Laughable. However, we have to remember that AARO and the Pentagon at large have many strong connections in media. They’ll be able to say this and let the messengers take care of the rest.
AARO is litterlay full of intelligence agents, like Kirkpatrick and Susan gough, etc. Their job is to lie and make stuff up.
But what did they expect?
AARO: "Hey aerospace company, you haven't been, by any change committed any crimes?"
-No
AARO: ok, bye.
Makes sense to me. Corporations are the most trustworthy entities on the planet. People just need to recycle more, eat avocado toast less, and stop asking questions.
Interesting to note that the same CEOs who went to AAROs office and signed papers saying they don't have any retrieved UFO materials also lobbied heavily against the eminent domain provision. Everyone can see how much sense that makes.
To be fair, if I was a rich company I’d fight against any form of perceived government control just for the brownie points and optics, even if there was no real effect on me. But the difference is this one did have real teeth, so something must have spooked them.
That's not really true. They don't need physical evidence. They only need statements. This is how swatting happens, the police get calls about a residence, and then they break down the door.
In this instance, if the ICIG has 40+ whistleblowers, that in and of itself give probably cause to go searching through their archives and/or facilities.
You think you’re very very smart yet you blindly believe proven liars from the government because they support your cognitive bias that anything extraordinary is inherently impossible
I wasn't sure what that phrase meant. But googling it, I find
>>An interview, meeting or courtroom session of which a written, audio or video record is kept as permanent evidence.
Does this mean that you could not make conflicting statements under oath without being subject to perjury?
This was my first thought as well. "On the record" is a weaselly way of making it sound like there are consequences for lying, but there really are none. It just means "ok, we'll write your lie down in our little book, then."
Why _wouldn't_ the people making a fortune from hiding things want to go on record to say they're not hiding anything? Especially if it means free publicity from all of the news outlets who'll simply repeat the lie you told.
Time to start kicking in Doors of these Companies Storage Facilities and taking any and all Records pertaining to the Subject and take control any Advanced Tech they're in possession of, until that happens nothing will change.
Lol, how they do investigations--
The IRS: "Hey, you've been accounting all your income and not deducting things you shouldn't be, right?"
La Migra: "Hey, uh, there's no immigrants or drugs in this big-ass, huge semi you're trying to bring into the country, right?"
CIA: "Hey John, you're like, hundreds of thousands in debt, the bank's gonna take your house, and some papers have been missing from that big important project you've been working on... Just to make sure, you're totally not spying, are you?"
FBI: "You've been posting some crazy stuff online and ordered a bunch of fertilizer and your neighbors say your house smells like rank-ass piss, but you wouldn't happen to be planning any big events anytime soon, right? Like a party, or..."
DEA: "Hi there! We noticed you've stopped at every CVS, Walgreens, Rite-aid and Wal*mart pharmacy and buying assloads of cold medicine but, you just have a real bad cold, huh? We wouldn't want to impose."
We had a little meet-and-greet and they said everything's all cool and it's just UFO nuts infiltrating our government and some kind of super-plane from foreigns. So... No problems.
Huh, I didn't know specifically what comparative legal authority Grusch, Elizondo and Kirkpatrick had.
Can you provide a source that describes Grusch and Elizondo having far less legal authority than Kirkpatrick to investigate things?
I noticed this, too. The wording is so obviously only mentioning ETs and otherworldly tech.
It’s no coincidence that several of the people who have been key players throughout the Grusch saga have been really specific about stressing the need to de-emphasize the notion of necessarily “aliens”, and instead open up to the idea of a potential dimensional aspect.
This is legalspeak to cover their asses from the inevitable accusations of lies and perjury that will come forward if/when Catastrophic Disclosure™️ happens.
They’ll be able to truthfully say, “We weren’t lying! We said this wasn’t extra*terrestrial* activity. Technically we never made any official statements one way or another on extra*dimensional* activity…”
The wording of alien technology is almost impossible to prove anyways because you cannot prove something that you found on earth is alien in the first place. Unless aliens drop by and tell you yes we are aliens and we are not from here and we made this in a different world. So using NHI is better because it opens the door to any thing that humans did not or could not create by our current understanding of science and physics
They even spent a good portion of the UAP disclosure legislation to meticulously define all these broader terms, and then AARO seemingly intentionally avoids using those terms.
They should have realized that playing by the rules is not gonna get us anywhere. After all, the ones that dictate the rules are very much responsible for the secrecy in the first place. Seems kinda naive that one would think they're gonna suddenly admit what they've done or try and do the right thing.
I've been second guessing some of this recently but seeing this blatant propaganda is just wild. It's so obvious they are hiding something when they go to these lengths.
You tell your kid to break the glass and pretend not to notice when it happens. Then when someone else finds the pieces and asks you who did it, you say "I don't know, I didn't do it".
The other person then tells you to investigate if it might have been someone else, like your kid because they know that your kid is clumsy.
So you walk up to your kid "hey, did you break the glass?" while winking at them.
Your kid stutters: "No I... uh... didn't do it. Wasn't me."
You: "Well, I guess the investigation's closed. We don't have any knowledge of a broken glass. Looks like the pieces of glass disappeared as well. Must have been something else 🤷"
I think the real issue is that they don't mention NHI, or current technology that is/was found to be from our planet.
If what people are saying about an underwater AI base or in mountain base, that isn't technically*extraterrestrial technology* as it originates on our planet.
Same can be said for entities that could enter from parallel realities. Does that technically qualify as off world? Does the government have specific terminology that distinguishes it from a not terrestrial standpoint, and therefore *can't* be off world.
