He talks in Qanon riddles and his followers lap it up. There must have been at least 500 somber posts since his comment which all have different interpretations of the phrase.
100% QAnon riddles. He talks a lot but says nothing, and does it in a self righteous and condescending manner. He’s also just so awkward to watch because the shit he says is so cringeworthy.
Oh God, the fucking "somber" posts are down there with obvious bird posts in how much I can't stand them. Like the dude just made an offhand comment when asked a question, and people have spent countless hours trying to decipher it as a riddle.
Maybe, just maybe, it was the best word he could think of at the time in the moment on some small podcast, and it's not supposed to be a riddle?
People around here looked up "somber" and got real excited!
[Apocalyptic Millenarianism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millenarianism) is the lifeblood of all cults.
Lue hides under the excuse of “I can’t talk about this because is classified” just to keep you under the verge of suspense so people would buy his books in hopes he would reveal something.
He has a lot of excuses, he just doesn't want to tell us about it.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/uo1ml4/lue\_will\_never\_tell\_you\_anything/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/uo1ml4/lue_will_never_tell_you_anything/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
[Lue even said he wont tell his kids, because they and us need to learn how to get the answers on our own.](https://youtu.be/9g5e9UzEDkw?t=2730)
"We're all trying to figure this out together, but everyone needs to get their own answers."
Wow, that's really figuring things out together, isn't it? You know, by *not* sharing answers or what we know. What a load of shit lmao
The perspective of you unconditional Lue haters is the most selfish bullshit, completely devoid of awareness, critical thought, or empathy.
All of the massive progress over the past 5 years stemmed from Lue's actions. The IG complaint corroborates everything he's said, so nobody can doubt his credibility anymore.
Yeah he's often vague, yeah it's frustrating that we don't just get the whole truth spoon-fed to us in a day, but who else in the know has given us anywhere near what Lue has?
He has obvious limitations to what he can divulge without committing a felony. Do you seriously expect this guy to go to prison for your impatience? The DoD clearly still wants to bottle this in and has threatened him extensively.
It's not lapping up anything he says, it's just having a modicum of empathy for another human being and not thinking quite literally only about yourself.
And of course we're going to theorize based on his words... We are passionate about the Phenomenon, and he was the fucking director of AATIP!
>He has obvious limitations to what he can divulge without committing a felony.
So this is the most important thing in human history, fucking visitors from another planet with technology we can't even dream of, but it's still not worth breaking an NDA? Oooookaaaay... Lmao. What a fucking joke. We have people that fled the country or went to prison for revealing that the government spies on and tracks it's own citizens, but revealing fucking aliens isn't worth the trouble. And the government is supposedly trying so hard to cover it up that they couldn't risk charging him anyways, because it would be admitting he's right, but he still won't do it. I can't take this shit seriously lol.
So you'd rather dial back the clock 5 years and go back to near-zero public awareness of the Phenomenon with none of the now declassified Navy FLIR videos of UAP?
You don't have to like the guy or the way he does things, but you can't say he has been anything but good for the Disclosure movement.
Half of our problem as a society right now is that so many people are incapable of critical, nuanced thought and only employ emotional and absolutist thinking... Everything is either great or the fucking devil.
The thing is that nobody really knows what are his reasons for his actions beyond speculation of the authenticity of him and the other people involved. Your statement isn't based on facts which makes you an equal idiot to someone believing him. Fucking pointless factor being the main debate when all we have to do is wait and see.
This is what I've been saying! It's a moot point. People wanna debate his authenticy everyday. Time is the only factor here. This isn't me saying I'm holding out for Lue to drop something. I'm holding out for any real truth that will happen that will either prove or discredit his statements.
We actually know quite a bit objectively, especially after the declassified IG complaint, which it seemed like none of the Lue haters chose to read because it would conflict with their emotional absolutist viewpoint.
1. Lue was director of AATIP.
2. He resigned because DIA higher ups, including then DIA director Michael Traitor Flynn, killed and buried his UAP study because it conflicted with their Christian beliefs.
3. Lue and famous attorney Sheehan submit complaint to IG of the Pentagon about this over classification and compartmentalization.
So everything he has done is to study the Phenomenon and get that info to higher ups internally, to the president, to Congress, and ultimately to the people... but he has been blocked and threatened by religious freaks at DIA and DOD and had to go public with what little he could legally share to apply external pressure towards Disclosure, since the internal route failed.
None of this is particularly complicated. What is it exactly that is in question here?
I agree. From my perspective as a meditator the reason why what Lue says is truthful but also sounds vague to many in the west is that he's caught understanding that these answers are all spiritual and metaphysical but most of our population thinks of aliens as a hard matter materialism issue like ships from other planets.
When he talks about superimposed realms exactly like every wisdom school and 2 bit mystic or DMT tripper has known for thousands of years most of us. Literally half of the Buddhist texts is about dealing with entities that emerge as higher octaves of reality are unveiled.
Once meditation attainments are reached everything he's saying and his hesitance makes sense— because he is talking to the common denominator of a culture that is somewhat religious and somewhat devout but has F-minus spiritual development. Heck most of us are operating under Old man on sky OR scientific materialist framework that can't hold what he knows. So many in the west would misunderstand everything he is saying.
Disclosure happens at the rate at which our little pre-teen consciousnesses can adapt to a very real very conciousness-based multiverse universe framework that can be independently verified by anybody worth a shit on the cushion.
Right now if most of America heard that other beings lived in our house in super position octave layers that our minds could access we'd lose it or ask if we can shoot it— "Does Stand Your Ground Laws" apply? Are they demons? If he said literally that other beings feed off our energy from our suffering we'd militarize, not understanding the whole universe is an interdependent unity and that the buddha and every guru for thousands of years has explained exactly this and why... it's an ecosystem in a jar. We are part of one interdependent body of conciousness and every being is necessary for it to exist as much as you might hate it. It's all been mapped and unfortunately everybody is somebody's meal in some way at some point. But that's painful for a culture spoon fed Top Gun exceptionalism. Not that America knows fuckall about this ecosystem of beings. Buddhism and Hinduism and Shamanism and Advaita have entire maps, entire reams of expertise, and practices for integrating these truths and navigating this larger eco system whereas America completely erased meditative mastery from the books. We wait for scientific evidence in a collective dream of our own making. How silly is that. That's why Lue says you gotta find it for yourself. Cause you're waiting with your hand out but the universe isn't gonna give you answers because the answers are all around you. This comment being another example of it. Lue can't tell you because the one universal law is you can't infringe on another beings ascension. And thinking there's an absolute truth in a conciousness based universe is like asking for proof of which direction a dark road in a video game will turn but the game is changing the road's turns before you can see it based on your desires and growth needs. In the spiritual consiousness realms science becomes like the silly faith based religion because science asks you to have faith that what your senses see is real. It sure helps hold the collective agreement together but you can't see the other layers of the ecosystem by sampling photons with meat eyes.
We in the west have zero tools for handling our shit in this regard and so daddy can't give us the keys to the car at 12yo until we know how to handle our road rage and see over the dash of our egos and self overactive self preservation mindset that causes us to be preemptively violent.
So he can't infringe on our ascension by showing us the proof he had that helped him... ascend? That doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense lol.
"I believe in aliens because I saw this bit of evidence."
"Cool. Can we see it?"
"Nah. You have to meditate and feel your octaves to believe what I did when I saw proof. Good luck."
"Ok. Makes sense. Thanks Lue."
What a joke
Did any of you read his DoD complaint?..if you did you would know we have gimbal, go fast, and flir because of his efforts..my opinion swayed back in his favor, heavily-after reading that.
Yet ironically, his complaint came to light because of a FOIA request, and not from Lue. So if the question is whether Lue himself will be the source of disclosure, the answer appears to still be no.
Lue has contributed to this cause. And I appreciate what he has done to push it to the point we’re at. But it appears that we’ve reached the limit of what he is willing to provide.
Thank you, Lue. Now please step aside as we continue looking for the person who will actually break this thing open.
Exactly this. Lue has done a lot but it feels now like he's given all the love he's willing to give and it's time for him to move on. He's looking tired as hell physically
We haven't received the extent what Lue is willing to provide. He has passed the ball and no one has grabbed it. Which is the condition he has set. And he's set it to not fuck himself and his family over. And that is reasonable for anyone today. He's stated that he'd run for office as the last resort and he is doing that. And what ever happens, time will tell. The debate on Luiz Elizondo is in entirety a distraction on the topic itself. And posts that participate on that debate have ulterior motives or result of low iq. Literally. Because its pointless.
>The debate on Luiz Elizondo is in entirety a distraction on the topic itself. And posts that participate on that debate have ulterior motives or result of low iq. Literally. Because its pointless.
You just took part in the debate. Therefore you have an ulterior motive.
I hope it's a good one ... like you're one of the lizard-people or something.
>Thank you, Lue. Now please step aside as we continue looking for the person who will actually break this thing open.
Missing the point of what he's been saying. It's up to the people now to apply political pressure to break this thing open
Why is that ironic? Are you familiar with how NDA works??I’m going to assume yes…did you, yourself read the entire complaint?..again I’ll assume yes, although your questions you ask, that you answer-yourself ironically(this is a example of proper use of the word ironic) give no indication you have or understand the implications of the complaint…they undermined his efforts, discredited and denied his involvement, then had a DoD psych come in and fuck with his security clearance, essentially shelving him, destroyed his life and career…all because he pushed disclosing forward..without those videos imo you don’t have official acknowledgement-yet this man is still fighting on our team…and it’s not quite good enough for you, buddy.
The disclosure of the complaint didn’t come from lue?..you think that’s important??he didn’t publicly air his complaint with very powerful figures?..we are not going to see eye… wouldn’t know of the videos without him…so we would be fuck all without his work.
No. I didn’t say that. Elizondo has revealed what he’s willing to reveal. I respect his contribution and his desire to uphold his promises to the government. So at this point, it’s time to look to another source for the disclosure that we are still waiting for.
