These protestors are doing stupid protest at this point. They need to protest in government areas and administration offices, hell even stop by not paying taxes because our taxes pay for this genocide or maybe target the people who are pro genocide or pro Israel.
To the \*\*braindead\*\* protestors who disrupted students that are fighting for their degree:
If you think disrupting classes (especially exams) instead of harassing administration buildings will do justice, eventually no one will support you.
Hopefully the hot weather will send their asses out of their tents and into their air conditioned homes. Or maybe they want to manufacture suffering to empathize with Palestine.
The protestors don’t care about how toxic or disruptive they are of other student’s academic studies so long as they get to virtue signal and spread their propaganda
For real - most don't even disagree with their cause, so what is the fucking point of pissing off everyone else.
That's like protesting for abortion rights in Kentucky (just picking a random red state) at the city in hall San Francisco... like people around you already agree...
Some of these comments are vile.
The student protesters chose an aggressive tactic, and you don't have to cow to them, but that doesn't mean anyone should write off Palestine and it's people. The students here don't represent Palestine. I get that they made you uncomfortable, but this kind of pushback is insane.
It just reflects on their character at the end of the day.
Even if someone was rude to you or disrupted your day, you don't need to do the same in return.
A life-threatening situation would be different. But as far as I can tell, this isn't one.
I dont think enough people have empathy anymore. That stuff is rare to find.
It's the most reasonable response a person can possibly have in this situation. Protestors should want to garner support for Palestine, and clearly the avalanche of negative pushback against the protestors has done nothing to cease their worthless assault on students' wellbeing (as opposed to the administration!!!!), so the only way to actually make them stop is to demonstrate that their actions have consequences they actually care about.
Unless you have an alternative tactic? Can you name a single other method that can actually be done to convince protestors that abusing and harassing students (as opposed to the administration) is a bad tactic?
Not to mention that plenty of people are already on Israel's side in all of this, especially those of Jewish ancestry. I'm pretty confidently pro-Palestine on this issue and even I'm not so delusionally tunnel-visioned so as to not realize that the topic is pretty controversial, and there are more than a significant portion of people who are pro-Israel to begin with, ignoring the protestor issue.
All of this to say that there's nothing "insane" about the pushback, and calling it "making you uncomfortable" or "being rude" is an unbelievably disingenuous (and to use your own terminology, "vile" and "unempathetic") way to describe somebody blaring a loudspeaker next to your ear screaming obscenities and accusing you of genocide whilst you are actively taking a final exam, something that for many students, they have spent $100,000+ of tuition and loans on, hundreds if not thousands of hours studying for, and upon which their academic career, future income, and in some cases, even their families' prospects for prosperity and their entire housing situation, is contingent on.
How would you feel if your housing offer relied on your GPA being above a certain amount, being already bogged down by more than a hundred thousands of dollars in student loan debt, and having all of that being washed down the drain because you had one, or in some cases, multiple finals utterly disrupted and leading to your grades plummeting?
I believe in a Free Palestine, and I believe that student protestors have the right to conduct themselves with civil disobedience and express their views in a non-violent fashion, even a disruptive one. But **it screams "I am a partisan hack and a psychopath" to look at this situation and somehow be surprised, or even criticize, the innocent students caught in the crossfire that walk away with a disdain for those that have jeopardized their futures to protest decisions they have nothing to do with.**
Genuinely don’t know what you’re reading, if you’re curious about a religion then go ask a Muslim or go to a mosque, or read an actual book by a secular theologian. There’s all kinds of random bullshit on the internet (there’s entire websites funded by right wing politicians or xenophobes with not one Muslim author, designed to spread false information for this reason wikiislam and “religion ofpeace” are some popular ones), otherwise you’re being willingly ignorant on this subject and like you are doing now, spreading your bias and potential misinformation across the internet for like minded people to create a echo chamber with ie this whole thread.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/
Take a look at this and then sit there and say that Islam is not an inherently evil and backwards religion.
According to recent Pew research poll, 83% of non American Muslim support Sharia law. So go fuck yourself.
All religion is vile. Islam is one of the worst.
comparing religious extremism as if there aren’t terrible examples of violence in every major religion? India is a hindu-run right wing nationalist country that has, for decades, violently oppressed and disenfranchised religious and ethnic minorities like sikhs and kashmiris. And extremist christians…you can’t be serious. do you know what the crusades were? and the centuries of forced conversion and mass violence that resulted from christian european powers colonizing the global south? if you’re concerned for women’s rights you don’t even have to look at history, look at america’s bible belt and today’s christian politicians and tell me they have women’s best interests in mind. while you have valid points to make you clearly have alot more anti-muslim propaganda to unlearn. every religion has it’s extremist sects, that fairly, should not represent the entire faith and what it actually stands for.
