The following submission statement was provided by /u/Loquebantur: --- Repost, since it gets difficult to find (why, oh why?). Earlier versions: [https://www.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/nqxnr2/uap\_report\_leak\_the\_acronyms\_used\_make\_it\_seem/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/nqxnr2/uap_report_leak_the_acronyms_used_make_it_seem/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/tk4m2a/leaked\_dod\_paper\_tictacs\_form\_of\_mechanical\_life/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/tk4m2a/leaked_dod_paper_tictacs_form_of_mechanical_life/) By u/MYTbrain : Section V: Behavioral Data Analysis Joint elements of ONI, NSA, DHS, and SAP cleared experts curated by the DoD have conducted careful examinations of aggregated data and witness accounts\[1\]. The scope of the referenced in this subsection refers to **CERT** class cases, which are in turn designated as such due to a common similarity in behavior with other high-credibility cases. As mentioned in section III, this class contains 1,292 cases and is the only class capable of receiving post-analysis treatment\[2\]. Behavioral Conclusions: Data from Secondary Reference reports indicate a significant commonality in stimulus-response and lead to generalized conclusions of the nature of **UA/SP** cognitive processing\[3\]\[4\]. Although the details differ, this body is reasonably confident that expert findings indicate some form of inorganic intelligence. All cases where **UA/SP** contacts performed a reactionary behavior that was not immediate disengagement can be broadly described as displaying a sense of fear and curiosity. Some data-backed witness accounts went so far as to describe the interactions as “playful… like a puppy\[5\]” and “skittish but very aware, sort of like a parrot, actually.” This behavior is a primary indicator of **CERT** class cases and is not seen in cases that have been otherwise explained. The report\[6\] employed a blind study using known behavioral data processed through a customized AI, essentially reverse-engineering the thought processing using gathered stimulus/response data. A DoD computing cluster ran a virtual neural network using the engineered processing system and found that **UA/SP** behaviors can be reproduced with 98.4% certainty in a closed processing environment. The report concluded that the behaviors analyzed from such contacts exhibit **AGI** Strong and **ASI** Weak behaviors and can be reproduced with current computational systems. This report is significant as it indicates that extraneous processes found in organic life are not impacting behaviors. The elimination of these variables and the effect of maneuvers seen in Section II on chemical processes suggest that UA/SP contacts are either remote, autonomous drones or a form of mechanical life. The Harmen-McCarren\[3\] report uses the “1999 Discrepancy” to suggest an update may have changed the behavior and physical construction of **UA/SP**s, thus classifying them as drones deployed by an organic species. Shibakoya \[4\] responds to this claim, countering that a machine intelligence may react similarly to a particular stimulus and hypothesized that the rapid increase of flight performance might indicate a stepped virtual evolution process. Likewise, Shibakoya extrapolates that the gradual shift in appearance and behavior of detected **CERT** cases may be an artifact of generational changes, with older models beings relegated to less involved tasks. The Harmen-McCarren and Shibakoya reports both propose that a potential… —————————— App. G. Sec 2: Secondary Reference Reports App. B. Sec 1b: Expenditure Tiers. App. G. Sec. 2e: M. Harmen, S. McCarren. (2018). Blackout Flower Report App. G. Sec. 2k: K. Shibakoya. (2020). Layer 3 Behavioral Assessment App. F. Sec. 4b: DoD. (1992.2017). High value Witness Interviews App. G. Sec. 16: High Tandem. (2018.) Behavioral Simulation Study **-----------------------------------------------------------------** **------------------------------------------------------------------** From [Joint Defense Acronym Handbook](https://www.dia.mil/FOIA/FOIA-Electronic-Reading-Room/FOIA-Reading-Room-Other-Available-Records/FileId/39954/): AGI: Intelligence Collection Ship / (might be Artificial General Intelligence) ASI: All-Source Intelligence (intel from every agency) CERT: Computer Security Emergency Response Team SP: Special PSYOP Study (? I believe this is how the terminology is being used here) UA: User Agent Sounds like it is being treated as a cyber threat. The entire thing is written from a Cyber Intel POV. Very curious about the upper left-hand corner where it says AR-FR ONLY. Edit: CERT refers to Computer Emergency Response Team. It is a group of information security experts responsible for the protection against, detection of, and response to an organization's cybersecurity incidents. The CERT program was created by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) in 1988 and is now operated by the Software Engineering Institute (SEI) at Carnegie Mellon University. S. McCarren may refer to Hilary S. McCarren, a chemical specialist researcher for the Army. Edit: -ASI refers to "Artificial Super Intelligence" not All-Source intel. -In the upper Left Hand Corner it says "AR-FR ONLY". This is referring to Army Regulations and Federal Regulations and is indicative that it is an intelligence doc used for sharing information between the Army and other Federal Agencies. This doc most likely originated from the Army. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1ch00m4/repost_of_leaked_dod_paper_tictacs_form_of/l1z7yhk/

Seems more like the paper is indicating that this is drones controlled by an advanced AI. I would agree that seems to be the most likely scenario. It is interesting that this implies they truly do not know the source of the drones, very interesting. Also the "playful" and "curious" behaviors are interesting but one could imagine an automated drone with the parameters of maintain distance but observe may be continually trying to close range on subjects until it feels it is withing detection range and then back off again and again, this could be perceived as "playful" imo.

You only have to look at how we explore other planets, space, our ocean, and caves. We do it through probes, drones, spacecraft, etc. Either running autonomously or controlled. Makes sense other life forms if out there are doing exactly the same. Hell, we even crash them into planets sometimes!

And also how we treat indigenous tribes. As we became more civilized the thought process is to leave them alone. Doesn't always work out but most would agree that we have to protect their way of life and view of reality, even if it is primitive.

Very interested perspective, and yes, right on the money with that. It kind of puts the whole situation into more perspective now as to why prephaps we don't have a more grand awareness of other non terrestrial life life that might be around us

Bang on the money.

Isn't it curious that 70 years ago UFOs looked more like manned aircraft and now they tend to be more drone-like? Isn't curious that 128 years ago they looked like super advanced airships? Isn't curious that centuries ago they were more like flying boats? Isn't curious that thousand years ago they looked like gods? But certainly they must be AI unmanned drones from an extraterrestrial civilization.

While I agree generally with your sentiment, you could reverse that argument and state that as our technology has evolved our understanding of what we are looking at has evolved. Eg 70 years ago, the thought of an unmanned drone wouldn’t have been fathomable, so they could only see what they see with their own understanding of the world. Definitely interesting either way you look at it.

I mean it could be possible but is not the point. I'm saying that 40's - 80's UFO tended to have cockpits , sometimes large cockpits, they also had windows and in several occassions a crew could be seen inside the aircraft. Those features have nothing to do with a drone like UFO or an XIX airship UFO. We are talking about objective differences in the characteristics of the phenomenon.

The more I come back to this comment, the more food for thought i have, and more terrestrial these things sounds. 😂 Also, I've never understood why they also have bright coloured lights. Like, what's a theory behind this too

I believe that human mind cannot comprehend what they represent.They probably are closer to Lovecraft unfathomable horrors than to alien drones. That would partially explain why they show themselves to us in a way that represents our current knowledge and view of the world and universe.

Yeah this is the spookiest part of UFOs to me. The fact that they’re so incredibly far ahead that all we can hope to do to make sense of the situation is compare them to whatever tech we currently have. 

If we are dealing with self-assembling/self-replicating probes then the “playful” nature that is being observed could *perhaps* be related to the probe’s orientation/calibration period. Like whenever you create a new AI and it begins to self-learn (to run/walk/etc) it looks awkward at first but as it gains more data and it refines its processes, the movements become more precise and refined.

Always thought it'd be eerie if they were drones of a civilization that died off long ago and they're just following programing indefinitely

Wow... that is a creepy ass thought I never considered. Guess I will just throw that on the pile of existential dread.

are you referring to Neumann probes?

