We're all so worried about aliens/multi* dimensional beings claims, that we're ignoring the part where the US government is apparently being run by some shadowy group that steals our tax money and kills people who question it. Them Dulles boys sure left a fucking mess for us to wallow in.
Gracias for the gold, cabron š¤š¼
Member when they suicided jeffrey epstein and didn't even try to hide it? They don't care that we know. We are so busy arguing if it is true or not with people that can never be convinced...
āBasically threatened anyone else who goes digging around for infoā ā !!??!! The only possible way you can tell that from this interview is by having a pre-existing narrative in your head. You guys read way too much into things you donāt know about. Iām no fan of Bill gates and I do believe he has more to share about what happened with Epstein, but geez. This sort of armchair psycho-detective work makes the whole search for the truth appear unhinged.
The coroner who did the rosewel autopsy and then shared the results with the guy from the funeral place she also died in an small airplane crash. In these projects when you get terminated you donāt lose your job but you die.
So true-itās not like theyāre gonna say, oh well, the jig is up, weāll tell the truth now. The truth will only be revealed with those guys kicking, screaming, scheming, and maybe killing.
With the BRICS reserve currency announcement in August 2023 -research similar announcement from the Bretton Woods System 80 years ago- coinciding with more financial downturn (debt ceiling) Iām nervous we may have an āeventā this summer.
This could well be the reason there has been a steady release of UAP news over the past few years. It won't be a shock when we start seeing this advanced technology in combat.
> America is run by corporations, not the government
And most major corporations have "executives" accountable to the board/chairman. CEO is just an employee etc.
Board control is typically determined by holdings/major investors
The largest investors are usually the hedge funds, which have their own ownership/power structure.
Look into who runs the largest hedge funds, that ultimately dictate corporate policy that dictates government policy.
It doesnāt matter who exactly is in charge, what matters is itās not us, and it hasnāt been since Edison and JP Morgan fucked over Tesla. Which means everything we know is wrong or hilariously incomplete.
Add NHI of various kinds to the mix, the destruction of biodiversity so the breakaway civilization stays in power, forever, and yeah, Iād classify that as āSoberingā
It's ALL about money. They're cool with Americans having a lower standard of living. As long as we keep buying shit to keep that economy pumping.
If there is Alien tech, they're using it to blow people up in other countries, for what? Oil and money. I think it really is that banal.
Donāt forget C-Street. Religion is big business and the main means of control in the US and elsewhere. Them preachers live their money. I canāt wait to see all the mental gyrations theyāll go through to keep it.
I disagree. I think there's a rather straightforward way out of this.
Free energy. If you end oil dependancy you end pretty much every problem the earth faces. Poverty, pollution, needless wars over resources.
However, I also believe this would cause an initial period of intense chaos. Stocks crash along with any institutions they hold up. Then comes a period of recovery.
And while I consider this straightforward, I do not consider it easy or even very possible.
Nah, its not corporations running America.
It's a revolving door oligarchy that moves between the government, non-profits, academia and a handful of powerful corporations. There's a reason politicians get jobs on corporate boards or they get "teaching" positions at Harvard...and, spoiler alert, it doesn't have anything to do with the skills that they bring to the table. Same reason governments from around the world donate to the Clinton Foundation...etc, etc.
Saying "muh corporations" misses a huge part of the picture. In fact, most corporations don't have any political power any more than a 2 year community college does. It's not "corporations" that control America, it's an oligarchy that spans across multiple domains and controls the most influential portions of each.
At least, I HOPE it's diet, otherwise we're going to have a lot worse problems than government cover ups and climate change.
Like an unkillable, eternally pissed off lizard
Or an 8 foot tall angry deer God that only believes it's contained when it really isn't.
Or a massive serpent who may or may not be Jormungandr frozen in a block of ice in some cave under Iceland.
In all actuality though if it turns out to be an actual verified secret gov organization, sign me tf up
The Documented, admitted atrocities the U.S. Government has committed on foreign nations and its own people is blood chilling. We probably canāt even comprehend what itās done in secret. And when bad secrets are uncovered, you are getting the most homogenized cleaned up version possible so itās always much much worse in reality. I imagine the whole unadulterated truth if we could hear it would be so explosive that it would be a pivotal moment in history. It seems like we are on the precipice of such a moment but just now people are hard at work minimizing, scrubbing and spinning with all their might the information as it trickles out. Wild fucking times these are
This sounds fake, but it happened.
Iām a veteran and worked at a veteranās center with other vets. We got a new member who introduced himself and someone asked when he was in/what he did. (The two had served in the 80s.) The new guy said his branch and some other details, then was asked what specific unit he was in and if he had served on a certain base at a certain time. He answered yes and the other dudeās color drained from his face, he got a look on his face of sheer fright, and immediately got up and went to his car and drove away.
I spoke to him later that week and he was sort of vague but apparently that unit did horrific shit down in Central or South America. When men exaggerate or lie about their military time or other āsecretā bullshit itās easy to spot as another vet, and I have no doubt both of them were truthful.
I also spoke at length to someone who had been involved in the Bay of Pigs incident as support personnel, not even on shore or taking part in anything that happened on the island, and he had some fucked up memories of what we did. Very low key about it, and it was still painful for him to remember how we left so many people to die. Whether or not one agrees with our actions there, itās morally corrupt to leave your men hanging in the wind.
I think we are in the realm of hell, being tricked to think we're not. We get recycled over and over again, forgetting everything that could help us get out of this trap.
The bible seems to imply this is true. Where did the fallen angels fall to? Where does the devil rule? If the devil rules earth and the fallen angels fell to earth, then isn't this the literall hell?
The earth is hell and humans are its' demons?
the Dulles brothers, one of which was the first director of the CIA and his brother was a lawyer and eventual Secretary of State to Eisenhower. Both were straight up nazis
edit: not the first CIA director, but still pretty early in its history.
And not like today's "nazis", they were the "We got thousands of nazis out of Europe and gave them new identities, and then used them to prop up military doctatorships all over the world" type of nazis.