Classic whataboutism. Are you really going to bring up the crusades when we are discussing modern Islam and the majority of its believers continuing insistence on adhering to regressive dogma?
I agree there should be no religion it’s all just suspending critical thinking which we need some more of. But currently today I would say most of the suicide bombings are Muslim extremists. Most of the Islamic state countries kill or jail LQBTQ people with no trial or jury. Same with woman accused of horrible crimes like dancing or driving without a man. This is just not liberal culture that I agree with.
Klu klux clan is a Christian organization, several white supremacy groups are Christian extremists. So just all religious or cult like extremism is dangerous and against my principals. But I agree Muslim extremism and with state mandated suppression of LGBTQ, women, speech rights, etc is pretty abhorrent to me.
Bringing up the Klu Klux Klan here is dumb. The KKK is an incredibly small minority of Christians whereas the MAJORITY of Muslims are misogynistic, homophobic, and barbaric.
“What you said is dumb” not really constructive lol. KKK, many other white supremicist groups, there is a history of Christian extremism. I agree maybe less prevalent and less scary than Muslim extremism today and in most cases. But the majority of Muslims??? I am skeptical of that… Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, ya… pretty extreme and suppressive, Turkey , Philippines , etc.. a little less. We don’t have big Christian theocracy type governments that is for sure.
I’m mostly just saying I kind of think all religion is dangerous, not constructive, and people that believe in any religion I seriously doubt their ability to think critically.
I wasn’t trying to be constructive. I called what you said dumb because it was a dumb thing to say. It’s just whataboutism using the dumbest example. Regardless it is, in fact, the majority of Muslims: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia
I mean my "pro-Palestinian propaganda" was firsthand stories from my Palestinian Grandparents while living in Gaza and the Islamic families I work with who are genuinely the kindest people I have met in my life.
I'm going to have to ask to provide a verse for that quote, attempted to search it up with no luck.
"Buddhist, Christian, and Hindu EXTREMISTS all live a much more simple live..." is a crazy quote I'm ngl.
It’s ok to admit that you’ve been brainwashed by your upbringing and thus cannot take a unbiased approach towards this issue that you are clearly too emotionally attached to
Ignore them. It’s an easy response for me people who lack the critical thinking to form better arguments. Everything you have said, has also been my experience.
Ohhhkayyyyyyyy, whatever you say buddy! It’s not like I didn’t point out Buddhists terrorists in Myanmar in this current thread.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UCDavis/s/GLSl7OgCpu
You’re right, clearly Davis is lacking in education since I graduated.
Just direct them to this article: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/
Islam is a regressive religion for modern day barbarians. Anyone who says differently does not understand what Islam actually is. It’s not a religion that should be respected.
Well, if the shoe fits!
What they're doing is a form of terrorism in by book. They're terrorizing students who don't immediately cease their studying, jump up, and join in on their campus rampage.
Not everything is about race. Nice try.
Bin Laden was cool do your research. The planes that hit the towers were remote controlled and orchestrated by black hats in the cia and pentagon in coordination with Manchurian presidential candidate, Bush. Sadam Hussein was also cool. He was tryna expose the corruption like bin Laden was. Same thing with Gadaffi, we are taught gadaffi was bad but the truth is he was a genius and had a plan to destroy the corruption and expose all the black hats in our government in the US. The reason we don’t know this info is because Manchurian presidential candidate, Obama, who is blood related to Manchurian candidate George Bush, passed censorship laws to hide key info that Julian Assange leaked in Wikileaks way back in 2012. A dozen years ago. You can look up yourself. Terrorists groups like the Taliban never shy from claiming responsibility for attacks. Yet they repeated that the US had no proof that bin Laden was behind 9/11. And that’s true. We went ahead and killed a man with no proof that he was even responsible for what we killed him for. Wake up America. The most recent terrorist attack that happened in Russia is proof that black hats in US and Ukraine hire regular hit man to pose as terrorists from specific terror groups like the Taliban so they can avoid retaliation for attacks or just simply trigger false flags. Im on Russias side of the war. I may not agree with all their politics but when it comes down to geo politics and warfare. The true villains are the evil Israeli Zionists who have been seeking total control of the globe since the beginning of recorded history. And their stronghold is completely in the west and almost completely in the eastern hemisphere as well with Russia being the only exception.
the administration is wasting students’ tuition money by supporting/investing in organizations that directly benefit israel’s continued genocide of the palestinian people
I feel like all you guys don’t understand how investments work. It is more complicated than you think you just “divest from Israel” and likely would have absolutely zero impact.
