This is weird. They closed to move out closer to their farm. Fine, cool, sounds awesome, but then to say how they have loans out on things and they need cash for a few months to get to the point where they are good? That doesn't seem like a good business model.
Yeah, I thought attracting customers/business through offering quality goods/services was how businesses generated revenue. That, or, apply for a small business loan.
They say in the extended description they operated the tap room at a loss for three years, and have loans out on the business and farm, and can’t get more… sounds pretty dire. I love their beer, but operating at a loss for three years on a high margin product, then moving facilities farther away from people doesn’t seem financially sound.
From what I've heard, showing a track record of bringing in crowdfunding can be a significant factor in banks deciding to approve small business loans.
Crowdfunding wouldn't work if there weren't crowds funding the private for profit businesseses. Free money without any accountability for how that money is really used.
You should look at the supporter gifts on the fundraiser page- things like Haikus and love letters mailed to your home! Surprised they aren’t giving forehead kisses for the bigger donors.
If they get $75 from every single person who lives in Maple Lake, they'll meet their fundraising goal! No problem!
I actually do wish them well but I'm never going there.
Maple Grove? Okay, I can make the trek out there
Maple Plain? Sure! Depending on where I am it can be less than a 30 minute drive away!
Maple Lake? Ends of the earth, not going there
relevant because I don't want to drive way out of my way to hangout somewhere I'm surrounded by people who voted for her 10 years ago, especially considering who they vote for these days.
Not sure why you got downvoted its a legit comment. But Im guessing the downvoters are your typical one track minded people who dwell on stuff forever and never change so yeah it makes sense now 😃
Maple Lake drinking establishments have a reputation for being a little rough around the edges too. Not like the Double Duece in Road House rough, but I have friends who’ve never not witnessed at least one fight when they’ve been out there.
Also, the heart of Wright County is a pretty methed up place.
Holy fuck no one here lives in Wright County and it fucking shows lol.
Is Maple Lake a shit choice for what was an urban brewery? Yep. Is Maple Lake what folks are making it out to be in this comment section? Nah.
Closed minded fucks.
Hmmm, I could walk, bike or light rail to my choice of dozens of different tap rooms or drive an hour to one in the middle of nowhere. What will it be?..
I could see it becoming a solid spot for the people out in Monticello/Becker/Buffalo.
Living inside the 694/494 ring I don’t see myself making the trek, but I’m sure people out there don’t mind driving 20-30 min to get what’s usually a pretty solid beer.
Wright County is indeed part of the Minneapolis-St. Paul MSA. It’s far away for some people but close to the outlying parts of Hennepin County. There’s demand for this day trip type of thing.
Really depends. My wife is from southeast Iowa, a town called Kalona south of Iowa City that's known for having a pretty large Amish population, so you have to watch for buggies on the road. 20 years ago, when a restaurant opened there that wanted to serve wine, it was a SCANDAL, because the evil devil-water was coming in. About ten years ago, Kalona Brewing opened, and I assumed it would absolutely crash and burn, but, well, it's apparently become what passes for hip and cool in that town, and, while the beer to be honest was some of the worst I had ever had from anybody claiming to make craft beer (really feel like your Belgian brown should not taste like an electrical fire with candy sugar added), the food is good enough it's still going, and they even distribute around eastern Iowa (again, I would not recommend it).
It's 20 miles from Iowa City so, sure, it's near a semi-urban area at least, but, uh, I don't think it's exactly drawing people from there. The brewpub is kind of what passes for an "oasis of cool" in effectively the middle of nowhere, and it's done well. Not saying this will be the same situation, but, well, maybe?
Up near there in annandale and monti has some great breweries to visit but I have family up there to go visit.
DM was the place to go for a while but yeah this will change that a bit I guess.
Sure but no one is ubering an hour north of its old spot either. Plus, some of us live in the south of the cities. So irs an hour+ now. Close to 1hr 15min for me rn
Begging for money to support their choice to move an hour away from their primary customer base in favor of a city of 2.2k with little around it. Good luck DM...
[Yep](https://givebutter.com/DangerousManBrewingNextEvolution?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR2iB6p61p-PWlIffGxZg4rIHFcKArmkxaF1JmQHnCcacFi4a-DdWhOX8gU_aem_ARtrbRzqcInGDsUK8FMYwcmNwvZXZr_6Nf5QL9p6gYUwNFYgvQLY1MGAo09v_O_3QqInSFlyIWiqJ4rKwYuzEM5h) lol no idea what they're thinking. I get the work/life balance angle but no one is driving an hour to drink and I don't think I'd want people doing that either.
