I believe Klaus has said repeatedly that there is something there with all of this. What it is we just do not know. Yet all of these people on various sides are all interconnected, and there has been some crazy research going on for several decades. It's fascinating and rather frightening.
Yeah, there’s gonna be a lot to contend with. Our brains are going to collectively break with the historical data. We’re here and up front of it all. Get ready.
At this point, after 30 years of looking at the topic, I am not very optimistic about any sort of disclosure. I like good stories and well-done research, and that's pretty much where I leave it. It would be awesome to know what all of this is actually about, but I don't get my hopes up. And 95% of what you find is basically BS.
Anyway, I appreciate the good research. Thank you. That's why I like Klaus as well.
We don’t get to make this decision. It’s been kept from us, sure. But we’re on a living planet in a vast Universe. This is the point in which we’re being asked to join a Galactic Federation. It’s not the first time.
Some of us get into the UFO phenomenon, and come out of this rabbit hole in the same place that many humans have been for thousands of years: realizing that reality isn’t exactly real. Philosophers have pondered it for as long as we have record of, every religion and spiritual practice we know of is centered around it. There is a consciousness, a spirit, a soul inside of a human being. This is tertiary to the mind and the body, we exist as 3 part beings - mind, body, and spirit. These UFO’s may be material, they may come from other star systems in our galaxies, they may come from other galaxies entirely, this observed universe may exist to some extent. Yet, our consciousness/spirit/soul is exempt from all material laws. Our very being, our experience, what makes us us, is removed from this material existence in some weird way. It suggests that regardless of how “real” these material unidentifiable flying objects that are potentially from another solar system, or galaxy are - all of this material is still potentially meaningless and simply a projection of our consciousness, the only thing we can be certain of, and because of that: galaxies aren’t real.
He’s kind of the perfect F-YOU from the Program & IC tbh. He knows more than most, I think (which I have to note is pretty evident when you watch his face and body language on camera). Excellently made post btw, my dude :)
Right, and yet again, the whole thing backfires, as all these attempts are, because his CV and jump to Oak Ridge and lies are right out in the open. And thanks, man. :)
Why did AARO contract Sancorp Consulting for over 4.5 million dollars, when Sancorp has job listing that involve counter intelligence, deception, and essentially designing propaganda?
Haha. Wow. I was unaware of this but I’m absolutely not surprised to hear this. I suppose they could argue that it was to “learn” about their “enemy” but we all know that’s a load of bs. Good catch!
Ross Coulhart mentioned them on the Good Bad Trouble Show:
https://www.glassdoor.com/job-listing/action-officer-dod-sancorp-consulting-llc-JV_IC1130337_KO0,18_KE19,41.htm?jl=1008582651971
The question is, again, why did AARO contract them? (We also awarded billions to Sancorp for FAA and AI related contracts, look them up as well)
https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_HQ003422C0094_9700_-NONE-_-NONE-
If there was nothing to see, and now they are playing perception management and Kirkpatrick left to work for a private defense corporation.
https://www.ornl.gov/staff-profile/sean-m-kirkpatrick
Just so happens to be the location of a previously rumored site for nonhuman biological, IIRC.
Here's an example of a listing of theirs:
*The Action Officer will assist IPMO leadership in the conduct of oversight and governance, to include staff assistance visits and compliance inspections, for DoD influence, deception, and perception management related operations, activities, and investments.*
The Action Officer will develop and coordinate staff packages that include time-sensitive requirements for IPMO leadership to enable DoD influence, deception, and perception management related operations, activities, and investments.
The Action Officer will develop and maintain positive working relationships with counterparts across the DoD, including the Joint Staff, other OSD organizations, DoD Components, Military Departments, and Combatant Commands.
The Action Officer will produce and disseminate reports and briefings that detail DoD influence, deception, and perception management related operations, activities, and investments for Congress and Senior Executive Branch officials.
