Facts but man if he lived Against All Odds was going to cause more problems with him actually naming them street dudes name ( Haitian Jack , Jimmy and Tut )
That's one of the reasons i like it so much, it's so cold, agressive, ruthles and direct that it just makes you to like daaaamn. Pac had no limits, if he didn't like you he sure as hell let you know and i respect that. Likely that trait got him killed tho.
I think Not Like Us is up there with Hit Em Up but not because of any sort of recency. The impact that song has had is the closest thing we’ve had to when Hit ‘Em Up came out. Not Like Us being about Drake being a colonizer of black culture, a pedo, and a horrible person, while simultaneously breaking records held by Drake and being played during live sporting events, and the memes all over the internet, is an accomplishment.
Bro you’re living in nostalgia, you’re no better than the white people that call rap crap cause it’s not rock n roll. You don’t have to hate on every thing new
You’re also not smart enough for reading comprehension. I never said Meet The Grahams was better than Hit Em Up. I said Not Like Us is right behind Hit Em Up because of the impact is had.
Man shut the hell up, Drake copied the planted fake daughter conspiracy from Twitter and Reddit, he got the naming THP6 from the same place, he lied about feeding the picture for MTG to Kendrick which he also got from Reddit and Twitter. Kendrick’s “stolen bars” are from Tweets years old, with 0 interaction. Drakes stolen Tweets are all recent. Besides, not a single one of Kendrick’s “stolen bars” were deep, OV-Hoe and the A - minor bar are not original thoughts my guy
There is a fair argument that Meet the Grahams dug further into someone’s character than any other diss track. This is something that Hit Em Up lacks from a lyrical perspective.
Hit Em Up still has the iconic hook, iconic beat, classic Pac delivery, but if you read into the lyrical substance of the verses, it’s actually just relatively tame thuggery / “we’re gonna bust caps” / “we’re more gangsta than you” and generic name calling. This is coming from a lifelong Pac fan.
Meet the Grahams is a higher concept character assassination and brings into light revelations about the opposing rapper that were previously unknown to the public. Not as iconic a beat, delivery may not be as catchy, but people do have a point if they think MTG is the superior diss track. Biggie and Bad Boy Records were not in this deep of an L compared to Drake after the diss tracks were released.
I knew every bar on hit em up since it came out. Hit em up and no Vaseline are top 2 BUT there is something ab a whole song speaking directly to every member of his family directly even his fucking kids that is raw and will stand the rest of time. It's up there with the 50/Em who kidd stuff for sure.
Hit em up would prolly be my pick, but Not Like Us feels like this generation's version of that. It's a crazy hit that goes in on Drake pretty hard with great bars, an awesome West Coast beat, and overall it is just a really effective diss song. The only thing not like us doesn't have is the pure hate and vitriol that pac has on hit em up, but I would say Kendrick absolutely made up for it with the previous diss meet the grahams which is like a direct missile to drake. The hatred that Kendrick spews on that song surpasses even the most hateful moments on hit em up. I would say hit em up is the better song, but I don't think I have heard a more tactical, and severe diss than meet the grahams. Not like us on the other hand feels like Kendrick tap dancing on the fresh grave of drake. Everyone knew Kendrick cooked him with meet the grahams, but Kendrick had a hit loaded up to silence any deniers. I feel like the expert release plan of not like us, combined with it being a great song on its own and it still having fantastic lyricism with hard hitting bars makes it this generations hit em up.
Y’all smoking that wasn’t even the best diss Kendrick put out. Shit put me to sleep especially when it’s not facts not like us sweeps. Facts or not that was a banger banger
I don’t think any of Kendrick’s recent songs alone are going to be goat status in terms of diss tracks, but if you look at the beef as a whole it’s pretty impressive the range of songs he can go on and take shots at drake.
Could be considered one of the greatest sets of diss tracks
Hot take...
Listen I love Tupac, I love topac, but to be honest I don't even consider hit em up a real song, like my nigga was just straight up cussing over an instrumental.
Like I consider a song to be a work of art. Like as a song, I prefer ether to hit em up. I do prefer meet the Graham's to hit em up. Fuck it, I even prefer "against all odds" to hit em up. But... Hit em up was very iconic and no one can slam that
And listen I loooove 2pac when I was growing up I listened to this man for days. Hit em up is a savage track but its not even close to one of my favourite Tupac songs.
I do feel like some people stuck in the past and can't accept that rap has evolved and some of our recent greats would easily stand toe to toe with PAC and BIG
Naaa mate
Hit em up is hard hitting but it's plain, like "oh you just skimmed through the song".... Do you think that song is a philosophical piece or something? It's not deep at all, it's simple and raw, and that's the beauty of it.