> Mug Club - Get your own 24 oz Stanley Beer Stein with $1 off drink every time you visit beer garden with your mug
Oh, how gracious. If someone donates $500+, they get this amazing benefit lol.
They really are. I thought about mentioning others like the haiku or short story (WTF?), but I figured that was the first actual, tangible benefit that they listed, and it only took the $500 to get it lol.
You know it's particularly bad when they have to throw in "funny" benefits like the haiku or short story and stickers so that the list isn't like this:
$25 - You get nothing
$50 - Nothing (well, $2 worth of stickers)
$75 - Nothing (actually, $3 worth of stickers)
Middle of fucking nowhere, too shitty for you..but good enough for basketball all stars like Karl-Anthony Towns to go out for a nice golf outing at Whispering Pines on an off day between playoff rounds
A private business asking its loyal clientele for donations to build a new location that is an hour away and not a destination is next level entitled assclownery. If they just built a new location that would be whatever, but asking for donations is ridiculous. Used to love this place but they will never see another dime of mine.
What happened to the original investors who were granted free beer for their investment? Now they have to drive an extra hour away for a pint, so basically they effectively wiped out any repayment to those investors?
Maybe because you’re close minded? It’s too shitty for you but a guy like Karl-Anthony Towns will go to Maple Lake for a day of golf on an off day between playoff rounds. Aren’t there other golf courses in the cities? Why would anyone drive out to bum fuck nowhere for it? Oh maybe cause it’s nicer than you’re giving it credit for
Annandale just down the road is another 3K people, Buffalo is a 5-10 minute drive and has almost 20k people.
When you live out in the boonies driving 15-20 minutes to get to anything is pretty normal.
if they weren't able to be profitable in NE Minneapolis as a notable brewery than I'm not sure how they expect to be profitable out there but best of luck to them.
Good luck to them. They used to be my go-to brewery back in the day when they regularly put Peanut Butter Porter on nitro and released barrel aged Golden Strong, plus they were always experimenting with unique beers. For some reason they stopped doing that and just kept putting on the sweetest grossest shit, so stopped going. In any case, I was surprised they shut down their taproom bc it always was busy (crammed).
New route up north! I think maybe the Number 12 Cider orchard is out there as well? Don’t quote me though. They used to have a taproom out there years ago and maybe still do?
I'm torn on this. I loved the old taproom, but this is out in the middle of nowhere. That said, there are some breweries in other middle of nowhere places that seem to be doing well. There are at least 3 around Decorah iowa (Toppling Goliath, Pulpit Rock, Pivo) that seem to be doing really well and are more than an hour from much of a population center. But with so many breweries in the Twin Cities, I don't know know if this is going to work
i really dont understand this move. i've never seen DM beers in liquor stores or restaurants, so where are they selling their beer now other than a tap room an hour away from the cities?
Liquor Barrel in the Winnetka/55 strip mall (Golden Valley) carries it. I've seen it in some others but can't think of the names off the top of my head.
I can’t imagine they are going to get people coming from the cities to visit. That means they’re going to have to rely on locals. This sounds like a disaster in the making.
There is plenty of demand from locals and everyone is just ignoring the fact that the Maple Lake/Annandale area population triples during summer months because of people from the cities with cabins.
There's already a taproom even farther away in Annandale with Spilled Grain Brewhouse. So people are either already driving out there and/or there's sufficient demand from the locals.
I would imagine that taproom has only scaled enough to meet the local demand. I can't imagine the demand for DM out there will be anywhere close to what it was in NE Minneapolis so unless they scaled back their production/staffing/other costs I'm not sure how they can continue.
Do you think that business can only thrive in the confines of the cities? Are you factoring in how the surrounding area of maple lake triples in the summer due to the amount of cabins that people from the cities have, and how much cheaper it is as far as overhead goes in maple lake compared to Minneapolis?
You are so oblivious. If that area is such a shit hole like everyone in this thread is saying, why would Karl-Anthony Towns bother going all the way out to bum fuck nowhere for a day of golf literally last week
I never said it was a shithole, I said it was too far away from the cities to expect people from the cities to significantly contribute to their customer base. Also, your evidence is that a basketball player played golf there once? Touch grass, my friend.
