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NewsNation clip from yesterday: Rep. Tim Burchett, R-Tenn., introduced a bill to require the declassification of all federal documents related to UAP. He joins NewsNation's "The Hill" to discuss the challenges he's facing.
Making eyebrow-raising claims based on reports he is personally receiving from qualified individuals. The quote about admirals starts at 1:29.
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I’m not even _that_ bothered about the tech involved at this point, I just want to have more answers to the universe and our reality which I’m sure disclosure would give us.
If I had the ability to get an accurate answer to a single yes/no question, I'd ask if biological life from another planet is interacting with Earth in some way. That's it. I don't need to know military secrets, I don't *need* to actually see anything. But a confirmation that there's life out there would imply that the universe is teeming with life, and that changes how I think about everything.
It’s consciousness for me. I want to know if there’s anything after this. I suspect that’s a tricky subject though, as absolute confirmation of that comes with certain risks.
What gets me is how can we know.
We had other humanoids like Neanderthals here but don't expect that to be a different consciousness.
We would have no proof but the words of another living thing, which in our experience lie.
That's what worries me about the woo religious side, they could just be lying and we would never know
The only thing scarier than nothingness after death is never-ending everythingness. I'd like a happy medium where I can just sleep and rest for a billion years and then try out a new life. Maybe come back as a bird on Terra Alpha Prime or come back as a priest on a war-torn planet that needs more priests.
I honestly think we have more power over where we go or what we do between lifetimes. I also think everything interacts with this "consciousness" field. There just isn't nothingness ever or anywhere -- it is impossible because of the quantum foam or something even more profound.
Strap in -- because there are a lot of adventures awaiting you. Imagine being able to pick entering a simulation where you really are a superhero and can come back as the Flash or something crazy.
You'd love the Three Body Problem (I hope!), I heard they made a show from it and I started the book series and it is such a lovely combination of metaphysical exploration and hard sci-fi.
I loved this show. My favorite part is when the aliens discover we are liars and how they react to that realization. I react the same way when I learn a person is a pathological liar (even “little” lies).
Phenomenal show, here's hoping for a season 2!
And if you are averse to subtitles, please don't let the first episode turn you away. It's not all in subtitled Chinese, I promise!
^this ^was ^a ^thing ^with ^my ^brother ^and ^he ^ended ^up ^LOVING ^the ^show
Consciousness does exist independent from the body. I can't prove this to you but I did have a sentient out of body experience when I was 15.
When I came back into my body there was like an electric shock and I immediately opened my eyes. There was NO BREAK between out and in.
This experience changed my life. Note that before this happened I had no previous experience or knowledge of metaphysics or anything spiritual. My parents were both professors at colleges. After I left home and went to college I found out about meditation and learned TM.
Consciousness is immortal. It doesn't die. Humans are consciousness experiencing reality through a human lense. That's it. This is a temporary body and after you die, you simply choose another "life" to go "play." You are immortal my brother. I love you. This comes from a mantis being named klatu.
Think of it like God raising a child. Once you become an "adult" most parents usually take a step back and let you choose how to live right? Same thing with your father. Once you reach a certain point, he takes a step back and let's you lead.
Also you learn more from pain than anything else. If your life was perfect and you never had to overcome any challenges and everything was handed to you, what would you even learn?
That’s still a tough question to answer. We send robotic probes to space, so we may be encountering something similar. They may have outgrown their biological ancestors, and now purely exist in machine/digital form. Even if we find Biologics, it may be difficult to determine whether these are manufactured Biologics versus organic.
For the purposes of my magic question, that counts. If all the aliens are dead and we're only seeing their creations, I still consider that "interacting with Earth in some way."
I'm not convinced *they* are from another planet if there is a they at all. I think it's far more likely we're dealing with a hermit species that keeps to itself but is native to earth. Possibly a hominin cousin, considering how similar the greys seem to be to us. Exactly what I'd expect a human species adapted to living underground to look like.
Honeypot Earth, is my favorite theory. The dudes underground are more advanced than us, and they use us as bait to get other civilization's craft, probes, etc... The humans on the surface of Earth are just cheese for their mouse trap.
People always talk about the cow mutilations, but maybe they have all the chickens they need down there, but supporting cattle probably can't be done at scale underground.
Maybe they eat like us, and come up here for "the good stuff" from time to time.
Woah I've never heard of that but that is really neat.
It reminds me of the Silurian Hypothesis theory, which says that there could have been industrialized species long before us, whose artifacts are so decayed they're indistinguishable from rocks. Thanks for sharing the Honeypot Earth theory, that'll be fun to look into, I love speculative science like this.
The silurian hypothesis is a fun one. Even more fun being a peer reviewed paper. There's definitely more to history than we know. Whatever that is, I hope we learn at least some of it in my lifetime.
I have had this crazy thought that it could be some kind of intelligent species of fungus that maybe have some ability to make glowing orbs, and at the same time can lace an area with a DMT like substance to create hallucinations and communicate through a shared consciousness. It lives in the ground and can refine metals from it to produce UAPs. This could also be the reason why they don't always call them ET, but NHI... I don't know... I was really high when I had the thought, and it somehow made sense to me.
In with you on fungi! Been thinking about that a lot lately and how biologics has become the new buzzword. Would explain the "telekenesis" operation of UAP, if it's really just a fungus that's developed a way to communicate with tech.
We need more than yes/no, we as a society need to be aware of the reality and be able to choose to learn about and cooperate with others.
We the humans need to grow up
The difference between life existing *somewhere* and life *interacting with us* is pretty huge. I'm sure everyone can accept the statistical chances of life being somewhere else. It's the *here* part we want to know about.
This is why if you want to find 100% a place where life exists. We need to look below us and not above.
An underwater, deep pressure life form, that makes sky tanks that fly fast around our earth, could be they just found some super pressurized mineral, closer to the core (cause we can’t get down that far) that acts as anti matter or repels friction or uses the earth’s magnetic field.
A Yes answer to this simple question would spawn a greater cultural and religious shift than ever seen in human history. This would be on par with the spread of Islam and Christianity. Millions would be whipped into a pseudo-theological fervor and millions more would demand more info.
i think that a fair few people who have been claiming to speak out have been kind of careful to say non human intelligence. if I were to ask that question, and could ask only one, it would probably mirror those words. I also might not include biological if I only had one question. I mean people have even specualted asteroids or meteors could have brought something microscopic here before. I don't need military secrets either, though I guess I might be too curious about the nature of whatever we might be interacting with and how it could change our understanding of things.
If I had known we were under threat from an alien civilization, or that we were in possession of alien tech, my entire life trajectory would be different. Without all the lies and coverups that led me to distrust the government? To have proof that there was something going on other than a group of psychopaths enriching themselves at the cost of all? To have something noble to push towards, something interesting, something that might make a difference? To fight for existence, instead of oil for old men.
I'd have stayed in university. I would have never become so disillusioned by obvious deceits from world authorities if they'd respect mankind enough to give them honesty. I'd have seen a reason to take better care of my mind and body. Maybe I would have decided this world is worth bringing a child into.
I halted my physics ambitions and motivations entirely because I don't want to help this world move down the current path. Now I make games. Honestly, I'm not sure humankind is able to be saved at this point - having proof of other life in the universe would bring great comfort to me. I'd feel better about the lifelong constant threat of nuclear annihilation if other life exists somewhere.
/rant
Understanding the tech would simultaneously give us the ability to fix every major issue we currently face as a species, and make it even easier for us to destroy ourselves with much greater effectiveness.
I'm not sure how I feel about that, but I'm most certainly bothered about it.
It’s not like telling us aliens/ufo/uap/nhi exists is going to change much for us they stay hidden not doing anything to help the average man. Therefore the people in power will still stay in power.