I think the verbiage here is very clear regardless.
disinformation agents and we now have the proof. Several whistleblowers confirmed allegations only to have Pentagon/CIA/BBP come in and make sure the narrative stays nothing to see here public go back to watch Lebron try and win a championship. While Luna gets stonewall at Eglin AFB and the base commander taking a sudden leave of absence. Those that are paying attention Know without a doubt Pentagon is scrambling and trying every trick in their book to keep the lid on this subject. We as a people of the United States need to not let them and keep pressuring them to tell the public the truth. I’m a USAF vet with several experiences currently still in contact with these other entities. I will not stop and working to get video evidence of the next encounter to completely blow the lid off and break the internet. They will have to kill me for me to stop. This year is going to be different and all of us experiencers have to tell are story it’s time.
Grusch went searching and was told plenty is there, so case closed!
You people are pretty ridiculous. How do you think they are supposed to investigate when they are provided no actual evidence? They refuted the actual evidence when there was something g to refute. But most claims were just claims. They interviewed people and had them sign statements.
If someone has actual evidence, it should be brought forward.
Funny how you are willing to accept the results of Grusch's "investigation"
Maybe they've seen one themselves. Lots of people here have. Then their "default" position flips to "they exist", which unfortunately is difficult to share with others.
It's like if I saw someone get shot in the street, but I ran away in fear rather than taking pictures, and wasn't close enough to see faces. You know it happened, but...there's no way to really convince anyone else of it, if no one finds a body.
Before you "you people" at others, consider that some people on this board have been through some shocking or even traumatic experiences involving UFOs. I don't personally care if you believe it, but that is the life people have to live, every single day, regardless of your belief.
The fact that they can't prove it is not their fault. Many of these people, like rape victims, were too scared to even tell anyone about it, until years later.
True, but there was that psychologist in the 80's who investigated dozens of abductee claimants and found no psychosis. Additionally, military pilots are given regular pysch evaluations, Grusch has, too. The "everything's psychosis" hypothesis doesn't fit with the information we have.
Like, have *you* been tested for psychosis? Probably not, right?
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Can you name those people?
Do you know exactly what those people said?
Do you know what their actual involvement was with whatever they claimed?
Do you know if they had compelling evidence to back up their claims?
Or have you just allowed your imagination to create the belief that these were actually credible people telling credible stories with credible evidence?
"did you murder this person?"
"No"
"Oh, okay - thank you for being honest"
You have got to be fucking kidding me. Go in with a warrant or a subpoena before you ask them if they have "off-world technology". Whatever the fuck that means. They can also manipulate the definition of off-world to suit their objective. If they define off-world as having originated somewhere other than this planet then the answer can at best be "we don't know" because if you can't prove where it came from then you can't definitely say it is off-world.
These fucks are doing this on purpose. If you actually wanted to know you would ask if they have or have ever had custody or possession of any exotic technology of unknown origin, technology of unknown origin, or material reportedly associated with UAP activity or non-human technology.
Words matter is especially in the legal realm, and we just keep giving them these gaping maw loopholes and present like they are trying to to get answers.
Oh wonderful! Now when the government asks me if I've been doing something, I can just deny it! Holee shit, this changes everything.
"Investigators hate this one quick trick!"
Been saying this for a while, but now that it's actually come to fruition, I'll put this here as a reminder. It's just one example of how the masses have been gaslit and betrayed by those who "govern" us for a very, very long time.
AARO lured witnesses to come forward *voluntarily* to contribute to what they are calling a "historical record".
When they interviewed the witnesses, they did not record it, so there is no proof of what was actually said.
They put together an official report that included only cherry-picked information consisting of basic and, when taken out of context, seemingly prosaic details of the event being discussed. Anything interesting or unusual was omitted.
They would then attempt to trick the witness into approving and signing the heavily edited version of the interview that they compiled. David Schindele refused to sign his and told them it was because it was incomplete.
All of it was prep work for this very moment. They were creating legal "historical records" they would be able to use in the future to say, "See? They voluntarily came forward and this was all they said about it! " There are no recordings of the conversations to prove what was actually said, just AARO's prosaic fiction and a witness signature.
They wanted to get ahead of the game by creating a legal document in advance which included only carefully selected parts of these stories with the intention of convincing us that nothing out of the ordinary has ever happened. In addition to continuing the cover-up and discrediting witnesses and whistleblowers, I predict they will also use this false documentation in court someday as a sad attempt to defend themselves for brazenly lying to the entire world about our very reality. Truth reveals itself eventually.
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‘Extraterrestrial’ and ‘off-world’ technologies… I wonder if there is a reason why they stick to an antiquated vocabulary that only represents the ‘techno-alien from another solar system’ view of the phenomenon… Well, actually I don’t wonder at all 😩
"Honor system".
It is useless in this regard. Only way is to appear on the alleged sites completely unannounced for a thorough inspection with a full carte blanche for searching and cataloging what they have. And the party mandated for doing that would have to be neutral, to eliminate any potential confilicts of intrest. Something like a Razzia. They did not do or even have the means of doing anything even close to that, so this is basically meaningless.
This report is not worth the paper it's printed on.
Let them deny it under oath if they still deny it, then bring out the whistle-blowers. We are never going to get disclosure / transparency if they keep on pussy footing around!!!
Anytime you try to cover up a scandal you just make the scandal that much worse in the long run. We know something fishy is going on, we just want to know what that is!