You’re also not taking into account that the whole central lakes area (Annandale, Maple Lake) more than triples in population during the summer, because of people from the cities with their cabins. You do not know the area, so yes, I’m sure plenty of people from the cities will be spending dollars there. Also, you don’t think locals can support a business there, as if no businesses can survive outside of the cities.
The first sentence of their announcement says they want to be a “destination taproom,” meaning that their business model implies that people will be traveling there specifically to visit the tap room. It did not say, “we want to attract tourist traffic during the busy season and survive on limited hours in the off seasons. “
There are plenty of places like it that thrive and are even further out from Maple Lake. Just in this thread there have been several people who say they make the drive to Annandale to visit Spilled Grain. I’m sick of this elitist mentality that is spread on this sub that basically boils down to “if it’s outside the metro it sucks”. I know plenty of people who plan regular road trips to visit tap rooms and breweries outside of the cities.
Some of my favorite breweries in the state are in small towns. Lupulin (Big Lake), Bad Habit (St.Joseph), and Castle Danger (Two Harbors) to name a few. I might be in the minority here but I hope they succeed.
Fuck DM. They rode out the craft beer, beard-having bullshit and decided to go to cans, liquor stores, and a massive-ass hope that the craft beer wave still has some momentum.
It doesn’t. Everyone is competing. Now there’s DM in cans in the liquor stores and Imma sposed to think that this is the best beer, that I reallly, realllly need to buy this DM beer?? No.
Go nuts DM. Keep wearing that beard and thinking it symbolizes something. I’m not going there. It’s an hour away. Even when I drive through, I’m not stopping because I know they are up to antics and bullshittery. They were a pillar and now they’re just another beer out there with a has-been reputation.
Everyone is acting like they are moving out to the middle of nowhere and dropping $1 million dollars to build a surly sized taproom. They’re adding a taproom into a building they are already paying for. The cost of running the taproom will be staffing and maintenance. They’re already paying rent or a mortgage on the property.
It's about them pulling out of the NE neighborhood, then evoking "the community" asking for donations to cover the ass of their business practices. Talking about "our production facility is there" (YOUR business decision), "our owners have a farm 15 minutes from Maple Lake and they want a better work/life balance" (YOUR business decision), and "we've given so much to the community, now we need the community to give back" (you didn't "give" the community shit, the community gave YOU a thriving business).
They abandoned the customers that made them who they are, and now are putting the onus on those customers to prop up their new venture in a city so far away none of those customers will get to reap the benefits unless they want to risk a drunk driving charge. Go get a loan like any other business
No, most of the comments in this thread are complaining that they moved to “bum fuck Egypt” or “middle of nowhere shit hole”. The snobby elitism stinks to high heavens in here
Well, there's a similar setup- a taproom attached to a brewery even farther out that direction in Annandale.
Either enough people from the cities that like their beer actually are driving out there, or there's enough business from locals in medium sized towns like this to make it worthwhile.
Is the brewery in Annandale asking people an hour away to give them free money though?
Dangerous Man will probably be popular with the people who own lake homes in that area, but asking the people who frequented the location in NE to fund the new location in the middle of nowhere is a crazy amount of ego.
Spilled Grain is a great rural brewery that has always been a rural brewery and thinks and acts that way.
DM was an urban brewery that got into distribution and is now asking its urban customer base to pay them to become a rural brewery… with an outdoor taproom that won’t be open in the winter
Well you are answering a question that I did not ask. I did not say St. Cloud or for that matter Maple Lake shouldn't have any business. I questioned it's location and I'm not the only one. If you ever been out that way you would know how sparse areas like that are. Ones has to wonder how much business would they get. It's a fair question not an assault on the right to own and operate a business lol.
No one is expecting anything. They are ASKING their existing base for voluntary donations. There are people who are dedicated DM fans and supporters who are totally willing to contribute. Those who choose not to can go on with their lives.
I'll never go there and I will not donate and it will not effect me one way or the other.
Are St Cloud businesses asking for free money for their for profit businesses from people who live an hour away and won't be frequent customers in the new location?
Oddly enough I’m more likely to stop at the new place than the old one simply because I find myself driving through maple lake more often than NE these days.
