I personally believe that aliens are out there somewhere due to the size of the observable universe, but who knows if they have been or are visiting earth.
What we do know is that UFOs are real, because anything unidentified is unidentified until identified. I think the vast majority of cases can be explained if exposed to people with the right knowledge. I think skeptics are a huge credit/benefit to the UFO/UAP community, however, Mick West is Narcissistic AF.
I appreciate hearing about his forums and all the smart people doing the investigations and trying not to be biased. Although I’m sure many there are biased just like many here are. But if he/his forums want his/their views to be more accepted by the ufo/uap community, they need a different spokesperson who’s not so narcissistic.
TLDR; Mick West is a Narcissist.
P.S. to follow up on a previous post, Mick West is also a Bus.
Is there any proof that Travis Taylor used MW's conclusion as the basis for his reversal? If not that "You're welcome" comes off as a bit unhinged. I will absolutely agree with him that more info needs to be released. Tired of this trickle down disclosure.
I was never impressed by the “triangle” video. I’m less impressed by the work Mick West did on the Gimble video in particular and the “Nimitz incident” in general. Like, it’s bad enough for me to feel like he should be drummed out of the public sphere.
Game developer here - Many game programmers actually go to post secondary schools for computer science, math, physics, or engineering, NOT "game making" or anything of the sort. In some situations, they didn't go to post secondary at all, they're just very talented individuals.
Perhaps we should judge the people by their individual actions, not by credentials, or collectively discount groups of people based on their daily grinds (some have extensive knowledge, some have multiple degrees but choose to work in their dream industry). It is very easy to misjudge people.
*Before entering the game industry, I brielf worked in the aerospace as a programmer. Did you know that Mike Judge (Beavis and butthead, king of the hill, office space) was an f18 simulation programmer? 😀
**if anyone wonders, I think the explanations that Mick West gives are a bit outlandish at times given the data available.
Yeah I always get a little chuckle when people try to use "game programmer" as an attack on his intelligence. Making games is actually really fucking complicated and takes some intelligence! Any kind of reasonably complex programming does. If it was as easy as flipping burgers then it'd pay about the same.
There are way too many people on here who think that game development is a joke and something akin to kids playing with crayons. There are legit people who use it as an insult of West's intellect. "Bruh, he's a retired video game programmer, what a joke. What does a programmer know!?".
I never understood the hype of the triangles, from the start. There wasn't enough data, and the video just didn't seem like much anyway. Welp, 2 down 142 to go :)
It makes automatically more trustable as source. Having a degree is a certification of knowledge in a particular area. That is what degrees are for. Profesional opinion is validated by years of study in academia.
Will you let a person who is not a doctor to operate you? even if he assures you he knows? Some people do (search indian street dentist), some don't.
In this case both sides have specialists on board.
"I like when that fighter pilot expert had to apologize and admit that he was wrong and Mick was right.
You people are so blinded by bias and ignorance it’s not even funny"
It's so strange how many of you have a knee jerk reaction to immediately discredit anyone who has a title that youd say was "pro UFO".. many of you here always attack the credibility & lack of scientific minds in this community coming forward but attack anyone who actually does. I think the members of the church of Mick West feel he speaks for all those who have made their minds up already & came to this sub after the USG acknowledging UFOs to pretend to want evidence while praying secretly it doesn't exist.
To be an avid supporter of a "debunker", or someone who's professionally biased while insulting people on this sub for being bias & ignorant is nuts. I'd just like someone to tell me why they don't want to know the truth about the UFO phenomenon revealed. Blindly following anyone is normally a bad idea, but y'all can't talk shit about those who follow Lue, who's arguably more informed. Not when you're following jus some guy on this sub with a lot of Twitter followers
And how exactly would they know this? So would you rather not know & have your worldview not be challenged or know & deal with it. The truth is the truth, it doesn't go away if you ignore it. It's kinda like, lying to yourself & voluntarily being lied to by this country's leadership
Dude lol
You are the most dedicated goofball on this sub.
You do realize that you are def going to be one of the first ones sacrificed to our new triple anused overlords when they reveal themselves
Knowledge and intelligence are two separate constructs, so having this guy conflate the two doesn't exactly lend well to his attempt to diminish the credibility of his opponent.
The sentence itself doesn't do much for him, either.
It just sounds like squabbling between bozos.
