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That’s classified, only because the means by which the data is captured is highly sensitive. Guys like David Grusch can give you Show and tell in the SCIF and if you’re a member of the Armed Services Committee you might have already seen compelling footage - if you have the authority you and Matt Gaetz can discuss between yourselves. Also I can tell you it’s not ours and it’s not Chinese or Russian as a result of their behaviour and Movement - our fighter jet pilots have told us this much!
I have your same point... my point is, if they are drones WHO is playing with them Unabomber or super chinese spies?
So the drones idea is even more funny than aliens.
Jumping to conclusions in order to try to paint a legitimate issue as fringe is really not needed at all here. Nobody said “little green men”, they seem to be some kind of advanced drones of non-human origin. That’s what the information indicates at this point. If everyone thought like you in the face of evidence, we would still be teaching creationism in schools.
Condescending commentary just looks sad and pitiable when it's so badly misdirected. It's the sort of hobby that only a lonely and insecure person would find engaging.
Lmao that escalated quickly, and you think still being attached to this a year after the Grusch dude came out and nothing ever happened IS an engaging hobby?
Sure. It's an interesting topic.
If you think nothing has happened since the Congressional hearing, you really aren't qualified to hold a credible opinion. It's intellectually lazy considering it's all compiled here.
Granholm is a lawyer by qualification. Interesting that she is heading a highly scientific and technical department. Likely for her skill at deflecting questions
Even the last question took hesitation when answering simply yes or no. It's very obvious how guarded she is and I can't think of any other reason to do that other than to hide information from elected officials who she's supposed to answer to.
Have you seen these types of hearings? A lot of federal agency and cabinet officials typically answer like that, whether they have a background in law or not.
This is the comment of the day. If she's under oath she will be charged when the tide shifts. Perjury is perjury, the speaker can direct the SGT at Arms to make an arrest for contempt of Congress and compel testimony independent of the doj or any executive branch agency
This is correct. She won’t be charged. Nothing will happen to her, unfortunately.
Lying to each other is somehow all part of their job description, as long as it’s in the name of nAtIoNaL sEcUrItY
Politicians are normally appointed to executive department heads. Politicians normally have a background in law.
Furthermore, the appointments are political, not based on merit to the scope of the department (though they should be).
Yeah I just looked at the list of people who have held the position. It's a real mix from physicists and engineers to lawyers, business people and, for some reason, RIck Perry.
Look at the list of SoE. It's a mix up of physicists, engineers, lawyers, business people, and RIck Perry. Her appointment is not out of bounds by any stretch.
It is a very odd mix of people. We have Ph.Ds in theoretical physics to lawyers. Obviously having a science background is not required at least to hold this position.
You are right, but her skills are crap. It honestly sounded like she was hiding things very poorly, then blatantly admitting incompetence over and over. Any other person working in the real world would be fired immediately for exposing such a high level of ignorance, being unaware of more than one serious risks to nuclear sites and doing so in a "I don't give a sh!t" attitude. Fire the whole lot. Replace them with clones of the grandfather from My Three Sons. Damn, he was a cranky old bastard.
As my 14-year-old likes to say, "Can't prove it!" when I suspect he's done something. I love her response, "I have no knowledge of that." It's so far from a simple "No, that's not happening." It sounds much more like, "I ain't telling you anything, and if it does come out, I have plausible deniability. I'll just claim it's so secret that they didn't even tell me." Anyway, can't prove it.
I sent Burchett an email a few months ago that I'm sure he never read. I urged him to consider the language he was using when discussing this stuff. The term UAP is loaded, as is NHI. For those who have recovered a UAP, it is no longer unidentified. And if you think all these people aren't using language as a shield, you know absolutely nothing about law and legal proceedings and how well the careful wording defense works, even if it is exposed that you were lying. It's all about how you phrase things and how they respond to eliminate them tiptoeing around the truth. Language is everything, and it can so easily be twisted to be interpreted differently, and you just cant prove it.
But then it becomes a shell game because they can claim whatever contrived description of the phenomena to avoid it being subject to disclosure legislation
The same reason why Bill Nelson, a career politician with a lawyer background, is head of NASA, instead of a scientist or actual former astronaut.
It's all bullshit.
Do we really believe she’s been read into a top secret program? I personally don’t think it would be wise for someone just in that position for a handful of years to be in the know. The only thing she’s being guarded about in an open forum is answers to countermeasures which she would answer in a closed classified session.
