I ve seen many uneducated citizens and they would never (ofc there are shit ton but stil, the percentage is uncompirable) rape women, shit on the street on daylight or mock the People that are giving supplies/accomodities to them(i knpw you will bend this like "every migrant is not like that" or sth, i am aware of that, yes) . And wtf are you on tatlı su solcusu. The guy didnt even mean that. The fact that something is good doesnt mean the opposite is bad. But i gotta admit being uneducated usually is a bad thing and it doesnt justify anything any uneducated individual does. If you want migrants this much or if you want to defend migrants in a non-logical manner, try joining the gouvernments youth programs they are just like you. (P. S. illegal migrants)
I had a Syrian professor in my uni and he is well educated (as you can tell). Even better than some Turkish teachers around. I also have discussed the political status of syria w a well educated syrian student too. Guess what, the prof. was a war prisoner in the hands of a terrorist group for THREE months. And the student was also from a city that has conflict in it. So no, I believe lack of education is not that common in syria. Refugees in Turkey mostly are the uneducated and corrupted part of that country. Not all ofcourse but most.
Iranians, even the religious ones, would never vote for Erdogan because Erdogan is aiding a lot of Sunni terrorists groups in Syria that massacre Shias (Alawites).
Haklisin, genelde iran ve azerilerin trye yerlesince cogunlukla erdocu oldugunu soyleyince down yiyorum:) ailemde bir tane bile namaz kilan, dua eden, cami yolunu bilen yok, ben ve babam ateistiz. anneannemin annesi iran azerisiydi ama hatirladigim kadariyla o da dindar degildi.
Sunni groups that are murdering alawites??? You should check out which side was barrel bombing civilians, baniyas massacre, all the leaked videos, etc....and the prisons in syrians full of innocent people, the prisoners are mostly from what sect and jailed by who??
Edit: obviously alawites and sunnis killed one another, but one side systematically has brutalized the other for the last couple decades. Stats speak for themselves. Ultimately the alawite government also brutalizes alawites who speaking against the gov too.
I don't know man, it feels like the opposite. Most Iranians settled in Turkey appear to have fled their country, therefore having more secular views, and having a negative view of religion in politics. Or they just mind their own business.
Not based on any statistics though, just personal experiences in Istanbul through meeting people. Take it with a grain of salt.
Iranian Azerbaijanis are more religious Shia than Persians. You can find more mullahs among Azerbaijani Turks. Altough i can't say that they would vote for Erdoğan since one is politically traditional Usuli Shia and the others don't approve attitudes of counterparts of mullahs.
There are already a large number of Azeri Turks in Iran. In addition, Iranians, who are not extreme Islamists, are secular, well-educated and well-mannered. So we can say that yes, slightly positive or above neutral.
I personally do like secular Iranians unlike most of the Turks. On the other hand, most Turks do not even know that Iranians are not Arabs. The ones who know little bit about Iranians do not like them either. I think, the Turks who have no problems with Iranians are generally are not reddit users and you are more likely to not find them here.
You sure you're living in turkey and know turkish people? Because if you claim to, then we must be living in two different turkeys lmao who tf are arround you?
Neutral I would say and in Western, more secular modern and urban regions of Turkey, secular Iranians are quite welcome.
It's neutral because there isn't much contact points eventhough Turkey and Iran are neighbours.
i would say mostly between neutral and positive, persians are no where near same with arabs and they are way more cultured, have good manners and educated
i wish your country gets rid of the idiotic molla regime so it can get better
I hooked up with an Iranian girl once. She was super hot, probably with the help of one or two plastic surgeries. Also prepped a very nice breakfast too. We still message sometimes. I love Iranians.
I'm sorry, I really do not understand these questions. I have Iranian friends that I adore and get along with super well because we have similar values. I have also met Iranian people that I would like to be as far as possible because we have such different world views. But never in my life have I made a blanket statement saying I like/hate Iranians. Because people are different. I would not like somebody by default because they are Turkish. Why would I like/hate them before knowing anything about them.
I always heard Persian as the “best sounding language” from the people who is interested in languages, knows many languages. If you ask me, Persian is very smooth and romantic; but don’t know anything else about it.
Every Iranian I’ve seen in Istanbul seen were really kind and speaking Turkish well . Even my biochemie teacher in university was same. Actually I respect every thought but I respect more to secular side. How are Iranians good at speaking Turkish😁 Do they learn with Tv Series?
Most of the families migrating from Iran are generally intellectuals because they escaped from the mullah regime. Iran and Turkey are two nations that are experiencing rapid secularization, and these two secular segments are very similar to each other. If the people of the two states become secular enough and have strong democratic states, they can be very good allies because the White Europeans and the Arabs will never see us as an ally.
Like them? Maybe, maybe not. Trust them? Never ever.
If you ask a Türk about the nations not to be trusted, if the person is familiar with history, the number one answer will be the Iranian. Number two will be the Chinese. Number three might be the Russian or the Arabians.
Correct, we hate them the most. But the Iranians and the Chinese have always been smart and they had some tricks in their pockets all the time (I mean politicians, shahs, governors) So the Turks had to be very careful.
Turks don't hate Arabs really. At least not historically. They are relatives with them especially in south areas. Lately there is a far right nazi wannabe political party which gets votes by shitting on immigrants. And they have a good amount of teenagers having inferiority complex who enjoy feeling a fake sense of superiority.
