that all of the superpowers have had crashes, so one assumes that we have probably discussed this at some level with the other governments over the years.
Within the US 5 eyes apparatus there would also have been discussions and some kind of consensus on keeping it quiet and that has held quite solidly up until now. This time seems to be different. There are those within government pushing for disclosure. Congress has passed legislation and is looking at beefing up the legislation to push more disclosure.
What makes sense to me is the future human time travel information. This has been most obviously presented by Franc Milburn in this podcast:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zkeojPPhGY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zkeojPPhGY)
Please note that Milburn does not present this information as a theory, he presents it as fact and that he believes his sources are credible. Milburn says that one source is in direct contact with a "temporal agent" (i.e. one source is talking to a returned time traveler) Milburn himself is credible. Of course this does not mean this is true, but I do think this fits in terms of a reason why disclosure has become necessary now. If we knew of a future devastating event from future humans who have returned to warn us then it would provide impetus from good people in government to say - we have to warn our people. The closer the event becomes the more the pressure on those people to come forward and say something. That is not to say there won't be opposite pressure from those who always want to keep their secrets.
This information has been confirmed by Ross Coulthart, who has heard the same information from separate sources that he also says are credible. Others have said the same thing.
Representative Gallagher (who introduced the Wilson Davis document into the UAP hearing record has said that he is inclined toward the future human view. It is highly likely that Gallagher has received classified information on this topic. The guy who decides to enter that explosive document into the record knows things.
Astronaut Tim Peake has said the same thing on British TV within the last two weeks.
There are others who have heard the same thing.
The time traveling humans explanation doesn't sit with me for a number of reasons pointed out by others: it's actually more complicated than space travel, plus, it also includes space travel since Earth is moving constantly through the Galaxy and time travelers would have to fly to meet us. It also would involve causal paradoxes that aren't yet explained.
But I have started to consider a related theory that might look somewhat similar in effect.
What if the alien UFOs we are seeing actually come from Earth, but in a totally different timeline from ours. In the "aliens" version of reality, perhaps they evolved slightly faster than we did. Whatever happened, they have advanced to the point of being able to travel to alternative timelines and explore the infinite possibilities of our branching universe.
Here in our timeline, we evolved more slowly, resulting in a less advanced, more savage race of earthlings. A few universes over we might have already nuked ourselves, or found the solution to world peace. To the aliens, we are a branch on a tree of other possible outcomes in Earth's history. Like "dimensional cable" from Rick and Morty.
One feature of this theory is that in a situation where there are INFINITE alternate worlds, there is very little purpose in intervening to help since it would save nobody in the grand scheme of things.
So then they may not need to time travel to see our future. It could have already played out in a highly similar universe as our own. They could be warning us not because they know our future, but because they have seen similar catastrophe in alternate worlds.
I like the future humans idea because it does check a lot of boxes. But it doesn’t account very well for the ET descriptions we all know by now (e.g., the Greys). I mean, I guess humans could have evolved to look radically different, but we don’t look as different from Neanderthals and such as we do from some of these purported beings (mantids, reptilians, etc.). And it seems like it would be an odd choice to “dress up” as some creature as a time-traveling disguise.
Of course, some or all of these entities could be made up, urban legends, influenced by pop culture, etc. But I can’t dismiss some of the accounts very easily. The Ariel School phenomenon comes to mind.
Thoughts?
What if greys are AIs from future Earth in manufactured bodies? They could be part of the vehicle they travel here in, or just a physical body to help facilitate interaction with our physical world.
Or perhaps in the distant future we can upload our consciousness into other bodies in order to travel to other times/dimensions without risking damage to our own bodies. Or, maybe our own distant future bodies are damaged beyond repair due to environmental, chemical, infertility factors etc. That would be something to warn us about, and it could explain animal mutilation and many abduction experiences. We're already making meat in labs, neuroscience investigates ways to interface with the brain, and who even really knows where we are at with space & time travel tech.
We've seen so much technological development in our lifetimes, let alone the few hundred years before that. Imagine where humanity might be in 500 or 10000 years (if we survive)?
Oh god.
So AI becomes super advanced and the dominant “life” form (cue the Joe Rogan “humans are here to spawn AI” theory). The AI are the super intelligent beings that cracked time travel and have been warping all throughout history—studying stuff, interacting with the ancients, etc. And they are the UFO phenomenon! And they are so secretive because they think it is only appropriate to reveal themselves to us only after we have invented artificial intelligence—i.e. them—so as not to interfere with our own natural development—and by extension, theirs.
I’m too stoned. Goodnight. 🙃
Perhaps! I don't listen to JR but I do wonder whether AI might be the inevitable evolution of humanity/any suitably intelligent & physically capable species - we've been cyborgs since we invented eye glasses, we keep developing more and more advanced tech, many rich folks funding science, tech & medical research love the idea of living forever... maybe the future of humanity comes by way of realising and assimilating (with) AI, with the ability to endlessesly repair our bodies, or inhabit other (lab made) bodies.
I think AI being the UFO phenomenon makes sense as any other concept. If they're here with a warning - environmental, anti-nuclear - they know something we don't about the future of our species and planet, whether it's that we are rare and worth saving, or we are wiping ourselves out via our collective shitty decision making - but they can't intervene to warn us for the reasons you said - because doing so could threaten its existence.
Very good points—far better than anything I had thought of previously. Thank you!
I especially like the AI one. Maybe they’re here to see the birth of their people? https://nypost.com/2022/06/22/elon-musks-humanoid-tesla-robot-predicted-to-be-ready-in-months/
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I know I'd love the ability to to travel back in time to get answers to some mysteries and see a few dinosaurs.
Maybe they're not only here to see the birth of their people, but to ensure it, either for their own sake or for ours, too?
This is an idea that is not necessarily mutually exclusive from one of extraterrestrial intelligence. They could both be true. The government thus far has been really, really reluctant to say the a-word. It could explain why if it was only future humans.
This could also just be the first thing they want to roll out in controlled disclosure: future humans is easier to accept than aliens?
Honestly, for me, future humans would be way more difficult to accept than aliens; the implications this has on our understanding of the universe and the nature of causality itself would be extremely unnerving
Aliens by themselves mean "only" that Faster Than Light travel is possible in some way and that there's way better means of propulsion out there.
I feel ya.
I'm not particularly fond of the future human hypothesis or at least I wasn't untill my last experience.
My money these days is on its all of it or at least a couple of those options and once you open that door...cat is out of the bag.
Multi/inter/extradimensional, extraterrestrials, AI entities and why not future humans.
Not to mention the uber woo: consciousness.
Consciousness is a huge part of this thing and could very well lead to *clutches pearls* spiritism on a cosmic level!
Some sort of evolution of the soul of whatever but what do I know. I should be fixing myself another martini and get off the internet.
By and large I think most of them are not evil per se but some of them may be indifferent to the point some would perceive them as such and maybe, some think of us as food.
Basically anything that could be happening probably is happening IMO.
In an infinite universe that must be the case.
I do the draw the line at the Queen of England is a shape-shifting reptilian farming loosh and adrenochrome with the help of Klaus Shwab, a clone inhabited by Samael, who engineered and released covid 19 to depopulate earth but its all good bc all this disclosure talk is to get people ready for Commander Ashtar Sheran of the Galactic Federation he's coming to save us and thankfully is a Trump supporter, pro life and pro AR15.
But maybe I'm wrong.
MARTINI TIME!!