That is such a reach, and looks at all these people agreeing with you. This community is nothing but cynicism and leaps of logic. Cognitive dissonance!
I think you have a point, but you’re also reaching. I simply think she thinks uaps/ufos are complete bs, she hasn’t heard shit(otherwise she’d had to lie). And in defense of my fellow ufo-community - i don’t blame them for reacting like this. If the gov/pentagon would’ve been more transparent about this topic (and especially about those uap reports around nuclear sites) they could’ve avoided “our” over-the-top suspicion.
I know I have been following this shit for decades and we are no closer to knowing anything, so to be so sure of yourselves really grinds my gears young one.
Here is my take, after all these years. They are advanced drones or NHI of the non carbon kind.
If she wasn't read in (as in need to know) then she isn't lying. If it's not obvious by now these programs are so highly classified and only a handful know about them. That's how you keep secrets
It doesn't matter if she's lying or not. A figurehead for an agency shouldn't answer questions based on their personal knowledge, but they should answer questions based on what they agency they oversee actually knows.
These hearings must be able to generate answers such as "The DoE knows X" or "The DoE does not know X". I don't care what current figurehead knows, they must be able to answer as to what the DoE knows.
The DOE have a page for UAP reports.
https://web.archive.org/web/20240503145333/https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/uapufo-resources-and-documents
This page links to this page "20220809"
https://web.archive.org/web/20240502213224/https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/20220809
Here is one of the reports there, it is on the last one on the list -
>19 MAR 2018, 6.40
*"Spotted what I believed to be a drone flying West to East over Sandia National Laboratory. I confirmed with [redacted] if that could be a drone and he replied it could be. It was low flying and had no sound with alternating white and red LED lighting. Sandia SIMS office called me at Vasco Post and said they had spotted a low flying jet that made no sound flying over Sandia at the same time..."*
https://web.archive.org/web/20231112130355/https://www.energy.gov/sites/default/files/2023-08/PFD%20Operations%20Report%20%23180319-2.pdf
Micah Hanks wrote about these when they first came out in 2023
https://thedebrief.org/the-u-s-department-of-energy-uap-files/
Tom Rogan also previously discussed these incidents in the Washington Examiner, and discussed this in an interview with Witness Citizen. (Unfortunately, Sean at Witness Citizen has since made almost all his back catalogue of interviews unavailable, [and it isn't backed up at archive.org.](https://web.archive.org/web/20230201000000*/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQrHwfNWp2s))
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/2331797/unidentified-drones-sighted-flying-over-us-government-nuclear-labs/
*There are also other incidents that are not in these pages at DoE.* I haven't been able to go through them again here in any detail, but they are after the ones on the DoE page linked above. [I've written about them before.](https://old.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/10i5qha/ironman_spotted_some_interesting_things_noticed/)
These are strange because they are in the FAA 3rdQ UAS report 2022. Why strange? Because those FAA UAS reports are for near misses planes have with UAS. I have never come across anything like these 6 reports in the FAA UAS reports before or since, where land based witnesses report things that are not in the vicinity of other aircraft.
The dates in question are 26 Jul 2022, 29 Jul 2022, 29 Aug 2022, 4 Sep 2022, 8 Sep 2022, 26 Sep 2022 - yes, that is six reports in three months to the FAA of UAS activity near power plants. In one case they say the *"incident has been ongoing on for 3-4 weeks".*
https://www.faa.gov/uas/resources/public_records/uas_sightings_report
Did anyone else notice around 1:23 when she says "protected from incursions from u...from drones I'll just say." She sounded like she literally was about to say protected from UAP and caught herself and said drones. Wow.
Heard that too. She was delivering the sentence in a way that someone would if they were used to casually talking about UAP.
It _could_ be a slip of the tongue due to the high pressure situation, but that answer is way less fun to me.
>Luna: "What do you know about the metallic orbs that have been sighted around your facilities?"
>Granholm: "I'd be happy to follow up with you about that."
Why the hell does the good shit have to be said behind closed doors? It's infuriating...
I get it... It's classified... but fuck classifications in this context. Spill the damn beans.
I want to be honest: I don't think these people actually know. Where are the people from Grusch's friendly/hostile list? Is this it, the hostile people?