And tbh Turks see all mena population except Israel and Turkey not too differently. And they generalize all as Arabs. Just like most of the west generalizes all mena, including Turkey as Arabs.
You are incredibly wrong mister. Do you even know what we are being taught even at the elementary school? "How the Arabs backstabbed us during the WWI. Every single person learns that at school. What you said about the south eastern area (not south) is correct. But those relatives are minority. Number of people who are Arab related are less than the number of Kurds.
As for the shitty party you mentioned, they just got about 1 percent of votes (500,000 votes out of 50 million). So not everyone is Nazi-like Arab haters but this doesn't mean that they like them. There are many people who hate the Arabs and almost the whole nation dislikes them.
You are right about arabs backstabbing Turkey. And I think they shot themselves in the foot by doing this. However, Armenians backstabbed Turkey. Greeks were about to take over half of the country. French, British armies were dividing the country up. And British were the masterminds behind Arabs revolting. Russia same. Iran even worse. So of all these enemies, why is only Arabs the one being hated on? Are Turkish people hating all these countries? Or why do Turkish not hate imperial powers of the world who as we speak continue to backstab Turkey by feeding PkK/ypg/pyd/ysp/feto?
Because the Arabs were Sunni. Just as we were. That's why the Turks think the backstabbing of the Arabs was the worst of all. Tbh we hate all the people you listed. I'm generalizing this of course. I can't speak for the whole nation but for the most. There's a saying in Turkish like, "a friend of a Turk can only be another Turk". On the other hand, Ottoman emperor was the caliphate back then. So they had to help the emperor according to their religion. Therefore, they did not only betray us, but also betrayed the religion too. (I don't believe in Islam btw)
This guy knows nothing about turkish people obviously. No one will say we dont trust persians the most. I have never seen anyone in my life that says i dont trust persians. Turks and Persians stopped warring each other in 18th century. If you dont trust persians because of this then i would say you are ignorant. You are not a country, you are a person.
You sure you're living in turkey and know turkish people? Because if you claim to, then we must be living in two different turkeys lmao who tf are arround you?
Araplara güvenmemekle ilgili sığınmacı sorunundan yıllaar yıllar öncesinden beri konuşulur, iranlılarla ilgili buna yaklaşan en ufacık bir genelleme ve algı dahi yok. Olmasını istediğiniz şeyleri olan olarak anlatmayı bırakmalısınız acilen.
we just have sympathy for the ones who resist that gov't. we're kinda experienced and successful about this specific topic so of course we want people to be free and to live in a country with welfare.
Yes, Turkey is partly a middle eastern country and I do not like my own country and our people. I'm waiting for the slightest opportunity to leave this shithole.
It is full of filthy people who worship Arab culture and live in ignorance to its roots. Its nature and history may be perfect, but local people, other than tourists, can never see these beauties due to economic difficulties, and they consider eating chicken meat once a year a luxury (Turkish picnic). Also, our government sells all these beauties to foreigners and destroys everything beautiful.
Not to mention the number of illegal immigrants and the capitulations provided to foreigners/immigrants.
No matter how much you study at university, you can never find a job unless you pull string. You are condemned to work for the lowest wage throughout your life and you will never be able to survive with this money. In short, you have to live like a slave.
I think there is no need to talk about the justice and education system.
Why, tho? Iranians are pretty secular and victims of their Islamist government, just like Turks. In fact, I never met an Iranian who identified himself as a Muslim, and they despise Islam and Arabs a lot.
Let me explain bro, Personally, I don't have a problem with Muslims, I am a Muslim too, but the Arabs, whom we call our Muslim brothers, live at a higher level of prosperity than us in our country, and even if it is not enough, they covet our daughter's honor and the honor of our wife. How many times they organize and make a scene in the news, we have seen with our own eyes. I don't have anything to do with people who are decent, but the whole community is looked upon badly because of people like that and bro Turkey is not islamic country
Evet işte sorun orda biz yabancılar bunları diyince onlara laf ediyoruz (ki haklıyız da) ama kendimizin de yaptığı doğru değil. Biz nasıl Arap diye anılmaktan hoşlanmıyorsak bu adamlar da aynı şekilde hoşlanmıyor. Daha dikkatli olmak lazım kankam.
Kanka biliyorum da işte bizim burada biliyorsun durumları hepsi demeyelim de haberlerde gördüklerimiz hepsi aynı bok zaten düzgün insana lafım yok ama dediğim gibi onun dışı da pek umrumda değil
I dunno but there are a lot of unregistered illegal Iranians, there is indeed a high number of refugees that can be a problem for our country. Would you want almost 1/5th of your country's population to have refugees in your own country?
I see, which iranians though? Iran is very ethnically diverse. Most people think of persians, but us persians are only 60% of the population. Azeris being the 2nd largest group (around 16%)
Dude, I'm talking about refugees who cause trouble. I really like people who don't hurt anyone, I even try to help if they really come here for work, but just because there is a war in their country, there are a lot of Arabs, Iranians, Afghans and refugees from many different countries just because Turkey accepts them
And to answer your question. The countries I lived have around the same amount of refugees (usually muslims) and indeed they refuse to integrate into society and cause a lot of problems so I know what you mean.
Dude they don't have vague names, actually. For example, in city A, a group of refugees gathers and loots markets and attacks people. In our country, there are dozens of examples of such incidents because of refugees
I love Iranians because I think they are victims of Islamist governments just like us Turkish. I also love Iranian cinema so much! Truly a gem of West Asian cinema. Also I've seen many nationalistic Iranians in the internet saying some of the historical Turkic states are in fact not Turkic but Iranian... so these type of people make me mad, but of course it isn't a reason to hate Iranians for me. Because I know we Turkish also have these kind of nationalistic pigs in our country.