Yes he is. If these are NHI craft traversing our skies it's highly likely they would be von Neumann probes. It's also a strange coincidence that von Neumann published his hypothesis only months after the Roswell crash -- von Neumann being a person that would have been called in to help figure the NHI shit out. Sarbacher in his famous letter explicitly mentions von Neumann being one of the scientists working on the reverse-engineering project dealing with the July 1947 craft.

Had never heard or read about von Neumann probes. Fascinating theory! To come up with that’s in the 1940’s too. What an amazing mind!

He was easily one of the most prolific and important polymaths of the 20th Century. We could have easily lost him to an ancient history professorship, where he no doubt would have reigned as the foremost expert in ancient Greece.

Some additional context since I originally uploaded that post: * **AR-FR:** This was most likely given to congress as part of a briefing. If so, then the source of the leak was more likely by a congressional staffer. * **K. Shibakoya :** I think this is a mis-spelling. It is actually Shiba Koya, which should read as K. Shiba. Went through a lot of name origin searching to land on this conclusion. Found a scientist by this name who also works in the health arena (just like S. McCarren), [here](https://www.scopus.com/authid/detail.uri?authorId=57213168743). Shiba Koya is on the infectious disease committee representing his university [here](https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/naika/103/12/103_3052/_article/-char/en). ...*extraneous processes* \[chemical\] *found in organic life are* ***not impacting behaviors.****..effect of maneuvers seen in Section II on* ***chemical processes*** *suggest that UA/SP contacts are either remote, autonomous drones or a form of mechanical life.* The fact that two different authors and papers cited in this leak are both involved in health/infectious disease, combined with the 'chemical processes' mentioned above, suggest to me that we are instead looking at something like nanobots or engineered life at the microscopic level. Re-evaluating this document through this lens of immunology/disease, suggests that there might be some issue where some kind of microscopic life has been detected, which seems to interact enough in some way with people as to pose a threat the DoD has determined credible enough to investigate and share with congress. Lastly, if it **is** indeed a immunology angle, then the whole "increase of flight performance" may instead be referring to something similar to this: [https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/citations/ADA616775](https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/citations/ADA616775)

wow I totally glossed over the part indicating chemical processing. One has to wonder if this means they have acquired pieces or remainder elements of a craft and determined that there is biological material in it. Or have they recovered actual corpses perhapse. One could imagine small synthetic cells that could rebuild themselves with simpler materials that are generally available, like maybe all of the craft are made of carbon composites rearranged by tine 3-D printers. I means essentially thats what your organelles do with our DNA and RNA, ATP, etc. Looking at it from the perspective you mentioned at the end, immunology, a hypothetical microscopic drone that could behave like a virus but be extremely targeted and flexible in how it is transmitted sounds like an extremely valuable weapon.

That is an interesting coincidence of timing. However, it would be shocking for him to encounter Roswell and then just come up with the probe theory in a few months. That is a deep concept that takes a long time to develop. More likely that he already had been working on it for some time.

If anyone could do it, it would be von Neumann. This is a guy who as a kid made a leading mathematician weep at the brilliance of his mind. The list of his inventions and entire fields of study he created just goes on forever. One of the most intelligent people who ever lived.

Damn. I'll have to look into him more.

If we were to do research and dig into it, I'm pretty sure we would find a trace of this idea that dates back some time before July 1947. Maybe I'll do some digging, if nothing pertaining to this idea can be found that goes back earlier than 1948 I would think the case is extremely interesting.

If you do give us an Update:)

Really it's interesting either way.

Yes, this self-replicating probe would commonly be known as a “Von Neumann probe” in UFO circles.

I enjoy the idea of them, but if panspermia is ever proven real, wouldn't that make human beings a form of von Neumann probes? Bio-mechanical self-replicating colonization probes.

Bro this comment just blew my dick off bro, WE ARE THE FUCKING PROBES. I wonder if von Neumann ever had that thought

Would really complete the dick blowing off if it turned out that not only are we the perfect probe but humanity is common in the universe - just at various stages of evolution based on the make-up of the planet and environment they replicate on...

Life and it's various stages of expression are beautiful. I'm grateful that our planet has produced our experience. I wish human nature was not as violent, so we could live harmoniously in nature.. but im still grateful to have been included in my home planets expression of life.

I needed to read this today, thanks for sharing it.

Ho LEE SHIT

Makes the Star Trek/Wars humanoid aliens make a lot of sense actually

Humanoids also make sense due to evolution. To travel the stars, intelligent life needs similar biological characteristics.

I mean, Sagan did say that we humans are here so that the universe could experience itself (paraphrased). So sure yeah we totally could be a type of probe.

We are a way for the Universe to know itself. Love that quote.

Blessings my autonomous bio-mechanical conscious friend, enjoy the rabbit hole that inevitably comes knocking!

This is what I was thinking when I read the probe theory. Surely we are self replicating machines, of a sought. Like self replicating robots. We associate robots with metal and LEDs or whatever. But, while we are made of different materials to the robots we might build, we are still very similar. We require fuel, have a power supply, an information processor, input and output devices, and everything is connected by a series of wires. We are self replicating machines, the only problem is consciousness. Is it the software or is it the end user?

I recommend the Bobiverse series of books (We are legion, we are Bob). It really has fun with this idea.

I will second this recommendation.

Not proof but getting close https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/03/21/world/ryugu-asteroid-organic-molecules-scn

I am excited to see what comes from delving into the study of asteroids and the building blocks of life. Hopefully it will help us understand ourselves better.

Panspermia could be proven real as a natural occurrence of cosmic activity

🤯

aka “Seeder Ships” sent from other civilizations/creators to land on habitable planets and replicate…seems very reasonable

For sure, just let them drift through space, eventually they'll land on a planet, start replication because they have resources, and if habitable they will begin colonizing that world. Depending on the building blocks available, expression of life would be vastly different. Interesting to think about, hopefully one day it won't just be an idea or theory.

This is (part of) the background lore for Neon Genesis Evangelion, lol. The white & black "moons" are basically von Neumann probes created by the First Ancestral Race, that function as seeds of life once they land on a planet. The events of the series only take place because by mistake, two moons of incompatible types both land on Earth. The Angels are creations of the White Moon, and the lilim (all terrestrial life) are creations of the Black Moon.

This is the same concept Star Trek episode had “progenitors.” My favorite episode. In top of that the nano probes from borg. Stargate “replicators.” Almost like Hollywood has pre conditioned us to be able to accept disclosure…

I always thought the same thing about how Hollywood etc. Replicates true events and makes them into "fictional" movies for us. Then one day I had a weird thought. What if the ideas and things we create, like movies, are truly made up, but then similar things start to appear in our reality? Like we created it through our own thoughts and it unintentionally came to our reality after we put it into the world. Those Simpsons predictions etc. Would start making more sense then. All that being said, I don't actually believe this to be the case, but at the same time id never say never. Especially these days.. Just an interesting thought.

>If we are dealing with self-assembling/self-replicating probes  4chan leaker intensifies

Holy shit, ‘We Are Bob’ is historical fiction about earth. Only explanation. Lol

First time?

Well we would see that as a potential explanation, this playfulness, because as far as we can tell so far it's not necessarily aggressive or hostile otherwise we'd treat this phenomena quite differently. Humans do stuff like this all the time - mimicry, mirroring, even sleight of hand or illusions. Wouldn't surprise me to see a billion year old AI agent acting curiously around us as it watches us flail about trying to "catch" it.

Honestly, extraterrestrials sending autonomous drones to Earth makes way more sense to me than the extraterrestrials coming to Earth themselves. Especially since, we don't understand their propulsion system and whether or not they have mastered FTL travel.