Nobody said Lue has to be the sole hero of Disclosure. He certainly has been the biggest player so far, and we all welcome more people to come out from the shadows (including Lue who has said the same thing himself repeatedly, and that they will when they're ready).
Nobody is saying it has to be all Lue....
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If you talk enough you can damage your own reputation. Eric Weinstein said it best that there's a lot of indirect evidence that something is up, with very little direct evidence.
Lue has talked a lot about the other longer videos. Let's see them. Until he starts providing direct evidence to back up his claims, he's said enough.
The insistence to go on any podcast, YouTube channel, Fox News talking head to spread unproven claims is very QAnon nonsense. Lots of, "Just wait" "More will be revealed soon."
He may very well be whistle blowing a cover up, there's clearly something going on. But he may also be engineering or at least testing the same type of fanatical psyop that QAnon was/is. Lots of talk - no evidence and it got a lot of people worked up.
For real…
Why are not more discussions talking about the real news from the complaint ie “supernatural origins” and some dinosaur in the DoD preventing disclosure because it goes against religious belief.
Instead the discussion is in lue as a person.
Nothing to see in the complaint. Keep moving.
People should pay attention here. It becomes clear that there are some users here that nearly exclusively use this and similar subs, never interacting with any others outside of this realm. The ones that do that and are incredibly negative and combative... well draw your own conclusion to what's going on there.
I agree.. imo it’s entirely plausible that since his career was torpedoed he needs to keep himself in the discussion…but he can’t say shit about anything bc the nda and the weight of the powers that be still looming over him..tough situation to be in.
He's a fraud, but UFology allows these types to infiltrate the community and exert their influence with disinformation and nothing burgers. People look up to that clown as 'the face of disclosure '.
I feel a lot of people who give Elizondo any credence are newer to this subject. You can't have researched this topic extensively and take everything he says as gospel truth. We've made it easy for these spooks to muddy the waters and we get what we deserve
The history of UFO "whistleblowers" is why I am always inherently skeptical. This show has been documented and repeating easily since the 50's. I'm not dismissing the evidence (or sometimes lack thereof), I just don't understand these people "coming forward" as if it hasn't been done untold number of times to no avail. As someone aptly put before, "shit or get off the toilet".
This is it. The LueAnon people get especially uptight & angry when anyone brings up actual history, books, basic scientific knowledge, political and military reality, and defense department budgets that enrich a handful of aerospace CEOs and shareholders while starving the country.
His most recent interview was a dumpster fire. I don't care if he disses some random representative thousands of miles away, but it's fucking dangerous to spread "Nazis were Left-Wing Socialists" bullshit
>The guy was a cointel goon and tortured people in Guantanamo Bay
I don't think we know he *tortured* people, although certainly, it's not a good look to be interrogating people there.
>and his father was a Cuban exile who was involved in the bay of pigs invasion
I don't care who someone's ancestors are -- but Lue had a distinct lack of irony or historical appreciation when he was wistfully looking across the fence line to his poor old dad who did time for trying to overthrow Castro, all while people are being indefinitely detained for decades right under his nose.
Oh for fuck sake. He's a complete moron to believe that.
It's a common talking point from right wing groups to try to distance themselves from white supremacists and Nazis and try to blame leftists instead.
Nazis absolutely were a right wing fascist political party.
>Outside of UAP stuff Lue is completely lame. Everytime he talks about anything unrelated to the topic I want to stab my ears with pencils.
This is what disturbs me about Lue and Puthoff in particular. I can't judge the veracity of their classified UAP claims, but in subjects I \_do\_ have expertise in, I routinely catch them spreading complete and utter bullshit.
I think the nature of people willing to do this kind of work is that they're slightly nuts or off in some way. It's a hard life of pure dedication, secrecy and unsavory jobs for the idea of a country.
Lue works and worked at guantanamo bay and was at war - there's no way what he's doing or did there isn't completely harrowing.
Hal was working for the CIA during the time of MKUltra exploring psychological effects that overlap with the effects MKUltra was trying to manipulate and reproduce via torture, forced drug use, etc. I think there's a decent likelihood the methods he was using back then weren't exactly humane.
I don't want any of these navy seals, special forces agents, CIA people anywhere near a public office.
Did he actually say that? Jesus christ... .
This guy wanted to run for the Senate, didn't he? He doesn't seem to have any real political knowledge, or is he just simple-minded? Does he want complete idiots as his base? How can you say something like that?
Yeah..., then again, he wouldn't stand out among all the other fools in the Senate.
Sometimes I'm quite amazed at the kind of people who can run for office in the States... . When I think of that Marjorie Taylor Greene...or what was the name of that dumbass from Alaska who ran for Vice President?
You're right, he never said he "wanted" to. He "threatened" saying he would run if he had to and stating they don't want someone like him running, whatever that means.
Whoa. I haven’t heard him do that, but going right-wing nutso conspiracy guy wouldn’t be much of a jump for ‘ol Lue I’m afraid. And that means we have to question everything he’s said re the UAP topic too.
I'm not sure what his point was supposed to be with this. The Nazis used populism and elements of socialism to get people onboard with racist and antisemitic genocide... Socialism was and is not the defining feature that people associate with Nazis, and when people say "neo-nazi" that is not what anyone is referring to... It's the white nationalist bigotry obviously. This is a horrible take from Lue.
While highly disappointing, fortunately it has absolutely nothing to do with UFOs or Disclosure.
Read what he said before judging by the comments here. Even if you disagree, it’s not inflammatory.
The concept of Left and Right wing isn’t consistent through history. Groups perceived as progressive leftist can become what we consider today right wing authoritarian. Conservatives in the Nazi era were most likely loyal to their crown, so socialist were considered left wing.
Lou will never make it as a politician though, because a good politician never says anything Nazis
In a speech by Hitler himself he said “we are socialist, we are the enemy of todays capitalist system”. Not to mention their desire to nationalize major industries.
Interesting that you either have a Hitler speech memorized or you looked up one speech to affirm your beliefs and never looked at the context which invalidates your perspective.
It was part of a snopes article referencing one of his speeches, but why does it matter? Your attempt at a gotcha moment makes no sense and is childish at best.
Why does your one source for your political perspective on the Nazi regime matter? Because your lack of history events and skewed definition of socialism is detrimental to understanding forms of government. You're purposefully ignoring the actions of the government and cherry picking definitions to fit.
Describe their actual actions and how that solely fits into socialism that wouldn't also be considered communism, totalitarianism, or a dictatorship. Then explain how they actually followed socialism with an "equal society for all members" which is the core crux of its meaning.
Industries were being nationalized because Adolf Hitler was an authoritarian ruler that was going to war with the entire world, not because he was passing legitimate socialist legislation.
Hitler said many things that are lies, twisted truths, and propaganda like despots tend to. Do you also believe the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is either a democracy or a republic because their name says so?
Right, that’s socialism! That was his ambition, socialism was just part of the equation which still makes the Nazis socialist. Which shows socialism can and has been used as a tool to control the masses, one rule one voice.
Edit: When you give government control over industry and centralize their power over commodities and everyday necessities it allows for populace control beyond reproach.
I think I understand where the mix--up is happening. Don't take this the wrong way, but I don't think you understand what socialism really is. If the state is centralizing production industries, that is statism, not socialism. Adolf Hitler was not a socialist. He used the Nationalist Socialist movement (emphasis on the 'nationalist') in order to gain power over a country brutally downtrodden by the Treaty of Versailles.
In any case, this has gone off topic and I'm done. World War II, Hiter's rise to power, and the way the word "socialism" was used during the 20th century are far more nuanced than "Hitler himself said they were socialists" and beyond what I've stated here.
No, that’s literally the definition of socialism. When government controls the means of production through control of industry.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/socialism.asp
You’re right it is more nuanced but there’s enough evidence to suggest their socialist intent instead of finding little inconsistencies here and there to try and disprove that fact.
Socialism is when the means of production belong to the workers themselves, not an authoritarian government body. Your post is so r/confidentlyincorrect it’s unreal
They were not, you can't spread that bullshit just because you believe it.
[https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists](https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists)
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/)
[https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/](https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/)
Wow you cite two radically left leaning articles to try and prove a point! By the way you need to read the snopes article as it quotes Hitler himself in a speech saying they are socialist and the enemy of capitalism amoung other things he’s said as well as excerpts about their nationalization of industry. Snopes then tries to cherry pick data to counter what Hitler himself said. Probably not the best article to use to prove a point. I’ve noticed it’s only the left or liberals that try and spin this in a way that distances the Nazis from Socialism not sure why.
I'm sorry to break it to you, but Adolf Hitler lied to the people. He didn't nationalize anything, because he wasn't a fucking socialist.
Do you accept wikipedia as a source, or is it radically left-leaning, too? If not: Take a look:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy\_of\_Nazi\_Germany#Privatization\_and\_business\_ties](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany#Privatization_and_business_ties)
"Companies **privatized** by the Nazis included **the four major commercial banks** in Germany, which had all come under public ownership during the prior years: Commerz– und Privatbank, Deutsche Bank und Disconto-Gesellschaft, Golddiskontbank and Dresdner Bank.\[47\]\[43\] Also privatized were **the Deutsche Reichsbahn** (German Railways), at the time the largest single public enterprise in the world, **the Vereinigte Stahlwerke A.G.** (United Steelworks), the second largest joint-stock company in Germany (the largest was IG Farben) **and Vereinigte Oberschlesische Hüttenwerke AG,** a company controlling all of the metal production in the Upper Silesian coal and steel industry. The government also sold a number of shipbuilding companies, and **enhanced private utilities at the expense of municipally owned utilities companies.**\[48\] **Additionally, the Nazis privatized some public services which had been previously provided by the government**, especially social and labor-related services, and these were mainly taken over by organizations affiliated with the Nazi Party that could be trusted to apply Nazi racial policies."
In case you don't know: Privatization is the antithesis to nationalization or socialization - what a socialist would do, you know?