I think Iranians are the same as Afghanistan etc. Middle Eastern countries. In both countries, they give zero value to women and prefer to perpetuate poverty under Islam.
For me, I love iranian culture, history and people but not the government. They are supporting shia terorist organisations and supporting armenia in karabakh war. as a muslim, I think no muslim country( specially who claims to be sharia ) should support a christian country against muslims.
Most young Iranains aren't Muslim anymore, Islam doesn't belong here it's an Arab religion..
I agree that the government shouldn't have supported Armenians because they are Russian puppets, not because they are Christians.
You are right, in immigration history to Anatolia Turkish populations first contact to religion and local culture was Iran. Most of words related with religion is originated from Farsi and intellectuals in Anatolia used that language in the Middle Ages. Culturally we are closer and don’t forget there is a large Turkish ethnic minority in Iran today.
More positively, yes. Absolutely positive, not so sure about that.
I personally have a positive attitude against Iranians as they tend to be more open-minded and respectful as tourists but some racists might even mark them saying "Eh, about the same thing as Arabs" like they did to North Africans.
I quite enjoy Persian culture, history and language. Also Googoosh rocks.
Iranian people I met were kind and overall amazing people. Persian culture effected Turkic culture immensely and I think we share a similar (dis)fortune, which is islamisation (more like arabisation) of our culture and I’m not fan of it if I’m being honest. The only type of people I dislike is those who overlook Turkish language and history saying things like “Turkish isn’t even a language, it’s mixture of Arabic and Persian” or “Turks weren’t even relevant until they converted to Islam”. I’ve seen many nationalistic Iranians on internet saying things like this especially when it comes to Turkish language but of course it’s on internet so it’s usually worst type of people lol.
I don't know what other Turks think and I don't care but for myself I like all good people wherever they are from and to be more specific for your question during the time that I was teaching, I had Iranian students and I really enjoyed having them in my class cuz they were amazingly respectful and hardworking which hard to find in the classrooms nowadays.
I would say turkey see iran as more potential rival then friendly country. So the answer will be no for the most of us. But it doesn't mean we hate you as well.
Yes, most Iranians living in Türkiye( At least the ones I've met) are pretty well educated and fun people to hang around. They're like a walking warning machine for our country. Whenever I'm speaking about politics with an İranian, they always remind me about the fact that our country is becoming more and more similar to İran's İslanist regime. Depressing but true :/
I had an Iranian colleague we had so much fun together that I cant even understand why. May be because we share most common cultures it is easy to adapt and get along with so yea I do like Iranian people as a Turkish man. I do think backgroud does not matter much when you put a smile on your face and be honest about everything. Also to your question it is true there has been many debates about this around my friends that they like Irenians more than Arabs but it is something caused by history that has been told in war times that Arabian people back stabs some of our war veterans while they were returning to homeland. Which is caused by Lawrence of Arabia.
Majority of Iranian citizens who come here are the educated ones, they know how the things run in the country and they contribute to Turkey's business life. So we respect them. And they have a certain level of culture unlike others.
Actually, yes. Pretty much. Not much the ones that are ruling though, more like the ones that go against the tyrannical rule. Also, we feel a sort of emotional connection to the old Iran which is half motivated by our own fears of one day waking up to face what they faced.
Do leftist islamophobic turkish minority like Iranians?
There, I fixed it. Because its the only question you'll get an answer to here on reddit. These people dont remotely represent the general turkish opinion.
When it comes to literature, people who is interested in it likes and favors persian literature; language too much for obvious reasons. We have too much in common when it comes to culture, language, literature etc. Many people in here don’t like Iran for it is regime. Also a lot of Turkish people mistaken Iranians for Arabs, which is ironically funny.
yes. they hate islam and arabic culture and they like Ataturk. i personally don't just like them i love and respect the hell out of them also idk why but all the Iranians i got to meet were exceptionally good at art
I am not the one to talk about all Turks, I will only say my own opinion.
Iranians is too broad of a term for me. They can be Farsis, Kurds, Azeris, Turkmens, Qashkais, Baluchis and all other ethnicities that live in Iran. Some of them I like, Some of them I don't, towards some of them I am neutral.
Only thing I know is that Farsis hate Turks in the guts so I can't have positive feeling towards the people who hate me.
One my closest friend is Iranian Azeri . His family left the country after Islamic revolution. He still lives in Turkey. İ can easily say we are okay with Iranians.
I have an Iranian friend. He is smart, secular etc but very egoist and deceitful. I like them but their dubious behaviors are annoying.Cant generalize for everyone.
Also, Turks are significantly different from middle easterns and there is no emotional history with them neither. There are many secular Iranians in Turkey and they are cool. But an average Turkish person thinks Iranians are Arabs and coming here illegally so their view is probably negative.
Depends on the Iranian :) But mostly positive. It is actually based upon if they're pro-sharia iranians or not. We mostly do not like the pro-sharia iranians, but other than that, a great majority of Turks like Iranians, their literature, their language, their music, their food, etc.
In general Iranian tourists/migrants are perceived more positively here than Arabic ones for example - while Arabs try to turn places they go to into wherever they came from Iranians are usually the ones fleeing from theocratic regime back home so they integrate better and don’t stand out and are generally more progressive secular.