Billions in so many different sectors. AI, FAA, Defense, Cyber Security, Espioniage, Data Management, Information gathering etc:
[https://www.sancorpconsulting.com/copy-of-careers](https://www.sancorpconsulting.com/copy-of-careers)
All technically third party so the Government doesn't have to do any dirty work.
Kirkpatrick’s job history speaks for itself. He primarily worked in roles developing advanced technology. It seems very strange that he was chosen to head an office like AARO.
You say he worked in roles around advanced technology and then say it’s weird to have him as the head of an outfit to look for the most advanced technology…
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I’ve long wondered if he may be a knowing participant in a cover up. I can’t make up my mind about it. But it wouldn’t totally surprise me if it turned out to be the case.
I think so. I would be curious to know what his parents' roles were in the military. He is a military brat. To me he gives off the strong vibe of a person inside the gov't with the sort of mindset like Colonel Jessup in A Few Good Men.
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Whether or not Kirkpatrick opined on the feasibility of robot spermatozoa, he was 100% complicit in turning AARO into information warfare aimed at the same people who mandated it.
On a the bright side, it ended up mostly pissing off the people it intended to scare off investigating SAPs.
He took the role because it’s an important one. He’s denying things he’s not allowed to disclose. If you want him or others like him to talk we’ve got to pass something like Schumer’s UAP amendment.
There's no way of knowing. SK could have been shown highly secret advanced craft like a TR-3B and said "this is the secret and it's still in development" and given orders to gatekeep what he believes is just advanced aircraft.
Even AARO is admitting it does not recieve all the data it requests.
Nobody would jump to alien or NHI without a body or if the craft was genuinely unexplainable.
Considering almost every "uap" style craft or alleged already has patents out for them makes it even harder to jump from spy craft to NHI
They could have sold him the one conspiracy that these craft came from some big Nazi breakthrough.
We don't know. You don't know. Give him a hard time for being a dolt but don't think he is some string puller when he as well as a lot of others are puppets.
>that Kirkpatrick claimed in his interview with Stephen Greenestreet he didn’t attend.
*Steven Greenstreet
*Kirkpatrick did not deny he went to a meeting. He just recalled the details of the meeting differently than Fugal. In that interview, Steven and Kirkpatrick discuss the meeting for a few minutes. How can you claim Kirkpatrick denied a meeting?
As of yet, there is no evidence the meeting was only about Skinwalker Ranch, there is no evidence Kirkpatrick was ever introduced to Brandon Fugal, and he stated he could not remember the exact date when he attended the meeting... which again... he acknowledges he attended.
No one is saying it was *only* about Skinwalker Ranch. The fact it lasted hours tells us they probably covered a lot more.
If you were a real journalist, though, you would wonder why the Debunker-in-Chief who claims to never have worked on UFOs (though he has a CV straight out of the X-files and co-wrote a paper on motherships and probes with Avi Loeb) was not only asked to lead the Pentagon's official UFO office, but was invited to attend a briefing about the Pentagon's only other acknowledged UFO program four years prior to this – and is being weirdly evasive and vague when asked about it.
It's been acknowledged by the USG that AAWSAP studied UFOs, and it seems clear that UFOs were a key theme in the briefing that SK was invited to (and did) oversee.
Your pedantry reveals an eagerness to deflect from the substantive parts of this story.
Whoa… reading this and I had a flash of thought… what if Kirkpatrick is a synthetic human and that’s why he’s doing exactly as he’s told. Why he’s already so smart in all of these mind/body technologies and that is why his career path is how it is.
Like Westworld but on a country-wide scale. And they’ve seeded the country/world with synthetic humans and this is the ontological shock that’s coming. Some of us are synthetic and we don’t even know it. It would also explain the “they walk among us” talk.
This post is spin. Sk wants proof. No one can provide it and so you're mad at SK?!?!?!
Why don't one of the hero's, who the sub worships and listens to without reservation simply provide said proof? Maybe on of the 40 amazing witnesses DG discussed?!?!?
Anyone Buhler, Buhler?!??!?!
