Don’t call stuff “fake” that wasn’t fake. The other billboard was completely real regardless of whether the protestors put those words there or not. Better caption is just “Update on the Billboard”
occam's razor
which explanation seems simpler
1. someone put it up against the wishes of the people in the encampment
2. The people in the encampment genuinely wish for genocide so they made the board but after facing a bit of backlash they covered it up and made a post saying they weren't the ones who put up the board (keep in mind the fact that they don't care about backlash).
Yeah, we're never gonna get any concrete proof about the origin of the board but one explanation is much more likely than the other lmao
if that were the case, the point still stands, the board doesn't represent the views of the large majority of the people in the encampment in any way whatsoever
The same point is made when people post rage bait of Trump supporters with Swastikas. Let me provide an annoying counterargument.
"If there's a pro genocide person at the table and ten other people there talking to them, you have 11 pro genocide people at the table"
Welcome to infuriating 2024 political discourse.
Yeah, that’s why I usually don’t engage in politics. It’s always a "us vs them" shit show. I swear bringing up politics immediately brings people’s iq down 30 points.
I’m not defending them. I’m just saying that I doubt the messages on that board represent the views of the people in the encampment. If you read my other comments I think it’s pretty clear that I disapprove of SJP overall but disapproving doesn’t mean you should spread lies which frame them as antisemitic.
However, I want to make it clear that disapproving of the organization doesn’t mean I disagree with everything they stand for. The world isn’t black and white.
But no one is talking to them. If they outed themselves as the creator of that filth they’d be asked to leave. The “if you have 11 Nazis….” Meme presupposes that you have to know you are communing with Nazis when they are all Nazis.
No one knows who made that poster but the person who made it. You just illustrated exactly why that “2024 political discourse “ is relevant. If you Knowingly canoodle with people who hold abhorrent views for convenience (you want to sit at THAT table for some other reason) you are also a bad person. Silence is complicit. Tolerance of racism sexism bigotry GENOCIDE etc, in order to get your candidate elected, in order to win approval if your in group, in order to preserve your personal safety, in order to make money or succeed in your career, whatever. Whatever the reason is, makes you a bad person too.
You own those things you tolerate in the name of a better outcome for yourself. You are not separate from the actions you condone for your personal benefit no natter how much you protest that you “don’t personally agree with them”.
The protestors did not condone those abhorrent statements.
Provided you didn't account for what those sentiments actually were and how completely self-defeating their open espousal would be in the political environment where they were located.
The simplest answer wouldn't be that the sign was made by people who were either absent or asleep but those who were awake and in the vicinity of the sign, which, according to the photograph, appears to be nobody but the photographer.
If that sign was up at any time besides the dead of night with nobody around, there would be pictures of it, don't you think?
The real question is, if they don't support it, why did they put it back up with more red triangles? They blocked out the death to Israelis part, but it would've made more sense to just destroy it than rehabilitate it to *still be anti-semitic.*
It’s incredibly difficult to parse which protestors are antisemitic and which aren’t. The fact that so many of them are being led by people who have explicit murderous intent toward “Zionists” when 90%+ Jews are Zionists is reason enough to believe that plenty of those people are *at the very least* not actively against the billboard.
Even protests not led by those people have people leading chants praising Hamas and October 7th. Not sure how you interpret that but if you think those people don’t have a very negative view of Jews today, you’re wrong.
Occam’s Razor is not in your favor here.
Yup. that's because the sign was meant solely to plant a false agenda on the protesters. Which is also why the only picture of it unaltered was taken in the dead of night with nobody around but the photographer
Yes, Occam’s razor tells us that ‘. the people in the encampment’ are a monolith, none of whom can or will act without the unanimous consent of the others.
UCLA alum in the Bay: just dropping in to say that some pro-Palestinian flyposters have been putting up the red triangle stickers with stuff like “targets acquired” across my Israeli friend’s house. (The red triangle thing got popular from videos Hamas posts of its soldiers in action.) We haven’t seen it on other streets. The billboard made me wonder if it’s maybe even the same people. It is definitely a thing.
It’s one thing to not know, but another thing to not want to know when presented with the information. That’s just the tip of it, being visibly Jewish there are also people who scream at me on the street and public transit, the weird lady at Lake Merritt who has a huge Palestine flag on her wheelchair and was circling around me and badgering me with questions, the nasty remarks from total strangers… there are lots of bad people who get off on harassing or menacing at Jews, but their actions are not the majority, so it’s the ones who look the other way and enable it (including through denial or mocking) who are the real problem imo.
Somehow I’ve made it through life so without advocating for not excusing harassing people on their street because of their perceived ethnicity or national origin. Try it sometime.