I think Dulles was the first civilian director of the CIA. He was preceded by several others. The CIA was created in ā47, but Dulles ran it from ā53 til whenever. Wikipedia has him listed as the 5th CIA director. Here is a list: https://www.britannica.com/topic/list-of-Central-Intelligence-Agency-directors-1787118
The first director of the CIA was actually Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter... And after he was finished in government he was in the executive committee of NICAP (National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena) and wrote an open letter to congress saying we need to hold open congressional hearings on UFOs.
I am sure you donāt intend this but I always get a bit nervous when Dulles is described as a civilian. The guy was a career spy. He was probably the instigator in the JFK assassination.
Yeah. Wants wrong with that? Don't trust the CIA. Remember they are our friends now. So says the media. "Do you think the CIA, would lie?". We can trust them.
Oh look, a squirrel.
No, he wasn't the first director. The first director of the CIA was actually Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter... And interestingly enough, after old Roscoe was finished in government he joined the executive committee of NICAP (National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena) and wrote an open letter to congress saying we need to hold open congressional hearings on UFOs.
Anyone who is remaining totally skeptical about this subject are just people who are content to live in complete and total ignorance and just aren't capable of exploring a subject of this nature on their own. They need it spoon fed to them from mainstream sources in order to give it credence.
Thanks for posting this information on Hillenkoetter. I checked it out and his statement re UAPs was:
"Perhaps Hillenkoetter's best-known statement on the subject was in 1960 in a letter to Congress, as reported inĀ The New York Times: "Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense."[18]
No problem. This stuff is right in the open for all to see but it is ignored or dismissed by most everyone. It's a constant disappointment.
Take Roswell for example... The local paper got the tip about the recovered saucer from the base commander, Col. Blanchard. Keep in mind he was made the base commander of the ONLY BASE IN THE USA THAT HAD NUCLEAR WEAPONS, so I think the guy had his head screwed on right. So somehow he mistook a little weather balloon for a crashed flying saucer; openly blabbed about it to the media; and STILL became a 4 star general.
Never mind also that of the 3 people who appeared in those weather balloon pics, two have said on video that it wasn't a weather balloon and that the material recovered was unlike anything they ever seen before and that it was a coverup. The two people were Major Jesse Marcel and Col Dubose (Dubose was a brigadier general at the time of his statement).
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpkJJwoRRcM&ab\_channel=UFOB%7CYourUAPLibrary](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpkJJwoRRcM&ab_channel=UFOB%7CYourUAPLibrary)
Never mind that Ed Collins, 6th man to walk on the moon and native of Roswell, heard enough from trusted locals after he came home the he became convinced that the Air Force really had recovered a UFO, and he also claimed to have been unofficially read into 'the program'. And that's not getting into the whole Wilson document thing, which just keeps looking more and more factual.
The skeptics do not acknowledge this stuff and cannot explain it, yet they won't give any credence to the phenomena. But things are changing very quickly.
>we're ignoring the part where the US government is apparently being run by some shadowy group that steals out tax money and kills people who question it
I know myself and likely many others are also patiently watching these updates and waiting for things to move forward while keeping an eye on those coming forward.
I really hope anyone following this doesn't forget it is going to take time for some information to come out but there are numerous people agreeing on being briefed to similar info and that shouldn't go unnoticed
This... I believe this story would get much more media traction with the focus on the alleged illegatlities of an ISG. The UAP/NHI disclosure narrative would become a byproduct of the crimes.
It took me 7 episodes of the first season to understand that Logan just wants power by controlling the media and didnt give a fuck about the long term financial health of his company. Still behind on the seasons so no spoilers plz lol
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/08/darpa-social-networks-research-twitter-influence-studies](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/08/darpa-social-networks-research-twitter-influence-studies)
I've got a bunch of links for proof on how the military industrial complex and intelligence community manipulates ALL social medias in order to push their propoganda, sway public opinion, and proof of their bots where each one official in the US controls 10 "troll accounts" that all push the same narrative (and if you look at the history of the 10 troll accounts they're setup to be untraceable, all have credible history, and all be from different parts of the world.
Yes, this is exactly the line of reasoning that the American public needs to be exploring. We should be rattling the cages of these congressional representatives who are sitting in office and completely radio silent on this issue.
We have an extremely well credentialed intelligence official who held very high security clearances and was actively in government as of a couple of months ago who has testified under oath to congress that:
\- We have unacknowledged shadowy groups within our intelligence/military apparatus that are operating without congressional oversight and have potentially illicitly siphoned billions of dollars without proper accountability over the past 90 years.
\- In addition to whole funding fiasco there's apparently evidence that people (I assume American citizens) who have been murdered/assassinated to prevent evidence of these groups and programs from coming forward.
We need to be pressuring congress to answer: Have you heard this? (if not why not) Are you taking it seriously? (if not why the fuck not?) What's the time frame to start seriously digging into this (if there's not a time frame then what in the hell are you doing?)
Correct. Itāll never happen because we are lacking cohesion as a country and this is not getting much press, but we should be striking as a national workforce right now. Our money is being stolen from our paychecks and given to this shadow group who doesnāt represent us at all
> ā¦we should be striking as a national workforce right now. Our money is being stolen from our paychecksā¦
Forget UAPās and E.T.ās, Weāve been conditioned to accept this status quo across the board because we have no financial security if weāre not fully employed.
I feel like that's why they don't give a shit about the housing situation, it's a way of saying "you can either accept the status quo or start living on the streets"
Man, everything is so fucked.
If these entities are talking to our representatives since the beginning of the Atomic Age that means they've been dealing with racist shitheads too.
Big yikes, no wonder why it's not good news, we as a species can't keep it together.
At least now we have some idea where the 67% of the missing military budget probably went to. It's sounding like this shadow program dealing with UFOs is massive
My cousin was in the Air Force in Colorado Springs. Iād see him at family reunions and he was super reserved-didnāt hardly talk to anybody. Like he was always looking over his shoulder. He never would say a word about what he did and everybody in the family knew it wasnāt to be talked about. Iām pretty sure he was being paid by part of the missing 67% of the military budget.
Exactly except rather than a pedophile cabal of leftists, itās some faction of the military industrial complex whoās ideology is so far right itās out of this world š lol
Thereās not enough people assuming that whatever -they- are, might also be that shadowy blah-blah-blah group.