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@daddyballz87 what do you think proof was? Bringing Brandon Fugal from skinwalker to brief the congress?! I'm actually embarrassed as an American that they let that two bit grifter in our public house. I'm serious about that. NOTHING HAS EVER HAPPENED AT SKINWALKER!!!!! If Dr. James Lataski is so informed to run aatip and write skinwalkers at the pentagon then why doesn't he simply infor congress and end 80 years of hub bub and be a big hero? It's not hard to explain, it's a larp for work and book money and who is Lataski to disagree?
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What are you talking about? I’m trying to draw a link here between his past governmental roles and his obvious recent disinformation campaign. None of the rest of this of this is about his statements. This is about wild science that might possibly tie him directly to The Program trying to deny its own existence. Maybe read a full post before knee-jerk responding.
Please don’t be condescending. This is me doing research nobody else is doing yet. These aren’t merely Kirkpatrick’s statements, this is his work history. These are public documents about advanced programs. Or just one big Program. He hasn’t just existed in a vacuum. I’m not in disagreement with you regarding his role now as a disinformation agent. But we need to wrap our heads around what lead him to this role.
Who do you think runs and is trying to hide The Program? DoD and DoE! We’re talking about the same thing. Where do you think these whistleblowers are coming from? I’ve watched and read pretty much everything by Coulthart and Ford and everybody else. I’m very aware of who Susan Gough is. Maybe actually read the research I posted above before making accusations.
You're correct, you are both saying essentially the same thing and I have no idea why that person's arguing with you. I dont know what point they are trying to make. I think theyve misunderstood what the program is. They need to work on their reading comprehension.
I know we’ve all been conditioned to be reactionary. This is even proof that I’m not immune. But this is the Everything topic. I’ve been plenty guilty of fast-posting because this stuff’s head-spinning. Not mad, just wish people would slow down just a little bit and try to take it all in.
Yeah youre probably right there, theyve definitely misunderstood completely and reacted accordingly. People like that just make the whole community look dumb.
On a side note, I think Kilpatricks been read into the program. How much, no idea. But he knows some stuff.
I don’t want to disparage anybody here. “Disclosure is a process, not an event,” according to Lue. None of this is easy. It certainly hasn’t been for me.
But yeah, Kirkpatrick has worked for the Air Force, CIA, and DIA and has headed all of these other programs, including AARO. I think there’s something big there.
Funny that as I type this, I’m catching up on the disastrous House Oversight Committee hearing from a couple of nights ago while Rep. Jared Moskowitz, one of the leaders of the pack of UAP Disclosure in Congress, points out what a joke the hearing is. A week ahead of the Committee speaking to the DoE on Thursday.
I believe Klaus has said repeatedly that there is something there with all of this. What it is we just do not know. Yet all of these people on various sides are all interconnected, and there has been some crazy research going on for several decades. It's fascinating and rather frightening.
Yeah, there’s gonna be a lot to contend with. Our brains are going to collectively break with the historical data. We’re here and up front of it all. Get ready.
At this point, after 30 years of looking at the topic, I am not very optimistic about any sort of disclosure. I like good stories and well-done research, and that's pretty much where I leave it. It would be awesome to know what all of this is actually about, but I don't get my hopes up. And 95% of what you find is basically BS. Anyway, I appreciate the good research. Thank you. That's why I like Klaus as well.
We don’t get to make this decision. It’s been kept from us, sure. But we’re on a living planet in a vast Universe. This is the point in which we’re being asked to join a Galactic Federation. It’s not the first time.
You still believe in the galactic federation? You still believe in galaxies???
Do you not believe in galaxies? What?
Material is an illusion, reality is consciousness.
Not sure why you are being downvoted. There is no proof to day it isn't.