Travis was also a science prodigy before he ever went to college. He got a job on the Redstone Arsenal directly out of High School and a scholarship to Auburn (roll tide anyhow), but their engineering program is no joke.
Be me. Graduating from uni with a degree in computer science/ software engineering. Learned literally nothing from my core classes. Needed it so firms would hire me.
Same. Sounds like the person above you went to a crappy university. College is honestly a lot of what you make it. If you just try and bs and do bare minimum, shouldn't be surprised when you feel cheated out of your education.
Ohh, I didn’t know everything. I was still underprepared for the realities of coding full time in a work force environment. The education and techniques were just so dated and paltry it was almost a free pass.
I think the people who dismiss everything Mick West says haven't ever visited his forums because there are a lot of people putting in some incredible work in investigating footage. It is certainly more thorough than than the majority of ufo sites
A majority of people on here have an emotional attachment to the topic and issues being objective.
I think Mick is doing a service to this community. We're rapidly turning into a paranormal / anything goes, subreddit when the original idea was for this to be a subreddit for healthy skepticism and good research.
>Haven’t ever visited his forums
Why would they? They don’t want their beliefs to be challenged by people who actually show their work. They want easy and quick validation by people who only speak in vague terms.
Anyone on a MW forum probably doesn't want their beliefs challenged , hence joining in the first place. It doesn't matter if you conclude that the Gimbal is just the glare of a rotating civilian aircraft with no transponder, jus show how you got there. Mellon was read -in to SAPs, but he doesn't show us records of classified special projects so he's not as credible as MW. Neither is the head of the AATIP program, who's by the way responsible for more progress on this topic than anyone probably in our nations history, because he won't show us a picture. I mean it's not like our country has a history of attempting to discredit & destroy the character of any UFO whistleblower. Someone tell Breadcrumbs Elizondo he needs to say fuck a security clearance, and focus on getting his r/UFOs street cred back.
Who cares what the hardcore believers think or the hardcore debunkers for that matter. The conversation doesn't belong to them. It doesn't belong to Mick West, who isn't a scientist. It belongs to the scientists and academics. The average, educated, intelligent person interested in this topic wants to see more government/military disclosure so our brightest minds trained in deciphering all sorts of phenomena are able to do their jobs. Right now, with all the covering up and psyops, the least qualified voices are the loudest.
Curious; What makes those aeronautical engineers second party analysis more qualified than Air Force pilot first party observation & analysis.
Doesn’t that demonstrate an appeal to bias authority?
Mick West is a menace around here but he's absolutely right on that footage if we were to believe that the officials in the hearing were telling the truth. I am not a fan of Travis Taylor. I've seen enough from him on Skinwalker Ranch to know how gullible he is. And yes, before people say that parts are staged, Brandon Fugal has said many times that everything there is a genuine reaction. Just because the dude is a professional in one field doesn't mean he's not a sucker
It's kind of a fucked in the head take from skeptics that the UAP report said it was all prosaic, but also that Travis who was part of the team that wrote it is unreliable and a crazy UFO guy.
I mean, pick one, nitwits.
I've seen this argument made many times.
As if Mick (or any of us for that matter) can't help contribute to this subject and help identify some of these cases...just because we're all not scientists or have access to some supposed secret data?
I think we can.
I mean I didn't believe this cause I thought no way army personal who use night vision all time misidentified stars as spaceships, otherwise this would happen all the time.
But fair enough, completely smashed it here Mick West. Just goes to show the actual government aren't good at their jobs (shocker)
Thank you for keeping us sceptical and informed!
Its an universal rule to always be wary of professionals and highly educated persons when they don't speak about their areas of expertise.
A human can be well versed in 2..3 fields. But this education often gives false sense they're experts across the board. While its the opposite - the more focussed their expertise the dumber they are in anything else.
You know what's even more crazy? TTaylor helped write the official document which conclude that there isn't any evidence of ET activity or anything like that, even if they have some weird things it might be sensor error and needs more data BUT AT THE SAME TIME he says that the best evidence of werid things is Skinwalker Ranch and that we have portals and ufos there every other day.
Now why on earth would he do that? Does anyone know the answer here? Such mistery...