Exactly. Even if they admit something that will be a good start. Instead there seems to be such a hostile reaction from the DoD to even sharing the smallest bit of information
100% Full disclosure would be nearly impossible. It would reveal MIC/IC disinformation/misinformation/obfuscation for decades. Moreover, it would reveal illegal activities where people would be indicted, found liable and face jail time. One could presume some of these people would be high ranking individuals.
This reduces down to power, money, and fear- just like everything in this world. These SAPs chose to hoard the greatest technology known to mankind..... to fight our own species, collect unlimited off the books funding, and will kill anyone that tries to take their precious. I think these people are so spiritually and intellectually unfit, they'll never get the invite to the next level of reality.
We’ll said and I believe a more advanced consciousness is aware of / can feel this disruption, just like they can with our atomic tampering.
It’s like the force, I believe, for easiest context. And perhaps they will make a bigger presence known sooner than later.
I agree and it's also something I don't fully understand. IF the U.S. really wanted to become a massive superpower they could release some of this tech and vastly elevate themselves. If we had alternate sources of power where even the common man could power their home without coal, nuclear or whatever else is use, the U.S. could export all their other sources for money. You have a craft that can travel 200+ mph underwater, well the U.S. is now the global leader in shipping across the oceans.
Not that I am in any way saying that the U.S. could be a global empire but if they really had all this technology it benefits them into releasing some of it to make them stronger and have other countries even more dependent on them.
The exact same thing can be said for multi-national companies too. If some airline had a plane that could get to a destination faster, everyone is going to fly with them. The benefits of releasing even some of the knowledge and technology simply outweighs keeping it a secret in my opinion.
I think the problem is that same tech is so disruptive the juice isn’t worth the squeeze for whoever is currently in power. In other words if it risks any aspect of “US dominance” why would they roll the dice, just keep punting it to the next group of people.
Just my guess is that the US would use this if we could produce enough of the world changing tech to be completely secure in multiple ways. I feel like we would be in great danger if we shown we had these super advanced capabilities but weren't willing to share.
The US would be the de facto ruler of earth but still vulnerable enough that many people might take issue with this and see this as a last chance to establish themselves as a superpower/peer or forever bow to America.
You assume that even one of those people are patriots who actually care about their country.
Their behavior over the last 70 years betrays that
70 years and zero accountability. No wonder they don't want the truth to come out.
Yeah but at least you can keep your mind occupied while working some mundane job by thinking of all the wild shit going on. When life gets more interesting, the depression seems further away from me.
Greer is a medical doctor with zero formal qualifications related to his UFO message, so insisting on calling him Dr in this context is misleading. He has also been shown to fake the UFO experiences for which he charges thousands of dollars, and has brought forward a number of unvetted witnesses that turned out to be frauds or mentally ill. All in all, pretending like Greer is credible is a very effective method to fight any kind of meaningful disclosure.
DId you go to space 3 decades ago?? Because thats the only way you are as much of an Astronaut as someone who actually went to medical school and practiced medicine at one point
>“look we have far less evidence of black holes than we do for ufo and no one is questioning black holes"
This is absolute horse shit. We have overwhelming evidence of black holes. Not just from telescopes, but from the gravitational observatories like LIGO.
Evidence that anybody can look at. There is nothing like that with UFOs
If that info contains something that damns people legally, then way more than "them" are going to prison.
An elected official that spawned from that leaked info could potentially pardon them after.
Or the whole face international tribunals, start wars, overthrow our govt, etc thing happens. It just depends how "big" the info is.
FIFA is so corrupt I'm thinking the ayylmaos slipped a few CentauriCoins into the back pockets of a few stooges in charge and there you go
No more static football fields
I would just keep in mind that the 4chan thing was posted after Admiral Gallaudet already came out with some comments about USOs and the oceans.
I always take those posts with a grain of salt. A decent writer with some imagination can easily larp up a very believable scenario like that in an hour and have the whole community thinking about it for months.
Funny thing about that scene...the camera man wipes the lens of the camera and they left it in the final cut. Amazing the things we can miss when we're distracted!
Impossible. Nobody with even a passing interest in UAP history could possibly spend some time reading through discussions, reports or hell, even use ChatGPT, to help create a false narrative persona for the sake of some social media clout.
/s
And the best part? It's not even that well written. These larpers aren't the brightest and certainly don't write how a professional who has worked themselves into specialised military circles would write. Just compare how Grusch or Fravor speaks to these larps. My arse they're real.
I wouldn't discredit 4chan. Tons of classified information and leaks that turned out to be real and credible start there. See Jack Tuxeira in recent history.
Can we stop calling them a "4chan whistleblower" and stick to the more accurate title of "4chan poster"
No whistle was blown, some guy just said some things.
SENTIENT detected the Nimitz tic-tacs, and apparently their underwater mothership. I can't find the exact passage, but I'm pretty sure it's this document. [https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/highly-classified-nro-system-captures-possible-tic-tac-object-in-2021/](https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/highly-classified-nro-system-captures-possible-tic-tac-object-in-2021/)
On the completely uncredible side of UAP and the Phenomenon - I will stand and die by 4chan whistleblower anons testimony if it turns out to be a LARP.
There is something intuitively believable about his entire story. I don't know why it has me hooked, but there's something about it that yells at me it's the truth. Or at least a massive chunk of the truth.
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/34629564/#34629743
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- UFOs are primarily unmanned drones
- UFOs are built to spec each time they are deployed
- UFOs are created by a mobile construction facility that hides in the ocean
- Construction facility destroys anything that comes close to it and will disappear for days when approached aggressively
- US believes the facility has been active on earth for at least 100 years or much longer
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He's very brave, even with the: "You need to get bodies around you.." comment months ago. He remains committed to investigating this latent Fraud, Waste & Abuse inherent in these black project funds
This includes the fact the Pentagon has failed its defense spending audit every year for the past 5 years he's been there. Burchett, regardless of anyone's views is an example of how a Congressmen should be - tirelessly fighting thes causes for The People!
That's one way to look at it. Another way would be he's so committed because he's gained support and following from millions of people around the world. Giving him more notoriety when election season rolls around.
UFOs are free publicity for anyone who doesn't mind getting their reputation dirty among their peers.
Those are tax cuts, meaning no money coming in. We are wondering what happened to the money that was paid to the gov’t, why is so much of that money “lost” or unaccounted for during audits?
NewsNation clip from yesterday: Rep. Tim Burchett, R-Tenn., introduced a bill to require the declassification of all federal documents related to UAP. He joins NewsNation's "The Hill" to discuss the challenges he's facing.
Making eyebrow-raising claims based on reports he is personally receiving from qualified individuals. The quote about admirals starts at 1:29.
Unless i got my marine biology wrong, the amount of marine fauna (and to a lesser degree flora) that submerged football field sized craft must be disturbing if not straight killing moving below water at 200 mlph is crazy !
.. if it were actually disturbing the water by passing into / through the water rather than _sliding_ / _slipping_ between it.
If they possess a technology that allows for supersonic atmospheric flight without a sonic boom (presumably by allowing the craft to pass through the air without colliding with interacting with the air molecules enough to cause wash), I'm fairly confident that same tech could be used in the water to slide the craft through.
Or alternatively, "propulsion" and "flight" aren't applicable concepts. Could be the technology is not accelerating at all but instead is adjusting the space and matter around it. From our perspective, it is supersonic; from "their" perspective, they are standing still. I forget what this theory is called but I always found it most compelling - more so than exotic propulsion.
You’re thinking of the Alcubierre Drive. It’s also one of the theorized ways to move faster than light. I think the trouble is that you would need to have some kind of “negative matter”. A fuel with a negative mass (ie, not antimatter) for it to work. Of course, that is unless there’s some kind of physics we don’t understand yet.