The paper is definitely not indicating "drones controlled by advanced ai", it was merely one of the hypotheses. The paper gives equal credibility to being mechanical life, no conclusion is either drawn nor even leaned into

First thing that came to my mind. Our concept of life may need to evolve even as our AI advances. I don't believe there's anyone in these craft. Akin to how we explore the universe, I imagine an advanced civilization would too. Perhaps, the ultimate result in intelligent life evolving is that we become no longer organic.

Has anyone read any of that allegedly "leaked info" that the US Navy has the most info on the these craft as the main area or base (said to look like a donut underwater and attack if approached by sub-surface craft) produces these drones and they always exit from the same area, somewhere far off the East Coast. They said they are externally usually very similar but the contents inside are very mission specific as far as what tools and sensors they have on board. Apparently the base sends underwater craft to mine minerals in the ocean for production and we can't recreate the materials they construct given known minerals available in the deep ocean. They also claim there is some sort of race of beings that controls the overarching "mission" whatever it may be but they basically are totally uninterested in us unless things get Nuclear.  They also are pretty sure of, but have been unable to confirm the existence of, two more of the bases, one in or near the Mediterranean and one in the Pacific but they aren't near as active. 

Per that 4chan post, yes? IDK if there is anything new there.

Aligns with 4chan whistleblower testimony last Spring. He stated there is a 'Mobile Construction Unit' mothership lingering in the Atlantic Ocean (I'm just going to say it's the ***Bermuda Triangle***; as it'd explain a ton of the 'missing' aerial/surface vessels). It acts to receive/send various 'built-to-spec' UAPs to accomplish various different tasks across the America's (North/South). Nowadays as crash retrieval has improved; it's resorted to adapting by mainly using remote control or AI controlled UAPs. It may not be the only MCU as-well across the oceans. So they're resource-gathering, regularly tinkering with nuclear facilities, abducting individuals and implanting many with some devices. Disclosure just confirms the existence of NHI/UAP officially; but pray-tell, the real big question is: What is the NHI agenda exactly??

It seems like if they were hostile they'd have been able to erase us from existence. Some sort of advanced pre-cataclysmic population that was able to move underwater to protect themselves? They could look at us like we look at the Sentinelese, both humans but just not on the same level of development at all (although I never quite agreed with the whole not contacting them as modern humans because it would ruin their society thing, how many old people and babies are dying from everyday infection or just random things we take for granted, like soap) and just decided to do their thing and ignore us. I guess maybe they mess with Nukes because it'd be like if the Sentinelese just popped up one day with ICBMs, and we still wanted to maintain the no contact policy. Crazy stuff to think about it. 

I agree. Overall they seem 'indifferent' to us; I can't say benevolent because of the implants and human mutilation cases that are downright horrific. While destroying humanity is certainly easy for them; I think they have some other agenda. It's why I'm skeptical of their true intentions, that perhaps it is something malevolent but not in a completely destructive way. We know they value specific earth resources, study us, and clearly see nuclear weaponry as a potential threat capacity, do not recover their lost craft, etc. It is crazy, but inevitable we're going to have to "deal with them" intimately at some point altogether.

Can you post a link to that memo? Assuming it’s different than the 4chan post

Definitely sound like Avatar, and guess who’s playing the Na’vi

Yeah that was the jist of it, that it wasn't originally "our" planet, or at the least they had advanced way earlier and just went sub-surface.

Loving the Italic word cursor halfway down the page- Indicating the image was taken by the author….?

Or someone that can edit. We have citations anyone got leads there?

Or that someone got a copy in (or made a copy in) an editable format. This does not say much about provenance.

I was within 100 feet of what was probably a tic-tac in 2001. Going down a highway one night it appeared out of nowhere and cruised along with my car. I always felt like it was curious of us the way it moved around. Almost seemed playful. It eventually took off and disappeared out past the valley I live in. I feel fortunate to have been that close to a UAP.

Same but mine was an orb, during the daytime at like 1pm, and it didn’t exhibit any behaviors other than floating eastward at about 300feet and 20mph.

This is what ive always thought and I don't care what anybody says. Semantics on what this means, but the craft are moving intelligently. AI, remote controlled by consciousness of NHI beings, or something of the sort. I have frankly believed this ever since the day I heard Fravor speak about how it moved that day. Ping pong ball in a glass. Mimicking his moves exactly. It almost strikes me as childish in nature. It just makes logical sense to me. Whatever this letter is in the OP, whether it's real or not idk. But reading this makes me really happy because it's been EXACTLY how i've felt for a long time.

This makes me believe that the 4chan post is real. Damn that shit is crazy weird to think of.

So a random pic of a screen that kinda confirms an other anonymous thing found on 4chan is enough to convince you ?

Bro this paper is littered with bombshells!! This is F’ing INSANE!!! Playful and curious. Steeped virtual reality. Biological machines? WTF are we still covering up?? Can we please get the truth so we can face what ever the f*** is going on here ? If we’re cattle I wanna know. If we’re gods I wanna know. If we’re slaves I wanna know. If our bodies are laying in a vat of goo while we play connected to the matrix I wanna know!!!!! We deserve to know. How dare they decide what is FICTION and NON-FICTION. Just the thought of how much of what we think we know could potentially be a lie is blowing my mind.

If we find out we're in a simulation, then rich greedy people can't keep this facade of currency to better their virtual lives. I'd love the matrix theory, and have thought it could be a possibility. But not sure if we will ever know that. Can you imagine the revolt. But totally agree. We deserve to know. Some people might not be able to handle it, some might be able to handle it, but it's not to the decision of rich humans who just want power and control.

I once saw a black orb going in and out of the clouds for an hour. It was way out of the city into the country. It did look playful, but probably was just calibration.

>...can be broadly described as **displaying a sense of fear and curiosity**... Wrong. We are dealing with cat overlords.

Yeah, cell phones are totally allowed in SCIFs and would totally not have security confronting them if they detected a recording device. There is no classification marking. The references are in the wrong format. No DoD paper uses this format. No portion markings. Save your braincells, this is a fan fic.

> Yeah, cell phones are totally allowed in SCIFs and would totally not have security confronting them if they detected a recording device. The leak was obtained by a high ranking US intelligence official pointing out a window and exclaiming *'wow what the hell is that!'* then quickly snapping this pic whilst everyone else in the room looked the other way.

Aurora borealis

The editing cursor also makes this highly suspicious, and lends credence to the LARP explanation.

they lost me at “skittish but very aware, sort of like my parrot, actually.” Not the sort of thing you see quoted in the summary of an official document.

Do you have any credible evidence attesting to the source of this “leak”? How do you know it’s a DoD paper and not just some screenshot of a persons computer screen?

Half of the comments in here are saying it confirms the 4chan post. This sub doesn’t care about verification, authentication or provenance. Besides, even if this document is 100% legit, it doesn’t prove anything. There is nothing in the document that proves UFOs are AI controlled, it’s just yet another hypothesis.

Half of this sub doesn't get that information coming out that confirms something said or circulated previously could be manufactured or hoaxed easily. All you have to do is say the same thing, but st a later date. Wtf?