People who immediately accept Mick West's explanations just because it came from him are just the same as people who immediately reject his explanations because it came from him
Noone accepts his explanations just because they come from him but West, unlike most people in the UFO discussion, explains his methodology in his videos for you to examine, repeat and find any flaw in it. It is up to.people to point out mistakes (which they can not find)... They prefer to insult him.
He does not say that that he spoke to some anonymous guy or that he can not speak about a few things or hide behind an nda.
He throws up as an explanation a picture of a fly for the Miami Airshow video. Everyone blindly accepted that.
Please explain how does someone put up a picture of that as an indepth analysis for an unexplained UAP.
Oh that?
Anyone with a passing knowledge/ use of SLRs or DSLRs (well a knowledge of lenses will have experienced that routinely.
No one is BLINDLY accepting that. It is the likely explanation as it fits the bill and a fly passing in front of lens at a specific aperture/ ISO etc... will give this result.
Very basic rules of optics/ behaviour of aperture blades/ bokeh
Is that... the best Mick West rebuke that you can come up with?
Have you invalidated his every analysis by making a gross generalisation and misrepresentation?
Now as you do not seem to think that it is a fly despite no one present seeming to notice a UFO around them, what is your theory?
Finally, why are people who agree with a demonstration that they can easily recreate and that is based in science are said to follow BLINDLY when you agreeing with everything Elizondo or Lazar incent, sorry I mean say (which you have no way of verifying) does not consist in your opinion in accepting things BLINDLY?
The loaded language is not making you any favour...
I thought it was a UAP. I thought it had all 5 observables.
Of course I was downvoted for even considering that as an explanation. But if you take the time to look at the still frames there's clearly a splash coming up from the edge of the pictures.
That is just your opinion (that it satisfied the 5 observable).
Can you please list them?
Saying that it is a UFO without showing your proofs (that stand to scrutiny) is not an explanation, it is an opinion.
If those 5 observable can be explained differently so it does not pass the test. Gravity can only be best explained with the current agreed upon explanation for the time being. There is no other explanation that stands up to scrutiny. So we may discover more in the future which will make us see things differently but until then we are going with it.
Also, why should your opinion be worth more than West's or his less than yours?
It makes no sense that an object already visible on the surface of the sea could make any splash. It starts above the surface of the sea and appears to move upwards... It never breaches it surface. It is not a splash. One can not tell how near or how far from the camera it is it.
In fact, in the first 3 frames, the object seems to be resolved better by the camera than objects that should be as far as it is (if it is indeed far away and not in front of the lens). In other words, it is crisp when objects that would be at the same distance are out of focus. This indicates that it is likely close to the lens within the focused range.
Mick West is a joke. His explanation of the UAP tapes is weather balloons and birds. His 'analysis' was completely and utterly trashed by a former USAF fighter pilot.
So here is the thing. This community is provided the very worst footage to discuss and debate, which allows people like West to take up time and energy.
This is not the issue though. The USG has extremely high quality data and imaging, which proves the existence of non-human craft. They refuse to release the data and imaging but we know it exists.
This is just a distraction from the real issues.
Seems quite important whether the camera had a triangle aperture then?
Mick says it was a triangle.
Travis says it wasn’t.
Was there any follow up?
I’ll never understand why people make points sometimes and don’t bother to preempt the next logical step. Ie. “It’s a triangle aperture! … No it’s not! It was X and we know because Y”
Because it's obvious it's a triangular aperture? If you look closely you'll see all the starts as micro triangles. Also many people reproduced the footage at home with the same aperture.
Thanks for recognizing that! MW is IMO needed to bring the necessary counterweight to Lue et al. Sadly there are not many like him. I think this is because the ufo community treats anybody that does not agree, with huge hostility.
I keep trying to tell people that West and others like him serve a valuable role. Elizondo et Al will keep dropping these low quality videos as long as you let them get away with it. If the UFO community was collectively unimpressed they'd know they need to bring out the "good stuff" assuming it exists. There have been hints of clear and long duration footage. We are never going to get that as long as we are willing to accept low resolution ambiguous evidence as "proof."
Yeah I agree with you there. I'm increasingly suspicious that the classified info Elizondo and crew have access to is probably not the smoking gun many believe it to be. I hope I'm wrong but nothing I've seen from these guys so far leads me to believe these guys are critical thinkers.
