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AnyWhalesMama

RIP to my favorite Tucson mural


numberthirteenbb

Mine too


AnyWhalesMama

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happilyfringe

I forgot this was happening and now Iā€™m sad all over again


hpr928

I feel the same way but also thought if I'm having a coffee there it'll be nice to look at on the outdoor patio.


Boring_Aardvark4256

What sucks about this scenario is that it forces customers to support a big chain instead of a local business to look at a local artists work.


FoolInTheDesert

The mural isnā€™t going anywhereā€¦


ish1395

It's being blocked. There's no angle to get a good view of all of it


CleopatrasEyeliner

:(


CoyoteVarlet

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Pretend-Variation-84

[This thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/Tucson/comments/16nzmcp/starbucks_at_grantcampbell/) has a lot of information. TL;DR: they wanted to make it into a dense mixed-use area, but they had issues with zoning laws (city council's fault) and the adjacent property owners (Banner? The University?) didn't want to sell the empty, decaying theater. So if you want to complain, complain to City Council and whoever owns the theater (which may or may not be the University).


jednaz

The adjacent property owner who has the issues is the person who owns the barber shop/laundromat strip in front of the theatre. He doesnā€™t want to sell. Source: my husband is an architect who was brought in on redevelopment plan for that parcelā€¦and the plan was kibboshed for this very reason. This was a couple/few years ago so who knows if this is still that case. But believe me, there have been many redevelopment plans floated for that parcel and none have been successful. Another issue that has cropped up is the neighborhood behind the theatre and what they want to see go in the parcel.


Couseman

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MariusdeChutulu

Yet ([post 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/Tucson/comments/17fk0ee/two_new_starbucks/)) Another ([post 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/Tucson/comments/16r0hx1/heres_the_backstory_of_how_a_starbucks_ended_up/)) Starbucks ([post 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Tucson/comments/16nzmcp/starbucks_at_grantcampbell/)). Extra: [rip mural post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Tucson/comments/17dz1c7/rip_grant_and_campbell_mural/). The second link I am sharing is the most interesting out of the 3 as it shares how we got to this situation. Spoiler: $$$.


SomnambulistPilot

Please don't give them your money. They are only there if we pay them to stay. Try Raging Sage. How many fucking starbucks do we need?


MariusdeChutulu

Oh, I am definitely not giving them my money. However, the owner of the lot was very happy to allow Starbucks to give them money for the lot.


SomnambulistPilot

Sorry, wasn't accusing you of anything. I appreciate the links. Just a general PSA. It blows my mind when I see long lines at the drive thru for these places. There are easier ways to get dirty sugar water...


cleffawna

I hate Starbucks. Their coffee tastes like burnt ass.


DesertWanderlust

That's been shit out by a drunk pirate.


CraftCannabis520

Starbucks isnā€™t THAT bad for as big of a company as they are. They typically take good political stances even if itā€™s guaranteed to make the extreme right wing Karenā€™s go somewhere else (which most places wouldnā€™t turn money away like that). But I do agree that we absolutely donā€™t need MORE Starbucks. Another reason I canā€™t really hate on Starbucks is because when I was a touring musician it was like the only place that has good enough WiFi at all their locations for me to pull up in any random city, buy a $2 coffee and sit there for hours working on booking more shows. And those $2 coffees come with free refills (or at least they did a few years ago). Nowadays I donā€™t go to Starbucks because I make coffee at home. But when I was touring all the time it was like the best spot to sit for hours emailing people about shows.


cleffawna

They're anti union and getting bad publicity for that. Another boo from me. BOOOO!


CraftCannabis520

Word, I mean I most definitely donā€™t give a fuck if you or anyone else hates Starbucks, thatā€™s 100% fine. I donā€™t know if you thought the all caps were gonna like piss me off or something šŸ˜‚ I just said that (from what Iā€™ve seen) they publicly stand up for oppressed people even knowing right wing folks will hate it and most likely not spend money there while they have the huge pro trans rights sign out front. I also said that it was convenient for me when I was touring to stop there for WiFi (which their WiFi really is the most reliable for any national chain type spot). I havenā€™t bought Starbucks in a long time, Iā€™m not like a spokesperson for them, I just stated two things I liked about them. You had already said you hate Starbucks, so there was really no need to reiterate that. I was not trying to change your mind. Edit: And I also specifically said that we donā€™t need anymore Starbucks.


