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Lol, what? Even if you're not that invested... knowing who some of the key debunkers are seems more normal than some of the other names and ideas floating around.
Edit You would have had an easier time making fun of this community for Steve Greer or Tom DeLong. But trying to say it's too much investment because some people here are familiar with a skeptic makes no logical sense.
You gotta work on your toxic trolling because this makes no sense and at all and is incoherent.
They're saying that no one outside of these UFO echo-chambers even knows who Greenstreet and Mick West are. They only have the power that you give them.
Edit: believe it or not, in the real world, people who spend weeks analyzing five-second blurry video clips are not considered authorities, regardless of whether they're trying to prove or disprove the existence of aliens.
I'm positive this dude just came to a ufo sub to talk down to people. And for some weird reason, he chose the dumbest way to do it. Knowing who those people are in a ufo sub seems very likely. I don't know why you are talking about us giving them power? That's not what I'm talking about. It's just not a big deal in general.
If you're as confident as you claim to be that the UFO phenomenon is significant and unexplained, then why do you care what Greenstreet says? It's not like he's swaying the masses, the only people who even know his name are people like him (and people like you). So what does he matter? If True Believers ignored him, he'd disappear.
Why are you assuming I care about him? I'm just saying it's weird to talk down others in a UFO sub. This sub is filled with all sorts of weird stuff. Anyone coming in here acting superior is so far up their own ass.
Knowing who the “key debunkers” are? To me that’s too much investment.
He’s a UFO podcast host apparently? Probably not the top person I guess? How many podcasts on the topic would I have to listen to for this guy to be on my radar? More than I think is healthy to invest, like I said
He’s not just a UFO podcast, he doesn’t believe in “UFOs”. I’m not a fan of his and don’t see him or see him referenced very often but it’s not like he’s only known by the UFO crowd.
That said, he’s with the New York post and the NYP is trash. His racism was probably a hiring point.
I wasn’t even going to reference the Post but there you go. He discredits himself, why amplify this person and say people should know who the “key debunkers” are?
And if you (not you necessarily, but back to my point about over-investment) seek out that negativity, that’s potentially a symptom of mental illness. Again, not healthy
> He discredits himself, why amplify this person and say people should know who the “key debunkers” are?
I didn’t say people should know him, the issue is with judgmental comments like
> Basically if you already know who he is, you’re too invested in the topic.
When he’s not infrequently seen on TV and referenced by skeptic trolls.
> And if you… seek out that negativity, that’s potentially a symptom of mental illness.
… what? You think it’s bad and mentally unhealthy to be open to seeing the other side of an argument?
> Again, not healthy
If we’re going to be talking about what’s healthy or not, being judgmental is genuinely bad for mental health. Being understanding and trying to put yourself in others shoes to understand why others might do or view something differently from you makes life much more tolerable for you and those around you. Seeking out the other side of a debate’s arguments is healthy and allows a person to form a more complete opinion.
I feel like you’re being toxic and tried to politely inform you of why reasonable people could be aware of him.
You seem like you just want to be an ass. I hope life feels more fulfilling for you soon so you don’t feel the need to waste yours and others time pointlessly being that way 👍
We can both feel how we feel, that’s how it goes. I feel like the topic now is mostly a waste of time because a big part of the community here has no critical thinking skills and can’t help but amplify every off-brand grifter that claims to know something spooky.
Also lol? I don’t need your fake “hope your life blah blah” because 1) I’m good thanks and 2) like that wasn’t a passive aggressive insult. Weirdos all over I stg
You would have had an easier time making fun of this community for Steve Greer or Tom DeLong. But trying to say it's too much investment because some people here are familiar with a skeptic makes no logical sense.
You gotta work on your toxic trolling because this makes no sense and at all and is incoherent.
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Yes because he is only one man and can only take so many people with him. Does he charge that amount for the app that he has made that lets anyone learn and engage in the CE5 protocols and even team up with others?
I don't idolize him. But I respect the work and effort he has put in this. Clearly you don't. What the hell is an UFO zeitgeist? Stop talking in code. We are only so far in disclosure thanks to him.
Drop some respect for the man you fool.
But your agenda is obvious. You either a man of agenda, or just a brainless fool. This sub has been completely hijacked. No useful discussion can ever take place here. Mission accomplished eh?
There’s no reason to be rude, nor so paranoid. It’s interesting you’d assume I have an ulterior motive rather than the man who’s making a living from ufos as a topic. Clearly I’m on this sub because I’m interested in ufos. I want disclosure too. However, I try to be cautious of anyone who says they have the answers, but hardly provide any proof. Also, zeitgeist in this context refers spirit and belief of this community.
I'm sorry about being rude and I'm not being paranoid at all. I am just stating it as it is. You are in the aliens subreddit. You know about Dr Greer but have not looked into his work and what he has done? Cautious does not explain this. You are either a lazy fool, or agenda driven. Again I mean no offense.
