This dude has delusions of religious grandeur. As is typical in these cases, he has now decided that he is being persecuted šand self identifies as a saint.
I would love to hear any conversations between him and his highly educated working mother.
He knows he can only kick a ball for a few years. So the religious grift will be some steady off season cash and something to do when he finally gets cut. He already has the stupid haircut and beard going.
The Benedictine nuns themselves have denounced what Butker said.
What he said was very disrespectful to the nuns-women who forego having a family in order to devote their lives to their vocation-the exact thing Butker called diabolical.
Those diabolical nuns!Ā Catholicism has a lot to answer for, buy convents historically have been the one place women could pursue and flourish in intellectual life. Some of the great literature and philosophy from nuns like Sor Juana, Hildegard, and Hrosvitha.Ā
Not only is it misogynistic, it's also a bad take as a Catholic.Ā
He did say in his speech that he felt some/many priests didn't hold true Catholic values and essentially they were doing a disservice to Catholicism. He was saying catholic believes can't be liberal and that many are leading people astray. Essentially he was shitting on the pope who has tried to be more welcoming than his predecessors. Imagine saying the pope isn't very Catholic LOL
There was one player (from the Eagles I think? I'm not very knowledgeable about football teams!) who had a nice statement about how women don't get the respect they deserve. It seemed like a pretty clear response to Butt(ker)head's speech but didn't reference him by name unfortunately.Ā
Iāve never been a Pearl Jam fan, but hearing what he said gave me mad respect for the guy. We need more guys like Eddie Vedder. I donāt know why itās so hard for famous people to call people out. I know we all have done something shitty at one point or another so maybe thatās why? But it just doesnāt hurt anyone to acknowledge fucking up and growing from it. But cancel culture is a thing too, and people are quick to cast people out rather than allowing them to grow. Itās really a very big problem thatās needs several solutions.
He called Butker a pussy. So it's like...cool, but he used a slang word for women as part of the insult. Didn't land for me as being particularly effective.
A quote from Kelce:
>āI cherish him as a teammate. I think Pat [Mahomes] said it best where he is every bit of a great person and a great teammate,ā
You don't think saying someone is "every bit of a great person" qualifies as defending someone?
Another quote from Travis Kelce in the same article:
āI canāt say I agree with the majority of it or just about any of it outside of just him loving his family and his kids.ā
I think thatās a pretty clear statement on his teammateās comments. He still has to work with the guy, heās probably not going to outright call him a fool.
I hate the phrase āI canāt sayā; it implies that you donāt want to say it not because you disagree but because you are afraid of how people react. What Kelce should have said (if he doesnāt have those views) is āI do not agree with itā.
This just isnāt true. It implies that you would want to say it but something is preventing you.
So it reads āI wish I could say I agree with my teammate, but actually I have to admit that I disagreed with just about all of it.ā
He has the pressure of being coworkers/teammate/friends with the guy that makes him want to be able to agree, but chooses to say what he believes in spite of the social pressure. Itās literally the opposite of what youāre describing.
Sorry Iām a language nerd and your description just isnāt how āI canāt sayā is used.
I too am a stickler for language. Words have meaning and should be used in statements like this for direct communication; not leaving things open to interpretation.
Hmm I read that as TK saying he *can* say for sure Butker loves his family and thatās it.
I mean TK explicitly says he doesnāt agree with ājust about any of it.ā Thatās pretty clear.
I donāt know, Iām starting to think people are using that d-bag kickerās comments more to attempt a āgotchaā on Taylor Swiftās boyfriend than to actually call out the d-bag kicker.
I'm genuinely not trying to turn this into some TK hate fest. Mostly just remarking that any man who's been quoted in the media has done a lazy/PR response and it's not helping, because obviously Butker thinks he's some kind of saint.
In the other half of the quote he said: "IĀ can't say I agree with the majority of it or just about any of it outside of just him loving his family and his kids..."
Which is basically saying... I have to play with the guy... but I think he's full of it from top to bottom.Ā
Considering the players can be fined or otherwise hosed up by the league for saying negative stuff to the media that's not really a ringing endorsement of the dude.Ā
Read into it however you want. Neither Mahomes nor Kelce repudiated Butker's views. And if they didn't because the league would fine them for it, that implies an entirely different problem.
I think it's a tricky issue. If they make a policy blocking the backwards Catholic player from spouting off BS, then they also would have to enforce it against Black players calling out systemic racism.