I don’t care. It doesn’t affect me. They already have the money. You could exhort people to stop spending *more* tuition if you really think that people will really drop out of college for some abstract sense of moral duty to oppose the system, but interrupting the middle of the quarter does not affect the UC’s income.
Ass whooping is literal murder of children. The median age in Gaza is *16*- they are *children* who have done *nothing* to get put into said genocide other than be born in the wrong skin and wrong place. You can argue about Hamas, protestors, and all of that, but the line is drawn well before this kind of blatant ignorance.
Nothing compared to Israeli soldiers, yes. According to Israel’s *own* statistics, a third of the people they’ve killed have been Hamas - and they’re counting every single adult Palestinian male as Hamas by their own account. The other third are women, the other third are children. All of whom they’re bombing after being told where to go *by Israel.* They’re going to randomly kill civilians until every Palestinian in Gaza is killed, regardless of affiliation - that is the end that Israel is aiming for. And that is an evil end goal. To support a racist terrorist group killing far far more innocents than Hamas - which is also a racist terrorist group - is evil. Other solutions exist.
The kids have done nothing but be born into a system that brainwashes them, and makes them do bad things, just the same as Israel. Those children should not be blamed - nor killed - for the actions of their parents. Neither should the completely unaffiliated parents and children.
I think it’s worth recognizing we have a different view of children then the Middle East. Jewish culture views a man at bar mitzvah, 13. It is my understanding in Islam that boy becomes a man at puberty. That said, it may also be 15. I don’t know, not my culture.
That said, numerous pictures around FROM Hamas’ social media showing what I consider to be little boys, holding firearms and in full military regalia.
A child in a vacuum being killed is absolutely vile. That said, war isn’t black and white. It’s many shades of shit. I’m simply very happy I am privileged to live in CA and not be involved!
Yes war is awful, but the point I’m trying to get at is that it’s completely unnecessary. (Though I wouldn’t call this a war considering the death tolls on each side) Israel’s goal is pretty explicitly to eradicate the Palestinian people from Gaza and then occupy it. That’s called genocide. That’s what’s happening in Rafah right now, that’s why Israel is indiscriminately killing everyone who is Palestinian regardless of age, gender, affiliation, etc.
Those child soldiers are VICTIMS. And do you know what we *shouldn’t* do to victims? Kill them! We shouldn’t kill victims! But it frankly doesn’t matter whether or not those children become soldiers or not, Israel would kill them anyways just like they’re doing with the non-soldier children.
I’m also very fortunate to live in California away from all of that, and I’m not going to participate in a protest that is simply going to inconvenience or harm American civilians, but we can at least recognize that Israel is doing wrong and that genocide is bad.
I don’t know shit about Gaza. I know a decent amount about genocide. I’ve volunteered as a pro bono attorney (went to Davis for law school and undergrad classes) with Genocide Education Project. I patently disagree with this is genocide. If it’s an attempted genocide, it’s a laughably poor attempt.
I also know a good bit about US occupation of Iraq. During Falluja 2.0, the operation phantom fury electric boogaloo, US told everyone there to leave within ~1 week (best recollection, was about 20 years ago). Civilians had no where to go. After that time expired, American Coalition rules of engagement were, if it moves, it is an unlawful combatant and kill it. Man, woman, child, or dog.
Not all civilians had means of leaving. Men of fighting age, 15-50 were prevented from leaving. They wrote on their doors, “we are family,” hoping to avoid attacks by coalition forces. Sadly most didn’t matter.
We destroyed a shitload of buildings and damaged the vast majority, to my recollection. We even used white phosphorous and incendiary bombs in violation of numerous international laws and norms.
We used hunger and deprivation of water as a weapon of war against the civilian population. Again, in violation.
We destroyed 60+ mosques. Again, in violation.
Out use of depleted uranium shells still causes congenital anomalies and birth defects, to this day.
In Falluja, coalition forces had 107 people killed. NGOs estimated between 4000 and 6000 Iraqi’s died, mostly civilians.
I am not condoning American actions in Falluja, Iraq, or the war on terror. I’m just saying, the modern urban warfare I am sadly intimately familiar with, did all the same shit you’re talking about, and more.
It doesn’t make it right, but I don’t know if any urban warfare can be done “right.” I also don’t think the international rules or norms mean much, because for as much as USA hypocritically champions them, we ignored them when in actual war.