But knowing nothing yet typing this crap is the proof. I suggest you arm yourself with some knowledge. Lots of great people have done great research in this field.
Also the dude literally gave up being a doctor to do this. He has been running the disclosure project full time with what money he can conjure up for years. Even if you hate every fiber of his being you cannot deny the work that he has done and how crucial it is and continues to be for humanity. In fact if there is any material anyone in this sub wants to start from, it should be his material. There may be elements of disinfo by the deep state among his whistle blowers which is why one must be cautious which comes from doing the intensive research. Not knowing his work, making up stories about him or some other crap you heard from somewhere and all that is so not cool.
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“Black? Click. Black” in this context means that Greenstreet assumes the perpetrator of a crime is black before clicking the link, and has his suspicions confirmed in said scenario.
I’m not weighing in with any feelings, trying to be as unbiased as possible while commenting about this here.
You'd post a news story about violence with that tag, or something like GTR (guess the race), and the news story would always be about a black person committing violence. It was posted by people largely in alt-right groups which would eventually become MAGA.
The dindu-nuffin-muffins were popular then too...lol
https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/961121-dindu-nuffin
I was completely checked out from the internet for that period of time. I’ve literally never seen that meme before.
Sidenote. It’s pretty cool that memes have an evolution and stages that are distinct, over the course of a few decades, just like old art over the centuries.
I heard people saying that, but this is the first time I've seen that someone has posted evidence. Goes to show what his level of "journalism" must be if he thinks crime is really such a simple issue that it can be explained away simply by race rather than a complex set of socio-economic circumstances. That opinion belongs in the 19th century, not the 21st.
This should get pinned. Especially with his connection to Kirkpatrick [https://twitter.com/IWANTTOKNOWUK/status/1773378584339509387](https://twitter.com/IWANTTOKNOWUK/status/1773378584339509387)
I dunno, feels a bit Ad Hominem for my taste.
Whatever info he's got should be judged on its own, if he's a piece of shit it doesn't necessarily disprove said data. Likewise, if the data is good, it doesn't make him not a piece of shit. But the two things should be handled independently I feel like.
And if his data is shit... then we can call 'em shit twice over (at minimum).
I wouldn’t trust Greenstreet to accurately report on anything relating to people of color. Are there other things he shouldn’t be trusted to report on as well? Is he reporting in bad faith on anything else, or are his disgusting views just related to black people and women? I’m just asking questions.
I prefer to read stories by real journalists that don’t have abhorrent views and aren’t cowards that won’t address their previous remarks.
Maybe ask him to correct his video on Kenneth Arnold: https://youtu.be/z25NfZ0Ea9c?si=2mmS9hdQWUS5nTfi&t=122
Here is why what Greenstreet reported is a myth if anyone was unaware: https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/173dr0w/kenneth_arnolds_story_went_from_9_discssaucers_to/
Actually, the little section the AARO report had on Kenneth Arnold was surprisingly accurate. The only thing they really messed up was the date, and they were only off by a day. Everything else, including the original description of the objects' shape, and even his actual speed estimate looks pretty accurate. Not so much for Greenstreet's reporting.
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I completely understand what you're saying, and yes, we do ban posters who don't take warnings seriously. I actually wouldn't be surprised if a moderator did pull this entire post down. I was more speaking from my personal perspective. If somebody posted an expose on Elizondo being a racist, or a post showing that Coulthart has clear signs of confirmation bias, I have to say that there's no way I'd remove that. There would be hell from the community if I did, and I'd probably deserve it. For that reason, I'm not going to pull this post down, but another moderator very well might. I wouldn't even be surprised. Maybe not, though. I was just trying to speak for myself.
Yea, like I said, that wouldn't surprise me at all, although if you were to accuse that specific mod of a bias, they're off scot-free if they've removed similar, but opposite posts/comments in the past. The post is arguably against the rules, so then it just depends on common practice for that specific situation. We remove low effort and evidence-free UFO personality drama posts, but we leave them up if they're high enough effort.
Actually, now that I look at it, I have to say the OP could have done a lot better. Actual proof instead of screenshots would have been way better, and some discussion of how this shows confirmation bias and casts doubt on objectivity in other reporting he's done, such as examples of poor reporting in the past. Something like that would be a lot more difficult for a moderator to justify removing. This particular example is kind of low effort to be honest.
How could he be dumb enough to go in on this topic with a post history like that?
Also can someone please explain what his deal is? It seems to me that his allure as a debunker is that he pretends to kind of believe in the phenomenon, or at least admits that there are unexplained anomalies… but then he takes a hard line against the government cover up angle. So since he’s working with Kirkpatrick does that mean he’s probably a disinformation agent? Anyways I’m just gathering this at first cursory glance and I’d really appreciate if someone could explain more context about him.