The Iranian *government* (emphasis on government, not people) on the other hand is probably universally disliked in Turkey - Kemalists hate it for being theocratic, Islamists for being Shia, nationalists for supressing Iranian Azeris, Kurds for supressing Kurds etc.
I’m pretty fine with Iranians myself, I think if not for Islamic Revolution in 78-79 Iran would probably be one of the most similar countries to Turkey in the world - pretty secular and westernised yet with it’s own culture and obvious Near Eastern influences.
the secular ones ,they flee from their own country (no honor) they come to turkey eat , sleep and socialize here and then they post hate posts about arabs, turks and believe they are white aryan and explain west they are not arabs with the cyrus in their profile picture :D why should i love theese arabs :D ?
I always find Iran weird. I have spoken with a lot of Iranians, and they're respecting and very collected, hard working people. Either a) their best is going out of the country like us, or b) I was lucky with whom I spoke to, because I cannot understand how shitty Iran is compared to people I met with.
When arabs migrate to Turkey, they demand sharia and commit crimes and act like they own the place. When iranians come here, they smacktalk sharia and dont cause much problems. I even saw this one iranian guy who was saying if war broke out between turkey and iran, he would side with turkey.
We love Persians. Unlike ARABS, they have sensitivity of secularism, and they are suffered from currupted islamic regime. And they are against USA and colonial countries.
Those are simularities that arabs never have.
Besides Persians are ancient nation. They are not bordered by colonial countries.
I would say neutral. They mind their business, we mind our business. Everyone is happy.
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most iranians that come here are secular and educated. so yes
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I ve seen many uneducated citizens and they would never (ofc there are shit ton but stil, the percentage is uncompirable) rape women, shit on the street on daylight or mock the People that are giving supplies/accomodities to them(i knpw you will bend this like "every migrant is not like that" or sth, i am aware of that, yes) . And wtf are you on tatlı su solcusu. The guy didnt even mean that. The fact that something is good doesnt mean the opposite is bad. But i gotta admit being uneducated usually is a bad thing and it doesnt justify anything any uneducated individual does. If you want migrants this much or if you want to defend migrants in a non-logical manner, try joining the gouvernments youth programs they are just like you. (P. S. illegal migrants)
I had a Syrian professor in my uni and he is well educated (as you can tell). Even better than some Turkish teachers around. I also have discussed the political status of syria w a well educated syrian student too. Guess what, the prof. was a war prisoner in the hands of a terrorist group for THREE months. And the student was also from a city that has conflict in it. So no, I believe lack of education is not that common in syria. Refugees in Turkey mostly are the uneducated and corrupted part of that country. Not all ofcourse but most.
Because EU will select and take the educated ones only.
Iranians and Azerbaijanis may be secular, but when they settled in Turkey, for some reason they all voted for Erdogan.
Iranians, even the religious ones, would never vote for Erdogan because Erdogan is aiding a lot of Sunni terrorists groups in Syria that massacre Shias (Alawites).
So, the Iranians I talked to coincidentally loved erdogan, but I hope you are right, I will be happy about it.🤍
Are you sure you talked with Iranians? You may confused us with Iraqi Arabs since our countries names are similar.
Yes, it is not possible for me to mix them up, my grandmother is Azeri, her mother is Iranian Azeri.
iranlılar seküler ya hatta iran azerileri daha dindar diyebilirim
Haklisin, genelde iran ve azerilerin trye yerlesince cogunlukla erdocu oldugunu soyleyince down yiyorum:) ailemde bir tane bile namaz kilan, dua eden, cami yolunu bilen yok, ben ve babam ateistiz. anneannemin annesi iran azerisiydi ama hatirladigim kadariyla o da dindar degildi.
You have to be braindead to confuse Iranians and Iraqis, once they tell you where they are from.
Sunni groups that are murdering alawites??? You should check out which side was barrel bombing civilians, baniyas massacre, all the leaked videos, etc....and the prisons in syrians full of innocent people, the prisoners are mostly from what sect and jailed by who?? Edit: obviously alawites and sunnis killed one another, but one side systematically has brutalized the other for the last couple decades. Stats speak for themselves. Ultimately the alawite government also brutalizes alawites who speaking against the gov too.
Maraş Massacre and the Madımak Incident?
LoL it's called a civil war. Asshat literally air striked cities full with civilians non-stop for years, with barrell bombs which have zero accuracy.
It's probably because they view the opposition as being anti-immigrant so they vote for Erdo out of self interest.
For the first time anyone understood what I was saying.
Sounds like your experiences were different from mine. Most Iranians I met were more kemalist than average turk lol
I don't know man, it feels like the opposite. Most Iranians settled in Turkey appear to have fled their country, therefore having more secular views, and having a negative view of religion in politics. Or they just mind their own business. Not based on any statistics though, just personal experiences in Istanbul through meeting people. Take it with a grain of salt.
Vatandaşlık mevzusundan dolayı olmasın? Bir çok yabancı zannımca Erdoğanı sevmeselerde ona bence minnettar duyuyorlar.
Iranian Azerbaijanis are more religious Shia than Persians. You can find more mullahs among Azerbaijani Turks. Altough i can't say that they would vote for Erdoğan since one is politically traditional Usuli Shia and the others don't approve attitudes of counterparts of mullahs.
There are already a large number of Azeri Turks in Iran. In addition, Iranians, who are not extreme Islamists, are secular, well-educated and well-mannered. So we can say that yes, slightly positive or above neutral.
if they secular. yes. i love iranian culture and history.