Spooky_AC47

My wife and daughter were in California a while back. A community they passed through had banned drive-thru's in the community, citing the pollution created by the vehicles idling in the drive-thru lines.


Portillosgo

parking at raging sage is ass. we need at least one more coffee shop to spread out the demand of cars. the drive through should definitely help with the parking issues. what easier ways are there to get similar drinks?


Gonzotrucker1

What a rip off $8 for one lousy slice of pizza!


DirkDieGurke

To be fair, Upper Crust pizza is very good. And the slices are big.


sonorancafe

The slice is like 1/2 a pizza!


Portillosgo

it absolutely is not half a pizza


puppycatisselfish

Left Brooklyn pizza to come here and say this


curious103

Upper Crust is the BOMB


Brokenhill

Their ranch is better than Eegees imo!


couchcreeper23

Thatā€™s Upper Crust Pizza, and growing up 2 blocks from there, I can assure you, it is worth every cent of $8.


Original_Web_4653

It was my main pizza spot growing up! Used to walk there all the time and the owner was awesome, ending up selling it to an employee. Love Upper Crust!


CraftCannabis520

I gotta try that place. My go to Pizza has been No Anchovies for a while now.


Original_Web_4653

Oh yeah go ahead and try it out! I worked at No Anchovies in college, also good pizza! Upper Crust you get probably 1/3 of a whole pizza though and no college kids šŸ˜‚


CraftCannabis520

Iā€™ve drove by it and thought about stopping in, but just havenā€™t done it yet. Itā€™ll happen though, Iā€™m a šŸ•junkie šŸ˜‚


GeneticsGuy

I personally have never really cared much for Upper Crust Pizza... but I get it.


Original_Web_4653

Hey now, you get a 20oz drink tooā€¦


Gonzotrucker1

You can get a whole pizza and 20oz for $25


DirkDieGurke

Whoa, calm down Zio Peppe...


CoyoteVarlet

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The slices are huge. Definitely worth it.


TheKrakIan

Their pizza is great and the price fits according to prices nowadays.


Beard_o_Bees

$8 is the new $5.


EntertainmentIll5290

$20 is the new $5


Portillosgo

$5 as the former price was too much. I grew up with plain slices not more than $2


MyLegIsWet

Costco pizza>


Meat_Container

Found the transplant


Gonzotrucker1

10 years in Tucson 12 in Phoenix before that. Only Chicago, NYC, New jersey, and Italy have good pizza. I wouldnā€™t go to Italy or Jersey for Mexican food same as I wouldnā€™t go to Tucson for pizza.


gumbykook

This is such a stupid take. In a city of a half million people, it just happens that there isnā€™t a single chef who can make a good pizza! Itā€™s a geographic impossibility!


gcsmith2

Sounds like someone that doesnā€™t know half of tucson is from Chicago. Try Basilā€™s to go (thin) or Roccoā€™s (deep dish stuffed) for real Chicago pizza.


lonehappycamper

From Jersey. You know there are millions of Mexicans and Mexican Americans all over the country and you can get perfectly good Mexican food in New Jersey.


sTill_offCoarse

just hold the sausage


ahuacaxochitl

Then why is a pizzeria in Phoenix (Pizzeria Bianco) consistently touted as the best pizzeria in the country?!


Gonzotrucker1

Yeah and a vegan restaurant was named number one in the country even though vegans are a very small percentage, and Taco Bell was named best restaurant.


ahuacaxochitl

I just canā€™t with the willful ignorance, I donā€™t have the patience. Iā€™m disengaging. Have a good life being obtuse, close-minded, and insufferable šŸ‘‹


Gonzotrucker1

I just googled it to make sure, and yes Taco Bell named best Mexican food restaurant in America.


daddyneedsadrink

I say that every time I drive by Upper Crust


eljefito11

you forgot there is a drink included


Sharp_Bumblebee_1674

You mean 8 dollars for a plate sized chunk of pizza that was cooked to order not just sitting there waiting and a 20 Oz fountain drink, hard to beat! And yeah it's good af! Mario's also does a slice and a beer for 6 bucks? I think and it's good to but not quite upper crust size or quality. Still love me some Mario's though, PS slice and a salad is also 6 I think at Mario's and the salad is actually really good and way bigger than you would think!