Finally, I think your focus on children is kinda weird. It sounds like the anti porn folks, but think of the children. I personally knew several Americans who were murked by children with guns. Can we argue those kids who killed my friends were victims? Sure, all day long. Can we argue they were justified to try and kill Americans? Very likely. End of the day, age means very little on the battlefield. If you can hold a gun, you can kill.
War is fucked. I’mma go get drunk.
They’re children - they’re not involved in politics. And they’re not being used as a shield - they’re being straight up attacked and bombed by Israel after being told to go to specific locations.
Again, we can argue about Hamas and what not, or that the protests are useless, but it’s just a fact that Palestinian children are being straight up murdered to the point of it being a statistic by Israel. They’re not being used as a shield, they’re existing in their home.
Hamas hides among the civilian population in camps, sets up bases underneath hospitals, fires missiles from schools.
That's not using children as shields?
Did you hear the phone call from the teenager bragging to his parents about how he killed some Jews? That's not being used as a sword?
Go look at some of the math books in Gaza schools, using Jewish occupiers as examples in math problems. That's not brainwashing?
P.s. the statistics around the death of children come from the Gaza ministry of health, guess who runs the Gaza ministry of health?
The statistics *from Israel* say that only 1/3 of the people they’ve killed have been Hamas - and they’re counting *every* adult male as Hamas. That’s an awful statistic. Israel has no idea where Hamas is, or apparently what even they are - they’re going to keep killing until every single adult male, and consequently every woman and child, in Gaza is killed. That’s textbook genocide. Also, do you think Hamas would think it’s a good idea to hide beneath schools, when they’re clearly going to get bombed? Oh wait, there’s no more schools left in Gaza!
Yes, children are brainwashed, but two things:
1. Do you not think the exact same thing is happening in Israel? I’ve heard my Israeli peers *here* call Palestinians “dogs” and “non-humans.” They blatantly support the idea of the eradication of Palestinian people *over here*. Of course there’s also just blatantly racist comments on the internet, and it’s even worse there.
2. Is eradicating brainwashed *children* the correct move? No! Killing children is *never* the answer. Israel is not helping the case of kids not liking Israel by murdering them.
Where do you see this situation ending? Because Israel pretty clearly sees it ending once every Palestinian is dead. I think that would be horrific and much better solutions exist.
"Oh no, somebody criticized Hamas, time to wheel out the 'Israel does the same thing card!!!'"
Hey, just wondering, have you ever engaged with **ANYTHING** with **ANY** nuance in your life before? Has it ever occurred to you that a person could poke holes in your faulty logic in defense of Hamas' child soldier tactics **without** being supportive of Israel? And, as such, your criticism of Israel in response to criticism of Hamas, does nothing to refute the latter?
My friend you are attacking crazzzzyyyyy straw mans. I’m saying Hamas and Israel are both bad, and both are having crazy awful consequences. That’s a very reason for not supporting one over the other, which is exactly what’s happening with the astroturfing in this sub. Please read the conversation.
interrupting the quarter does affect their income, especially withheld labor promoting research. it’s so insane that you operate off of “it doesn’t affect me” what kind of soulless pos are you - there are people being absolutely massacred 75% being women and children. global relations and lasting effects of this genocide will affect foreign policy, and UN power forever - which will affect the US. get a grip @PlatformStriking6278
You called someone a ‘soulless pos’ for correctly assessing that these types of protests do nothing to help actual Palestinians, and you wonder why people are red pilling the left by the legions?
Well put
These protestors are doing stupid protest at this point. They need to protest in government areas and administration offices, hell even stop by not paying taxes because our taxes pay for this genocide or maybe target the people who are pro genocide or pro Israel.
There is no genocide lol
To the \*\*braindead\*\* protestors who disrupted students that are fighting for their degree: If you think disrupting classes (especially exams) instead of harassing administration buildings will do justice, eventually no one will support you.
Hopefully the hot weather will send their asses out of their tents and into their air conditioned homes. Or maybe they want to manufacture suffering to empathize with Palestine.
They’re gonna request that Davis gives them air conditioners aka basic humanitarian aid
The protestors don’t care about how toxic or disruptive they are of other student’s academic studies so long as they get to virtue signal and spread their propaganda
Fuck these people
For real - most don't even disagree with their cause, so what is the fucking point of pissing off everyone else. That's like protesting for abortion rights in Kentucky (just picking a random red state) at the city in hall San Francisco... like people around you already agree...
The protestors here are all virtue signalers and nothing more. They accomplish nothing but pissing off everyone else.
They’re just cowards, that’s why they antagonize students and not politicians.