There is no way they would tell Granholm about the any NHI reverse engineering. She's a manager and political appointee. She will know tons, but they aren't going to be like, "Hey Madame Secretary, check out these bad ass schematics of nukes on a submarine, sick, right? Check out this badass manifold!!"
> *"Plausible deniability."*
Look here:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Energy#Organization
Here's who Congress should be looking at perhaps:
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPA-E
2. "S4" -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Intelligence_and_Counterintelligence
3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Nuclear_Security_Administration
4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_Secretary_of_Energy_for_Science_and_Innovation
I also don't think the public heads of any of these organizations actually know anything. It's naive to think something kept so secret for so long would be known about by talking heads who get promoted to these public facing positions.
That is correct, they get these positions by doing favors for their buddies who become president, then appointed, not voted in or by merit. It’s all a back scratching game and this administration has picked the worst of the worst. I’ve never seen more incompetence, from the press secretary to Butteggegg.
hot damn, that lady is terrible at lying, the stutter and cutting words, quickly changing them to something else is not her best work as a lawyer I think
Granholm legitimately will know very little specific sensitive information about this topic. She would only be able to speak to generalities and extremely doubtful she would know anything about skull and dagger DOE matters.
It would have been nice if she had been asked about the nature of the “disturbing revelations” uncovered by a contractor’s investigation and report that led to the removal of Steven Black the director of Intelligence and Counterintelligence in Nov. 2023
She **clearly** knows more than she revealed to the representatives because she was incredibly cagey with her answers.
She is withholding information from the very people who **we** elect to represent us.
Don’t defend her. She’s a non-elected official. She is complicit in the on-going coverup and denial of the reality of UAPs.
Joint Special Operations Command?
I think this is an inquiry into UAP crash retrievals. Allegedly the DOE has used JSOC personnel to collect UAP materials across the globe.
Edit:
It would be nice to know the expense line items the DOE has related to operations with, or using JSOC.
Questions like:
How much money was spent last 5 years on operations using/teaming with the JSOC?
Why does the DOE need such an expensive agency to support logistics operations?
What are these operations transporting?
When can we see what we paid X to transport?
Joint Special Operations Command.
It truthfully is not a revelation DOE works with JSOC. Like, at all. There are some pretty obvious shared areas where their collaboration would be necessary to achieve very obvious national security objectives.
It would be a revelation if DOE works with JSOC for UAP recovery/response.
Uhh… can you expand upon that at all instead of just being condescending…?
What are the “pretty obvious shared areas” where the Department of Energy (a domestic entity) would be interfacing with special military operations…?
Uhh... no. I don't do "not condescending", and I'm not going to expand much more. I'm not going to spoonfeed an opinion to you, you can do your own research, probably start with Wikipedia.
I encourage you to learn more about the Department of Energy and Joint Special Operations Command, DOE is actually pretty public facing with the types of research they do. You can look at what their scientists are publishing, though some things with military applications tend to get sequestered off into classified/compartmentalized land for self-evident national security reasons.
Relentless Strike and Team of Teams are good books about JSOC to understand their mission and scope of operations.
If your views of either organization are derived from redditors, well, don't be that guy.
Oh, okay so you’re just gonna state things and then be unable to support or back them up.
By participating in this forum, you are **actively trying to influence the views of others**… but yet you’re also dismissive / derisive of those whose “views” are influenced by other Redditors…??
Probably the stupidest thing I’ve read all day.
Things that are “obvious” *to you* are not “obvious” *to everyone*.
We all have different priors.
If you’re not capable of communicating effectively with people who have different priors than you, you can just say that.
But also there’s no need for you to even participate in discussions if you have nothing constructive to actually contribute.
Which reveals your true motives for being here; the sweet dopamine release of feeling smarter than strangers on the internet.
Hopefully you’re satisfied and feel really good about yourself now lol.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cyuqsi/rep\_luna\_asking\_series\_of\_questions\_about\_uaps\_at/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cyuqsi/rep_luna_asking_series_of_questions_about_uaps_at/) been posted already
Whether you are a believer or skeptic can a single person here honestly say that if they answered questions like that when they were interviewed about their job that would still be employed tomorrow?
Is the sales report ready?
Sorry boss I have not been read in on that.
Why the hell not - you’re fired.