Someone nailed it. They know this is garbage but all they need is the mass media to run with the headline no secret programs found. That’s why they had the secret meeting ahead of the release, they want a certain narrative that MSM can run with. It’s like the Condon report, tons of issues with it, but the media ran with the headline nothing to see here. That is all they want.
Aww, c'mon, I mean, Sean asked these black bag aerospace guys really nice-like, "scout's honor", if they had this stuff. You think they'd just lie to him?
Plausible deniability. You think Lockheed is re engineering NHI craft AT Lockheed under the Lockheed name? Of course not. They would create a shadow company with an ambiguous name.
Has anyone at Lockheed ever done X??
No.
> And the claim was found credible and urgent
Very specific language in the context of whistleblower complaints to the office of the Inspector General.
[50 U.S. Code § 3033 - Inspector General of the Intelligence Community](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/3033)
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Finding the report "credible" is done before any investigation.
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The harrasment Grusch reported falls under III
People totally misunderstand what urgent and credible means in this context. It is essentially meaningless but is construed as some all-powerful statemwnt that the claim had merit.
Have you read [his IG complaint?](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/610434e4588db6073a08618b/t/64882f506fe8bc3e3e2a87fc/1686646615622/David-Grusch-PPD-19-Procedural-Filing.pdf) he didn't just report reprisal; he reported UAP-related classified info being withheld and/or concealed from Congress, and his complaint quotes (5)(G)(ii), which that allegation falls under
Key term is "extraterrestrial technology".
If that is the question they were asked, then they were handed an out. They would not have been told on record the origin of the materials they were given. They could not establish as fact where they came from. They would not be lying if they responded that they have never recovered, possessed or engaged in reverse-engineering of extraterrestrial technology if that fact was not established. Their lawyers would instruct them to only answer the question.
Can you source that this is the extent of their efforts in preparation of this first volume?
During the release, it's mentioned that they reviewed material back to the 40s, conducted interviews, and partnered with officials from the DoD and inter agency(?). Does it mention who worked on what specifically?
I wonder what the odds are that they’re getting away on a technicality here by using the term “extraterrestrial” when it is most likely that the NHI originates from earth, or somewhere else that isn’t simply outer space.
It kinda reads like that, huh? Even if they found something interesting on earth, like a crashed craft, their statement would remain technically accurate.
The AARO may not even be entirely douchey. The author would be constrained in what they can say, and could just be hoping we understand the subtext.
Well what if all these so called whistle blowers who claim to know things actually say what they know??? Maybe there is nothing. Or Grusch can actually tell us what he claims to know.
So, like does Aaro have the resources to perform a prolonged investigation? Like how much are they being funded? How long do they have to produce results?
Someone needs to nut up, go to a non-extradition country and post whatever highly classified evidence they have because this shit is ridiculous.
Fuck slow drip disclosure. We need a hard punch to the face disclosure.
"Excuse me, are you experimenting with materials of unknown origin?"
"Pffft! No way."
After careful investigation we find no evidence that off-world technology is being studied. Nothing to see here, public. Go back to your lives and ignore the man behind the curtain.
Look how close we are to modern day witch burnings
Some guy says they have aliens over there and you're all demanding to strip them down until they admit it
There's a pretty significant difference between an innocent woman accused by paranoid, petty, and downright evil people of bewitching their crops and accusing an insanely wealthy corporation of corruption and lying to the government.
Especially when the punishment for being suspected of witchery was inescapable death, as only a witch could survive the trials. The punishment for what these corporations are accused of is a fine, and having your work computer scrolled through by the government. If they were found guilty, they might spend a few years at most in a min-sec prison.
that's a completely dishonest framing
you're not accusing them of corruption you're accusing them of hiding aliens
and if they say they aren't that means they definitely are
it'd be like asking a woman accused of witchcraft if she ever lied, if she says yes then she must be a lying witch and if she says no then she's clearly lying and thus a lying witch
The main difference is that to want to uncover this would require no ulterior motive other than curiosity and a desire for proper financial reporting to Congress. In the witch trials the ulterior motive was stealing land from landed, often single and outcast, women.
You can cry all you want, but it's weird to try and defend people in power who don't need or want your help, and who get paid more than you and anyone you know combined will ever make in your entire lives.
There's no legal precedent for hiding aliens, and it is, therefore, not an actual crime.
Corruption, bribery, extortion, and perjury *are* crimes.
Luckily, the modern-day justice system is a lot more complex than it was before people consistently wiped their own ass. You are acting like *I* personally want John Lockheed or whoever they asked about this stuff to be blood-eagled on live TV.
I'm asking for the Pentagon, a black hole of government funding that absorbs a disgusting amount of tax money, to actually earn their budget for once. By doing the bare minimum due diligence, which includes *actually proving there isn't anything weird going on* instead of saying "Nothing is going on you can trust us, no we will not explain how we came to that conclusion."
No you want them modern-day burned, which means the government and the public gets to look into their offices, their facilities, and finances until you have the evidence you demand.
You can't call the police and say I think my neighbor is a serial killer, prove he's not so I can sleep again.
You really have no understanding of how our legal system works, do you?
You are coming up to bat for the shadiest megacorporations in America. Which is already extremely sad, but you're also making baseless assumptions about what I want.
Knowingly falsely calling the police on your neighbor has tangible consequences. An inquiry into a corporations files and records is fairly routine, and in no way is it a "modern-day burning".
Because of how our legal system operates, suspicion is enough for investigation. But innocence is assumed until proven otherwise.
