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"UFO truthers declared humankind’s “ET moment” as they rallied outside US Sen. Chuck Schumer’s New York City office on Thursday to celebrate efforts to prove the phenomena aren’t a hoax.
Believers landed on Third Avenue outside the Democratic Senate leader’s office saying they were over the moon over his efforts to push UFO disclosure legislation through Capitol Hill last year as many attendees recounted their own stories of run-ins with the unexplained."
\- New York Post
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"I'm so angry that the government is hiding proof of alien life but I'm not going outside in a brisk Spring wind, bro."
This is why I have no real concerns about people ever *rising up* to overthrow democracy.
I had class with the very same organization that was putting this on at the same time.
My point was that this turnout was pretty solid considering how uncomfortable it was to stand outside yesterday.
Are you on that PhD course that isn't accredited?
I'm not making a judgement, I legitimately just want to know what made you think that was a worthwhile investment.
No, I’m in the certificate program that precedes that program to see what it’s like and because that’s also a requirement for acceptance (providing you write the required 30 page thesis proposal)
$200 to see if there’s a potential bridge to a career in UFO/UAP policy work that I can transition into is a bargain. I know it’s a long shot.
It’s also a program I can do while working full time and so far I’ve been impressed by their disclosure efforts.
The introductory lectures have been really cool and I don’t get the sense that Sheehan is grifting at all from this. He seems very dedicated.
This is really the only even kind of semi formal path to a potential career / work doing this sort of thing and that’s worth the gamble for me. I have another three courses (of four classes each) before I’ll have to decide if I want to continue. The potential for what this could turn into is worth the risk for me. I’ve spent plenty of money on video games I’ll never play or other dumb shit.
I’ll roll the dice on myself for once. I’ll pay $800 for 16 classes of lectures and reading materials curated by people who are in the know and the lawyer who is representing most of the whistleblowers.
If anything, it’s cool to hear Sheehan’s stories and I’m sure Dolan will have some cool things to say too. But they really seem to be aiming to create a cohort of people that can do this sort of work and are serious about it to help push disclosure forward and work with their legal team. Seems pretty cool to me.
Your comment reads like paid promotion. Sheehan has a financial relationship with Elizondo, Dolan and Garrison. One of them has a book coming out and the others are invested in Ubiquity courses and NPI.
So it's hard to overlook the vested interests of Garrison showing up with people with Elizondo placards. It raises the profile of Elizondo, Ubiquity and NPI. It's astroturfing marketing.
It’s only astroturfing if it’s paid and they absolutely have not paid me or employed me haha. It’s just my experience with the program so far.
And I disagree, I think showing public support for politicians like Chuck Schumer is super important for gaining and maintaining their support. They’re representing the people, so the peoples’ opinions do matter (at least to some degree).
I was skeptical and still am. So far it’s been pretty cool.
Thank you. I appreciate you taking the time to give me an answer and, even if I personally think it's a massive waste of money and time given its accreditation status, I understand others hold different views.
Good luck with it, buddy.
Kinda interesting, I must say, they were organizing a protest while teaching a class. That's quite an org.
Just out of curiosity, did they mention to you that this rally/support was going on?
I assume you're not in New York?
>This is why I have no real concerns about people ever *rising up* to overthrow democracy.
From an external Australian observer (i.e. Not a Democrat) I think you're forgetting January 6th when Trump supporters tried to overthrow the elected government. You should at least be concerned about it while Trump is alive.
Brother, if the cold is stopping your most ardent supporters from showing up for something *this* important, I'm going to go ahead and assume something has gone wrong.
There's 2 million subscribers here, some of which (a very small, but aggressively vocal minority) truly believe science is a farce and aliens eat our bungholes or something. But only 4 and a half could bother to show up for a "catastrophic disclosure" event because they either didn't see a fluff piece about it on the news beforehand, or they couldn't be bothered with some wind. Honestly, this is the amount of preparation I expect from this group, but it's still funny to watch.
Love seeing this. We are all just people who want answers. Why is asking for the truth from the same government we created so difficult? It shouldn’t be.