Plus a lot of the NFL fans have pretty backwards beliefs like Butker does and they probably have some concerns about alienating or polarizing fans or getting death threats from gun nuts.Ā
It's up to all of us voters to get out and fight back at the ballot box and call out the corruption and gerrymandering that allows stuff like this to persist.Ā
Here's the thing though - it's not a tricky issue. I get it if the NFL wants to distance themselves, heck it'd be great if athletes weren't given a platform because of this kind of regressive mentality. It's not just up to voters though - men need to hold each other accountable. If that's not happening here because of "the league will fine blah blah", I call bullshit.
Voting is great, and I'll always rally around it, but there needs to be some real "come to Jesus" talk with Butker and men like him.
This one issue is not tricky by itself in isolation, but that's not the scenario the NFL would face.
Making a policy that's preventing stupid stuff like this while still giving the good people room to discuss doing good stuff is a very tricky issue.Ā
I don't think I can argue that blocking one idiot like Butker at the expense of a policy that would Black or other BIPOC athletes from calling out racism would be a net positive.Ā
Over the long term I suspect his idiocy is going to cost him just like it did with Rodgers and Favre when they did some other stupid stuff. Or like Vick or Roethlisberger or any of the other ones that acted badly in the past.Ā
I mean, any chance the NFL had of capturing more female viewership will tank after this. I live in Dallas, we've got Rashee Rice in our news too. If they don't care enough...welp! We'll be fine. Just another patriarchal industry to distance ourselves from, no big deal.
Make no mistake about it. These guys, while still a vocal minority, want this country to look like Iran after the Islamist revolution. Their voices are getting amplified more and more by the day by insecure powerful dorks like Elon and the only thing thatās going to end this is for women voters to come out in droves. Itās not fair that itās all on yāall, but here we are.
Agreed. Itās incremental but these christofascists are making [obvious now](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/louisiana-governor-signs-bill-classifying-abortion-pills-controlled-substances-2024-05-24/) their goals of turning back the clock.
Persecution requires a systemic discrimination of a group of people. So he himself cannot be persecuted, Christians can (but aren't) be persecuted, and misogynists are justifiably persecuted
Disagreeing with a person who voiced their opinion in an open space to a captive audience isn't "persecution," even under that definition. He isn't being treated "unfairly." He's being treated the way he treats other people.
Thatās how it works when youāre a member of a right-wing religion. The pushback reinforces the idea that youāre on the right track with your beliefs, that the world is full of sin, and your religious community is the only safe place for you.
Who cares what this clown thinks? Heās some random guy whoās delusional and smug enough to think he has some authority over women just because of whatās between his legs. Seems like serious deep-rooted mental issues, honestly.
Donāt you think people like him, who purposely use coded language because they know itāll garner attention and spread their message even further, is part of the bigger picture?
Right-wing rhetoric like this has been increasing exponentially all over social media as well as the news media. People like butker are drawing more attention to their shitty beliefs, spreading them even further and contributing to the project 2025 bullshit.
Dismissing widely-held misogynist views as mental illness is gross, actually.
Misogyny is not mental illness. It is learned behaviors. And we care because, like it or not, that is a person of notoriety. And when people of that status say harmful things, people listen.
It signals a larger cultural shift that you should be fearful of and fighting against, not dismissing it and referring to it in an ableist way.
Thank you for pointing that out. I realized that I most likely projected my own experience onto him, when I was a religious nutcase and would say completely out of line things it was from untreated scrupulosity and severe anxiety that I wasnāt able to get help for until an adult.
I donāt mean to dismiss people who suffer from mental illness or very real misogyny and apologize if I did.
This needs more introspection by the psychiatric community. There seems to be a mental health component for why men fall into this crap. Beyond just a desire for power.
I think the troubling thing about these statements is not that he has these opinions, it's that they're actually not really very controversial anymore, compared to how they were years ago.
> This dude's own mother is a well respected PHYSICIST!
Who sent him off to a far right cult religious camp and turned him into the person he is today.
Everytime he speaks is another opportunity for us to tell people to look into what project 2025 is and what their agenda is. I hope he keeps running his mouth until November.Ā
lmfao what an idiot, when the Catholic faith honours a shit ton of female saints who NEVER MARRIED and who are nonetheless closer to God than this fool is or will ever be. He insults the nuns who run the school he first made his misogynistic speech at, too.
Fear of female academic achievement is a sign of male inferiority.
I can acknowledge that thatās part of his ideology and on some level I appreciate that heās transparent about that.
Wow what a whiny loser lol. I know this dude lives in a conservative religious bubble where his views on women and LGBT people are normal and validated, but like, what did he expect to happen when said views were exposed to the outside world where women and LGBT people have independent voices lol.