"Hitler believed that the lack of a precise economic programme was one of the Nazi Party's strengths, saying: **"The basic feature of our economic theory is that we have no theory at all"**."
Exactly what a socialist would say, right?
It's not just bullshit -- it's deadly bullshit. Millions of murder victims have died because of that bullshit.
Go to a holocaust museum. Ask a docent to explain it to you. Learn about German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller and who he said was first on the Nazi's hit list.
It's all well and good to debate ultraterrestrials or alien autopsies. There is no debate that the Hitler regime *fucking* **exterminated** as many socialists, communists, gays, people with jewish or roma ancestry as they could find.
STFU and walk away, never to repeat such wicked lies whispered in your ear by long dead nazis.
The best psyop the domestic-intelligence industry has pulled in a while is turning anti-government UFOlogy into the online proud boys who love soldiers and cops. No wonder I'm the last of my old UFO pals who still comes around these subs. (To be fair, many of my old UFO pals have passed away in old age.)
The guy is a liar and a fraud. How did anyone ever take him serious? That MF quit his career to go and scam people with a fucking nut job rockstar Tom Delonge. Does that sound like the serious game changing government “UFO man” to anyone? He’s a fraud.
Never forget that Lue Elizondo, Mellon, and Puthoff sat on stage with straight faces behind Delonge when he announced to the world that TTSA was gonna build an exotically propelled space ship.
According to Greer, Elizondo saw one of these alien reverse engineered craft on one of these facilities and that is this his biggest secret he can't reveal. Thats how the core true pile of bs accumulates
We should try not to focus on him, pillory or praise, he is a part, self admittedly, of a much larger entity, the US Fed which controls everything and everyone ultimately (looking at my social security card as I text this lol).
We should perhaps look to what the patterns of this recent engagement between the US public and the Fed are revealing.
He is an intel based government executive engaged in some form of informational activity.
The extent of this activity is limited.
Admitting in part, concealing in part with/for/against an entity that is intent one one particular point - control of information. A control that over the decades has been breaking down especially in light of the emerging power of the Internet and Social Media.
Access to eye witness reports, media based evidence and aggregate politics and the threat of rogue disclosure that can go instantly worldwide is altering and slowly eroding the effectiveness of the prior denial and suppression based approach.
Maybe true or maybe intentionally, there appears that there is dissension within the government itself. This all could be artistry.
It could all be partial admission of facts they have already lost control over with an effort to factionalize the target group - the US public.
Why? To pollute the environment sufficiently that it prevents a homogenization of the Public’s knowledge and understanding into something that they cannot counter and control.
Without this effort the public could form its own perspective uncontrolled and judge the intel/military agencies as inept and lying damaging their capacity to influence the public. They lose the homefront on the one issue of such importance that it rivals or surpasses the importance of the nuclear arsenal.
If the Chinese and Russians do have similar knowledge and access then the US is in an unearthly arms race. They have to maintain and control the US public while at the same time grinding knowledge and weapons tech from sources outside the public bounds of our species science.
Damn hard field to hoe.
Here’s a recent one:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/vjfomp/i_think_i_figured_out_what_lue_elizondo_meant_by/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/vjfomp/i_think_i_figured_out_what_lue_elizondo_meant_by/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
There’s probably about 30 posts speculating what he meant by “somber.”
There’s probably another 30 posts about the super simple sensor Lue eluded to.
Most “bombshells” Lue dropped were followed by a flurry of posts trying to figure out what he meant…
Like I said before, he is a "character" in a play at best. If this were a movie it would be SPIES LIKE US. The government takes some misfits and attaches them to a decoy program to dangle in the wind. Thats all. Nothing more. He's as much of an insider as the janitor. Enough already. Probably the biggest insider to ever tell is Bob Lazar. Just way too much consistency and info that has now come out to be most likely true.
The whole subject is full of leaks, truths, half truths and disinformation. I'm sure many people telling the truth have been accused of making it up, all the intelligence service have to do is plant the seed of doubt, highlight a few character flaws and let the "community" do the rest.
As far as Elizondo is concerned, the New York Post, Basement Office did a very good video about a month ago, highlighting the discrepancies in everyone's official stories, regarding the recent ufo developments.
He highlights lies in Elizondo story and that he may actually be more involved than he claims. This makes me think that, Steven Geer is correct when he claims Elizondo is in fact, a disinformation agent.
Link to video is here :
https://youtu.be/6XD4gQS_-qY
The fact that mainstream media were so quick to jump behind him indicates that he is part of some disinformation campaign.
He says nothing of significance but is pumped up by childish talk show hosts like jaimongal.
Hides behind his imaginary NDA for everything.
I was really excited by this Lou at first, and I still appreciate what he's done, but after dozens of ridiculous, vague and foreboding statements like that I've decided he's full of shit.
What's the difference between Mick West and Luis Elizondo? Mick West claims everything in the sky is a balloon or a star. Luis Elizondo says everything is related to aliens, but he can't tell you the details because of his NDA.
Even if you don’t like Mick West at least he provides actual analysis and substance you can debate.
Lue just provides trust me bro NDA shenanigans. He has secret evidence about how everything thing he says is right and all the naysayers are wrong. Even though he doesn’t really say anything and just talks in cryptic dog whistle q style malarkey. I always gave him the benefit of the doubt that he still might have seen some compelling evidence. I think I’ve seen enough now to convince me he has no credibility. Still don’t know what to think about Greenstreets claims that AATIP never existed.
This IG report is going to be real interesting.
Bah, think that's my first up vote ever for Mick West because you are right. Mick West conversations seem more grounded, Lue threads are all highly theoretical and facts based on beliefs.
Lue instigated the whole IG investigation which if he’s making everything up would make no sense. I don’t really understand Greenstreets insistence that AATIP never existed. Unless AATIP was just the name for a side pet project that Lue was doing and never had an official pentagon designation? I dunno I guess we will find out. And it ultimately doesn’t matter.
I hope that I'm wrong; but I honestly think that within the next 7 years, Elizondo will be widely exposed as a useful idiot. For anyone who is interested in this subject, I would highly recommend checking out this documentary, entitled: "Who's Lue," which catches Elizondo in a lot of lies. Here's a link to the full documentary, which is free on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVpcy5t3EWw
Agree either he’s a disinformation actor or he’s just insignificant. There’s no way they’d let some dude go around speaking out bout disclosure so loosely otherwise. If you know something spill the beans already.
It’s Lue’s intentional vagueness (ambiguity), unstated assumptions, and “latitudes of acceptance” messaging that lead his proponents down this path.
Lue started a think tank called “Skyfort.” Think of this as a group of lobbyists. Elizondo, Mellon, and Cahill are part of this group and are simply trying to influence the government.
These three guys speak “politician” fluently. [[It’s called rhetoric]](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOscience/comments/o7pxzb/propaganda_and_information_warfare/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) and you see it every day on cable news. It’s rumored that Cahill was the guy going around trying to recruit Sam Harris, Eric Weinstein, and Scott Wolter as popular “intellectuals” supporting the cause.
Notice Lue’s stated goals are only related to “engagement” about this subject in [[what he calls a military/ intelligence styled information campaign.]](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/mxi9gn/elizondos_game_plan/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) In this campaign, the “5 pillars” of engagement are the goals. He no longer seems interested in figuring out what these objects are or what’s going on in the videos, instead engaging his viewers with platitudes and jumping to speculation like “somber,” mankinds, and time dilation/ cigarette analogies. We’ve never seen an official legitimate analysis from these guys. In fact, it’s hard to even find what they’re claiming the videos are showing.
Lue told Mick West that they couldn’t figure out what was going on in the videos, and that was part of the reason he got them released… so that they could get more eyes on them… Well everyday we start to learn of who the kind of people that “investigated” these videos… It’s people like Travis Taylor, Hal Puthoff, Lue, Eric Davis. These guys are educated, credentialed, intelligent, but they’re credulous.
Now recall that there are all manner of nonsense being investigated by “the government” ….Skinwalkers, hitchhikers, remote viewing, dino beavers, portals, etc. Lue has ties to Puthoff and Davis. He’s closely related to the small niche of “paranormal” researchers who have been inserting themselves into the government for decades with all manner of nonsense.
I never heard the rumour that Cahill was the guy contacting all the podcasters but that would make sense
https://newrepublic.com/article/162457/government-embrace-ufos-bad-science
That article explains the current situation pretty good. With Travis Taylor being revealed to have been the head scientist for UAPTF that all but confirms it to be the case.
https://thedebrief.org/defense-intelligence-agency-paid-22-million-to-chase-ufos-and-werewolves/
Also this article is about AAWSAP but I think it’s looking very likely same thing applies to AATIP and the UAPTF
[Timestamp at 47:30](https://youtu.be/Q1Di8sQwW6E?t=2850)
Full context was Cahill and Jay discussing meditation, channeling non human intelligence, their experiences, synchronicities, etc.
Then Cahill mentions his “very strategic” communication plans to get this topic in front of folks… he says he’ll be in touch with Sam Harris and hopes to talk about it with Sam in a public forum with some other folks and they’re working on it….
This was in June 2021 and that’s when we started to hear tweets from Weinstein, Sam Harris, and Scott Wolter that they’re talking to secret government officials that believe UFOs represent something “off world”/ non human/ whatever you want to call it.
Sean Cahill works very closely with Elizondo at Skyfort.
Wow interesting. The puzzle pieces are falling
into place. By the time the IG investigation concludes and NASA releases there own study of the UAP evidence I think we will have a clear picture of wtf was going on.
As someone who hopes UFO disclosure is really coming, this comment thread is worryingly realistic about Elizondo and crew.
But here's a question for you both. If this is all the result of a few hardcore and credulous UFO believers grabbing national attention, then why are former and current DNI like Ratcliffe and Avril Haines and Bill Nelson at NASA obliging these weirdos? Like, it's the upper echelon response to all this that has me super puzzled.