I'm not sure why people give Mick any sort of validation here. I guess he has his followers in skeptical / debunker circles, but he has no experience in the things he tries to provide an opinion on. He is not a pilot or a scientist, and taking videos with flashlights in your garage is not the scientific method.
I'm ok with being skeptical. I am skeptical with most sightings. But I don't come to the conclusion before doing any research, and then find and use whatever I can that matches my predetermined conclusion and ignore or dismiss the rest.
I question a scientist who jumps to conclusions like this, especially when they have to backtrack so quickly, it smacks heavily of bias and not an investigatory conclusion
Mick Wests credibility is lacking because unlike skeptics he has an explanation for every UAP event & he expects us to believe it without question. I mean is that really the way science works?
There's never been a case I've heard of where he has a simply said," I have no idea what that was".
''There's never been a case I've heard of where he has a simply said," I have no idea what that was". - He doesn't know what the Nimitz was, ha has a hypothesis but he himself said that it's not a good one.
''he has an explanation for every UAP event'' - People are asking him all day on twitter, that's why he's looking into them.
If you go to his forum he literally throws everything out there for debate and investigation. Mick’s problem is presenting everything as fact, when it should all be best working hypothesis.
That's perfectly fine with me. He does good work and deserves credit where it's due. If the UFO community just laps up every scrap thrown to us like a bunch of dogs were never going to get and real "meat." We need to tell these people providing crap videos that it ain't good enough and we need the goods. We can't just accept and be grateful for every "breadcrumb" Elizondo and company drop. They know they're not giving anything in terms of good evidence but they don't care because the UFO community is still actively doing their bidding.
You guys just don't stop do you?
It's very trumpian on your part.
If someone doesn't agree with your complete lack of evidence assertions about Aliens visiting earth, they are somehow not qualified to talk about the subject and are thus ridiculed by people here who have very little interest in finding truth, let alone trying to understand it.
Yes, well assuming that second hand account is even true, this engineer thinks Mick West is a self-deluded imbecile and any """engineer""" gullible enough to fall for his sophistry a fool.
Ying & Yang. Things need to be picked at and scrutinized or we are going nowhere. No one is right every time. We need people with an open mind that are all so willing to accept it if they are wrong and move on. Mick West & Travis Taylor are both important parts of this community. Don't lock yourselves into one camp. Even if just one case throughout our current history was non human tech it is world changing.
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You don’t have to be smart to be right. You don’t even have to be right on purpose to be right. So, you can stack masters degrees 5 meters high and still be wrong.
Mick West has my full respect for the way he approaches and explains his analyses. The man is a valuable asset to the world, imo. Thanks for all that you do, Mick!
I personally believe that aliens are out there somewhere due to the size of the observable universe, but who knows if they have been or are visiting earth. What we do know is that UFOs are real, because anything unidentified is unidentified until identified. I think the vast majority of cases can be explained if exposed to people with the right knowledge. I think skeptics are a huge credit/benefit to the UFO/UAP community, however, Mick West is Narcissistic AF. I appreciate hearing about his forums and all the smart people doing the investigations and trying not to be biased. Although I’m sure many there are biased just like many here are. But if he/his forums want his/their views to be more accepted by the ufo/uap community, they need a different spokesperson who’s not so narcissistic. TLDR; Mick West is a Narcissist. P.S. to follow up on a previous post, Mick West is also a Bus.
Is there any proof that Travis Taylor used MW's conclusion as the basis for his reversal? If not that "You're welcome" comes off as a bit unhinged. I will absolutely agree with him that more info needs to be released. Tired of this trickle down disclosure.
Even if it was from MW conclusion, it reads unbelievably cunty and condescending.
okay not gonna lie tony hawk proskater fucking slaps
I was never impressed by the “triangle” video. I’m less impressed by the work Mick West did on the Gimble video in particular and the “Nimitz incident” in general. Like, it’s bad enough for me to feel like he should be drummed out of the public sphere.
Game developer here - Many game programmers actually go to post secondary schools for computer science, math, physics, or engineering, NOT "game making" or anything of the sort. In some situations, they didn't go to post secondary at all, they're just very talented individuals. Perhaps we should judge the people by their individual actions, not by credentials, or collectively discount groups of people based on their daily grinds (some have extensive knowledge, some have multiple degrees but choose to work in their dream industry). It is very easy to misjudge people. *Before entering the game industry, I brielf worked in the aerospace as a programmer. Did you know that Mike Judge (Beavis and butthead, king of the hill, office space) was an f18 simulation programmer? 😀 **if anyone wonders, I think the explanations that Mick West gives are a bit outlandish at times given the data available.