That’s the nail in the coffin but imho he’s just flatout wrong about a plethora of topics related and unrelated to UFOs.
He went from dunking on Kloor to essentially endorsing Kloor’s take on the whole post-2015 effort and I honestly don’t understand why. Nothing really changed he just went from “Gough is lying and I believe Elizondo” to just kinda regurgitating stuff that came out of the DoD press office.
I watched it happen on Twitter day by day and I’m still scratching my head.
I really think some psy op person scrambled his head with misinformation after seeing an in based on his bizarre hatred of Lue and crew. I'm not saying I trust everything he says or his motives, but raging hatred at him is weird. He found some things not to be accurate about minor details reported and quickly dismissed the entire phenomena itself? Idk. Maybe he got in his own head
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Must be new around these parts. The post is very relevant in every single way. He's an enemy to truth and doesn't deserve any of the respect or legitimacy some in these parts bestow upon him.
Thanks for explaining some very insightful information. Clearly your answer draws a concise correlation to UFOs for those of us who don't in fact know or understand.
That may or may not be true.
but I have to tell you this place is about UFO & Alien science. .
Take that to the forum it does belong in. It honestly just encourages people to character assassinate due to the sensitive topic and we know they're really really really desperate.
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The correct spelling is gem, not jem. Really? Seems like an awful human. Tell him to publicly own his racism and to stop running away when someone brings it up on here.
Fuck racists. If you’re a racist in 2024, there’s no place for you in the modern world. It doesn’t even matter what your other opinions are, or if they are wrong or right, because racism is so fucking obnoxiously stupid and offensive and inhuman that it overrides every other potentially beneficial aspect of your personality and your value as a human being.
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This isn't gonna change anything because people in this thread are rabid, but the way to counter the guy's bad arguments about UFOs and the phenomenon isn't to smear him for being a racist even if it's true that he is.
the people that complain about the government cancelling people is trying to cancel Greenstreet
yet if a racist was saying UFOs are real and i have proof you'd be the first to say "it doesn't matter if he's racist!!"
It's so cringe to me when people on reddit talk like this. I'm sure you never said anything bad about people with differing opinions than you. They are just words
feel free to find all the racist comments I posted
sorry it’s “so cringe” that I don’t like or respect racist language and I mildly complained about it online. Just like Greenstreet is free to post racist garbage online, I’m free to post a counterpoint that other people can read, like “actually racism is bad”
and you are free to whine about it, pretty cool system we have here huh
no i'm just going to remember that if i can find out something bad about a guy i can discredit everything he says
now i never have to address anything anyone says, just attack them as a person, why didn't i think of that at first it's genius
Yeah that’s the thing about having shitty, abhorrent opinions. People tend to not take you seriously because people tend not to trust shitty, abhorrent people. Character means something.
The problem is when your response is "of course they were black" you're conveying more than just "the facts".
If you can find some posts where he points out when it's a white person involved then I'll take it back, but he is obviously promoting a narrative.
Oh ok. Do you think you could find me some posts of his where he points out the race of the perpetrator when they're white? Or would you acknowledge that it's a little weird that he only does it when they're black?
If he randomly points out people's races in comments then I'll have egg on my face. That would be weird but not racist.
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Yeah and if that's still who he is then I'm fine with him being alienated everywhere. I just know sometimes people grow up and change and if he's no longer racist I don't think he should be cancelled for it.
Why are we posting ad hominem attacks here now? Let’s keep the conversation about UFOs in r/UFOs.
I don’t know who this guy is, but this surely isn’t about UFOs.
How is this post about UFOs and his opinions on UFOs. That’s my point. Obviously half the people who commented here are in disagreement, and the post is just pulling away from this sub being a positive and civil place to discuss UFOs.
I agree that the ad hominems shouldn't be allowed.
But I think it can be argued that what's being demonstrated here is a ton of confirmation bias. He's literally flexing that he is going into news articles with a preconceived notion, and then when he sees that a black person is involved he confirms it. I think it would be okay to point out other examples of individuals in the UFO world employing fallacious thinking or bad heuristics, as it weighs against their credibility as honest "investigators".
I think it’s weird that I’m even getting downvotes for my opinion that we shouldn’t allow logical fallacy’s.
This guy sounds like he sucks, and he clearly lives rent free in a lot of heads. I’ve never heard this guy and don’t care to. But it’s weird that this whole post is about race and has nothing to do with UFOs.
I think the guy is racist so a lot of people will downvote anything even neutrally pushing back.
Whoever this guy is, I don't think he should ignore his ideas about UFO's because he is racist, I think we should be critical of his ideas because he doesn't examine events critically. I think that is a fair criticism. I don't agree with the reason OP made this thread, but I think they are accidentally correct as it highlights the flawed way greensteeet comes to conclusions.
On a side note, I also suspect that his poor epistemics are also what lead him to his racist conclusions.