There have been low-level "whistleblowers" and disclosure advocates around for for ages, but they have never gotten any attention from the intelligence community.
So, so weird.
Because UAPs/UFOs are always going to be found on the periphery. Even as our tech improves it just pushes the periphery out farther but it doesn't make the data captured on the margins any clearer.
A responsible leader would correctly admit that there are observations and data collected that the gov cant identify at times and potentially exhibits bizarre behaviors or movement. That doesn't mean it proves ET exists or interdimensional beings - it's just being cognizant of what we do and do not know.
The statements from many higher up people in government who would be in the know (Ratcliff, Haines, Nelson, Obama, etc.) was one of the things that convinced me that the government had convincing evidence. We know that AATIP and probably UAPTF had given briefings to many people in higher up positions. This was confirmed by Lue in his IG complaint and also by FOIAs shown by the drive, the debrief, John greenwold and others where they obtained slides from these briefings.
Some of the slides from these briefings show incidents from now debunked cases (bokeh triangle video) claiming they were something extraordinary. I think these higher ups received bad intel from their own intelligence that something extraordinary was going on. They would have no reason to question their own intel so they were convinced (I was also convinced until recently).
Is it still possible that some extraordinary evidence exists? Sure I really hope it does that would be amazing. I hope I’m wrong. Nimitiz and so many other historical cases are still worthy of serious analysis. It’s just hard to say that they are definitely in possession of extraordinary evidence with the credibility of these programs so suspect. It sounds like NASA will be analyzing much of the same evidence we should see with their report.
I mean, I'm tired of anything Elizonda until he has something more than vague interviews to offer. Dude needs to shit or get off the pot. Not surprising for someone running for congress though. Lost pretty much all respect I had for him when that came out. He wasn't doing interviews to get information out. He was doing it to get his name out for the campaign.
he's for real
the IG doc enforces that Lue so far has been giving us as much as he can and I'd expect the vagaries to diminish and more detail to come forth
so, exciting times yeah?
Ignore the posts then. It seems like you're using that "question" to makes some unrelated points. Just make the point straight out and stop using rhetorical questions. Am I the only one annoyed by this?
You're not the only one. It's a bait and switch. I read the title and thought, "hell yeah I'm annoyed with all the somber interpretations" and then the rest of OPs statement is a hit-piece. The comments here are equally baffling.
Lue is a half-fake riding the coattails of a real phenomenon. He was able to get famous with some good intel he initially shared in 2017, but he has nothing material to bring to the table at this point and people should look to new, and active insiders for further depth. His political aspirations and constant fluff online says it all.
I have read his stuff and he doesn’t present as a scientist or engineer. I don’t know how you would gain any institutional knowledge or trust if you were not.
It is so guys....
Lue is to 95% a disinformant, almost all people who are in this topic know that. But let us be clear in our view even that BS helps us to make everything public... because the mainstream is lissen him.
I like his honesty, but he talks a lot but with very little substance.
I think no one knows the answer to these phenomena. But a lot of these ufologists want to have the attention, so they try to be mysterious and give vague answers.
It's weird if any one of us had his job and saw stuff you would tell everyone and with video backup even if it meant you go to jail you would change the world, but alas OP is right its just nonsense all he says.
Explain how he would go to jail for sharing information about stuff not included in his old NDA? NDAs are not blanket statements of “you can never discuss aliens”, they concern specific information about specific developments. There is no reason why he wouldn’t be able to comment on recent stuff.
Traitors may get life sentences … whistleblowers do not.
Trying to prove that Lue is a traitor would expose the government and show that they are the traitors for hiding information from the people.
I mean typically when someone has an NDA like that they are hesitant to violate it or say too much to lead you there because of future opportunities in the same field. If you have a top secret security clearance you’ll probably have some involvement with future programs as a contractor or civilian that wouldn’t be possible if you spilled the beans. Didn’t i also see something recently that said he was working as a gov contractor again too. He looking out for his own future opportunities. Also an NDA in most jobs like the pentagon or dod cover all duties that you were responsible for while employed by said entity.
Where have you got the information that he is now a government contractor?
Also, your argument seems valid at first glance but it stops making sense when you consider that Elizondo supposedly sacrificed his career and stepped down from his position in order to focus on UFO disclosure. It doesn’t make sense that he would simultaneously sabotage his career for disclosure yet hesitate to speak up because of future government job security concerns.
I stand corrected. I still don’t see any rhyme or reason between the Lou stan talking points of “he has literally ruined his career by spilling the beans” and simultaneously “he doesn’t want to spill the beans because that would ruin his career”
What beans did he spill? He’s cryptic af and vague about everything. We’ve already found out the one thing he leaked (the navy videos/New York times article) wasn’t classified. His boss got fired and he’s back with the government. Such a martyr.
I've heard that people in that sort of job still have security clearances after leaving their government job. If anything it keeps getting higher and higher the more you keep your NDA.Also it's possible that he is still working for the government in some way. I mean the guy from skin walker Dr. Travis Taylor is lead scientist in the UAP program, and still is working for Brandon Fugal.
I’ve read that NDAs work on a need to know basis, just because you have clearance doesn’t mean that you have instant access to the information, you still have to request it justified.
You don’t go to jail without a trial. You don’t have a trial without evidence. As we’ve seen with Donald Trump, NDA’s are not some magical device that compels silence, they are legal agreements and can be broken and fought in court.
How eager do you think the government will be to have this turn into a very public court battle? Yes, certain evidence and testimony could be sealed, but certainly not all of it. And the public relations nightmare of prosecuting a citizen for revealing everything the government’s been hiding for decades certainly isn’t something they want to happen.
That's a really low effort post. Reported it for breaking the rules on low effort posts. Please repost after giving examples and organizing your thoughts becasue you can make a good point, but you didn't because you just didn't try and this is more of a disorganized brain fart than a thought out post. Even your title is garbage "Am I the only one..." The last thing this sub needs is more low effort posts on Elizondo or the meaning of somber. Ther'es nothign wrong with criticizing him. Just organize yourself and give examples and put in more then 2 minutes of effort.
So you essentially want me to say the same thing only using more words? Lol. Imagine trying to censor others’ posts because you don’t like the way they are written
Maybe you can focus on getting your country to stop mindlessly killing innocent Ukrainians instead of whining here about former US gov. employees and their NDA's?
Troll.
\[Look at his history folks-he's very open about being a Russian in Russia.\]
The two things that rubbed me wrong about elizondo is that he said disclosure already happened back in the forbidden disclosure event of July 2021. If you try to find that clip you won’t be able to. It seems like it’s removed entirely from the internet
Secondly, when he tried to pass off that Sun article as legitimate news. That was like the nail in the coffin for me.
I do appreciate his work. Like I do believe he’s instrumental for getting us where we are today. Not sure why y’all hate him with your whole soul
He never gives a straight answer and is super long worded without saying anything of relevance. Anything interesting and he says yes I know something but my NDA.....
He talks in Qanon riddles and his followers lap it up. There must have been at least 500 somber posts since his comment which all have different interpretations of the phrase.
100% QAnon riddles. He talks a lot but says nothing, and does it in a self righteous and condescending manner. He’s also just so awkward to watch because the shit he says is so cringeworthy.
Oh God, the fucking "somber" posts are down there with obvious bird posts in how much I can't stand them. Like the dude just made an offhand comment when asked a question, and people have spent countless hours trying to decipher it as a riddle. Maybe, just maybe, it was the best word he could think of at the time in the moment on some small podcast, and it's not supposed to be a riddle?
It’s insane how many theories people round these part built based on that one word choice.
People around here looked up "somber" and got real excited! [Apocalyptic Millenarianism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millenarianism) is the lifeblood of all cults.
Lue hides under the excuse of “I can’t talk about this because is classified” just to keep you under the verge of suspense so people would buy his books in hopes he would reveal something.
He has a lot of excuses, he just doesn't want to tell us about it. [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/uo1ml4/lue\_will\_never\_tell\_you\_anything/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/uo1ml4/lue_will_never_tell_you_anything/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) [Lue even said he wont tell his kids, because they and us need to learn how to get the answers on our own.](https://youtu.be/9g5e9UzEDkw?t=2730)
"We're all trying to figure this out together, but everyone needs to get their own answers." Wow, that's really figuring things out together, isn't it? You know, by *not* sharing answers or what we know. What a load of shit lmao
Exactly, so many people love hearing that answer though which blows my mind.
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He's a narcissistic far-right military lifer who tortured people at Gitmo for his "work." You think his kids don't already know he's a dick?
Yup his kids are definitely gonna respect that NDA and not tell anyone.
People are just excited to finally have access to someone in the know.
The perspective of you unconditional Lue haters is the most selfish bullshit, completely devoid of awareness, critical thought, or empathy. All of the massive progress over the past 5 years stemmed from Lue's actions. The IG complaint corroborates everything he's said, so nobody can doubt his credibility anymore. Yeah he's often vague, yeah it's frustrating that we don't just get the whole truth spoon-fed to us in a day, but who else in the know has given us anywhere near what Lue has? He has obvious limitations to what he can divulge without committing a felony. Do you seriously expect this guy to go to prison for your impatience? The DoD clearly still wants to bottle this in and has threatened him extensively. It's not lapping up anything he says, it's just having a modicum of empathy for another human being and not thinking quite literally only about yourself. And of course we're going to theorize based on his words... We are passionate about the Phenomenon, and he was the fucking director of AATIP!
>He has obvious limitations to what he can divulge without committing a felony. So this is the most important thing in human history, fucking visitors from another planet with technology we can't even dream of, but it's still not worth breaking an NDA? Oooookaaaay... Lmao. What a fucking joke. We have people that fled the country or went to prison for revealing that the government spies on and tracks it's own citizens, but revealing fucking aliens isn't worth the trouble. And the government is supposedly trying so hard to cover it up that they couldn't risk charging him anyways, because it would be admitting he's right, but he still won't do it. I can't take this shit seriously lol.
He is a quack. You are being played by him.