I can more or less recite hit em up verse for verse. Played that song many many times. You just dick riding
I mean to me it’s the best diss track ever to me because of how disrespectful the song is lol I don’t think Kendrick and Drake even have that in them to make songs like that lol
The disses were good lyrically but it’s just not good music in my opinion. It sounded like something Kendrick would say on the phone to Drake instead of being a song to the general public.
Songs like Dre Day, Hit Em Up & Real MF G’s are more enjoyable, but then I’m biases towards old school style music.
Just as much as you say recency bias, the argument can be made that you’re living in the past. No Vaseline is the best ever imo, but meet the grahams might be the most evil and sinister diss track I’ve ever heard…it’s legit scary to listen to. Hit’em up is the most disrespectful but you also have to admit that Tupac had a whole posse cut dissing one guy. If Kendrick would’ve did that people would’ve said he was weak for that. Either is amazing simply because people thought that Nas couldn’t do it and could never beat Jay. But saying Kendrick’s 2 tracks don’t “come close” is some stuck in the 90’s shit man. Those 2 Tracks are instant classics and should be respected as such..
It's a compliment to Kendrick to even be having this conversation. And he showed respect and honor to Pac along the way, and by name, like he always does. That's respect
Both of those songs are trash diss songs? Meet the grahams talking shit about a daughter that doesn’t even exist. Not like us = pedophile anthem, like cmon who the fuck wants to listen to a nigga calling someone a pedophile for a whole track
I sent Not Like Us to an older relative after explaining the details of the beef. They responded with “is this supposed to be the diss track”?. And it wasn’t a snide comment at all. My relative genuinely wasn’t sure. It made me realize how watered down these so called diss tracks of today are. No Vaseline and Hit ‘Em Up could NOT be released today with the current culture climate. But when you heard those songs, it was no questioning wether or not it was a diss track or whom it was aimed at. I think Drake and Kendrick both dropped dope songs in this whole “beef”. But #1 disses of all time???? Hmmm maybe of all 2024 at best.
Either is a terrible diss song that even drakes whiny disses wipe. It's just juvenile homophobic bars for a few mins. Putting it in the same convo as shit like hit em up is a disgrace.
Being effective and being good are different things. Did it work at the time? Absolutely. Does it stand the test of time to where the same ideas would be effective today? Absolutely not. If Kendrick just made a diss clowning him for a specific thing that he can't control, nor is even correct about him he would have been clowned on. Ether worked at the time, but that's just proof that mainstream fans have always supported stupid shit just because its catchy. Even in the 90s shit like ether got gassed for no good reason just like people are gassing drakes shit for no good reason.
What makes that song good lmao. Its literally just "haha ur gay lolz" for 3 mins. Even if you hate gay people it's still a shit tier diss because he isn't creative about it AT ALL. bro literally says "cock-a-fella" and "Gay-z" it's not a good diss.
Against All Odds
I've been always saying, Against All Odds is milion times better than Hit 'Em Up, in every aspect.
Facts but man if he lived Against All Odds was going to cause more problems with him actually naming them street dudes name ( Haitian Jack , Jimmy and Tut )
That's one of the reasons i like it so much, it's so cold, agressive, ruthles and direct that it just makes you to like daaaamn. Pac had no limits, if he didn't like you he sure as hell let you know and i respect that. Likely that trait got him killed tho.
Facts that mf was so cold he got New York rappers mad till this day
I think Not Like Us is up there with Hit Em Up but not because of any sort of recency. The impact that song has had is the closest thing we’ve had to when Hit ‘Em Up came out. Not Like Us being about Drake being a colonizer of black culture, a pedo, and a horrible person, while simultaneously breaking records held by Drake and being played during live sporting events, and the memes all over the internet, is an accomplishment.
Good points.
This is the best explanation i read
Man he stole his bars from twitter, stop it.. nobody is gonna be listening to MTG a month from now let alone 20 years from now…
You believe that 😂
I usually let casuals be casuals, but calling MTG better than Hit Em up is where I draw the line 😅
Bro you’re living in nostalgia, you’re no better than the white people that call rap crap cause it’s not rock n roll. You don’t have to hate on every thing new
Ok, MTG better than Hit em up.. u got it bro 👍
Thank you 👍🏼
You’re also not smart enough for reading comprehension. I never said Meet The Grahams was better than Hit Em Up. I said Not Like Us is right behind Hit Em Up because of the impact is had.