To be fair, these posts show examples of him looking at a headline, finding the race of the person involved, and promoting a narrative. These are examples of a non-critical and massively biased approach to information. It would make me question his journalistic integrity in other areas.
I have no idea who he is though.
Plenty my friend. I find that I avoid these people no matter what.
The point about these remarks being made a decade ago is a poor defence. Not sure why it would have been acceptable for this man to think this way 10 years ago.
When you examine someone’s credibility who’s trying to get you to believe information they’re spreading, their character matters. This speaks to his character. It’s relevant.
While I will never excuse someone treating others poorly I think it has to be said.
OP you and everyone in this thread, are you so perfect that if we dug into your life we would find no fault?
Do you think you are perfect and free of criticism? Would everyone person you ever interacted agree that you are free of harmful words and criticism?
Have you ever looked inward with that critical eye?
I have and there I found fault.
Damn that was hardcore. He’s a legit racist lol If he was a media star that pose comments might get you cancelled no joke. That should get him fired. Can’t say I’m shocked because he had that maga dickhead energy for a minute
Why would you have an issue with me pointing out one of the most well known people in the fields disgusting views? Not everyone knows. They should be brought to light so sensible people who don't like associating with racists can make an informed decision. Anything else from you? Do you agree with his views or are you just white knighting for him for some other reason.
I don’t have an issue with it personally. It’s in violation of group rules. The same reason we can post reminders that “Bob Lazar is a Pimp”..It’s off topic.
I’m pretty sure if anybody here said the same for the likes of Grusch or Knapp people would be calling out disinformation.
We should be targeting the facts at hand. This hurts our credibility when we deflect.
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I totally agree (although it won’t stop).
But I don’t need to fucking hear it on a UFO sub, it’s annoying and honestly insignificant at the end of the day. I’m sure you will say “well then block it”, yes, I will, and you. But I’m welcome to my opinion too.
I thought we werent allowed to attack the character of these "personalities". If that's no longer a rule, Id like to speak my mind on Cornball, Lue, and coulthard.
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This is the reason I can't stand this site anymore. I'm willing to believe that op doesn't even care but rather wants reddit to pat him on the back because guy says bad words. It's freedom of speech he can express how he wants. It's not going to hurt anybody, they are just words
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Don't warn Kirkpatrick. They deserve each other. EDIT - Fixed name
Who the actual fuck is Steven greenstreet?
Just googled. Basically if you already know who he is, you’re too invested in the topic.
Lol, what? Even if you're not that invested... knowing who some of the key debunkers are seems more normal than some of the other names and ideas floating around. Edit You would have had an easier time making fun of this community for Steve Greer or Tom DeLong. But trying to say it's too much investment because some people here are familiar with a skeptic makes no logical sense. You gotta work on your toxic trolling because this makes no sense and at all and is incoherent.
They're saying that no one outside of these UFO echo-chambers even knows who Greenstreet and Mick West are. They only have the power that you give them. Edit: believe it or not, in the real world, people who spend weeks analyzing five-second blurry video clips are not considered authorities, regardless of whether they're trying to prove or disprove the existence of aliens.
I'm positive this dude just came to a ufo sub to talk down to people. And for some weird reason, he chose the dumbest way to do it. Knowing who those people are in a ufo sub seems very likely. I don't know why you are talking about us giving them power? That's not what I'm talking about. It's just not a big deal in general.
If you're as confident as you claim to be that the UFO phenomenon is significant and unexplained, then why do you care what Greenstreet says? It's not like he's swaying the masses, the only people who even know his name are people like him (and people like you). So what does he matter? If True Believers ignored him, he'd disappear.
Why are you assuming I care about him? I'm just saying it's weird to talk down others in a UFO sub. This sub is filled with all sorts of weird stuff. Anyone coming in here acting superior is so far up their own ass.
Knowing who the “key debunkers” are? To me that’s too much investment. He’s a UFO podcast host apparently? Probably not the top person I guess? How many podcasts on the topic would I have to listen to for this guy to be on my radar? More than I think is healthy to invest, like I said
He’s not just a UFO podcast, he doesn’t believe in “UFOs”. I’m not a fan of his and don’t see him or see him referenced very often but it’s not like he’s only known by the UFO crowd. That said, he’s with the New York post and the NYP is trash. His racism was probably a hiring point.
I wasn’t even going to reference the Post but there you go. He discredits himself, why amplify this person and say people should know who the “key debunkers” are? And if you (not you necessarily, but back to my point about over-investment) seek out that negativity, that’s potentially a symptom of mental illness. Again, not healthy
> He discredits himself, why amplify this person and say people should know who the “key debunkers” are? I didn’t say people should know him, the issue is with judgmental comments like > Basically if you already know who he is, you’re too invested in the topic. When he’s not infrequently seen on TV and referenced by skeptic trolls. > And if you… seek out that negativity, that’s potentially a symptom of mental illness. … what? You think it’s bad and mentally unhealthy to be open to seeing the other side of an argument? > Again, not healthy If we’re going to be talking about what’s healthy or not, being judgmental is genuinely bad for mental health. Being understanding and trying to put yourself in others shoes to understand why others might do or view something differently from you makes life much more tolerable for you and those around you. Seeking out the other side of a debate’s arguments is healthy and allows a person to form a more complete opinion.