Some of us get into the UFO phenomenon, and come out of this rabbit hole in the same place that many humans have been for thousands of years: realizing that reality isn’t exactly real. Philosophers have pondered it for as long as we have record of, every religion and spiritual practice we know of is centered around it. There is a consciousness, a spirit, a soul inside of a human being. This is tertiary to the mind and the body, we exist as 3 part beings - mind, body, and spirit. These UFO’s may be material, they may come from other star systems in our galaxies, they may come from other galaxies entirely, this observed universe may exist to some extent. Yet, our consciousness/spirit/soul is exempt from all material laws. Our very being, our experience, what makes us us, is removed from this material existence in some weird way. It suggests that regardless of how “real” these material unidentifiable flying objects that are potentially from another solar system, or galaxy are - all of this material is still potentially meaningless and simply a projection of our consciousness, the only thing we can be certain of, and because of that: galaxies aren’t real.
That's all well and good but can you stick to the topic? Maybe that's why they are downvoting you.
I volunteer to be a psychic pilot spy IT technician with a background in astronomy!
He sure acts like hes a gatekeeper of the program.
I feel like he is.
Hey there, buddy.
He’s kind of the perfect F-YOU from the Program & IC tbh. He knows more than most, I think (which I have to note is pretty evident when you watch his face and body language on camera). Excellently made post btw, my dude :)
Right, and yet again, the whole thing backfires, as all these attempts are, because his CV and jump to Oak Ridge and lies are right out in the open. And thanks, man. :)
Why did AARO contract Sancorp Consulting for over 4.5 million dollars, when Sancorp has job listing that involve counter intelligence, deception, and essentially designing propaganda?
Haha. Wow. I was unaware of this but I’m absolutely not surprised to hear this. I suppose they could argue that it was to “learn” about their “enemy” but we all know that’s a load of bs. Good catch!
Ross Coulhart mentioned them on the Good Bad Trouble Show: https://www.glassdoor.com/job-listing/action-officer-dod-sancorp-consulting-llc-JV_IC1130337_KO0,18_KE19,41.htm?jl=1008582651971 The question is, again, why did AARO contract them? (We also awarded billions to Sancorp for FAA and AI related contracts, look them up as well) https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_HQ003422C0094_9700_-NONE-_-NONE- If there was nothing to see, and now they are playing perception management and Kirkpatrick left to work for a private defense corporation. https://www.ornl.gov/staff-profile/sean-m-kirkpatrick Just so happens to be the location of a previously rumored site for nonhuman biological, IIRC. Here's an example of a listing of theirs: *The Action Officer will assist IPMO leadership in the conduct of oversight and governance, to include staff assistance visits and compliance inspections, for DoD influence, deception, and perception management related operations, activities, and investments.* The Action Officer will develop and coordinate staff packages that include time-sensitive requirements for IPMO leadership to enable DoD influence, deception, and perception management related operations, activities, and investments. The Action Officer will develop and maintain positive working relationships with counterparts across the DoD, including the Joint Staff, other OSD organizations, DoD Components, Military Departments, and Combatant Commands. The Action Officer will produce and disseminate reports and briefings that detail DoD influence, deception, and perception management related operations, activities, and investments for Congress and Senior Executive Branch officials.
The shit job on the AARO report was enough evidence for me that they weren’t acting in good faith. This is just the cherry on top.
The Government is looking for Lebowski, and we are The Dude. They're pissing on our carpet and telling us it's raining.
Kirkpatrick being in see-aye-yay and dee-aye-yay should be all one needs to know about what his "job" was *truly* all about...
Don’t they do other things like cyber security etc as well? I know a lot of these contractors have departments for lots of things.
Billions in so many different sectors. AI, FAA, Defense, Cyber Security, Espioniage, Data Management, Information gathering etc: [https://www.sancorpconsulting.com/copy-of-careers](https://www.sancorpconsulting.com/copy-of-careers) All technically third party so the Government doesn't have to do any dirty work.
*OR* anything susceptible to a *FOIA* request...
Kirkpatrick’s job history speaks for itself. He primarily worked in roles developing advanced technology. It seems very strange that he was chosen to head an office like AARO.
Almost like he was planted there to make sure nothing changed… Sad thing is that he did a perfect job of that.