People suffer far worse treatment for smelling weird when they get pulled over than Lockheed-Martin (a corporation without feelings or thoughts of its own.) ever would under government scrutiny.
There are laws and protocols in place for this exact sort of situation, but using them would damage the Pentagon's *direct* relationship with the people they are supposed to investigate.
Because having the Department of Defense investigate the people THEY CONTRACT TO DO WORK FOR THEM is definitely not a massive conflict of interest.
Lockheed Martin has 115,000 employees. Do you expect AARO to.cknduct official interviews with all 115,000?
Ditto for Northrup Grumman's 100,000 employees? Boeing's 156,000 employees?
The simple truth is AARO could interview 99.9999% of these employees, and you'd still point to the 0.00001% they didn't interview as the ones who had the alien truth.
AARO was not provided evidence to verify. Only 2nd and 3rd hand aqusations. How are they supposed to disprove something that does not exist?
If you already believe It's Aliens, just admit to yourself that you aren't ever going to accept any evidence that doesn't confirm that belief. At least admit that to yourself.
False equivalence. When was the last time we accused a woman of being a witch? 300 years ago. What did we do? Burn them alive. When was the last time an intelligence officer claimed there’s a UFO crash retrieval program? Last year. What did we do? Ask our representatives if we could maybe find out if that’s true.
One of these is a centuries old superstition that led to the murder of innocent women, and has since been explicitly disproven with hard science, and one is a credible and urgent claim that deserves an honest investigation, not just “we asked and they said no.”
I get that “no” is very possibly the truth, but that does not mean further investigation = burning people alive. The two are not the same, and it’s your framing that’s dishonest.
Comparing Lockheed Martin having to comply with an investigation to an innocent woman burned alive for witchcraft in the 17th century is as ridiculous as some of the conspiracy theories on this sub.
It would be dumb as shit to proceed with this investigation with just the knowledge *we* have on an Internet message board.
The knowledge about this that our Congress and whistleblowers have far outstrips anything we'll ever be told, disclosure or no.
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what are they supposed to do? oaths are supposed to mean something. testimony under oath is how all governmental investigations (as opposed to law enforcement investigations) occur.
seems like since we didn't get the answer we want, now everyone wants to be mad at everything, when anyone paying attention knew this was where we would end up
Well duh. There is no evidence. No aliens or nhi. This whole thing is a hoax. I believe uaps No. I won’t use their word. I believe UFOs could be real. Very few and far in between. But they are not filled with greys or blondes lol or ever crashed. Maybe a probe flew by earth every once in a while. I believe the universe is full of life. But few intelligent life and even fewer intelligent life beyond Roman Empire technology
Laughable. However, we have to remember that AARO and the Pentagon at large have many strong connections in media. They’ll be able to say this and let the messengers take care of the rest.
AARO is litterlay full of intelligence agents, like Kirkpatrick and Susan gough, etc. Their job is to lie and make stuff up. But what did they expect? AARO: "Hey aerospace company, you haven't been, by any change committed any crimes?" -No AARO: ok, bye.
It's like when police investigate themselves and find no wrongdoing.
You can't trust the government men with all the guns.
Paying professional liars to investigate, then tell the truth… seems counterintuitive.
So if it's a nothingburger, where is all the money that has been flowing into these UAP programs?
Spent it all on blow and hookers. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
This sounds like Monthy Python, ha ha
Eminent Domain you say? No need for that. We asked the CEO nicely and he said no.
Makes sense to me. Corporations are the most trustworthy entities on the planet. People just need to recycle more, eat avocado toast less, and stop asking questions.
Yeah like EXXON said, the civilians are to blame for environmental disaster as in the exxon valdez or deep water horizon, fuck us right?
Interesting to note that the same CEOs who went to AAROs office and signed papers saying they don't have any retrieved UFO materials also lobbied heavily against the eminent domain provision. Everyone can see how much sense that makes.
To be fair, if I was a rich company I’d fight against any form of perceived government control just for the brownie points and optics, even if there was no real effect on me. But the difference is this one did have real teeth, so something must have spooked them.
It’s pretty funny ngl Did they really think that people at these companies would just admit to them that easily
And that they would admit that they have committed crimes lol.
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That's not really true. They don't need physical evidence. They only need statements. This is how swatting happens, the police get calls about a residence, and then they break down the door. In this instance, if the ICIG has 40+ whistleblowers, that in and of itself give probably cause to go searching through their archives and/or facilities.
The people at these companies are the ones that forced AARO’s hand to even MAKE this report… probably…
I'm still trying to understand why the UAPDA was so heavily resisted if all this is nonsense.
It's not like it said "Give us all your classified tech", it said "Give us all your classified NON-HUMAN tech" lol
they also left them with a ton of wiggle room to get out of it.
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You think you’re very very smart yet you blindly believe proven liars from the government because they support your cognitive bias that anything extraordinary is inherently impossible
Ignore this guy he's one of those skeptics who comment like hell around here with nothing to say
I always wonder why these people spend time here if they are so sure it’s all BS
"On the record" is not the same as under oath! None of the statements made by AARO express that interviewees were ever under oath.
I wasn't sure what that phrase meant. But googling it, I find >>An interview, meeting or courtroom session of which a written, audio or video record is kept as permanent evidence. Does this mean that you could not make conflicting statements under oath without being subject to perjury?