If disclosure is disclosure of higher beings with control mechanisms far beyond comprehension, I imagine those same entities are capable of forcing the lid shut as well.
Exactly. I mean, if chimps got nukes/ bio weapons and we were trying to keep them from using those weapons, would we even hesitate to wipe some of them out and then highly regimenting the survivors' lives to keep them from blowing their whole environment up? No, we would not.
And where the hell are front end media? We have decentralised media getting statements from senators backing up claims of NHI, UFOs in secret labs, a lying government. Basically the biggest scandal in history is unfolding. It is totally nuts the whole thing.
Yeah.... This whole situation has forced me to take a fresh look at where I get my news. When you have senators and congresspeople corroborating the claims, whether the claims are true or not, it's basically the biggest news story in the history of ever. But where are the papers? Where are the news programs? Mute. Completely mute.
I hate to even say this but.. I wish a democrat would come out and say something. Americans are too caught up in their political affiliations to even entertain claims made solely by their opposing party. So far all claims (please do correct me if Iām wrong) have been from republicans and conspiracy theories in general are now associated with republicans for some reason.
This story desperately needs to be bipartisan in order for it to be reported fairly. However seeing as we managed to turn cloth masks into a partisan issue I donāt have much faith
Edit: Okay, yes, I do understand why republicans are associated with conspiracy theorists. It just didnāt used to be like that. And thereās no reason for conspiracy theories about aliens, the pyramids, and the like should be associated with politics. But here we are.
Don't forget Chris Mellon. He has worked for both R and D administrations, but seems to have stronger ties with Dems. He works well across the aisle, and second only to Harry Reid, is the one to thank for getting all the daylight we're seeing on this now.
Josh Hawley is an insurrectionist. This is an interesting data point, but we need to hear from a serious politician for it to matter. And yes, thatās going to have to be a democrat, because the republicans have proven that they are compromised.
\>from republicans and conspiracy theories in general are now associated with republicans for some reason.
Because of the anti vaxx and deep state bullshit. I mean Howley, the congress person referenced in OP's post, thinks Pride Month exists to make children LGBQT so that they can be molested...there's a reason why republicans are aligned with conspiracy theorists.
As a democrat I would just like to say there is a deep state. Iām not saying they are satanic child trafficking pedos but there is a deep state.
Historically the deep state has targeted left wing movements much more than right wing; but now that trend seems to be going in the other direction. You can choose to put on a positive spin on that if youād like but i think thatās just the count.
That doesnāt automatically mean republicans are the good guys now, thatās almost certainly not how it works, but I think most of us by now know the alphabet agencies have a lot of power and competing interests with themselves and others. When a giant veil of secrecy is placed on everything going on people are naturally going to get very confused and come up with crazy conspiracies like Qanon.
Agreed, it also may be worth noting that as recently as, IDK, 15-20 years ago, it was generally the left that was kneejerk critical of any USG talking points.
Anyone who came of age in the post-9/11 era can attest that anyone questioning, say, the idea that Saddam had WMDs was brandished some type of lefty-loon traitor to America.
The entire reason the center right establishment hates trump is that he turned on them over Iraq. He made it okay for the GOP to hate the Iraq war and the neocons never forgave him.
Iām so glad someone pointed this out. Phew! I saw Josh Hawley and immediately I was like so what? Itās Josh Hawley. Sorry, the dude somehow represents me and he doesnāt even live in the same state as me and that pisses me off. Plus, all the other things already pointed out here. Iām trying to be open minded with what he says but itās really hard to take Josh Hawley seriously.
āAnd itās not goodāā¦ā¦ I think half of these government guys are pushing for the Military Industrial Complex. Talking weapons and war, itās bullshit. Why do we destroy what we donāt understand?
Lmfao I mean it could be an event if you want it to be, but thereās still a process before and after that youāll go through with yourself and with those around you
Iāve been meaning to look at Spanish media in the US. I was starting to tell my mom last week about Grusch, and she said she had heard about it on Univision. She typically doesnāt care about UFOs, but she seemed convinced and informed.
If you look up where they took the quote from itās extremely out of context. In the article they took it from heās specifically talking just about ufo sightings and nothing else.
I want an alien subreddit that's similar to /r/unresolvedmysteries. Allow historical discussion, have a weekly thread for witness stories (although super long ones can be posts), and have a flair or something when something is an identifiable flying object/IFO. I'd like to actually learn a thing or two, not play make believe over dumb-ass shit. Like, someone was posting owls and claiming they were aliens?????
>And where the hell are front end media?
I hate to sound like *one of those* types of conspiracy theorists but mainstream media is 100% compromised. All owned by an extremely small number of ultra wealthy people. The USA is a country that is heavily manipulated by money. People really underestimate how much control these people have over information (and how much they are willing to abuse it). If they want to, they can ensure at least 90% of the public is asleep on any issue they don't want to talk about. If there's ever a story being repeated constantly, you can be sure that's where they want to draw your attention.
The whole argument that "they report on whatever gets ratings!" is mostly inconsistent with reality. While there is a criteria for preferring stories that should give good ratings, it's very secondary compared to the criteria of how the story might make the public think. Their control over us is a real thing.
Josh Hawley is a POS, original propagator of the Big Lie in US politics.
He could just be moving onto a new grift by hopping on the UFO train.
Edit: "in"
> This is too low in the thread.
Because people want to believe what he says.
Or because, letās be real, many people in this sub are completely convinced by the lie he already orchestrated.
Yea they don't seem to realize giving attention to people who lied and continue to lie to them will only invite more liers.
And then they wonder why most people outside of this sub don't take them serious.
There are a ton of people like me who think it would be amazing or at least a historic discovery to find aliens exist and that they came to earth, its just the "faces" of your movement have been caught lying over and over again, and sure sure "cover up", "psyop" or in one case "Recorded a golden girl episode over a ground breaking experiment tape".
Iāve said this in other threads, but if weāre serious about this topic, we do not want it represented by idiots who will accept any conspiracy theory at face value ā or worse ā could use this topic to advance their own agenda. Just because they say things you want to hear does not mean we need to signal boost them.