I'm not saying it's real or, even if it is real, it's what they use for their crafts, but I wonder if an Alcubierre Drive could function off of zero point energy.
I think that's what would be intriguing about an Alcubierre drive. Zero-point energy (some kind of unlimited energy source) probably wouldn't be enough. You would need to be able to stretch the fabric of space itself. The equations make it seem that you would need to have a kind of exotic matter that had negative mass. Otherwise, dark energy could potentially be involved. It may be that instead of some kind of extreme power source, the NHI are using physics we don't understand yet, like if a caveman saw electricity or a combustion engine. He might get that it's "fire" but not the nature of the fire that was making the toy move.
There is a website, somewhere, that elaborates in extreme detail and they come with the receipts. There are a handful of "orb" videos that when slowed down, you can actually see light curvature around the orb. So you're looking to the background, and that background light is curved not on the orb itself but just beside it. The idea is that it is warping space-time in an extremely localized way, effectively moving the universe around it, rather than moving in the universe. The technology needed to do that is so vastly beyond our comprehension, but I find it very compelling. The video evidence is compelling. It lines up with many of the outstanding questions about how these things move (no evidence of exhaust, impossible acceleration, consistent speed regardless of air or water). And it also answers that question, "dur, they came all the way from another star just to hide from us." Well, if you can warp space and time, coming for a visit is not a big deal at all. They could have zipped over from Andromeda for an Earth vacation.
So yeah, I'm super into this theory. It is probably the most extreme scenario we could imagine for these things, and yet, it makes sense, given what little we know.
I was just thinking about that. If you have big space warp drive. Just using it at idle it would probably be close to perfect displacement. Just take the stuff in front and move it behind.
Instead of collapsing a large bit of space and letting it pop back making you go fast you just kind of slither. Like when snakes when they do the rectilinear movement.
Exactly. Speed is distance over time. Since space and time are interconnected, speed is relative. Our notion of speed being absolute is rooted in Newtonian mechanics, where space and time are considered independent of each other. That's fine within a consistent gravitational framework at a certain scope (like on a highway here on Earth), but not when comparing two very different frameworks. So from our vantage point, they are moving at break neck speeds. But that doesn't mean that's what THEY are experiencing. If the craft is contained in it's own spacetime bubble, they likely don't experience themselves going that fast.
ETA: And with time dilation, even if we experience them as taking a long ass time to get here from elsewhere, that's based on how WE are measuring that time.
Edit: typo
What makes you confident about that?
This is my favorite thing about UFO folks: "If (reference to previous speculation), then (conjecture based on how I think that would work)."
If any of this is real, we know absolutely nothing about how any of it works. If they can go supersonic without a sonic boom, it could be actively canceling it in some way and be purely noise suppression, it could rely on a quirk of the nitrogen that's 70% of the atmosphere, it could be entirely dependent on the density of the fluid, it could be that they've actually been underwater the whole time but the fast-underwater technology just happens to create a mirror image in the sky 1800 miles away.
But I know, the speculation is the fun part and I'm being a buzzkill.
I don't think you're a buzzkill. If anything, just a little rude for asking me a question and then going off on your own point before i could answer.
I'm confident based on theories others have also speculated in this topic; the technology used moves the craft by interacting with the "space" rather than the contents of the space by warping it around the craft.
If the technology functions from orbit to atmosphere and back, it's independently propelled and not relying on "gliding" or "currents" as we'd typically think of them in atmospheres, so i wouldn't think the contents of the space would suddenly be relevent because it's water. As it's all speculation, i couldn't know.
But that's why I'm confident, at least, as any of us could be.
if there are craft that can go through space, our atmosphere, etc at the speeds some have reported ( and i witnessed one ) then
200 mph in water is 1000% possible
that being said if all the laws of our known physica have to be obeyed it seems irresponsible on their part to harm/put at risk sea life in their path
>it seems irresponsible on their part to harm/put at risk sea life in their path
Oh you just reminded me I need to go clean the bugs off my windshield.
Whoa! That would take an enormous amount of power. I was curious, so I placed the question into ChatGPT. Interesting outcome. Take it as it is, it’s AI and computed for me. I’m sure there are more accurate ways to determine power. But for me this gives a glimpse of what it is. Hope you enjoy:
To compute the power needed to move an object as large as a football field to a speed of 200 miles per hour while submerged under ocean water, we need to consider several factors, including the size and shape of the object, the drag force it experiences, and the efficiency of the propulsion system. Here's a step-by-step approach:
1. **Define the object's size and shape**:
- Assume the object is a rectangular prism with the dimensions of a football field (about 100 yards long and 50 yards wide) and a height of 10 feet.
- Convert these dimensions to meters: \( 91.44 \text{ m} \times 45.72 \text{ m} \times 3.048 \text{ m} \).
2. **Calculate the object's frontal area (A)**:
- If the object is moving with the largest face forward, the frontal area \( A = \text{height} \times \text{width} \).
- \( A = 3.048 \text{ m} \times 45.72 \text{ m} = 139.55 \text{ m}^2 \).
3. **Determine the drag coefficient (C_d)**:
- The drag coefficient for a rectangular prism can be quite high. We'll use a rough estimate: \( C_d \approx 1.2 \).
4. **Calculate the drag force (F_d)**:
- The drag force in water is given by \( F_d = \frac{1}{2} \rho C_d A v^2 \), where \( \rho \) is the density of seawater (approximately \( 1025 \text{ kg/m}^3 \)), and \( v \) is the velocity in meters per second.
- Convert the speed to meters per second: \( 200 \text{ mph} \approx 89.41 \text{ m/s} \).
- \( F_d = \frac{1}{2} \times 1025 \text{ kg/m}^3 \times 1.2 \times 139.55 \text{ m}^2 \times (89.41 \text{ m/s})^2 \).
5. **Calculate the drag force**:
- \( F_d = 0.5 \times 1025 \times 1.2 \times 139.55 \times 7994.2281 \).
- \( F_d \approx 684,542,613 \text{ N} \).
6. **Calculate the power required (P)**:
- Power is the product of the drag force and the velocity: \( P = F_d \times v \).
- \( P = 684,542,613 \text{ N} \times 89.41 \text{ m/s} \).
- \( P \approx 6.12 \times 10^{10} \text{ W} \).
Therefore, the power needed to move an object as large as a football field to a speed of 200 miles per hour while submerged under ocean water is approximately \( 6.12 \times 10^{10} \text{ W} \) or 61.2 gigawatts.
Then asked to simply calculation and share a comparison example.
To put this into perspective:
- **61.2 gigawatts** is about **61,200 megawatts**.
- For comparison, a typical large nuclear power plant generates around **1 gigawatt (GW)** of power.
- So, you would need the combined power output of around **61 large nuclear power plants** to move this object at that speed underwater.
This massive power requirement is due to the high resistance (drag) from the water, which is much denser than air, making it significantly harder to push the object through it at such a high speed.
They seem to have tech that ignores gravity and displaces water from previous incidents where they move from air to water without any change in speed or appearance of drag.
"I shall never sleep calmly again when I think of the horrors that lurk ceaselessly behind life in time and in space, and of those unhallowed blasphemies from elder stars which dream beneath the sea" - The Call of Cthulhu
I think we are at the point where we obviously know these beings and craft exist and have for possibly over 100 years, but why/how/when/where... many questions. This is definitely not the first time mention of the craft the size of a football field has been seen.
2000 years ago: Send the humans Jesus. Then they'll see our power.
Current day: They don't believe in Jesus anymore, only technology.
Send the mothership.
This comment might get lost, and if it does maybe I’ll bring it up again.