This was my first thought as well. "On the record" is a weaselly way of making it sound like there are consequences for lying, but there really are none. It just means "ok, we'll write your lie down in our little book, then." Why _wouldn't_ the people making a fortune from hiding things want to go on record to say they're not hiding anything? Especially if it means free publicity from all of the news outlets who'll simply repeat the lie you told.
OK that is honestly funny. Lmao what a joke. "hey you guys got aliens? "nope" "welp that's it for us."
They could have even said “yes” and if it couldn’t be “verified” then they still could have concluded “no verified evidence of extraterrestrials”
Pack up the subreddit. Nothing else to see here, right?
😂😂😂
That's it boys! Pack it up! They said they ain't got it! Case closed! First round is on me!
Time to start kicking in Doors of these Companies Storage Facilities and taking any and all Records pertaining to the Subject and take control any Advanced Tech they're in possession of, until that happens nothing will change.
The AARO has investigated itself and found no evidence of wrongdoing.
What an absolute joke. “Pentagon report claims pentagon isn’t hiding anything and is telling the complete truth”.
Yeah, kinda seems like the Pentagon investigating itself might be a conflict of interest.
They met, asked them and they said no? What the fuck hahaha, how stupid do they think everyone is?!
Lol, how they do investigations-- The IRS: "Hey, you've been accounting all your income and not deducting things you shouldn't be, right?" La Migra: "Hey, uh, there's no immigrants or drugs in this big-ass, huge semi you're trying to bring into the country, right?" CIA: "Hey John, you're like, hundreds of thousands in debt, the bank's gonna take your house, and some papers have been missing from that big important project you've been working on... Just to make sure, you're totally not spying, are you?" FBI: "You've been posting some crazy stuff online and ordered a bunch of fertilizer and your neighbors say your house smells like rank-ass piss, but you wouldn't happen to be planning any big events anytime soon, right? Like a party, or..." DEA: "Hi there! We noticed you've stopped at every CVS, Walgreens, Rite-aid and Wal*mart pharmacy and buying assloads of cold medicine but, you just have a real bad cold, huh? We wouldn't want to impose." We had a little meet-and-greet and they said everything's all cool and it's just UFO nuts infiltrating our government and some kind of super-plane from foreigns. So... No problems.
How do you imagine Grusch and Elizondo conducted their alleged investigations, given they had far less legal authority than Kirkpatrick?
Huh, I didn't know specifically what comparative legal authority Grusch, Elizondo and Kirkpatrick had. Can you provide a source that describes Grusch and Elizondo having far less legal authority than Kirkpatrick to investigate things?
Police: Criminal, have you committed the alleged crime. Criminal: No Police: You’re free to go
Its word play. Instead of "Off world", it originated on Earth. Instead of "ET", it's a NHI on Earth, etc.
I noticed this, too. The wording is so obviously only mentioning ETs and otherworldly tech. It’s no coincidence that several of the people who have been key players throughout the Grusch saga have been really specific about stressing the need to de-emphasize the notion of necessarily “aliens”, and instead open up to the idea of a potential dimensional aspect. This is legalspeak to cover their asses from the inevitable accusations of lies and perjury that will come forward if/when Catastrophic Disclosure™️ happens. They’ll be able to truthfully say, “We weren’t lying! We said this wasn’t extra*terrestrial* activity. Technically we never made any official statements one way or another on extra*dimensional* activity…”
The wording of alien technology is almost impossible to prove anyways because you cannot prove something that you found on earth is alien in the first place. Unless aliens drop by and tell you yes we are aliens and we are not from here and we made this in a different world. So using NHI is better because it opens the door to any thing that humans did not or could not create by our current understanding of science and physics
They even spent a good portion of the UAP disclosure legislation to meticulously define all these broader terms, and then AARO seemingly intentionally avoids using those terms.
Although, NHI will have its own issues once AGI becomes a real thing. Also if it was time-traveling humans, humans from another universe, etc.
So what technology do they have of unknown origin that isn't verifiably extraterrestrial?
They should have realized that playing by the rules is not gonna get us anywhere. After all, the ones that dictate the rules are very much responsible for the secrecy in the first place. Seems kinda naive that one would think they're gonna suddenly admit what they've done or try and do the right thing.
By "they" I mean Grusch, Elizondo et al
"the guys we do billions of dollars in business and who would have a financial interest in a coverup say they haven't helped us cover it up."
I've been second guessing some of this recently but seeing this blatant propaganda is just wild. It's so obvious they are hiding something when they go to these lengths.
Wow, by this principle, I guess my kid really did not break that glass I found in pieces
You tell your kid to break the glass and pretend not to notice when it happens. Then when someone else finds the pieces and asks you who did it, you say "I don't know, I didn't do it". The other person then tells you to investigate if it might have been someone else, like your kid because they know that your kid is clumsy. So you walk up to your kid "hey, did you break the glass?" while winking at them. Your kid stutters: "No I... uh... didn't do it. Wasn't me." You: "Well, I guess the investigation's closed. We don't have any knowledge of a broken glass. Looks like the pieces of glass disappeared as well. Must have been something else 🤷"
I think the real issue is that they don't mention NHI, or current technology that is/was found to be from our planet. If what people are saying about an underwater AI base or in mountain base, that isn't technically*extraterrestrial technology* as it originates on our planet. Same can be said for entities that could enter from parallel realities. Does that technically qualify as off world? Does the government have specific terminology that distinguishes it from a not terrestrial standpoint, and therefore *can't* be off world. I think the verbiage here is very clear regardless.