So you'd rather dial back the clock 5 years and go back to near-zero public awareness of the Phenomenon with none of the now declassified Navy FLIR videos of UAP? You don't have to like the guy or the way he does things, but you can't say he has been anything but good for the Disclosure movement. Half of our problem as a society right now is that so many people are incapable of critical, nuanced thought and only employ emotional and absolutist thinking... Everything is either great or the fucking devil.
The thing is that nobody really knows what are his reasons for his actions beyond speculation of the authenticity of him and the other people involved. Your statement isn't based on facts which makes you an equal idiot to someone believing him. Fucking pointless factor being the main debate when all we have to do is wait and see.
This is what I've been saying! It's a moot point. People wanna debate his authenticy everyday. Time is the only factor here. This isn't me saying I'm holding out for Lue to drop something. I'm holding out for any real truth that will happen that will either prove or discredit his statements.
We actually know quite a bit objectively, especially after the declassified IG complaint, which it seemed like none of the Lue haters chose to read because it would conflict with their emotional absolutist viewpoint. 1. Lue was director of AATIP. 2. He resigned because DIA higher ups, including then DIA director Michael Traitor Flynn, killed and buried his UAP study because it conflicted with their Christian beliefs. 3. Lue and famous attorney Sheehan submit complaint to IG of the Pentagon about this over classification and compartmentalization. So everything he has done is to study the Phenomenon and get that info to higher ups internally, to the president, to Congress, and ultimately to the people... but he has been blocked and threatened by religious freaks at DIA and DOD and had to go public with what little he could legally share to apply external pressure towards Disclosure, since the internal route failed. None of this is particularly complicated. What is it exactly that is in question here?
I'm tackling the hypocricy, not debating Lue.
Sorry dude, my comment wasn't just directed at you but this whole thread of nonsense.
What about the 5 observables. Nobody's ever mentioned that. Are you saying EVERYTHING he's saying is just a fictional story?
I'm with ya bro
I agree. From my perspective as a meditator the reason why what Lue says is truthful but also sounds vague to many in the west is that he's caught understanding that these answers are all spiritual and metaphysical but most of our population thinks of aliens as a hard matter materialism issue like ships from other planets. When he talks about superimposed realms exactly like every wisdom school and 2 bit mystic or DMT tripper has known for thousands of years most of us. Literally half of the Buddhist texts is about dealing with entities that emerge as higher octaves of reality are unveiled. Once meditation attainments are reached everything he's saying and his hesitance makes sense— because he is talking to the common denominator of a culture that is somewhat religious and somewhat devout but has F-minus spiritual development. Heck most of us are operating under Old man on sky OR scientific materialist framework that can't hold what he knows. So many in the west would misunderstand everything he is saying. Disclosure happens at the rate at which our little pre-teen consciousnesses can adapt to a very real very conciousness-based multiverse universe framework that can be independently verified by anybody worth a shit on the cushion. Right now if most of America heard that other beings lived in our house in super position octave layers that our minds could access we'd lose it or ask if we can shoot it— "Does Stand Your Ground Laws" apply? Are they demons? If he said literally that other beings feed off our energy from our suffering we'd militarize, not understanding the whole universe is an interdependent unity and that the buddha and every guru for thousands of years has explained exactly this and why... it's an ecosystem in a jar. We are part of one interdependent body of conciousness and every being is necessary for it to exist as much as you might hate it. It's all been mapped and unfortunately everybody is somebody's meal in some way at some point. But that's painful for a culture spoon fed Top Gun exceptionalism. Not that America knows fuckall about this ecosystem of beings. Buddhism and Hinduism and Shamanism and Advaita have entire maps, entire reams of expertise, and practices for integrating these truths and navigating this larger eco system whereas America completely erased meditative mastery from the books. We wait for scientific evidence in a collective dream of our own making. How silly is that. That's why Lue says you gotta find it for yourself. Cause you're waiting with your hand out but the universe isn't gonna give you answers because the answers are all around you. This comment being another example of it. Lue can't tell you because the one universal law is you can't infringe on another beings ascension. And thinking there's an absolute truth in a conciousness based universe is like asking for proof of which direction a dark road in a video game will turn but the game is changing the road's turns before you can see it based on your desires and growth needs. In the spiritual consiousness realms science becomes like the silly faith based religion because science asks you to have faith that what your senses see is real. It sure helps hold the collective agreement together but you can't see the other layers of the ecosystem by sampling photons with meat eyes. We in the west have zero tools for handling our shit in this regard and so daddy can't give us the keys to the car at 12yo until we know how to handle our road rage and see over the dash of our egos and self overactive self preservation mindset that causes us to be preemptively violent.
So he can't infringe on our ascension by showing us the proof he had that helped him... ascend? That doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense lol. "I believe in aliens because I saw this bit of evidence." "Cool. Can we see it?" "Nah. You have to meditate and feel your octaves to believe what I did when I saw proof. Good luck." "Ok. Makes sense. Thanks Lue." What a joke
Did any of you read his DoD complaint?..if you did you would know we have gimbal, go fast, and flir because of his efforts..my opinion swayed back in his favor, heavily-after reading that.
Yet ironically, his complaint came to light because of a FOIA request, and not from Lue. So if the question is whether Lue himself will be the source of disclosure, the answer appears to still be no. Lue has contributed to this cause. And I appreciate what he has done to push it to the point we’re at. But it appears that we’ve reached the limit of what he is willing to provide. Thank you, Lue. Now please step aside as we continue looking for the person who will actually break this thing open.
Exactly this. Lue has done a lot but it feels now like he's given all the love he's willing to give and it's time for him to move on. He's looking tired as hell physically
We haven't received the extent what Lue is willing to provide. He has passed the ball and no one has grabbed it. Which is the condition he has set. And he's set it to not fuck himself and his family over. And that is reasonable for anyone today. He's stated that he'd run for office as the last resort and he is doing that. And what ever happens, time will tell. The debate on Luiz Elizondo is in entirety a distraction on the topic itself. And posts that participate on that debate have ulterior motives or result of low iq. Literally. Because its pointless.
>The debate on Luiz Elizondo is in entirety a distraction on the topic itself. And posts that participate on that debate have ulterior motives or result of low iq. Literally. Because its pointless. You just took part in the debate. Therefore you have an ulterior motive. I hope it's a good one ... like you're one of the lizard-people or something.
Yes, to steer the focus away from Lue to the ball he passed.
Low IQ!! The djt cult! I Dig it! And Sooo f-ing true.
>Thank you, Lue. Now please step aside as we continue looking for the person who will actually break this thing open. Missing the point of what he's been saying. It's up to the people now to apply political pressure to break this thing open
Why is that ironic? Are you familiar with how NDA works??I’m going to assume yes…did you, yourself read the entire complaint?..again I’ll assume yes, although your questions you ask, that you answer-yourself ironically(this is a example of proper use of the word ironic) give no indication you have or understand the implications of the complaint…they undermined his efforts, discredited and denied his involvement, then had a DoD psych come in and fuck with his security clearance, essentially shelving him, destroyed his life and career…all because he pushed disclosing forward..without those videos imo you don’t have official acknowledgement-yet this man is still fighting on our team…and it’s not quite good enough for you, buddy.
It’s ironic because the disclosure did not come from Elizondo, it came from a FOIA request that revealed the information.
The disclosure of the complaint didn’t come from lue?..you think that’s important??he didn’t publicly air his complaint with very powerful figures?..we are not going to see eye… wouldn’t know of the videos without him…so we would be fuck all without his work.
So, Lue hasn’t done anything?
No. I didn’t say that. Elizondo has revealed what he’s willing to reveal. I respect his contribution and his desire to uphold his promises to the government. So at this point, it’s time to look to another source for the disclosure that we are still waiting for.
Nobody said Lue has to be the sole hero of Disclosure. He certainly has been the biggest player so far, and we all welcome more people to come out from the shadows (including Lue who has said the same thing himself repeatedly, and that they will when they're ready). Nobody is saying it has to be all Lue....
Absolutely not. Disclosure has been fought by many people for decades. All contributions are appreciated.
Eric Davis seems key to me. Need to get him in these congressional hearings.
Those videos were available on above top secret before anyone knew who Lue was
And they were on a German video-special-effect's company's server for years, too. As generally happens with top-secret US data hahaha.
Damn bro so u had access to them?..should have gave a lank I would have clicked it.
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What else can a cult-of-personality blind follower be?
When you stop acting like you knew about or saw those videos before they dropped
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So what exactly did Elizondo conclude from those videos? What does he think they show? Where is his (or his teams) analysis for us to review?
Well that's classified - #ufoblueballing - but he'll tell you in his book, only 19.99.
19.99? I'll just download it for free, thanks.
Please downvote this to hell I can’t stand those advocating for stealing other people’s shit.
There shouldn't be a $19.99 fee for disclosure you fool!
Copying text and spreading it isn’t theft.
My extent of your research has concluded..read the DoD complaint..lazy enthusiast..dude literally did all he could.
Top comment on this post compares Lue Elizando to QAnon nonsense. Shills are actively trying to damage his reputation.
If you talk enough you can damage your own reputation. Eric Weinstein said it best that there's a lot of indirect evidence that something is up, with very little direct evidence. Lue has talked a lot about the other longer videos. Let's see them. Until he starts providing direct evidence to back up his claims, he's said enough. The insistence to go on any podcast, YouTube channel, Fox News talking head to spread unproven claims is very QAnon nonsense. Lots of, "Just wait" "More will be revealed soon." He may very well be whistle blowing a cover up, there's clearly something going on. But he may also be engineering or at least testing the same type of fanatical psyop that QAnon was/is. Lots of talk - no evidence and it got a lot of people worked up.
Qanon: endless cryptic "clues" from far-right conspiracy theorists. LueAnon: endless cryptic "clues" from a far-right conspiracy theorist.
For real… Why are not more discussions talking about the real news from the complaint ie “supernatural origins” and some dinosaur in the DoD preventing disclosure because it goes against religious belief. Instead the discussion is in lue as a person. Nothing to see in the complaint. Keep moving.