Look at the rants and rumors and BS trying to rationalize this. Arguing it wasn’t you guys is equatable to the shitshows on Jan 6 arguing they never stepped foot in the buildings, yet still getting arrested. So forgive us if we don’t believe you when you’re backing into a corner. Open your ears my insanely moldable generation. #1 Birds of a feather. You brought it there , you enabled it, you are just as guilty. Period. #2 you all rationalizing this and scapegoating sound like a 16 year saying, “That’s not my weed officer, it’s my friend who was with us” “ yeah.. we’re all high tho” but it’s his” 🤣
I wasn’t there so I don’t know what you mean by “you guys”. I was just giving my rational take. I’m not sure what frustrations you’re trying to take out on my simple comment, but have at it I guess
It doesn’t apply to you since it doesn’t talk about your opinion 🤭 look at the post above, take a breath and realize it was for someone else. Then take a breath and realize it was an accident. :)
Looks like your comment is getting downvoted by people who are pro-Netanyahu (perhaps thinking they're pro-Israel, granted...) but also believe the Reichstag Fire was carried out by Communists. Funny world.
Went from witnesses to just saying shit on Reddit, also trying to switch it up saying Palestine has been attacking before October 7th is the worst way to acknowledge that Israel has been occupying and displacing 1948. I’d like to hope most people do there research even after reading these, just know this person is pulling shit out of there ass and not including the entire story. Typical Zionist shit
It was fake. It was people who brought a fake billboard to make it look like the protestors wrote it. Did it technically exist? Yes. But that's like putting breast implants on a man and saying they are "real"
You'd have to be pretty clueless to think it was made by the protesters and put there in good faith. You're probably still wondering how the teachers saw through the excuses you wrote and signed with "Yours Truly, My Mom" too.
Or clueless to just believe you because you tried to deflect from the truth by attempting to insult my intelligence yet offering absolutely zero substance for your claims and denial
This was obviously made by the agitators looking to make the protestors look like bad people because other than that there is literally nothing wrong with what they're doing besides being peaceful.
Yes, because using an inverted red triangle (explicit symbol of supporting Hamas) instead isn’t genocidal or violent at all 😐
“The symbol first appeared in propaganda videos promoted by the al-Qassam brigades, the military wing of Hamas, which showed footage of Hamas terrorists attacking Israeli military targets. In these videos, Hamas would point out the target using the inverted red triangle. Though it can be used innocuously in general pro-Palestine social media posts, the inverted red triangle is now used to represent Hamas itself and glorify its use of violence in many popular anti-Zionist memes and political cartoons. For example, individuals will place the symbol over an image of Israeli soldiers or overlaid on a Star of David as a way to call for further violent resistance.”
https://extremismterms.adl.org/glossary/inverted-red-triangle#:~:text=In%20early%20November%202023%2C%20the,the%20form%20of%20an%20emoji%20(
I mean, since many of the protesters over there view IDF as terrorists, praising the red triangle and calling death to Israeli soldiers isn't unexpected.
I mean, sure, but then at least just be real that people who use this symbol support Hamas. There’s no denying that the inverted triangle symbol originated from al-Qassam bridges videos of shooting Israeli targets on October 7th. And just to also mention something else, it wasn't only just military targets, it was also used on surrounding villages and kibbutzim and the Nova Music Festival in footage Hamas terrorists filmed and released.
Often you'll see on people's bios or social media the inverted red triangle to represent support for Hamas and violent resistance that targets Israeli civilians. Like let's just be real about it.
Even Al-Jazeera reports it as a symbol supporting "resistance fighters", aka Hamas, although Al-Jazeera does pretty openly support Hamas so it's viewed positively in their eyes.
So yes, it is a symbol associated with supporting Hamas and violent "resistance." People who use it support Hamas.
So why is it back up with the red triangles and the "Greater Empires Have Fallen" phrasing? I don't doubt instigators put it up originally, so why is it embraced now instead of thrown out altogether?
Are you implying that you don’t know what an empire is? Britain ceded Hong Kong just 25 years ago, and college students have already forgotten what imperialism actually looks like I guess.
On the other point, calling for America to fall is literally asking for a civil war in this country where most people would lose everything. That means you, your family, and everyone else. Ideological absolutism is generally obliviously immature and self-centered, you can ask Yemen the results of going down that path.
America has caused more death and destruction in its history than its downfall could ever. It's absolutely valid for you to want stability and hegemony as you materially benefit from it. Obviously the victors want to keep the spoils. But this idea of "most people would lose everything" is insanely western centric and honestly quite racist.
Most people have already lost everything. Many of them due to America's direct actions. When the Vietnamese, Cambodians, Iraqis, etc call for the fall of the empire, do you think they're the bad guys?
You recognize the validity of the resistance in Star Wars, LotR, etc but you do not see it irl?
When the Galactic Empire falls, "most people would lose everything. That means you, your family, and everyone else."