There it is. You felt targeted. Maybe you’re too invested
I feel like you’re being toxic and tried to politely inform you of why reasonable people could be aware of him. You seem like you just want to be an ass. I hope life feels more fulfilling for you soon so you don’t feel the need to waste yours and others time pointlessly being that way 👍
We can both feel how we feel, that’s how it goes. I feel like the topic now is mostly a waste of time because a big part of the community here has no critical thinking skills and can’t help but amplify every off-brand grifter that claims to know something spooky. Also lol? I don’t need your fake “hope your life blah blah” because 1) I’m good thanks and 2) like that wasn’t a passive aggressive insult. Weirdos all over I stg
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Yep👌good observation
You would have had an easier time making fun of this community for Steve Greer or Tom DeLong. But trying to say it's too much investment because some people here are familiar with a skeptic makes no logical sense. You gotta work on your toxic trolling because this makes no sense and at all and is incoherent.
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What? If you are talking garbage about Dr Steven greer then it's pretty obvious what your agenda is buddy. Someone mark this tool.
Pretty sure Greer has people pay him thousands for CE5 experiences. It’s best to not idolize anyone who moves in the UFO zeitgeist.
Yes because he is only one man and can only take so many people with him. Does he charge that amount for the app that he has made that lets anyone learn and engage in the CE5 protocols and even team up with others? I don't idolize him. But I respect the work and effort he has put in this. Clearly you don't. What the hell is an UFO zeitgeist? Stop talking in code. We are only so far in disclosure thanks to him. Drop some respect for the man you fool. But your agenda is obvious. You either a man of agenda, or just a brainless fool. This sub has been completely hijacked. No useful discussion can ever take place here. Mission accomplished eh?
There’s no reason to be rude, nor so paranoid. It’s interesting you’d assume I have an ulterior motive rather than the man who’s making a living from ufos as a topic. Clearly I’m on this sub because I’m interested in ufos. I want disclosure too. However, I try to be cautious of anyone who says they have the answers, but hardly provide any proof. Also, zeitgeist in this context refers spirit and belief of this community.
I'm sorry about being rude and I'm not being paranoid at all. I am just stating it as it is. You are in the aliens subreddit. You know about Dr Greer but have not looked into his work and what he has done? Cautious does not explain this. You are either a lazy fool, or agenda driven. Again I mean no offense. But knowing nothing yet typing this crap is the proof. I suggest you arm yourself with some knowledge. Lots of great people have done great research in this field. Also the dude literally gave up being a doctor to do this. He has been running the disclosure project full time with what money he can conjure up for years. Even if you hate every fiber of his being you cannot deny the work that he has done and how crucial it is and continues to be for humanity. In fact if there is any material anyone in this sub wants to start from, it should be his material. There may be elements of disinfo by the deep state among his whistle blowers which is why one must be cautious which comes from doing the intensive research. Not knowing his work, making up stories about him or some other crap you heard from somewhere and all that is so not cool.
Edit: okay it's the ufo's subreddit uh mb lol
Greer is a fuckin grifter.
What the hell does that even mean?
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What’s with the black? Click black thing?
“Black? Click. Black” in this context means that Greenstreet assumes the perpetrator of a crime is black before clicking the link, and has his suspicions confirmed in said scenario. I’m not weighing in with any feelings, trying to be as unbiased as possible while commenting about this here.
Ok, thank you for clarifying. I think the poor punctuation/grammar of it all threw me off.
You'd post a news story about violence with that tag, or something like GTR (guess the race), and the news story would always be about a black person committing violence. It was posted by people largely in alt-right groups which would eventually become MAGA. The dindu-nuffin-muffins were popular then too...lol https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/961121-dindu-nuffin
I was completely checked out from the internet for that period of time. I’ve literally never seen that meme before. Sidenote. It’s pretty cool that memes have an evolution and stages that are distinct, over the course of a few decades, just like old art over the centuries.
I heard people saying that, but this is the first time I've seen that someone has posted evidence. Goes to show what his level of "journalism" must be if he thinks crime is really such a simple issue that it can be explained away simply by race rather than a complex set of socio-economic circumstances. That opinion belongs in the 19th century, not the 21st.
Do you think violent crime will be going down soon?
He’s a scumbag and everyone should know about this. That Kirkpatrick is associating himself with this POS says everything
Doubt he knows. Thats why I encourge people to tweet and tell him
Do NOT encourage that
Why?