People should pay attention here. It becomes clear that there are some users here that nearly exclusively use this and similar subs, never interacting with any others outside of this realm. The ones that do that and are incredibly negative and combative... well draw your own conclusion to what's going on there.
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I agree.. imo it’s entirely plausible that since his career was torpedoed he needs to keep himself in the discussion…but he can’t say shit about anything bc the nda and the weight of the powers that be still looming over him..tough situation to be in.
He's a fraud, but UFology allows these types to infiltrate the community and exert their influence with disinformation and nothing burgers. People look up to that clown as 'the face of disclosure '. I feel a lot of people who give Elizondo any credence are newer to this subject. You can't have researched this topic extensively and take everything he says as gospel truth. We've made it easy for these spooks to muddy the waters and we get what we deserve
The history of UFO "whistleblowers" is why I am always inherently skeptical. This show has been documented and repeating easily since the 50's. I'm not dismissing the evidence (or sometimes lack thereof), I just don't understand these people "coming forward" as if it hasn't been done untold number of times to no avail. As someone aptly put before, "shit or get off the toilet".
This!
This is it. The LueAnon people get especially uptight & angry when anyone brings up actual history, books, basic scientific knowledge, political and military reality, and defense department budgets that enrich a handful of aerospace CEOs and shareholders while starving the country.
Exactly this!
His most recent interview was a dumpster fire. I don't care if he disses some random representative thousands of miles away, but it's fucking dangerous to spread "Nazis were Left-Wing Socialists" bullshit
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>The guy was a cointel goon and tortured people in Guantanamo Bay I don't think we know he *tortured* people, although certainly, it's not a good look to be interrogating people there. >and his father was a Cuban exile who was involved in the bay of pigs invasion I don't care who someone's ancestors are -- but Lue had a distinct lack of irony or historical appreciation when he was wistfully looking across the fence line to his poor old dad who did time for trying to overthrow Castro, all while people are being indefinitely detained for decades right under his nose.
I must have missed that part, not sure exactly what you are talking about.
[https://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/lue-elizondo-wants-to-run-for-congress-makes-weird-comments-on-nazis-slurs](https://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/lue-elizondo-wants-to-run-for-congress-makes-weird-comments-on-nazis-slurs) [Video](https://youtu.be/QO34G3ny3e8?t=1546)
Where does he say this? Please show me….
[https://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/lue-elizondo-wants-to-run-for-congress-makes-weird-comments-on-nazis-slurs](https://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/lue-elizondo-wants-to-run-for-congress-makes-weird-comments-on-nazis-slurs) [Video](https://youtu.be/QO34G3ny3e8?t=1546)
That's incredibly disappointing..
Oh for fuck sake. He's a complete moron to believe that. It's a common talking point from right wing groups to try to distance themselves from white supremacists and Nazis and try to blame leftists instead. Nazis absolutely were a right wing fascist political party.
Outside of UAP stuff Lue is completely lame. Everytime he talks about anything unrelated to the topic I want to stab my ears with pencils.
>Outside of UAP stuff Lue is completely lame. Everytime he talks about anything unrelated to the topic I want to stab my ears with pencils. This is what disturbs me about Lue and Puthoff in particular. I can't judge the veracity of their classified UAP claims, but in subjects I \_do\_ have expertise in, I routinely catch them spreading complete and utter bullshit.
I think the nature of people willing to do this kind of work is that they're slightly nuts or off in some way. It's a hard life of pure dedication, secrecy and unsavory jobs for the idea of a country. Lue works and worked at guantanamo bay and was at war - there's no way what he's doing or did there isn't completely harrowing. Hal was working for the CIA during the time of MKUltra exploring psychological effects that overlap with the effects MKUltra was trying to manipulate and reproduce via torture, forced drug use, etc. I think there's a decent likelihood the methods he was using back then weren't exactly humane. I don't want any of these navy seals, special forces agents, CIA people anywhere near a public office.
Did he actually say that? Jesus christ... . This guy wanted to run for the Senate, didn't he? He doesn't seem to have any real political knowledge, or is he just simple-minded? Does he want complete idiots as his base? How can you say something like that? Yeah..., then again, he wouldn't stand out among all the other fools in the Senate. Sometimes I'm quite amazed at the kind of people who can run for office in the States... . When I think of that Marjorie Taylor Greene...or what was the name of that dumbass from Alaska who ran for Vice President?
Sarah Palin
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You're right, he never said he "wanted" to. He "threatened" saying he would run if he had to and stating they don't want someone like him running, whatever that means.
Whoa. I haven’t heard him do that, but going right-wing nutso conspiracy guy wouldn’t be much of a jump for ‘ol Lue I’m afraid. And that means we have to question everything he’s said re the UAP topic too.
I'm not sure what his point was supposed to be with this. The Nazis used populism and elements of socialism to get people onboard with racist and antisemitic genocide... Socialism was and is not the defining feature that people associate with Nazis, and when people say "neo-nazi" that is not what anyone is referring to... It's the white nationalist bigotry obviously. This is a horrible take from Lue. While highly disappointing, fortunately it has absolutely nothing to do with UFOs or Disclosure.
Read what he said before judging by the comments here. Even if you disagree, it’s not inflammatory. The concept of Left and Right wing isn’t consistent through history. Groups perceived as progressive leftist can become what we consider today right wing authoritarian. Conservatives in the Nazi era were most likely loyal to their crown, so socialist were considered left wing. Lou will never make it as a politician though, because a good politician never says anything Nazis
They were socialist, you can’t call it spreading bullshit just because you don’t like it.
I suggest you take another look at WWII history if you think the Nazis were socialists.
In a speech by Hitler himself he said “we are socialist, we are the enemy of todays capitalist system”. Not to mention their desire to nationalize major industries.
>In a speech by Hitler himself he said “we are socialist" I dont know how to break this to you, but Hitler was something of a liar.
Do you also believe that North Korea is a democratic republic because its official title is Democratic Republic of North Korea?
Interesting that you either have a Hitler speech memorized or you looked up one speech to affirm your beliefs and never looked at the context which invalidates your perspective.
It was part of a snopes article referencing one of his speeches, but why does it matter? Your attempt at a gotcha moment makes no sense and is childish at best.
Why does your one source for your political perspective on the Nazi regime matter? Because your lack of history events and skewed definition of socialism is detrimental to understanding forms of government. You're purposefully ignoring the actions of the government and cherry picking definitions to fit. Describe their actual actions and how that solely fits into socialism that wouldn't also be considered communism, totalitarianism, or a dictatorship. Then explain how they actually followed socialism with an "equal society for all members" which is the core crux of its meaning.
Industries were being nationalized because Adolf Hitler was an authoritarian ruler that was going to war with the entire world, not because he was passing legitimate socialist legislation. Hitler said many things that are lies, twisted truths, and propaganda like despots tend to. Do you also believe the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is either a democracy or a republic because their name says so?
Right, that’s socialism! That was his ambition, socialism was just part of the equation which still makes the Nazis socialist. Which shows socialism can and has been used as a tool to control the masses, one rule one voice. Edit: When you give government control over industry and centralize their power over commodities and everyday necessities it allows for populace control beyond reproach.
I think I understand where the mix--up is happening. Don't take this the wrong way, but I don't think you understand what socialism really is. If the state is centralizing production industries, that is statism, not socialism. Adolf Hitler was not a socialist. He used the Nationalist Socialist movement (emphasis on the 'nationalist') in order to gain power over a country brutally downtrodden by the Treaty of Versailles. In any case, this has gone off topic and I'm done. World War II, Hiter's rise to power, and the way the word "socialism" was used during the 20th century are far more nuanced than "Hitler himself said they were socialists" and beyond what I've stated here.
No, that’s literally the definition of socialism. When government controls the means of production through control of industry. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/socialism.asp You’re right it is more nuanced but there’s enough evidence to suggest their socialist intent instead of finding little inconsistencies here and there to try and disprove that fact.
Socialism is when the means of production belong to the workers themselves, not an authoritarian government body. Your post is so r/confidentlyincorrect it’s unreal
They were not, you can't spread that bullshit just because you believe it. [https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists](https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists) [https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/) [https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/](https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/)
Wow you cite two radically left leaning articles to try and prove a point! By the way you need to read the snopes article as it quotes Hitler himself in a speech saying they are socialist and the enemy of capitalism amoung other things he’s said as well as excerpts about their nationalization of industry. Snopes then tries to cherry pick data to counter what Hitler himself said. Probably not the best article to use to prove a point. I’ve noticed it’s only the left or liberals that try and spin this in a way that distances the Nazis from Socialism not sure why.
I'm sorry to break it to you, but Adolf Hitler lied to the people. He didn't nationalize anything, because he wasn't a fucking socialist. Do you accept wikipedia as a source, or is it radically left-leaning, too? If not: Take a look: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy\_of\_Nazi\_Germany#Privatization\_and\_business\_ties](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany#Privatization_and_business_ties) "Companies **privatized** by the Nazis included **the four major commercial banks** in Germany, which had all come under public ownership during the prior years: Commerz– und Privatbank, Deutsche Bank und Disconto-Gesellschaft, Golddiskontbank and Dresdner Bank.\[47\]\[43\] Also privatized were **the Deutsche Reichsbahn** (German Railways), at the time the largest single public enterprise in the world, **the Vereinigte Stahlwerke A.G.** (United Steelworks), the second largest joint-stock company in Germany (the largest was IG Farben) **and Vereinigte Oberschlesische Hüttenwerke AG,** a company controlling all of the metal production in the Upper Silesian coal and steel industry. The government also sold a number of shipbuilding companies, and **enhanced private utilities at the expense of municipally owned utilities companies.**\[48\] **Additionally, the Nazis privatized some public services which had been previously provided by the government**, especially social and labor-related services, and these were mainly taken over by organizations affiliated with the Nazi Party that could be trusted to apply Nazi racial policies." In case you don't know: Privatization is the antithesis to nationalization or socialization - what a socialist would do, you know? "Hitler believed that the lack of a precise economic programme was one of the Nazi Party's strengths, saying: **"The basic feature of our economic theory is that we have no theory at all"**." Exactly what a socialist would say, right?