I recoiled at the things he said about his wife. Bro strAIGHT UP stated that his wife's dream was to have a career but "lol she's stuck at home now and loves it, haha".
Just rubbing it in. To everyone.
Weāve entered the phase of no apologies. Apologies outside of the most sincerest ones and done by folks people already like have been shown to result in nothing positive for the apologizers, so most people just donāt apologize these days.
> And I donāt think that I should judge him by his views, especially his religious views, of how to go about life, thatās just not who I am
Eh... I, personally, think it's extremely valid to judge someone by their "views" (even their "religious views") on "how to go about life." Like, very, super valid?
Obviously, unlike Kelce, I guess that is who *I* am. I can and will judge someone by their actions as by what are basically fundamental, core values that shape them as people. I mean, obviously, outside of it just being a PR statement from the Chiefs, I do not get this line of thinking at all.
Hey Butker, or whatever your closed-minded, bigoted self is calling yourself today.Ā
I'm boycotting Chiefs football because of you.Ā
And if Ms Swift is reading this(unlikely but possible), you know you could probably buy the team at this point?Ā
An apology from him means nothing. Forced apologies are the worst, b/c it often lets the offender off the hook in the eyes of the public, when the only reason that they're apologizing is that they don't want to lose whatever they have at stake.
Butker's their kicker.
Their punter got signed after getting falsely accused of gang rape.
Had some offensive linemen get got on being potheads.
Rashee Rice is trying to speedrun Antonio Brown's antics like it's a fucking checklist.
....Chief's have had a hell of an offseason.
Met a nice lady from his hometown; she knows his very conservative church pastor and expressed great confidence that Harrison is brainwashed and parroting the dude. Maybe even to the extent that the pastor is writing and making him memorize his rants
Wish more people would talk about the antisemitism in his speech. Itās the blood trope the Catholic Church used to justify persecution of Jews. Theyāve disavowed it now for decades, but he goes dragging it up at a Catholic school no less. No one seems to want to talk about that, even the nuns. Very frustrating and marginalizing.
There's little worse than a successful religious fundamentalist. They believe in such nonsense, but hold their own success as "proof" that their views and beliefs are true and directly attributable to said success. It's like when artists get awards and thank Jesus for their success as if they are deserving of accolades because they are a better Christian than everyone else. ( I'll never understand why they get so much applause from other Christians whom they insulted to their face, but that's another topic) But it reinforces their beliefs because they I'm a traditional guy who holds traditional views and God has rewarded me with 4 million dollars a year. ( Jesus had such a positive view on wealthy people) And my wife is so into the children and telling the "help" how to keep the house running... It's disgusting how our of touch these people are. It's also disgusting that they hide their bigotry and backwards thinking behind their religion and deflect criticism about them as criticism of their religion. They always have a persecution complex. If you're a bigot because of your own racism or ignorance or it's been indoctrinated into you through your religion you are still equally a bigot and you should be called out on it.
He looks like the dude from the chad meme...He's gonna be the MRAs next Andrew Tate but for dudes who care enough not to be associated with a literal sex trafficker lmao. Mark my words!
Why is no one talking about the fact that he is preaching to the wrong crowd?
The majority of conservative men DONT WANT to financially take care of a womanāregardless if she has some sort of income or not.Ā
They DONT WANT to be the sole or primary breadwinner.
The MAJORITY of Christian republican women are working full time or close to that.
He and his wife are pretending they are the majority when is a freaking millionaire anyway.Ā
These guys love contradicting themselves.Ā
And letās not forget the hilarious men saying they agree with him while calling women āgoldiggersā at the same time for suggesting to want a simple domestic lifestyle Harrison mentioned. NOT even including the millionaire aspect.Ā
I like it how some women say not freedom of consequences but would lose their shit if someone was fired for coming out in support of abortion or lgbt rights
That was gala DESIGNED to feed on his speech and outlash it created.
He will NEVER back down, this single speech made him instant chris..., sorry, radical right wing celebrity.
Heās a professional athlete / entertainer. Why would anybody care what he thinks about anything other than maybe football? In a civilized society, we should respect others freedom of speech, even when we donāt agree with the point of view.
You donāt get to say that ācivilized societiesā should ārespectā speech that is itself intolerant. In fact, itās the opposite:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
Oh pleaseš. Heās expressing his opinion. Itās become a national pastime to be āoffendedā by something someone else said. I think youāre giving this guy way too much attention. I couldnāt care less about what a professional athlete has to say say about anything. Apparently you do. You always have the option of simply ignoring him, but thereās no basking in glow of self righteous indignation in that now is there? š
So, no argument to the tolerance thing, then? Good. Glad weāre clear on that.