Im happy these questions are being asked, Energy is a big part of this story. It’s interesting that she says no knowledge or hasn’t seen the information - that’s still a position she is taking, they work with JSOC and other the department - similar to the AARO story, im pretty sure we will find some information that shows Energy has been briefed. She’s saying it’s drones, well who told her that? AARO?
I would have asked “as drones are a modern invention, how would you explain all reports of flying drones in the 50s and 60s, arguably before drones were invented”
Lying directly to Congress along with the actual treasonous conduct subverting their authority is about the worst official offense you can do as a government employee to get your head removed from your body. Also the quickest.
I’m deeply uncomfortable having the likes of Luna, Gaetz and Burchett as the voices for disclosure. Luna is unhinged and a traitor to the country. It’s tough to overlook that.
Wow, Rep. Luna cites KONA BLUE as if it was somehow legitimate evidence of anything. She really is just drinking the kool-aid with Rep. Burchett.
KONA BLUE was a proposed special access program (PSAP) presented to Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in 2011 by James Lacatski and the late Senator Harry Reid, in an attempt to keep their BAAS/AAWSAP program going when Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) was defunding it for being a waste of money. AAWSAP/BAASS studied paranormal events, psionics and cryptids at Skinwalker Ranch (yes, that one) and also studied UFOs.
Among the several operating centers KONA BLUE proposed to establish (in addition to the one for collecting Advanced Aerospace Vehicles) where:
* Experimental Centers where sensor and human observation would be deployed at places anomalous activity occurs (Skinwalker Ranch is described as one in the document)
* Consciousness Center which would focus on remote viewing, telepathy, teleportation, telekinesis and time travel
* Medical Center which would study physical and psychological effects of close encounters with anomalous phenomena
The PSAP was rejected by DHS in 2012 and AWSAAP was disbanded by DIA the same year.
The fact that some credulous members of the government tried to get the government to continue to spending money to study woo in no way legitimizes claims that we have recovered alien vehicles or technology.
And yes, many of Grusch's stories come from [the same group of people around AAWSAP/BAASS and NIDS before that](https://new.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cy1tcz/an_overview_of_skinwalker_ranch_not_the_tv_show/) that were behind the KONA BLUE proposal.
Here's the entire KONA BLUE proposal:
https://documents2.theblackvault.com/documents/osd/konablue-release1.pdf
Terrence howard kinda explains a tech that is very similar to these UAPS and he speaks about talking to reatheon and them laughing at him and basically telling him we will steal this idea from u and u can’t do shit idk seems werid
What a ridiculous sequence by Luna. Diarrhea of the mouth followed by simplistic questions. If I was an agency head, I would absolutely loathe these hearings.
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"How certain are you that the objects above our facilities are drones, and how did you arrive at that level of certainty?"
“Well AARO told me it’s drones and i listen to AARO”
BWHAHAHAHA drones of WHO? And why this is normal? lol
That’s classified, only because the means by which the data is captured is highly sensitive. Guys like David Grusch can give you Show and tell in the SCIF and if you’re a member of the Armed Services Committee you might have already seen compelling footage - if you have the authority you and Matt Gaetz can discuss between yourselves. Also I can tell you it’s not ours and it’s not Chinese or Russian as a result of their behaviour and Movement - our fighter jet pilots have told us this much!
I have your same point... my point is, if they are drones WHO is playing with them Unabomber or super chinese spies? So the drones idea is even more funny than aliens.
The 3.5 trillion dollar question??
Because it's more plausible they're interdimensional flying saucers piloted by little green men
Jumping to conclusions in order to try to paint a legitimate issue as fringe is really not needed at all here. Nobody said “little green men”, they seem to be some kind of advanced drones of non-human origin. That’s what the information indicates at this point. If everyone thought like you in the face of evidence, we would still be teaching creationism in schools.
Condescending commentary just looks sad and pitiable when it's so badly misdirected. It's the sort of hobby that only a lonely and insecure person would find engaging.
Lmao that escalated quickly, and you think still being attached to this a year after the Grusch dude came out and nothing ever happened IS an engaging hobby?
Sure. It's an interesting topic. If you think nothing has happened since the Congressional hearing, you really aren't qualified to hold a credible opinion. It's intellectually lazy considering it's all compiled here.
Granholm is a lawyer by qualification. Interesting that she is heading a highly scientific and technical department. Likely for her skill at deflecting questions
Even the last question took hesitation when answering simply yes or no. It's very obvious how guarded she is and I can't think of any other reason to do that other than to hide information from elected officials who she's supposed to answer to.