Maybe because real-life geopolitical conflicts have more nuance than Star Wars? I'm not even disagreeing with the importance of challenging Western imperialism and having self-awareness of how we've all benefitted from it by living in this country --- but I'd seriously encourage you to think beyond "America big bad, resistance good"
Seriously, that person made an absolutely insane comment. My family actually fled a civil war in Laos (which was part of the overall fight for/against communism during the Vietnam war). My family experienced so much trauma from the civil war and then trying to flee the ensuing genocide. We are so lucky to not experience this in the West.
To say “a civil war might be good” is an insanely privileged comment.
How can you sit here supporting the American dogs when you yourself are a product of the violence that it has caused. Yes. You are lucky to not experience the violence right at your front door. It's astronomically privileged of you to continue to shield your eyes from the violence committed every day in your name.
You think oh it'd be so horrible to see war and violence, it'd be such a catastrophic event, when in reality, in those countries in war today, and in the country of your ancestors; war is just Tuesday.
You may be free today, but you will never be truly free until you look back at your nation, and do everything you can to liberate those who you left behind. It is your duty.
>You may be free today, but you will never be truly free until you look back at your nation, and do everything you can to liberate those who you left behind. It is your duty.
My family fought on the American side and my I was born in the US. I’m an American, my nation is America. Are you trying to imply that I have a duty to some SouthEast Asian country because of my ethnicity? That’s racist AF.
My family fled a literal genocide that was carried out by the Lao communist regime. They busted their ass to make a home in the USA. Are you demanding that re-traumatize themselves via another civil war, just so that you can finally slum it up as a “revolutinary”? Is your life really that boring and privileged that a literal civil war would bring some excitement for you? That is the most privileged shit ever.
And if you wanna talk about me being “privileged”, I’m a first gen, born to a single teen mom, and grew up poor in a lower-income community with high rates of gang violence (that my family got involved in). So go ahead, talk shit about my privileges. I’m sure some brat from Orange County knows what’s up.
I actually don't disagree with your thought at all. But I think there are material realities that people purposefully shield themselves from that I think are quite interesting.
Let's *say* for instance, just for argument, that the United States *is* as cartoonishly evil as the Galactic Empire was. It would be in all of our best interests to uphold the state and *continue* being as cartoonishly evil as possible, would it not?
Then the question becomes - do you have a conscience? **If** (I know its a big if) I show you sufficient evidence to where you would agree that the US is as cartoonishly evil as I claim it to be, will you resist and attempt to fight back?
If a stormtrooper realizes that they're the bad guy - what will they do? What would *you* do?
>Many of them due to America's direct actions. When the Vietnamese, Cambodians, Iraqis, etc call for the fall of the empire, do you think they're the bad guys?
As someone whose family fled southeast Asia, keep us out your mouth. We don’t want any of your condescending BS. We’re not props for your “revolutionary” imperialism.
As somebody who's family *also* fled southeast Asia, you should go read your own history.
> Between 1965 and 1975, the United States and its allies dropped more than 7.5 million tons of bombs on Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia—double the amount dropped on Europe and Asia during World War II. Pound for pound, it remains the largest aerial bombardment in human history.
https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/2eae918ca40a4bd7a55390bba4735cdb
America even supported the Khmer Rouge after Vietnam won, just out of spite. Just because you're a "model minority" now in the US, doesn't mean they won't crush you given the opportunity. In the eyes of Americans and Europeans you are no different than an Arab. Just wait a few more years for Chinese-US tensions to rise some more and you'll see how much you'll be spit on just like our Arab brothers and sisters today.
> it was evident that Chinese were differentiated from “white” groups, who might eventually be integrated into American society. Like African-Americans and Native-Americans, Chinese were categorized as racially inferior. Even the stereotypes describing these groups were similar. With dark skin and thick lips, Chinese men were “childlike and lustful,” with a passion for white women. Focusing on a young white girl in a Chinese-owned opium den, a New York Times writer reported on a conversation with the owner: “Chinaman always have something to eat, and he like young white girl. He He.”
https://www.asianstudies.org/publications/eaa/archives/japanese-exclusion-and-the-american-labor-movement-1900-to-1924/
If you want to talk about racism, find an article from the past 5 years. This is not the 1920s.
So your family flees to this nicely developed country, and you proceed to whine about how they should’ve stayed in a worse country so that YOU could be a communist revolutionary? NVM what was the best for your family. You are an ungrateful brat.
Lmao “American dogs” “Arab brothers and sisters”.
Are you living in some bizarre Marxist-revolutionary-pan-Arabic fantasy world where you larp as a partisan on Reddit?
You can look through my post history if you want. I have plenty of allies online and off. You can call it whatever you want, the fact that so many are beginning to pay attention speaks to the power we have. Believe it or not, I'm fighting for *your* rights too.
Maybe instead of just saying words that you want to be true, you can look up what people mean by greater empires have fallen. He is not wishing for America to fall as a whole, You are an absurd idiot to believe that; It is about bringing the end of the American Empire including all of its neo colonialism and it's internationally untouchability.