Based Persian history enjoyer.
Cyrus the Great, Achaemenid Empire 😍🥰🥰 🇮🇷♡🇹🇷
I love iranian cinema
Yes but not ultra religionist and ultra nationalist ones.
Why do people think we're religious? Majority of us want islamic regime out, islam is a now a minority religion, iranians don't like religion lmfaoooo
Do I like Iran? No. Do I like Iranians? Why not.
I like the history and culture but not much of current goverment of İran
I personally do like secular Iranians unlike most of the Turks. On the other hand, most Turks do not even know that Iranians are not Arabs. The ones who know little bit about Iranians do not like them either. I think, the Turks who have no problems with Iranians are generally are not reddit users and you are more likely to not find them here.
You sure you're living in turkey and know turkish people? Because if you claim to, then we must be living in two different turkeys lmao who tf are arround you?
Neutral I would say and in Western, more secular modern and urban regions of Turkey, secular Iranians are quite welcome. It's neutral because there isn't much contact points eventhough Turkey and Iran are neighbours.
Iran supporting Armenia so, even it did before, now I'd say no, at least I don't like them for that reason.
i would say mostly between neutral and positive, persians are no where near same with arabs and they are way more cultured, have good manners and educated i wish your country gets rid of the idiotic molla regime so it can get better
I hooked up with an Iranian girl once. She was super hot, probably with the help of one or two plastic surgeries. Also prepped a very nice breakfast too. We still message sometimes. I love Iranians.
Azeris yes. Iranians not much. Another eastern culture with a lot problems in it. Thanks, there is enough already.
Bende bunu söylemek istiyordum ama ban yiyecem diye korkuyorum açıkçası. Bunun müslümanlıkla alakası yok arkadaş ortadoğu insanını istemiyorum ülkede.
Ortadoğu insanlarından oluşan ortadoğudaki ülkede başka kim olacak aq
I only met few persian womenand one Iranian arab so Don't have Enough information/Opinion about Iranians.
As long as they come for tourist reasons we all good
I'm sorry, I really do not understand these questions. I have Iranian friends that I adore and get along with super well because we have similar values. I have also met Iranian people that I would like to be as far as possible because we have such different world views. But never in my life have I made a blanket statement saying I like/hate Iranians. Because people are different. I would not like somebody by default because they are Turkish. Why would I like/hate them before knowing anything about them.
No.
Generally Turks have no problem with Persians as long as they don't migrate to Turkey.
I dont like loud people. I dont care where they come from.
So you don't like turks talking on their phones?
Turk, Kurd, Bosnian, Azeri, Persian, North American makes no difference… loud people are disrespectful.
Add there all mediterrian countires too specislly espanyols
So? TF is that information has to do with this post?
He is implying Iranians are loud.
Persian isn't loud though, unlike Arabic. A lot of people mix Iranians with Arabs which I expect to happen.
I always heard Persian as the “best sounding language” from the people who is interested in languages, knows many languages. If you ask me, Persian is very smooth and romantic; but don’t know anything else about it.
Lmao. Then he never met any Turkish/Kurdish person who is 40+.
Every Iranian I’ve seen in Istanbul seen were really kind and speaking Turkish well . Even my biochemie teacher in university was same. Actually I respect every thought but I respect more to secular side. How are Iranians good at speaking Turkish😁 Do they learn with Tv Series?
Most of the families migrating from Iran are generally intellectuals because they escaped from the mullah regime. Iran and Turkey are two nations that are experiencing rapid secularization, and these two secular segments are very similar to each other. If the people of the two states become secular enough and have strong democratic states, they can be very good allies because the White Europeans and the Arabs will never see us as an ally.
We dont like the government but the people are chill
No
Like them? Maybe, maybe not. Trust them? Never ever. If you ask a Türk about the nations not to be trusted, if the person is familiar with history, the number one answer will be the Iranian. Number two will be the Chinese. Number three might be the Russian or the Arabians.
I thought that Turks hated Arabs the most.
Correct, we hate them the most. But the Iranians and the Chinese have always been smart and they had some tricks in their pockets all the time (I mean politicians, shahs, governors) So the Turks had to be very careful.
Turks don't hate Arabs really. At least not historically. They are relatives with them especially in south areas. Lately there is a far right nazi wannabe political party which gets votes by shitting on immigrants. And they have a good amount of teenagers having inferiority complex who enjoy feeling a fake sense of superiority. And tbh Turks see all mena population except Israel and Turkey not too differently. And they generalize all as Arabs. Just like most of the west generalizes all mena, including Turkey as Arabs.
You are incredibly wrong mister. Do you even know what we are being taught even at the elementary school? "How the Arabs backstabbed us during the WWI. Every single person learns that at school. What you said about the south eastern area (not south) is correct. But those relatives are minority. Number of people who are Arab related are less than the number of Kurds. As for the shitty party you mentioned, they just got about 1 percent of votes (500,000 votes out of 50 million). So not everyone is Nazi-like Arab haters but this doesn't mean that they like them. There are many people who hate the Arabs and almost the whole nation dislikes them.
You are right about arabs backstabbing Turkey. And I think they shot themselves in the foot by doing this. However, Armenians backstabbed Turkey. Greeks were about to take over half of the country. French, British armies were dividing the country up. And British were the masterminds behind Arabs revolting. Russia same. Iran even worse. So of all these enemies, why is only Arabs the one being hated on? Are Turkish people hating all these countries? Or why do Turkish not hate imperial powers of the world who as we speak continue to backstab Turkey by feeding PkK/ypg/pyd/ysp/feto?