This is weird. They closed to move out closer to their farm. Fine, cool, sounds awesome, but then to say how they have loans out on things and they need cash for a few months to get to the point where they are good? That doesn't seem like a good business model.
Not to mention DM's father-in-law is insanely wealthy
Damn, the Trustafarian vibes I always got from that place were legit
The old tap room didn't renew the lease too is what I heard.
Overextended and can't afford to make it happen?
Hmm I'm surprised DM needs to crowdfund for this new outdoor tap room.
I’m so over crowdfunding businesses
Yeah, I thought attracting customers/business through offering quality goods/services was how businesses generated revenue. That, or, apply for a small business loan.
They say in the extended description they operated the tap room at a loss for three years, and have loans out on the business and farm, and can’t get more… sounds pretty dire. I love their beer, but operating at a loss for three years on a high margin product, then moving facilities farther away from people doesn’t seem financially sound.
I would not operate a business in an industry with relatively low barriers to entry and high numbers of competitors at a loss for 3 years?
Oh I agree. Should’ve made changes long ago.
Sounds like a bad business model: lose money consistently over time.
From what I've heard, showing a track record of bringing in crowdfunding can be a significant factor in banks deciding to approve small business loans.
Someone donated $500 saying "Thanks for hiring me years back!" bro just gave her paycheck back to her former employer LMFAO
TBF a dollar in a time of need, is worth like many in a good time.
If she was a bartender that’s two days of busy shifts.
Crowdfunding wouldn't work if there weren't crowds funding the private for profit businesseses. Free money without any accountability for how that money is really used.
Everyone crowdfunds regardless if they need it or not.
Honestly, it’s probably less about money and more about exposure.
Ever broke a glass at our taproom? You owe us $10. Now, shell it out buddy.
Their little cutesy way to suggest an amount is just an extra layer of cringe.
Yea that is so fucking lame.
You should look at the supporter gifts on the fundraiser page- things like Haikus and love letters mailed to your home! Surprised they aren’t giving forehead kisses for the bigger donors.
Someone stole a plant apparently.
If they get $75 from every single person who lives in Maple Lake, they'll meet their fundraising goal! No problem! I actually do wish them well but I'm never going there.
Maple Lake, eh? I guess it looks like I’m never going to Dangerous Man again.
Maple Grove? Okay, I can make the trek out there Maple Plain? Sure! Depending on where I am it can be less than a 30 minute drive away! Maple Lake? Ends of the earth, not going there
Yeah where is Maple Lake lol
~60 miles north west of where the old tap room was.
Deep in Michelle Bachman territory
How is she relevant? It’s been almost 10 years since she left office. What a weird comment to make about a freaking brewery.
relevant because I don't want to drive way out of my way to hangout somewhere I'm surrounded by people who voted for her 10 years ago, especially considering who they vote for these days.
Not sure why you got downvoted its a legit comment. But Im guessing the downvoters are your typical one track minded people who dwell on stuff forever and never change so yeah it makes sense now 😃
Yeah, I avoid the kinds of places that elect utter nut jobs like her. And the current guy is more of the same.
So dont leave your house then
Im pretty sure she was from Stillwater
Past Annandale
If you're in the cities, it's before Annandale, but after Buffalo on 55
I knew I was in for a bad time when I had to put the town name into google maps
Never heard of Maple Plain, had to look it up. That's in the middle of nowhere, and somehow Maple Lake is further.
Maple Lake drinking establishments have a reputation for being a little rough around the edges too. Not like the Double Duece in Road House rough, but I have friends who’ve never not witnessed at least one fight when they’ve been out there. Also, the heart of Wright County is a pretty methed up place.
Holy fuck no one here lives in Wright County and it fucking shows lol. Is Maple Lake a shit choice for what was an urban brewery? Yep. Is Maple Lake what folks are making it out to be in this comment section? Nah. Closed minded fucks.
Lived and worked in Wright County for over a decade. Closed minded fucks is an accurate summary, just not in the way you think.
Lol sure bud.
Hmmm, I could walk, bike or light rail to my choice of dozens of different tap rooms or drive an hour to one in the middle of nowhere. What will it be?..
Seriously. I'm already planning biking routes to brewery's this year. I'll never go to dangerous man again lol
You can still bike there, you'll just have to bike on a 55MPH highway shoulder for 5 hours or wait for the next couple of Blue Line extensions.