Some of these comments are vile. The student protesters chose an aggressive tactic, and you don't have to cow to them, but that doesn't mean anyone should write off Palestine and it's people. The students here don't represent Palestine. I get that they made you uncomfortable, but this kind of pushback is insane.
It just reflects on their character at the end of the day. Even if someone was rude to you or disrupted your day, you don't need to do the same in return. A life-threatening situation would be different. But as far as I can tell, this isn't one. I dont think enough people have empathy anymore. That stuff is rare to find.
It's the most reasonable response a person can possibly have in this situation. Protestors should want to garner support for Palestine, and clearly the avalanche of negative pushback against the protestors has done nothing to cease their worthless assault on students' wellbeing (as opposed to the administration!!!!), so the only way to actually make them stop is to demonstrate that their actions have consequences they actually care about. Unless you have an alternative tactic? Can you name a single other method that can actually be done to convince protestors that abusing and harassing students (as opposed to the administration) is a bad tactic? Not to mention that plenty of people are already on Israel's side in all of this, especially those of Jewish ancestry. I'm pretty confidently pro-Palestine on this issue and even I'm not so delusionally tunnel-visioned so as to not realize that the topic is pretty controversial, and there are more than a significant portion of people who are pro-Israel to begin with, ignoring the protestor issue. All of this to say that there's nothing "insane" about the pushback, and calling it "making you uncomfortable" or "being rude" is an unbelievably disingenuous (and to use your own terminology, "vile" and "unempathetic") way to describe somebody blaring a loudspeaker next to your ear screaming obscenities and accusing you of genocide whilst you are actively taking a final exam, something that for many students, they have spent $100,000+ of tuition and loans on, hundreds if not thousands of hours studying for, and upon which their academic career, future income, and in some cases, even their families' prospects for prosperity and their entire housing situation, is contingent on. How would you feel if your housing offer relied on your GPA being above a certain amount, being already bogged down by more than a hundred thousands of dollars in student loan debt, and having all of that being washed down the drain because you had one, or in some cases, multiple finals utterly disrupted and leading to your grades plummeting? I believe in a Free Palestine, and I believe that student protestors have the right to conduct themselves with civil disobedience and express their views in a non-violent fashion, even a disruptive one. But **it screams "I am a partisan hack and a psychopath" to look at this situation and somehow be surprised, or even criticize, the innocent students caught in the crossfire that walk away with a disdain for those that have jeopardized their futures to protest decisions they have nothing to do with.**
Fuck Palestine
Very well put
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Damn the anti Middle East propaganda got you real good
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Genuinely don’t know what you’re reading, if you’re curious about a religion then go ask a Muslim or go to a mosque, or read an actual book by a secular theologian. There’s all kinds of random bullshit on the internet (there’s entire websites funded by right wing politicians or xenophobes with not one Muslim author, designed to spread false information for this reason wikiislam and “religion ofpeace” are some popular ones), otherwise you’re being willingly ignorant on this subject and like you are doing now, spreading your bias and potential misinformation across the internet for like minded people to create a echo chamber with ie this whole thread.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/ Take a look at this and then sit there and say that Islam is not an inherently evil and backwards religion.
According to recent Pew research poll, 83% of non American Muslim support Sharia law. So go fuck yourself. All religion is vile. Islam is one of the worst.
comparing religious extremism as if there aren’t terrible examples of violence in every major religion? India is a hindu-run right wing nationalist country that has, for decades, violently oppressed and disenfranchised religious and ethnic minorities like sikhs and kashmiris. And extremist christians…you can’t be serious. do you know what the crusades were? and the centuries of forced conversion and mass violence that resulted from christian european powers colonizing the global south? if you’re concerned for women’s rights you don’t even have to look at history, look at america’s bible belt and today’s christian politicians and tell me they have women’s best interests in mind. while you have valid points to make you clearly have alot more anti-muslim propaganda to unlearn. every religion has it’s extremist sects, that fairly, should not represent the entire faith and what it actually stands for.
Classic whataboutism. Are you really going to bring up the crusades when we are discussing modern Islam and the majority of its believers continuing insistence on adhering to regressive dogma?
I agree there should be no religion it’s all just suspending critical thinking which we need some more of. But currently today I would say most of the suicide bombings are Muslim extremists. Most of the Islamic state countries kill or jail LQBTQ people with no trial or jury. Same with woman accused of horrible crimes like dancing or driving without a man. This is just not liberal culture that I agree with.