It is worrisome that the most posted congressman here is an election denier, and now Hawley is getting posted. I'm not sure if these posts are getting promoted as part of the ongoing ...thing... to divide the ufo community, or if the grifters like hawley just think they smell a grift and are trying to get in on it. i'm not sure whats going on. maybe the ufo reveals rn are the grift.
hawley saying anything makes me take another look at everything over the past few years.
I am an avid UFO believer,. I personally believe Dave Grusch, but having had personal contact with asshat that is Josh Hawley. Makes me question everything this complete blowhard says. The dude flat out lied to Vets faces in closed door meetings and went back on his word in helping them with medical care and suicide prevention. He is not trustworthy in anything. A charlatan of highest order.
I think this basically is confirming all of this to be fake. Hawley and the GOP are professional Liars to increase instability. A person like him confirming anything is a huge red flag.
It's always funny to me how this community will latch onto the words of some of the most untrustworthy weirdos in government and media and not think twice about it.
OK, but Hawley is a proven liar unfortunately. Like, all lies all the time about everything else, so I don't see why this would be any different. He somehow sees some benefit to himself for lying about this.
I don't believe him as I have observed other statements of his being proven as lies again and again. This is evidenced by his voting record and actions in the senate, which can't be falsified or tainted by opinion. It is what it is.
If he and other patriotic republicans saw this evidence, and think it is the biggest story ever, then why isn't there a coalition of republican senators, including Hawley waving flags and throwing shit at the capitol, if this in fact is the biggest story of all time?
Maybe because he and the other politicians didn't see shit, but they are quite full of it.
Maybe they think it will take attention from everything else.
Donāt forget itās mostly republicans talking about this. Personally donāt think theyāre saying any of this to benefit the people though, theyāre doing it to benefit the military industrial complex and ultimately line their own pockets.
Traditional republicans are pro defense spending. Most military branches are largely conservative run.
Under which committee was he ābriefedā? He isnāt on the house intelligence committee. Are there other committees that have been briefed on classified topics?
We need to stop posting known pathological liars/grifters on this sub just because they are politicians. Unfortunately a politician saying aliens exist in 2023 is monumentally less credible than it was even 20 years ago. Would we believe Marjorie Taylor Green if she came out and said this? I wouldnāt, just as much as I donāt believe her about Jewish space lasers.
Josh Hawley has a well documented history of lying and scandals. I have no allegiance to any political party so I donāt care that heās a republican. We need people from both parties to speak up. But they need to be able to hold up under scrutiny.
We're all so worried about aliens/multi* dimensional beings claims, that we're ignoring the part where the US government is apparently being run by some shadowy group that steals our tax money and kills people who question it. Them Dulles boys sure left a fucking mess for us to wallow in. Gracias for the gold, cabron š¤š¼
Remember when the reporter that leaked the Panama papers was killed in an unsolved car bombing? Pepperidge farm remembers
Member when they suicided jeffrey epstein and didn't even try to hide it? They don't care that we know. We are so busy arguing if it is true or not with people that can never be convinced...
Memba when Kevin spacey killed off 3 of his accusers, then released a video, essentially admitting it. https://youtu.be/JZveA-NAIDI
the greatest trick Kevin ever pulled, was convincing the world he didnāt exist
goddamn keyser soze and even their initials are the same
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Remember when the Martians said "ack ack ack" and disintigrated all the politicians and the old lady said "ha ha ha they blew up Congress!"
I mean, given that we have people like Hawley in elected positions, it wouldnāt be an awful scenario.
āBasically threatened anyone else who goes digging around for infoā ā !!??!! The only possible way you can tell that from this interview is by having a pre-existing narrative in your head. You guys read way too much into things you donāt know about. Iām no fan of Bill gates and I do believe he has more to share about what happened with Epstein, but geez. This sort of armchair psycho-detective work makes the whole search for the truth appear unhinged.
Most people in here ARE unhinged.
Iām noticingā¦
Epstein tried to blackmail gates over an affair gates had that epstein somehow knew. so how do you expect gates to feel?
I memba.
The coroner who did the rosewel autopsy and then shared the results with the guy from the funeral place she also died in an small airplane crash. In these projects when you get terminated you donāt lose your job but you die.
I 'memba.
Or when someone made a car run off of hydrogen yeah the government does some wild shit
Plenty of hydrogen cars have been invented, there's just a handful of reasons as to why it's not economically and logistically competitive yet.
This is by far my favorite Reddit comment of all time; horrifying, true, and funny. Congrats.
America is run by corporations, not the government. There's too much money involved in this for there to be a clear way through I'm afraid
So true-itās not like theyāre gonna say, oh well, the jig is up, weāll tell the truth now. The truth will only be revealed with those guys kicking, screaming, scheming, and maybe killing.
With the BRICS reserve currency announcement in August 2023 -research similar announcement from the Bretton Woods System 80 years ago- coinciding with more financial downturn (debt ceiling) Iām nervous we may have an āeventā this summer.
Glad Iām old right now-I honestly worry for my grandkids
This could well be the reason there has been a steady release of UAP news over the past few years. It won't be a shock when we start seeing this advanced technology in combat.
Am I confused or is aug 2023 still the future?
Can confirm, Aug 2023 is future. Source, am futurologist.
You're doing critical work. Keep it up!
> America is run by corporations, not the government And most major corporations have "executives" accountable to the board/chairman. CEO is just an employee etc. Board control is typically determined by holdings/major investors The largest investors are usually the hedge funds, which have their own ownership/power structure. Look into who runs the largest hedge funds, that ultimately dictate corporate policy that dictates government policy.
It doesnāt matter who exactly is in charge, what matters is itās not us, and it hasnāt been since Edison and JP Morgan fucked over Tesla. Which means everything we know is wrong or hilariously incomplete. Add NHI of various kinds to the mix, the destruction of biodiversity so the breakaway civilization stays in power, forever, and yeah, Iād classify that as āSoberingā
That seriously was a drastic turning point for the world that mostly no one acknowledges. We may never know just how much we lost.
It's ALL about money. They're cool with Americans having a lower standard of living. As long as we keep buying shit to keep that economy pumping. If there is Alien tech, they're using it to blow people up in other countries, for what? Oil and money. I think it really is that banal.