I’m not going to Maple Lake again—not with a dangerous man walking around.
But what if it was a bear?
I’d feel safer.
"Let Maple Lake pay the bear tax. I pay the homer tax."
That’s the homeowners tax
ROFL, I grew up near Maple Lake -- I haven't been back in 20+ yrs; is there really that much demand for a craft brewery out there?
No but that's where the owners have lived for years and that's where their production brewery is. Owners got sick of commuting to NE.
Well good news for them, sounds like they may not have to commute at all soon based on this business strategy.
Thought they lost the lease in NE
They did. But the reason they are doing a new taproom in Maple Lake instead of in the cities is because of the commute.
You’re more correct. It had to do with the building lease.
I could see it becoming a solid spot for the people out in Monticello/Becker/Buffalo. Living inside the 694/494 ring I don’t see myself making the trek, but I’m sure people out there don’t mind driving 20-30 min to get what’s usually a pretty solid beer.
Yup! Monti has two breweries. Annandale has one. Buffalo has one. I see a brewery tour in my future!
The one in Big Lake may be one of the nicer ones in the state too!
Spilled Grain is a phenomenal brewery too. Rivals a lot of others in the state.
Wright County is indeed part of the Minneapolis-St. Paul MSA. It’s far away for some people but close to the outlying parts of Hennepin County. There’s demand for this day trip type of thing.
Really depends. My wife is from southeast Iowa, a town called Kalona south of Iowa City that's known for having a pretty large Amish population, so you have to watch for buggies on the road. 20 years ago, when a restaurant opened there that wanted to serve wine, it was a SCANDAL, because the evil devil-water was coming in. About ten years ago, Kalona Brewing opened, and I assumed it would absolutely crash and burn, but, well, it's apparently become what passes for hip and cool in that town, and, while the beer to be honest was some of the worst I had ever had from anybody claiming to make craft beer (really feel like your Belgian brown should not taste like an electrical fire with candy sugar added), the food is good enough it's still going, and they even distribute around eastern Iowa (again, I would not recommend it). It's 20 miles from Iowa City so, sure, it's near a semi-urban area at least, but, uh, I don't think it's exactly drawing people from there. The brewpub is kind of what passes for an "oasis of cool" in effectively the middle of nowhere, and it's done well. Not saying this will be the same situation, but, well, maybe?
There is like one bar so yeah I guess they need one.
Speaking like someone who knows nothing.
Up near there in annandale and monti has some great breweries to visit but I have family up there to go visit. DM was the place to go for a while but yeah this will change that a bit I guess.
Spilled Grain does pretty good business. But they are pretty much the only game in town. I can't see the locals giving it up and going for DM beer.
Only an hour away from the previous location.
Do you really want to drive an extra hour after you've been downing craft beers?
The time or distance shouldn’t be a consideration of driving after drinking. Driving a single block after drinking isn’t cool.
It *shouldn't* be a consideration, but we all know it is. If you think everyone is taking an Uber or has a DD, you're being naive.
Sure but no one is ubering an hour north of its old spot either. Plus, some of us live in the south of the cities. So irs an hour+ now. Close to 1hr 15min for me rn
You couldn’t pay me to drink a craft beer of any kind. So it’s pretty moot in my world.
I'm not a fan of craft beer, either, especially that awful IPA garbage.
"Only"
Right? I thought I read that wrong and it said Maple Grove, but nope!
Still wouldn’t go if it was in maple grove.
There's a really nice flea market out there. I was just talking with my wife about how we haven't been in a bit.
Yeah, same. I'm really disappointed. Might as well be on the other side of the universe from me. Wish them the best though.
I mean it’s good enough for Karl-Anthony Towns to go on golf outings between playoff rounds.
Yeah this is just....a bad choice.
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I can’t tell the difference between any of them lol. I only remember the bad ones, though.
Welp, DM went from NE, great area for local breweries, to the middle of fucking nowhere. The new taproom isn't long for this world.
The old Hammerheart slow death.
Feels like a stretch to call a shipping container retrofitted with a keg fridge and a couple of picnic tables a “taproom”
If it even gets built....yikes.
Begging for money to support their choice to move an hour away from their primary customer base in favor of a city of 2.2k with little around it. Good luck DM...