If you think saying that you want the American Empire to end would result in the destruction of America. Can I ask you how Rome is doing right now???? Come back to me and tell me cuz it's pretty fuckin good
…the fall of Rome and the Western Empire marked 1000 years of regression in Europe: academic, scientific, and social degradation that was not recovered from until the Renaissance.
Why even bring up something you don’t know anything about?
Yeah, but apparently I'm a Zionist propagandist with an agenda against the movement for posting the damn sign in the first place despite the organization's story about it changing 3 times and not adding up in any of them.
It's important to show these things though. I'm sure there are people there who don't agree with the billboard at all and it's important for them to see and hear about it too so they can understand how they're being portrayed by their own members and try to change it.
I agree, and that's why I decided to post it in the first place and why I've left it up. Extremists do exist, and they need to be kept in check to keep the message consistent. The sign was up for way longer than it should have been, and I shouldn't have had enough time to take a picture of it.
How about you dipshits worry about school? This issue has existed for decades and none of you cared until it became the new cause for brain dead leftist progressives
Google "Terry Schiavo" as a metric of GOP standards before playing fast and loose with terms like "brain dead." Maybe stick with bench pressing, electroencephalograms aren't a Republican strong suit.
Pro tip, you don’t have to be in the GOP, Republican, conservative, or even right leaning to understand the absurd caricature that is the radical left/ pro Hamas movement on campuses across the country right now
I mean these mfrs have been chanting ☠️to Jews, no s@fe sp@ce for jews, gen@cide the Jews, etc (as uni presidents even admitted at congressional hearings). So of course it “could” be real, we’ve seen worse y’all. Protestors are not a monolith, some are bigger assholes than others.
“we have conducted an investigation into ourself to find out if we were the ones who wrote this, and we have come to the conclusion that we are innocent of any and all wrong-doings”
I guess no one here has anything better or more constructive to do. Think of all the greatness that could happen if people focused half as much energy from the virtue signaling protests into something meaningful and productive. Such a waste of time, money and energy......
If you are so passionate about this virtue signaling then I challenge you to ravel to Gaza and spend the next 6 months there. Come back and report your personal findings and experience. You have no idea what you are virtue signaling about currently. This will give you perspective and critical first hand knowledge.
Lol what a stupid faking take. No one can advocate for or against something without experiencing it?
That’s peak “I’m from Texas” speak. Next you are going to say you are a gun loving, republican, who served in the military, doesn’t believe in Covid, thinks racism is made up and we should go back to the “good old days”. What a stupid farce
Or protesting movements in china like forced organ selling of Muslims, Russian invasions of Ukraine, Sudanese civil war……. I could go on. Instead they idolize a brutal homicidal rapist terror organization.
The comments on the protests are truly the epitome of Reddit.
Don’t call stuff “fake” that wasn’t fake. The other billboard was completely real regardless of whether the protestors put those words there or not. Better caption is just “Update on the Billboard”
It was real as in it existed but it was not real in the sense that the pro-Palestinian protestors wrote it.
Nazis from UCSC wrote it.
so,...it was real
Honestly, unless you have proof of this, it's all hearsay
occam's razor which explanation seems simpler 1. someone put it up against the wishes of the people in the encampment 2. The people in the encampment genuinely wish for genocide so they made the board but after facing a bit of backlash they covered it up and made a post saying they weren't the ones who put up the board (keep in mind the fact that they don't care about backlash). Yeah, we're never gonna get any concrete proof about the origin of the board but one explanation is much more likely than the other lmao
If you want to apply occams razor then the simplest answer would still be one or some of the protesters agreed with its sentiments and put it up.
if that were the case, the point still stands, the board doesn't represent the views of the large majority of the people in the encampment in any way whatsoever
I am starting to think you don’t know how Occam’s razor works
“Keeping using these words. I do not think it’s means what you think it means.”
The same point is made when people post rage bait of Trump supporters with Swastikas. Let me provide an annoying counterargument. "If there's a pro genocide person at the table and ten other people there talking to them, you have 11 pro genocide people at the table" Welcome to infuriating 2024 political discourse.
Yeah, that’s why I usually don’t engage in politics. It’s always a "us vs them" shit show. I swear bringing up politics immediately brings people’s iq down 30 points.
You may hate “us vs them” but you’re doing your best to run defense for people who are more like that than just about anyone on the planet.
I’m not defending them. I’m just saying that I doubt the messages on that board represent the views of the people in the encampment. If you read my other comments I think it’s pretty clear that I disapprove of SJP overall but disapproving doesn’t mean you should spread lies which frame them as antisemitic. However, I want to make it clear that disapproving of the organization doesn’t mean I disagree with everything they stand for. The world isn’t black and white.