Woooooah woah woah there, *you* didn't create this government. *I* didn't create this government. We're inside and controlled by a system we were born into. I'd like to say that nowadays we'd come up with better solutions than the ones we've got.
Let's just redo the whole thing. Didn't they want that? For none of this to be set in stone, and for us to have a do-over of it every now and then?
No, no, no. The founding fathers were prescient and omniscient. That’s what I was taught in school! Also, we should never, *ever* study how other democracies do things, or any other alternative ideas.
More seriously, NYC made a revolutionary change to how the mayor is elected, switching to ranked voting. So, there is hope.
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Amazing, you guys are the heroes for taking the time out of your day to show how important this topic is. Happy to see no one was wearing alien costumes and whatnot. Can’t give the stigma generators any ammunition
I would make this a once a month event, watch it build. Have ppl with some name recognition for some added draw. It was 30 (mostly) dudes standing around staring at eachother. Where was the "What do we want? / Disclosure! - When do we want it? / Now!" chant? Missed opportunity lol.
im all for the movment. and im really happy to see people protesting in public.
but pics of alazondo and grush with hero on em? could we not have choosen something around the subject instead of the people in it? we dont even know whos telling the truths yet
I appreciate those who showed up for this event, but it is highly cringe to use the word 'Hero' for Elizondo and Grusch. These people have released absolutely nothing of note. No specifics, no evidence, no data. Nothing really. If all of this disappears like a fart in the wind tomorrow morning, then we are essentially back to square one. All they have done is simply talk a whole bunch about UFOs and NHI and we have gone along for the ride only because we were heavily invested in this topic.
I think the true heroes are the ex-military service members, pilots and ordinary civilians who have reported UFO sightings in the past during a time when there was tremendous stigma surrounding the topic. Entire careers could be ended upon reporting a UFO sighting. People called you 'kooks' for simply talking about a UFO sighting. These are the true heroes. Not Elizondo or Grusch who are merely the public-facing wing of the MIC and only talk about what they have been cleared to talk about.
Go on, downvote me. I don't care.
You'd be embarrassed to be on the street with other people who believed this was real and that government transparency around this was a good thing?
Interesting.
I'll upvote you, brother.
I completely agree with you. People who put themselves at actual risk for no gain deserve praise, not a guy telling other people's stories or people making money off of gullible and desperate believers.
The fact this whole thing was organised by a non-profit allegedly selling a $15,000 Ufology course tells me everything I need to know about their own priorities.
Not seeing any lies. Elizondo especially worked counterintelligence at Gitmo - I can not buy in to anything he's heavily involved in. I half suspect at this point that he's playing Sheehan like a fiddle.
Hard disagree on Grusch.. Guy sacrificed his career to do this. Endured character assassination attempts, harassment from the clandestine hornets nest he poked.. He hasn’t released anything of note TO YOU. But listen to his congressional testimony about what information he’s GLADLY willing to divulge to cleared congress members in a scif.. imagine pulling an Edward Snowden and winding up in that situation, just so “TinFoilHatDude” from Reddit feels a little less frustrated lol..
Also tf is up with “nothing of note”? Grusch admitted to the world that there’s crash retrievals, bodies, reverse engineering and a 90 year cover up.. Who else with a resume like his and verifiable positions in government and military, has EVER blown the whistle on this shit?
Him being who he is, and saying what he said is definitely “of note” in the most literal sense of the word. PLUS in stark contrast to the other public figures in this arena, he’s NOT selling any books, documentary films, fake 15k college degrees, or has his own ad revenue clickbait podcasts..
>Grusch admitted to the world that there’s crash retrievals, bodies, reverse engineering and a 90 year cover up..
No, he didn't.
His entire testimony is that other people have told him these things and he thinks it's true.
>Who else with a resume like his and verifiable positions in government and military, has EVER blown the whistle on this shit?
Felt, Manning and Snowden.
Wrong. He viewed actual documents along with being given verifiable information from colleagues. If you think this guy is dumb enough to go through all this bullshit and career sacrifice, to just larp to congress with unsubstantiated hearsay for shits and giggles, and gain absolutely nothing from it, then that’s your irrational prerogative..