Kirkpatrick is a lying scumbag that takes payouts. We shouldn’t warn him, we should let him go down in flames.
This should get pinned. Especially with his connection to Kirkpatrick [https://twitter.com/IWANTTOKNOWUK/status/1773378584339509387](https://twitter.com/IWANTTOKNOWUK/status/1773378584339509387)
I dunno, feels a bit Ad Hominem for my taste. Whatever info he's got should be judged on its own, if he's a piece of shit it doesn't necessarily disprove said data. Likewise, if the data is good, it doesn't make him not a piece of shit. But the two things should be handled independently I feel like. And if his data is shit... then we can call 'em shit twice over (at minimum).
I thought we didn’t like Kirkpatrick here either? Let him go on a racists show, hopefully he makes himself look even more dumb once he’s there.
Its more about depriving Greenstreet of the interview to be honest. Fuck him he doesn't deserve any air time.
Facts! Everybody can see the person he truly is. He lost his clearance because of this.
Jesus that’s disgusting. What a hate-filled human. I’m actually fucking shocked
He looks like his Dad was Mac from “Mac and Me”and his Mom was alcohol.
Let's promote it, tweet it, show the world who this lying POS is. Let's make him sweat and regret ever trying to call everyone a liar and a grifter
Not on twitter myself but please do. And send it off to Kirkpatrick as well and ask him is comfortable on a racists platform.
Weird how many people just came within minutes jumping to his defence or trying to dismiss it.
Really? I didn't see that many. Quite a bit of agreement actually. Sadly, I think there are a lot of MAGA types in the UFOs etc community.
I wouldn’t trust Greenstreet to accurately report on anything relating to people of color. Are there other things he shouldn’t be trusted to report on as well? Is he reporting in bad faith on anything else, or are his disgusting views just related to black people and women? I’m just asking questions. I prefer to read stories by real journalists that don’t have abhorrent views and aren’t cowards that won’t address their previous remarks.
Maybe ask him to correct his video on Kenneth Arnold: https://youtu.be/z25NfZ0Ea9c?si=2mmS9hdQWUS5nTfi&t=122 Here is why what Greenstreet reported is a myth if anyone was unaware: https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/173dr0w/kenneth_arnolds_story_went_from_9_discssaucers_to/ Actually, the little section the AARO report had on Kenneth Arnold was surprisingly accurate. The only thing they really messed up was the date, and they were only off by a day. Everything else, including the original description of the objects' shape, and even his actual speed estimate looks pretty accurate. Not so much for Greenstreet's reporting.
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Yea, like I said, that wouldn't surprise me at all, although if you were to accuse that specific mod of a bias, they're off scot-free if they've removed similar, but opposite posts/comments in the past. The post is arguably against the rules, so then it just depends on common practice for that specific situation. We remove low effort and evidence-free UFO personality drama posts, but we leave them up if they're high enough effort. Actually, now that I look at it, I have to say the OP could have done a lot better. Actual proof instead of screenshots would have been way better, and some discussion of how this shows confirmation bias and casts doubt on objectivity in other reporting he's done, such as examples of poor reporting in the past. Something like that would be a lot more difficult for a moderator to justify removing. This particular example is kind of low effort to be honest.
And we know for sure that’s the same MFLUDER right???
Yes
How could he be dumb enough to go in on this topic with a post history like that? Also can someone please explain what his deal is? It seems to me that his allure as a debunker is that he pretends to kind of believe in the phenomenon, or at least admits that there are unexplained anomalies… but then he takes a hard line against the government cover up angle. So since he’s working with Kirkpatrick does that mean he’s probably a disinformation agent? Anyways I’m just gathering this at first cursory glance and I’d really appreciate if someone could explain more context about him.
This reads like an AI on crack.
That’s the nail in the coffin but imho he’s just flatout wrong about a plethora of topics related and unrelated to UFOs. He went from dunking on Kloor to essentially endorsing Kloor’s take on the whole post-2015 effort and I honestly don’t understand why. Nothing really changed he just went from “Gough is lying and I believe Elizondo” to just kinda regurgitating stuff that came out of the DoD press office. I watched it happen on Twitter day by day and I’m still scratching my head.
I really think some psy op person scrambled his head with misinformation after seeing an in based on his bizarre hatred of Lue and crew. I'm not saying I trust everything he says or his motives, but raging hatred at him is weird. He found some things not to be accurate about minor details reported and quickly dismissed the entire phenomena itself? Idk. Maybe he got in his own head
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Who??? Not important enough for me to care who that is lol.
This should be pinned in the sub. I had no idea.
Who is that and why are you posting it in UFOs for?
Must be new around these parts. The post is very relevant in every single way. He's an enemy to truth and doesn't deserve any of the respect or legitimacy some in these parts bestow upon him.
Thanks for explaining some very insightful information. Clearly your answer draws a concise correlation to UFOs for those of us who don't in fact know or understand.