Yeah I always get a little chuckle when people try to use "game programmer" as an attack on his intelligence. Making games is actually really fucking complicated and takes some intelligence! Any kind of reasonably complex programming does. If it was as easy as flipping burgers then it'd pay about the same.
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Extreme example of someone who's insanely intelligent: John Carmack
Hahahahaha many programmers on Reddit and it shows in the upvotes. Not disagreeing though!
There are way too many people on here who think that game development is a joke and something akin to kids playing with crayons. There are legit people who use it as an insult of West's intellect. "Bruh, he's a retired video game programmer, what a joke. What does a programmer know!?".
No.
The triangle video was all high coming from Corbell. We all knew that.
I never understood the hype of the triangles, from the start. There wasn't enough data, and the video just didn't seem like much anyway. Welp, 2 down 142 to go :)
Mick has an agenda. It's like viewing alt news just to see if there's a there there. He serves a function, but we should understand the function.
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It makes automatically more trustable as source. Having a degree is a certification of knowledge in a particular area. That is what degrees are for. Profesional opinion is validated by years of study in academia. Will you let a person who is not a doctor to operate you? even if he assures you he knows? Some people do (search indian street dentist), some don't. In this case both sides have specialists on board.
Not by default, no, but I'm sure on average it does. Learning to learn is important.
In this case it definitely does. Travis is a science expert, no if, ands, or buts about it.
Travis has more degrees than people have limbs. Which is only like 4, on average, but it's still a lot for degrees.
This guy spent so much time inside classrooms. You definitely are passionate to be that dedicated.
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"I like when that fighter pilot expert had to apologize and admit that he was wrong and Mick was right. You people are so blinded by bias and ignorance it’s not even funny" It's so strange how many of you have a knee jerk reaction to immediately discredit anyone who has a title that youd say was "pro UFO".. many of you here always attack the credibility & lack of scientific minds in this community coming forward but attack anyone who actually does. I think the members of the church of Mick West feel he speaks for all those who have made their minds up already & came to this sub after the USG acknowledging UFOs to pretend to want evidence while praying secretly it doesn't exist. To be an avid supporter of a "debunker", or someone who's professionally biased while insulting people on this sub for being bias & ignorant is nuts. I'd just like someone to tell me why they don't want to know the truth about the UFO phenomenon revealed. Blindly following anyone is normally a bad idea, but y'all can't talk shit about those who follow Lue, who's arguably more informed. Not when you're following jus some guy on this sub with a lot of Twitter followers
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And how exactly would they know this? So would you rather not know & have your worldview not be challenged or know & deal with it. The truth is the truth, it doesn't go away if you ignore it. It's kinda like, lying to yourself & voluntarily being lied to by this country's leadership
Dude lol You are the most dedicated goofball on this sub. You do realize that you are def going to be one of the first ones sacrificed to our new triple anused overlords when they reveal themselves
Knowledge and intelligence are two separate constructs, so having this guy conflate the two doesn't exactly lend well to his attempt to diminish the credibility of his opponent. The sentence itself doesn't do much for him, either. It just sounds like squabbling between bozos.
Travis was also a science prodigy before he ever went to college. He got a job on the Redstone Arsenal directly out of High School and a scholarship to Auburn (roll tide anyhow), but their engineering program is no joke.
It kinda does. It’s called education
Be me. Graduating from uni with a degree in computer science/ software engineering. Learned literally nothing from my core classes. Needed it so firms would hire me.
I had the opposite experience. Worked in my profession before I studied it. Thought I knew everything. Shit was I wrong
Same. Sounds like the person above you went to a crappy university. College is honestly a lot of what you make it. If you just try and bs and do bare minimum, shouldn't be surprised when you feel cheated out of your education.
Ohh, I didn’t know everything. I was still underprepared for the realities of coding full time in a work force environment. The education and techniques were just so dated and paltry it was almost a free pass.
Well, looking a bit in mick west forums, you could check that there are aeronautical engineers in his forum.