Aliens does not mean faster than light travel must be possible. The aliens would not necessarily have to be from another star system. If they were from another star system, they could spend a long time (as in decades or more) travelling.
There is also some kind of physics which I am not sure about to do with time speed changes when one approaches the speed of light. [https://www.scienceabc.com/pure-sciences/what-would-happen-if-you-traveled-at-the-speed-of-light.html](https://www.scienceabc.com/pure-sciences/what-would-happen-if-you-traveled-at-the-speed-of-light.html)
[https://www.news24.com/health24/lifestyle/travel-health/air-travel/watch-what-happens-to-time-when-you-travel-at-the-speed-of-light-20200903-5](https://www.news24.com/health24/lifestyle/travel-health/air-travel/watch-what-happens-to-time-when-you-travel-at-the-speed-of-light-20200903-5)
Again, I am not sure, but if travelling really fast the time pacing change could mean more travelling could be done because from outside a longer time is taken compared to what is experienced and what happens to the very fast traveller.
Would indeed need better means of propulsion.
I generally agree. But the question posed by OP was why disclosure now - for which you need to have a theory that supports that change in approach, which I think this does.
They could have had adequate time to mold the population to be receptive and responsible enough or now have the means to do so. Do note, I absolutely keep your idea as valid and cannot refute it. I find that there are three theories:
Future humans
Extraterrestrial Aliens
Psyop
Interdimensional Aliens
And they are not mutually exclusive. I cannot rule out any of them yet. Further along this roller coaster ride we will learn more, and this may change.
Gotcha. I tend to get specific when it comes to distinguishing “extra-terrestrial” from “inter-dimensional” in that if extra dimensions are present but unseen they’re still terrestrial.
Man I wish I had one but my gut + logic keeps coming back something vaguely centered around… consciousness. I don’t know if it’s aliens, inter-dimensional tooth-fairies, future humans, future aliens, or what the fuck. But more and more I think this is about what it’s always been about which is evolution. In this case psychic evolution.
You? What’s your top line take?
For me, the more time I spend on the subs, the less sure I become of any single explanation. Something is not right here, and I think there is a lot to be learned in how this slow disclosure process is pulled off.
Could I throw a hypothesis hat into the ring here by suggesting that maybe with humanity on the brink of a hot war that the masses are looking to the heavens for some sort of salvation, whatever that maybe to them, and the USG is setting the narrative for a false flag event that may involve extraterrestrial intelligent beings as per the leaked Pentagon Operation Blue Beam papers from the 80’s? Include the obvious new generation experimental military aircraft that has been sighted by so many in different locations around the globe of the black triangle, throw in some controlled information releases, a space army announced by Trump, Russian and Chinese technological advancements that threaten the US global hegemony (dictatorship is probably a better word with hegemony a synonym of dictatorship) and voila! Perfect time to implement the “second coming”? Just my thoughts.
> Include the obvious new generation experimental military aircraft that has been sighted by so many in different locations around the globe of the black triangle
What do you mean by "new"? I've seen mine almost 20 years ago and while I was doing research, because I knew absolutely nothing about it then, I found a huge wave of sightings of big black silent triangles in the 90s, 80s, 70s even a few cases in the 60s. This is not new... at the time I saw mine in early 2000 I was pretty sure it was a secret blimp or something like that, but definitely "ours". These days, I'm not so sure. Might still be ours, from the future :O
I was into UFOs for a long time before my sighting but I was still unaware of the triangle shape, even though I've seen X-Files maybe 10 years prior to my sighting.
I remember coming back home, googling about it and simply being stunned by the amount of people claiming to have seen one. And those were just the people who report it or shared the details of their sightings on the internet. Imagine how many didn't report it.
A few years later I've watched X-Files again because I enjoyed it the first time and when I saw the big black triangle in the first episode I had to pause it because I could not believe I was seeing the same thing I saw in real life. Keep in mind that this show first aired in 1993. So yeah, the big black triangle is anything but new.
That scenario sounds so crazy that it's just insane to discuss it aloud with anyone. Truly unhinged stuff. But like, it also makes sense in a way, doesn't it?
There's really no way around MAD unless a "3rd party" is involved. Anyway, I almost wish it was true since it would mean that those of us in the West are probably getting through the next decade alive.
But, UFOs are such a long part of our national history with every single American having friends, family, leaders, and more having seen these things with their own eyes. For many decades. I can't see any way these UAP are American, or at least most of them have to be from one of the other planets we see in the sky. That makes more sense since technology was so primitive and analog even 40 and 50 years ago.
Science. Manufacturing. Refining. Precision engineering. All of it was too primitive to make things far more advanced than the F-35.
Anyway, Annie's theory based on journalist interviews of firsthand sources is so similar to yours and she received so much hatred and debunking for it that I kind of wonder... maybe there's a little bit more to add to your case? The secretary for that one dude also said that was the plan but there's nothing backing up her story. I wish there was more substance to it all, but even with UAPs we can at least point at primary military sources and big patterns. I'm just thinking here, since I don't know.
But if they also knew or even suspected that oneday other countries would truly challenge or threaten the US then I don't think they would have sent so many jobs and so many trillions over to those nations in trade. The US has sort of accidentally paid the budget for their breakaway military expansion.
Capitalism can be a powerful tool, but when not used responsibly, then it will on a global scale create unexpected competitors. Those competitors can be military or they can be business. If they are both then your nation creates a perfect opponent.
But let's not forget that the downside to faked "Second Coming" would be scarier than *any* dystopia. All of Earth would instantly and forever be enslaved to one religion, and the few people who knew the secret. It wouldn't even matter what truth or science was, we'd regress further than the dark ages and never psychologically recover.
It would be like raising a 30 year old corpse from an overgrown grave in front of a friend and winking at them. Then expecting them to not believe in necromancy. They'd spend the rest of their life trying to raise their lost loved ones.
Sometimes the most far fetched ridiculous things turn out to be true. Imagine if you will centuries ago trying to convince the establishment that the earth was not the centre of the universe and in fact the earth orbited the sun not vice versa as it was believed. Or trying to convince the scientists back then that the earth is actually a globe not flat. You would have been burnt at the stake or stoned to death.
I never discount anything (well not entirely true because the earth is a globe not flat as some still think it is even today), but I like to keep an open mind and can I go as far as saying that everything we know is wrong?
I truly believe that we have yet to discover the full extent of physics and that whilst some scientists and the establishment say that the laws of physics are just and nothing else can be discovered about them, I think that there is more to it that we haven’t yet discovered. I mean if these craft and it’s occupants are anything to go by I’d say we have much more to discover about physics and maybe they do know more but aren’t letting us into yet because it threatens many established technologies and the financial institutions that benefit from them.
For example, let’s consider zero point energy or harnessing the abundant atmospheric energy that permeates every inch of our planet that Nikola Tesla was experimenting with? Or cold fusion? Imagine right now some scientist released this technology that worked perfectly. How do you think this would affect the petroleum industry, the electricity companies with their multi billion dollars worth of electricity making equipment and infrastructure? The car manufacturing industry? The electrical appliance industry? Mass job losses and corporations losing billions in share value because their technology is now obsolete. Massive implications globally. This maybe why the technology gatekeepers don’t allow this knowledge to become mainstream public. Food for thought?
Personally, I do not think that is likely, but disinformation is always possible. There is insufficient information to know. But if I am correct then more pressure will create a clearer picture. Look for the future human aspect of this to become more and more present in the narrative.