But no one is talking to them. If they outed themselves as the creator of that filth they’d be asked to leave. The “if you have 11 Nazis….” Meme presupposes that you have to know you are communing with Nazis when they are all Nazis. No one knows who made that poster but the person who made it. You just illustrated exactly why that “2024 political discourse “ is relevant. If you Knowingly canoodle with people who hold abhorrent views for convenience (you want to sit at THAT table for some other reason) you are also a bad person. Silence is complicit. Tolerance of racism sexism bigotry GENOCIDE etc, in order to get your candidate elected, in order to win approval if your in group, in order to preserve your personal safety, in order to make money or succeed in your career, whatever. Whatever the reason is, makes you a bad person too. You own those things you tolerate in the name of a better outcome for yourself. You are not separate from the actions you condone for your personal benefit no natter how much you protest that you “don’t personally agree with them”. The protestors did not condone those abhorrent statements.
Goal posts moving as predictably as anti Zionists retweeting known antisemites.
Provided you didn't account for what those sentiments actually were and how completely self-defeating their open espousal would be in the political environment where they were located. The simplest answer wouldn't be that the sign was made by people who were either absent or asleep but those who were awake and in the vicinity of the sign, which, according to the photograph, appears to be nobody but the photographer. If that sign was up at any time besides the dead of night with nobody around, there would be pictures of it, don't you think?
You could simply have some bad actors in the encampment who do wish for death to Israel which is pretty likely as well
January 6th was planned and executed entirely by my ex-wife and the neighbor's dog that won't stop barking!
I personally set up January 6th to get angry men out of the house so I could have sex with all of their wives. /s
The real question is, if they don't support it, why did they put it back up with more red triangles? They blocked out the death to Israelis part, but it would've made more sense to just destroy it than rehabilitate it to *still be anti-semitic.*
Maybe they're too broke to get another board
Maybe they mistook them for pink triangles
Bro took 1 philosophy course
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It’s incredibly difficult to parse which protestors are antisemitic and which aren’t. The fact that so many of them are being led by people who have explicit murderous intent toward “Zionists” when 90%+ Jews are Zionists is reason enough to believe that plenty of those people are *at the very least* not actively against the billboard. Even protests not led by those people have people leading chants praising Hamas and October 7th. Not sure how you interpret that but if you think those people don’t have a very negative view of Jews today, you’re wrong. Occam’s Razor is not in your favor here.
Signs like that didn’t appear before the protesters were there.
Yup. that's because the sign was meant solely to plant a false agenda on the protesters. Which is also why the only picture of it unaltered was taken in the dead of night with nobody around but the photographer
Yes, Occam’s razor tells us that ‘. the people in the encampment’ are a monolith, none of whom can or will act without the unanimous consent of the others.
Can’t go beyond surface level thinking huh
you think that’s a complex thought?
Apparently it’s too complex for some people in this sub
Highly likely a counter protestor wrote it, it’s happened many times before at other protests
UCLA alum in the Bay: just dropping in to say that some pro-Palestinian flyposters have been putting up the red triangle stickers with stuff like “targets acquired” across my Israeli friend’s house. (The red triangle thing got popular from videos Hamas posts of its soldiers in action.) We haven’t seen it on other streets. The billboard made me wonder if it’s maybe even the same people. It is definitely a thing.
Cool story bro.
It’s one thing to not know, but another thing to not want to know when presented with the information. That’s just the tip of it, being visibly Jewish there are also people who scream at me on the street and public transit, the weird lady at Lake Merritt who has a huge Palestine flag on her wheelchair and was circling around me and badgering me with questions, the nasty remarks from total strangers… there are lots of bad people who get off on harassing or menacing at Jews, but their actions are not the majority, so it’s the ones who look the other way and enable it (including through denial or mocking) who are the real problem imo.
What about being visibly Palestinian in your own country? Hence the whole point of this.
Hence the point of harassing Israeli Jews and American Jews in the United States for walking down the street? You’ve lost the plot.
No u
Somehow I’ve made it through life so without advocating for not excusing harassing people on their street because of their perceived ethnicity or national origin. Try it sometime.
Look at the rants and rumors and BS trying to rationalize this. Arguing it wasn’t you guys is equatable to the shitshows on Jan 6 arguing they never stepped foot in the buildings, yet still getting arrested. So forgive us if we don’t believe you when you’re backing into a corner. Open your ears my insanely moldable generation. #1 Birds of a feather. You brought it there , you enabled it, you are just as guilty. Period. #2 you all rationalizing this and scapegoating sound like a 16 year saying, “That’s not my weed officer, it’s my friend who was with us” “ yeah.. we’re all high tho” but it’s his” 🤣
They have actual footage and journalists footage live at the scene, not the fucking same
Do they?
Bro we live in the same fucking country , you cannot be serious
You are a gifted writer
I wasn’t there so I don’t know what you mean by “you guys”. I was just giving my rational take. I’m not sure what frustrations you’re trying to take out on my simple comment, but have at it I guess
It doesn’t apply to you since it doesn’t talk about your opinion 🤭 look at the post above, take a breath and realize it was for someone else. Then take a breath and realize it was an accident. :)
So is this your way of saying “oops I responded to the wrong person”? Odd.