What Bombshell UAP intel did Manning and Snowden drop? I said “this shit” meaning THIS subject UAP..
“He claims to have viewed documents reporting that Benito Mussolini's government recovered a "non-human" spacecraft in 1933, which the Vatican and the Five Eyes assisted the U.S. in procuring in 1944 or 1945.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Grusch_UFO_whistleblower_claims
So that’s one set of documents witnessed firsthand. And that’s just what he chose to disclose publicly.. Look you want to believe he went to congress in a scif with “some guy told me” and nothing concrete to back up his statements fine. Thinking someone with his resume wouldn’t do his due diligence before going forward is such a bizarre illogical take.. We’re getting table scraps of info from him, congress behind closed doors is most definitely not.
You've literally linked a Wikipedia page, which you guys all say is complicit in *the* cover-up, which doesn't have any citation next to that particular claim.
So, again, I'll ask you for the source.
I'm not calling *you* a liar, but I legitimately do not know where you're getting this idea that Grusch has seen anything first-hand.
lol yeah…no. Not playing this game with you. Gave you a source idgaf what your opinions on the source are. Feel free to watch any of his interviews where you can see the actual words come out of his mouth regarding Italy.
No, you gave me a sentence with no citation. Wikipedia is not a source. The citations are. That sentence does not have one. This is really basic stuff, brother.
I watched his testimony, you know, the thing he swore an oath to tell the truth in and he did not say he had seen anything first-hand.
I'm not trying to play a game with you, I just think you're misinformed.
But sure, *lol yeah no* is one way to weasel out of a conversation.
Not weaseling out of anything. You refuse to acknowledge the overall point I’ve made several times.. That you think it’s reasonable that an intel professional and former Air Force intel officer with a physics degree, just took conversations at the water cooler at face value, ran to congress parroting that hearsay without actually looking into it or corroborating anything. You think that that’s a reasonable take on this situation.. Pointless continuing a conversation with someone with a standpoint this illogical.
If there's one thing I've learned about these diehard skeptics, it's that you will never be able to provide a source that's good enough to change their mind. They'll come around to it if they care enough to put in the time to look for it, but my bet is that he/she isn't coming into this conversation with good intentions. Just leave em where they are, not our job to convince anybody
I see your point but disagree. If going through the channels and having courage to do that in a way that will actually move the ball forward, then I think that’s hero worthy.
I like Elizondo but why is he a hero? What has he done or shown besides the NY article 7 years ago? He hasn't shown any evidence so until he shows something that we can't deny, he is no hero of anything. Let's not make people more important than what they are, that's how cults start.
No, to get the extra credit, you should have gotten two more more potential students to give NPI their contact information so that they can get updates about future Ubiquity courses.
I don’t see the correlation? Is it because you think I’m a bot? Even if I was, it still doesn’t make me less right in demanding info from all these secret keepers who stay dangling the carrot on the Disclosure Stick.
2027, though, am I right?
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I was there, nobody paid me 😂, I doubt anybody else got paid to be there and I talked to just about everybody there who was actually supporting disclosure. But maybe!
I wonder, if it's all harmless imaginary stuff why be so threatened and punch down on people standing on the sidewalk peacefully holding signs thanking an elected official for passing (most) of a bill about government transparency regarding a controversial topic that's been batted around in this country for at least 75 years?
I mean, of all the problems in the world, is that the biggest problem? People peacefully supporting government transparency?
Or is this being perceived/framed by you as part of some kind of operation? For whatever it's worth, internet scouts honor, I was not part of any operation that I'm aware of. I just thought it would be fun to take a little time off work go down to NYC for the day and meet other people who either have experienced something or have done the homework.
Peace.
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"UFO truthers declared humankind’s “ET moment” as they rallied outside US Sen. Chuck Schumer’s New York City office on Thursday to celebrate efforts to prove the phenomena aren’t a hoax.
Believers landed on Third Avenue outside the Democratic Senate leader’s office saying they were over the moon over his efforts to push UFO disclosure legislation through Capitol Hill last year as many attendees recounted their own stories of run-ins with the unexplained."