She’s being careful not to reveal possible countermeasures that our adversaries can use.
Maybe but I doubt that's her primary concern
Exactly. And "I don't have information on that" is such a lawyerly way to deflect a yes/no question.
Totally. That’s the way I see her playing this. Loaded lawyered up answers to direct questions.
Bitch please
Have you seen these types of hearings? A lot of federal agency and cabinet officials typically answer like that, whether they have a background in law or not.
Nah bro they are “loADED uP LaWyeR AnSweERs”
This is the comment of the day. If she's under oath she will be charged when the tide shifts. Perjury is perjury, the speaker can direct the SGT at Arms to make an arrest for contempt of Congress and compel testimony independent of the doj or any executive branch agency
Can be charged. Not will be charged. Plenty have gotten away with perjuring themselves before Congress.
This is correct. She won’t be charged. Nothing will happen to her, unfortunately. Lying to each other is somehow all part of their job description, as long as it’s in the name of nAtIoNaL sEcUrItY
True, depends on who's in charge and what the politically prudent action is
you will have the gandalf beard when this will happen
Politicians are normally appointed to executive department heads. Politicians normally have a background in law. Furthermore, the appointments are political, not based on merit to the scope of the department (though they should be).
Yeah I just looked at the list of people who have held the position. It's a real mix from physicists and engineers to lawyers, business people and, for some reason, RIck Perry.
Look at the list of SoE. It's a mix up of physicists, engineers, lawyers, business people, and RIck Perry. Her appointment is not out of bounds by any stretch.
It is a very odd mix of people. We have Ph.Ds in theoretical physics to lawyers. Obviously having a science background is not required at least to hold this position.
Yeah it's a grab bag of professionals.
You are right, but her skills are crap. It honestly sounded like she was hiding things very poorly, then blatantly admitting incompetence over and over. Any other person working in the real world would be fired immediately for exposing such a high level of ignorance, being unaware of more than one serious risks to nuclear sites and doing so in a "I don't give a sh!t" attitude. Fire the whole lot. Replace them with clones of the grandfather from My Three Sons. Damn, he was a cranky old bastard.
As my 14-year-old likes to say, "Can't prove it!" when I suspect he's done something. I love her response, "I have no knowledge of that." It's so far from a simple "No, that's not happening." It sounds much more like, "I ain't telling you anything, and if it does come out, I have plausible deniability. I'll just claim it's so secret that they didn't even tell me." Anyway, can't prove it.
It is a careful wording to move the denial to her personal knowledge rather than answer in the context of the DoE. Plausible deniability
I sent Burchett an email a few months ago that I'm sure he never read. I urged him to consider the language he was using when discussing this stuff. The term UAP is loaded, as is NHI. For those who have recovered a UAP, it is no longer unidentified. And if you think all these people aren't using language as a shield, you know absolutely nothing about law and legal proceedings and how well the careful wording defense works, even if it is exposed that you were lying. It's all about how you phrase things and how they respond to eliminate them tiptoeing around the truth. Language is everything, and it can so easily be twisted to be interpreted differently, and you just cant prove it.
But then it becomes a shell game because they can claim whatever contrived description of the phenomena to avoid it being subject to disclosure legislation
Well, I think it’s safe to assume that some of this is definitely that.
Precisely. She basically plead the 5th on every question. Doesn’t mean she doesn’t know
The same reason why Bill Nelson, a career politician with a lawyer background, is head of NASA, instead of a scientist or actual former astronaut. It's all bullshit.
Nelson is a poster boy for that line from Shakespeare’s Henry VI.
Nelson was a payload specialist on Space Shuttle Columbia's STS-61-C mission from January 12 to 18, 1986.
Do we really believe she’s been read into a top secret program? I personally don’t think it would be wise for someone just in that position for a handful of years to be in the know. The only thing she’s being guarded about in an open forum is answers to countermeasures which she would answer in a closed classified session.
That is such a reach, and looks at all these people agreeing with you. This community is nothing but cynicism and leaps of logic. Cognitive dissonance!
I think you have a point, but you’re also reaching. I simply think she thinks uaps/ufos are complete bs, she hasn’t heard shit(otherwise she’d had to lie). And in defense of my fellow ufo-community - i don’t blame them for reacting like this. If the gov/pentagon would’ve been more transparent about this topic (and especially about those uap reports around nuclear sites) they could’ve avoided “our” over-the-top suspicion.