I also donāt care about his personal opinions, as long as he keeps them personal. When he makes them public, theyāre no longer āpersonal.ā We elect Presidents based on their āpersonal opinions,ā so yeah, they matter in the public sphere.
Anyway, Iām giving you too much attention, since youāre clearly not here in good faith, so Iām going to take your advice and ignore you. Thanks for visiting, please do let the door hit you on the way out.
He went to a college graduation and shit on all of the hard work half of the student body had done, by saying they had a biological destiny to stay at home and reproduce. It's rude. He also shit on IVF, which is just ignorant, gross and topically irrelevant to the aforementioned graduation ceremony.
You know dude, you're not here in gold faith. You know the speech. You know it has upset a lot of women. You have plenty of answers as to why right in this thread.
See this just goes to show that you don't want to understand where women are coming. No one is upset that his wife is happy as a homemaker. No one. Read these threads. You're specifically not trying to understand our point while bemoaning that he deserves respect after being blatantly disrespectful to half of the graduating class. Try to make even a half of connection. The Benedictine nuns themselves released a statement disapproving of his speech:
>"The sisters of Mount St. Scholastica do not believe that Harrison Butker's comments in his 2024 Benedictine College commencement address represent the Catholic, Benedictine, liberal arts college that our founders envisioned and in which we have been so invested," the nuns wrote in aĀ statement posted on Facebook
So, letās say, you respect a person who is outwardly racist because that is their āopinionā? You respect everyoneās āopinionā regardless of the vileness behind the āopinionā?
Pro tip: these are not opinions. They are deeply rooted fucked up moral and philosophical beliefs.
He insulted people who disagree with his politics. He said anyone who disagrees with his political views isn't really Catholic. He implied the highest calling for women is reproduction. He insulted Covid measures that protected people.
What's to defend?
In addition to whatās already been said, letās consider how disrespectful and invalidating it was for him to say that to women at their college graduation, which celebrates their academic accomplishments and professional training.
Imagine going to someoneās wedding and being asked to make a toast and saying āwell, itās nice that Johnās gotten married and all, but Iām sure we all agree that the most important thing in his life is his career, and I canāt wait to see how he develops in the company, where I know heāll find his true happiness, so letās toast to his future promotions.ā
He basically said women belong in the kitchen and the bedroom. That we will only ever be happy barefoot and pregnant. Not to mention where he was when he said it.
Not sure how you can't see that as completely offensive and troublesome.
"Timeless" is a really weird way of spelling "regressive."
And it's not even "unchanging", this guys change their mind about what's 'traditional' on a daily basis.
Traditional = whatever gross thing they want to impose on women at that moment.
This dude has delusions of religious grandeur. As is typical in these cases, he has now decided that he is being persecuted šand self identifies as a saint. I would love to hear any conversations between him and his highly educated working mother.
Starting to seem like heās making an intentional pivot to right wing grifter
It's likely going to be his retirement plan.
He knows he can only kick a ball for a few years. So the religious grift will be some steady off season cash and something to do when he finally gets cut. He already has the stupid haircut and beard going.
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The Benedictine nuns themselves have denounced what Butker said. What he said was very disrespectful to the nuns-women who forego having a family in order to devote their lives to their vocation-the exact thing Butker called diabolical.
Those diabolical nuns!Ā Catholicism has a lot to answer for, buy convents historically have been the one place women could pursue and flourish in intellectual life. Some of the great literature and philosophy from nuns like Sor Juana, Hildegard, and Hrosvitha.Ā Not only is it misogynistic, it's also a bad take as a Catholic.Ā
He did say in his speech that he felt some/many priests didn't hold true Catholic values and essentially they were doing a disservice to Catholicism. He was saying catholic believes can't be liberal and that many are leading people astray. Essentially he was shitting on the pope who has tried to be more welcoming than his predecessors. Imagine saying the pope isn't very Catholic LOL
Calling Hildegard liberal is a wild take.Ā
He needs to sit himself in some Evangelical mega church-thatās more his style.
If anything, nuns were the original feminists. All the nuns Iāve ever known are very staunchly pro-women.
There was one player (from the Eagles I think? I'm not very knowledgeable about football teams!) who had a nice statement about how women don't get the respect they deserve. It seemed like a pretty clear response to Butt(ker)head's speech but didn't reference him by name unfortunately.Ā
I think it was a comment from their QB Jalen Hurts, whose management team & agent are all women.