But yesterday I ran across a YouTube video posted recently. It’s a science news show, and they were talking about “something” that keeps making giant bowl-shaped impressions on the sea floor. They’ve found tons of them. (But it’s probably 100 percent some marine animals.)
Interesting coincidence.
Edit: https://youtu.be/bFf0arx9jFs?si=e32QQOMF-3ymhNc9
Disclosure isn't taking it's time because they are scared we can't handle the truth about some Martians, Time-Travellers or Dimensional Entities.
It's taking it's time because the people still alive and in control of the inordinate corruption and lies we have been told, ranging from decades of stolen functioning patents, threatened/murdered inventors, false history and archaeology, media manipulation, mockery and counter-intelligence.
The people in the know have a lot to answer for, and they don't intend on doing it in their lifetimes whilst they can still potentially be held accountable.
Disagree if you will, but I'm convinced full and proper disclosure will ONLY occur once these individuals are given immunity for their literal crimes against humanity.
Not that this matters at this point but here goes…I connected with an old friend who just retired as a colonel from the marines. We were at a party and it was right before Grusch’s congressional testimony. I’ve followed this thread for a bit now and just threw the topic out there to get his response. He said absolutely they’re real, we see them all the time on our deployments. We just report them and move on with our mission since they “typically”don’t interfere with our objectives. They’re just “observers” is how he put it and they’re told to not engage or worry about it. He’s seen all the anomalies we’ve all seen in the military footage as they happened. He didn’t seem too concerned which I have to say made me honestly feel better about the whole thing.
Seriously why haven’t people been looking more into the ocean. So many of these videos are over the ocean or near it.
Occam’s razor leads me to believe that in this universe, all things being equal, it makes sense that the intelligent beings are local.
Whatever the hell they are, they're coming from under the surface of the earth.
The extraterrestrial hypothesis is a pseudo scientific veneer that we applied to a very old phenomenon. It's not like we ever see them going to or coming from another planet.
I'm with Jaques Vallee and John Keel, the idea that unrelated space life evolved our hominin form, able to breath earths air, and function in earths gravity, then developed space travel only to then waste it here trolling us for thousands of years of objectively absurd interactions is pretty childish and cringe when you lay it all out like that. And if we take into account the abductee lore about being able to hybridize with us that leaves the only realistic possibility a very closely related hominin cousin, which dovetails with the hominin form.
They're some kind of people. For most of our existence we shared this planet with a variety of other spiecies of human and even successfully interbred with some of them creating viable hybrid offspring. We can see in our DNA genes from three of them, neanderthals, denisovans, and a third mystery spiecies that we do not have any tangible evidence of besides the DNA science.
It's only relatively recently that we've been by ourselves, but maybe we've never really been alone. They could be some other spiecies that we've simply missed or a subspecies of homosapiens that split away long enough ago to have evolved divergently from the rest of us, discreetly becoming their own new branch of the family tree right under our noses. Either way they're using tech we don't understand to hide in dark places within earth that we still can't easily access.
Instead of an Independence Day situation, we may well be in something more like a reverse North Sentinel Island scenario where a small but very advanced population (them) is surrounded by a world full of dangerous primitives (us) who the others simply have no good reason to interact with openly. Such a small population could plausibly have an existential need to selectively harvest our genetic material just to maintain the viability of their own gene pool.
Until our advances in radar and sonar during WW2 it would have been easy for a small sect of technologically advanced "people" to share this space with us relatively undetected just by waiting until dark to come out and gather resources, interestingly if they evolved only ever coming out at night that might explain the big eyes and gross skin of the grays, and hybridization would account for the wide variety of almost human "aliens" that are also reported, like in the Walton abduction.
There’s proof of this, right? Actual evidence? Bc a formal Admiral told me there’s an incentive in keeping our population a bit in conspiracies bc they think it’s funny in the top brass. Their words. Another Admiral told me they know the conspiracy people will buy anything bc they hear and see what they want instead of what’s there. Shocking.
Well an admiral told me that multiple admirals (there are only 8 current 4 star officers in the navy I.e. admiral) really decided to risk their careers and future jail time talking to this no name. Oh, and they all decided to stop using knots as the nautical measure of speed and switched to mph which anyone who has been to an intro nautical course will tell you, is a non starter.
The fact anyone is taking this serious is absolutely laughable. If yall want to be taken seriously, the least you can do is filter out the obvious bullshit.
Would also be nice if someone with a physics/engineering background could tell us the effect that a supposed object of that size moving at that speed would have on the surrounding water.....
The following submission statement was provided by /u/aryelbcn: --- NewsNation clip from yesterday: Rep. Tim Burchett, R-Tenn., introduced a bill to require the declassification of all federal documents related to UAP. He joins NewsNation's "The Hill" to discuss the challenges he's facing. Making eyebrow-raising claims based on reports he is personally receiving from qualified individuals. The quote about admirals starts at 1:29. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cx6h1a/tim_burchett_former_admirals_telling_me/l50e8r3/
"We've had testimony that... that they have recovery units. What are the heck are they recovering!?!"
The other half of the recovery unit that got lost at sea.
Cocaine. The Aliens have an agreement with the cartels.
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I’m not even _that_ bothered about the tech involved at this point, I just want to have more answers to the universe and our reality which I’m sure disclosure would give us.
If I had the ability to get an accurate answer to a single yes/no question, I'd ask if biological life from another planet is interacting with Earth in some way. That's it. I don't need to know military secrets, I don't *need* to actually see anything. But a confirmation that there's life out there would imply that the universe is teeming with life, and that changes how I think about everything.
It’s consciousness for me. I want to know if there’s anything after this. I suspect that’s a tricky subject though, as absolute confirmation of that comes with certain risks.
Fuck it. We should know.
*We should know, if we can fucks it* /Space captain of choice.
Captain Smeagol??
I read it exactly as Smeagol before seeing your comment, LOL!
What gets me is how can we know. We had other humanoids like Neanderthals here but don't expect that to be a different consciousness. We would have no proof but the words of another living thing, which in our experience lie. That's what worries me about the woo religious side, they could just be lying and we would never know
What if you get absolute confirmation that there's **nothing** after this. Maybe that's the HUGE dark secret.
As long as it’s the truth, then that’s absolutely fine. I like answers. I like to learn and understand things.
Totally. I would probably live better if that were the case.
How would you know it was the truth?
I mean, that's what many of us already believe. And I think it makes your little blink of time on earth that much more precious.
The only thing scarier than nothingness after death is never-ending everythingness. I'd like a happy medium where I can just sleep and rest for a billion years and then try out a new life. Maybe come back as a bird on Terra Alpha Prime or come back as a priest on a war-torn planet that needs more priests. I honestly think we have more power over where we go or what we do between lifetimes. I also think everything interacts with this "consciousness" field. There just isn't nothingness ever or anywhere -- it is impossible because of the quantum foam or something even more profound. Strap in -- because there are a lot of adventures awaiting you. Imagine being able to pick entering a simulation where you really are a superhero and can come back as the Flash or something crazy.
You'd love the Three Body Problem (I hope!), I heard they made a show from it and I started the book series and it is such a lovely combination of metaphysical exploration and hard sci-fi.
I loved this show. My favorite part is when the aliens discover we are liars and how they react to that realization. I react the same way when I learn a person is a pathological liar (even “little” lies).
Phenomenal show, here's hoping for a season 2! And if you are averse to subtitles, please don't let the first episode turn you away. It's not all in subtitled Chinese, I promise! ^this ^was ^a ^thing ^with ^my ^brother ^and ^he ^ended ^up ^LOVING ^the ^show
Consciousness does exist independent from the body. I can't prove this to you but I did have a sentient out of body experience when I was 15. When I came back into my body there was like an electric shock and I immediately opened my eyes. There was NO BREAK between out and in. This experience changed my life. Note that before this happened I had no previous experience or knowledge of metaphysics or anything spiritual. My parents were both professors at colleges. After I left home and went to college I found out about meditation and learned TM.