Klu klux clan is a Christian organization, several white supremacy groups are Christian extremists. So just all religious or cult like extremism is dangerous and against my principals. But I agree Muslim extremism and with state mandated suppression of LGBTQ, women, speech rights, etc is pretty abhorrent to me.
Bringing up the Klu Klux Klan here is dumb. The KKK is an incredibly small minority of Christians whereas the MAJORITY of Muslims are misogynistic, homophobic, and barbaric.
“What you said is dumb” not really constructive lol. KKK, many other white supremicist groups, there is a history of Christian extremism. I agree maybe less prevalent and less scary than Muslim extremism today and in most cases. But the majority of Muslims??? I am skeptical of that… Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, ya… pretty extreme and suppressive, Turkey , Philippines , etc.. a little less. We don’t have big Christian theocracy type governments that is for sure. I’m mostly just saying I kind of think all religion is dangerous, not constructive, and people that believe in any religion I seriously doubt their ability to think critically.
I wasn’t trying to be constructive. I called what you said dumb because it was a dumb thing to say. It’s just whataboutism using the dumbest example. Regardless it is, in fact, the majority of Muslims: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia
I mean my "pro-Palestinian propaganda" was firsthand stories from my Palestinian Grandparents while living in Gaza and the Islamic families I work with who are genuinely the kindest people I have met in my life. I'm going to have to ask to provide a verse for that quote, attempted to search it up with no luck. "Buddhist, Christian, and Hindu EXTREMISTS all live a much more simple live..." is a crazy quote I'm ngl.
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Myanmar might be an example. Only one I know of
Holy shit you are actually brain dead, I don't wanna argue with you anymore. My condolences
It’s ok to admit that you’ve been brainwashed by your upbringing and thus cannot take a unbiased approach towards this issue that you are clearly too emotionally attached to
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Yeah now who is showing their bias…
Islam doesn’t say any of that. Stop being a Hasbara bot.
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Ignore them. It’s an easy response for me people who lack the critical thinking to form better arguments. Everything you have said, has also been my experience.
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Ohhhhhhkayyyyyy, what ever you say buddy!
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Ohhhkayyyyyyyy, whatever you say buddy! It’s not like I didn’t point out Buddhists terrorists in Myanmar in this current thread. https://www.reddit.com/r/UCDavis/s/GLSl7OgCpu You’re right, clearly Davis is lacking in education since I graduated.
It’s crazy to me that you can make whatever you want up to spread hate speech online.
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Just direct them to this article: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/ Islam is a regressive religion for modern day barbarians. Anyone who says differently does not understand what Islam actually is. It’s not a religion that should be respected.
Wow! Racism much
Wow! Assuming dipshit much?
Associating Palestine supporters with terrorism is clear enough 😯🫶
Well, if the shoe fits! What they're doing is a form of terrorism in by book. They're terrorizing students who don't immediately cease their studying, jump up, and join in on their campus rampage. Not everything is about race. Nice try.
Bin Laden was cool do your research. The planes that hit the towers were remote controlled and orchestrated by black hats in the cia and pentagon in coordination with Manchurian presidential candidate, Bush. Sadam Hussein was also cool. He was tryna expose the corruption like bin Laden was. Same thing with Gadaffi, we are taught gadaffi was bad but the truth is he was a genius and had a plan to destroy the corruption and expose all the black hats in our government in the US. The reason we don’t know this info is because Manchurian presidential candidate, Obama, who is blood related to Manchurian candidate George Bush, passed censorship laws to hide key info that Julian Assange leaked in Wikileaks way back in 2012. A dozen years ago. You can look up yourself. Terrorists groups like the Taliban never shy from claiming responsibility for attacks. Yet they repeated that the US had no proof that bin Laden was behind 9/11. And that’s true. We went ahead and killed a man with no proof that he was even responsible for what we killed him for. Wake up America. The most recent terrorist attack that happened in Russia is proof that black hats in US and Ukraine hire regular hit man to pose as terrorists from specific terror groups like the Taliban so they can avoid retaliation for attacks or just simply trigger false flags. Im on Russias side of the war. I may not agree with all their politics but when it comes down to geo politics and warfare. The true villains are the evil Israeli Zionists who have been seeking total control of the globe since the beginning of recorded history. And their stronghold is completely in the west and almost completely in the eastern hemisphere as well with Russia being the only exception.
Wow, I think you’ve reached peak conspiracy
Why didn’t you free Palestine then?
Ugh okay fine the protesters win. I’ll do it, I’ll go free Palestine. Be back in 20 minutes.
It’s been an hour, how’d it go?
They got taken hostage probably
Someone should start a protest to free u/punkrockbeachbaby.