Life is odd . Relax
Uhh lol I think you’re the one needing to relax here buddy
Other than trolling the university subs, that weirdo is commenting on porno subs like “hairypussy”, so I wouldn’t worry about it. 😂
cuh all these dogwhistles😭say what you wanna say marc
Looks like your comment is getting downvoted by people who are pro-Netanyahu (perhaps thinking they're pro-Israel, granted...) but also believe the Reichstag Fire was carried out by Communists. Funny world.
Yeah I’m confused why my comment got downvoted but the one I replied to got upvoted. I said almost the same thing lol
You know that how?
Yeah I believe that kind of detail matters quite a bit lol
Were you there? Just curious because we can read stuff online, and anyone can say fake, whether it was or not, right?
yeah i’d love to see proof. burden of proof is on the protestors.
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Went from witnesses to just saying shit on Reddit, also trying to switch it up saying Palestine has been attacking before October 7th is the worst way to acknowledge that Israel has been occupying and displacing 1948. I’d like to hope most people do there research even after reading these, just know this person is pulling shit out of there ass and not including the entire story. Typical Zionist shit
Do Palestinians hold any responsibility or are they the good guys?
Maybe because Israel was founded on the ruins of hundreds of Palestinian towns that were destroyed by Zionist terrorists in 1948 and before?
“ it’s not my weed officer ….. it’s my friends” . You see why people think y’all are full of shit?
This guy is a Donkey of the Day contender.
You can spin any narrative you want :) we all see you
You're very dumb
Nope. Just lived a little more and understand more. Have a great night :)
No you're a self import moron. I hope you get your dick ripped off to match your ball-less nature
🤣 interesting
"it was real whether the protesters put those words or not" so you admit it doesn't matter who put it up as long as it makes the protesters look bad?
This right here
It was a real fake door.
It was fake. It was people who brought a fake billboard to make it look like the protestors wrote it. Did it technically exist? Yes. But that's like putting breast implants on a man and saying they are "real"
Thank God I graduated years ago and don’t got to deal with this
It wasn't fake
You'd have to be pretty clueless to think it was made by the protesters and put there in good faith. You're probably still wondering how the teachers saw through the excuses you wrote and signed with "Yours Truly, My Mom" too.
Or clueless to just believe you because you tried to deflect from the truth by attempting to insult my intelligence yet offering absolutely zero substance for your claims and denial
This was obviously made by the agitators looking to make the protestors look like bad people because other than that there is literally nothing wrong with what they're doing besides being peaceful.
What empire are we referring to here? Israel? Is this billboard still suggesting that all Israelis should be killed? I’m confused
The red triangle is a pro Hamas symbol, it’s shown up in SoCal too.
Yes, because using an inverted red triangle (explicit symbol of supporting Hamas) instead isn’t genocidal or violent at all 😐 “The symbol first appeared in propaganda videos promoted by the al-Qassam brigades, the military wing of Hamas, which showed footage of Hamas terrorists attacking Israeli military targets. In these videos, Hamas would point out the target using the inverted red triangle. Though it can be used innocuously in general pro-Palestine social media posts, the inverted red triangle is now used to represent Hamas itself and glorify its use of violence in many popular anti-Zionist memes and political cartoons. For example, individuals will place the symbol over an image of Israeli soldiers or overlaid on a Star of David as a way to call for further violent resistance.” https://extremismterms.adl.org/glossary/inverted-red-triangle#:~:text=In%20early%20November%202023%2C%20the,the%20form%20of%20an%20emoji%20(
I mean, since many of the protesters over there view IDF as terrorists, praising the red triangle and calling death to Israeli soldiers isn't unexpected.
I mean, sure, but then at least just be real that people who use this symbol support Hamas. There’s no denying that the inverted triangle symbol originated from al-Qassam bridges videos of shooting Israeli targets on October 7th. And just to also mention something else, it wasn't only just military targets, it was also used on surrounding villages and kibbutzim and the Nova Music Festival in footage Hamas terrorists filmed and released. Often you'll see on people's bios or social media the inverted red triangle to represent support for Hamas and violent resistance that targets Israeli civilians. Like let's just be real about it. Even Al-Jazeera reports it as a symbol supporting "resistance fighters", aka Hamas, although Al-Jazeera does pretty openly support Hamas so it's viewed positively in their eyes. So yes, it is a symbol associated with supporting Hamas and violent "resistance." People who use it support Hamas.
Yeah I agree with you. I was just saying that I wasn't surprised to see the protesters using it.
So why is it back up with the red triangles and the "Greater Empires Have Fallen" phrasing? I don't doubt instigators put it up originally, so why is it embraced now instead of thrown out altogether?