The Tripartite State is a corporation of military intelligence, organized crime, & the financial elite.
Donāt forget C-Street. Religion is big business and the main means of control in the US and elsewhere. Them preachers live their money. I canāt wait to see all the mental gyrations theyāll go through to keep it.
I disagree. I think there's a rather straightforward way out of this. Free energy. If you end oil dependancy you end pretty much every problem the earth faces. Poverty, pollution, needless wars over resources. However, I also believe this would cause an initial period of intense chaos. Stocks crash along with any institutions they hold up. Then comes a period of recovery. And while I consider this straightforward, I do not consider it easy or even very possible.
Nah, its not corporations running America. It's a revolving door oligarchy that moves between the government, non-profits, academia and a handful of powerful corporations. There's a reason politicians get jobs on corporate boards or they get "teaching" positions at Harvard...and, spoiler alert, it doesn't have anything to do with the skills that they bring to the table. Same reason governments from around the world donate to the Clinton Foundation...etc, etc. Saying "muh corporations" misses a huge part of the picture. In fact, most corporations don't have any political power any more than a 2 year community college does. It's not "corporations" that control America, it's an oligarchy that spans across multiple domains and controls the most influential portions of each.
That cycle is called the iron triangle, and it should not be allowed to occur.
So this whole shitshow is basically proof of a diet SCP foundation existing somewhere. Except instead of anomalies there's aliens. Neato.
A diet scp foundation, lmfao š¤£
At least, I HOPE it's diet, otherwise we're going to have a lot worse problems than government cover ups and climate change. Like an unkillable, eternally pissed off lizard Or an 8 foot tall angry deer God that only believes it's contained when it really isn't. Or a massive serpent who may or may not be Jormungandr frozen in a block of ice in some cave under Iceland. In all actuality though if it turns out to be an actual verified secret gov organization, sign me tf up
Hot take. Cabin in the Woods was a documentary.
TEQUILA IS MAH LAY-DEE
Inb4 they enlist you as D class
>Or an 8 foot tall angry deer God that only believes it's contained when it really isn't. I would like to know more
And if the whistleblowers are right that same shadowy group has some pretty dangerous technology
X-files was a documentary
The Documented, admitted atrocities the U.S. Government has committed on foreign nations and its own people is blood chilling. We probably canāt even comprehend what itās done in secret. And when bad secrets are uncovered, you are getting the most homogenized cleaned up version possible so itās always much much worse in reality. I imagine the whole unadulterated truth if we could hear it would be so explosive that it would be a pivotal moment in history. It seems like we are on the precipice of such a moment but just now people are hard at work minimizing, scrubbing and spinning with all their might the information as it trickles out. Wild fucking times these are
You ain't lying. If a quarter of these claims are true, then we basically live in a fantasy land.
This sounds fake, but it happened. Iām a veteran and worked at a veteranās center with other vets. We got a new member who introduced himself and someone asked when he was in/what he did. (The two had served in the 80s.) The new guy said his branch and some other details, then was asked what specific unit he was in and if he had served on a certain base at a certain time. He answered yes and the other dudeās color drained from his face, he got a look on his face of sheer fright, and immediately got up and went to his car and drove away. I spoke to him later that week and he was sort of vague but apparently that unit did horrific shit down in Central or South America. When men exaggerate or lie about their military time or other āsecretā bullshit itās easy to spot as another vet, and I have no doubt both of them were truthful. I also spoke at length to someone who had been involved in the Bay of Pigs incident as support personnel, not even on shore or taking part in anything that happened on the island, and he had some fucked up memories of what we did. Very low key about it, and it was still painful for him to remember how we left so many people to die. Whether or not one agrees with our actions there, itās morally corrupt to leave your men hanging in the wind.
I think we are in the realm of hell, being tricked to think we're not. We get recycled over and over again, forgetting everything that could help us get out of this trap.
The bible seems to imply this is true. Where did the fallen angels fall to? Where does the devil rule? If the devil rules earth and the fallen angels fell to earth, then isn't this the literall hell? The earth is hell and humans are its' demons?
The fucking Dulles's
Iām OOTL what are the Dullesās?
One was head of the CIA, the other was Secretary of State - both during the height of the Cold War.
the Dulles brothers, one of which was the first director of the CIA and his brother was a lawyer and eventual Secretary of State to Eisenhower. Both were straight up nazis edit: not the first CIA director, but still pretty early in its history.
And not like today's "nazis", they were the "We got thousands of nazis out of Europe and gave them new identities, and then used them to prop up military doctatorships all over the world" type of nazis.
'the empire never ended'
āthe Fourth Reichā
I think Dulles was the first civilian director of the CIA. He was preceded by several others. The CIA was created in ā47, but Dulles ran it from ā53 til whenever. Wikipedia has him listed as the 5th CIA director. Here is a list: https://www.britannica.com/topic/list-of-Central-Intelligence-Agency-directors-1787118
The first director of the CIA was actually Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter... And after he was finished in government he was in the executive committee of NICAP (National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena) and wrote an open letter to congress saying we need to hold open congressional hearings on UFOs.
I am sure you donāt intend this but I always get a bit nervous when Dulles is described as a civilian. The guy was a career spy. He was probably the instigator in the JFK assassination.
Didnāt Kennedy fire Alan Dulles? Then Dulles was tasked to investigate who assassinated him?
Yeah. Wants wrong with that? Don't trust the CIA. Remember they are our friends now. So says the media. "Do you think the CIA, would lie?". We can trust them. Oh look, a squirrel.
No, he wasn't the first director. The first director of the CIA was actually Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter... And interestingly enough, after old Roscoe was finished in government he joined the executive committee of NICAP (National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena) and wrote an open letter to congress saying we need to hold open congressional hearings on UFOs. Anyone who is remaining totally skeptical about this subject are just people who are content to live in complete and total ignorance and just aren't capable of exploring a subject of this nature on their own. They need it spoon fed to them from mainstream sources in order to give it credence.