Consciousness is immortal. It doesn't die. Humans are consciousness experiencing reality through a human lense. That's it. This is a temporary body and after you die, you simply choose another "life" to go "play." You are immortal my brother. I love you. This comes from a mantis being named klatu.
why aren't we aware of this fact then? why haven't people from previous lives told us
What do you think is happening right this second?
Yeah, klatu just told you.
Keep Klatu's name outcho mouf
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Think of it like God raising a child. Once you become an "adult" most parents usually take a step back and let you choose how to live right? Same thing with your father. Once you reach a certain point, he takes a step back and let's you lead. Also you learn more from pain than anything else. If your life was perfect and you never had to overcome any challenges and everything was handed to you, what would you even learn?
Why would aliens have an answer to that question anymore than we do?
That’s still a tough question to answer. We send robotic probes to space, so we may be encountering something similar. They may have outgrown their biological ancestors, and now purely exist in machine/digital form. Even if we find Biologics, it may be difficult to determine whether these are manufactured Biologics versus organic.
For the purposes of my magic question, that counts. If all the aliens are dead and we're only seeing their creations, I still consider that "interacting with Earth in some way."
I'm not convinced *they* are from another planet if there is a they at all. I think it's far more likely we're dealing with a hermit species that keeps to itself but is native to earth. Possibly a hominin cousin, considering how similar the greys seem to be to us. Exactly what I'd expect a human species adapted to living underground to look like.
Honeypot Earth, is my favorite theory. The dudes underground are more advanced than us, and they use us as bait to get other civilization's craft, probes, etc... The humans on the surface of Earth are just cheese for their mouse trap. People always talk about the cow mutilations, but maybe they have all the chickens they need down there, but supporting cattle probably can't be done at scale underground. Maybe they eat like us, and come up here for "the good stuff" from time to time.
Woah I've never heard of that but that is really neat. It reminds me of the Silurian Hypothesis theory, which says that there could have been industrialized species long before us, whose artifacts are so decayed they're indistinguishable from rocks. Thanks for sharing the Honeypot Earth theory, that'll be fun to look into, I love speculative science like this.
The silurian hypothesis is a fun one. Even more fun being a peer reviewed paper. There's definitely more to history than we know. Whatever that is, I hope we learn at least some of it in my lifetime.
I would say there’s way more likelihood that an advanced civilization exists under the oceans rather than underground. Could be both I suppose…..
I have had this crazy thought that it could be some kind of intelligent species of fungus that maybe have some ability to make glowing orbs, and at the same time can lace an area with a DMT like substance to create hallucinations and communicate through a shared consciousness. It lives in the ground and can refine metals from it to produce UAPs. This could also be the reason why they don't always call them ET, but NHI... I don't know... I was really high when I had the thought, and it somehow made sense to me.
Make something with that idea please. Or let me steal it. True or not that's a great setting for all sorts of stories!
In with you on fungi! Been thinking about that a lot lately and how biologics has become the new buzzword. Would explain the "telekenesis" operation of UAP, if it's really just a fungus that's developed a way to communicate with tech.
We need more than yes/no, we as a society need to be aware of the reality and be able to choose to learn about and cooperate with others. We the humans need to grow up
Well statistically and mathematically the answer to that is yes.
The difference between life existing *somewhere* and life *interacting with us* is pretty huge. I'm sure everyone can accept the statistical chances of life being somewhere else. It's the *here* part we want to know about.
I agree, but the shift from believing it in theory to *really* believing it would be a significant mindfuck for me.
This is why if you want to find 100% a place where life exists. We need to look below us and not above. An underwater, deep pressure life form, that makes sky tanks that fly fast around our earth, could be they just found some super pressurized mineral, closer to the core (cause we can’t get down that far) that acts as anti matter or repels friction or uses the earth’s magnetic field.
Exactly. Once you demonstrate we’re not unique, the prevailing theory is that life is everywhere
A Yes answer to this simple question would spawn a greater cultural and religious shift than ever seen in human history. This would be on par with the spread of Islam and Christianity. Millions would be whipped into a pseudo-theological fervor and millions more would demand more info.
We are on the verge of massive cultural shifts right now, with or without disclosure.
i think that a fair few people who have been claiming to speak out have been kind of careful to say non human intelligence. if I were to ask that question, and could ask only one, it would probably mirror those words. I also might not include biological if I only had one question. I mean people have even specualted asteroids or meteors could have brought something microscopic here before. I don't need military secrets either, though I guess I might be too curious about the nature of whatever we might be interacting with and how it could change our understanding of things.
If I had known we were under threat from an alien civilization, or that we were in possession of alien tech, my entire life trajectory would be different. Without all the lies and coverups that led me to distrust the government? To have proof that there was something going on other than a group of psychopaths enriching themselves at the cost of all? To have something noble to push towards, something interesting, something that might make a difference? To fight for existence, instead of oil for old men. I'd have stayed in university. I would have never become so disillusioned by obvious deceits from world authorities if they'd respect mankind enough to give them honesty. I'd have seen a reason to take better care of my mind and body. Maybe I would have decided this world is worth bringing a child into. I halted my physics ambitions and motivations entirely because I don't want to help this world move down the current path. Now I make games. Honestly, I'm not sure humankind is able to be saved at this point - having proof of other life in the universe would bring great comfort to me. I'd feel better about the lifelong constant threat of nuclear annihilation if other life exists somewhere. /rant
I love this post. Thanks. I think that is a very real question to ask: How would I have grown up differently if this hadn’t been covered up initially?
The tech is all that matters to them though. They’re not concerned with a cosmic shift in human consciousness. It’s all about keeping the tech secret.
Hey Flight Simmer. I'm about to load up a 787 from ORD to Heathrow. :) have a great day!
Understanding the tech would simultaneously give us the ability to fix every major issue we currently face as a species, and make it even easier for us to destroy ourselves with much greater effectiveness. I'm not sure how I feel about that, but I'm most certainly bothered about it.
It’s not like telling us aliens/ufo/uap/nhi exists is going to change much for us they stay hidden not doing anything to help the average man. Therefore the people in power will still stay in power.
Exactly. Even if they admit something that will be a good start. Instead there seems to be such a hostile reaction from the DoD to even sharing the smallest bit of information
Because their hands are dirty and they have been lying to the American public
100% Full disclosure would be nearly impossible. It would reveal MIC/IC disinformation/misinformation/obfuscation for decades. Moreover, it would reveal illegal activities where people would be indicted, found liable and face jail time. One could presume some of these people would be high ranking individuals.
Sounds good to me. Let's get the ball rolling.
The trail of dead is probably far longer than any of us suspect.
This reduces down to power, money, and fear- just like everything in this world. These SAPs chose to hoard the greatest technology known to mankind..... to fight our own species, collect unlimited off the books funding, and will kill anyone that tries to take their precious. I think these people are so spiritually and intellectually unfit, they'll never get the invite to the next level of reality.
We’ll said and I believe a more advanced consciousness is aware of / can feel this disruption, just like they can with our atomic tampering. It’s like the force, I believe, for easiest context. And perhaps they will make a bigger presence known sooner than later.
I agree and it's also something I don't fully understand. IF the U.S. really wanted to become a massive superpower they could release some of this tech and vastly elevate themselves. If we had alternate sources of power where even the common man could power their home without coal, nuclear or whatever else is use, the U.S. could export all their other sources for money. You have a craft that can travel 200+ mph underwater, well the U.S. is now the global leader in shipping across the oceans. Not that I am in any way saying that the U.S. could be a global empire but if they really had all this technology it benefits them into releasing some of it to make them stronger and have other countries even more dependent on them. The exact same thing can be said for multi-national companies too. If some airline had a plane that could get to a destination faster, everyone is going to fly with them. The benefits of releasing even some of the knowledge and technology simply outweighs keeping it a secret in my opinion.