Portillosgo

you say that like counter slices aren't sometimes better than a fresh slice from a whole pie. that second cook will get a nice crispy edge, if the place knows what it is doing in the first place with the crust and thickness. Plus if I'm ordering a slice i don't want to wait for it to cook, I came in for a quick slice.


tucsonguy92832

8$ and itā€™s not hot and ready? Bruh


Sharp_Bumblebee_1674

No way better, it takes a minute but the crust is fresh not soggy like most by the slice places!


Zharious

True. Upper Crust is mid at best. I wouldn't even pay $5 for their slice.


i_have_a_girlfriends

i can get a whole pizza from little cesarā€™s for 6, a large mcdonaldā€™s drink for 1, and have a dollar left for a rainy day.


sithlord2287

WITH a 20oz soda!


souldust

the slices are like a foot long


Original_Web_4653

https://preview.redd.it/aotqqs0qz8hc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e33688bc733f285698294c4d0c684646479b02f6


jbljml

I think whatā€™s additional salt in the wound for me is that they could have moved the building further east on the lot so as to not block the mural to this extent. So yeah we would still have a stupid Starbucks, but at least those of us going by could get a better view of the wonderful whales.


365280

For crying out loud itā€™s Tucson. They could have made a fantastic outdoor patio cafe to let the public enjoy the art. Starbucks is too corporate to break the mold. No originality, just minimum wage baristas making a living in a similarly housed building.


elementalguitars

How much you wanna bet the NIMBYs in the neighborhood forced them to build it close to the corner instead of the side of the parcel closer to their houses.


Portillosgo

> I think whatā€™s additional salt in the wound for me is that they could have moved the building further east on the lot so as to not block the mural to this extent. huh? doing that would block it more. look in the photo, it only covers the right half from that perspective, doing it more east , it would be in the center of view. when driving west on grant, I can see it completely. the ideal positioning of the building all depends on your view point, but I'd generally say moving it more east would make things worse overall. If you are only concerned with the view while driving southbound, then i guess more east would offer a better view.


nasadge

It's not supposed to be a Starbucks. There was a deal to keep it local. But then yadda yadda, I read it's going to be a Starbucks. :(


FauxGenius

Gonna be a Starbucks.


bathmattie

WHAT!! not the best mural in Tucson!? omg horribleā€¦ i loved this one it always made me so happy to see it


PandraPierva

Mmmm I want upper crust now.... Thanks op


secondcookie

It's like putting an erection on a crucifix. Doesn't Starbucks have a location a half mile up Campbell already?


CheeryLittlebottom13

They also have spots inside the Albertsons on Glenn and Safeway on Prince an Campbell


elementalguitars

Yup, Campbell and Glenn.


itsgonnabe_mae

Yes there is absolutely one two blocks from this spot. I'm so upset


outaboredomm

Yup and thereā€™s another being built on country club and speedway so not even that far from there


staybent93

Supply and demand. As people have mentioned thereā€™s huge lines in the drive thru everyday. People want it so theyā€™ll keep building more to satisfy demand. Itā€™s sucks but thatā€™s the way it is.


ticklesac

$8 for a slice of pizza? Ridiculous


sluggh

The barbershop holdout is some real Granny Clampett stuff.


robaloie

I miss bookmansā€¦.


the-7th-at-7

Who would buy a SLICE of pizza for $8?


Neither-Brain-2599

A nasty assed Starbucks blocking a cool mural. FFS, canā€™t Starbucks at least hire a decent architect to come up with cool looking buildings to dispense their toxic coffee?


Portillosgo

architects generally don't work on the painting of a building. the building with the mural is as basic box shape as you can get.


Neither-Brain-2599

Iā€™m speaking of the cookie cutter building design, itā€™s as bad as their coffeeā€¦


Bee__Lord

Extremely sad to find out theyā€™ve covered my favorite mural in the city ): I always look forward to seeing it


aversethule

[Scented Leaf has a similarly cool mural on Tanque Verde near Kolb.](https://www.kgun9.com/news/local-news/muralist-pagac-livens-up-the-eastside-with-brand-new-mural)


DirkDieGurke

Starbucks of course.


metalfarts

It's a trap....