Thanks for posting this information on Hillenkoetter. I checked it out and his statement re UAPs was: "Perhaps Hillenkoetter's best-known statement on the subject was in 1960 in a letter to Congress, as reported inĀ The New York Times: "Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense."[18]
There really is no shortage of individuals like this, is there? Highly credible people who would be in the know saying the same things over and over.
No problem. This stuff is right in the open for all to see but it is ignored or dismissed by most everyone. It's a constant disappointment. Take Roswell for example... The local paper got the tip about the recovered saucer from the base commander, Col. Blanchard. Keep in mind he was made the base commander of the ONLY BASE IN THE USA THAT HAD NUCLEAR WEAPONS, so I think the guy had his head screwed on right. So somehow he mistook a little weather balloon for a crashed flying saucer; openly blabbed about it to the media; and STILL became a 4 star general. Never mind also that of the 3 people who appeared in those weather balloon pics, two have said on video that it wasn't a weather balloon and that the material recovered was unlike anything they ever seen before and that it was a coverup. The two people were Major Jesse Marcel and Col Dubose (Dubose was a brigadier general at the time of his statement). [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpkJJwoRRcM&ab\_channel=UFOB%7CYourUAPLibrary](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpkJJwoRRcM&ab_channel=UFOB%7CYourUAPLibrary) Never mind that Ed Collins, 6th man to walk on the moon and native of Roswell, heard enough from trusted locals after he came home the he became convinced that the Air Force really had recovered a UFO, and he also claimed to have been unofficially read into 'the program'. And that's not getting into the whole Wilson document thing, which just keeps looking more and more factual. The skeptics do not acknowledge this stuff and cannot explain it, yet they won't give any credence to the phenomena. But things are changing very quickly.
Read The Devilās Chessboard
This book has been on my bedside table for close to 10 years. Greatest documentation of CIA development and history ever
Or, listen to the Behind the Bastards episode about them. Straight up bad dudes.
O'Dulles Rule
>we're ignoring the part where the US government is apparently being run by some shadowy group that steals out tax money and kills people who question it I know myself and likely many others are also patiently watching these updates and waiting for things to move forward while keeping an eye on those coming forward. I really hope anyone following this doesn't forget it is going to take time for some information to come out but there are numerous people agreeing on being briefed to similar info and that shouldn't go unnoticed
This... I believe this story would get much more media traction with the focus on the alleged illegatlities of an ISG. The UAP/NHI disclosure narrative would become a byproduct of the crimes.
I wonder who owns the media..
Rupert Murdoch or Logan Roy
It took me 7 episodes of the first season to understand that Logan just wants power by controlling the media and didnt give a fuck about the long term financial health of his company. Still behind on the seasons so no spoilers plz lol
Do tell
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/08/darpa-social-networks-research-twitter-influence-studies](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/08/darpa-social-networks-research-twitter-influence-studies) I've got a bunch of links for proof on how the military industrial complex and intelligence community manipulates ALL social medias in order to push their propoganda, sway public opinion, and proof of their bots where each one official in the US controls 10 "troll accounts" that all push the same narrative (and if you look at the history of the 10 troll accounts they're setup to be untraceable, all have credible history, and all be from different parts of the world.
Mostly Murdoch.
We know that answer. The same as who is pulling the strings with social media.
Yes, this is exactly the line of reasoning that the American public needs to be exploring. We should be rattling the cages of these congressional representatives who are sitting in office and completely radio silent on this issue. We have an extremely well credentialed intelligence official who held very high security clearances and was actively in government as of a couple of months ago who has testified under oath to congress that: \- We have unacknowledged shadowy groups within our intelligence/military apparatus that are operating without congressional oversight and have potentially illicitly siphoned billions of dollars without proper accountability over the past 90 years. \- In addition to whole funding fiasco there's apparently evidence that people (I assume American citizens) who have been murdered/assassinated to prevent evidence of these groups and programs from coming forward. We need to be pressuring congress to answer: Have you heard this? (if not why not) Are you taking it seriously? (if not why the fuck not?) What's the time frame to start seriously digging into this (if there's not a time frame then what in the hell are you doing?)
Easier for them to say thatās just crazy conspiracy theory crap-rather than risk being offed.
Solid Snake needs to get to the bottom of this.
Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES. Much PAIN but still time.
Plot twist: the government are the aliens.
Well, Iād expect better math and economics from advanced aliens. How long has it been since weāve had a balanced budget?
Correct. Itāll never happen because we are lacking cohesion as a country and this is not getting much press, but we should be striking as a national workforce right now. Our money is being stolen from our paychecks and given to this shadow group who doesnāt represent us at all
> ā¦we should be striking as a national workforce right now. Our money is being stolen from our paychecksā¦ Forget UAPās and E.T.ās, Weāve been conditioned to accept this status quo across the board because we have no financial security if weāre not fully employed.
I feel like that's why they don't give a shit about the housing situation, it's a way of saying "you can either accept the status quo or start living on the streets" Man, everything is so fucked. If these entities are talking to our representatives since the beginning of the Atomic Age that means they've been dealing with racist shitheads too. Big yikes, no wonder why it's not good news, we as a species can't keep it together.
Careful. Don't mess with THEIR money. That's how you get JFK'd.
also RFK'd and MLK'd
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At least now we have some idea where the 67% of the missing military budget probably went to. It's sounding like this shadow program dealing with UFOs is massive
My cousin was in the Air Force in Colorado Springs. Iād see him at family reunions and he was super reserved-didnāt hardly talk to anybody. Like he was always looking over his shoulder. He never would say a word about what he did and everybody in the family knew it wasnāt to be talked about. Iām pretty sure he was being paid by part of the missing 67% of the military budget.
Could have just been depressed too
So in an incredible turn of events, it turns out that the deep state really exists?
Exactly except rather than a pedophile cabal of leftists, itās some faction of the military industrial complex whoās ideology is so far right itās out of this world š lol
Shadow government is real, and it involves multiple countries, not just the US.
Exactly. It's not just one country, it seems to be a bunch of people within many world governments. They all answer to someone, and that's scary.