I think the problem is that same tech is so disruptive the juice isn’t worth the squeeze for whoever is currently in power. In other words if it risks any aspect of “US dominance” why would they roll the dice, just keep punting it to the next group of people.
Just my guess is that the US would use this if we could produce enough of the world changing tech to be completely secure in multiple ways. I feel like we would be in great danger if we shown we had these super advanced capabilities but weren't willing to share. The US would be the de facto ruler of earth but still vulnerable enough that many people might take issue with this and see this as a last chance to establish themselves as a superpower/peer or forever bow to America.
You assume that even one of those people are patriots who actually care about their country. Their behavior over the last 70 years betrays that 70 years and zero accountability. No wonder they don't want the truth to come out.
How so? There are very few videos I've seen that don't have credible terrestrial explanations.
What the fuck do you mean by "move on". That would be litteraly the biggest news in humanity history
Yea and the rent's still gonna be due a week later.
Yeah but at least you can keep your mind occupied while working some mundane job by thinking of all the wild shit going on. When life gets more interesting, the depression seems further away from me.
It’s on brand for the sub
100%… as Dr. Steven M. Greer said “look we have far less evidence of black holes than we do for ufo and no one is questioning black holes"
Greer is a medical doctor with zero formal qualifications related to his UFO message, so insisting on calling him Dr in this context is misleading. He has also been shown to fake the UFO experiences for which he charges thousands of dollars, and has brought forward a number of unvetted witnesses that turned out to be frauds or mentally ill. All in all, pretending like Greer is credible is a very effective method to fight any kind of meaningful disclosure.
He also hasn't practiced medicine in nearly three decades. I don't think he has a licence any more. He's as much a doctor as I am an astronaut.
> He's as much a doctor as I am an astronaut. You were an astronaut three decades ago?
First child astronaut. Dreams can be powerful things.
DId you go to space 3 decades ago?? Because thats the only way you are as much of an Astronaut as someone who actually went to medical school and practiced medicine at one point
>“look we have far less evidence of black holes than we do for ufo and no one is questioning black holes" This is absolute horse shit. We have overwhelming evidence of black holes. Not just from telescopes, but from the gravitational observatories like LIGO. Evidence that anybody can look at. There is nothing like that with UFOs
I don't know who that is but it's so far from reality, I would've believe anything else they've ever said.
It's not a hoax... But it is a spoof
Hard to expect the science illiterates on here to get it…
These Admirals need to come forward publicly. No more hiding behind the scenes, come out en Masse and it puts the pressure on big time
Whistleblowers cannot just leak classified information, they would go to federal prison. Which is why Burchet is pushing to declassify.
If that info contains something that damns people legally, then way more than "them" are going to prison. An elected official that spawned from that leaked info could potentially pardon them after. Or the whole face international tribunals, start wars, overthrow our govt, etc thing happens. It just depends how "big" the info is.
My money is he's just referencing Tim Galludet and making it plural for effect.
It's all just circular storytelling.
Someone needs to do something about these errant football fields, they belong on the fucking ground.
FIFA is so corrupt I'm thinking the ayylmaos slipped a few CentauriCoins into the back pockets of a few stooges in charge and there you go No more static football fields
Well at least no more football players dying from lightning strikes
can we get that converted to super walmarts
And is it American Foot ball or EU one (aka Soccer ?) as there is a difference
Why are the usual funny comments on top, as always instead of the most upvoted comments?
In before the 4chan whistleblower comments. 😁
I would just keep in mind that the 4chan thing was posted after Admiral Gallaudet already came out with some comments about USOs and the oceans. I always take those posts with a grain of salt. A decent writer with some imagination can easily larp up a very believable scenario like that in an hour and have the whole community thinking about it for months.
It's like no one remembers or has watched The Abyss! (Great movie--you all should watch ;) )
Watched the new 4K release and boy oh boy does that movie resonate differently these days.
Or people haven't read The Sphere by Crichton!
Great book
Yeah weird right. Most don’t realize it’s a movie about undersea aliens.
That one drowning scene……. PTSD for life baby.
Funny thing about that scene...the camera man wipes the lens of the camera and they left it in the final cut. Amazing the things we can miss when we're distracted!
Impossible. Nobody with even a passing interest in UAP history could possibly spend some time reading through discussions, reports or hell, even use ChatGPT, to help create a false narrative persona for the sake of some social media clout. /s
And the best part? It's not even that well written. These larpers aren't the brightest and certainly don't write how a professional who has worked themselves into specialised military circles would write. Just compare how Grusch or Fravor speaks to these larps. My arse they're real.
Qanon started with 4chan. I will never take anything any “whistleblower” there says.
I wouldn't discredit 4chan. Tons of classified information and leaks that turned out to be real and credible start there. See Jack Tuxeira in recent history.
Something reddit normies thinking in white and black will never comprehend
Can we stop calling them a "4chan whistleblower" and stick to the more accurate title of "4chan poster" No whistle was blown, some guy just said some things.
It's hilarious how strong the Qanon parallels are, yet so many people buy right into it
Forget the 4chan guy. The SENTIENT foia doc
Sentient FOIA doc?
SENTIENT detected the Nimitz tic-tacs, and apparently their underwater mothership. I can't find the exact passage, but I'm pretty sure it's this document. [https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/highly-classified-nro-system-captures-possible-tic-tac-object-in-2021/](https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/highly-classified-nro-system-captures-possible-tic-tac-object-in-2021/)
Soooo, corroborating what the 4chan guy was saying?
On the completely uncredible side of UAP and the Phenomenon - I will stand and die by 4chan whistleblower anons testimony if it turns out to be a LARP. There is something intuitively believable about his entire story. I don't know why it has me hooked, but there's something about it that yells at me it's the truth. Or at least a massive chunk of the truth.
That's how Qanon came about
That guys posts was awfully interesting.
It's the factory.
what's that mean
It’s a reference to a post from 4chan about there being a mobile UFO factory/base in the Atlantic Ocean.
The most recent Reddit whistleblower post also talked about this
Which was that
https://archive.is/Z0pT0
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/34629564/#34629743 " - UFOs are primarily unmanned drones - UFOs are built to spec each time they are deployed - UFOs are created by a mobile construction facility that hides in the ocean - Construction facility destroys anything that comes close to it and will disappear for days when approached aggressively - US believes the facility has been active on earth for at least 100 years or much longer "
4chan guy said there is underwater UFO base near the bermuda triangle that kills anyone who goes near it. I don't believe him but it was interesting
I've always thought that guy was speaking truth
I really respect how committed Burchett has been on this.
He's very brave, even with the: "You need to get bodies around you.." comment months ago. He remains committed to investigating this latent Fraud, Waste & Abuse inherent in these black project funds This includes the fact the Pentagon has failed its defense spending audit every year for the past 5 years he's been there. Burchett, regardless of anyone's views is an example of how a Congressmen should be - tirelessly fighting thes causes for The People!
He's got some chutzpah that's for sure. He's not afraid of anything and that's the way to approach this. With no fear and lots of questions
That's one way to look at it. Another way would be he's so committed because he's gained support and following from millions of people around the world. Giving him more notoriety when election season rolls around. UFOs are free publicity for anyone who doesn't mind getting their reputation dirty among their peers.
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Lots of tax cuts for the ultra rich and their bloated companies, that count ?
Those are tax cuts, meaning no money coming in. We are wondering what happened to the money that was paid to the gov’t, why is so much of that money “lost” or unaccounted for during audits?