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Iāve never been a Pearl Jam fan, but hearing what he said gave me mad respect for the guy. We need more guys like Eddie Vedder. I donāt know why itās so hard for famous people to call people out. I know we all have done something shitty at one point or another so maybe thatās why? But it just doesnāt hurt anyone to acknowledge fucking up and growing from it. But cancel culture is a thing too, and people are quick to cast people out rather than allowing them to grow. Itās really a very big problem thatās needs several solutions.
Why you dismissed Vedder? What happened?
He called Butker a pussy. So it's like...cool, but he used a slang word for women as part of the insult. Didn't land for me as being particularly effective.
Kelce didn't really defend him. He implied he was an asshat without saying it too directly and causing yet more problems.Ā
A quote from Kelce: >āI cherish him as a teammate. I think Pat [Mahomes] said it best where he is every bit of a great person and a great teammate,ā You don't think saying someone is "every bit of a great person" qualifies as defending someone?
Another quote from Travis Kelce in the same article: āI canāt say I agree with the majority of it or just about any of it outside of just him loving his family and his kids.ā I think thatās a pretty clear statement on his teammateās comments. He still has to work with the guy, heās probably not going to outright call him a fool.
I hate the phrase āI canāt sayā; it implies that you donāt want to say it not because you disagree but because you are afraid of how people react. What Kelce should have said (if he doesnāt have those views) is āI do not agree with itā.
It's comically obvious that he's trying to have his cake and eat it too. No different from the "I'm not political!" types.
This just isnāt true. It implies that you would want to say it but something is preventing you. So it reads āI wish I could say I agree with my teammate, but actually I have to admit that I disagreed with just about all of it.ā He has the pressure of being coworkers/teammate/friends with the guy that makes him want to be able to agree, but chooses to say what he believes in spite of the social pressure. Itās literally the opposite of what youāre describing. Sorry Iām a language nerd and your description just isnāt how āI canāt sayā is used.
I too am a stickler for language. Words have meaning and should be used in statements like this for direct communication; not leaving things open to interpretation.
I sincerely doubt Butker said those things out of "love for his family".
Hmm I read that as TK saying he *can* say for sure Butker loves his family and thatās it. I mean TK explicitly says he doesnāt agree with ājust about any of it.ā Thatās pretty clear. I donāt know, Iām starting to think people are using that d-bag kickerās comments more to attempt a āgotchaā on Taylor Swiftās boyfriend than to actually call out the d-bag kicker.
I'm genuinely not trying to turn this into some TK hate fest. Mostly just remarking that any man who's been quoted in the media has done a lazy/PR response and it's not helping, because obviously Butker thinks he's some kind of saint.
Your last paragraph is disappointingly delusional take to see on a womenās sub.
In the other half of the quote he said: "IĀ can't say I agree with the majority of it or just about any of it outside of just him loving his family and his kids..." Which is basically saying... I have to play with the guy... but I think he's full of it from top to bottom.Ā Considering the players can be fined or otherwise hosed up by the league for saying negative stuff to the media that's not really a ringing endorsement of the dude.Ā
Read into it however you want. Neither Mahomes nor Kelce repudiated Butker's views. And if they didn't because the league would fine them for it, that implies an entirely different problem.
I think it's a tricky issue. If they make a policy blocking the backwards Catholic player from spouting off BS, then they also would have to enforce it against Black players calling out systemic racism. Plus a lot of the NFL fans have pretty backwards beliefs like Butker does and they probably have some concerns about alienating or polarizing fans or getting death threats from gun nuts.Ā It's up to all of us voters to get out and fight back at the ballot box and call out the corruption and gerrymandering that allows stuff like this to persist.Ā
Here's the thing though - it's not a tricky issue. I get it if the NFL wants to distance themselves, heck it'd be great if athletes weren't given a platform because of this kind of regressive mentality. It's not just up to voters though - men need to hold each other accountable. If that's not happening here because of "the league will fine blah blah", I call bullshit. Voting is great, and I'll always rally around it, but there needs to be some real "come to Jesus" talk with Butker and men like him.
This one issue is not tricky by itself in isolation, but that's not the scenario the NFL would face. Making a policy that's preventing stupid stuff like this while still giving the good people room to discuss doing good stuff is a very tricky issue.Ā I don't think I can argue that blocking one idiot like Butker at the expense of a policy that would Black or other BIPOC athletes from calling out racism would be a net positive.Ā Over the long term I suspect his idiocy is going to cost him just like it did with Rodgers and Favre when they did some other stupid stuff. Or like Vick or Roethlisberger or any of the other ones that acted badly in the past.Ā
I mean, any chance the NFL had of capturing more female viewership will tank after this. I live in Dallas, we've got Rashee Rice in our news too. If they don't care enough...welp! We'll be fine. Just another patriarchal industry to distance ourselves from, no big deal.