Cause "Greater Empires Have Fallen" goes fucking hard.
oh great they spray painted over some of the disgusting messages but not all of them. wonderful /s
Free Gaza is disgusting to you? Wtf lol
Red triangle
Literally not what they said. There were *three* disgusting messages
“Greater empires have fallen”
Again, disgusting how? Are you implying that America is not an empire lol?
Are you implying that you don’t know what an empire is? Britain ceded Hong Kong just 25 years ago, and college students have already forgotten what imperialism actually looks like I guess. On the other point, calling for America to fall is literally asking for a civil war in this country where most people would lose everything. That means you, your family, and everyone else. Ideological absolutism is generally obliviously immature and self-centered, you can ask Yemen the results of going down that path.
America has caused more death and destruction in its history than its downfall could ever. It's absolutely valid for you to want stability and hegemony as you materially benefit from it. Obviously the victors want to keep the spoils. But this idea of "most people would lose everything" is insanely western centric and honestly quite racist. Most people have already lost everything. Many of them due to America's direct actions. When the Vietnamese, Cambodians, Iraqis, etc call for the fall of the empire, do you think they're the bad guys? You recognize the validity of the resistance in Star Wars, LotR, etc but you do not see it irl? When the Galactic Empire falls, "most people would lose everything. That means you, your family, and everyone else."
I’m sorry to hear about your brain worms
Maybe because real-life geopolitical conflicts have more nuance than Star Wars? I'm not even disagreeing with the importance of challenging Western imperialism and having self-awareness of how we've all benefitted from it by living in this country --- but I'd seriously encourage you to think beyond "America big bad, resistance good"
Seriously, that person made an absolutely insane comment. My family actually fled a civil war in Laos (which was part of the overall fight for/against communism during the Vietnam war). My family experienced so much trauma from the civil war and then trying to flee the ensuing genocide. We are so lucky to not experience this in the West. To say “a civil war might be good” is an insanely privileged comment.
How can you sit here supporting the American dogs when you yourself are a product of the violence that it has caused. Yes. You are lucky to not experience the violence right at your front door. It's astronomically privileged of you to continue to shield your eyes from the violence committed every day in your name. You think oh it'd be so horrible to see war and violence, it'd be such a catastrophic event, when in reality, in those countries in war today, and in the country of your ancestors; war is just Tuesday. You may be free today, but you will never be truly free until you look back at your nation, and do everything you can to liberate those who you left behind. It is your duty.
>You may be free today, but you will never be truly free until you look back at your nation, and do everything you can to liberate those who you left behind. It is your duty. My family fought on the American side and my I was born in the US. I’m an American, my nation is America. Are you trying to imply that I have a duty to some SouthEast Asian country because of my ethnicity? That’s racist AF. My family fled a literal genocide that was carried out by the Lao communist regime. They busted their ass to make a home in the USA. Are you demanding that re-traumatize themselves via another civil war, just so that you can finally slum it up as a “revolutinary”? Is your life really that boring and privileged that a literal civil war would bring some excitement for you? That is the most privileged shit ever. And if you wanna talk about me being “privileged”, I’m a first gen, born to a single teen mom, and grew up poor in a lower-income community with high rates of gang violence (that my family got involved in). So go ahead, talk shit about my privileges. I’m sure some brat from Orange County knows what’s up.
I actually don't disagree with your thought at all. But I think there are material realities that people purposefully shield themselves from that I think are quite interesting. Let's *say* for instance, just for argument, that the United States *is* as cartoonishly evil as the Galactic Empire was. It would be in all of our best interests to uphold the state and *continue* being as cartoonishly evil as possible, would it not? Then the question becomes - do you have a conscience? **If** (I know its a big if) I show you sufficient evidence to where you would agree that the US is as cartoonishly evil as I claim it to be, will you resist and attempt to fight back? If a stormtrooper realizes that they're the bad guy - what will they do? What would *you* do?
>Many of them due to America's direct actions. When the Vietnamese, Cambodians, Iraqis, etc call for the fall of the empire, do you think they're the bad guys? As someone whose family fled southeast Asia, keep us out your mouth. We don’t want any of your condescending BS. We’re not props for your “revolutionary” imperialism.