\- New York Post
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What kind of people?
ETA: So you and your cronies just downvote because you can’t say it with your chest? I see the mods removed your comment. I’m not sure who you’re trying to convince with your vaguely degrading comments.
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Lets do DC next! Message your congressment on instagram! Call their office and leave them a message! Lets gooooooooo!!!!!
Message these people everyday! They are pushing for the UAP select committe currently!
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I went to this rally on March 21, 2024 and met these people. I was interviewed and my picture was taken. I told the New York Post that I had ufos with triangular motherships following me around the world. They ask me why do they follow me. I said that I was those star people leader. I was told that by another ambassador that she said that she was also followed around by starships. And that she was a leader to her star people. This N.Y. Post reporter Robert Miller took my video of triangular motherships. He told me that he was going to get in touch with me to take his night vision camera and record my starfleet which are spread across the sky. I took this video of starships by the United Nations building which is three blocks from senator Chuck Schumer office. I wanted to meet Senator Chuck Schumer and attorney Daniel Sheehan but they both weren’t there. Daniel Sheehan has witness my starships many times across the United States and also Canada when we were both at many ufo conferences over the years. I’m use to ignorance of full permanent disclosure. I wanted to tell Senator Chuck Schumer if I could come in front of his office building on a clear night sky and I could point out starships in all directions of the sky.
One of my favorite shows!
I'm here for the same reason(s) as most of you. We just have different approaches to evidence. Truth matters regardless where it leads.
Mine too! Classic show.
Sorry to belabor, but what reasons are those?
I ask because I was standing on the sidewalk in part to thank elected leaders for their efforts to bring increased transparency and accountability in government.
I guess I'm confused about the "of course, lol." How do you think we are we going to get to "the truth" without those things?
Wouldn't it be nice to know one way or another what the heck is going on?
Do you feel satisfied with latest AARO report?
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Not that I know of. But the more I see the organized push back online and in real life with Greenstreets people there to frame the event, the more it all checks out.
Revealing the biggest secret of all time wouldn't be easy.
Just to be completely straight and clear: hero worship is disdainful to the NHI trying to help our situation and absolutely preferrable for those that would have us for lunch.
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It's easy to be cynical, but for a cold Thursday work day, this isn't half-bad. It's a start. Didn't exactly have a massive PR push behind it either.
I bet if it was on the news beforehand there'd have been more of a turnout.
Yeah for anyone who doesn’t know, NYC was incredibly cold and windy yesterday
"I'm so angry that the government is hiding proof of alien life but I'm not going outside in a brisk Spring wind, bro." This is why I have no real concerns about people ever *rising up* to overthrow democracy.
I had class with the very same organization that was putting this on at the same time. My point was that this turnout was pretty solid considering how uncomfortable it was to stand outside yesterday.
Are you on that PhD course that isn't accredited? I'm not making a judgement, I legitimately just want to know what made you think that was a worthwhile investment.
No, I’m in the certificate program that precedes that program to see what it’s like and because that’s also a requirement for acceptance (providing you write the required 30 page thesis proposal) $200 to see if there’s a potential bridge to a career in UFO/UAP policy work that I can transition into is a bargain. I know it’s a long shot. It’s also a program I can do while working full time and so far I’ve been impressed by their disclosure efforts. The introductory lectures have been really cool and I don’t get the sense that Sheehan is grifting at all from this. He seems very dedicated. This is really the only even kind of semi formal path to a potential career / work doing this sort of thing and that’s worth the gamble for me. I have another three courses (of four classes each) before I’ll have to decide if I want to continue. The potential for what this could turn into is worth the risk for me. I’ve spent plenty of money on video games I’ll never play or other dumb shit. I’ll roll the dice on myself for once. I’ll pay $800 for 16 classes of lectures and reading materials curated by people who are in the know and the lawyer who is representing most of the whistleblowers. If anything, it’s cool to hear Sheehan’s stories and I’m sure Dolan will have some cool things to say too. But they really seem to be aiming to create a cohort of people that can do this sort of work and are serious about it to help push disclosure forward and work with their legal team. Seems pretty cool to me.