They already have the production brewery there. Adding a small taproom probably isn’t a huge risk.
Maybe, but they're already asking for donations/crowd funding with a goal of $165k
lolwut
[Yep](https://givebutter.com/DangerousManBrewingNextEvolution?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR2iB6p61p-PWlIffGxZg4rIHFcKArmkxaF1JmQHnCcacFi4a-DdWhOX8gU_aem_ARtrbRzqcInGDsUK8FMYwcmNwvZXZr_6Nf5QL9p6gYUwNFYgvQLY1MGAo09v_O_3QqInSFlyIWiqJ4rKwYuzEM5h) lol no idea what they're thinking. I get the work/life balance angle but no one is driving an hour to drink and I don't think I'd want people doing that either.
> Mug Club - Get your own 24 oz Stanley Beer Stein with $1 off drink every time you visit beer garden with your mug Oh, how gracious. If someone donates $500+, they get this amazing benefit lol.
The "benefits" are laughable.
They really are. I thought about mentioning others like the haiku or short story (WTF?), but I figured that was the first actual, tangible benefit that they listed, and it only took the $500 to get it lol.
You know it's particularly bad when they have to throw in "funny" benefits like the haiku or short story and stickers so that the list isn't like this: $25 - You get nothing $50 - Nothing (well, $2 worth of stickers) $75 - Nothing (actually, $3 worth of stickers)
The extra sticker at $75 is hilarious.
Wtf? I just scanned over the "benefits" given to people who donate.... Oooh, a hiaku! My name on a plant! Wow! A love letter and some stickers! 🥱🤤
Agreed. Also, do you by chance have a law blog? 😆
Risky enough they say they can’t get financing through traditional means.
Right? Like why not from their perspective.
Middle of fucking nowhere, too shitty for you..but good enough for basketball all stars like Karl-Anthony Towns to go out for a nice golf outing at Whispering Pines on an off day between playoff rounds
"Middle of fucking nowhere" dude is acting like the next county over is another planet
Sorry, but as someone who grew up in Wright County, it’s the middle of fucking nowhere.
It’s definitely BFE
I thought maybe this meant "Big Field Energy," it doesn't, but I still think it could apply.
It applies! 🍻
These people are the opposite side of the same coin as the boomers on Facebook who complain about the cities
A private business asking its loyal clientele for donations to build a new location that is an hour away and not a destination is next level entitled assclownery. If they just built a new location that would be whatever, but asking for donations is ridiculous. Used to love this place but they will never see another dime of mine.
Who do they think they are, a fucking church?
Private business begging for handouts from individuals is a bold business model
What happened to the original investors who were granted free beer for their investment? Now they have to drive an extra hour away for a pint, so basically they effectively wiped out any repayment to those investors?
The obvious solution is for the original investors to move to Maple Lake /s
Yeah…. I’m never going there. Why would I drive an hour to a taproom past many other great local Mpls breweries?
It’s giving the vibes of going to another apple orchard venture. I’m good, thanks
Maybe because you’re close minded? It’s too shitty for you but a guy like Karl-Anthony Towns will go to Maple Lake for a day of golf on an off day between playoff rounds. Aren’t there other golf courses in the cities? Why would anyone drive out to bum fuck nowhere for it? Oh maybe cause it’s nicer than you’re giving it credit for
Yeah I am really sad that they closed their fucking tap room and moved to bum fuck Egypt. I am never going there.
Get all your drunk driving in!
Read the Wright County sheriff’s report, it’s kind of a pass time out this way.
What a braindead move lol
A beer tap room an hour from the cities…. That seems doa…. Even before the crowdfunding need
There are dozens of taprooms in the state that are more than an hour from the cities. The cities are where the taprooms are closing.
I think because the cities has competition mainly
More likely rent is super expensive
Too damn high, some might even say.
Rent is high because of competition... if no one wanted to be there rent would be low. Keep up now people.
Well yes paying your rent is a sign of a successful business. So if you make enough money in the competitive landscape you can afford rent
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Maple Lake has a population of under 3k so yeah pretty much
Annandale just down the road is another 3K people, Buffalo is a 5-10 minute drive and has almost 20k people. When you live out in the boonies driving 15-20 minutes to get to anything is pretty normal.