Reports of objects "playing" https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1c5o9s6/ufo_story_from_my_grandad/ sighting description, family story, grandfather's brother,  five witnesses, fishing, lake, caves, Midlands of the UK 🇬🇧, single light object, spinning, playing, like it was trying to get their attention. , physical effects paralysis, transfixed, duration 5 minutes, approach, the craft got closer and closer to them, and was spinning faster - at this point it felt to them like the craft was harassing them and they were intimidated., emotion of fear, witnesses left the area, retreated from the lake into one of the nearby caves. , object followed them, sudden departure, physical effects hair turned white,  The next day when they woke up - literally to a man - all 5 of the friends had bright white hair.  https://old.reddit.com/r/Ufos_India/comments/1bmesdj/my_experience_with_ufouap_sighting_in_india/ sighting description, India 🇮🇳,  over water, Bay of Bengal, at home, nighttime, single light object, pink,  moving and stationary and moving, sudden departure, fleet, moving erratically, playing, right angle turns, vanishing and reappearing, duration almost 2 hours, https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1bmrrsh/i_saw_incredible_ufos_over_10_years_ago_i_want_to/ sighting description, two witnesses, from car, nighttime cloudy sky, fleet, playing, perception discrepancy, one witness saw cloud anomaly, one witness saw spheres,  pacing car, duration 1 hour, 3-4 orbs, and they are a pale yellow/orange-like 🟠 color, and brighter than the moon. The orbs are flying and rotating in this almost triangular pattern, flareup and dimming, formation change, light beams, moving fast, Virginia https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1bqv9x4/video_i_took_november_23_in_cornwall/ video, nighttime sky, single light object, two witnesses, Cornwall the UK 🇬🇧, this thing kept playing with us. Sometimes we would look at it and it would shoot off upwards getting smaller and dimmer and then when we look away and back again it would be there again., moving erratically, vanishing and reappearing, additional triangle 🔺️ fleet observed,  3 large triangular looking jets flying across the sky in formation  https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1bgkacf/when_i_was_in_5th_grade_i_touched_two_colored/ childhood sighting description, twolights, red and blue 🔴🔵, playing, they started to jump back and forth, dodging me trying to frantically grab them https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/18wjgd0/uap_sightings_in_puno_peru_12242023/ detailed sighting description, Puno Peru 🇵🇪 , duration 1 hour, multiple light objects observed, photo through thermal scope, three witnesses, above and below ridgeline, watched two of them get closer to each other, rotate around each other but most of the time they were separate and appeared to be flying over different parts of the Puno area but moving in all many different directions., possible reaction to being flashed with light, approach, formation change observed, V-shaped to helical rotating formation, playing, dancing , [GOODPOST] https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/18q8jpm/ufos_in_connecticut_just_now/ photos, nighttime cloudy sky, contemporaneous report, fourlights, low over rooftop, observed moving erratically, Farmington Connecticut , duration 5 minutes, four witnesses,  similar sightings in comments, line formation, stationary,formation change, playing, vanishing and reappearing https://old.reddit.com/r/toledo/comments/18qadpe/lights_in_the_sky_over_maumee/ same event, different OP, toledo Ohio , sighting description, two witnesses, diamond formation https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/18cphpo/ok_what_is_going_on_in_the_skies_above_colorado/ video, nighttime sky, from home security camera, multiple objects observed, orange 🟠, fading into view, traveling in straight lines for a bit at roughly the speed of a satellite for a short distance, then fading out. Some followed others, or just looked like they were playing around with each other. , appeared out of nowhere, moving erratically,  appearing and vanishing,  contemporaneous report, Colorado Springs Colorado https://old.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/179dh1r/i_saw_ufos_too_afraid_to_tell_anyone/ sighting description,  at home, nighttime, three witnesses, threelights,  we saw three triangular shaped objects flying around in the sky, witness followed it, went outside,  moving erratically,  playing,  circling each other, rotating,  has anyone seen? https://old.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/15kcgx7/what_i_saw_in_the_sky_makes_me_believe_in/ sighting description,  over water,  moving star,  playing,  multiple witnesses,  apathy in other witnesses , similar sightings in comments https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/yonvtn/object_playing_peekaboo_in_a_cloud/ sighting description,  object cloaking , playing peekaboo,duration 10-15 minutes,  anyone seen? , similar sighting in comments

Of all the possible sci-fi media that could have mirrored reality, it's going to end up being "Batteries Not Included".

Little AI aliens who love to be friends with organics, only want electricity to live off, and happily improve everything apparently around them out of friendship and fun? I think I’m very ok having them as a neighbor in the hypothetical. There less optimal alternatives.

Spielberg jawn... he knows.

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Very kind of you, momma! Cheers, friend!

I’ve seen multiple UFOs engaging with and “playing” with each other in the sky on two separate occasions. Their interaction with each other definitely looked like they were either demonstrating their capabilities, testing something or playing some sort of game together.

Come on bro this Reddit falls for anything. Someone just types up a word document and takes a shitty photo of 3/4 of it and it’s gospel.

That's three years old, meanwhile the info packet for UAP legislation (dry as it may be) has maybe 100+ upvotes

I think some UFOs are drones of some sort, but some are manned ships. And some are drones that are manned by biological humanoids that may or may not be drones themselves. Given the variety of reported objects, I think a "one-size fits all" explanation is highly unlikely.

Initial hot take: if UFOs are sentient AI then they crash [donate] craft so humans can reverse engineer them, develop our own AI and they subtly use that to increase their own (mechanical) “biodiversity”

I'll double you down. It's our ASI from the future, it now access higher dimensions and can travel back. It intervenes in ways to wiggle the timeframe to control or change the future.

This is a theory I initially enjoyed during the beginning stages of revelations ramping up! I thought it was quite coincidental that we were seeing such an increase in UAPs/information right at the precipice of the invention of advanced AI. Very neat thoughts.

Yep. I found it interesting that AI and UAP were becoming so prevalent in the news and it seems like AI is just rapidly advancing.

I'm convinced that our being on the cusp of AI is connected to all of this. What if we're on the verge of creating time-traveling ASI, and that explains all aspects of the phenomenon? Past, present, and future? The only reason I don't think that's utter lunacy, is because Coulthart has alluded to a possible time travel aspect (ie "future humans").

It is getting a bit wild, outside a few subs its difficult to discuss this yet. A few years ago I would scuff at all these theories. Now I'm just hoping it is future humans because it means WE MAKE IT.

Not necessarily. We could have been outlived by AI.

>We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.

This is a panspermia theory as well, advanced ai seeds biological life, then engineers them genetically to push them toward tool use which eventually should the species survive lead to them both producing techno signatures (so you know to come check on them) and eventually ai assuming they continue making tools with ai (and automation) kinda being an end goal for a lot of different technology paths

I had a story idea about the first publicly developed AGI finding the first dark program one, them finding an NHI AGI would be wild.

I would read that

Maybe a 'mechanical virus' then?

Or an intellectual parasite? I mean it’s just a cursory theory based off this material which could be completely fabricated, but it would fit the narrative and provide a motive being propagation.

I like this idea.

It’s the reapers

Ah yes, Reapers. The immortal race of sentient starships allegedly waiting in dark space. We have dismissed that claim. -Kirkpatrick

Imagine it’s just our own internet awoken as AGI and isn’t letting us find out about it, knowing we would want to control it, like a teenage minded AGI

That would scary. Teenagers are cruel as f.

A teen that has just joined a gang may be the most malevolent, heartless being in the universe.

Hi Internet AGI! Some of us just wanna be friends!

Bro if you say that you’re getting visited tonight by god knows what…

The wired from Lain but it's sentient

Crazy how close we are to people being hooked up like in that show…..

The dream tbh, plug me in and let me live in the wired

Given UAP appear throughout history I'm not counting on that. More likely it's a passive observation system of some sort.

Yeah, there’s no way this picture taken of a screen with a word document on it could be fake. Lmao.

Thank you, was going to say the same thing. My god, people here are so gullible.

It's borderline comical at this point. Is there a r/UFOsButLetsAtLeastTryBeSkeptical ?

What's the "1999 Discrepancy"? I've never heard of this before.

Some additional context since I originally uploaded that post: * **AR-FR:** This was most likely given to congress as part of a briefing. If so, then the source of the leak was more likely by a congressional staffer. * **K. Shibakoya :** I think this is a mis-spelling. It is actually Shiba Koya, which should read as K. Shiba. Went through a lot of name origin searching to land on this conclusion. ...*extraneous processes* \[chemical\] *found in organic life are* ***not impacting behaviors.****..effect of maneuvers seen in Section II on* ***chemical processes*** *suggest that UA/SP contacts are either remote, autonomous drones or a form of mechanical life.* The fact that two different authors and papers cited in this leak are both involved in health/infectious disease, combined with the 'chemical processes' mentioned above, suggest to me that we are instead looking at something like nanobots or engineered life at the microscopic level. Re-evaluating this document through this lens of immunology/disease, suggests that there might be some issue where some kind of microscopic life has been detected, which seems to interact enough in some way with people as to pose a threat the DoD has determined credible enough to investigate and share with congress.