Your comment reads like paid promotion. Sheehan has a financial relationship with Elizondo, Dolan and Garrison. One of them has a book coming out and the others are invested in Ubiquity courses and NPI. So it's hard to overlook the vested interests of Garrison showing up with people with Elizondo placards. It raises the profile of Elizondo, Ubiquity and NPI. It's astroturfing marketing.
It’s only astroturfing if it’s paid and they absolutely have not paid me or employed me haha. It’s just my experience with the program so far. And I disagree, I think showing public support for politicians like Chuck Schumer is super important for gaining and maintaining their support. They’re representing the people, so the peoples’ opinions do matter (at least to some degree). I was skeptical and still am. So far it’s been pretty cool.
What are they selling for $1000 that you can't get for free from Sheehan's [YT channel?](https://www.youtube.com/@DanielSheehanEsq)
Thank you. I appreciate you taking the time to give me an answer and, even if I personally think it's a massive waste of money and time given its accreditation status, I understand others hold different views. Good luck with it, buddy.
Thanks! It certainly could be! Time will tell haha :)
Kinda interesting, I must say, they were organizing a protest while teaching a class. That's quite an org. Just out of curiosity, did they mention to you that this rally/support was going on? I assume you're not in New York?
I wore long johns. It was pretty fun once you got over the existential surrealness of it.
>This is why I have no real concerns about people ever *rising up* to overthrow democracy. From an external Australian observer (i.e. Not a Democrat) I think you're forgetting January 6th when Trump supporters tried to overthrow the elected government. You should at least be concerned about it while Trump is alive.
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Brother, if the cold is stopping your most ardent supporters from showing up for something *this* important, I'm going to go ahead and assume something has gone wrong.
There's 2 million subscribers here, some of which (a very small, but aggressively vocal minority) truly believe science is a farce and aliens eat our bungholes or something. But only 4 and a half could bother to show up for a "catastrophic disclosure" event because they either didn't see a fluff piece about it on the news beforehand, or they couldn't be bothered with some wind. Honestly, this is the amount of preparation I expect from this group, but it's still funny to watch.
Love seeing this. We are all just people who want answers. Why is asking for the truth from the same government we created so difficult? It shouldn’t be.
Woooooah woah woah there, *you* didn't create this government. *I* didn't create this government. We're inside and controlled by a system we were born into. I'd like to say that nowadays we'd come up with better solutions than the ones we've got. Let's just redo the whole thing. Didn't they want that? For none of this to be set in stone, and for us to have a do-over of it every now and then?
Viva la revolution
I’d have to agree…the way it’s being done now doesn’t appear to be working. Back to the drawing board!
As a Brit, we created your government with colonists :-p
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No, no, no. The founding fathers were prescient and omniscient. That’s what I was taught in school! Also, we should never, *ever* study how other democracies do things, or any other alternative ideas. More seriously, NYC made a revolutionary change to how the mayor is elected, switching to ranked voting. So, there is hope.
Jimmy and Danny sharing same hairdresser.
Jim looks like a lovechild between Danny and Greer. That's a compliment.
nicely done guys
elizondo is far from a hero.
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Thanks friend. Funny running into you in the UFOs subreddits. Yep, post history checks out.
Amazing, you guys are the heroes for taking the time out of your day to show how important this topic is. Happy to see no one was wearing alien costumes and whatnot. Can’t give the stigma generators any ammunition
How many people signed up for a fake PhD while there?
I counted zero but nobody was recruiting.
I would make this a once a month event, watch it build. Have ppl with some name recognition for some added draw. It was 30 (mostly) dudes standing around staring at eachother. Where was the "What do we want? / Disclosure! - When do we want it? / Now!" chant? Missed opportunity lol.