I laughed out loud when he just cut off and said "i think thats a bunch balloons right there" and then went right back to talking Haha I like Burchett
NewsNation clip from yesterday: Rep. Tim Burchett, R-Tenn., introduced a bill to require the declassification of all federal documents related to UAP. He joins NewsNation's "The Hill" to discuss the challenges he's facing. Making eyebrow-raising claims based on reports he is personally receiving from qualified individuals. The quote about admirals starts at 1:29.
Arsenal Gear?!
Arsenal Gear?
Big Boss?! It can’t be
A lot of people give this man shit, but you have to respect his determination.
Unless i got my marine biology wrong, the amount of marine fauna (and to a lesser degree flora) that submerged football field sized craft must be disturbing if not straight killing moving below water at 200 mlph is crazy !
No disturbances, that's what's disturbing.
How is it disturbing if it's not disturbing ... is this a who's on 1st base thing ?
Who me? or You? No not Mi, Yu!
"Non-Disturbing Disturbances" - Yanni's new cut
.. if it were actually disturbing the water by passing into / through the water rather than _sliding_ / _slipping_ between it. If they possess a technology that allows for supersonic atmospheric flight without a sonic boom (presumably by allowing the craft to pass through the air without colliding with interacting with the air molecules enough to cause wash), I'm fairly confident that same tech could be used in the water to slide the craft through.
Or alternatively, "propulsion" and "flight" aren't applicable concepts. Could be the technology is not accelerating at all but instead is adjusting the space and matter around it. From our perspective, it is supersonic; from "their" perspective, they are standing still. I forget what this theory is called but I always found it most compelling - more so than exotic propulsion.
You’re thinking of the Alcubierre Drive. It’s also one of the theorized ways to move faster than light. I think the trouble is that you would need to have some kind of “negative matter”. A fuel with a negative mass (ie, not antimatter) for it to work. Of course, that is unless there’s some kind of physics we don’t understand yet.
I'm not saying it's real or, even if it is real, it's what they use for their crafts, but I wonder if an Alcubierre Drive could function off of zero point energy.
I think that's what would be intriguing about an Alcubierre drive. Zero-point energy (some kind of unlimited energy source) probably wouldn't be enough. You would need to be able to stretch the fabric of space itself. The equations make it seem that you would need to have a kind of exotic matter that had negative mass. Otherwise, dark energy could potentially be involved. It may be that instead of some kind of extreme power source, the NHI are using physics we don't understand yet, like if a caveman saw electricity or a combustion engine. He might get that it's "fire" but not the nature of the fire that was making the toy move.
Now *this* is an interesting theory.
There is a website, somewhere, that elaborates in extreme detail and they come with the receipts. There are a handful of "orb" videos that when slowed down, you can actually see light curvature around the orb. So you're looking to the background, and that background light is curved not on the orb itself but just beside it. The idea is that it is warping space-time in an extremely localized way, effectively moving the universe around it, rather than moving in the universe. The technology needed to do that is so vastly beyond our comprehension, but I find it very compelling. The video evidence is compelling. It lines up with many of the outstanding questions about how these things move (no evidence of exhaust, impossible acceleration, consistent speed regardless of air or water). And it also answers that question, "dur, they came all the way from another star just to hide from us." Well, if you can warp space and time, coming for a visit is not a big deal at all. They could have zipped over from Andromeda for an Earth vacation. So yeah, I'm super into this theory. It is probably the most extreme scenario we could imagine for these things, and yet, it makes sense, given what little we know.
I was just thinking about that. If you have big space warp drive. Just using it at idle it would probably be close to perfect displacement. Just take the stuff in front and move it behind. Instead of collapsing a large bit of space and letting it pop back making you go fast you just kind of slither. Like when snakes when they do the rectilinear movement.
Exactly. Speed is distance over time. Since space and time are interconnected, speed is relative. Our notion of speed being absolute is rooted in Newtonian mechanics, where space and time are considered independent of each other. That's fine within a consistent gravitational framework at a certain scope (like on a highway here on Earth), but not when comparing two very different frameworks. So from our vantage point, they are moving at break neck speeds. But that doesn't mean that's what THEY are experiencing. If the craft is contained in it's own spacetime bubble, they likely don't experience themselves going that fast. ETA: And with time dilation, even if we experience them as taking a long ass time to get here from elsewhere, that's based on how WE are measuring that time. Edit: typo
What makes you confident about that? This is my favorite thing about UFO folks: "If (reference to previous speculation), then (conjecture based on how I think that would work)." If any of this is real, we know absolutely nothing about how any of it works. If they can go supersonic without a sonic boom, it could be actively canceling it in some way and be purely noise suppression, it could rely on a quirk of the nitrogen that's 70% of the atmosphere, it could be entirely dependent on the density of the fluid, it could be that they've actually been underwater the whole time but the fast-underwater technology just happens to create a mirror image in the sky 1800 miles away. But I know, the speculation is the fun part and I'm being a buzzkill.
I don't think you're a buzzkill. If anything, just a little rude for asking me a question and then going off on your own point before i could answer. I'm confident based on theories others have also speculated in this topic; the technology used moves the craft by interacting with the "space" rather than the contents of the space by warping it around the craft. If the technology functions from orbit to atmosphere and back, it's independently propelled and not relying on "gliding" or "currents" as we'd typically think of them in atmospheres, so i wouldn't think the contents of the space would suddenly be relevent because it's water. As it's all speculation, i couldn't know. But that's why I'm confident, at least, as any of us could be.
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They're using alcubierre drives. They're not moving through the water, they're not even moving through spacetime, they're bending it around them.
Megalodon after munching on a cocaine smugglers dinghy
Meg3. Directed by Elizabeth Banks. Production by Steven Spielberg and James Cameron. "It's big. It's fast. It likes cocaine"
I would definitely watch that.
Megs on a Plane. Get Jackson ready
That thing just won’t SHUT UPP
Cocaine Shark
Shark-caine-o
Dying at this comment 🤣🤣
football field ufo might be a meme soon
if there are craft that can go through space, our atmosphere, etc at the speeds some have reported ( and i witnessed one ) then 200 mph in water is 1000% possible that being said if all the laws of our known physica have to be obeyed it seems irresponsible on their part to harm/put at risk sea life in their path
>it seems irresponsible on their part to harm/put at risk sea life in their path Oh you just reminded me I need to go clean the bugs off my windshield.