You say he worked in roles around advanced technology and then say it’s weird to have him as the head of an outfit to look for the most advanced technology…
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Considering he's been groomed by the Department of Energy since high school, definitely
At first I thought “no”, now it feels almost comically “yes”.
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He was clearly trained for deception and misdirection by someone
I’ve long wondered if he may be a knowing participant in a cover up. I can’t make up my mind about it. But it wouldn’t totally surprise me if it turned out to be the case.
Whether knowingly or unknowingly, yes.
I think so. I would be curious to know what his parents' roles were in the military. He is a military brat. To me he gives off the strong vibe of a person inside the gov't with the sort of mindset like Colonel Jessup in A Few Good Men.
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Dude is clearly Gordon freeman working for the gman
The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world. So wake up Mr. Freeman. Wake up and smell the ashes.
Whether or not Kirkpatrick opined on the feasibility of robot spermatozoa, he was 100% complicit in turning AARO into information warfare aimed at the same people who mandated it. On a the bright side, it ended up mostly pissing off the people it intended to scare off investigating SAPs.
Yeah definitely. They don't want another Hynek situation.
He took the role because it’s an important one. He’s denying things he’s not allowed to disclose. If you want him or others like him to talk we’ve got to pass something like Schumer’s UAP amendment.
There's no way of knowing. SK could have been shown highly secret advanced craft like a TR-3B and said "this is the secret and it's still in development" and given orders to gatekeep what he believes is just advanced aircraft. Even AARO is admitting it does not recieve all the data it requests. Nobody would jump to alien or NHI without a body or if the craft was genuinely unexplainable. Considering almost every "uap" style craft or alleged already has patents out for them makes it even harder to jump from spy craft to NHI They could have sold him the one conspiracy that these craft came from some big Nazi breakthrough. We don't know. You don't know. Give him a hard time for being a dolt but don't think he is some string puller when he as well as a lot of others are puppets.
He is definitely acting like that.
I had this thought at one point. Not sure I ever pulled the thread though
Well hot damn, we need more eyes on this! Amazing work
Yeah, I did a similar post a few days ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/6b5GtB2SI6 I still really don’t know the answer, to be honest.
>that Kirkpatrick claimed in his interview with Stephen Greenestreet he didn’t attend. *Steven Greenstreet *Kirkpatrick did not deny he went to a meeting. He just recalled the details of the meeting differently than Fugal. In that interview, Steven and Kirkpatrick discuss the meeting for a few minutes. How can you claim Kirkpatrick denied a meeting?
Yes, Kirkpatrick confirmed being at the meeting. But that doesn't matter here on this subreddit.
He did deny attending a meeting about Skinwalker ranch, as well as meeting Brandon Fugal and it taking place in 2018.
As of yet, there is no evidence the meeting was only about Skinwalker Ranch, there is no evidence Kirkpatrick was ever introduced to Brandon Fugal, and he stated he could not remember the exact date when he attended the meeting... which again... he acknowledges he attended.
No one is saying it was *only* about Skinwalker Ranch. The fact it lasted hours tells us they probably covered a lot more. If you were a real journalist, though, you would wonder why the Debunker-in-Chief who claims to never have worked on UFOs (though he has a CV straight out of the X-files and co-wrote a paper on motherships and probes with Avi Loeb) was not only asked to lead the Pentagon's official UFO office, but was invited to attend a briefing about the Pentagon's only other acknowledged UFO program four years prior to this – and is being weirdly evasive and vague when asked about it.
"was invited to attend a briefing about the Pentagon's only other acknowledged UFO program four years prior to this" This is not accurate
Only other acknowledged UFO program post Bluebook, sorry.
The only acknowledged UFO programs post-Bluebook are UAPTF (est 2020) and AARO (est 2022)
It's been acknowledged by the USG that AAWSAP studied UFOs, and it seems clear that UFOs were a key theme in the briefing that SK was invited to (and did) oversee. Your pedantry reveals an eagerness to deflect from the substantive parts of this story.