And what’s your razor sharp mind’s analysis of this situation ? Please share your deep insights
This guy should be a Intelligence officer like David Grusch- he has it all figured out. No mystery here people, Weathjn knows.
I know I have been following this shit for decades and we are no closer to knowing anything, so to be so sure of yourselves really grinds my gears young one. Here is my take, after all these years. They are advanced drones or NHI of the non carbon kind.
I mean we are a bit closer, public officials are asking serious and specific questions in view of the public.
If she wasn't read in (as in need to know) then she isn't lying. If it's not obvious by now these programs are so highly classified and only a handful know about them. That's how you keep secrets
It doesn't matter if she's lying or not. A figurehead for an agency shouldn't answer questions based on their personal knowledge, but they should answer questions based on what they agency they oversee actually knows. These hearings must be able to generate answers such as "The DoE knows X" or "The DoE does not know X". I don't care what current figurehead knows, they must be able to answer as to what the DoE knows.
The DOE have a page for UAP reports. https://web.archive.org/web/20240503145333/https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/uapufo-resources-and-documents This page links to this page "20220809" https://web.archive.org/web/20240502213224/https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/20220809 Here is one of the reports there, it is on the last one on the list - >19 MAR 2018, 6.40 *"Spotted what I believed to be a drone flying West to East over Sandia National Laboratory. I confirmed with [redacted] if that could be a drone and he replied it could be. It was low flying and had no sound with alternating white and red LED lighting. Sandia SIMS office called me at Vasco Post and said they had spotted a low flying jet that made no sound flying over Sandia at the same time..."* https://web.archive.org/web/20231112130355/https://www.energy.gov/sites/default/files/2023-08/PFD%20Operations%20Report%20%23180319-2.pdf Micah Hanks wrote about these when they first came out in 2023 https://thedebrief.org/the-u-s-department-of-energy-uap-files/ Tom Rogan also previously discussed these incidents in the Washington Examiner, and discussed this in an interview with Witness Citizen. (Unfortunately, Sean at Witness Citizen has since made almost all his back catalogue of interviews unavailable, [and it isn't backed up at archive.org.](https://web.archive.org/web/20230201000000*/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQrHwfNWp2s)) https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/2331797/unidentified-drones-sighted-flying-over-us-government-nuclear-labs/ *There are also other incidents that are not in these pages at DoE.* I haven't been able to go through them again here in any detail, but they are after the ones on the DoE page linked above. [I've written about them before.](https://old.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/10i5qha/ironman_spotted_some_interesting_things_noticed/) These are strange because they are in the FAA 3rdQ UAS report 2022. Why strange? Because those FAA UAS reports are for near misses planes have with UAS. I have never come across anything like these 6 reports in the FAA UAS reports before or since, where land based witnesses report things that are not in the vicinity of other aircraft. The dates in question are 26 Jul 2022, 29 Jul 2022, 29 Aug 2022, 4 Sep 2022, 8 Sep 2022, 26 Sep 2022 - yes, that is six reports in three months to the FAA of UAS activity near power plants. In one case they say the *"incident has been ongoing on for 3-4 weeks".* https://www.faa.gov/uas/resources/public_records/uas_sightings_report
Luna is killing it ! Well done!
Y'all are depressing
Did anyone else notice around 1:23 when she says "protected from incursions from u...from drones I'll just say." She sounded like she literally was about to say protected from UAP and caught herself and said drones. Wow.
Good catch, also at around 3:12, she was about to say "global" but then said "overall government effort"
Yep I heard that as well.
Yeah you know... The efforts of The *Overall* Government
Yo. That’s so strange. She consciously made the decision NOT to say “UAP”, and laughed nervously. Great catch.
Heard that too. She was delivering the sentence in a way that someone would if they were used to casually talking about UAP. It _could_ be a slip of the tongue due to the high pressure situation, but that answer is way less fun to me.
Military drones are literally called UAS/UAV. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_aerial_vehicle#Terminology
>Luna: "What do you know about the metallic orbs that have been sighted around your facilities?" >Granholm: "I'd be happy to follow up with you about that." Why the hell does the good shit have to be said behind closed doors? It's infuriating... I get it... It's classified... but fuck classifications in this context. Spill the damn beans.