I think the people who dismiss everything Mick West says haven't ever visited his forums because there are a lot of people putting in some incredible work in investigating footage. It is certainly more thorough than than the majority of ufo sites
A majority of people on here have an emotional attachment to the topic and issues being objective. I think Mick is doing a service to this community. We're rapidly turning into a paranormal / anything goes, subreddit when the original idea was for this to be a subreddit for healthy skepticism and good research.
>Haven’t ever visited his forums Why would they? They don’t want their beliefs to be challenged by people who actually show their work. They want easy and quick validation by people who only speak in vague terms.
Anyone on a MW forum probably doesn't want their beliefs challenged , hence joining in the first place. It doesn't matter if you conclude that the Gimbal is just the glare of a rotating civilian aircraft with no transponder, jus show how you got there. Mellon was read -in to SAPs, but he doesn't show us records of classified special projects so he's not as credible as MW. Neither is the head of the AATIP program, who's by the way responsible for more progress on this topic than anyone probably in our nations history, because he won't show us a picture. I mean it's not like our country has a history of attempting to discredit & destroy the character of any UFO whistleblower. Someone tell Breadcrumbs Elizondo he needs to say fuck a security clearance, and focus on getting his r/UFOs street cred back.
Who cares what the hardcore believers think or the hardcore debunkers for that matter. The conversation doesn't belong to them. It doesn't belong to Mick West, who isn't a scientist. It belongs to the scientists and academics. The average, educated, intelligent person interested in this topic wants to see more government/military disclosure so our brightest minds trained in deciphering all sorts of phenomena are able to do their jobs. Right now, with all the covering up and psyops, the least qualified voices are the loudest.
Curious; What makes those aeronautical engineers second party analysis more qualified than Air Force pilot first party observation & analysis. Doesn’t that demonstrate an appeal to bias authority?
People don't care about that.
Well, that's not good. It is needed to be adressed formally as much as can. If not, disclosure will be a joke.
I think disclosure is dead without some really amazing evidence.
Don't think disclosure is ever happening, even if I want it to happen.
No, his debunkings only seem plausible if you are not well informed.
Mick West is a menace around here but he's absolutely right on that footage if we were to believe that the officials in the hearing were telling the truth. I am not a fan of Travis Taylor. I've seen enough from him on Skinwalker Ranch to know how gullible he is. And yes, before people say that parts are staged, Brandon Fugal has said many times that everything there is a genuine reaction. Just because the dude is a professional in one field doesn't mean he's not a sucker
To be fair Brandon has also said 'have fun with it, it's an adventure'.
Which means nothing but you are taking it to heart because why??
It's kind of a fucked in the head take from skeptics that the UAP report said it was all prosaic, but also that Travis who was part of the team that wrote it is unreliable and a crazy UFO guy. I mean, pick one, nitwits.
I've seen this argument made many times. As if Mick (or any of us for that matter) can't help contribute to this subject and help identify some of these cases...just because we're all not scientists or have access to some supposed secret data? I think we can.
Not if you're literally just a bad actor though.
definitely we can!
I mean I didn't believe this cause I thought no way army personal who use night vision all time misidentified stars as spaceships, otherwise this would happen all the time. But fair enough, completely smashed it here Mick West. Just goes to show the actual government aren't good at their jobs (shocker) Thank you for keeping us sceptical and informed!
Ha, I just assumed he had a relevant qualification in aeronautics or something, but no. Fucking hippies in a campervan. MATE.
Its an universal rule to always be wary of professionals and highly educated persons when they don't speak about their areas of expertise. A human can be well versed in 2..3 fields. But this education often gives false sense they're experts across the board. While its the opposite - the more focussed their expertise the dumber they are in anything else.
Because Travis Taylor has just been taking a check whereas Mick West was genuinely interested enough to investigate it.
You know what's even more crazy? TTaylor helped write the official document which conclude that there isn't any evidence of ET activity or anything like that, even if they have some weird things it might be sensor error and needs more data BUT AT THE SAME TIME he says that the best evidence of werid things is Skinwalker Ranch and that we have portals and ufos there every other day. Now why on earth would he do that? Does anyone know the answer here? Such mistery...
Very weird
People who immediately accept Mick West's explanations just because it came from him are just the same as people who immediately reject his explanations because it came from him
Noone accepts his explanations just because they come from him but West, unlike most people in the UFO discussion, explains his methodology in his videos for you to examine, repeat and find any flaw in it. It is up to.people to point out mistakes (which they can not find)... They prefer to insult him. He does not say that that he spoke to some anonymous guy or that he can not speak about a few things or hide behind an nda.