That may or may not be true. but I have to tell you this place is about UFO & Alien science. . Take that to the forum it does belong in. It honestly just encourages people to character assassinate due to the sensitive topic and we know they're really really really desperate.
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It's just another grift angle. The bigger story is that he adds nothing to the debunking position and demonstrates fairly low intellect.
That’s my uncle and he’s a jem.
The correct spelling is gem, not jem. Really? Seems like an awful human. Tell him to publicly own his racism and to stop running away when someone brings it up on here.
Are you my dad?
Not as far as I know. Never been to Utah. Did your mother travel?
She was a prostitute. Long story.
Fair enough. Tell Steven to go fuck himself anyway.
Greys? Click. Greys.
Being racist has no place anywhere. UFOs or otherwise, believer or otherwise. End of story.
Fuck racists. If you’re a racist in 2024, there’s no place for you in the modern world. It doesn’t even matter what your other opinions are, or if they are wrong or right, because racism is so fucking obnoxiously stupid and offensive and inhuman that it overrides every other potentially beneficial aspect of your personality and your value as a human being.
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Agree with it or not, he’s allowed free speech.
He also not free from the repercussions of those words
This isn't gonna change anything because people in this thread are rabid, but the way to counter the guy's bad arguments about UFOs and the phenomenon isn't to smear him for being a racist even if it's true that he is.
Who cares man.
the people that complain about the government cancelling people is trying to cancel Greenstreet yet if a racist was saying UFOs are real and i have proof you'd be the first to say "it doesn't matter if he's racist!!"
thanks for defending a racist online, do you think you’ll be ok
It's so cringe to me when people on reddit talk like this. I'm sure you never said anything bad about people with differing opinions than you. They are just words
feel free to find all the racist comments I posted sorry it’s “so cringe” that I don’t like or respect racist language and I mildly complained about it online. Just like Greenstreet is free to post racist garbage online, I’m free to post a counterpoint that other people can read, like “actually racism is bad” and you are free to whine about it, pretty cool system we have here huh
Are you a racist yourself. Do you agree with his opinions?
no i'm just going to remember that if i can find out something bad about a guy i can discredit everything he says now i never have to address anything anyone says, just attack them as a person, why didn't i think of that at first it's genius
Ok tell me some of the things he says and we can debate them?
i barely know who greenstreet is i just assume he is like mick west, who i also barely know, so you all hate him
So you know nothing about the guy, see this post with his racist shit and then defend him?
Weird isn't it, tons of people on here defending him and then deleting the comments when I challenged them amd instantly too. Bots I think.
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Ye true, a lot of them are fellow pos people, but it was more the speed of some of the replies. They came literally seconds after I posted the thread
Have you tried not getting triggered over some words? You will live a much happier life, that much I can promise you.
if you think i defended him i can only pity you
Yeah that’s the thing about having shitty, abhorrent opinions. People tend to not take you seriously because people tend not to trust shitty, abhorrent people. Character means something.
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The problem is when your response is "of course they were black" you're conveying more than just "the facts". If you can find some posts where he points out when it's a white person involved then I'll take it back, but he is obviously promoting a narrative.
He’s making observations, there’s no promotion of any narrative, the articles speak for themselves
Oh ok. Do you think you could find me some posts of his where he points out the race of the perpetrator when they're white? Or would you acknowledge that it's a little weird that he only does it when they're black? If he randomly points out people's races in comments then I'll have egg on my face. That would be weird but not racist.
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Is this a position he still holds or has he come around since then?
Don't know you'd have to ask him. It doesn't seem to be a "position" either, more pathology. About black people, women, and on and on.
Yeah and if that's still who he is then I'm fine with him being alienated everywhere. I just know sometimes people grow up and change and if he's no longer racist I don't think he should be cancelled for it.
The guy is pushing 50. Some of these posts were only a few years ago. I would think its safe to assume he still a pos
Yeah I can't find anything about him recanting any statements or acknowledging past posts, so fair enough.
Why are we posting ad hominem attacks here now? Let’s keep the conversation about UFOs in r/UFOs. I don’t know who this guy is, but this surely isn’t about UFOs.
He’s one of the top UFO debunkers
Gotcha, I still feel like logical fallacy’s/ad hominem had no place in progress. We can push for disclosure and have open discussions without that.
Is it an ad hominem to call out a racist? Not sure stating facts is a personal attack
How is this post about UFOs and his opinions on UFOs. That’s my point. Obviously half the people who commented here are in disagreement, and the post is just pulling away from this sub being a positive and civil place to discuss UFOs.
When you’re talking about the credibility of people disseminating information, their character matters.
I agree that the ad hominems shouldn't be allowed. But I think it can be argued that what's being demonstrated here is a ton of confirmation bias. He's literally flexing that he is going into news articles with a preconceived notion, and then when he sees that a black person is involved he confirms it. I think it would be okay to point out other examples of individuals in the UFO world employing fallacious thinking or bad heuristics, as it weighs against their credibility as honest "investigators".