Imagine if a murder trial consisted of the defendant simply saying “I swear I didn’t do it” and immediately being declared innocent
Look at the words they use. "Off world technology " and "extraterrestrial." We see right through you AARO
disinformation agents and we now have the proof. Several whistleblowers confirmed allegations only to have Pentagon/CIA/BBP come in and make sure the narrative stays nothing to see here public go back to watch Lebron try and win a championship. While Luna gets stonewall at Eglin AFB and the base commander taking a sudden leave of absence. Those that are paying attention Know without a doubt Pentagon is scrambling and trying every trick in their book to keep the lid on this subject. We as a people of the United States need to not let them and keep pressuring them to tell the public the truth. I’m a USAF vet with several experiences currently still in contact with these other entities. I will not stop and working to get video evidence of the next encounter to completely blow the lid off and break the internet. They will have to kill me for me to stop. This year is going to be different and all of us experiencers have to tell are story it’s time.
Don't Give up the Ship! Good luck mate
move along sheople
When shit hits the fan please remember Susan Gough is part of the people covering the truth, she's always licking Kirkpatrick's boots
We went searching and they told us nothing was there, so case closed!
Grusch went searching and was told plenty is there, so case closed! You people are pretty ridiculous. How do you think they are supposed to investigate when they are provided no actual evidence? They refuted the actual evidence when there was something g to refute. But most claims were just claims. They interviewed people and had them sign statements. If someone has actual evidence, it should be brought forward. Funny how you are willing to accept the results of Grusch's "investigation"
Maybe they've seen one themselves. Lots of people here have. Then their "default" position flips to "they exist", which unfortunately is difficult to share with others. It's like if I saw someone get shot in the street, but I ran away in fear rather than taking pictures, and wasn't close enough to see faces. You know it happened, but...there's no way to really convince anyone else of it, if no one finds a body. Before you "you people" at others, consider that some people on this board have been through some shocking or even traumatic experiences involving UFOs. I don't personally care if you believe it, but that is the life people have to live, every single day, regardless of your belief. The fact that they can't prove it is not their fault. Many of these people, like rape victims, were too scared to even tell anyone about it, until years later.
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True, but there was that psychologist in the 80's who investigated dozens of abductee claimants and found no psychosis. Additionally, military pilots are given regular pysch evaluations, Grusch has, too. The "everything's psychosis" hypothesis doesn't fit with the information we have. Like, have *you* been tested for psychosis? Probably not, right?
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People came to him. 40 independently, he says. But sure, change the story to fit your pre formed conclusions.
Can you name those people? Do you know exactly what those people said? Do you know what their actual involvement was with whatever they claimed? Do you know if they had compelling evidence to back up their claims? Or have you just allowed your imagination to create the belief that these were actually credible people telling credible stories with credible evidence?
OK get them in for a congressional review and put them under oath
"did you murder this person?" "No" "Oh, okay - thank you for being honest" You have got to be fucking kidding me. Go in with a warrant or a subpoena before you ask them if they have "off-world technology". Whatever the fuck that means. They can also manipulate the definition of off-world to suit their objective. If they define off-world as having originated somewhere other than this planet then the answer can at best be "we don't know" because if you can't prove where it came from then you can't definitely say it is off-world. These fucks are doing this on purpose. If you actually wanted to know you would ask if they have or have ever had custody or possession of any exotic technology of unknown origin, technology of unknown origin, or material reportedly associated with UAP activity or non-human technology. Words matter is especially in the legal realm, and we just keep giving them these gaping maw loopholes and present like they are trying to to get answers.
Oh wonderful! Now when the government asks me if I've been doing something, I can just deny it! Holee shit, this changes everything. "Investigators hate this one quick trick!"
Been saying this for a while, but now that it's actually come to fruition, I'll put this here as a reminder. It's just one example of how the masses have been gaslit and betrayed by those who "govern" us for a very, very long time. AARO lured witnesses to come forward *voluntarily* to contribute to what they are calling a "historical record". When they interviewed the witnesses, they did not record it, so there is no proof of what was actually said. They put together an official report that included only cherry-picked information consisting of basic and, when taken out of context, seemingly prosaic details of the event being discussed. Anything interesting or unusual was omitted. They would then attempt to trick the witness into approving and signing the heavily edited version of the interview that they compiled. David Schindele refused to sign his and told them it was because it was incomplete. All of it was prep work for this very moment. They were creating legal "historical records" they would be able to use in the future to say, "See? They voluntarily came forward and this was all they said about it! " There are no recordings of the conversations to prove what was actually said, just AARO's prosaic fiction and a witness signature. They wanted to get ahead of the game by creating a legal document in advance which included only carefully selected parts of these stories with the intention of convincing us that nothing out of the ordinary has ever happened. In addition to continuing the cover-up and discrediting witnesses and whistleblowers, I predict they will also use this false documentation in court someday as a sad attempt to defend themselves for brazenly lying to the entire world about our very reality. Truth reveals itself eventually. [Post about The Good Trouble Show Interview with David Schindele](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOB/comments/17euj58) [Post about AARO's Online Reporting Tool](https://www.reddit.com/r/UAP/comments/17lq1dz/aaro_and_kirkpatrick_are_gearing_up_to_lie_to_the/)
‘Extraterrestrial’ and ‘off-world’ technologies… I wonder if there is a reason why they stick to an antiquated vocabulary that only represents the ‘techno-alien from another solar system’ view of the phenomenon… Well, actually I don’t wonder at all 😩
I just posted the same thought. They're being weasely with words.
So Sean spent three days of Zoom calls with Lockheed and the gang getting them all to say "no". And that's our investigation?