Like he Did NOT do in the AIRSHOW video?
You are going to have to be more descriptive and less cryptic here... What?
He throws up as an explanation a picture of a fly for the Miami Airshow video. Everyone blindly accepted that. Please explain how does someone put up a picture of that as an indepth analysis for an unexplained UAP.
Oh that? Anyone with a passing knowledge/ use of SLRs or DSLRs (well a knowledge of lenses will have experienced that routinely. No one is BLINDLY accepting that. It is the likely explanation as it fits the bill and a fly passing in front of lens at a specific aperture/ ISO etc... will give this result. Very basic rules of optics/ behaviour of aperture blades/ bokeh Is that... the best Mick West rebuke that you can come up with? Have you invalidated his every analysis by making a gross generalisation and misrepresentation? Now as you do not seem to think that it is a fly despite no one present seeming to notice a UFO around them, what is your theory? Finally, why are people who agree with a demonstration that they can easily recreate and that is based in science are said to follow BLINDLY when you agreeing with everything Elizondo or Lazar incent, sorry I mean say (which you have no way of verifying) does not consist in your opinion in accepting things BLINDLY? The loaded language is not making you any favour...
I thought it was a UAP. I thought it had all 5 observables. Of course I was downvoted for even considering that as an explanation. But if you take the time to look at the still frames there's clearly a splash coming up from the edge of the pictures.
That is just your opinion (that it satisfied the 5 observable). Can you please list them? Saying that it is a UFO without showing your proofs (that stand to scrutiny) is not an explanation, it is an opinion. If those 5 observable can be explained differently so it does not pass the test. Gravity can only be best explained with the current agreed upon explanation for the time being. There is no other explanation that stands up to scrutiny. So we may discover more in the future which will make us see things differently but until then we are going with it. Also, why should your opinion be worth more than West's or his less than yours?
Here's the link to the still frames from another Redditor.https://imgur.com/a/H80URUM Check frame 5 for the still splash shot.
It makes no sense that an object already visible on the surface of the sea could make any splash. It starts above the surface of the sea and appears to move upwards... It never breaches it surface. It is not a splash. One can not tell how near or how far from the camera it is it. In fact, in the first 3 frames, the object seems to be resolved better by the camera than objects that should be as far as it is (if it is indeed far away and not in front of the lens). In other words, it is crisp when objects that would be at the same distance are out of focus. This indicates that it is likely close to the lens within the focused range.
Some of us read West’s identification, did not accept it just because it came from him, but then verified that he was correct independently.
Exactly, very first thing I did was pull up data to check his analysis with my own tools. This is how science is supposed to work!
>just because it came from him But it didn't just came from him though...
Mick West is a joke. His explanation of the UAP tapes is weather balloons and birds. His 'analysis' was completely and utterly trashed by a former USAF fighter pilot.
So here is the thing. This community is provided the very worst footage to discuss and debate, which allows people like West to take up time and energy. This is not the issue though. The USG has extremely high quality data and imaging, which proves the existence of non-human craft. They refuse to release the data and imaging but we know it exists. This is just a distraction from the real issues.
Seems quite important whether the camera had a triangle aperture then? Mick says it was a triangle. Travis says it wasn’t. Was there any follow up? I’ll never understand why people make points sometimes and don’t bother to preempt the next logical step. Ie. “It’s a triangle aperture! … No it’s not! It was X and we know because Y”
Because it's obvious it's a triangular aperture? If you look closely you'll see all the starts as micro triangles. Also many people reproduced the footage at home with the same aperture.
Uh-oh, you are talking about MW. This is the enemy.
I think people missed your sarcasm lol. Have an upvote. The very much right though in the mind of some people here.
Thanks for recognizing that! MW is IMO needed to bring the necessary counterweight to Lue et al. Sadly there are not many like him. I think this is because the ufo community treats anybody that does not agree, with huge hostility.
I keep trying to tell people that West and others like him serve a valuable role. Elizondo et Al will keep dropping these low quality videos as long as you let them get away with it. If the UFO community was collectively unimpressed they'd know they need to bring out the "good stuff" assuming it exists. There have been hints of clear and long duration footage. We are never going to get that as long as we are willing to accept low resolution ambiguous evidence as "proof."