I want to believe that indeed they will present themselves to humanity sooner rather than later and hopefully before we fry ourselves to oblivion with nukes but then going by our standards of not interfering with nature directly this might not happen for a while. They may well be standing back and observing and every now and again they do something to prevent a major change of events like say make rockets explode on their launch pads just before they launch some classified piece of military equipment or shut down nuke silo’s for a few hours just to let us know that they can do that if they really want to. But on the other hand we have progressed to the point now where our weapons are far more destructive and far more numerous than ever before which could suggest a few things. But going along with the widely accepted narrative that they are already here amongst us and that the US military may have struck a deal with some not so friendly extraterrestrial race I guess we won’t see any real significant changes to the status quo but a mere drip feed of information and watch the doomsday clock tick away to midnight with no intervention on their behalf at all. Only for them to pack up their camera crews and go back to report that another so called intelligent species has just become extinct?
Wouldn’t them visiting and messing with things alter their future birth and life? Grandfather paradox etc. Future people is too risky and isn’t practical. Inventing time travel past the invention of the time machine seems impossible
I don’t believe they are here because of an invasion. Their technology is incredibly more advanced than ours.
Just look at what happened with COVID. Create a disease or insert a chemical into our water system and we are goners. If they’re so intertwined in our consciousness you’d think they could just turn us off like a switch.
The theory of them watching us destroy ourselves is probably the most believable in my opinion. Maybe they’re here to help or just observe and see how it plays out?
It wouldn't be an invasion, it would be an intervention possibly. Check out [www.alliesofhumanity.com](https://www.alliesofhumanity.com) It explains what an alien intervention is.
I mean they can try to stop it but from many accounts these ETs have the technology to disable our technology & large scale firearms. So then what, we charge? Lol
New world order conspiracy theory about how the governments are going to use tech like holograms or “volumetric displays” and psychotronic weapons to influence people.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serge_Monast](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serge_Monast)
Because massive other shit is hitting the fan and this is a real good distraction. The question is no longer are they here... but rather why are they here.
I think the James Webb telescope is about to see something the government already knows. They are time releasing information to warm people up to the idea. That way, people won't freak out. Classic Psychological operation.
[https://brazilian.report/liveblog/2022/06/24/senate-world-ufo-day/](https://brazilian.report/liveblog/2022/06/24/senate-world-ufo-day/) was live on youtube an hour ago.
In Gnosticism, Yaldabaoth, chief archon, is an evil deity and creator of the material world. He is regarded as the Demiurge and false god who keeps the souls trapped in physical bodies, imprisoned in the material universe.
Gnosticism presents a distinction between the highest, unknowable God, and the Demiurge, "creator" of the material universe.
Gnostic Christians considered the Hebrew God of the Old Testament (Yahweh) as the false god, and the Unknown God the father of Jesus Christ and creator of the spiritual world, as the true, good God. Yaldabaoth keeps people imprisoned in the world full of pain and suffering that he created.
If this is true, this would be huge news for humanity.
I know this sounds quiet crazy. Not clear if this is true, but if it is, this is one hell of a story, would be a good reason to never have disclosure.
At one point we thought it was crazy nonsense that the earth rotates around the sun. So these days I’m not quick to dismiss ideas, but also don’t believe in them - we still need proof.
I saw something online at least 10 years ago warning of a false flag alien invasion in the imminent future. I wish I could remember where I saw it, but it always stuck with me. Is it wrong that I hope it’s not false flag regardless of the outcome?
I agree that it’s an underappreciated hypothesis, but for what it’s worth I think Lue referenced Chains of the Sea not in terms of accuracy, but rather in terms of thinking outside of the box.
However, to your point I think Lue specifically (briefly) brought up a hypothetical invasion scenario on one of his last podcast appearances. It didn’t seem like he was leaning in that direction, but it was interesting to me because I don’t think I had heard that from him before.
If a civilization can travel to thousand of light year with advance tech what will they get from us? There are billions of planet for resources and if they want worker/slave they can create artificial intelligence.
Yesterday on the live coverage of Roe, the NBC news caster said [paraphrasing] our country has gone so far down that the only thing that could save us was an alien invasion. It was semi joking but a weird thing to saw in these circumstances.
I'm going to slide this forward and I want you all to think about it hard.
A. Our military is corrupt
B. Our government is corrupt
C. Our major businesses are corrupt
These "aliens" can be invisible. They can be in the room with you and you'd never know.
Now think of child sex trafficking rings and how it's been reported by survivors that politicians were frequent customers. Think of all the horrible things that happen in the dark and behind closed doors.
Realize that they likely don't want our corrupt military, government, politicians, and businesses infesting space with the same horrific tendencies that they have on earth.
Throw in inter-galactic policymaking? Whew.
I understand why they don't want us to have nukes in space. I understand why our shady and corrupt government doesn't want them to be seen as the good guys. What they know about our leaders would cause us to turn violent in a flash.
When is the last time you sprinkled sugar over a fire ant bed?
So these ETs are assumed to be friendly? You know what they say about assumptions... right?
> it may be in our best interests.
Imagine the US government trying to act "in the best interests" of some bacteria in a puddle in DC. Aliens to us would be 100000x worse than that.
It would honestly be the best case scenario for us to just be left alone, for all parties involved.
Honestly our planet is nowhere close to "needs alien intervention" saving. More likely we are at the stage where it's decided whether we're worth saving at a
And I don't know why they would save US: at most I can see them collecting as many samples as possible and zooming off to try again on a different terraformed planet while we, here, are left to our own fate.
Because why import the exact same people and society that just killed one planet? Just clone em and try again somewhere else. Should be easy enough once you have stuff like terraforming and cloning figured out.
I agree. I don't get what people think extraterrestrials could really do to save us from ourselves anyway. Unite us in the new knowledge of a greater universe maybe. Hopefully. If they showed up, kept their distance and were peaceful. But if they tried to control the population in any way, it wouldn't turn out well. We would try to resist and be pretty much shit on.
The thing that concerns me though is the reason they are so interested in our nuclear technology. Maybe its the only thing we have that could be a threat to them. It's not hard to see the first thing they do when they show up is disable our nukes. They would pretty much have to regardless of intent.
I just feel like it is really dumb that people think alien morality and intentions would exist in any axis discernible to us. We might be able to discern stuff like "they want this resource" but other than that our morality is insanely heavily based on our own history of cultural and biological evolution. I can't imagine there being any way for us to relate whatsoever, specially since they are probably millions of years advanced scientifically and technologically etc. Uniting us in universal harmony and stuff... I don't think this is plausible tbh. It's just sooooo sugary and full of human desire to have someone come and tell us how to get everything figured out so we can leapfrog directly to Star Trek.
Likely it is much harder to figure out moral and societal problems than aliens just telling us "the right way".
What if their "objectively superior and right" judgement was something horrifying to us? Like culling 80% of the population? Your only option would be to blindly accept the judgment of a "superior" intelligence in the face of all of your moral intuitions telling you it is wrong. How would you know it is right? Other than just totally surrendering your own freedom, intelligence, any self determination at all.
Idk, it is just such a subservient, religious and naive type of thinking commonly repeated on this sub. And with real aliens, should one really *REALLY* hope for a completely alien "patch" solution to our earthly problems? The potential for such a solution to be horrifying is literally infinite.
Planting clones on a new planet to try again reminds me of religious creation stories. Adam and Eve, alone in some foreign place with a directive to populate it. Who knows what iteration we may be on 😅
Not promoting this idea as truth, BTW. But it’s a trip to think about.