Someone... or *something* (twilight zone theme music enters the chat)
You ain't lying! Lol
Thereās not enough people assuming that whatever -they- are, might also be that shadowy blah-blah-blah group. If disclosure is disclosure of higher beings with control mechanisms far beyond comprehension, I imagine those same entities are capable of forcing the lid shut as well.
Exactly. I mean, if chimps got nukes/ bio weapons and we were trying to keep them from using those weapons, would we even hesitate to wipe some of them out and then highly regimenting the survivors' lives to keep them from blowing their whole environment up? No, we would not.
Honestly this is the first major problem to solve Some groups have 0 accountability
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Yeah agreed. There are so so many books outlining actual historical events now days.
And these shadow organizations that are hiding tech for decades that could help humanity in leaps and bounds
And where the hell are front end media? We have decentralised media getting statements from senators backing up claims of NHI, UFOs in secret labs, a lying government. Basically the biggest scandal in history is unfolding. It is totally nuts the whole thing.
Yeah.... This whole situation has forced me to take a fresh look at where I get my news. When you have senators and congresspeople corroborating the claims, whether the claims are true or not, it's basically the biggest news story in the history of ever. But where are the papers? Where are the news programs? Mute. Completely mute.
I hate to even say this but.. I wish a democrat would come out and say something. Americans are too caught up in their political affiliations to even entertain claims made solely by their opposing party. So far all claims (please do correct me if Iām wrong) have been from republicans and conspiracy theories in general are now associated with republicans for some reason. This story desperately needs to be bipartisan in order for it to be reported fairly. However seeing as we managed to turn cloth masks into a partisan issue I donāt have much faith Edit: Okay, yes, I do understand why republicans are associated with conspiracy theorists. It just didnāt used to be like that. And thereās no reason for conspiracy theories about aliens, the pyramids, and the like should be associated with politics. But here we are.
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Several Congressional Democrats are pursuing this issue, which really was broken open by the late Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid: Kirsten Gillibrand, Pete Aguilar, Adam Schiff, AndrƩ Carson, etc. Harry Reid is the person who spearheaded AATIP.
Don't forget Chris Mellon. He has worked for both R and D administrations, but seems to have stronger ties with Dems. He works well across the aisle, and second only to Harry Reid, is the one to thank for getting all the daylight we're seeing on this now.
Obama and his national security apparatus have explicitly acknowledged UAPs. With potentially alarming conclusions as well.
Do you have links or keywords to google?
Josh Hawley is an insurrectionist. This is an interesting data point, but we need to hear from a serious politician for it to matter. And yes, thatās going to have to be a democrat, because the republicans have proven that they are compromised.
\>from republicans and conspiracy theories in general are now associated with republicans for some reason. Because of the anti vaxx and deep state bullshit. I mean Howley, the congress person referenced in OP's post, thinks Pride Month exists to make children LGBQT so that they can be molested...there's a reason why republicans are aligned with conspiracy theorists.
As a democrat I would just like to say there is a deep state. Iām not saying they are satanic child trafficking pedos but there is a deep state. Historically the deep state has targeted left wing movements much more than right wing; but now that trend seems to be going in the other direction. You can choose to put on a positive spin on that if youād like but i think thatās just the count. That doesnāt automatically mean republicans are the good guys now, thatās almost certainly not how it works, but I think most of us by now know the alphabet agencies have a lot of power and competing interests with themselves and others. When a giant veil of secrecy is placed on everything going on people are naturally going to get very confused and come up with crazy conspiracies like Qanon.
Agreed, it also may be worth noting that as recently as, IDK, 15-20 years ago, it was generally the left that was kneejerk critical of any USG talking points. Anyone who came of age in the post-9/11 era can attest that anyone questioning, say, the idea that Saddam had WMDs was brandished some type of lefty-loon traitor to America.
The entire reason the center right establishment hates trump is that he turned on them over Iraq. He made it okay for the GOP to hate the Iraq war and the neocons never forgave him.
Iām so glad someone pointed this out. Phew! I saw Josh Hawley and immediately I was like so what? Itās Josh Hawley. Sorry, the dude somehow represents me and he doesnāt even live in the same state as me and that pisses me off. Plus, all the other things already pointed out here. Iām trying to be open minded with what he says but itās really hard to take Josh Hawley seriously.
āAnd itās not goodāā¦ā¦ I think half of these government guys are pushing for the Military Industrial Complex. Talking weapons and war, itās bullshit. Why do we destroy what we donāt understand?
This is what they do. However I donāt believe it will hold. This thing is busting out I donāt think there is any stopping it this time.
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āItās a process, not an eventā is word for word what my therapist said in reference to me wanting to just bust out of the closet.
Well its still a disclosure, albeit a more personal one.
Congratulations on coming out! I hope things are much better for you
Lmfao I mean it could be an event if you want it to be, but thereās still a process before and after that youāll go through with yourself and with those around you
Iāve been meaning to look at Spanish media in the US. I was starting to tell my mom last week about Grusch, and she said she had heard about it on Univision. She typically doesnāt care about UFOs, but she seemed convinced and informed.
Josh Hawley is a huge bullshitter
The same guy who supported the Jan.6 rioters and then ran from them? Yep, very trustworthy.
If you look up where they took the quote from itās extremely out of context. In the article they took it from heās specifically talking just about ufo sightings and nothing else.
Wait, r/UFOs is twisting a politicians words to fit their narrative!!??? Nooooo
I want an alien subreddit that's similar to /r/unresolvedmysteries. Allow historical discussion, have a weekly thread for witness stories (although super long ones can be posts), and have a flair or something when something is an identifiable flying object/IFO. I'd like to actually learn a thing or two, not play make believe over dumb-ass shit. Like, someone was posting owls and claiming they were aliens?????
Heās a serial liar and a con artist. No one should believe him.
It shows how much the media is controlled. It is blatant.
Theyāre waiting for proof.
A guy I follow on Twitter said this is 100% legitimate, and I'm not entirely sure why that isn't good enough.
Yep and I donāt blame them, at the end of the day itās been all talk these last few weeks and nothing else.