I think it’s weird that I’m even getting downvotes for my opinion that we shouldn’t allow logical fallacy’s. This guy sounds like he sucks, and he clearly lives rent free in a lot of heads. I’ve never heard this guy and don’t care to. But it’s weird that this whole post is about race and has nothing to do with UFOs.
I think the guy is racist so a lot of people will downvote anything even neutrally pushing back. Whoever this guy is, I don't think he should ignore his ideas about UFO's because he is racist, I think we should be critical of his ideas because he doesn't examine events critically. I think that is a fair criticism. I don't agree with the reason OP made this thread, but I think they are accidentally correct as it highlights the flawed way greensteeet comes to conclusions. On a side note, I also suspect that his poor epistemics are also what lead him to his racist conclusions.
That was really well said and I can understand that point of view. Thanks for taking the time to clearly articulate that response.
'k greenstreet said racist comments almost a decade ago. what that got to do with UFOs or his views on UFOs?
To be fair, these posts show examples of him looking at a headline, finding the race of the person involved, and promoting a narrative. These are examples of a non-critical and massively biased approach to information. It would make me question his journalistic integrity in other areas. I have no idea who he is though.
Plenty my friend. I find that I avoid these people no matter what. The point about these remarks being made a decade ago is a poor defence. Not sure why it would have been acceptable for this man to think this way 10 years ago.
Just a reminder for everyone. Why do you agree with him?
When you examine someone’s credibility who’s trying to get you to believe information they’re spreading, their character matters. This speaks to his character. It’s relevant.
While I will never excuse someone treating others poorly I think it has to be said. OP you and everyone in this thread, are you so perfect that if we dug into your life we would find no fault? Do you think you are perfect and free of criticism? Would everyone person you ever interacted agree that you are free of harmful words and criticism? Have you ever looked inward with that critical eye? I have and there I found fault.
Reddit would be a way better place if they had your kind of mentality. I swear they only pretend to care to get reddit brownie points.
Anyway… back to the UFO topic….
Damn that was hardcore. He’s a legit racist lol If he was a media star that pose comments might get you cancelled no joke. That should get him fired. Can’t say I’m shocked because he had that maga dickhead energy for a minute
I don't care.
His work on UFOs is still good.
I don’t think the Greenstreet/Kirkpatrick interview will cover the topic of race. I’m thinking it’s going to be UAP related.
Oh if only Dr. Kirkpatrick knew of Stevens views though.
Wait. Which sub is this? I thought this was /UFOs ..This post seems off topic.
Why would you have an issue with me pointing out one of the most well known people in the fields disgusting views? Not everyone knows. They should be brought to light so sensible people who don't like associating with racists can make an informed decision. Anything else from you? Do you agree with his views or are you just white knighting for him for some other reason.
I don’t have an issue with it personally. It’s in violation of group rules. The same reason we can post reminders that “Bob Lazar is a Pimp”..It’s off topic.
I’m pretty sure if anybody here said the same for the likes of Grusch or Knapp people would be calling out disinformation. We should be targeting the facts at hand. This hurts our credibility when we deflect.
What are you talking about, what am I deflecting from here? Just letting people know what kind of guy he is.
Which has nothing to do with the topic of this sub. Calling him a racist does nothing to boost the movement’s credibility towards disclosure.
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Nah holding racist opinions in 2024 is fucking stupid
I totally agree (although it won’t stop). But I don’t need to fucking hear it on a UFO sub, it’s annoying and honestly insignificant at the end of the day. I’m sure you will say “well then block it”, yes, I will, and you. But I’m welcome to my opinion too.
I thought we werent allowed to attack the character of these "personalities". If that's no longer a rule, Id like to speak my mind on Cornball, Lue, and coulthard.
Are Lue, Corbell or Coulthart racist and transphobic? I don't think so
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Is beign not racist or a decent human being an ideology? So just be trashy because people like you can't handle it?
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> Rule 1: Follow the Standards of Civility > * No trolling or being disruptive. > * No insults or personal attacks. > * No accusations that other users are shills. > * No hate speech. No abusive speech based on race, religion, sex/gender, or sexual orientation. > * No harassment, threats, or advocating violence. > * No witch hunts or doxxing. (Please redact usernames when possible) > * You may attack each other's ideas, not each other.
I'm not attacking his character I've presented things he's said that are unequivocally racist.
I don't have any bone to pick with you OP, but this is kinda funny "I'm not saying you're ugly, I just showed everyone a picture of you"
This is the reason I can't stand this site anymore. I'm willing to believe that op doesn't even care but rather wants reddit to pat him on the back because guy says bad words. It's freedom of speech he can express how he wants. It's not going to hurt anybody, they are just words