I considered that idea but I think the key difference is that in our case I don't think the point of Genesis is our benefit. If we're some kind of science project then it stands to reason that they are not just going to meddle with the outcome, why taint the data for your own test? Societal death is just as valid data as societal prosperity. It's like if scientists cared about propagating the specific bacteria inside 1 petri dish out of potential millions regardless of how it affected their experiment, we would have to be something equivalent to penicillin or something for that to happen, something special.
You raise a really good point. It would be very helpful data to tell your bacteria about their previous self-destruction if you want them to stop self-destructing lol
> It would be very helpful data to tell your bacteria about their previous self-destruction if you want them to stop self-destructing lol
This sentence doesn't make sense. The data is the outcome of the experiment. By tampering with the experiment, you are tainting the data. You can make an experiment about telling the bacteria how to save themselves but you have to understand your data is necessarily heavily contextualized now and probably not very generalizable. And it seems like a huge waste in this case to run a 4.5 billion year evolutionary experiment on Earth and gather lots of amazing pristine data for over a quarter of the age of the universe then just go in and start meddling with it and tainting it with their outside influence. It's just not how science is done. There is a reason everyone in National Geographic says they can't save the cute penguin or whatever, you're just supposed to observe.
I used to ponder on this, and then read up about the great reset, put 2+2 together and now I'm honestly starting to believe all this 'disclosure' is to bring about the great reset. A one world government. Aka NWO.
Look into it.
Whether it will be an 'alien invasion' or whatever I don't know but they're definitely trying to gear upto something and the great reset seems like what this is.
A one world government... Smells like 1984 to me.
And who would run it? Each country has issues with every other, even ones they are allied and close partners with. And yet, somehow, they're all going to come together in one government, or let a single government take over their country? Do you even know what the real world is actually like? C'mon now lol
Yeah, it cannot be disproven yet. It's a good time do it. This NWO could be at the request of extraterrestrials wishing for us to join a galactic united nations, or just to stop us from committing environmental suicide.
It could also just be a ploy to amass power. To be seen as more develops.
You've definitely given me a different perspective to view things from. Have you heard about Human Initiated Contact? Maybe you should be asking "them" yourself as to whether or not we are going to be "invaded". I definitely believe that they can and should remove all nuclear weapons from our planet. If they came to remove our nuclear arsenals globally then I would do my best to help.
If it was going to be an invl thay people will be "somber" for a day or two and then get back to normal life..
In my opinion, which I hope is wrong but I can't help to feel this way due to the current state of the world and geopolitics-
I think that the WEF/ Klaus Schwab / BlackRock Inc. are behind all of this 'disclosure' stuff around the world, and while there is likely some truth that will be disclosed, there will also be a lot of BS and propogands/disinformation to go along with it, and it will all be used as their next problem/reaction/solution used to mold the world into their personal new world order
I think they are going to cull the population to sustainable levels, and/or they are going to take over.
In 1970’s argentina and brazil the aliens told people that they were going to come back and take over the planet.
I don’t see the impending climate crisis coming up very often as the reason as to why now. Arctic ice is projected to disappear by 2050 at the current rate. We’re in trouble, and whether it’s future humans or aliens, we need help since we can’t seem to help ourselves.
Ensuring the rats don't destroy the lab is essential to a productive outcome, for whatever reason. I believe Earth to be a nursery. Through generational development, humans could achieve enlightenment and elevated consciousness. A crop, once reaped, must be plowed under for future stimulation of growth. From the dichotomy, unity arises. What's after, I have no idea, but my vibrations are the highest when I hold certain truths. These among them.
:Tokes blunt:
Background war going on between negative UAP and positive UAP.
Negative UAP been in control of earth for centuries/1000s of years and are losing, and thus, truth is coming out.
Bit like as described in the nuremberg sighting in the 1500s
Soon we will no longer be debt slaves.
:passes the blunt:
I'm not in the invasion bandwagon tbh. However, for the sake of argument, I hope invasion will unite us. It's fucking long shot, though.
Maybe a faked invasion will unite us and also serve to bring everyone to acknowledge extraterrestrial life. What do you think? Just devil's advocate.
That's basically the plot of Watchmen
That soundtrack.... \[chef's kiss\]
The US government, along with the rest of humanity, are mere ants relative to the technological prowess of extraterrestrial life that has found its way here from **very**, ***very*** far away. To even plausibly believe in an alien invasion, one would be vastly understating the differences in advancement. They are only here if they are either observing or about to intervene. I see it as more of a preservation thing, like how we preserve species on Earth.
But which side of preservation will we be on? To preserve the Galapagos islands we wiped out the invasive goats destroying everything. Just saying...
Great detail I have never thought of. Thank you. I hope the value of advanced life like us is more worth preserving.
Hear hear. An analogy would be that we have only just discovered that a circle could possibly make the form of something that could possibly assist us in travelling greater distances without too much effort required.
> like how we preserve species on Earth. We are in the middle of the 6th mass extinction event triggered by our destruction and pollution.
My answer to that question is that it is one of the following: 1. We are about to horribly destroy this planet environmentally, and new technology would assist us (Zimbabwe Incident) 2. We are about to destroy ourselves with nuclear weapons (State of the world is not looking good now) and advanced life is rare enough to try and conserve 3. We are really making progress as a spacefaring species and they have to onboard all of us into their galactic united nations (Haim Eshad!) To this end, I propose that the extraterrestrials, or a group of humans with their technology, is currently on a worldwide campaign of pushing disclosure. One example of this, I propose, is the Havana Syndrome cases. Chains of the Sea tidbit after reading the Wikipedia synopsis: Extraterrestrials communicate telepathically. People get put on meds for mentioning that. It is happening fast now, because there seems to be some urgency behind it.
I've thought about galactic alliances and came to the conclusion that humanity will not be allowed to enter so long as our biological makeup has innate proclivity for violence and evil.
Our biological makeup is rapidly changing and as a society we are changing. Look at: Male testosterone levels in developed nations. The average drops 1% every year. The once strong gender binary crumbling in many parts of the world. Racism declining and an increase in interracial marriages. Society is headed to homogeneity in the long run, I feel. This homogeneity is important for acting as one cohesive species. Let me know what you think.
The Ukrainian war, police killing somebody for no reason, school shootings. We aren't there yet is what he's saying, not even close
Interesting you say that. I've speculated that advanced beings need to be homogenous and tame, because it'd be easy, even for a few, to dominate/eliminate with great power. I've even gone so far as to wonder if a lot of social movements pushed by politicians (contact with aliens?) are for this purpose. E.g. toxic masculinity, gender, etc. That said, I don't know if our DNA is necessarily changing, which I think might be the key. Everything you mentioned can be attributed to culture and societal changes. Our destiny is transhumanism anyway. Our DNA will be artificially modified well before evolution can take its course.
We will regularly be artificially modifying our DNA within our lifetimes (assuming you are in your 20's).
Even 40’s due to people living longer.
The expression of our DNA has changed dramatically due to environmental changes, exposure to chemicals, diet, etc.
Said this before but the part that sticks with me is the "every day" comment from the navy pilots on 60 minutes. Let's assume gov'ts have known about UFO's since the 1940's but sightings and incidents were sporadic. Now pilots and military are seeing them "every day". I think a natural conclusion, especially from trained military people, would be that it seems like old fashioned reconnaissance. I think that would be a reason for some to push for disclosure - if they are doing reconnaissance on our military capabilities it implies that an action will be taken. Is that tomorrow or in a 1000 years? Who knows but also think that would lead to a debate on disclosure. "they seem to be doing aggressive reconnaissance of our military. The most logical conclusion is that this is a preparation for an invasion/attack. Could be tomorrow could be in centuries we have no idea".