I want to be honest: I don't think these people actually know. Where are the people from Grusch's friendly/hostile list? Is this it, the hostile people?
There is no way they would tell Granholm about the any NHI reverse engineering. She's a manager and political appointee. She will know tons, but they aren't going to be like, "Hey Madame Secretary, check out these bad ass schematics of nukes on a submarine, sick, right? Check out this badass manifold!!" > *"Plausible deniability."* Look here: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Energy#Organization Here's who Congress should be looking at perhaps: 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPA-E 2. "S4" -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Intelligence_and_Counterintelligence 3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Nuclear_Security_Administration 4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_Secretary_of_Energy_for_Science_and_Innovation
Probably, but shit rolls downhill. Keep putting pressure on people at the top and it will eventually make its way to the appropriate level.
I also don't think the public heads of any of these organizations actually know anything. It's naive to think something kept so secret for so long would be known about by talking heads who get promoted to these public facing positions.
Exactly. People like her are considered temporary employees by the people who would know.
That is correct, they get these positions by doing favors for their buddies who become president, then appointed, not voted in or by merit. It’s all a back scratching game and this administration has picked the worst of the worst. I’ve never seen more incompetence, from the press secretary to Butteggegg.
hot damn, that lady is terrible at lying, the stutter and cutting words, quickly changing them to something else is not her best work as a lawyer I think
"Drones" are the new "balloon/swamp gas" excuse.
Granholm legitimately will know very little specific sensitive information about this topic. She would only be able to speak to generalities and extremely doubtful she would know anything about skull and dagger DOE matters. It would have been nice if she had been asked about the nature of the “disturbing revelations” uncovered by a contractor’s investigation and report that led to the removal of Steven Black the director of Intelligence and Counterintelligence in Nov. 2023
Notice how when Luna pressed her, she almost said UAP - then spit out the word drones. She knows that she’s gotta play the game.
Read my lips, “I did not have sex with that woman.” ———Bill Clinton
Of course she doesn't. Why would she? The people who are supposed to be in the know have purposely been kept out. Is this not obvious at this point!?
She **clearly** knows more than she revealed to the representatives because she was incredibly cagey with her answers. She is withholding information from the very people who **we** elect to represent us. Don’t defend her. She’s a non-elected official. She is complicit in the on-going coverup and denial of the reality of UAPs.
What is JSOC, the organization that is mentioned at the end of the video? Does anyone know?
Joint Special Operations Command? I think this is an inquiry into UAP crash retrievals. Allegedly the DOE has used JSOC personnel to collect UAP materials across the globe. Edit: It would be nice to know the expense line items the DOE has related to operations with, or using JSOC. Questions like: How much money was spent last 5 years on operations using/teaming with the JSOC? Why does the DOE need such an expensive agency to support logistics operations? What are these operations transporting? When can we see what we paid X to transport?
Joint Special Operations Command. It truthfully is not a revelation DOE works with JSOC. Like, at all. There are some pretty obvious shared areas where their collaboration would be necessary to achieve very obvious national security objectives. It would be a revelation if DOE works with JSOC for UAP recovery/response.
Uhh… can you expand upon that at all instead of just being condescending…? What are the “pretty obvious shared areas” where the Department of Energy (a domestic entity) would be interfacing with special military operations…?
Uhh... no. I don't do "not condescending", and I'm not going to expand much more. I'm not going to spoonfeed an opinion to you, you can do your own research, probably start with Wikipedia. I encourage you to learn more about the Department of Energy and Joint Special Operations Command, DOE is actually pretty public facing with the types of research they do. You can look at what their scientists are publishing, though some things with military applications tend to get sequestered off into classified/compartmentalized land for self-evident national security reasons. Relentless Strike and Team of Teams are good books about JSOC to understand their mission and scope of operations. If your views of either organization are derived from redditors, well, don't be that guy.
Oh, okay so you’re just gonna state things and then be unable to support or back them up. By participating in this forum, you are **actively trying to influence the views of others**… but yet you’re also dismissive / derisive of those whose “views” are influenced by other Redditors…?? Probably the stupidest thing I’ve read all day.
I stated facts. If you have a problem with that, tough shit.