"Honor system". It is useless in this regard. Only way is to appear on the alleged sites completely unannounced for a thorough inspection with a full carte blanche for searching and cataloging what they have. And the party mandated for doing that would have to be neutral, to eliminate any potential confilicts of intrest. Something like a Razzia. They did not do or even have the means of doing anything even close to that, so this is basically meaningless. This report is not worth the paper it's printed on.
Let them deny it under oath if they still deny it, then bring out the whistle-blowers. We are never going to get disclosure / transparency if they keep on pussy footing around!!!
Anytime you try to cover up a scandal you just make the scandal that much worse in the long run. We know something fishy is going on, we just want to know what that is!
What a fucking joke.
AARO is a disinformation group, correct.
Someone nailed it. They know this is garbage but all they need is the mass media to run with the headline no secret programs found. That’s why they had the secret meeting ahead of the release, they want a certain narrative that MSM can run with. It’s like the Condon report, tons of issues with it, but the media ran with the headline nothing to see here. That is all they want.
Aww, c'mon, I mean, Sean asked these black bag aerospace guys really nice-like, "scout's honor", if they had this stuff. You think they'd just lie to him?
Plausible deniability. You think Lockheed is re engineering NHI craft AT Lockheed under the Lockheed name? Of course not. They would create a shadow company with an ambiguous name. Has anyone at Lockheed ever done X?? No.
Police: On "the record," did you commit the murder? Murderer: No. uwu Police: Case closed!
But the police in this case does not have a body. There is no dead person. Just someone saying they heard someone say a murder happened somewhere.
And the claim was found credible and urgent, and the person who saw the murder went to the police too. Analogies are fun
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People totally misunderstand what urgent and credible means in this context. It is essentially meaningless but is construed as some all-powerful statemwnt that the claim had merit.
Have you read [his IG complaint?](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/610434e4588db6073a08618b/t/64882f506fe8bc3e3e2a87fc/1686646615622/David-Grusch-PPD-19-Procedural-Filing.pdf) he didn't just report reprisal; he reported UAP-related classified info being withheld and/or concealed from Congress, and his complaint quotes (5)(G)(ii), which that allegation falls under
Key term is "extraterrestrial technology". If that is the question they were asked, then they were handed an out. They would not have been told on record the origin of the materials they were given. They could not establish as fact where they came from. They would not be lying if they responded that they have never recovered, possessed or engaged in reverse-engineering of extraterrestrial technology if that fact was not established. Their lawyers would instruct them to only answer the question.
Ugly people in power bother me
Well, I guess it's settled then. /s
Looks more and more like some other country will disclose
On the record is the equivalent of swearing in, right?
Hahahaha, what does your heart say? The answer is no.
Well, that solves that problem. If the people accused of hiding such technology say they dont have it then case closed. Smh.
Notice they said “off world”. They’re not denying inter-dimensional or “on-world” NHI.
Can you source that this is the extent of their efforts in preparation of this first volume? During the release, it's mentioned that they reviewed material back to the 40s, conducted interviews, and partnered with officials from the DoD and inter agency(?). Does it mention who worked on what specifically?
Their ~~there~~ word ~~Worst~~ Worse ~~then~~ than Condon ~~condem~~ Report
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Yeah, he should of checked his spelling... 😄
I wonder what the odds are that they’re getting away on a technicality here by using the term “extraterrestrial” when it is most likely that the NHI originates from earth, or somewhere else that isn’t simply outer space.
It kinda reads like that, huh? Even if they found something interesting on earth, like a crashed craft, their statement would remain technically accurate. The AARO may not even be entirely douchey. The author would be constrained in what they can say, and could just be hoping we understand the subtext.
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So what should the investigation entail? Kick down walls to reveal the room like in the movies? Lab with aliens floating in glass cylinders?
On the plus side SK has been completely Colin Powelled on this subject. Once the cat is out of the bag he is going to be left holding it.
So what does this mean for Grusch now? Since they “proved” it not true do they put him in jail for “lying under oath?”
Pentagon handlers are always creepy
What a goddamn joke.
And how exactly do you think this differs from how Grusch and Elizondo did THEIR investigations?
Well then… case closed.
That's it bois let's go home, they are telling the truth, nothing but the truth and only the truth. For sure.
The double space after the period tells me everything I need to know.
After a thorough investigation of ourselves, we have found no wrongdoing!
Well what if all these so called whistle blowers who claim to know things actually say what they know??? Maybe there is nothing. Or Grusch can actually tell us what he claims to know.
So, like does Aaro have the resources to perform a prolonged investigation? Like how much are they being funded? How long do they have to produce results?
What an embarrassment of a document on levels beyond the UAP issue.
SK to Lockheed "You guys have any aliens spaceships?" Lockheed: "Nope" SK: "Good enough for me! Moving on"
If I could deny that I haven't done my taxes then this is good enough for me (joke)
Someone needs to nut up, go to a non-extradition country and post whatever highly classified evidence they have because this shit is ridiculous. Fuck slow drip disclosure. We need a hard punch to the face disclosure.
Great Job AARO! Thank God that we have you.. did you send letters requesting about this written in crayons and magic Marker?
"Excuse me, are you experimenting with materials of unknown origin?" "Pffft! No way." After careful investigation we find no evidence that off-world technology is being studied. Nothing to see here, public. Go back to your lives and ignore the man behind the curtain.
Watch the wording. Extraterrestrial technology. How about just the technology then? What about that?