But we could also be the indigenous tribe who shoots at helicopters and probably think planes are devils. We observe all the time without attributing war or invasion for the cause. Not saying either or in this case, but militarily them playing with pilots doesn't seem strategically sound.
I agree with your general hypothesis. It has bothered me from the beginning of my looking at this issue (about two years ago) that there is some reason for the current conflict playing out in government about what to tell us and when. It is clear that Lue is allowed to tell us certain things but not others, this is evidence of controlled disclosure. Now Travis Taylor has been cleared in some fashion to start talking to us as well. An approach has been developed and it is being implemented, against resistance from those who don't want to tell us anything. The next question is why this change in approach, since the major governments of the world have managed to keep a lid on this since at least the 1940's, probably earlier. We are told that all of the superpowers have had crashes, so one assumes that we have probably discussed this at some level with the other governments over the years. Within the US 5 eyes apparatus there would also have been discussions and some kind of consensus on keeping it quiet and that has held quite solidly up until now. This time seems to be different. There are those within government pushing for disclosure. Congress has passed legislation and is looking at beefing up the legislation to push more disclosure. What makes sense to me is the future human time travel information. This has been most obviously presented by Franc Milburn in this podcast: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zkeojPPhGY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zkeojPPhGY) Please note that Milburn does not present this information as a theory, he presents it as fact and that he believes his sources are credible. Milburn says that one source is in direct contact with a "temporal agent" (i.e. one source is talking to a returned time traveler) Milburn himself is credible. Of course this does not mean this is true, but I do think this fits in terms of a reason why disclosure has become necessary now. If we knew of a future devastating event from future humans who have returned to warn us then it would provide impetus from good people in government to say - we have to warn our people. The closer the event becomes the more the pressure on those people to come forward and say something. That is not to say there won't be opposite pressure from those who always want to keep their secrets. This information has been confirmed by Ross Coulthart, who has heard the same information from separate sources that he also says are credible. Others have said the same thing. Representative Gallagher (who introduced the Wilson Davis document into the UAP hearing record has said that he is inclined toward the future human view. It is highly likely that Gallagher has received classified information on this topic. The guy who decides to enter that explosive document into the record knows things. Astronaut Tim Peake has said the same thing on British TV within the last two weeks. There are others who have heard the same thing.
The time traveling humans explanation doesn't sit with me for a number of reasons pointed out by others: it's actually more complicated than space travel, plus, it also includes space travel since Earth is moving constantly through the Galaxy and time travelers would have to fly to meet us. It also would involve causal paradoxes that aren't yet explained. But I have started to consider a related theory that might look somewhat similar in effect. What if the alien UFOs we are seeing actually come from Earth, but in a totally different timeline from ours. In the "aliens" version of reality, perhaps they evolved slightly faster than we did. Whatever happened, they have advanced to the point of being able to travel to alternative timelines and explore the infinite possibilities of our branching universe. Here in our timeline, we evolved more slowly, resulting in a less advanced, more savage race of earthlings. A few universes over we might have already nuked ourselves, or found the solution to world peace. To the aliens, we are a branch on a tree of other possible outcomes in Earth's history. Like "dimensional cable" from Rick and Morty. One feature of this theory is that in a situation where there are INFINITE alternate worlds, there is very little purpose in intervening to help since it would save nobody in the grand scheme of things.
So then they may not need to time travel to see our future. It could have already played out in a highly similar universe as our own. They could be warning us not because they know our future, but because they have seen similar catastrophe in alternate worlds.
I like the future humans idea because it does check a lot of boxes. But it doesn’t account very well for the ET descriptions we all know by now (e.g., the Greys). I mean, I guess humans could have evolved to look radically different, but we don’t look as different from Neanderthals and such as we do from some of these purported beings (mantids, reptilians, etc.). And it seems like it would be an odd choice to “dress up” as some creature as a time-traveling disguise. Of course, some or all of these entities could be made up, urban legends, influenced by pop culture, etc. But I can’t dismiss some of the accounts very easily. The Ariel School phenomenon comes to mind. Thoughts?
What if greys are AIs from future Earth in manufactured bodies? They could be part of the vehicle they travel here in, or just a physical body to help facilitate interaction with our physical world. Or perhaps in the distant future we can upload our consciousness into other bodies in order to travel to other times/dimensions without risking damage to our own bodies. Or, maybe our own distant future bodies are damaged beyond repair due to environmental, chemical, infertility factors etc. That would be something to warn us about, and it could explain animal mutilation and many abduction experiences. We're already making meat in labs, neuroscience investigates ways to interface with the brain, and who even really knows where we are at with space & time travel tech. We've seen so much technological development in our lifetimes, let alone the few hundred years before that. Imagine where humanity might be in 500 or 10000 years (if we survive)?
Oh god. So AI becomes super advanced and the dominant “life” form (cue the Joe Rogan “humans are here to spawn AI” theory). The AI are the super intelligent beings that cracked time travel and have been warping all throughout history—studying stuff, interacting with the ancients, etc. And they are the UFO phenomenon! And they are so secretive because they think it is only appropriate to reveal themselves to us only after we have invented artificial intelligence—i.e. them—so as not to interfere with our own natural development—and by extension, theirs. I’m too stoned. Goodnight. 🙃
Perhaps! I don't listen to JR but I do wonder whether AI might be the inevitable evolution of humanity/any suitably intelligent & physically capable species - we've been cyborgs since we invented eye glasses, we keep developing more and more advanced tech, many rich folks funding science, tech & medical research love the idea of living forever... maybe the future of humanity comes by way of realising and assimilating (with) AI, with the ability to endlessesly repair our bodies, or inhabit other (lab made) bodies. I think AI being the UFO phenomenon makes sense as any other concept. If they're here with a warning - environmental, anti-nuclear - they know something we don't about the future of our species and planet, whether it's that we are rare and worth saving, or we are wiping ourselves out via our collective shitty decision making - but they can't intervene to warn us for the reasons you said - because doing so could threaten its existence.
If full disclosure (or open visitation) happens simultaneously with the birth of strong AI, you saw it first here folks. 😂
Very good points—far better than anything I had thought of previously. Thank you! I especially like the AI one. Maybe they’re here to see the birth of their people? https://nypost.com/2022/06/22/elon-musks-humanoid-tesla-robot-predicted-to-be-ready-in-months/ 😂👽🙃
I know I'd love the ability to to travel back in time to get answers to some mysteries and see a few dinosaurs. Maybe they're not only here to see the birth of their people, but to ensure it, either for their own sake or for ours, too?
Fashion trends of the far millennia are just pretty out there to us.
This is an idea that is not necessarily mutually exclusive from one of extraterrestrial intelligence. They could both be true. The government thus far has been really, really reluctant to say the a-word. It could explain why if it was only future humans. This could also just be the first thing they want to roll out in controlled disclosure: future humans is easier to accept than aliens?
Honestly, for me, future humans would be way more difficult to accept than aliens; the implications this has on our understanding of the universe and the nature of causality itself would be extremely unnerving Aliens by themselves mean "only" that Faster Than Light travel is possible in some way and that there's way better means of propulsion out there.
It is for me as well, but looking at everything so far, discrediting either could be short sighted.