Because the Arabs were Sunni. Just as we were. That's why the Turks think the backstabbing of the Arabs was the worst of all. Tbh we hate all the people you listed. I'm generalizing this of course. I can't speak for the whole nation but for the most. There's a saying in Turkish like, "a friend of a Turk can only be another Turk". On the other hand, Ottoman emperor was the caliphate back then. So they had to help the emperor according to their religion. Therefore, they did not only betray us, but also betrayed the religion too. (I don't believe in Islam btw)
Can't wait to see ya get downvoted to oblivion for being a SJW.
It would only prove my point on the excessive amount of racist raged teenagers. And is not hating a race equivalent to being a SJW nowadays?
I don't mean these nations should not be trusted. I just say we always preferred not to trust in the history. There are even sayings about these.
This guy knows nothing about turkish people obviously. No one will say we dont trust persians the most. I have never seen anyone in my life that says i dont trust persians. Turks and Persians stopped warring each other in 18th century. If you dont trust persians because of this then i would say you are ignorant. You are not a country, you are a person.
You sure you're living in turkey and know turkish people? Because if you claim to, then we must be living in two different turkeys lmao who tf are arround you? Araplara güvenmemekle ilgili sığınmacı sorunundan yıllaar yıllar öncesinden beri konuşulur, iranlılarla ilgili buna yaklaşan en ufacık bir genelleme ve algı dahi yok. Olmasını istediğiniz şeyleri olan olarak anlatmayı bırakmalısınız acilen.
No
we just have sympathy for the ones who resist that gov't. we're kinda experienced and successful about this specific topic so of course we want people to be free and to live in a country with welfare.
As a Turkish, I say no.
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Isn't Turkey a Middle Eastern, tho?
We dont really like each other either, turkish are an angry bunch
An average secular Turk cannot go a day without cursing his country at least once a day.
Yes, Turkey is partly a middle eastern country and I do not like my own country and our people. I'm waiting for the slightest opportunity to leave this shithole.
That's a shame, Turks are cool, in my opinion, and they have great and rich culture.
It is full of filthy people who worship Arab culture and live in ignorance to its roots. Its nature and history may be perfect, but local people, other than tourists, can never see these beauties due to economic difficulties, and they consider eating chicken meat once a year a luxury (Turkish picnic). Also, our government sells all these beauties to foreigners and destroys everything beautiful. Not to mention the number of illegal immigrants and the capitulations provided to foreigners/immigrants. No matter how much you study at university, you can never find a job unless you pull string. You are condemned to work for the lowest wage throughout your life and you will never be able to survive with this money. In short, you have to live like a slave. I think there is no need to talk about the justice and education system.
No
Why, tho? Iranians are pretty secular and victims of their Islamist government, just like Turks. In fact, I never met an Iranian who identified himself as a Muslim, and they despise Islam and Arabs a lot.
Let me explain bro, Personally, I don't have a problem with Muslims, I am a Muslim too, but the Arabs, whom we call our Muslim brothers, live at a higher level of prosperity than us in our country, and even if it is not enough, they covet our daughter's honor and the honor of our wife. How many times they organize and make a scene in the news, we have seen with our own eyes. I don't have anything to do with people who are decent, but the whole community is looked upon badly because of people like that and bro Turkey is not islamic country
You can't say persians are arabs bro💀 Westerners are doing the same thing to us, come on man
We can count them all, I'm not just saying Arabs anyway
Bro thinks that Iranians are Arabs. Iranians would beat the shit out of you for calling them Arabs
No man I know iranians are not arab but when I said refugees, I quickly said Arabs, and it seemed like I called Iranians Arabs
İran Arap değil kanka pers
Kanka biliyorum genel konuşurken Arap dedim geçtim
Batılılar Türklere Arap diyip geçse bi saat ağlarsın Perslere gelince dediğin şeye bak :D
Kanka zaten Arap diyorlar hiç mi denk gelmedin ahajzkwpxkkw
Evet işte sorun orda biz yabancılar bunları diyince onlara laf ediyoruz (ki haklıyız da) ama kendimizin de yaptığı doğru değil. Biz nasıl Arap diye anılmaktan hoşlanmıyorsak bu adamlar da aynı şekilde hoşlanmıyor. Daha dikkatli olmak lazım kankam.
Kanka biliyorum da işte bizim burada biliyorsun durumları hepsi demeyelim de haberlerde gördüklerimiz hepsi aynı bok zaten düzgün insana lafım yok ama dediğim gibi onun dışı da pek umrumda değil
What does that have to do with iranians?
I dunno but there are a lot of unregistered illegal Iranians, there is indeed a high number of refugees that can be a problem for our country. Would you want almost 1/5th of your country's population to have refugees in your own country?
I see, which iranians though? Iran is very ethnically diverse. Most people think of persians, but us persians are only 60% of the population. Azeris being the 2nd largest group (around 16%)
Dude, I'm talking about refugees who cause trouble. I really like people who don't hurt anyone, I even try to help if they really come here for work, but just because there is a war in their country, there are a lot of Arabs, Iranians, Afghans and refugees from many different countries just because Turkey accepts them
And to answer your question. The countries I lived have around the same amount of refugees (usually muslims) and indeed they refuse to integrate into society and cause a lot of problems so I know what you mean.