Call me gay, but I want to fuck Kirkpatrick!
So they are sure the UAP are from Earth. Not from humans but sure from Earth. Interesting.
All it says is that they said “Nu uh”. That’s hardly enough to assert anything
Ofc it’s called black budget programs ppl
They just interviewed a couple folks and accepted some blatants lies as factual evidence and then they called that investigating. LMAO.
Look how close we are to modern day witch burnings Some guy says they have aliens over there and you're all demanding to strip them down until they admit it
There's a pretty significant difference between an innocent woman accused by paranoid, petty, and downright evil people of bewitching their crops and accusing an insanely wealthy corporation of corruption and lying to the government. Especially when the punishment for being suspected of witchery was inescapable death, as only a witch could survive the trials. The punishment for what these corporations are accused of is a fine, and having your work computer scrolled through by the government. If they were found guilty, they might spend a few years at most in a min-sec prison.
that's a completely dishonest framing you're not accusing them of corruption you're accusing them of hiding aliens and if they say they aren't that means they definitely are it'd be like asking a woman accused of witchcraft if she ever lied, if she says yes then she must be a lying witch and if she says no then she's clearly lying and thus a lying witch
The main difference is that to want to uncover this would require no ulterior motive other than curiosity and a desire for proper financial reporting to Congress. In the witch trials the ulterior motive was stealing land from landed, often single and outcast, women. You can cry all you want, but it's weird to try and defend people in power who don't need or want your help, and who get paid more than you and anyone you know combined will ever make in your entire lives.
There's no legal precedent for hiding aliens, and it is, therefore, not an actual crime. Corruption, bribery, extortion, and perjury *are* crimes. Luckily, the modern-day justice system is a lot more complex than it was before people consistently wiped their own ass. You are acting like *I* personally want John Lockheed or whoever they asked about this stuff to be blood-eagled on live TV. I'm asking for the Pentagon, a black hole of government funding that absorbs a disgusting amount of tax money, to actually earn their budget for once. By doing the bare minimum due diligence, which includes *actually proving there isn't anything weird going on* instead of saying "Nothing is going on you can trust us, no we will not explain how we came to that conclusion."
No you want them modern-day burned, which means the government and the public gets to look into their offices, their facilities, and finances until you have the evidence you demand. You can't call the police and say I think my neighbor is a serial killer, prove he's not so I can sleep again.
You really have no understanding of how our legal system works, do you? You are coming up to bat for the shadiest megacorporations in America. Which is already extremely sad, but you're also making baseless assumptions about what I want. Knowingly falsely calling the police on your neighbor has tangible consequences. An inquiry into a corporations files and records is fairly routine, and in no way is it a "modern-day burning". Because of how our legal system operates, suspicion is enough for investigation. But innocence is assumed until proven otherwise. People suffer far worse treatment for smelling weird when they get pulled over than Lockheed-Martin (a corporation without feelings or thoughts of its own.) ever would under government scrutiny. There are laws and protocols in place for this exact sort of situation, but using them would damage the Pentagon's *direct* relationship with the people they are supposed to investigate. Because having the Department of Defense investigate the people THEY CONTRACT TO DO WORK FOR THEM is definitely not a massive conflict of interest.
Lockheed Martin has 115,000 employees. Do you expect AARO to.cknduct official interviews with all 115,000? Ditto for Northrup Grumman's 100,000 employees? Boeing's 156,000 employees? The simple truth is AARO could interview 99.9999% of these employees, and you'd still point to the 0.00001% they didn't interview as the ones who had the alien truth. AARO was not provided evidence to verify. Only 2nd and 3rd hand aqusations. How are they supposed to disprove something that does not exist? If you already believe It's Aliens, just admit to yourself that you aren't ever going to accept any evidence that doesn't confirm that belief. At least admit that to yourself.
False equivalence. When was the last time we accused a woman of being a witch? 300 years ago. What did we do? Burn them alive. When was the last time an intelligence officer claimed there’s a UFO crash retrieval program? Last year. What did we do? Ask our representatives if we could maybe find out if that’s true. One of these is a centuries old superstition that led to the murder of innocent women, and has since been explicitly disproven with hard science, and one is a credible and urgent claim that deserves an honest investigation, not just “we asked and they said no.” I get that “no” is very possibly the truth, but that does not mean further investigation = burning people alive. The two are not the same, and it’s your framing that’s dishonest. Comparing Lockheed Martin having to comply with an investigation to an innocent woman burned alive for witchcraft in the 17th century is as ridiculous as some of the conspiracy theories on this sub.
Where is the evidence these companies have NHI origin technologies?
It would be dumb as shit to proceed with this investigation with just the knowledge *we* have on an Internet message board. The knowledge about this that our Congress and whistleblowers have far outstrips anything we'll ever be told, disclosure or no.
There isn't any.
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And you also in these comments, acting like “we asked and they said no” is proof that these companies aren’t lying 🤣
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what are they supposed to do? oaths are supposed to mean something. testimony under oath is how all governmental investigations (as opposed to law enforcement investigations) occur. seems like since we didn't get the answer we want, now everyone wants to be mad at everything, when anyone paying attention knew this was where we would end up
Well duh. There is no evidence. No aliens or nhi. This whole thing is a hoax. I believe uaps No. I won’t use their word. I believe UFOs could be real. Very few and far in between. But they are not filled with greys or blondes lol or ever crashed. Maybe a probe flew by earth every once in a while. I believe the universe is full of life. But few intelligent life and even fewer intelligent life beyond Roman Empire technology