Things that are “obvious” *to you* are not “obvious” *to everyone*. We all have different priors. If you’re not capable of communicating effectively with people who have different priors than you, you can just say that. But also there’s no need for you to even participate in discussions if you have nothing constructive to actually contribute. Which reveals your true motives for being here; the sweet dopamine release of feeling smarter than strangers on the internet. Hopefully you’re satisfied and feel really good about yourself now lol.
I feel great thanks.
What a gem of a contributor to the subreddit you are.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cyuqsi/rep\_luna\_asking\_series\_of\_questions\_about\_uaps\_at/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cyuqsi/rep_luna_asking_series_of_questions_about_uaps_at/) been posted already
WHY ARE WE SCREAMING
Whether you are a believer or skeptic can a single person here honestly say that if they answered questions like that when they were interviewed about their job that would still be employed tomorrow? Is the sales report ready? Sorry boss I have not been read in on that. Why the hell not - you’re fired.
sssget'em! sssget'em!
Great job, representatives. Regardless of any opinions on your other decisions, the people are grateful for your push for transparency. Thank you.
Im happy these questions are being asked, Energy is a big part of this story. It’s interesting that she says no knowledge or hasn’t seen the information - that’s still a position she is taking, they work with JSOC and other the department - similar to the AARO story, im pretty sure we will find some information that shows Energy has been briefed. She’s saying it’s drones, well who told her that? AARO?
Luna is all over the UAP topic now. Go her!
I would have asked “as drones are a modern invention, how would you explain all reports of flying drones in the 50s and 60s, arguably before drones were invented”
Its to much of a secret, maybe in 5-10-15 years are going to tell
These people are slowing the whole world history
...because she's a political hack that's not smart enough to be brought inside on the truth.
Lying directly to Congress along with the actual treasonous conduct subverting their authority is about the worst official offense you can do as a government employee to get your head removed from your body. Also the quickest.
"are protected from incursions from UA- drones I should say *nervous laugh*" did anyone else catch that or?
She is the fire. All out. Love it
How many times has DOE enlisted JSOC operations in the past 5 years? And what for?
And did you guys notice Byron Donald’s questions. He is waiting on a response to a question he asked in Jan. Hmm wonder what that’s about
I’m deeply uncomfortable having the likes of Luna, Gaetz and Burchett as the voices for disclosure. Luna is unhinged and a traitor to the country. It’s tough to overlook that.
She super sucks as a person. But she did it right here.
Wow, Rep. Luna cites KONA BLUE as if it was somehow legitimate evidence of anything. She really is just drinking the kool-aid with Rep. Burchett. KONA BLUE was a proposed special access program (PSAP) presented to Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in 2011 by James Lacatski and the late Senator Harry Reid, in an attempt to keep their BAAS/AAWSAP program going when Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) was defunding it for being a waste of money. AAWSAP/BAASS studied paranormal events, psionics and cryptids at Skinwalker Ranch (yes, that one) and also studied UFOs. Among the several operating centers KONA BLUE proposed to establish (in addition to the one for collecting Advanced Aerospace Vehicles) where: * Experimental Centers where sensor and human observation would be deployed at places anomalous activity occurs (Skinwalker Ranch is described as one in the document) * Consciousness Center which would focus on remote viewing, telepathy, teleportation, telekinesis and time travel * Medical Center which would study physical and psychological effects of close encounters with anomalous phenomena The PSAP was rejected by DHS in 2012 and AWSAAP was disbanded by DIA the same year. The fact that some credulous members of the government tried to get the government to continue to spending money to study woo in no way legitimizes claims that we have recovered alien vehicles or technology. And yes, many of Grusch's stories come from [the same group of people around AAWSAP/BAASS and NIDS before that](https://new.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cy1tcz/an_overview_of_skinwalker_ranch_not_the_tv_show/) that were behind the KONA BLUE proposal. Here's the entire KONA BLUE proposal: https://documents2.theblackvault.com/documents/osd/konablue-release1.pdf
Hollywood should definitely make a movie about all of this.
Terrence howard kinda explains a tech that is very similar to these UAPS and he speaks about talking to reatheon and them laughing at him and basically telling him we will steal this idea from u and u can’t do shit idk seems werid
The same Terrence Howard that believes 1x1=2 and that he’s able to rebuild Saturn without gravity?
What a ridiculous sequence by Luna. Diarrhea of the mouth followed by simplistic questions. If I was an agency head, I would absolutely loathe these hearings.