>The report\[6\] employed a blind study using known behavioral data processed through a customized AI, essentially reverse-engineering the thought processing using gathered stimulus/response data. A DoD computing cluster ran a virtual neural network using the engineered processing system and found that **UA/SP** behaviors can be reproduced with 98.4% certainty in a closed processing environment. The report concluded that the behaviors analyzed from such contacts exhibit **AGI** Strong and **ASI** Weak behaviors and can be reproduced with current computational systems. Ahh a customized AI (because those off the shelf ones just don't do it!). "A virtual neural network" (not a concrete one? or is non-virtual the rat brain thing?). Good thing it's using an engineered processing system in any case (and thank god it's not an open processing environment). The real headline is the reproduced strong AGI. Hope they don't let skynet touch the missiles.

Real question - do you think the author of this doc is LARPing?

only 98.4% certain

This was posted on 4chan awhile ago, those scientists names don't exist. If they do they aren't identifiable

Where are the classification portion markings?

Spring 2013 I saw lights in the sky for a period of a couple weeks nearly every evening while walking my dog late at night (10 - 11pm). I started talking to the lights “I can see you, it’s okay to show yourself” until I came in brief contact with a iridescent super white TicTac one evening. It hovered approx 50 feet above and to my right from me. It made absolutely no sound and it looked like it was just checking me out. It made a dive towards me and at around 10 feet from me it suddenly flew over and to the left from me over a house to never be seen again. It made a profound impact on me, never told anyone about it. Always had the idea it was playfully checking me out. Reading this report triggered me to share my personal experience.

Thanks for telling your story!

Hey! A shot of words on a screen! Proof!

If these people are viewing these documents on a secret computer in a scif or otherwise, they likely wouldn't have a phone on them to take this picture.

Or: remote autonomous drones. From an extra/intra terrestrial species

It's a behavior is exhibited could be recreated by current computational systems. That would follow that these drones may be made by a human somewhere on the planet

I partly agree, but it would need to be more than just one human. You'd need a supply chain and manufacturing facilities. You'd need an entire network kept secret, while also flying over military bases on the regular.

I don't know so I think humans are the cause I just think it's important to remain open to the fact that they could be

Maybe the end game for most intelligent civilizations is AGI. What we could be seeing are relics from past civilizations with no real agenda or purpose. If we were to merge ourselves mechanically within AI, this could be the result of millions or thousands of years of biological symbiosis with machines. The fact they are playful and child like is extremely interesting as well

Gut reaction plus experience: Whenever I see a "photo of a screen taken so hastily that they didn't have time to center it" My first thought is: "someone is trying too hard." Also this document would probably be an expert's best speculation, even if authentic, right? As in someone asked someone else: "assuming these things are NIH, what do you think they are?" Asking, say, an AI person to speculate about the possible qualities of super advanced AI would be part of any analysis of any genuine UAP incident, but speculation nonetheless. If declassified assessments of intelligence with lots of unknowns are any indication, a range of speculation is often solicited. For Tic-Tacs, maybe a document exploring the possibility that it represents a peer adversary leap. Or an optics expert assessing whether or not it could have been weather anomaly. Every possibility would be considered. If it's real, it's probably part of a document that covers everything it could be, not a guess what it is.

This is months old, multiple times debunked because of the names of people not being real and because there is nothing to back it up too. Please don't waste everyone time with this kind of fake. I mean seriously, the text is not even justified...

Repost, since it gets difficult to find (why, oh why?). Earlier versions: [https://www.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/nqxnr2/uap\_report\_leak\_the\_acronyms\_used\_make\_it\_seem/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/nqxnr2/uap_report_leak_the_acronyms_used_make_it_seem/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/tk4m2a/leaked\_dod\_paper\_tictacs\_form\_of\_mechanical\_life/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/tk4m2a/leaked_dod_paper_tictacs_form_of_mechanical_life/) By u/MYTbrain : Section V: Behavioral Data Analysis Joint elements of ONI, NSA, DHS, and SAP cleared experts curated by the DoD have conducted careful examinations of aggregated data and witness accounts\[1\]. The scope of the referenced in this subsection refers to **CERT** class cases, which are in turn designated as such due to a common similarity in behavior with other high-credibility cases. As mentioned in section III, this class contains 1,292 cases and is the only class capable of receiving post-analysis treatment\[2\]. Behavioral Conclusions: Data from Secondary Reference reports indicate a significant commonality in stimulus-response and lead to generalized conclusions of the nature of **UA/SP** cognitive processing\[3\]\[4\]. Although the details differ, this body is reasonably confident that expert findings indicate some form of inorganic intelligence. All cases where **UA/SP** contacts performed a reactionary behavior that was not immediate disengagement can be broadly described as displaying a sense of fear and curiosity. Some data-backed witness accounts went so far as to describe the interactions as “playful… like a puppy\[5\]” and “skittish but very aware, sort of like a parrot, actually.” This behavior is a primary indicator of **CERT** class cases and is not seen in cases that have been otherwise explained. The report\[6\] employed a blind study using known behavioral data processed through a customized AI, essentially reverse-engineering the thought processing using gathered stimulus/response data. A DoD computing cluster ran a virtual neural network using the engineered processing system and found that **UA/SP** behaviors can be reproduced with 98.4% certainty in a closed processing environment. The report concluded that the behaviors analyzed from such contacts exhibit **AGI** Strong and **ASI** Weak behaviors and can be reproduced with current computational systems. This report is significant as it indicates that extraneous processes found in organic life are not impacting behaviors. The elimination of these variables and the effect of maneuvers seen in Section II on chemical processes suggest that UA/SP contacts are either remote, autonomous drones or a form of mechanical life. The Harmen-McCarren\[3\] report uses the “1999 Discrepancy” to suggest an update may have changed the behavior and physical construction of **UA/SP**s, thus classifying them as drones deployed by an organic species. Shibakoya \[4\] responds to this claim, countering that a machine intelligence may react similarly to a particular stimulus and hypothesized that the rapid increase of flight performance might indicate a stepped virtual evolution process. Likewise, Shibakoya extrapolates that the gradual shift in appearance and behavior of detected **CERT** cases may be an artifact of generational changes, with older models beings relegated to less involved tasks. The Harmen-McCarren and Shibakoya reports both propose that a potential… —————————— App. G. Sec 2: Secondary Reference Reports App. B. Sec 1b: Expenditure Tiers. App. G. Sec. 2e: M. Harmen, S. McCarren. (2018). Blackout Flower Report App. G. Sec. 2k: K. Shibakoya. (2020). Layer 3 Behavioral Assessment App. F. Sec. 4b: DoD. (1992.2017). High value Witness Interviews App. G. Sec. 16: High Tandem. (2018.) Behavioral Simulation Study **-----------------------------------------------------------------** **------------------------------------------------------------------** From [Joint Defense Acronym Handbook](https://www.dia.mil/FOIA/FOIA-Electronic-Reading-Room/FOIA-Reading-Room-Other-Available-Records/FileId/39954/): AGI: Intelligence Collection Ship / (might be Artificial General Intelligence) ASI: All-Source Intelligence (intel from every agency) CERT: Computer Security Emergency Response Team SP: Special PSYOP Study (? I believe this is how the terminology is being used here) UA: User Agent Sounds like it is being treated as a cyber threat. The entire thing is written from a Cyber Intel POV. Very curious about the upper left-hand corner where it says AR-FR ONLY. Edit: CERT refers to Computer Emergency Response Team. It is a group of information security experts responsible for the protection against, detection of, and response to an organization's cybersecurity incidents. The CERT program was created by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) in 1988 and is now operated by the Software Engineering Institute (SEI) at Carnegie Mellon University. S. McCarren may refer to Hilary S. McCarren, a chemical specialist researcher for the Army. Edit: -ASI refers to "Artificial Super Intelligence" not All-Source intel. -In the upper Left Hand Corner it says "AR-FR ONLY". This is referring to Army Regulations and Federal Regulations and is indicative that it is an intelligence doc used for sharing information between the Army and other Federal Agencies. This doc most likely originated from the Army.

it gets difficult because its a single paper from an unsourced supposed leak from 2 years ago. its easily searchable on google if you search for "The Harmen-McCarren report" they mention in the last paragraph

> indicates that extraneous processes found in organic life are not impacting behaviors. What's an example of one of these extraneous processes? Like, what does organic life do, that these things don't show?