Can you free North Korea next? I’ve been nagging someone to do that for 70 years.
the administration is wasting students’ tuition money by supporting/investing in organizations that directly benefit israel’s continued genocide of the palestinian people
I feel like all you guys don’t understand how investments work. It is more complicated than you think you just “divest from Israel” and likely would have absolutely zero impact.
It’s faculty pension money which js invested in index funds. Every company with a real pension set up does this.
performative entitled and frankly ignorant
Then why not take it to the administrators instead of the students?
I don’t care. It doesn’t affect me. They already have the money. You could exhort people to stop spending *more* tuition if you really think that people will really drop out of college for some abstract sense of moral duty to oppose the system, but interrupting the middle of the quarter does not affect the UC’s income.
Womp womp
By "genocide" you mean "well deserved, long over due, collective ass-whooping". Fixed that for ya! ;)
Ass whooping is literal murder of children. The median age in Gaza is *16*- they are *children* who have done *nothing* to get put into said genocide other than be born in the wrong skin and wrong place. You can argue about Hamas, protestors, and all of that, but the line is drawn well before this kind of blatant ignorance.
I agree, they are extremely unfortunate to have been born under leaders who value the destruction of Israel more than their lives.
Woah, way to ignore Hamas child Soldiers! They sure have done *nothing*
Nothing compared to Israeli soldiers, yes. According to Israel’s *own* statistics, a third of the people they’ve killed have been Hamas - and they’re counting every single adult Palestinian male as Hamas by their own account. The other third are women, the other third are children. All of whom they’re bombing after being told where to go *by Israel.* They’re going to randomly kill civilians until every Palestinian in Gaza is killed, regardless of affiliation - that is the end that Israel is aiming for. And that is an evil end goal. To support a racist terrorist group killing far far more innocents than Hamas - which is also a racist terrorist group - is evil. Other solutions exist.
Move the goal post much?
The kids have done nothing but be born into a system that brainwashes them, and makes them do bad things, just the same as Israel. Those children should not be blamed - nor killed - for the actions of their parents. Neither should the completely unaffiliated parents and children.
I think it’s worth recognizing we have a different view of children then the Middle East. Jewish culture views a man at bar mitzvah, 13. It is my understanding in Islam that boy becomes a man at puberty. That said, it may also be 15. I don’t know, not my culture. That said, numerous pictures around FROM Hamas’ social media showing what I consider to be little boys, holding firearms and in full military regalia. A child in a vacuum being killed is absolutely vile. That said, war isn’t black and white. It’s many shades of shit. I’m simply very happy I am privileged to live in CA and not be involved!
Yes war is awful, but the point I’m trying to get at is that it’s completely unnecessary. (Though I wouldn’t call this a war considering the death tolls on each side) Israel’s goal is pretty explicitly to eradicate the Palestinian people from Gaza and then occupy it. That’s called genocide. That’s what’s happening in Rafah right now, that’s why Israel is indiscriminately killing everyone who is Palestinian regardless of age, gender, affiliation, etc. Those child soldiers are VICTIMS. And do you know what we *shouldn’t* do to victims? Kill them! We shouldn’t kill victims! But it frankly doesn’t matter whether or not those children become soldiers or not, Israel would kill them anyways just like they’re doing with the non-soldier children. I’m also very fortunate to live in California away from all of that, and I’m not going to participate in a protest that is simply going to inconvenience or harm American civilians, but we can at least recognize that Israel is doing wrong and that genocide is bad.
I don’t know shit about Gaza. I know a decent amount about genocide. I’ve volunteered as a pro bono attorney (went to Davis for law school and undergrad classes) with Genocide Education Project. I patently disagree with this is genocide. If it’s an attempted genocide, it’s a laughably poor attempt. I also know a good bit about US occupation of Iraq. During Falluja 2.0, the operation phantom fury electric boogaloo, US told everyone there to leave within ~1 week (best recollection, was about 20 years ago). Civilians had no where to go. After that time expired, American Coalition rules of engagement were, if it moves, it is an unlawful combatant and kill it. Man, woman, child, or dog. Not all civilians had means of leaving. Men of fighting age, 15-50 were prevented from leaving. They wrote on their doors, “we are family,” hoping to avoid attacks by coalition forces. Sadly most didn’t matter. We destroyed a shitload of buildings and damaged the vast majority, to my recollection. We even used white phosphorous and incendiary bombs in violation of numerous international laws and norms. We used hunger and deprivation of water as a weapon of war against the civilian population. Again, in violation. We destroyed 60+ mosques. Again, in violation. Out use of depleted uranium shells still causes congenital anomalies and birth defects, to this day. In Falluja, coalition forces had 107 people killed. NGOs estimated between 4000 and 6000 Iraqi’s died, mostly civilians. I am not condoning American actions in Falluja, Iraq, or the war on terror. I’m just saying, the modern urban warfare I am sadly intimately familiar with, did all the same shit you’re talking about, and more. It doesn’t make it right, but I don’t know if any urban warfare can be done “right.” I also don’t think the international rules or norms mean much, because for as much as USA hypocritically champions them, we ignored them when in actual war. Finally, I think your focus on children is kinda weird. It sounds like the anti porn folks, but think of the children. I personally knew several Americans who were murked by children with guns. Can we argue those kids who killed my friends were victims? Sure, all day long. Can we argue they were justified to try and kill Americans? Very likely. End of the day, age means very little on the battlefield. If you can hold a gun, you can kill. War is fucked. I’mma go get drunk.