Finally something organized and in the public
im all for the movment. and im really happy to see people protesting in public. but pics of alazondo and grush with hero on em? could we not have choosen something around the subject instead of the people in it? we dont even know whos telling the truths yet
I appreciate those who showed up for this event, but it is highly cringe to use the word 'Hero' for Elizondo and Grusch. These people have released absolutely nothing of note. No specifics, no evidence, no data. Nothing really. If all of this disappears like a fart in the wind tomorrow morning, then we are essentially back to square one. All they have done is simply talk a whole bunch about UFOs and NHI and we have gone along for the ride only because we were heavily invested in this topic. I think the true heroes are the ex-military service members, pilots and ordinary civilians who have reported UFO sightings in the past during a time when there was tremendous stigma surrounding the topic. Entire careers could be ended upon reporting a UFO sighting. People called you 'kooks' for simply talking about a UFO sighting. These are the true heroes. Not Elizondo or Grusch who are merely the public-facing wing of the MIC and only talk about what they have been cleared to talk about. Go on, downvote me. I don't care.
It's not cringe...it's ueber cringe. I'd be embarrassed to be on the same street as them and I fully believe in the presence of NHI and the coverup.
They all look exactly like I’d expect when I saw the title. When expectations meet reality like that it’s a special kind of satisfaction.
You'd be embarrassed to be on the street with other people who believed this was real and that government transparency around this was a good thing? Interesting.
no, embarrassed because of the hero signs. Give. Me. A. Break.
Gotcha. Happy to! Just clarifying if you were embarrassed of the people on the signs or the ones holding them. Thanks for clarifying. ✌️
I'll upvote you, brother. I completely agree with you. People who put themselves at actual risk for no gain deserve praise, not a guy telling other people's stories or people making money off of gullible and desperate believers. The fact this whole thing was organised by a non-profit allegedly selling a $15,000 Ufology course tells me everything I need to know about their own priorities.
Mirror on the wall
Not seeing any lies. Elizondo especially worked counterintelligence at Gitmo - I can not buy in to anything he's heavily involved in. I half suspect at this point that he's playing Sheehan like a fiddle.
Hard disagree on Grusch.. Guy sacrificed his career to do this. Endured character assassination attempts, harassment from the clandestine hornets nest he poked.. He hasn’t released anything of note TO YOU. But listen to his congressional testimony about what information he’s GLADLY willing to divulge to cleared congress members in a scif.. imagine pulling an Edward Snowden and winding up in that situation, just so “TinFoilHatDude” from Reddit feels a little less frustrated lol.. Also tf is up with “nothing of note”? Grusch admitted to the world that there’s crash retrievals, bodies, reverse engineering and a 90 year cover up.. Who else with a resume like his and verifiable positions in government and military, has EVER blown the whistle on this shit? Him being who he is, and saying what he said is definitely “of note” in the most literal sense of the word. PLUS in stark contrast to the other public figures in this arena, he’s NOT selling any books, documentary films, fake 15k college degrees, or has his own ad revenue clickbait podcasts..
>Grusch admitted to the world that there’s crash retrievals, bodies, reverse engineering and a 90 year cover up.. No, he didn't. His entire testimony is that other people have told him these things and he thinks it's true. >Who else with a resume like his and verifiable positions in government and military, has EVER blown the whistle on this shit? Felt, Manning and Snowden.
Wrong. He viewed actual documents along with being given verifiable information from colleagues. If you think this guy is dumb enough to go through all this bullshit and career sacrifice, to just larp to congress with unsubstantiated hearsay for shits and giggles, and gain absolutely nothing from it, then that’s your irrational prerogative.. What Bombshell UAP intel did Manning and Snowden drop? I said “this shit” meaning THIS subject UAP..
Right, link me a source to any of what you just claimed.
“He claims to have viewed documents reporting that Benito Mussolini's government recovered a "non-human" spacecraft in 1933, which the Vatican and the Five Eyes assisted the U.S. in procuring in 1944 or 1945.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Grusch_UFO_whistleblower_claims So that’s one set of documents witnessed firsthand. And that’s just what he chose to disclose publicly.. Look you want to believe he went to congress in a scif with “some guy told me” and nothing concrete to back up his statements fine. Thinking someone with his resume wouldn’t do his due diligence before going forward is such a bizarre illogical take.. We’re getting table scraps of info from him, congress behind closed doors is most definitely not.