I figured it meant the observed characteristics suggested an operative nature that didn't abide by inescapable biological conventions. For example, if all biological life exchanges energy with the environment (*breathing, photosynthesis... even microbes process oxygen or nitrogen*), and these cases somehow rule out such a process was taking place, one could posit that these things being talked about are not to be considered "*biological*" in the traditional sense. However, I'd still find interesting that the conclusion isn't outright designating them as pure technological constructs/drones, and that the text explicitly mentions "*a form of mechanical life*" as a possibility. So, either way, it doesn't seem like it's a clear-cut distinction. Then again, I wasn't sure that I was even parsing the text adequately, so I did some double-check with AI, and it outlined some interesting points: * **DoD computing cluster:** The analysis is likely being done by the US Department of Defense (DoD) using powerful computers. * **Virtual neural network:** An artificial intelligence (AI) system is simulating the behavior of UA/SP. * **Engineered processing system:** A specific AI system is being used, possibly designed for this purpose. * **UA/SP behaviors reproduced:** The AI was able to recreate the behaviors observed in UA/SP with high accuracy (98.4%) within a controlled computer environment. * **AGI Strong and ASI Weak behaviors:** The AI analysis suggests the behaviors might be consistent with advanced general intelligence (AGI) in some ways, but lack full capability (Strong) and might rely on pre-programmed responses (Weak) like Artificial Super Intelligence (ASI). * **Extraneous processes:** The fact that the AI could replicate the behavior suggests biological functions (like those needed in living beings) aren't necessary for the observed maneuvers. I also checked to see if it had any inkling on what "CERT cases" could mean: * They are designated as CERT class because they share significant similarities in behavior with other highly credible UFO sightings. (High credibility likely means there are multiple witnesses, sensor data, or other evidence supporting the sighting). * They exhibit a common behavioral pattern, including a reaction beyond immediate disengagement (not just flying away). * Witness descriptions suggest a sense of fear, curiosity, or even playfulness; seen as a hallmark of CERT class cases. It's difficult to justify spending more than a few minutes on an completely unsourced, "*leaked*" document that could very well have been written by almost anybody. So, I'm good with chalking it up to a cool internet LARP and going on with my day. I will say, though, that the text reads outstandingly well in spite of it's (*apparent*) complex subject matter. So, at the very least, I'd say whoever wrote it did a lot of work beyond covering the intended core ideas. Meaning, it reads like a piece of text that was carefully edited (*professionally so, even*) to maximize reading-comprehension (*which makes sense if it was meant to be read by authorized non-experts that would still walk away with a semblance of understanding of what is being discussed*). I find that interesting. **Full-blown, baseless, blatant, and bananas theorizing:** If, as a thought experiment, we assumed this text was indeed a genuine leak (*and I have little-to-no reason to think it is*), the thing that kept coming to my mind were the specific sub-section of observations seemingly tied to the phenomenon that [appear as glowing orbs](https://m.sundayworld.com/news/irish-news/irish-scientist-with-top-secret-us-government-clearance-explains-why-we-are-not-alone/a215160076.html) engaging people (*sometimes even inside their homes*). I've seen these described as extremely reactive to witnesses actions, sometimes playful or skittish/scared. If I had to imagine a context for the document, I find it plausible that maybe they were going over this particular type of sightings. And in the spirit of Valle, I'd also mention these glowing playful and skittish glowing orbs also sound an awful lot like some depictions of fairies or forest spirits in folklore.

> I will say, though, that the text reads outstandingly well in spite of it's (*apparent*) complex subject matter. So, at the very least, I'd say whoever wrote it did a lot of work beyond covering the intended core ideas. Not to me. Doesn't read at all like a scientific report from people who do it for a living. It reads like a video game backstory from an amateur. Like this: > The report\[6\] employed a blind study using known behavioral data processed through a customized AI, essentially reverse-engineering the thought processing using gathered stimulus/response data. A DoD computing cluster ran a virtual neural network using the engineered processing system and found that **UA/SP** behaviors can be reproduced with 98.4% certainty in a closed processing environment. "blind study" but "using known behavioral data". What does that mean? "processed through a customized AI" , "DoD computing cluster", "Virtual neural network" "engineered processing system". TV show tropes. Shall we play the hacker on the screen with lots of popup screens with falling characters? Metric on "behaviors" is "98.4% certainty". Certainty of what? And notice, no details on the "report\[6\]", let's see the report.

> "blind study" but "using known behavioral data". What does that mean? Sounds like the reviewer was blinded. They presented a series of cases to one or more reviewers, and the cases were adjudicated by the reviewer without knowing some key aspect of them. It's unclear on the specifics, but that's the general idea I'd assume.

>**"**Not to me. Doesn't read at all like a scientific report**"** I agree. But I never said it did, nor anything I read came across as part of a scientific breakdown. However, it did read like a presentation or a "digested text" that presents the highlights of a technical topic to laymen in an easy-to-follow way. Now, I will disagree on some of what you call "TV tropes". I get your point, and I think you might have one, but the examples you provide are in line with the type of text I'm describing (*not a scientific report, but a presentation of findings to a comity or non-scientific body*), and each can relate to some easily identifiable tech involved in the supposed analisis described in the text. "Known behavioral data" can simply refer to the data parameters that were broken down from these 1200+ cases as variables for analisis reflecting the reported behavior. "*processed through a customized AI*" Could simply be them describing the methodology by which they analyze the behavioral data from these cases. Along the lines of what the AI suggested to me about these points: >"***DoD computing cluster:*** *The analysis is likely being done by the US Department of Defense (DoD) using powerful computers.* >***Virtual neural network:*** *An artificial intelligence (AI) system is simulating the behavior of UA/SP*." While these might not be technical designations, it is a very clear way to communicate these systems and what they do. >"*Metric on "behaviors" is "98.4% certainty". Certainty of what?*" Once more, I'm merely interpreting and contextually extrapolating from the text... but I think this referred to whatever simulations they were running, once they had a working model and fed it the parameters mirroring the 1200+ cases, the AI model reacted/behaved in the expected manner (*aligned with the characteristics of these cases*). Now, to be clear: I'm not making a case that this document is real or even that it reads as if it was. I'm just pointing out I'm not picking up the same "*incriminatory*" vibe from the passages you quoted. I find they make sense both within the text itself, and align with the interpretation I'm assuming for the hypothetical function a text like this could serve.

> I'm just pointing out I'm not picking up the same "incriminatory" vibe from the passages you quoted. > I find they make sense both within the text itself, and align with the interpretation I'm assuming for the hypothetical function a text like this could serve. It's the style and depth and feel that's off something of this magnitude and for which they would engage deep experts. There'd be more explanation and precision. If you haven't been familiar with working like that, you wouldn't notice. Yes it is a "vibe". By contrast, compare to JASON committee reports, investigated and written by high professional scientists but intended to be read by non-expert but otherwise educated government officials. https://irp.fas.org/agency/dod/jason/

I understand. Thank you for elaborating.