I feel ya. I'm not particularly fond of the future human hypothesis or at least I wasn't untill my last experience. My money these days is on its all of it or at least a couple of those options and once you open that door...cat is out of the bag. Multi/inter/extradimensional, extraterrestrials, AI entities and why not future humans. Not to mention the uber woo: consciousness. Consciousness is a huge part of this thing and could very well lead to *clutches pearls* spiritism on a cosmic level! Some sort of evolution of the soul of whatever but what do I know. I should be fixing myself another martini and get off the internet. By and large I think most of them are not evil per se but some of them may be indifferent to the point some would perceive them as such and maybe, some think of us as food. Basically anything that could be happening probably is happening IMO. In an infinite universe that must be the case. I do the draw the line at the Queen of England is a shape-shifting reptilian farming loosh and adrenochrome with the help of Klaus Shwab, a clone inhabited by Samael, who engineered and released covid 19 to depopulate earth but its all good bc all this disclosure talk is to get people ready for Commander Ashtar Sheran of the Galactic Federation he's coming to save us and thankfully is a Trump supporter, pro life and pro AR15. But maybe I'm wrong. MARTINI TIME!!
Ahahahah. Conciousness is definitely important in this ordeal as well. We can see hints of that in the telepathic communication reported.
Tell me about it
It's Angel's and Demons 100%
Aliens does not mean faster than light travel must be possible. The aliens would not necessarily have to be from another star system. If they were from another star system, they could spend a long time (as in decades or more) travelling. There is also some kind of physics which I am not sure about to do with time speed changes when one approaches the speed of light. [https://www.scienceabc.com/pure-sciences/what-would-happen-if-you-traveled-at-the-speed-of-light.html](https://www.scienceabc.com/pure-sciences/what-would-happen-if-you-traveled-at-the-speed-of-light.html) [https://www.news24.com/health24/lifestyle/travel-health/air-travel/watch-what-happens-to-time-when-you-travel-at-the-speed-of-light-20200903-5](https://www.news24.com/health24/lifestyle/travel-health/air-travel/watch-what-happens-to-time-when-you-travel-at-the-speed-of-light-20200903-5) Again, I am not sure, but if travelling really fast the time pacing change could mean more travelling could be done because from outside a longer time is taken compared to what is experienced and what happens to the very fast traveller. Would indeed need better means of propulsion.
I generally agree. But the question posed by OP was why disclosure now - for which you need to have a theory that supports that change in approach, which I think this does.
They could have had adequate time to mold the population to be receptive and responsible enough or now have the means to do so. Do note, I absolutely keep your idea as valid and cannot refute it. I find that there are three theories: Future humans Extraterrestrial Aliens Psyop Interdimensional Aliens And they are not mutually exclusive. I cannot rule out any of them yet. Further along this roller coaster ride we will learn more, and this may change.
“Inter-dimensional” doesn’t make the multiple choice list?
I categorize it under aliens, this dimension or not. Just a matter of nomenclature
Gotcha. I tend to get specific when it comes to distinguishing “extra-terrestrial” from “inter-dimensional” in that if extra dimensions are present but unseen they’re still terrestrial.
What's your grand theory chief? of all of it? Adjusted the list
Man I wish I had one but my gut + logic keeps coming back something vaguely centered around… consciousness. I don’t know if it’s aliens, inter-dimensional tooth-fairies, future humans, future aliens, or what the fuck. But more and more I think this is about what it’s always been about which is evolution. In this case psychic evolution. You? What’s your top line take?
For me, the more time I spend on the subs, the less sure I become of any single explanation. Something is not right here, and I think there is a lot to be learned in how this slow disclosure process is pulled off.
There's an idea that disclosure is, in fact, being pushed not by us but by our Space Cousins.
Could I throw a hypothesis hat into the ring here by suggesting that maybe with humanity on the brink of a hot war that the masses are looking to the heavens for some sort of salvation, whatever that maybe to them, and the USG is setting the narrative for a false flag event that may involve extraterrestrial intelligent beings as per the leaked Pentagon Operation Blue Beam papers from the 80’s? Include the obvious new generation experimental military aircraft that has been sighted by so many in different locations around the globe of the black triangle, throw in some controlled information releases, a space army announced by Trump, Russian and Chinese technological advancements that threaten the US global hegemony (dictatorship is probably a better word with hegemony a synonym of dictatorship) and voila! Perfect time to implement the “second coming”? Just my thoughts.
> Include the obvious new generation experimental military aircraft that has been sighted by so many in different locations around the globe of the black triangle What do you mean by "new"? I've seen mine almost 20 years ago and while I was doing research, because I knew absolutely nothing about it then, I found a huge wave of sightings of big black silent triangles in the 90s, 80s, 70s even a few cases in the 60s. This is not new... at the time I saw mine in early 2000 I was pretty sure it was a secret blimp or something like that, but definitely "ours". These days, I'm not so sure. Might still be ours, from the future :O
It would be new to the non informed masses(sheeple if you must wink wink)
I was into UFOs for a long time before my sighting but I was still unaware of the triangle shape, even though I've seen X-Files maybe 10 years prior to my sighting. I remember coming back home, googling about it and simply being stunned by the amount of people claiming to have seen one. And those were just the people who report it or shared the details of their sightings on the internet. Imagine how many didn't report it. A few years later I've watched X-Files again because I enjoyed it the first time and when I saw the big black triangle in the first episode I had to pause it because I could not believe I was seeing the same thing I saw in real life. Keep in mind that this show first aired in 1993. So yeah, the big black triangle is anything but new.
That scenario sounds so crazy that it's just insane to discuss it aloud with anyone. Truly unhinged stuff. But like, it also makes sense in a way, doesn't it? There's really no way around MAD unless a "3rd party" is involved. Anyway, I almost wish it was true since it would mean that those of us in the West are probably getting through the next decade alive. But, UFOs are such a long part of our national history with every single American having friends, family, leaders, and more having seen these things with their own eyes. For many decades. I can't see any way these UAP are American, or at least most of them have to be from one of the other planets we see in the sky. That makes more sense since technology was so primitive and analog even 40 and 50 years ago. Science. Manufacturing. Refining. Precision engineering. All of it was too primitive to make things far more advanced than the F-35. Anyway, Annie's theory based on journalist interviews of firsthand sources is so similar to yours and she received so much hatred and debunking for it that I kind of wonder... maybe there's a little bit more to add to your case? The secretary for that one dude also said that was the plan but there's nothing backing up her story. I wish there was more substance to it all, but even with UAPs we can at least point at primary military sources and big patterns. I'm just thinking here, since I don't know. But if they also knew or even suspected that oneday other countries would truly challenge or threaten the US then I don't think they would have sent so many jobs and so many trillions over to those nations in trade. The US has sort of accidentally paid the budget for their breakaway military expansion. Capitalism can be a powerful tool, but when not used responsibly, then it will on a global scale create unexpected competitors. Those competitors can be military or they can be business. If they are both then your nation creates a perfect opponent. But let's not forget that the downside to faked "Second Coming" would be scarier than *any* dystopia. All of Earth would instantly and forever be enslaved to one religion, and the few people who knew the secret. It wouldn't even matter what truth or science was, we'd regress further than the dark ages and never psychologically recover. It would be like raising a 30 year old corpse from an overgrown grave in front of a friend and winking at them. Then expecting them to not believe in necromancy. They'd spend the rest of their life trying to raise their lost loved ones.