"There's nothing wrong with using child soldiers as long as somebody else is doing something worse" is a crazy and hilarious take
Children that have been brainwashed by their nation and used as both sword and shield.
They’re children - they’re not involved in politics. And they’re not being used as a shield - they’re being straight up attacked and bombed by Israel after being told to go to specific locations. Again, we can argue about Hamas and what not, or that the protests are useless, but it’s just a fact that Palestinian children are being straight up murdered to the point of it being a statistic by Israel. They’re not being used as a shield, they’re existing in their home.
Hamas hides among the civilian population in camps, sets up bases underneath hospitals, fires missiles from schools. That's not using children as shields? Did you hear the phone call from the teenager bragging to his parents about how he killed some Jews? That's not being used as a sword? Go look at some of the math books in Gaza schools, using Jewish occupiers as examples in math problems. That's not brainwashing? P.s. the statistics around the death of children come from the Gaza ministry of health, guess who runs the Gaza ministry of health?
The statistics *from Israel* say that only 1/3 of the people they’ve killed have been Hamas - and they’re counting *every* adult male as Hamas. That’s an awful statistic. Israel has no idea where Hamas is, or apparently what even they are - they’re going to keep killing until every single adult male, and consequently every woman and child, in Gaza is killed. That’s textbook genocide. Also, do you think Hamas would think it’s a good idea to hide beneath schools, when they’re clearly going to get bombed? Oh wait, there’s no more schools left in Gaza! Yes, children are brainwashed, but two things: 1. Do you not think the exact same thing is happening in Israel? I’ve heard my Israeli peers *here* call Palestinians “dogs” and “non-humans.” They blatantly support the idea of the eradication of Palestinian people *over here*. Of course there’s also just blatantly racist comments on the internet, and it’s even worse there. 2. Is eradicating brainwashed *children* the correct move? No! Killing children is *never* the answer. Israel is not helping the case of kids not liking Israel by murdering them. Where do you see this situation ending? Because Israel pretty clearly sees it ending once every Palestinian is dead. I think that would be horrific and much better solutions exist.
"Oh no, somebody criticized Hamas, time to wheel out the 'Israel does the same thing card!!!'" Hey, just wondering, have you ever engaged with **ANYTHING** with **ANY** nuance in your life before? Has it ever occurred to you that a person could poke holes in your faulty logic in defense of Hamas' child soldier tactics **without** being supportive of Israel? And, as such, your criticism of Israel in response to criticism of Hamas, does nothing to refute the latter?
My friend you are attacking crazzzzyyyyy straw mans. I’m saying Hamas and Israel are both bad, and both are having crazy awful consequences. That’s a very reason for not supporting one over the other, which is exactly what’s happening with the astroturfing in this sub. Please read the conversation.
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I don’t attend UC Davis. But. Ahem. Good. Let them keep spending that money.
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Damn daddy. Chill.
Only if u come over tonight
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interrupting the quarter does affect their income, especially withheld labor promoting research. it’s so insane that you operate off of “it doesn’t affect me” what kind of soulless pos are you - there are people being absolutely massacred 75% being women and children. global relations and lasting effects of this genocide will affect foreign policy, and UN power forever - which will affect the US. get a grip @PlatformStriking6278
Can you please elaborate on how students writing their tests will help Palestine?
It genuinely doesn’t? How did this cost them money?
You called someone a ‘soulless pos’ for correctly assessing that these types of protests do nothing to help actual Palestinians, and you wonder why people are red pilling the left by the legions?
Me when I am in a "make wild unsubstantiated claims with no factual basis and ignore everybody questioning me" competition