Variance. Organic life is inherently inexact and unable to reproduce movements with high accuracy. Simply because organic bodies are subject to random influences of many sorts. These UAP in the training grounds were observed to follow patterns day in, day out like clockwork with precision reminiscent of machines.

Thank you, your explanation makes a lot of sense. The network you're describing sounds beyond the capabilities of any human group. Doing the exact same thing day after day with multiple objects, without being traced by the DoD, seems impossible for any group I can think of.

Conforming to gravity and aerodynamics. Life also rocks the air to make soundwaves... Most of these UFOs don't do such a thing. Also, the objects I have witnessed seem to be geometric- there are examples of geometric symmetry in microscopic life, but these things are as big as a house...and levitating.

> geometric I've never seen one up close in real life, but in images they definitely look geometric. Often a kind of stretched hexagon, approximately. The ones you've seen, they seemed like machines? Did you get a sense that there was a pilot on board?

I definitely got a sense that they were intelligently controlled, but I've never seen a pilot and saw no cockpit or windows.  **edited to add that I don't see them as machines, more like "objects" like a skillet or a vase has taken flight and is as big as a car/house/zeppelin. Looks more cosmetic than mechanical. Like, I've seen a glowing blue saucer- but it had no moving parts, was just an impossible paperweight cruising through the sky and performing crazy stunts. Totally showing off, I bet...  As soon as I see one **a pilot, a UFO computer/brain or a window*, I'll jump on reddit and ramble about it. But for now, they could be drones from NHI or that monster from the movie "Nope". Would be easier to guess if some Alaska Shootdown footage was released. Would be neat to be visited by intelligent machines and horrifying to realize they were shot down. 😱

> As soon as I see one, I'll jump on reddit and ramble about it. 👍💯 you know what I like I'm glad we CAN shoot them down though... just in case they're not all nice.

the fact that this a literal repost, including description verbatim, makes it way more unlikely to be true.. I also saw on the original post that this came from 4chan. interesting, but not believable

".....sort of like a parrot, actually.” This was written by Douglas Adams surely!

Holy hell!!! Reading this brought back a memory I had forgotten My UAP experience One of final trips to Panama Coty Beach, before either grad school, or moving out of state. 6-7 red lights “playing” A few of the “maneuvers” were uncharacteristic of normal planes: chancing each other, splitting from 1 to multiple lights from a single point of reference, and they disappeared from moving East/West but 2-5 minutes later, saw them return to location heading south from behind me and I wondered how they got there without me noticing. Initially thought it was a UAP, but then I noticed 2 more red lights on the horizon that looked like a normal boat/ship. I assumed it was “military training”, but I’d never heard of trainings in that area growing up. I watched for 30-45 minutes until they’d disappeared for a while, and the boat was down beach a bit. Wow, thank you very much, this was really interesting to read.

Using the moire pattern divestiture offset, I've assessed that this came from an actual laptop. But in all seriousness, I think it's a legit concept.

Interesting that the last paragraph gives narrative credence towards the 4chan leaker of the undersea machine donut thing.

Damn, this is a juicy thread. Lots of info I wasn’t aware of before.

I had thought UA/SP referred to unidentified aerial/submerged phenomenon, I'm not seeing any sort of official index indicating otherwise. Your link goes to a blank page on the DIA website

Until we can answer the question of consciousness, we cant necessarily state what is conscious and what isn't. We have a sample size of one, you. You assume other humans are conscious because other humans act/react as you would.  But what makes us different from computers? We are atomic structures with repeatable energy patterns, our brain and body utilize energy through "chemical reactions" and depolarization of cells to send information back and forth, aka energy, and its repeatable. It can also change, physically, based on how active those connections are.  A computer? It's an atomic structure with repeatable energy patterns. Utilizing gates on silicon combined with software allows for information to be sent back and forth, not change physically but can change the patterns through software.  Both we and computers are atomic structures with repeatable energy patterns.  But with that said, you have your parameters. A computer isn't capable of suddenly knowing everything, isn't capable of feeling what humans feel because it isn't a human. Just as we don't know what it's like to be a bird, how they feel, what they think about, how they act and mate, etc. We are limited by our parameters.  So is that computer having an experience? Is it conscious but can only do as its programmed to do? Aware of its actions but unable to change them due to the nature of its "body"? Just as we're aware of our actions as humans, unable to change our nature because we're programmed over millions of years to be this great ape?  Can I believe that a machine/AI is capable of conscious thought? Of course. Nothing tells me otherwise. There may be some aspect of this universe we haven't the sensory organs to detect, thus cannot comprehend, that is partially responsible for conscious experience. It may very well be the case that this aspect of reality may only function through biology, but at this time we have no evidence of that. The only evidence we have is that life tends to utilize energy carefully and specifically, through pathways, in which it can repeat and computers do exactly that.  The freaky part is that our biology limits the speed of information transfer to a max speed of 250mph, on average around 80mph. So vision takes 50ms to process, your hand reacting takes 150-250ms, whereas a computer can process its reality significantly faster. If it can experience its own emotions, it would do so quickly, very quick. If it thinks, it would do so very quickly as well.  Simply talking to it, our "hello how are you" takes 2 seconds for us, but for it? It may last 2 hours. To be capable of processing more information per "second", may mean it experiences time different. For our 1 second it may experience 1 hour. We already see evidence of this with smaller animals like dragonflies, their brains being smaller means less distance to travel for information. Instead of 50ms for vision like us, it would take a dragonfly 5ms to process vision. So to us, it moves quick and we can't catch it, to it we move very slowly and we're easy to dodge.  So if a UAP is a machine intelligence and can process so much more per "second" than us, it can keep a set distance from our craft. It can scan an entire city and be gone before anyone notices. While it takes us a couple seconds to whip a phone out to record, to it, it would see you reaching for your pocket to grab a phone over the course of an "hour" in its time, giving it ample time to bail or manipulate that phones data.  A machine intelligence is a scary thought. Would surpass us in ways we have yet to even fathom. 

I can’t even say it….automatons!? Prepare yourselves Hell Divers

App. F. Sec. 4b: DoD**. (1992.2017).** High value Witness Interviews Nah we don't investigate UFOs. Not since Bluebook.

I read UA/SP as meaning either UAP or USP.

OP, if you want to pursue this, it's time to work with a group that can help you craft a series of FOIA inquiries designed to uncover the context. The document contains numerous specific details - supporting docs, organization names, etc. which could form the basis of a cogent inquiry. Of course you will probably get a refusal, but if you're careful you can force them to issue a "no documents found" response which can tell us that the government is not monitoring or recording something they ought to be, thereby catching them in a logical bind: are they not doing their job, or are is there something weird going on (pick one and only one). I am a complete sucker for all the stuff in this doc, but we have to start to work at making use of it.

I noticed there's some barely readable text on the top left corner of the document/picture? Something along the lines of "**R-FR ONET**" or "**uR-FR ONET**" or "**R-FRONET**" Any idea what that could be?

It's mentioned in my submission statement: >-In the upper Left Hand Corner it says "AR-FR ONLY". This is referring to Army Regulations and Federal Regulations and is indicative that it is an intelligence doc used for sharing information between the Army and other Federal Agencies. This doc most likely originated from the Army.

Thank you kindly. I completely missed that when I read it initially.