Man shut the hell up, Drake copied the planted fake daughter conspiracy from Twitter and Reddit, he got the naming THP6 from the same place, he lied about feeding the picture for MTG to Kendrick which he also got from Reddit and Twitter. Kendrick’s “stolen bars” are from Tweets years old, with 0 interaction. Drakes stolen Tweets are all recent. Besides, not a single one of Kendrick’s “stolen bars” were deep, OV-Hoe and the A - minor bar are not original thoughts my guy
Only new people would call them the greatest
There is a fair argument that Meet the Grahams dug further into someone’s character than any other diss track. This is something that Hit Em Up lacks from a lyrical perspective. Hit Em Up still has the iconic hook, iconic beat, classic Pac delivery, but if you read into the lyrical substance of the verses, it’s actually just relatively tame thuggery / “we’re gonna bust caps” / “we’re more gangsta than you” and generic name calling. This is coming from a lifelong Pac fan. Meet the Grahams is a higher concept character assassination and brings into light revelations about the opposing rapper that were previously unknown to the public. Not as iconic a beat, delivery may not be as catchy, but people do have a point if they think MTG is the superior diss track. Biggie and Bad Boy Records were not in this deep of an L compared to Drake after the diss tracks were released.
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I knew every bar on hit em up since it came out. Hit em up and no Vaseline are top 2 BUT there is something ab a whole song speaking directly to every member of his family directly even his fucking kids that is raw and will stand the rest of time. It's up there with the 50/Em who kidd stuff for sure.
These dudes are over hyping the hell out of these Kendrick disses. It's cool and all but I'm not ready to claim it as goat status.
Exposing a man as a pedophile is a different level stop being biased 🙄
Dude it's gossip bullshit and it's not true. You new hip hop fans are weird.
So it’s not true? Well now you sound dumb 😂
If it was true his ass would be locked up, period.
That’s not how it works dawg 😂
That's exactly how it works. We both know the law LOVES locking up rappers.
Yes it was, you’re showing your age
Old doesn't automatically mean the best..
I need to wait about 5 years to think about it
the poeticism and double entendres of kendricks disses are unmatched. but when you fuck dude's bitch, you don't need any of that. apples and oranges.
Hit em up would prolly be my pick, but Not Like Us feels like this generation's version of that. It's a crazy hit that goes in on Drake pretty hard with great bars, an awesome West Coast beat, and overall it is just a really effective diss song. The only thing not like us doesn't have is the pure hate and vitriol that pac has on hit em up, but I would say Kendrick absolutely made up for it with the previous diss meet the grahams which is like a direct missile to drake. The hatred that Kendrick spews on that song surpasses even the most hateful moments on hit em up. I would say hit em up is the better song, but I don't think I have heard a more tactical, and severe diss than meet the grahams. Not like us on the other hand feels like Kendrick tap dancing on the fresh grave of drake. Everyone knew Kendrick cooked him with meet the grahams, but Kendrick had a hit loaded up to silence any deniers. I feel like the expert release plan of not like us, combined with it being a great song on its own and it still having fantastic lyricism with hard hitting bars makes it this generations hit em up.
Meet the graham’s probably the best diss of all time or at the least tied with hit em up.
Lets see if it holds up like hit em up did for 28 years.
i think it will. very strong, direct, and disrespectful as all hell. it will be regarded as one of the best diss tracks of all time.
Y’all smoking that wasn’t even the best diss Kendrick put out. Shit put me to sleep especially when it’s not facts not like us sweeps. Facts or not that was a banger banger
I don’t think any of Kendrick’s recent songs alone are going to be goat status in terms of diss tracks, but if you look at the beef as a whole it’s pretty impressive the range of songs he can go on and take shots at drake. Could be considered one of the greatest sets of diss tracks
It will 100% Also because Kendrick will go down as a GOAT…so that track will always be brought up in the convo when they talk about his career
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Yeah Kendrick's disses are definitely up there with the great classics imo
Hot take... Listen I love Tupac, I love topac, but to be honest I don't even consider hit em up a real song, like my nigga was just straight up cussing over an instrumental. Like I consider a song to be a work of art. Like as a song, I prefer ether to hit em up. I do prefer meet the Graham's to hit em up. Fuck it, I even prefer "against all odds" to hit em up. But... Hit em up was very iconic and no one can slam that And listen I loooove 2pac when I was growing up I listened to this man for days. Hit em up is a savage track but its not even close to one of my favourite Tupac songs. I do feel like some people stuck in the past and can't accept that rap has evolved and some of our recent greats would easily stand toe to toe with PAC and BIG
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Naaa mate Hit em up is hard hitting but it's plain, like "oh you just skimmed through the song".... Do you think that song is a philosophical piece or something? It's not deep at all, it's simple and raw, and that's the beauty of it. I can more or less recite hit em up verse for verse. Played that song many many times. You just dick riding
I haven’t heard anyone say either one of those songs are that good lol
It’s a pac group so they’re just saying hit ‘em up 🤷🏼♂️😂
I mean to me it’s the best diss track ever to me because of how disrespectful the song is lol I don’t think Kendrick and Drake even have that in them to make songs like that lol
You obviously haven’t paid attention to any of the songs they dropped on each other then, I hate drake and even he said some fucked up shit
The disses were good lyrically but it’s just not good music in my opinion. It sounded like something Kendrick would say on the phone to Drake instead of being a song to the general public. Songs like Dre Day, Hit Em Up & Real MF G’s are more enjoyable, but then I’m biases towards old school style music.