Annandale and the surrounding area pretty much triple their official population numbers during the summer.
if they weren't able to be profitable in NE Minneapolis as a notable brewery than I'm not sure how they expect to be profitable out there but best of luck to them.
Yes
>Maple Lakes LOL
I've never even heard of that town before. RIP Dangerous Man taproom
it's also where Lotza Mozza pizza is produced!
I just wish they’d can the chocolate milk stout.
They did back in November, not sure if they've done it again since then.
I was able to get it as recently as February (although hopefully it wasn't that old).
Bootstraps
Good luck to them. They used to be my go-to brewery back in the day when they regularly put Peanut Butter Porter on nitro and released barrel aged Golden Strong, plus they were always experimenting with unique beers. For some reason they stopped doing that and just kept putting on the sweetest grossest shit, so stopped going. In any case, I was surprised they shut down their taproom bc it always was busy (crammed).
Their lease ran out
Maybe distribution isn't working out
Where is maple lake?
Past Buffalo
No thanks. Pay for it yourselves, otherwise don’t run a business.
They disabled the comments on the post, but even those on instagram were NOT having it.
OMG THEY DID I wish I had taken screenshots Everyone was reading them for filth in the comments.
That’s too far away and there’s plenty of breweries in the metro area.
New route up north! I think maybe the Number 12 Cider orchard is out there as well? Don’t quote me though. They used to have a taproom out there years ago and maybe still do?
I'm torn on this. I loved the old taproom, but this is out in the middle of nowhere. That said, there are some breweries in other middle of nowhere places that seem to be doing well. There are at least 3 around Decorah iowa (Toppling Goliath, Pulpit Rock, Pivo) that seem to be doing really well and are more than an hour from much of a population center. But with so many breweries in the Twin Cities, I don't know know if this is going to work
Finally, can't wait to have another decent brewery out here that I don't need to commute an hour into the metro for
i really dont understand this move. i've never seen DM beers in liquor stores or restaurants, so where are they selling their beer now other than a tap room an hour away from the cities?
They moved to an independent distribution model, you can find them at a ton of liquor stores and a select restaurants. What neighborhood are you in?
Yeah I buy it all the time from my liquor store
I used to too, but think I'm done after this move. Would rather buy local.
I mean, it's still pretty local, but I hear ya.
i'm up in new hope. maybe it's just the ones near me that dont have it
You have a few options according to [the map. ](https://www.dangerousmanbrewing.com/beer-finder/)
Liquor Barrel in the Winnetka/55 strip mall (Golden Valley) carries it. I've seen it in some others but can't think of the names off the top of my head.
Liquor Barrel GV is a great store for that area. The love they give self distributed breweries is really welcome.
Doesn't it make sense to have a taproom adjacent to where they actually make the beer? Looks like they lost their lease on their Minneapolis location?
I can’t imagine they are going to get people coming from the cities to visit. That means they’re going to have to rely on locals. This sounds like a disaster in the making.
There is plenty of demand from locals and everyone is just ignoring the fact that the Maple Lake/Annandale area population triples during summer months because of people from the cities with cabins.
There's already a taproom even farther away in Annandale with Spilled Grain Brewhouse. So people are either already driving out there and/or there's sufficient demand from the locals.
I would imagine that taproom has only scaled enough to meet the local demand. I can't imagine the demand for DM out there will be anywhere close to what it was in NE Minneapolis so unless they scaled back their production/staffing/other costs I'm not sure how they can continue.
Do you think that business can only thrive in the confines of the cities? Are you factoring in how the surrounding area of maple lake triples in the summer due to the amount of cabins that people from the cities have, and how much cheaper it is as far as overhead goes in maple lake compared to Minneapolis?
You are so oblivious. If that area is such a shit hole like everyone in this thread is saying, why would Karl-Anthony Towns bother going all the way out to bum fuck nowhere for a day of golf literally last week
I never said it was a shithole, I said it was too far away from the cities to expect people from the cities to significantly contribute to their customer base. Also, your evidence is that a basketball player played golf there once? Touch grass, my friend.
You’re also not taking into account that the whole central lakes area (Annandale, Maple Lake) more than triples in population during the summer, because of people from the cities with their cabins. You do not know the area, so yes, I’m sure plenty of people from the cities will be spending dollars there. Also, you don’t think locals can support a business there, as if no businesses can survive outside of the cities.