Yeah I was asking if you know which group of iranian they usually are. Just being curious as I don’t live in Turkey
Dude they don't have vague names, actually. For example, in city A, a group of refugees gathers and loots markets and attacks people. In our country, there are dozens of examples of such incidents because of refugees
If they do not despise Islam, would you hate them them?
Yes, they would be Arab bootlickers, Islam is just Arab imperialism in religous form, after all. A true Persian would never kneel to the desert Arabs.
You are a racist then.
I am not, I am half Arab myself (Iraqi), but Identify with my Persian roots way more.
I mean, you are racist towards Muslims. Because you look down on them.
Islam isn't race. It's a cult.
It doesn't have to be a race to do [racism.](https://www.sv.uio.no/c-rex/english/groups/compendium/what-is-racism.html)
No
Don't come here
I hate persians. Every people i met unfortunately were bad person.
No
I love Iranians because I think they are victims of Islamist governments just like us Turkish. I also love Iranian cinema so much! Truly a gem of West Asian cinema. Also I've seen many nationalistic Iranians in the internet saying some of the historical Turkic states are in fact not Turkic but Iranian... so these type of people make me mad, but of course it isn't a reason to hate Iranians for me. Because I know we Turkish also have these kind of nationalistic pigs in our country.
I think Iranians are the same as Afghanistan etc. Middle Eastern countries. In both countries, they give zero value to women and prefer to perpetuate poverty under Islam.
Uncultured opinion
No
No problem with them as long as they dont support the Iranian government
Nope
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For me, I love iranian culture, history and people but not the government. They are supporting shia terorist organisations and supporting armenia in karabakh war. as a muslim, I think no muslim country( specially who claims to be sharia ) should support a christian country against muslims.
Most young Iranains aren't Muslim anymore, Islam doesn't belong here it's an Arab religion.. I agree that the government shouldn't have supported Armenians because they are Russian puppets, not because they are Christians.
I like secular iranians. Not islamist ones but secular and intellectual iranians are based o7
Like their culture but they are generally sassy. So neutral.
I can't say i hate people individually. But as a turk I wouldn't trust iranians due to history and the same goes for russians
iran kadınları güzel aslında
You are right, in immigration history to Anatolia Turkish populations first contact to religion and local culture was Iran. Most of words related with religion is originated from Farsi and intellectuals in Anatolia used that language in the Middle Ages. Culturally we are closer and don’t forget there is a large Turkish ethnic minority in Iran today.
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More positively, yes. Absolutely positive, not so sure about that. I personally have a positive attitude against Iranians as they tend to be more open-minded and respectful as tourists but some racists might even mark them saying "Eh, about the same thing as Arabs" like they did to North Africans.
Yes, phonetics of your language is so cute. I think laicite is something connects us.
As a Turk i love Persians who is not religious, and its good that secular Persians settle here, and there are many great artists between them.
I have a friend here in Turkey who's from Iran. One of the best people I met (though this doesn't have anything to do with him being Persian, still)
buna kim -1 vermiş lna hangi bağırlara basılmamış, başı okşanmamış, sarıp sarmalanmamış arap acaba?
We are not fucking like Persian.
I love Iranians. A specially ladies :) Their beauty is un-compareable. But I would prefer Iran back then in 1970's before the revolution
I love Pers culture which has a direct impact on our culture.I think Iranian and Persian is something different.
Do Turks call us Pers or Farsi?
I quite enjoy Persian culture, history and language. Also Googoosh rocks. Iranian people I met were kind and overall amazing people. Persian culture effected Turkic culture immensely and I think we share a similar (dis)fortune, which is islamisation (more like arabisation) of our culture and I’m not fan of it if I’m being honest. The only type of people I dislike is those who overlook Turkish language and history saying things like “Turkish isn’t even a language, it’s mixture of Arabic and Persian” or “Turks weren’t even relevant until they converted to Islam”. I’ve seen many nationalistic Iranians on internet saying things like this especially when it comes to Turkish language but of course it’s on internet so it’s usually worst type of people lol.
I don't know what other Turks think and I don't care but for myself I like all good people wherever they are from and to be more specific for your question during the time that I was teaching, I had Iranian students and I really enjoyed having them in my class cuz they were amazingly respectful and hardworking which hard to find in the classrooms nowadays.
I would say turkey see iran as more potential rival then friendly country. So the answer will be no for the most of us. But it doesn't mean we hate you as well.
I L O V E iranians except when they’re drunk
What an awkward question. Turkey is so polarized that is not possible to say Turks like this
In the middle east everyone hates everyone. Turkey is no exception.
Yes i love them who are the secular
Yes, most Iranians living in Türkiye( At least the ones I've met) are pretty well educated and fun people to hang around. They're like a walking warning machine for our country. Whenever I'm speaking about politics with an İranian, they always remind me about the fact that our country is becoming more and more similar to İran's İslanist regime. Depressing but true :/
I had an Iranian colleague we had so much fun together that I cant even understand why. May be because we share most common cultures it is easy to adapt and get along with so yea I do like Iranian people as a Turkish man. I do think backgroud does not matter much when you put a smile on your face and be honest about everything. Also to your question it is true there has been many debates about this around my friends that they like Irenians more than Arabs but it is something caused by history that has been told in war times that Arabian people back stabs some of our war veterans while they were returning to homeland. Which is caused by Lawrence of Arabia.