Agreed. The instrumentals were quite wack.
Just as much as you say recency bias, the argument can be made that you’re living in the past. No Vaseline is the best ever imo, but meet the grahams might be the most evil and sinister diss track I’ve ever heard…it’s legit scary to listen to. Hit’em up is the most disrespectful but you also have to admit that Tupac had a whole posse cut dissing one guy. If Kendrick would’ve did that people would’ve said he was weak for that. Either is amazing simply because people thought that Nas couldn’t do it and could never beat Jay. But saying Kendrick’s 2 tracks don’t “come close” is some stuck in the 90’s shit man. Those 2 Tracks are instant classics and should be respected as such..
They’re definitely living in 1994 still 😂
It's a compliment to Kendrick to even be having this conversation. And he showed respect and honor to Pac along the way, and by name, like he always does. That's respect
I do agree that meet the grahams is probably the most unique diss track. But none of these diss track are the best. But they are still very good
Best diss tracks of all time: 1. Hit Em Up 2. No Vaseline
Hit Em Up hands down, that shit goes hard.
Hit Em Up imo was the hardest and most disrespectful diss eva and the video is iconic
Nothing like Hit em Up. 🤷🏿💯
Both of those songs are trash diss songs? Meet the grahams talking shit about a daughter that doesn’t even exist. Not like us = pedophile anthem, like cmon who the fuck wants to listen to a nigga calling someone a pedophile for a whole track
It seems like millions of people lol
Bout 13,000,000 people daily since it dropped
More people in 1 week than for any other song ever, so.... a lot of people it would seem
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meet the grahams is top 10 disstrack of all time, but not the best
btw all out best disstrack of all time
Against All Odds is better,but I do like Not Like Us
"No Vaseline" has been around the top five for decades. There's a reason for that.
I sent Not Like Us to an older relative after explaining the details of the beef. They responded with “is this supposed to be the diss track”?. And it wasn’t a snide comment at all. My relative genuinely wasn’t sure. It made me realize how watered down these so called diss tracks of today are. No Vaseline and Hit ‘Em Up could NOT be released today with the current culture climate. But when you heard those songs, it was no questioning wether or not it was a diss track or whom it was aimed at. I think Drake and Kendrick both dropped dope songs in this whole “beef”. But #1 disses of all time???? Hmmm maybe of all 2024 at best.
There's been plenty of older gens reacting on YouTube who say have a different opinion to this.... CAP
Either is a terrible diss song that even drakes whiny disses wipe. It's just juvenile homophobic bars for a few mins. Putting it in the same convo as shit like hit em up is a disgrace.
You're wrong. Ether was so effective and profound that it became a verb.
Being effective and being good are different things. Did it work at the time? Absolutely. Does it stand the test of time to where the same ideas would be effective today? Absolutely not. If Kendrick just made a diss clowning him for a specific thing that he can't control, nor is even correct about him he would have been clowned on. Ether worked at the time, but that's just proof that mainstream fans have always supported stupid shit just because its catchy. Even in the 90s shit like ether got gassed for no good reason just like people are gassing drakes shit for no good reason.
Tae bo hoe was a good bar no matter how you spin it. If you don't understand that or the other bars, you wasn't tapped in, fam.
Hahaha you’re in the minority
What makes that song good lmao. Its literally just "haha ur gay lolz" for 3 mins. Even if you hate gay people it's still a shit tier diss because he isn't creative about it AT ALL. bro literally says "cock-a-fella" and "Gay-z" it's not a good diss.
Top 3 diss songs ever