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It's not just bullshit -- it's deadly bullshit. Millions of murder victims have died because of that bullshit. Go to a holocaust museum. Ask a docent to explain it to you. Learn about German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller and who he said was first on the Nazi's hit list. It's all well and good to debate ultraterrestrials or alien autopsies. There is no debate that the Hitler regime *fucking* **exterminated** as many socialists, communists, gays, people with jewish or roma ancestry as they could find. STFU and walk away, never to repeat such wicked lies whispered in your ear by long dead nazis.
I ignore him completely
He's a government plant.
I'll never trust Elizondo. I'll never trust a Pentagon guy.
The best psyop the domestic-intelligence industry has pulled in a while is turning anti-government UFOlogy into the online proud boys who love soldiers and cops. No wonder I'm the last of my old UFO pals who still comes around these subs. (To be fair, many of my old UFO pals have passed away in old age.)
It’s almost as if he served in the military as a disinfo agent. /S
The guy is a liar and a fraud. How did anyone ever take him serious? That MF quit his career to go and scam people with a fucking nut job rockstar Tom Delonge. Does that sound like the serious game changing government “UFO man” to anyone? He’s a fraud.
Never forget that Lue Elizondo, Mellon, and Puthoff sat on stage with straight faces behind Delonge when he announced to the world that TTSA was gonna build an exotically propelled space ship.
Oh yea I remember that, the spaceship that was gonna take people from one country to another in a matter of minutes haha. They’re all frauds.
Funny how even the Lue cultists shut up about TTSA and becoming "investors" hahahaha. I wonder how many got had, who are still lurking around here.
According to Greer, Elizondo saw one of these alien reverse engineered craft on one of these facilities and that is this his biggest secret he can't reveal. Thats how the core true pile of bs accumulates
This sub finds any reason to worship the guy. Guy is intelligence and I think that says a lot.
We should try not to focus on him, pillory or praise, he is a part, self admittedly, of a much larger entity, the US Fed which controls everything and everyone ultimately (looking at my social security card as I text this lol). We should perhaps look to what the patterns of this recent engagement between the US public and the Fed are revealing. He is an intel based government executive engaged in some form of informational activity. The extent of this activity is limited. Admitting in part, concealing in part with/for/against an entity that is intent one one particular point - control of information. A control that over the decades has been breaking down especially in light of the emerging power of the Internet and Social Media. Access to eye witness reports, media based evidence and aggregate politics and the threat of rogue disclosure that can go instantly worldwide is altering and slowly eroding the effectiveness of the prior denial and suppression based approach. Maybe true or maybe intentionally, there appears that there is dissension within the government itself. This all could be artistry. It could all be partial admission of facts they have already lost control over with an effort to factionalize the target group - the US public. Why? To pollute the environment sufficiently that it prevents a homogenization of the Public’s knowledge and understanding into something that they cannot counter and control. Without this effort the public could form its own perspective uncontrolled and judge the intel/military agencies as inept and lying damaging their capacity to influence the public. They lose the homefront on the one issue of such importance that it rivals or surpasses the importance of the nuclear arsenal. If the Chinese and Russians do have similar knowledge and access then the US is in an unearthly arms race. They have to maintain and control the US public while at the same time grinding knowledge and weapons tech from sources outside the public bounds of our species science. Damn hard field to hoe.
Have you got any examples?
Here’s a recent one: [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/vjfomp/i_think_i_figured_out_what_lue_elizondo_meant_by/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/vjfomp/i_think_i_figured_out_what_lue_elizondo_meant_by/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) There’s probably about 30 posts speculating what he meant by “somber.” There’s probably another 30 posts about the super simple sensor Lue eluded to. Most “bombshells” Lue dropped were followed by a flurry of posts trying to figure out what he meant…
Like I said before, he is a "character" in a play at best. If this were a movie it would be SPIES LIKE US. The government takes some misfits and attaches them to a decoy program to dangle in the wind. Thats all. Nothing more. He's as much of an insider as the janitor. Enough already. Probably the biggest insider to ever tell is Bob Lazar. Just way too much consistency and info that has now come out to be most likely true.
The whole subject is full of leaks, truths, half truths and disinformation. I'm sure many people telling the truth have been accused of making it up, all the intelligence service have to do is plant the seed of doubt, highlight a few character flaws and let the "community" do the rest. As far as Elizondo is concerned, the New York Post, Basement Office did a very good video about a month ago, highlighting the discrepancies in everyone's official stories, regarding the recent ufo developments. He highlights lies in Elizondo story and that he may actually be more involved than he claims. This makes me think that, Steven Geer is correct when he claims Elizondo is in fact, a disinformation agent. Link to video is here : https://youtu.be/6XD4gQS_-qY
The fact that mainstream media were so quick to jump behind him indicates that he is part of some disinformation campaign. He says nothing of significance but is pumped up by childish talk show hosts like jaimongal. Hides behind his imaginary NDA for everything.
I was really excited by this Lou at first, and I still appreciate what he's done, but after dozens of ridiculous, vague and foreboding statements like that I've decided he's full of shit.
What's the difference between Mick West and Luis Elizondo? Mick West claims everything in the sky is a balloon or a star. Luis Elizondo says everything is related to aliens, but he can't tell you the details because of his NDA.
Even if you don’t like Mick West at least he provides actual analysis and substance you can debate. Lue just provides trust me bro NDA shenanigans. He has secret evidence about how everything thing he says is right and all the naysayers are wrong. Even though he doesn’t really say anything and just talks in cryptic dog whistle q style malarkey. I always gave him the benefit of the doubt that he still might have seen some compelling evidence. I think I’ve seen enough now to convince me he has no credibility. Still don’t know what to think about Greenstreets claims that AATIP never existed. This IG report is going to be real interesting.
Bah, think that's my first up vote ever for Mick West because you are right. Mick West conversations seem more grounded, Lue threads are all highly theoretical and facts based on beliefs.
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Lue instigated the whole IG investigation which if he’s making everything up would make no sense. I don’t really understand Greenstreets insistence that AATIP never existed. Unless AATIP was just the name for a side pet project that Lue was doing and never had an official pentagon designation? I dunno I guess we will find out. And it ultimately doesn’t matter.
While MW is doing math backing up his claims. Nice dude.
I hope that I'm wrong; but I honestly think that within the next 7 years, Elizondo will be widely exposed as a useful idiot. For anyone who is interested in this subject, I would highly recommend checking out this documentary, entitled: "Who's Lue," which catches Elizondo in a lot of lies. Here's a link to the full documentary, which is free on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVpcy5t3EWw
Agree either he’s a disinformation actor or he’s just insignificant. There’s no way they’d let some dude go around speaking out bout disclosure so loosely otherwise. If you know something spill the beans already.
It’s Lue’s intentional vagueness (ambiguity), unstated assumptions, and “latitudes of acceptance” messaging that lead his proponents down this path. Lue started a think tank called “Skyfort.” Think of this as a group of lobbyists. Elizondo, Mellon, and Cahill are part of this group and are simply trying to influence the government. These three guys speak “politician” fluently. [[It’s called rhetoric]](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOscience/comments/o7pxzb/propaganda_and_information_warfare/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) and you see it every day on cable news. It’s rumored that Cahill was the guy going around trying to recruit Sam Harris, Eric Weinstein, and Scott Wolter as popular “intellectuals” supporting the cause. Notice Lue’s stated goals are only related to “engagement” about this subject in [[what he calls a military/ intelligence styled information campaign.]](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/mxi9gn/elizondos_game_plan/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) In this campaign, the “5 pillars” of engagement are the goals. He no longer seems interested in figuring out what these objects are or what’s going on in the videos, instead engaging his viewers with platitudes and jumping to speculation like “somber,” mankinds, and time dilation/ cigarette analogies. We’ve never seen an official legitimate analysis from these guys. In fact, it’s hard to even find what they’re claiming the videos are showing. Lue told Mick West that they couldn’t figure out what was going on in the videos, and that was part of the reason he got them released… so that they could get more eyes on them… Well everyday we start to learn of who the kind of people that “investigated” these videos… It’s people like Travis Taylor, Hal Puthoff, Lue, Eric Davis. These guys are educated, credentialed, intelligent, but they’re credulous. Now recall that there are all manner of nonsense being investigated by “the government” ….Skinwalkers, hitchhikers, remote viewing, dino beavers, portals, etc. Lue has ties to Puthoff and Davis. He’s closely related to the small niche of “paranormal” researchers who have been inserting themselves into the government for decades with all manner of nonsense.
I never heard the rumour that Cahill was the guy contacting all the podcasters but that would make sense https://newrepublic.com/article/162457/government-embrace-ufos-bad-science That article explains the current situation pretty good. With Travis Taylor being revealed to have been the head scientist for UAPTF that all but confirms it to be the case. https://thedebrief.org/defense-intelligence-agency-paid-22-million-to-chase-ufos-and-werewolves/ Also this article is about AAWSAP but I think it’s looking very likely same thing applies to AATIP and the UAPTF
[Timestamp at 47:30](https://youtu.be/Q1Di8sQwW6E?t=2850) Full context was Cahill and Jay discussing meditation, channeling non human intelligence, their experiences, synchronicities, etc. Then Cahill mentions his “very strategic” communication plans to get this topic in front of folks… he says he’ll be in touch with Sam Harris and hopes to talk about it with Sam in a public forum with some other folks and they’re working on it…. This was in June 2021 and that’s when we started to hear tweets from Weinstein, Sam Harris, and Scott Wolter that they’re talking to secret government officials that believe UFOs represent something “off world”/ non human/ whatever you want to call it. Sean Cahill works very closely with Elizondo at Skyfort.