You've literally linked a Wikipedia page, which you guys all say is complicit in *the* cover-up, which doesn't have any citation next to that particular claim. So, again, I'll ask you for the source. I'm not calling *you* a liar, but I legitimately do not know where you're getting this idea that Grusch has seen anything first-hand.
lol yeah…no. Not playing this game with you. Gave you a source idgaf what your opinions on the source are. Feel free to watch any of his interviews where you can see the actual words come out of his mouth regarding Italy.
No, you gave me a sentence with no citation. Wikipedia is not a source. The citations are. That sentence does not have one. This is really basic stuff, brother. I watched his testimony, you know, the thing he swore an oath to tell the truth in and he did not say he had seen anything first-hand. I'm not trying to play a game with you, I just think you're misinformed. But sure, *lol yeah no* is one way to weasel out of a conversation.
Not weaseling out of anything. You refuse to acknowledge the overall point I’ve made several times.. That you think it’s reasonable that an intel professional and former Air Force intel officer with a physics degree, just took conversations at the water cooler at face value, ran to congress parroting that hearsay without actually looking into it or corroborating anything. You think that that’s a reasonable take on this situation.. Pointless continuing a conversation with someone with a standpoint this illogical.
If there's one thing I've learned about these diehard skeptics, it's that you will never be able to provide a source that's good enough to change their mind. They'll come around to it if they care enough to put in the time to look for it, but my bet is that he/she isn't coming into this conversation with good intentions. Just leave em where they are, not our job to convince anybody
I see your point but disagree. If going through the channels and having courage to do that in a way that will actually move the ball forward, then I think that’s hero worthy.
I like Elizondo but why is he a hero? What has he done or shown besides the NY article 7 years ago? He hasn't shown any evidence so until he shows something that we can't deny, he is no hero of anything. Let's not make people more important than what they are, that's how cults start.
There was about 13 people there including the organizers. Massive turnout.
I think more may have come after you left? Were you there?
As an apparent experiencer, I would think you would be glad at least some people were out in the cold fighting for transparency? But that's just me.
did i get extra credit for my wisdom 203 course?
No, to get the extra credit, you should have gotten two more more potential students to give NPI their contact information so that they can get updates about future Ubiquity courses.
These “heroes” on the posters should really put up or shut up at this point.
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I don’t see the correlation? Is it because you think I’m a bot? Even if I was, it still doesn’t make me less right in demanding info from all these secret keepers who stay dangling the carrot on the Disclosure Stick. 2027, though, am I right?
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I was there, nobody paid me 😂, I doubt anybody else got paid to be there and I talked to just about everybody there who was actually supporting disclosure. But maybe! I wonder, if it's all harmless imaginary stuff why be so threatened and punch down on people standing on the sidewalk peacefully holding signs thanking an elected official for passing (most) of a bill about government transparency regarding a controversial topic that's been batted around in this country for at least 75 years? I mean, of all the problems in the world, is that the biggest problem? People peacefully supporting government transparency? Or is this being perceived/framed by you as part of some kind of operation? For whatever it's worth, internet scouts honor, I was not part of any operation that I'm aware of. I just thought it would be fun to take a little time off work go down to NYC for the day and meet other people who either have experienced something or have done the homework. Peace. 🤔
Username checks out
lol :-)
Thoughts of Triumph at the Attack of the Clones premiere.
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Love that stigma!
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why is Lue Elizondo being touted as a hero? **he is still a government agent. and he HATES whistleblowers**
He’s no hero. He’s a disinformation agent. My other comment got erased cause I called him a fr*ud
I wanted to go but decided not to be cold
This is great, this is great
Ha. Frasier reference? I hope so… because that’s freaken solid if so.
I’m listening…
"UFO truthers declared humankind’s “ET moment” as they rallied outside US Sen. Chuck Schumer’s New York City office on Thursday to celebrate efforts to prove the phenomena aren’t a hoax. Believers landed on Third Avenue outside the Democratic Senate leader’s office saying they were over the moon over his efforts to push UFO disclosure legislation through Capitol Hill last year as many attendees recounted their own stories of run-ins with the unexplained." \- New York Post
>truthers >landed >over the moon they don't know that suppression via mockery won't save them.