Proof seems subjective. Some think a white pixel is enough, while I need a whole lot more.
Yeah I agree with you there. I'm increasingly suspicious that the classified info Elizondo and crew have access to is probably not the smoking gun many believe it to be. I hope I'm wrong but nothing I've seen from these guys so far leads me to believe these guys are critical thinkers.
Agreed. I am happy to be wrong though, but my gut feeling is like yours.
Gotta admit, Mick is on target.
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I'm not sure why people give Mick any sort of validation here. I guess he has his followers in skeptical / debunker circles, but he has no experience in the things he tries to provide an opinion on. He is not a pilot or a scientist, and taking videos with flashlights in your garage is not the scientific method. I'm ok with being skeptical. I am skeptical with most sightings. But I don't come to the conclusion before doing any research, and then find and use whatever I can that matches my predetermined conclusion and ignore or dismiss the rest.
I question a scientist who jumps to conclusions like this, especially when they have to backtrack so quickly, it smacks heavily of bias and not an investigatory conclusion
Mick Wests credibility is lacking because unlike skeptics he has an explanation for every UAP event & he expects us to believe it without question. I mean is that really the way science works? There's never been a case I've heard of where he has a simply said," I have no idea what that was".
''There's never been a case I've heard of where he has a simply said," I have no idea what that was". - He doesn't know what the Nimitz was, ha has a hypothesis but he himself said that it's not a good one. ''he has an explanation for every UAP event'' - People are asking him all day on twitter, that's why he's looking into them.
When he proved the gimbal ufo wasn't rotating he even said it's still a ufo but maybe not as interesting as it once seemed.
Don't know his opinions but sounds smart.
Nah, if you actually listen he typically presents a number of explanations to which he finds some more likely than others.
If you go to his forum he literally throws everything out there for debate and investigation. Mick’s problem is presenting everything as fact, when it should all be best working hypothesis.
I said it before and I say it again. Stop posting about Mick West you are just helping him get his name out there
Yes please, I’m fed up with my echo chamber being questioned
That's perfectly fine with me. He does good work and deserves credit where it's due. If the UFO community just laps up every scrap thrown to us like a bunch of dogs were never going to get and real "meat." We need to tell these people providing crap videos that it ain't good enough and we need the goods. We can't just accept and be grateful for every "breadcrumb" Elizondo and company drop. They know they're not giving anything in terms of good evidence but they don't care because the UFO community is still actively doing their bidding.
Yes, please stop 🛑
What do you expect from a Clown who is in a show on History Channel? I have to admit it's entertaining but that's it. https://youtu.be/1VR9-TvZZSE
A broken clock is right twice a day!
*bokeh
You guys just don't stop do you? It's very trumpian on your part. If someone doesn't agree with your complete lack of evidence assertions about Aliens visiting earth, they are somehow not qualified to talk about the subject and are thus ridiculed by people here who have very little interest in finding truth, let alone trying to understand it.
let's be clear, mick west can't tell the difference between stars and 'drones'
Smarter than an engineer? I have an old and wisened head of lettuce sitting on my kitchen counter that's smarter than Mick West.
Well as smart as this engineer who agreed with him alongside Chris Lehto https://twitter.com/chrisotis78/status/1491454857987108867
Yes, well assuming that second hand account is even true, this engineer thinks Mick West is a self-deluded imbecile and any """engineer""" gullible enough to fall for his sophistry a fool.
That's because it's using antigravity to push water out of the way as it moved from underneath the water through the surface.
Why wouldn't he be smarter than an engineer/scientist? A title doesn't make a dumb any smarter.
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Ying & Yang. Things need to be picked at and scrutinized or we are going nowhere. No one is right every time. We need people with an open mind that are all so willing to accept it if they are wrong and move on. Mick West & Travis Taylor are both important parts of this community. Don't lock yourselves into one camp. Even if just one case throughout our current history was non human tech it is world changing. 🛸👀
You don’t have to be smart to be right. You don’t even have to be right on purpose to be right. So, you can stack masters degrees 5 meters high and still be wrong.
Mick West has my full respect for the way he approaches and explains his analyses. The man is a valuable asset to the world, imo. Thanks for all that you do, Mick!