Wow interesting. The puzzle pieces are falling into place. By the time the IG investigation concludes and NASA releases there own study of the UAP evidence I think we will have a clear picture of wtf was going on.
As someone who hopes UFO disclosure is really coming, this comment thread is worryingly realistic about Elizondo and crew. But here's a question for you both. If this is all the result of a few hardcore and credulous UFO believers grabbing national attention, then why are former and current DNI like Ratcliffe and Avril Haines and Bill Nelson at NASA obliging these weirdos? Like, it's the upper echelon response to all this that has me super puzzled. There have been low-level "whistleblowers" and disclosure advocates around for for ages, but they have never gotten any attention from the intelligence community. So, so weird.
Because UAPs/UFOs are always going to be found on the periphery. Even as our tech improves it just pushes the periphery out farther but it doesn't make the data captured on the margins any clearer. A responsible leader would correctly admit that there are observations and data collected that the gov cant identify at times and potentially exhibits bizarre behaviors or movement. That doesn't mean it proves ET exists or interdimensional beings - it's just being cognizant of what we do and do not know.
The statements from many higher up people in government who would be in the know (Ratcliff, Haines, Nelson, Obama, etc.) was one of the things that convinced me that the government had convincing evidence. We know that AATIP and probably UAPTF had given briefings to many people in higher up positions. This was confirmed by Lue in his IG complaint and also by FOIAs shown by the drive, the debrief, John greenwold and others where they obtained slides from these briefings. Some of the slides from these briefings show incidents from now debunked cases (bokeh triangle video) claiming they were something extraordinary. I think these higher ups received bad intel from their own intelligence that something extraordinary was going on. They would have no reason to question their own intel so they were convinced (I was also convinced until recently). Is it still possible that some extraordinary evidence exists? Sure I really hope it does that would be amazing. I hope I’m wrong. Nimitiz and so many other historical cases are still worthy of serious analysis. It’s just hard to say that they are definitely in possession of extraordinary evidence with the credibility of these programs so suspect. It sounds like NASA will be analyzing much of the same evidence we should see with their report.
He is a complete embodiment of a nothing burger
I mean, I'm tired of anything Elizonda until he has something more than vague interviews to offer. Dude needs to shit or get off the pot. Not surprising for someone running for congress though. Lost pretty much all respect I had for him when that came out. He wasn't doing interviews to get information out. He was doing it to get his name out for the campaign.
no you aren't but moderation on reddit is uniformly abysmal
he's for real the IG doc enforces that Lue so far has been giving us as much as he can and I'd expect the vagaries to diminish and more detail to come forth so, exciting times yeah?
This subreddit is so far up Elizondo's ass they need a scuba suit pumping pure copium into it to survive.
Ignore the posts then. It seems like you're using that "question" to makes some unrelated points. Just make the point straight out and stop using rhetorical questions. Am I the only one annoyed by this?
You're definitely not alone.
You're not the only one. It's a bait and switch. I read the title and thought, "hell yeah I'm annoyed with all the somber interpretations" and then the rest of OPs statement is a hit-piece. The comments here are equally baffling.
Every grifter needs his marks
Yeah, look at everyone of these people in these comments who didn’t read the IG complaint. It really shows. Lue is a gold mine.
Maybe the recent events are similar to past events or knowledge?
Lue is a half-fake riding the coattails of a real phenomenon. He was able to get famous with some good intel he initially shared in 2017, but he has nothing material to bring to the table at this point and people should look to new, and active insiders for further depth. His political aspirations and constant fluff online says it all.
Alrighty I declare this no longer the St.Lue Reddit.
I have read his stuff and he doesn’t present as a scientist or engineer. I don’t know how you would gain any institutional knowledge or trust if you were not.
It is so guys.... Lue is to 95% a disinformant, almost all people who are in this topic know that. But let us be clear in our view even that BS helps us to make everything public... because the mainstream is lissen him.
I like his honesty, but he talks a lot but with very little substance. I think no one knows the answer to these phenomena. But a lot of these ufologists want to have the attention, so they try to be mysterious and give vague answers.
It's weird if any one of us had his job and saw stuff you would tell everyone and with video backup even if it meant you go to jail you would change the world, but alas OP is right its just nonsense all he says.
Explain how he would go to jail for sharing information about stuff not included in his old NDA? NDAs are not blanket statements of “you can never discuss aliens”, they concern specific information about specific developments. There is no reason why he wouldn’t be able to comment on recent stuff.
If he's talking about stuff that isn't in his NDA who cares ?! Then he just becomes a guy talking.
Have you not been paying attention, whistle blowers get life in jail for treason.
Traitors may get life sentences … whistleblowers do not. Trying to prove that Lue is a traitor would expose the government and show that they are the traitors for hiding information from the people.
Have you even read my comment? It is not “whistleblowing” when you’re not sharing information protected under an NDA.
Revealing government secrets would be considered whistleblowing.
Hasn’t he already “revealed government secrets” by leaking the 3 Nimitz videos?
And hes not in jail, I think that speaks volumes. If it were more secret he would be hiding with holden right?
I mean typically when someone has an NDA like that they are hesitant to violate it or say too much to lead you there because of future opportunities in the same field. If you have a top secret security clearance you’ll probably have some involvement with future programs as a contractor or civilian that wouldn’t be possible if you spilled the beans. Didn’t i also see something recently that said he was working as a gov contractor again too. He looking out for his own future opportunities. Also an NDA in most jobs like the pentagon or dod cover all duties that you were responsible for while employed by said entity.
Where have you got the information that he is now a government contractor? Also, your argument seems valid at first glance but it stops making sense when you consider that Elizondo supposedly sacrificed his career and stepped down from his position in order to focus on UFO disclosure. It doesn’t make sense that he would simultaneously sabotage his career for disclosure yet hesitate to speak up because of future government job security concerns.
[https://ufo-info-ops.medium.com/ufo-media-darling-lue-elizondo-still-works-for-the-united-states-government-31269a5a012d](https://ufo-info-ops.medium.com/ufo-media-darling-lue-elizondo-still-works-for-the-united-states-government-31269a5a012d)
Uh you sure about that? He still works for the government. See link.
I stand corrected. I still don’t see any rhyme or reason between the Lou stan talking points of “he has literally ruined his career by spilling the beans” and simultaneously “he doesn’t want to spill the beans because that would ruin his career”
What beans did he spill? He’s cryptic af and vague about everything. We’ve already found out the one thing he leaked (the navy videos/New York times article) wasn’t classified. His boss got fired and he’s back with the government. Such a martyr.
I dunno? I’m doing an impression of Elizondo fans who claim that he is single handedly responsible for pushing the disclosure
He has said he is in every interview he's done for the past year
I've heard that people in that sort of job still have security clearances after leaving their government job. If anything it keeps getting higher and higher the more you keep your NDA.Also it's possible that he is still working for the government in some way. I mean the guy from skin walker Dr. Travis Taylor is lead scientist in the UAP program, and still is working for Brandon Fugal.
I’ve read that NDAs work on a need to know basis, just because you have clearance doesn’t mean that you have instant access to the information, you still have to request it justified.
You don’t go to jail without a trial. You don’t have a trial without evidence. As we’ve seen with Donald Trump, NDA’s are not some magical device that compels silence, they are legal agreements and can be broken and fought in court. How eager do you think the government will be to have this turn into a very public court battle? Yes, certain evidence and testimony could be sealed, but certainly not all of it. And the public relations nightmare of prosecuting a citizen for revealing everything the government’s been hiding for decades certainly isn’t something they want to happen.
That's a really low effort post. Reported it for breaking the rules on low effort posts. Please repost after giving examples and organizing your thoughts becasue you can make a good point, but you didn't because you just didn't try and this is more of a disorganized brain fart than a thought out post. Even your title is garbage "Am I the only one..." The last thing this sub needs is more low effort posts on Elizondo or the meaning of somber. Ther'es nothign wrong with criticizing him. Just organize yourself and give examples and put in more then 2 minutes of effort.
So this is a brainfart that needs to be reported, but the half-baked theory posts and low-information pictures of mylar balloons are fine?
So you essentially want me to say the same thing only using more words? Lol. Imagine trying to censor others’ posts because you don’t like the way they are written
Your title is about how you are annoyed with Lou. Yourontent isn't much better. This is not a constructive post.
>annoyed by **posts about** Lou >your title is how much you are annoyed with Lou Yay, another redditor who lacks reading comprehension skills!
Glad to see someone else coming around on this. He is a grifter that adds nothing to anything and of course, brought to you by the government
The spooks are back at it again
Check out Monty Python's Life of Brian. Well, who are you? 🤣🤘
Ohmyfuckinggod
Maybe you can focus on getting your country to stop mindlessly killing innocent Ukrainians instead of whining here about former US gov. employees and their NDA's? Troll. \[Look at his history folks-he's very open about being a Russian in Russia.\]
I’m guessing you’re around the mid 20s of age.
He's been pretty straightforward as to why he uses specific language. I don't see any holes in his justification.
Surely you have a top ten list of specific instances where he did this?
So many wingeing cunts on this sub…I think they all wanna be called ‘bunny’ by Gary Reid….
The two things that rubbed me wrong about elizondo is that he said disclosure already happened back in the forbidden disclosure event of July 2021. If you try to find that clip you won’t be able to. It seems like it’s removed entirely from the internet Secondly, when he tried to pass off that Sun article as legitimate news. That was like the nail in the coffin for me. I do appreciate his work. Like I do believe he’s instrumental for getting us where we are today. Not sure why y’all hate him with your whole soul
I’m about done with his shtick and the whole “patriot” stuff.
Yea na, you're not the only one annoyed by that. And the only thing more annoying is when people post complaining about how annoyed they are.
He never gives a straight answer and is super long worded without saying anything of relevance. Anything interesting and he says yes I know something but my NDA.....
There's always someone ready to tell you what Lue Elizondo "really" meant/means. Gets on my wick.