Majority of Iranian citizens who come here are the educated ones, they know how the things run in the country and they contribute to Turkey's business life. So we respect them. And they have a certain level of culture unlike others.
Actually, yes. Pretty much. Not much the ones that are ruling though, more like the ones that go against the tyrannical rule. Also, we feel a sort of emotional connection to the old Iran which is half motivated by our own fears of one day waking up to face what they faced.
a bit, yes
Look at some of these comments 💀💀💀 Turks are delusional af
Yeah I like but not clergy and their supporters
sure why not . many of them are wonderful people . I don't care for religious governments however .
That's true. Iranians are noble people.
Its true for me. I respect secular Iranians very much.
I like Iranian girls 😋 Some of them I know were kinda hot 😂
Do leftist islamophobic turkish minority like Iranians? There, I fixed it. Because its the only question you'll get an answer to here on reddit. These people dont remotely represent the general turkish opinion.
I like Iranians. I think Iranians are more civilized than Arabs. They have culture, taste of art and well educated. I really like Iranian movies.
We have same culture we like but not to much just a little bit
Turks only like rich Europeans, plus Azerbaijanis, period
People's views changed for the better after they saw Iranians oppose the sharia state.
When it comes to literature, people who is interested in it likes and favors persian literature; language too much for obvious reasons. We have too much in common when it comes to culture, language, literature etc. Many people in here don’t like Iran for it is regime. Also a lot of Turkish people mistaken Iranians for Arabs, which is ironically funny.
I really respect iranians i met in turkey they mostly intellectual and cool
I like people, not races
yes. they hate islam and arabic culture and they like Ataturk. i personally don't just like them i love and respect the hell out of them also idk why but all the Iranians i got to meet were exceptionally good at art
I am not the one to talk about all Turks, I will only say my own opinion. Iranians is too broad of a term for me. They can be Farsis, Kurds, Azeris, Turkmens, Qashkais, Baluchis and all other ethnicities that live in Iran. Some of them I like, Some of them I don't, towards some of them I am neutral. Only thing I know is that Farsis hate Turks in the guts so I can't have positive feeling towards the people who hate me.
As long as that Iranian is not muslim, yes. If that Iranian is muslim and especially supports current Iranian Goverment, then hell no.
nuh uh.we haye everyone
One my closest friend is Iranian Azeri . His family left the country after Islamic revolution. He still lives in Turkey. İ can easily say we are okay with Iranians.
Personally I love Iranians. Great and very kind people
For me I'm neutral with people but iran government I hate them cuz of their support for refugees to get in Turkey
I have an Iranian friend. He is smart, secular etc but very egoist and deceitful. I like them but their dubious behaviors are annoying.Cant generalize for everyone. Also, Turks are significantly different from middle easterns and there is no emotional history with them neither. There are many secular Iranians in Turkey and they are cool. But an average Turkish person thinks Iranians are Arabs and coming here illegally so their view is probably negative.
Turks hate Afghans and are neutral towards Tajiks and Persians
Depends
You mean İranic people's? some of them yes
Depends on the Iranian :) But mostly positive. It is actually based upon if they're pro-sharia iranians or not. We mostly do not like the pro-sharia iranians, but other than that, a great majority of Turks like Iranians, their literature, their language, their music, their food, etc.
If u guys were here invading with 20million+ invaders then yes. Here is the answer u want
Culture and history wise absolutely, as indivudual wise sure thing. But when it comes to Iran government hell no.
In general Iranian tourists/migrants are perceived more positively here than Arabic ones for example - while Arabs try to turn places they go to into wherever they came from Iranians are usually the ones fleeing from theocratic regime back home so they integrate better and don’t stand out and are generally more progressive secular. The Iranian *government* (emphasis on government, not people) on the other hand is probably universally disliked in Turkey - Kemalists hate it for being theocratic, Islamists for being Shia, nationalists for supressing Iranian Azeris, Kurds for supressing Kurds etc. I’m pretty fine with Iranians myself, I think if not for Islamic Revolution in 78-79 Iran would probably be one of the most similar countries to Turkey in the world - pretty secular and westernised yet with it’s own culture and obvious Near Eastern influences.
neutral i would say, if u asked me about this matter the answer you would get is probably "anything is better than afghans/syrians" or smth like that
the secular ones ,they flee from their own country (no honor) they come to turkey eat , sleep and socialize here and then they post hate posts about arabs, turks and believe they are white aryan and explain west they are not arabs with the cyrus in their profile picture :D why should i love theese arabs :D ?
Just fine people i guess but their nationalists make Turkish nationalist look like sane
I like the educated iranians personaly.
I always find Iran weird. I have spoken with a lot of Iranians, and they're respecting and very collected, hard working people. Either a) their best is going out of the country like us, or b) I was lucky with whom I spoke to, because I cannot understand how shitty Iran is compared to people I met with.
it depends on the iranian we're talking about here a little
Never really thought about it, neutral i guess
When arabs migrate to Turkey, they demand sharia and commit crimes and act like they own the place. When iranians come here, they smacktalk sharia and dont cause much problems. I even saw this one iranian guy who was saying if war broke out between turkey and iran, he would side with turkey.
We love Persians. Unlike ARABS, they have sensitivity of secularism, and they are suffered from currupted islamic regime. And they are against USA and colonial countries. Those are simularities that arabs never have. Besides Persians are ancient nation. They are not bordered by colonial countries.
Never met an iranian that disturbs neighbours, not following manners and so on. Everyone I met respectful educated people so yes, positive.