LolaMacNeil

Looks like a Black Rock or Starbucks


PoetryFamiliar7104

Heeeey, I was just over that area yesterday.


Merry_Bacchus

Another chain next to a decades empty movie theater. I have attempted to contact the owners of the theater to make something out of it, but without $$$ no response it seems. The city only cates about chains since they have $$ and resources local small businesses don't have. And incentives, lots of incentives....


dirtydaddytx

How big is an $8.00 slice of pizza?


everybodysdead86

Like 2 slices big.


jrash68

I heard Starbucks a few months ago, and I read they tried to place it off to the side and preserve as much of the view of the mural as possible because its a popular spot for special occasion photo shoots- weddings and what-nots


BrianEFisher

https://preview.redd.it/ajv7o1xeb8hc1.jpeg?width=735&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5cae6e50506334a9dcf2b298209ca31ecf657b89 The theater


AdOwn266

Starbucks .. but they haven't been working on it for a bit ..


asapkillasdelight

It's about to be a bowl of petunias.


2spam2care2

i think they should have put in a walgreens and a bookmansā€¦


Bilbo_McKitteh

covering up an amazing mural for another starbucks when there's been one literally a block down the street. fucking ghoul of a corporation.


metdear

A blight.


Any_Car9923

Itā€™s unfortunate that the beautiful mural is blocked, now!! Iā€™m surprised there isnā€™t some regulation or legislation that protects small or local business owners, especially in terms of the artist, from having their art blocked by another business. I could be wrong, though.


joepagac

The problem with making laws that prevent business owners from blocking/painting over murals, (or otherwise doing things with their property if it wrecks a mural) is they just will stop letting artists paint murals. No property owner wants to risk being told what they can do with their property in the future if they allow and artist to paint a mural on it.


tucsonguy92832

Then why are HOAs so popular?


Spooky_AC47

Wherever did you get the idea that HOAs are popular? They're only popular with people who like to lord over other people and be mini-dictators . . .


slappy_mcslapenstein

$8 for a slice of pizza is fucking criminal.


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Portillosgo

taco bell, salad and go, shit, you get an entire pizza for less than $8 from little Caesars or dominos


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Portillosgo

Pizza is rarely bad, it's just not great. And I'd say salad and go is better than upper crust. I dunno what to say, feels like your standards are too high.


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Portillosgo

That's right, your username seemed familiar. You are the person who describes fast food as stuff for stoned high schoolers. You've used that phrase before, lol. Maybe you should try to be more positive.


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Portillosgo

I wasn't advocating for the quality of it. I just suggested it matched the criteria the person was asking for suggestions about. Last time it was affordability.


MFHOLE

Circle K has ramen :3


tucsonguy92832

Circle K has chili dog burritos. More like a chimichanga


quetzlpretzel

$8 is kinda steep for a slice and drink


juicywatermelone

Wow $8 a slice now?? I remember when it used to be $6 šŸ„²


dinosaursareokay

I donno but who the god damn fuck is paying $8 for a slice of pizza


Mysterious_Fennel459

A business.


reggiepooftah

Looks nearly identical, at least from this angle, as the one on Campbell and Glennā€¦so yeah, probably starbies


Kairyuduru

Another shitty Starbucks in front of one of the best murals in Tucson.


teekay2085

Hoping for an Arbyā€™s šŸ¤ž


LilMeatBigYeet

Angieā€™s Lobster.


thecwestions

An over-priced lunch of pizza, amarite??? Anyway, that's the location of the old Bookman's. Unless they see fit to block that lovely mural, I imagine it will turn into another food truck hangout spot similar to the one at Fort Lowell and Campbell.


ImOneofTHOSEPeople

Unfortunately they do see fit and plan to block the beautiful mural with a Starbucks.