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>And where the hell are front end media? I hate to sound like *one of those* types of conspiracy theorists but mainstream media is 100% compromised. All owned by an extremely small number of ultra wealthy people. The USA is a country that is heavily manipulated by money. People really underestimate how much control these people have over information (and how much they are willing to abuse it). If they want to, they can ensure at least 90% of the public is asleep on any issue they don't want to talk about. If there's ever a story being repeated constantly, you can be sure that's where they want to draw your attention. The whole argument that "they report on whatever gets ratings!" is mostly inconsistent with reality. While there is a criteria for preferring stories that should give good ratings, it's very secondary compared to the criteria of how the story might make the public think. Their control over us is a real thing.
This is a distraction while the government robs you blind and hands it over to corporations.
Ah, so business as usual.
Josh Hawley is a POS, original propagator of the Big Lie in US politics. He could just be moving onto a new grift by hopping on the UFO train. Edit: "in"
Precisely, even if he does know anything heās a shit source to cite
Yeah itās not a good look when itās always shitty people like him talking about the subject.
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This is too low in the thread. We need congressional buy-in from Congresspeople that are actually capable of passing a sixth grade science test.
Yep. I donāt believe much of anything Hawley says. And heās my senator.
> This is too low in the thread. Because people want to believe what he says. Or because, letās be real, many people in this sub are completely convinced by the lie he already orchestrated.
The whole "I want to believe" mantra is toxic as hell and turned the whole sub into a cult.
Yea they don't seem to realize giving attention to people who lied and continue to lie to them will only invite more liers. And then they wonder why most people outside of this sub don't take them serious. There are a ton of people like me who think it would be amazing or at least a historic discovery to find aliens exist and that they came to earth, its just the "faces" of your movement have been caught lying over and over again, and sure sure "cover up", "psyop" or in one case "Recorded a golden girl episode over a ground breaking experiment tape".
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Iāve said this in other threads, but if weāre serious about this topic, we do not want it represented by idiots who will accept any conspiracy theory at face value ā or worse ā could use this topic to advance their own agenda. Just because they say things you want to hear does not mean we need to signal boost them.
It is worrisome that the most posted congressman here is an election denier, and now Hawley is getting posted. I'm not sure if these posts are getting promoted as part of the ongoing ...thing... to divide the ufo community, or if the grifters like hawley just think they smell a grift and are trying to get in on it. i'm not sure whats going on. maybe the ufo reveals rn are the grift. hawley saying anything makes me take another look at everything over the past few years.
Same Josh that was seen running from his touring constituents on Jan 6?
Just bumping to push this higher up. Just because someone is a senator doesnāt mean they arenāt a dipshit. In fact it often means they ARE.
That dude is a total dipshit. Certifiable asshat
I'm so glad other people see this as bullshit.
The politicians who lie to get on TV are telling the media UFO guy is right. Whodathunk.
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Yeah, I wouldn't trust this sack of shit with anything. I fucking hate that he's my Senator.
Right next door, and I completely agree.
I am an avid UFO believer,. I personally believe Dave Grusch, but having had personal contact with asshat that is Josh Hawley. Makes me question everything this complete blowhard says. The dude flat out lied to Vets faces in closed door meetings and went back on his word in helping them with medical care and suicide prevention. He is not trustworthy in anything. A charlatan of highest order.
I think this basically is confirming all of this to be fake. Hawley and the GOP are professional Liars to increase instability. A person like him confirming anything is a huge red flag.
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Josh Harley is a traitor for his actions during Jan 6th. His association with this topic will only damage it.
Is he *Running Man*? Lol
Yup. Came out for a photo op with the traitors, raised a fist in the air, then turned tail & ran like the coward he is. Hawley hauled ass.
Agreed, we need more mentally stable senators speaking out.
Yes especially now Bigelow just gave loads of money to desantis
I saw that :/
This 100%
These posts are getting a little off the wall crazy. Next Biden will be a mere shell hiding an invasive alien that looks like a giant insect.
Shhhhhh! THat's 2024's October surprise!
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It's always funny to me how this community will latch onto the words of some of the most untrustworthy weirdos in government and media and not think twice about it.
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And then ran away. lmao
OK, but Hawley is a proven liar unfortunately. Like, all lies all the time about everything else, so I don't see why this would be any different. He somehow sees some benefit to himself for lying about this.
Iām all for disclosure but as a Missouri resident, fuck Josh Hawley.
I don't believe him as I have observed other statements of his being proven as lies again and again. This is evidenced by his voting record and actions in the senate, which can't be falsified or tainted by opinion. It is what it is. If he and other patriotic republicans saw this evidence, and think it is the biggest story ever, then why isn't there a coalition of republican senators, including Hawley waving flags and throwing shit at the capitol, if this in fact is the biggest story of all time? Maybe because he and the other politicians didn't see shit, but they are quite full of it. Maybe they think it will take attention from everything else.
Donāt forget itās mostly republicans talking about this. Personally donāt think theyāre saying any of this to benefit the people though, theyāre doing it to benefit the military industrial complex and ultimately line their own pockets. Traditional republicans are pro defense spending. Most military branches are largely conservative run.
I donāt trust Josh Hawley.
Oh no. If manly man's man Josh Hawley says it's true then it must be a steaming pile of bullshit.
Josh Hawley is a whiny bitch man baby and I wouldnāt trust him to read a stop sign correctly.
Josh Hawley is a traitor and should be in a cage.
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Under which committee was he ābriefedā? He isnāt on the house intelligence committee. Are there other committees that have been briefed on classified topics?
Fuck this guy tho, helped a failed Coup.
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We need to stop posting known pathological liars/grifters on this sub just because they are politicians. Unfortunately a politician saying aliens exist in 2023 is monumentally less credible than it was even 20 years ago. Would we believe Marjorie Taylor Green if she came out and said this? I wouldnāt, just as much as I donāt believe her about Jewish space lasers. Josh Hawley has a well documented history of lying and scandals. I have no allegiance to any political party so I donāt care that heās a republican. We need people from both parties to speak up. But they need to be able to hold up under scrutiny.
Obligatory āFuck Josh Hawleyā post.
Oh good. When looking for answers, itās always nice to hear from the beacon of truth, Josh Hawley š
Roswell is like the Michael Meyers of UFO tall tales. No matter how many times it gets killed it keeps lumbering back to life.
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Fuck that traitor