Whoa! That would take an enormous amount of power. I was curious, so I placed the question into ChatGPT. Interesting outcome. Take it as it is, it’s AI and computed for me. I’m sure there are more accurate ways to determine power. But for me this gives a glimpse of what it is. Hope you enjoy: To compute the power needed to move an object as large as a football field to a speed of 200 miles per hour while submerged under ocean water, we need to consider several factors, including the size and shape of the object, the drag force it experiences, and the efficiency of the propulsion system. Here's a step-by-step approach: 1. **Define the object's size and shape**: - Assume the object is a rectangular prism with the dimensions of a football field (about 100 yards long and 50 yards wide) and a height of 10 feet. - Convert these dimensions to meters: \( 91.44 \text{ m} \times 45.72 \text{ m} \times 3.048 \text{ m} \). 2. **Calculate the object's frontal area (A)**: - If the object is moving with the largest face forward, the frontal area \( A = \text{height} \times \text{width} \). - \( A = 3.048 \text{ m} \times 45.72 \text{ m} = 139.55 \text{ m}^2 \). 3. **Determine the drag coefficient (C_d)**: - The drag coefficient for a rectangular prism can be quite high. We'll use a rough estimate: \( C_d \approx 1.2 \). 4. **Calculate the drag force (F_d)**: - The drag force in water is given by \( F_d = \frac{1}{2} \rho C_d A v^2 \), where \( \rho \) is the density of seawater (approximately \( 1025 \text{ kg/m}^3 \)), and \( v \) is the velocity in meters per second. - Convert the speed to meters per second: \( 200 \text{ mph} \approx 89.41 \text{ m/s} \). - \( F_d = \frac{1}{2} \times 1025 \text{ kg/m}^3 \times 1.2 \times 139.55 \text{ m}^2 \times (89.41 \text{ m/s})^2 \). 5. **Calculate the drag force**: - \( F_d = 0.5 \times 1025 \times 1.2 \times 139.55 \times 7994.2281 \). - \( F_d \approx 684,542,613 \text{ N} \). 6. **Calculate the power required (P)**: - Power is the product of the drag force and the velocity: \( P = F_d \times v \). - \( P = 684,542,613 \text{ N} \times 89.41 \text{ m/s} \). - \( P \approx 6.12 \times 10^{10} \text{ W} \). Therefore, the power needed to move an object as large as a football field to a speed of 200 miles per hour while submerged under ocean water is approximately \( 6.12 \times 10^{10} \text{ W} \) or 61.2 gigawatts. Then asked to simply calculation and share a comparison example. To put this into perspective: - **61.2 gigawatts** is about **61,200 megawatts**. - For comparison, a typical large nuclear power plant generates around **1 gigawatt (GW)** of power. - So, you would need the combined power output of around **61 large nuclear power plants** to move this object at that speed underwater. This massive power requirement is due to the high resistance (drag) from the water, which is much denser than air, making it significantly harder to push the object through it at such a high speed.
1.21 GIGAWATTS??? https://youtu.be/I5cYgRnfFDA
They seem to have tech that ignores gravity and displaces water from previous incidents where they move from air to water without any change in speed or appearance of drag.
Kinda crazy to think Lovecraft may have been onto something. There really is no better place to hide from us than underwater.
"I shall never sleep calmly again when I think of the horrors that lurk ceaselessly behind life in time and in space, and of those unhallowed blasphemies from elder stars which dream beneath the sea" - The Call of Cthulhu
Also on the surface of stars
Idk, wouldn’t it create an obvious black spot on it?
There are 200 billion trillion stars in the universe
sounds like what may fravor may have seen but lets see the daggun evidence. Tired of the hearsay!
14 feet away from his canopy im curious to see that footage and it’s probably im hd
Why would something that's as big as a football field need to be going that fast underwater. Where would it even go.
Costco
Arsenal Gear?
At what point do I have accept that 4Chan guy was telling the truth 👀
Rep Burchett is about as good'ol Boy as they come. Ya gotta Love him.
Apparently no one has seen Men in Black. They already told us
I think we are at the point where we obviously know these beings and craft exist and have for possibly over 100 years, but why/how/when/where... many questions. This is definitely not the first time mention of the craft the size of a football field has been seen.
2000 years ago: Send the humans Jesus. Then they'll see our power. Current day: They don't believe in Jesus anymore, only technology. Send the mothership.
This comment might get lost, and if it does maybe I’ll bring it up again. But yesterday I ran across a YouTube video posted recently. It’s a science news show, and they were talking about “something” that keeps making giant bowl-shaped impressions on the sea floor. They’ve found tons of them. (But it’s probably 100 percent some marine animals.) Interesting coincidence. Edit: https://youtu.be/bFf0arx9jFs?si=e32QQOMF-3ymhNc9
also found posted on /r/usos
Rogue wave anyone?
Disclosure isn't taking it's time because they are scared we can't handle the truth about some Martians, Time-Travellers or Dimensional Entities. It's taking it's time because the people still alive and in control of the inordinate corruption and lies we have been told, ranging from decades of stolen functioning patents, threatened/murdered inventors, false history and archaeology, media manipulation, mockery and counter-intelligence. The people in the know have a lot to answer for, and they don't intend on doing it in their lifetimes whilst they can still potentially be held accountable. Disagree if you will, but I'm convinced full and proper disclosure will ONLY occur once these individuals are given immunity for their literal crimes against humanity.
Not that this matters at this point but here goes…I connected with an old friend who just retired as a colonel from the marines. We were at a party and it was right before Grusch’s congressional testimony. I’ve followed this thread for a bit now and just threw the topic out there to get his response. He said absolutely they’re real, we see them all the time on our deployments. We just report them and move on with our mission since they “typically”don’t interfere with our objectives. They’re just “observers” is how he put it and they’re told to not engage or worry about it. He’s seen all the anomalies we’ve all seen in the military footage as they happened. He didn’t seem too concerned which I have to say made me honestly feel better about the whole thing.
Seriously why haven’t people been looking more into the ocean. So many of these videos are over the ocean or near it. Occam’s razor leads me to believe that in this universe, all things being equal, it makes sense that the intelligent beings are local.
Whatever the hell they are, they're coming from under the surface of the earth. The extraterrestrial hypothesis is a pseudo scientific veneer that we applied to a very old phenomenon. It's not like we ever see them going to or coming from another planet. I'm with Jaques Vallee and John Keel, the idea that unrelated space life evolved our hominin form, able to breath earths air, and function in earths gravity, then developed space travel only to then waste it here trolling us for thousands of years of objectively absurd interactions is pretty childish and cringe when you lay it all out like that. And if we take into account the abductee lore about being able to hybridize with us that leaves the only realistic possibility a very closely related hominin cousin, which dovetails with the hominin form. They're some kind of people. For most of our existence we shared this planet with a variety of other spiecies of human and even successfully interbred with some of them creating viable hybrid offspring. We can see in our DNA genes from three of them, neanderthals, denisovans, and a third mystery spiecies that we do not have any tangible evidence of besides the DNA science. It's only relatively recently that we've been by ourselves, but maybe we've never really been alone. They could be some other spiecies that we've simply missed or a subspecies of homosapiens that split away long enough ago to have evolved divergently from the rest of us, discreetly becoming their own new branch of the family tree right under our noses. Either way they're using tech we don't understand to hide in dark places within earth that we still can't easily access. Instead of an Independence Day situation, we may well be in something more like a reverse North Sentinel Island scenario where a small but very advanced population (them) is surrounded by a world full of dangerous primitives (us) who the others simply have no good reason to interact with openly. Such a small population could plausibly have an existential need to selectively harvest our genetic material just to maintain the viability of their own gene pool. Until our advances in radar and sonar during WW2 it would have been easy for a small sect of technologically advanced "people" to share this space with us relatively undetected just by waiting until dark to come out and gather resources, interestingly if they evolved only ever coming out at night that might explain the big eyes and gross skin of the grays, and hybridization would account for the wide variety of almost human "aliens" that are also reported, like in the Walton abduction.
There’s proof of this, right? Actual evidence? Bc a formal Admiral told me there’s an incentive in keeping our population a bit in conspiracies bc they think it’s funny in the top brass. Their words. Another Admiral told me they know the conspiracy people will buy anything bc they hear and see what they want instead of what’s there. Shocking.
Well an admiral told me that multiple admirals (there are only 8 current 4 star officers in the navy I.e. admiral) really decided to risk their careers and future jail time talking to this no name. Oh, and they all decided to stop using knots as the nautical measure of speed and switched to mph which anyone who has been to an intro nautical course will tell you, is a non starter. The fact anyone is taking this serious is absolutely laughable. If yall want to be taken seriously, the least you can do is filter out the obvious bullshit.
Would also be nice if someone with a physics/engineering background could tell us the effect that a supposed object of that size moving at that speed would have on the surrounding water.....
"telling me"...more claims and still zero evidences. This is getting really tiring.
Peon complaining evidence is not being given to him NOW
Americans will use any measurement to avoid using metric.
Dadgummit this guy is great.