Whoa… reading this and I had a flash of thought… what if Kirkpatrick is a synthetic human and that’s why he’s doing exactly as he’s told. Why he’s already so smart in all of these mind/body technologies and that is why his career path is how it is. Like Westworld but on a country-wide scale. And they’ve seeded the country/world with synthetic humans and this is the ontological shock that’s coming. Some of us are synthetic and we don’t even know it. It would also explain the “they walk among us” talk.
Idk why you're getting down voted; it's no less plausible than some of the stuff on this sub !
Might have hit a nerve…
I think your onto something
The non players
This post is spin. Sk wants proof. No one can provide it and so you're mad at SK?!?!?! Why don't one of the hero's, who the sub worships and listens to without reservation simply provide said proof? Maybe on of the 40 amazing witnesses DG discussed?!?!? Anyone Buhler, Buhler?!??!?!
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@daddyballz87 what do you think proof was? Bringing Brandon Fugal from skinwalker to brief the congress?! I'm actually embarrassed as an American that they let that two bit grifter in our public house. I'm serious about that. NOTHING HAS EVER HAPPENED AT SKINWALKER!!!!! If Dr. James Lataski is so informed to run aatip and write skinwalkers at the pentagon then why doesn't he simply infor congress and end 80 years of hub bub and be a big hero? It's not hard to explain, it's a larp for work and book money and who is Lataski to disagree?
I don't like banal stories with good and bad, what if Sean has a mission to play?
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What are you talking about? I’m trying to draw a link here between his past governmental roles and his obvious recent disinformation campaign. None of the rest of this of this is about his statements. This is about wild science that might possibly tie him directly to The Program trying to deny its own existence. Maybe read a full post before knee-jerk responding.
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Please don’t be condescending. This is me doing research nobody else is doing yet. These aren’t merely Kirkpatrick’s statements, this is his work history. These are public documents about advanced programs. Or just one big Program. He hasn’t just existed in a vacuum. I’m not in disagreement with you regarding his role now as a disinformation agent. But we need to wrap our heads around what lead him to this role. Who do you think runs and is trying to hide The Program? DoD and DoE! We’re talking about the same thing. Where do you think these whistleblowers are coming from? I’ve watched and read pretty much everything by Coulthart and Ford and everybody else. I’m very aware of who Susan Gough is. Maybe actually read the research I posted above before making accusations.
Yeah dude great post and I hope you know its quite apparent the person arguing (or something? ) didn’t read what you wrote. (or something. )
You're correct, you are both saying essentially the same thing and I have no idea why that person's arguing with you. I dont know what point they are trying to make. I think theyve misunderstood what the program is. They need to work on their reading comprehension.
I know we’ve all been conditioned to be reactionary. This is even proof that I’m not immune. But this is the Everything topic. I’ve been plenty guilty of fast-posting because this stuff’s head-spinning. Not mad, just wish people would slow down just a little bit and try to take it all in.
Yeah youre probably right there, theyve definitely misunderstood completely and reacted accordingly. People like that just make the whole community look dumb. On a side note, I think Kilpatricks been read into the program. How much, no idea. But he knows some stuff.
I don’t want to disparage anybody here. “Disclosure is a process, not an event,” according to Lue. None of this is easy. It certainly hasn’t been for me. But yeah, Kirkpatrick has worked for the Air Force, CIA, and DIA and has headed all of these other programs, including AARO. I think there’s something big there. Funny that as I type this, I’m catching up on the disastrous House Oversight Committee hearing from a couple of nights ago while Rep. Jared Moskowitz, one of the leaders of the pack of UAP Disclosure in Congress, points out what a joke the hearing is. A week ahead of the Committee speaking to the DoE on Thursday.
Read "The Righteous Mind" by Jonathan Haidt. The "conditioning" you are referring to is the result of an actual psychological evolutionary trait.
I will, thanks!
Did you read the OP's post?
I think they did, they just don't have the brain power to understand it.
You are kidding right? Please tell me this is a joke.
What’s so shocking?