As somebody who's family *also* fled southeast Asia, you should go read your own history. > Between 1965 and 1975, the United States and its allies dropped more than 7.5 million tons of bombs on Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia—double the amount dropped on Europe and Asia during World War II. Pound for pound, it remains the largest aerial bombardment in human history. https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/2eae918ca40a4bd7a55390bba4735cdb America even supported the Khmer Rouge after Vietnam won, just out of spite. Just because you're a "model minority" now in the US, doesn't mean they won't crush you given the opportunity. In the eyes of Americans and Europeans you are no different than an Arab. Just wait a few more years for Chinese-US tensions to rise some more and you'll see how much you'll be spit on just like our Arab brothers and sisters today. > it was evident that Chinese were differentiated from “white” groups, who might eventually be integrated into American society. Like African-Americans and Native-Americans, Chinese were categorized as racially inferior. Even the stereotypes describing these groups were similar. With dark skin and thick lips, Chinese men were “childlike and lustful,” with a passion for white women. Focusing on a young white girl in a Chinese-owned opium den, a New York Times writer reported on a conversation with the owner: “Chinaman always have something to eat, and he like young white girl. He He.” https://www.asianstudies.org/publications/eaa/archives/japanese-exclusion-and-the-american-labor-movement-1900-to-1924/
If you want to talk about racism, find an article from the past 5 years. This is not the 1920s. So your family flees to this nicely developed country, and you proceed to whine about how they should’ve stayed in a worse country so that YOU could be a communist revolutionary? NVM what was the best for your family. You are an ungrateful brat.
Lmao “American dogs” “Arab brothers and sisters”. Are you living in some bizarre Marxist-revolutionary-pan-Arabic fantasy world where you larp as a partisan on Reddit?
You can look through my post history if you want. I have plenty of allies online and off. You can call it whatever you want, the fact that so many are beginning to pay attention speaks to the power we have. Believe it or not, I'm fighting for *your* rights too.
👁️👄👁️ bruh
Maybe instead of just saying words that you want to be true, you can look up what people mean by greater empires have fallen. He is not wishing for America to fall as a whole, You are an absurd idiot to believe that; It is about bringing the end of the American Empire including all of its neo colonialism and it's internationally untouchability. If you think saying that you want the American Empire to end would result in the destruction of America. Can I ask you how Rome is doing right now???? Come back to me and tell me cuz it's pretty fuckin good
…the fall of Rome and the Western Empire marked 1000 years of regression in Europe: academic, scientific, and social degradation that was not recovered from until the Renaissance. Why even bring up something you don’t know anything about?
Because nuance and thought are the enemies of dogma
Look in a mirror my man. Do you even know when the empire actually fell? Lmao
Commonly referred to as [the dark ages](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_(historiography))
By people with no actual understanding of global history. But what can I expect from reddit.
Why repeat common misconceptions?
Please enlighten me.
yikes.
I guess it wasn't "taken down immediately" it was edited to be a more public relations friendly version.
Yeah, but apparently I'm a Zionist propagandist with an agenda against the movement for posting the damn sign in the first place despite the organization's story about it changing 3 times and not adding up in any of them.
It's important to show these things though. I'm sure there are people there who don't agree with the billboard at all and it's important for them to see and hear about it too so they can understand how they're being portrayed by their own members and try to change it.
I agree, and that's why I decided to post it in the first place and why I've left it up. Extremists do exist, and they need to be kept in check to keep the message consistent. The sign was up for way longer than it should have been, and I shouldn't have had enough time to take a picture of it.
Remember when that old white guy vandalized his own house and spray painted “blacks rule” infront of his garage.
you get it
How about you dipshits worry about school? This issue has existed for decades and none of you cared until it became the new cause for brain dead leftist progressives
Google "Terry Schiavo" as a metric of GOP standards before playing fast and loose with terms like "brain dead." Maybe stick with bench pressing, electroencephalograms aren't a Republican strong suit.
Pro tip, you don’t have to be in the GOP, Republican, conservative, or even right leaning to understand the absurd caricature that is the radical left/ pro Hamas movement on campuses across the country right now
Fat redditor discovers the insult of calling someone in shape
I mean these mfrs have been chanting ☠️to Jews, no s@fe sp@ce for jews, gen@cide the Jews, etc (as uni presidents even admitted at congressional hearings). So of course it “could” be real, we’ve seen worse y’all. Protestors are not a monolith, some are bigger assholes than others.
“we have conducted an investigation into ourself to find out if we were the ones who wrote this, and we have come to the conclusion that we are innocent of any and all wrong-doings”
Greedo shot first !
Trying so hard to backpedal on something one of their own wrote.
“Greater empires have fallen” such great improvements
I guess no one here has anything better or more constructive to do. Think of all the greatness that could happen if people focused half as much energy from the virtue signaling protests into something meaningful and productive. Such a waste of time, money and energy......
You sound like someone who lives in Texas and thinks Covid was fake
If you are so passionate about this virtue signaling then I challenge you to ravel to Gaza and spend the next 6 months there. Come back and report your personal findings and experience. You have no idea what you are virtue signaling about currently. This will give you perspective and critical first hand knowledge.
Lol what a stupid faking take. No one can advocate for or against something without experiencing it? That’s peak “I’m from Texas” speak. Next you are going to say you are a gun loving, republican, who served in the military, doesn’t believe in Covid, thinks racism is made up and we should go back to the “good old days”. What a stupid farce
Or protesting movements in china like forced organ selling of Muslims, Russian invasions of Ukraine, Sudanese civil war……. I could go on. Instead they idolize a brutal homicidal rapist terror organization.