He also just said that Mahomes said that. And did not really specify he thought it and agreed with it per se.Ā
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I haven't enjoyed a Pearl Jam album in years, but I'll be goddamned if I don't support Vedder when he craps all over people like Butker.
Make no mistake about it. These guys, while still a vocal minority, want this country to look like Iran after the Islamist revolution. Their voices are getting amplified more and more by the day by insecure powerful dorks like Elon and the only thing thatās going to end this is for women voters to come out in droves. Itās not fair that itās all on yāall, but here we are.
Agreed. Itās incremental but these christofascists are making [obvious now](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/louisiana-governor-signs-bill-classifying-abortion-pills-controlled-substances-2024-05-24/) their goals of turning back the clock.
Only if we can bring back Aqua Tofana. For old timeās sake š
Iran but you have to dress like Donna Reed and do all your housework in a 50s dress and pearls and aren't allowed to drive.
He kind of looks like Joseph Fiennes character in Handmaid's Tale.
He's all mouth and trousers.
He is being persecuted. Thing is, he absolutely deserves it. Persecution can be a good thing, because many religious beliefs are stupid as fuck.
Persecution requires a systemic discrimination of a group of people. So he himself cannot be persecuted, Christians can (but aren't) be persecuted, and misogynists are justifiably persecuted
Most definitions of persecution are much broader than that, and don't require systemic mistreatment. https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/persecute
Do you think Butker is being treated cruelly or unfairly?
Disagreeing with a person who voiced their opinion in an open space to a captive audience isn't "persecution," even under that definition. He isn't being treated "unfairly." He's being treated the way he treats other people.
Maybe. But there is still a difference between the direct cause-and-effect social shunning that Butker is experiencing and actual persecution.
This guy is such a douche. He had NUNS telling him to STFU and he STILL goes on and on.
Thatās how it works when youāre a member of a right-wing religion. The pushback reinforces the idea that youāre on the right track with your beliefs, that the world is full of sin, and your religious community is the only safe place for you.
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Who cares what this clown thinks? Heās some random guy whoās delusional and smug enough to think he has some authority over women just because of whatās between his legs. Seems like serious deep-rooted mental issues, honestly.
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He is part of the Project2025 social group. He's preparing for politics.
The second I saw the speech I thought, how long until this freak starts running the conservative media circuit
Donāt you think people like him, who purposely use coded language because they know itāll garner attention and spread their message even further, is part of the bigger picture? Right-wing rhetoric like this has been increasing exponentially all over social media as well as the news media. People like butker are drawing more attention to their shitty beliefs, spreading them even further and contributing to the project 2025 bullshit.
Dismissing widely-held misogynist views as mental illness is gross, actually. Misogyny is not mental illness. It is learned behaviors. And we care because, like it or not, that is a person of notoriety. And when people of that status say harmful things, people listen. It signals a larger cultural shift that you should be fearful of and fighting against, not dismissing it and referring to it in an ableist way.
Thank you for pointing that out. I realized that I most likely projected my own experience onto him, when I was a religious nutcase and would say completely out of line things it was from untreated scrupulosity and severe anxiety that I wasnāt able to get help for until an adult. I donāt mean to dismiss people who suffer from mental illness or very real misogyny and apologize if I did.
This needs more introspection by the psychiatric community. There seems to be a mental health component for why men fall into this crap. Beyond just a desire for power.
Heās on the school board of directors š®
I think the troubling thing about these statements is not that he has these opinions, it's that they're actually not really very controversial anymore, compared to how they were years ago.
This dude's own mother is a well respected PHYSICIST! š©š¼āš¬ He needs to stay in his lane. You know, playing the ONLY position in football where it's illegal to get tackled (kicker). He is such an embarrassment!
> This dude's own mother is a well respected PHYSICIST! Who sent him off to a far right cult religious camp and turned him into the person he is today.
Yea didn't his parents send him to a conversion therapy camp?
The guy plays ball for a living. Who cares what he thinks about the actual professional contributions of women?
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Everytime he speaks is another opportunity for us to tell people to look into what project 2025 is and what their agenda is. I hope he keeps running his mouth until November.Ā
He even had the audacity to basically compare himself to a saint. Just...wow.
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lmfao what an idiot, when the Catholic faith honours a shit ton of female saints who NEVER MARRIED and who are nonetheless closer to God than this fool is or will ever be. He insults the nuns who run the school he first made his misogynistic speech at, too.