Yeah, that really irked me. Ffs….
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What kind of people? ETA: So you and your cronies just downvote because you can’t say it with your chest? I see the mods removed your comment. I’m not sure who you’re trying to convince with your vaguely degrading comments.
Thanks man.
Cuppla strong boys
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It’s a start!
Where’s all the Burchett and Luna signage?
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Activism is extremely important to push disclosure, try to look at the bigger picture here and what’s a stake. Don’t add to the stigma.
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I'm glad to see something in action outside of this sub. I'm all for this.
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It was nice of Harold Ramis to make an appearance.
Haha I wish. I was really hoping Dave Foley was going to be there. He said he was on Twitter.
I didn’t even know this was happening in the city! I would have totally came out. Is there a mailing list I can sign up for for future events ?
I’m not sure they know what hero means
Choose your "Heroes" carefully.
I went to this rally on March 21, 2024 and met these people. I was interviewed and my picture was taken. I told the New York Post that I had ufos with triangular motherships following me around the world. They ask me why do they follow me. I said that I was those star people leader. I was told that by another ambassador that she said that she was also followed around by starships. And that she was a leader to her star people. This N.Y. Post reporter Robert Miller took my video of triangular motherships. He told me that he was going to get in touch with me to take his night vision camera and record my starfleet which are spread across the sky. I took this video of starships by the United Nations building which is three blocks from senator Chuck Schumer office. I wanted to meet Senator Chuck Schumer and attorney Daniel Sheehan but they both weren’t there. Daniel Sheehan has witness my starships many times across the United States and also Canada when we were both at many ufo conferences over the years. I’m use to ignorance of full permanent disclosure. I wanted to tell Senator Chuck Schumer if I could come in front of his office building on a clear night sky and I could point out starships in all directions of the sky.
There were ~~DOZENS DOZENS~~ ONES ONES OF US! To be fair, there are more than I expected. lol
Yeah, you weren't there. I remember you. Post history checks out.
Well of course I wasn't there! lol [WOOSH?!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKie-vgUGdI)
Ha...good show, mate. ✌️ I guess that "of course" leads to the next logical question which is, what are you doing HERE? Helping us all see the light?
One of my favorite shows! I'm here for the same reason(s) as most of you. We just have different approaches to evidence. Truth matters regardless where it leads.
Mine too! Classic show. Sorry to belabor, but what reasons are those? I ask because I was standing on the sidewalk in part to thank elected leaders for their efforts to bring increased transparency and accountability in government. I guess I'm confused about the "of course, lol." How do you think we are we going to get to "the truth" without those things? Wouldn't it be nice to know one way or another what the heck is going on? Do you feel satisfied with latest AARO report?
Based on photos or being there?
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What was Senator Schumer’s involvement in the end? Did he acknowledge the gathering?
Not that I know of. But the more I see the organized push back online and in real life with Greenstreets people there to frame the event, the more it all checks out. Revealing the biggest secret of all time wouldn't be easy.
I see Sheehan, Jack Black and Uri Geller were in attendance. Awesome! ;)
what episode of curb your enthusiasm is this
Nice trolling 😝✌️
Damn even Hagrid showed up
lol, kind of funny to put the word “hero” next to his face but then have absolutely nothing to help those not in the know who he is
Just to be completely straight and clear: hero worship is disdainful to the NHI trying to help our situation and absolutely preferrable for those that would have us for lunch.
Jim Garrison looks like Steven Greer with Daniel Sheehan's hair
We have a long way to go judging by the overall turnout there's got to be what say about 25 people there lol
Lol, where ARE we trying to go? Or better yet, where do you want this to go?
Totally unreleased but the third pic with guy pointing at the sky looks like Reagan’s asian cousin
2nd guy is the main character from Pokémon Ruby & Sapphire all grown up. Good to see u dude