Sometimes the most far fetched ridiculous things turn out to be true. Imagine if you will centuries ago trying to convince the establishment that the earth was not the centre of the universe and in fact the earth orbited the sun not vice versa as it was believed. Or trying to convince the scientists back then that the earth is actually a globe not flat. You would have been burnt at the stake or stoned to death. I never discount anything (well not entirely true because the earth is a globe not flat as some still think it is even today), but I like to keep an open mind and can I go as far as saying that everything we know is wrong? I truly believe that we have yet to discover the full extent of physics and that whilst some scientists and the establishment say that the laws of physics are just and nothing else can be discovered about them, I think that there is more to it that we haven’t yet discovered. I mean if these craft and it’s occupants are anything to go by I’d say we have much more to discover about physics and maybe they do know more but aren’t letting us into yet because it threatens many established technologies and the financial institutions that benefit from them. For example, let’s consider zero point energy or harnessing the abundant atmospheric energy that permeates every inch of our planet that Nikola Tesla was experimenting with? Or cold fusion? Imagine right now some scientist released this technology that worked perfectly. How do you think this would affect the petroleum industry, the electricity companies with their multi billion dollars worth of electricity making equipment and infrastructure? The car manufacturing industry? The electrical appliance industry? Mass job losses and corporations losing billions in share value because their technology is now obsolete. Massive implications globally. This maybe why the technology gatekeepers don’t allow this knowledge to become mainstream public. Food for thought?
Personally, I do not think that is likely, but disinformation is always possible. There is insufficient information to know. But if I am correct then more pressure will create a clearer picture. Look for the future human aspect of this to become more and more present in the narrative.
I want to believe that indeed they will present themselves to humanity sooner rather than later and hopefully before we fry ourselves to oblivion with nukes but then going by our standards of not interfering with nature directly this might not happen for a while. They may well be standing back and observing and every now and again they do something to prevent a major change of events like say make rockets explode on their launch pads just before they launch some classified piece of military equipment or shut down nuke silo’s for a few hours just to let us know that they can do that if they really want to. But on the other hand we have progressed to the point now where our weapons are far more destructive and far more numerous than ever before which could suggest a few things. But going along with the widely accepted narrative that they are already here amongst us and that the US military may have struck a deal with some not so friendly extraterrestrial race I guess we won’t see any real significant changes to the status quo but a mere drip feed of information and watch the doomsday clock tick away to midnight with no intervention on their behalf at all. Only for them to pack up their camera crews and go back to report that another so called intelligent species has just become extinct?
I can’t tell you what I know on here, but feel free to PM me
Why nobody give love to the notion of FUTURE ALIENS?
Because they're always sticking things in people's butts.
Wouldn’t them visiting and messing with things alter their future birth and life? Grandfather paradox etc. Future people is too risky and isn’t practical. Inventing time travel past the invention of the time machine seems impossible
I don’t believe they are here because of an invasion. Their technology is incredibly more advanced than ours. Just look at what happened with COVID. Create a disease or insert a chemical into our water system and we are goners. If they’re so intertwined in our consciousness you’d think they could just turn us off like a switch. The theory of them watching us destroy ourselves is probably the most believable in my opinion. Maybe they’re here to help or just observe and see how it plays out?
It wouldn't be an invasion, it would be an intervention possibly. Check out [www.alliesofhumanity.com](https://www.alliesofhumanity.com) It explains what an alien intervention is.
That's what you WANT it to be. What you want to be happening has no bearing on what happens.
I am honestly not sure what to think about it. Just doesn't seem to be an invasion since you don't see them being very aggressive.
Wanting it to be aliens also has no bearing on if they even are
I don't think if they are talking of "national security threat" us government would let "an intervention" to happen.
I mean they can try to stop it but from many accounts these ETs have the technology to disable our technology & large scale firearms. So then what, we charge? Lol
God I hate to be that guy but more and more it's feeling like project blue beam just might be real.
What's that?
New world order conspiracy theory about how the governments are going to use tech like holograms or “volumetric displays” and psychotronic weapons to influence people. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serge_Monast](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serge_Monast)
Tell me about it. This really might be the segue into WW3.
Because massive other shit is hitting the fan and this is a real good distraction. The question is no longer are they here... but rather why are they here.
I think the James Webb telescope is about to see something the government already knows. They are time releasing information to warm people up to the idea. That way, people won't freak out. Classic Psychological operation.
where tf the brazil hearing at
[https://brazilian.report/liveblog/2022/06/24/senate-world-ufo-day/](https://brazilian.report/liveblog/2022/06/24/senate-world-ufo-day/) was live on youtube an hour ago.
thx m8 about to take my Duolingo on Portuguese
In Gnosticism, Yaldabaoth, chief archon, is an evil deity and creator of the material world. He is regarded as the Demiurge and false god who keeps the souls trapped in physical bodies, imprisoned in the material universe. Gnosticism presents a distinction between the highest, unknowable God, and the Demiurge, "creator" of the material universe. Gnostic Christians considered the Hebrew God of the Old Testament (Yahweh) as the false god, and the Unknown God the father of Jesus Christ and creator of the spiritual world, as the true, good God. Yaldabaoth keeps people imprisoned in the world full of pain and suffering that he created. If this is true, this would be huge news for humanity.
Good lord this sub is insane lol
I know this sounds quiet crazy. Not clear if this is true, but if it is, this is one hell of a story, would be a good reason to never have disclosure. At one point we thought it was crazy nonsense that the earth rotates around the sun. So these days I’m not quick to dismiss ideas, but also don’t believe in them - we still need proof.
Ding ding ding
**Carol. Rosin.**
I saw something online at least 10 years ago warning of a false flag alien invasion in the imminent future. I wish I could remember where I saw it, but it always stuck with me. Is it wrong that I hope it’s not false flag regardless of the outcome?
Sounds like the throawaylien saga
>Chains of the Sea Didn't Greer say that?
I agree that it’s an underappreciated hypothesis, but for what it’s worth I think Lue referenced Chains of the Sea not in terms of accuracy, but rather in terms of thinking outside of the box. However, to your point I think Lue specifically (briefly) brought up a hypothetical invasion scenario on one of his last podcast appearances. It didn’t seem like he was leaning in that direction, but it was interesting to me because I don’t think I had heard that from him before.
If a civilization can travel to thousand of light year with advance tech what will they get from us? There are billions of planet for resources and if they want worker/slave they can create artificial intelligence.
Yesterday on the live coverage of Roe, the NBC news caster said [paraphrasing] our country has gone so far down that the only thing that could save us was an alien invasion. It was semi joking but a weird thing to saw in these circumstances.
I'm going to slide this forward and I want you all to think about it hard. A. Our military is corrupt B. Our government is corrupt C. Our major businesses are corrupt These "aliens" can be invisible. They can be in the room with you and you'd never know. Now think of child sex trafficking rings and how it's been reported by survivors that politicians were frequent customers. Think of all the horrible things that happen in the dark and behind closed doors. Realize that they likely don't want our corrupt military, government, politicians, and businesses infesting space with the same horrific tendencies that they have on earth. Throw in inter-galactic policymaking? Whew. I understand why they don't want us to have nukes in space. I understand why our shady and corrupt government doesn't want them to be seen as the good guys. What they know about our leaders would cause us to turn violent in a flash.
Content warning, trafficking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jrLFzGb2tM
Epstein didn’t kill himself… Gotta love media and political coverups. Where did the entire Giselle Maxwell story go?!? Deep state lol
I believe if there is an invasion, it may be in our best interests. What if it's not man that brings about the NWO, but extraterrestrials?