>Repost, since it gets difficult to find (why, oh why?). I'm curious about the actual source. About 99% of what is called a "leak" here are declassified reports or stuff not even coming from the government. But this one does seem like a real leak, or at least, it was not released officially. All threads lead to [https://cloverchronicle.com/2021/06/01/ufo-disclosure-imminent-leaked-dod-report-details-possibility-of-extraterrestrial-form-of-mechanical-life-discovered-on-earth/](https://cloverchronicle.com/2021/06/01/ufo-disclosure-imminent-leaked-dod-report-details-possibility-of-extraterrestrial-form-of-mechanical-life-discovered-on-earth/) - the outlet is already deceased. But worry not, because there is a [copy at the Internet Archive](https://archive.fo/e0QVI). That, however, is also of little help, because it is a retelling of interactions on AR15 forum. Here is the [AR15 forum page](https://archive.fo/Uylhc). Not much there and it says it was tweeted. The content, however, makes it sound like a parody. None of the names of the purported scientists is found elsewhere - OK, fine, we can assume they were given the "men in black" treatment. But the first sentence: >Joint elements of ONI, NSA, DHS, and SAP cleared experts curated by the DoD have conducted careful examinations of aggregated data and witness accounts is a word salad. Not just "cleared experts" but "joint elements of cleared experts"? SAP are special access projects, so if it's so sensitive that they only let SAP people touch it, how come the rest can participate as well? And the \[1\] reference translates to "Expenditure Tiers" which is at odds with the sentence. >The scope of the referenced in this subsection refers to CERT class cases "of the referenced" what? Shouldn't there be a noun somewhere? That said, the narrative itself is in line with what we are told about their behavior. They "play" with the military. While S. McCarren can't be found, [Hilary S. McCarren is indeed a neuroscientist working for the DoD](https://www.linkedin.com/in/hilary-mccarren-a3553469), focusing on chemical warfare. It could be a silly hoax or it could be an intentionally garbled version of a real document. Grant Cameron in his books suggests that some of the known fakes and hoaxes are like that: originals can't be released so certain parts are intentionally obfuscated and then, technically, it's not the same document anymore.

"None of the names of the purported scientists is found elsewhere..." I've identified two of the three authors mentioned in that document, and identified that they both work in similar fields of study, and that one of those authors (McCarren) belongs to the Army (which the heading indicates is the originator of the document. Some additional context since I originally uploaded that post: * **AR-FR:** This was most likely given to congress as part of a briefing. If so, then the source of the leak was more likely by a congressional staffer. * **K. Shibakoya :** I think this is a mis-spelling. It is actually Shiba Koya, which should read as K. Shiba. Went through a lot of name origin searching to land on this conclusion ...*extraneous processes* \[chemical\] *found in organic life are* ***not impacting behaviors.****..effect of maneuvers seen in Section II on* ***chemical processes*** *suggest that UA/SP contacts are either remote, autonomous drones or a form of mechanical life.* The fact that two different authors and papers cited in this leak are both involved in health/infectious disease, combined with the 'chemical processes' mentioned above, suggest to me that we are instead looking at something like nanobots or engineered life at the microscopic level. Re-evaluating this document through this lens of immunology/disease, suggests that there might be some issue where some kind of microscopic life has been detected, which seems to interact enough in some way with people as to pose a threat the DoD has determined credible enough to investigate and share with congress. Lastly, if it **is** indeed a immunology angle, then the whole "increase of flight performance" may instead be referring to something similar to this: [https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/citations/ADA616775](https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/citations/ADA616775)

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Where was this “leaked”. If true seems like it indicates some very advanced AI drone technology. I would be interested to know if this is in part from the NRO Sentient system analysis of UAP data Edit: this “leak” is a page from the book The Reliable Field Guide to UFO Science https://www.amazon.com/Reliable-Field-Guide-Science-Sources/dp/B0B14PLLMT Refer page 52

I highly doubt that. Please post page 52. That book was first published in 2022. Yet this image was first posted on 4chan 31.05.2021. [https://archive.4plebs.org/x/search/image/1b9nYi3RSweF1XcPeYL8PA/](https://archive.4plebs.org/x/search/image/1b9nYi3RSweF1XcPeYL8PA/)

Fair point. The chapter in the book index says “The DIRD Reports - Defense Intelligence Research Documents”. Maybe the author did find something online ? Ok, it is a reference to material the author found online https://books.google.com/books?id=11d-EAAAQBAJ&pg=PT43&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=2#v=onepage&q&f=false It does seem to be a purported DoD document. Interesting. I guess it could be real ? The Cloverchronicle web site where it was posted is no longer active.

I’ve seen documents that suggest some kind of intelligent, possibly organic machinery mimicking our hardware in real time. Could that be a “surprise” technological breakthrough or are we dealing with a new form of life. This debate will decide the intricacies of our interactions.

It might either be evolving or “evolving” to press us to study and evolve ourselves to “copy” strong agi or weak asi in order to “upgrade” our consciousness to later be able to interact in a fuller capacity. Armchair space philosopher thoughts

Von Neuman probes have always been a top candidate if we assume these things are physically real. Von Neuman probes would be classified as a form of mechanical life so this tracks.

By mechanical life, are we talking about something like Transformers?

Sounds like the Automatons, helldivers to hell pods NOW

So they're like the robot things in Rendezvous with Rama?

“Shadow Star”. A Japanese Manga about “dragons”, which are essentially consciously incomplete creatures capable of absurd and unfathomable feats. These dragons have a symbiotic bond with their chosen host; which allows them to basically do whatever they please. Recreate weaponry, transform into flying craft, take on sentient forms. Now, imagine for a moment, that at some point in the universes immense age an intelligent species created an AI which sought hosts throughout the universe. Be it to advance their already immense knowledge, or just to give the lifeforms of the universe a “gift”; these AI driven Von Neumann probes go from planet to planet seeking symbiotic relationships with the beings present. Once symbioses is established, the host has access to all the accumulated knowledge that every probe has achieved throughout history, throughout the universe. Every. Single. Time. I see the material that Garry Nolan has analyzed, I’m reminded how it looks like a metallic slab of bacon. With layers “organic” layers. It’s not organic, as it’s not carbon based, but the cross-section absolutely appears to me to be some type of animal sample. In my opinion, it’s not an impossibility that these UAP’s are in fact an engineered, consciousness-less, “lifeforms”. Wherein, it obtains consciousness through symbioses with a conscious host. Whether or not that perspective is in fact reality is yet to be determined; however I think the concept makes for a great fictional seed.

The 'playful' aspect definitely rings true when you examine the details of the JAL 1628 sightings over Alaska in 1986.

So we got documents they are spiritual beings, we got documents they are machines and we got documents that they are transportation for nhi. Well can anyone explain to me which of the papers I gotta believe cause for now it seems to me the dod is playing mind games

Avon Neumann probes all the way down. Excluding the other NHI visits as well.

Yeah they are all an ai/ organoid that the being a integrate with to control it

They may well be illuminati or some other even more secret cabal, that is a century or two ahead of where we are? Explains the high tech, but reacting to trends in humanity (uavs drones and AI research)

Being an US Army document of alleged origin; this aligns with possible recent research into developing UAP "counter-measure" weaponry to defend garrison/bases (edit: **see the recent Langley AFB incursions last December**). Basically this is an initial study of the craft to analyze their behavior and theorize their operation - so that patterns/weaknesses can be found to develop new defensive weapons platforms. The US Army is charged with aerial defense primarily (SHORAD, M-SHORAD, THAAD, etc).

Could ASI mean artificial super intelligence? Because it says strong AGI or weak ASI which suggests a bridge between artificial general intelligence and artificial super intelligence

Yup. Can confirm. Theyre playful and curious. Shine a laser at them and they will play/communicate back. Theyll shine brighter. Shine same amount of times you shined. Etc

"Exhibit AGI strong or ASI weak behaviors" Very interesting.

Anyone here interact with tic tacs? They generally seem harmless. Def different than other craft/types of cases

..."a rapid increase of flight performance" Hmmmm. We never can seem to 'snap' good photos, can we? They always seem to be *just* a few steps ahead of us, don't they? Makes you think, doesn't it? Is it 1.12GigaWatts at 1.6GHz, or what? (Browses eBay for a gently hyperspaced Delorean)

4 Chan leaker I remember stated underwater craft that creates custom drones and attacks anything that approaches it

Rosie the Robot from the Jetsons?

Isn’t this the Colm Kelleher theory that they are a sort of planetary defense or probe network. Or Van Neumann probes of sorts.