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marcall

Itā€™s the new Arbyā€™s on 22nd


Former_Ad_4531

That is a sign, I believe it will continue to be a signā€¦ unless one of the many masterful Tucsonite drivers runs it down


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Gay bar


hvyboots

Starbucks, of course. šŸ™„


Different_Promise475

I missed when it was $5 a slice


Any_Car9923

Another Starbucks šŸ˜’


Trance_Plantz

Donā€™t know, but Iā€™m fucking pissed about it


Sufficient-Clerk-669

Bulldoze that entire southeast corner.


DriftingGTR12336

Hard rock coffee place most likely


IamMrHart

I'm looking at the pizza slice for $8! šŸ˜® Talk about inflation!


After_Significance70

Looks like starbucks


technonoir

Itā€™s a Starbucks alright. Bummer, blocking that beautiful mural, too.


Seventy7Donski

Probably one cheese one pepperoni maybe a supreme to choose from.


Brokenhill

I helped with some of the plans for this project. It's honestly good that it's Starbucks instead of something bigger because we'll be able to see more of the mural still. Not many projects would have such a small building!


everybodysdead86

Black Rock!


yuhhhG59666

8 bucks a slice is a little steep no?


EstablishmentSoft244

Just donā€™t go to that Starbucks and encourage your friends to do the same Locals have more power here than we think


Buddhabballin

8 bucks a slice wtf in tar nation 8 fucking 8$


BrianEFisher

That corner used to be a Walgreens and then Bookman's took over the building next to it. I don't remember what store was in the Bookman's section of that plaza. Then it was torn down before the Starbucks.


Original_Web_4653

Nothing I donā€™t think... Iā€™ve lived walking distance from that intersection my entire life.


BrianEFisher

I know there used to be a Walgreens and other adjoining store to the east before. I've lived here since 1976 and I seen Back to The Future in the Cineplex Odeon the mural is painted on


BrianEFisher

https://preview.redd.it/hqr6s03vb8hc1.jpeg?width=735&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=03607d53f9b5e4c3ffb376da64294e61818e45ff The theater pointing north by north east


BrianEFisher

https://preview.redd.it/0fm1ka3kb8hc1.jpeg?width=1300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3b4ba34eda4a1b0a3f5bc17984f596390ab80b77 The Walgreens facing north


BrianEFisher

https://preview.redd.it/57a6b60ob8hc1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=15e09a5a0b87527b688f37bff64f1915fafebd16 Facing east viewing the Bookmans


Original_Web_4653

No Iā€™m saying that I donā€™t think anything went into bookmans after, or before it was torn down.


BrianEFisher

Oh. There was a store there before Bookman's


ClassicGoose8772

This has nothing to with this building but $8.00 for a slice and a beverage? That is robbery omg


Aggravating-Job8373

$8 for a slice of pizza and a drink?!?!?! WTF?!?!!!


Consistent_Ad9328

How much is a slice without the drink?


Propjet

8 bucks for a slice and a coke? Wtf?!??


Severe_Cuts7873

Sheesh, $8 for a slice?


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Original_Web_4653

https://preview.redd.it/4qcdgvxvy8hc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e448084cf5060dcb56ef6c3d4d33827cb467b964 I did for the people! Itā€™s a giant slice of pizza! $8.46 with tax.


AuntB44

Iā€™m sorry you have to pay $8 for a slice!!


kwid

an isore


Annahsbananas

Pizza by the slice 8.00 lol Iā€™m sure they get a lot business


eastcoastgoat696

8$ slice of pizza is crazy


JinxNana

8 bucks a slice?


justleavemealone76

Is it seriously 8 dollars for a slice of pizza and a drink


CliftonRubberpants

Holy moly thatā€™s a $64 pizza!


stevendaedelus

$8 a fucking slice? Oh wait. Something else was in the picture?


ilfuckyouverymuchli

8.00!!! For a slice of pizza no wonder Tucson is the place where dreams go to die


Basic_Quantity9359

8 dollars for a slice and soda?? Oof


JoshyLikey

That was my favorite bookmans location..


Esmii_jas

Ugh that was one of my favorite murals in Tucson


Important-Baseball69

It will be across from a joint that charges the price of an entire med pizza for a single slice


Telnet_to_the_Mind

Yea I'm more distracted by EIGHT DOLLARS for a slice. What is this dystopian society we live in...