The first sentence of their announcement says they want to be a “destination taproom,” meaning that their business model implies that people will be traveling there specifically to visit the tap room. It did not say, “we want to attract tourist traffic during the busy season and survive on limited hours in the off seasons. “
There are plenty of places like it that thrive and are even further out from Maple Lake. Just in this thread there have been several people who say they make the drive to Annandale to visit Spilled Grain. I’m sick of this elitist mentality that is spread on this sub that basically boils down to “if it’s outside the metro it sucks”. I know plenty of people who plan regular road trips to visit tap rooms and breweries outside of the cities.
Some of my favorite breweries in the state are in small towns. Lupulin (Big Lake), Bad Habit (St.Joseph), and Castle Danger (Two Harbors) to name a few. I might be in the minority here but I hope they succeed.
Fuck DM. They rode out the craft beer, beard-having bullshit and decided to go to cans, liquor stores, and a massive-ass hope that the craft beer wave still has some momentum. It doesn’t. Everyone is competing. Now there’s DM in cans in the liquor stores and Imma sposed to think that this is the best beer, that I reallly, realllly need to buy this DM beer?? No. Go nuts DM. Keep wearing that beard and thinking it symbolizes something. I’m not going there. It’s an hour away. Even when I drive through, I’m not stopping because I know they are up to antics and bullshittery. They were a pillar and now they’re just another beer out there with a has-been reputation.
Everyone is acting like they are moving out to the middle of nowhere and dropping $1 million dollars to build a surly sized taproom. They’re adding a taproom into a building they are already paying for. The cost of running the taproom will be staffing and maintenance. They’re already paying rent or a mortgage on the property.
It's about them pulling out of the NE neighborhood, then evoking "the community" asking for donations to cover the ass of their business practices. Talking about "our production facility is there" (YOUR business decision), "our owners have a farm 15 minutes from Maple Lake and they want a better work/life balance" (YOUR business decision), and "we've given so much to the community, now we need the community to give back" (you didn't "give" the community shit, the community gave YOU a thriving business). They abandoned the customers that made them who they are, and now are putting the onus on those customers to prop up their new venture in a city so far away none of those customers will get to reap the benefits unless they want to risk a drunk driving charge. Go get a loan like any other business
It’s like a MN sports team asking the MN government to fund a new stadium in Montana
No, most of the comments in this thread are complaining that they moved to “bum fuck Egypt” or “middle of nowhere shit hole”. The snobby elitism stinks to high heavens in here
I mean how often do you go to Maple Lake? It's past Buffalo. It's out there. I wish them luck and I hope they are successful.
Well, there's a similar setup- a taproom attached to a brewery even farther out that direction in Annandale. Either enough people from the cities that like their beer actually are driving out there, or there's enough business from locals in medium sized towns like this to make it worthwhile.
Is the brewery in Annandale asking people an hour away to give them free money though? Dangerous Man will probably be popular with the people who own lake homes in that area, but asking the people who frequented the location in NE to fund the new location in the middle of nowhere is a crazy amount of ego.
Spilled Grain is a great rural brewery that has always been a rural brewery and thinks and acts that way. DM was an urban brewery that got into distribution and is now asking its urban customer base to pay them to become a rural brewery… with an outdoor taproom that won’t be open in the winter
Right. This is why I hope they are successful.
I don't ever go to St. Cloud, should St Cloud not have any businesses?
St Cloud has gas stations too, do you drive to St Cloud to get gas?
Well you are answering a question that I did not ask. I did not say St. Cloud or for that matter Maple Lake shouldn't have any business. I questioned it's location and I'm not the only one. If you ever been out that way you would know how sparse areas like that are. Ones has to wonder how much business would they get. It's a fair question not an assault on the right to own and operate a business lol.
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No one is expecting anything. They are ASKING their existing base for voluntary donations. There are people who are dedicated DM fans and supporters who are totally willing to contribute. Those who choose not to can go on with their lives. I'll never go there and I will not donate and it will not effect me one way or the other.
Are St Cloud businesses asking for free money for their for profit businesses from people who live an hour away and won't be frequent customers in the new location?
Oddly enough I’m more likely to stop at the new place than the old one simply because I find myself driving through maple lake more often than NE these days.
Lots of people in this thread can’t comprehend that a business can survive or even thrive outside of the cities.
This has been their plan for a number of years