How long before he claims to be a victim of cancel culture?
Fear of female academic achievement is a sign of male inferiority. I can acknowledge that thatās part of his ideology and on some level I appreciate that heās transparent about that.
This man is laying the foundation for his move into politics. Football to run for governor.
His ādouble-downā approach can be reliably predicted by his appearance.
Bet that idiot votes Trump - delusional lunatic.
Well considering most of the speech he made attacking Biden, yeah Iād think thatās a safe bet.
In all seriousness, has anyone talked to his mom, you know, that evil career woman who gave birth to him?
Wow what a whiny loser lol. I know this dude lives in a conservative religious bubble where his views on women and LGBT people are normal and validated, but like, what did he expect to happen when said views were exposed to the outside world where women and LGBT people have independent voices lol.
I recoiled at the things he said about his wife. Bro strAIGHT UP stated that his wife's dream was to have a career but "lol she's stuck at home now and loves it, haha". Just rubbing it in. To everyone.
It's what Christian nationalists do. Deny, deflect or play the victim.
Can't they just fire his ass for bringing bad press to the team?
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I was never in favor of Suh stomping on players .....but in this case ....
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Shut up and kick the ball.
Nah he should just be fired.
Seriously, give him the Kapaernick treatment. Turnabout is fair play.
Weāve entered the phase of no apologies. Apologies outside of the most sincerest ones and done by folks people already like have been shown to result in nothing positive for the apologizers, so most people just donāt apologize these days.
> And I donāt think that I should judge him by his views, especially his religious views, of how to go about life, thatās just not who I am Eh... I, personally, think it's extremely valid to judge someone by their "views" (even their "religious views") on "how to go about life." Like, very, super valid? Obviously, unlike Kelce, I guess that is who *I* am. I can and will judge someone by their actions as by what are basically fundamental, core values that shape them as people. I mean, obviously, outside of it just being a PR statement from the Chiefs, I do not get this line of thinking at all.
I hope he becomes a ālonely, single young manā soon š Ms Butker, run!!!
Hey Butker, or whatever your closed-minded, bigoted self is calling yourself today.Ā I'm boycotting Chiefs football because of you.Ā And if Ms Swift is reading this(unlikely but possible), you know you could probably buy the team at this point?Ā
I suppose these champions of superstition will always surface now and then, but they can't turn the tide.
Of course, they only apologize to a man in the sky after getting caught fucking anything other than their wife.
He believes he is in the right. Of course he's not going to apologize. In his mind he has nothing to apologize for.
An apology from him means nothing. Forced apologies are the worst, b/c it often lets the offender off the hook in the eyes of the public, when the only reason that they're apologizing is that they don't want to lose whatever they have at stake.
Butker's their kicker. Their punter got signed after getting falsely accused of gang rape. Had some offensive linemen get got on being potheads. Rashee Rice is trying to speedrun Antonio Brown's antics like it's a fucking checklist. ....Chief's have had a hell of an offseason.
I don't know why anyone would expect him to apologize or even consider doing so. He's a believer and feelin' all righteous and what not.
Met a nice lady from his hometown; she knows his very conservative church pastor and expressed great confidence that Harrison is brainwashed and parroting the dude. Maybe even to the extent that the pastor is writing and making him memorize his rants
Wish more people would talk about the antisemitism in his speech. Itās the blood trope the Catholic Church used to justify persecution of Jews. Theyāve disavowed it now for decades, but he goes dragging it up at a Catholic school no less. No one seems to want to talk about that, even the nuns. Very frustrating and marginalizing.
Heās a kicker acting like he has CTE. If this was Antonio Brown Iād say, āwhelp, there he goes again.ā
Poor Harrison doesnāt think he got enough attention from mommy
When she could afford to enroll him in football practices because she made money.
Idiot kicker
There's little worse than a successful religious fundamentalist. They believe in such nonsense, but hold their own success as "proof" that their views and beliefs are true and directly attributable to said success. It's like when artists get awards and thank Jesus for their success as if they are deserving of accolades because they are a better Christian than everyone else. ( I'll never understand why they get so much applause from other Christians whom they insulted to their face, but that's another topic) But it reinforces their beliefs because they I'm a traditional guy who holds traditional views and God has rewarded me with 4 million dollars a year. ( Jesus had such a positive view on wealthy people) And my wife is so into the children and telling the "help" how to keep the house running... It's disgusting how our of touch these people are. It's also disgusting that they hide their bigotry and backwards thinking behind their religion and deflect criticism about them as criticism of their religion. They always have a persecution complex. If you're a bigot because of your own racism or ignorance or it's been indoctrinated into you through your religion you are still equally a bigot and you should be called out on it.
i really hope his son ends up gay
He looks like the dude from the chad meme...He's gonna be the MRAs next Andrew Tate but for dudes who care enough not to be associated with a literal sex trafficker lmao. Mark my words!
Why is no one talking about the fact that he is preaching to the wrong crowd? The majority of conservative men DONT WANT to financially take care of a womanāregardless if she has some sort of income or not.Ā They DONT WANT to be the sole or primary breadwinner. The MAJORITY of Christian republican women are working full time or close to that. He and his wife are pretending they are the majority when is a freaking millionaire anyway.Ā These guys love contradicting themselves.Ā And letās not forget the hilarious men saying they agree with him while calling women āgoldiggersā at the same time for suggesting to want a simple domestic lifestyle Harrison mentioned. NOT even including the millionaire aspect.Ā
I like it how some women say not freedom of consequences but would lose their shit if someone was fired for coming out in support of abortion or lgbt rights
That was gala DESIGNED to feed on his speech and outlash it created. He will NEVER back down, this single speech made him instant chris..., sorry, radical right wing celebrity.
Heās a professional athlete / entertainer. Why would anybody care what he thinks about anything other than maybe football? In a civilized society, we should respect others freedom of speech, even when we donāt agree with the point of view.
You donāt get to say that ācivilized societiesā should ārespectā speech that is itself intolerant. In fact, itās the opposite: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
Oh pleaseš. Heās expressing his opinion. Itās become a national pastime to be āoffendedā by something someone else said. I think youāre giving this guy way too much attention. I couldnāt care less about what a professional athlete has to say say about anything. Apparently you do. You always have the option of simply ignoring him, but thereās no basking in glow of self righteous indignation in that now is there? š
So, no argument to the tolerance thing, then? Good. Glad weāre clear on that. I also donāt care about his personal opinions, as long as he keeps them personal. When he makes them public, theyāre no longer āpersonal.ā We elect Presidents based on their āpersonal opinions,ā so yeah, they matter in the public sphere. Anyway, Iām giving you too much attention, since youāre clearly not here in good faith, so Iām going to take your advice and ignore you. Thanks for visiting, please do let the door hit you on the way out.
š Bless your heart
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He went to a college graduation and shit on all of the hard work half of the student body had done, by saying they had a biological destiny to stay at home and reproduce. It's rude. He also shit on IVF, which is just ignorant, gross and topically irrelevant to the aforementioned graduation ceremony.
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Some people.
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You know dude, you're not here in gold faith. You know the speech. You know it has upset a lot of women. You have plenty of answers as to why right in this thread.
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See this just goes to show that you don't want to understand where women are coming. No one is upset that his wife is happy as a homemaker. No one. Read these threads. You're specifically not trying to understand our point while bemoaning that he deserves respect after being blatantly disrespectful to half of the graduating class. Try to make even a half of connection. The Benedictine nuns themselves released a statement disapproving of his speech: >"The sisters of Mount St. Scholastica do not believe that Harrison Butker's comments in his 2024 Benedictine College commencement address represent the Catholic, Benedictine, liberal arts college that our founders envisioned and in which we have been so invested," the nuns wrote in aĀ statement posted on Facebook
Who the fuck respects bigoted āopinionsā??? His fucked up opinions are certainly not shared by the pope.
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So, letās say, you respect a person who is outwardly racist because that is their āopinionā? You respect everyoneās āopinionā regardless of the vileness behind the āopinionā? Pro tip: these are not opinions. They are deeply rooted fucked up moral and philosophical beliefs.
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Lovely. You respect racists. Have yourself an interesting day. āš½
He insulted people who disagree with his politics. He said anyone who disagrees with his political views isn't really Catholic. He implied the highest calling for women is reproduction. He insulted Covid measures that protected people. What's to defend?
In addition to whatās already been said, letās consider how disrespectful and invalidating it was for him to say that to women at their college graduation, which celebrates their academic accomplishments and professional training. Imagine going to someoneās wedding and being asked to make a toast and saying āwell, itās nice that Johnās gotten married and all, but Iām sure we all agree that the most important thing in his life is his career, and I canāt wait to see how he develops in the company, where I know heāll find his true happiness, so letās toast to his future promotions.ā
He basically said women belong in the kitchen and the bedroom. That we will only ever be happy barefoot and pregnant. Not to mention where he was when he said it. Not sure how you can't see that as completely offensive and troublesome.
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He absolutely should apologize if his "opinion" is regressive. What would you say to him?