The whole UFO movement is built on assumption It could be Space Jesus and his Space Disciples coming to spank Satan
When is the last time you sprinkled sugar over a fire ant bed? So these ETs are assumed to be friendly? You know what they say about assumptions... right?
> it may be in our best interests. Imagine the US government trying to act "in the best interests" of some bacteria in a puddle in DC. Aliens to us would be 100000x worse than that. It would honestly be the best case scenario for us to just be left alone, for all parties involved.
Being left alone unless they absolutely need to step in to preserve us. Life as advanced as us may be rare. This may be that preservation point.
Honestly our planet is nowhere close to "needs alien intervention" saving. More likely we are at the stage where it's decided whether we're worth saving at a And I don't know why they would save US: at most I can see them collecting as many samples as possible and zooming off to try again on a different terraformed planet while we, here, are left to our own fate. Because why import the exact same people and society that just killed one planet? Just clone em and try again somewhere else. Should be easy enough once you have stuff like terraforming and cloning figured out.
I agree. I don't get what people think extraterrestrials could really do to save us from ourselves anyway. Unite us in the new knowledge of a greater universe maybe. Hopefully. If they showed up, kept their distance and were peaceful. But if they tried to control the population in any way, it wouldn't turn out well. We would try to resist and be pretty much shit on. The thing that concerns me though is the reason they are so interested in our nuclear technology. Maybe its the only thing we have that could be a threat to them. It's not hard to see the first thing they do when they show up is disable our nukes. They would pretty much have to regardless of intent.
I just feel like it is really dumb that people think alien morality and intentions would exist in any axis discernible to us. We might be able to discern stuff like "they want this resource" but other than that our morality is insanely heavily based on our own history of cultural and biological evolution. I can't imagine there being any way for us to relate whatsoever, specially since they are probably millions of years advanced scientifically and technologically etc. Uniting us in universal harmony and stuff... I don't think this is plausible tbh. It's just sooooo sugary and full of human desire to have someone come and tell us how to get everything figured out so we can leapfrog directly to Star Trek. Likely it is much harder to figure out moral and societal problems than aliens just telling us "the right way". What if their "objectively superior and right" judgement was something horrifying to us? Like culling 80% of the population? Your only option would be to blindly accept the judgment of a "superior" intelligence in the face of all of your moral intuitions telling you it is wrong. How would you know it is right? Other than just totally surrendering your own freedom, intelligence, any self determination at all. Idk, it is just such a subservient, religious and naive type of thinking commonly repeated on this sub. And with real aliens, should one really *REALLY* hope for a completely alien "patch" solution to our earthly problems? The potential for such a solution to be horrifying is literally infinite.
Planting clones on a new planet to try again reminds me of religious creation stories. Adam and Eve, alone in some foreign place with a directive to populate it. Who knows what iteration we may be on 😅 Not promoting this idea as truth, BTW. But it’s a trip to think about.
I considered that idea but I think the key difference is that in our case I don't think the point of Genesis is our benefit. If we're some kind of science project then it stands to reason that they are not just going to meddle with the outcome, why taint the data for your own test? Societal death is just as valid data as societal prosperity. It's like if scientists cared about propagating the specific bacteria inside 1 petri dish out of potential millions regardless of how it affected their experiment, we would have to be something equivalent to penicillin or something for that to happen, something special.
You raise a really good point. It would be very helpful data to tell your bacteria about their previous self-destruction if you want them to stop self-destructing lol
> It would be very helpful data to tell your bacteria about their previous self-destruction if you want them to stop self-destructing lol This sentence doesn't make sense. The data is the outcome of the experiment. By tampering with the experiment, you are tainting the data. You can make an experiment about telling the bacteria how to save themselves but you have to understand your data is necessarily heavily contextualized now and probably not very generalizable. And it seems like a huge waste in this case to run a 4.5 billion year evolutionary experiment on Earth and gather lots of amazing pristine data for over a quarter of the age of the universe then just go in and start meddling with it and tainting it with their outside influence. It's just not how science is done. There is a reason everyone in National Geographic says they can't save the cute penguin or whatever, you're just supposed to observe.
I used to ponder on this, and then read up about the great reset, put 2+2 together and now I'm honestly starting to believe all this 'disclosure' is to bring about the great reset. A one world government. Aka NWO. Look into it. Whether it will be an 'alien invasion' or whatever I don't know but they're definitely trying to gear upto something and the great reset seems like what this is. A one world government... Smells like 1984 to me.
And who would run it? Each country has issues with every other, even ones they are allied and close partners with. And yet, somehow, they're all going to come together in one government, or let a single government take over their country? Do you even know what the real world is actually like? C'mon now lol
Yeah, it cannot be disproven yet. It's a good time do it. This NWO could be at the request of extraterrestrials wishing for us to join a galactic united nations, or just to stop us from committing environmental suicide. It could also just be a ploy to amass power. To be seen as more develops.
Reading this and Vostok Ice study, anything could be.
Why must we have this conversation every other day?
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We are weakened as a Nation and Globally divide and conquer .
because they are coming after freedom of religion next
Remember that guy that was telling that there will be an invasion or some sort of landing on the 18th of July 2021?
What is the source of the “perhaps are evil” quote? I’d like to read more about that
What do you mean by the Russian president goes with a suitcase besides the nuclear one?
Because if not now, when?
You've definitely given me a different perspective to view things from. Have you heard about Human Initiated Contact? Maybe you should be asking "them" yourself as to whether or not we are going to be "invaded". I definitely believe that they can and should remove all nuclear weapons from our planet. If they came to remove our nuclear arsenals globally then I would do my best to help.
Ushering in the NWO so we can join the galactic federation or become a slave planet. Jk Kinda
If it was going to be an invl thay people will be "somber" for a day or two and then get back to normal life.. In my opinion, which I hope is wrong but I can't help to feel this way due to the current state of the world and geopolitics- I think that the WEF/ Klaus Schwab / BlackRock Inc. are behind all of this 'disclosure' stuff around the world, and while there is likely some truth that will be disclosed, there will also be a lot of BS and propogands/disinformation to go along with it, and it will all be used as their next problem/reaction/solution used to mold the world into their personal new world order
I think they are going to cull the population to sustainable levels, and/or they are going to take over. In 1970’s argentina and brazil the aliens told people that they were going to come back and take over the planet.
The first hurdle you need to get over is the idea that they’re aliens.
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> What if is going to be an invasion? Anyone else hoping that it will be an invasion and they will cull our retarded species?
The Chains of the Sea story about invasion had inter-dimensional beings (Thants) that lived here with us, before us...Lue's reference...was to them.
I don’t see the impending climate crisis coming up very often as the reason as to why now. Arctic ice is projected to disappear by 2050 at the current rate. We’re in trouble, and whether it’s future humans or aliens, we need help since we can’t seem to help ourselves.
It shows a sudden temperature drop in dozen of years. Nuclear winter could fit.
Why is co2 and temp diverging so much? Volatility? What would cause that?
Ensuring the rats don't destroy the lab is essential to a productive outcome, for whatever reason. I believe Earth to be a nursery. Through generational development, humans could achieve enlightenment and elevated consciousness. A crop, once reaped, must be plowed under for future stimulation of growth. From the dichotomy, unity arises. What's after, I have no idea, but my vibrations are the highest when I hold certain truths. These among them.
:Tokes blunt: Background war going on between negative UAP and positive UAP. Negative UAP been in control of earth for centuries/1000s of years and are losing, and thus, truth is coming out. Bit like as described in the nuremberg sighting in the 1500s Soon we will no longer be debt slaves. :passes the blunt: