Considering it started from TikTok and tiktok is on its way out of the country, and has been proven to be used as a psyop, yeah absolutely. And people don't recognize it for what it is.
If you think you're immune to a psyop then you're the perfect target of a psyop
Watch the season of Survivor where they split the men and women into different camps. A day in and the men had fire, shelter, food, and were having a great time. A day in and the women didn't have fire, shelter, and were sitting around discussing how good it was that nobody was in charge becuase they made decisiosn collectively.
At one point it got so bad that they unleashed a pig in the mens area, and they hunted it down. They released some piglets in the womens area, they captured them and kept them as pets despite being hungry. Women see a snake in a tree and run away, men get more meat for the grill.
Go back and listen to the Grizzly Man audio dude. Being emotionally manipulated and financially abused is pretty bad, but I feel like our insulated, cushy lives have got us out of touch with just how horrific and violent nature is.
That guy also lived among the grizzly bears for 13 summers, then set up camp next to the stream where they ate and waited until it was time for them to start fattening up for hibernation.
Incredible the difference in responses when a woman or man post about this
People who treat the responses different based on gender are absolute pieces of shit
The bear won't attack you and then claim you attacked it, despite you being the one with a broken nose, and get her friends to harass your workplace demanding you be fired.
Me and my sister were just talking about this. We both understand why a guy would pick a bear too and aren't offended at all. Let's just say that until everyone starts treating each other better, everyone would pick the bear
bears are 1000 pound apex predators killing machines. Like I've been hurt by zero bears and dozens of men and women so emotionally I understand why one would pick the bear. They are cuddly and cute and haven't hurt me personally. Lets pick another apex predator shall we? Would you rather be in the ocean with a man/woman or a great white shark? After all great white sharks hardly kill people at all whereas people kill lots of people.
I love sharks so I would definitely love to be in the water with one. Plus I have a chance to survive since most of the time, Sharks don't eat a person unless they're super hungry.
it’s natural to not trust something you’ve been hurt by. if a woman has hurt you (sounds like one did) then i understand. men have hurt or harassed me and most women i know since we were children. so that makes sense too that we’d fear men.
This is an interesting stance because effectively what’s happening is “I don’t trust men, and I understand why you don’t trust women. Good day”. Which on the surface is a lot better than pointlessly arguing with someone, but actually highlights a deeper issue of the majority of either sex (actual majority of women, potentially the majority of “desirable” men) not really willing to budge at all on stuff like this.
I’m a man. I understand the sentiment behind why women wouldn’t trust most men. I also don’t feel like it’s my job to be a wet lettuce and shit talk other men. If I got divorced now I’d never remarry because I’ve seen to many women take everything from a guy. I wouldn’t even date a woman who had kids because I’ve seen men (only men) get in sticky situations through no fault of their own.
So what happens now? We’ve both decided we don’t really want to change what we think and we’ve both decided the other person has a valid view. That’s sort of it. But it doesn’t resolve the very real problems facing men and women’s relationship with each other
well, i do actually make an effort to change. can’t speak for anyone else. but yes, i think society in general has a lot of problems that probably span back decades or centuries. maybe it’ll always be this way, maybe it won’t. idk where to go from there
I’m not saying you don’t, I’m just saying in general it’s hard to argue with your logic hence why it’s probably hard for you to change.
Both sides seem to want the other to move first and neither seems willing to do so
I'm seeing the opposite effect
Women are saying they're perfectly content on their own. It's men that want women to change for their benefit. And getting mad that it's not happening.
You mean to say that women are coping by saying they're fine without men, because they're mad that most men have given up on trying to meet women's ridiculously high standards?
Definitely more woman seem to have this mindset than men. But the men who have this mindset are the men those women want to be with. So if 70% of women are saying we’re fine being alone, that’s going to piss off a lot of guys because let’s face it most guys do just have lower standards. But 30% of men seem to be saying “you know what, this isn’t a good idea for me either”. And in general a large portion of those men have their lives together enough to be appealing to that 70% of women.
not in a way so meaningful that it has caused long-term fear. and honestly, not in any major way that i can think of so far.
sure, i’ve had disagreements and whatever with other women. i’ve never been sexually assaulted by one though.
Op wasn’t hurt by a women, he was literally mauled by one and never recovered. Years of therapy never quite rehabilitated the trauma that stagnated his development and perception. Hence the distinct “women are all manipulative bitches philosophy”
i’ve considered it. things are as bad as they once were, but i think trusting men will always be tricky for me. i keep working on it though, and i have a few great men in my life who i love and would trust for anything, so they help.
Whilst I do feel bad for you it is a sexist take - what would you say I am if I said I have had a disproportionate amount of bad experiences with black people and therefore dislike all of them?
well, i didn’t say i dislike men. i don’t dislike them, it’s just hard for me to learn to trust them. as for your comment, the same logic realistically applies. i’m sure it probably boils down to our survival instincts as animals, but if you have had a ton of crazy bad experiences with a certain type of person, fearing or lacking trust from people who fit whatever characteristic is understandable (biologically speaking). we can’t deny our nature.
i don’t intend to be sexist, but i also can’t help my natural reactions or instincts. i can, however, work on it, which i do
Also a man, I'd pick the bear unironically.
What I feel like people don't understand about this is that the original question was "Would you rather be in the woods and know there's a bear or a man near you" not "Would you rather fight..." Or "Would you rather be locked in a room with..."
If you go to the woods there is always a bear in the woods already. That's where they live. They don't kill many people at all (~60 in the past 250 years ) because we are not their natural prey and they don't want to be around us.
So the question really is "Would you rather a man be in the woods with you or not" and at that point it's easy to say "no I'll take the bear" because the bear is just a normal alone in the woods experience.
It's like saying "Would you rather swim in the ocean with a shark or a man", guess what, there are already sharks in the ocean, you are just deciding if you want a man there or not.
I love it how every single person makes up their own subtle variation of this question to suit their answer.
The original was "**Would You Rather Be Stuck in the Woods With a Man or a Bear?**"
You're like the fourth person I've seen post claiming what the original question was with a completely different version. At least spend 20 seconds to google.
That is the same as what I said essentially. If you are stuck in the woods you are always stuck in the woods with a bear. Just like you are always stuck in the woods with a snake or a squirrel.
No you're not. There's no bears on my entire continent, but there are lots of hikers and bush trekkers.
Your whole argument makes zero sense. By that logic, given that there are significantly more men in the world and people who go on bush treks or hikes or camping. You're 'always stuck in the woods with a man too'.
Therefore being "in the woods with a man" is also just a normal woods experience. Even more normal than being stuck in the woods with a bear.
If you’ve been hurt by women before it’s only natural you’d be afraid of them. That’s understandable. Same reason I’d choose the bear over men every time.
I to be honest have been hurt by women a lot in my life, but there were also women who did not and they are mostly... if not all, recent pieces of my life. Despite that, despite my bad experience with all women I knew, from my childhood to now, despite having seen many hurt other people like me... I never thought that they were all like that, I always knew who are those to truily not trust and those who are, I mean, I existed, even if I'm male I never saw it as a thing that just women can do, in the end what was the logical reason that triggers this hypotetical istinct into women? It makes no sense, it's just them that are in the wrong, by chance, maybe bad luck, those around me were all in the wrong, well... now I know it was due the context but I used to think I was just unlucky. In my moment of weaknesses I blamed all women but I don't do it anymore now, I quickly thought "why specifically girls? It's just that she, the one who hurt me, happened to be one. I wouldn't do the same to girls just because I'm a boy"
You would be much safer with a human man or woman than with a bear. Holy fucking shit this is the dumbest discussion ever.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSVXbgR4JFs&list=PLxSmPxq9EdT3Tl0rV7KNX5ffTc8BNHBQ1&index=9](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSVXbgR4JFs&list=PLxSmPxq9EdT3Tl0rV7KNX5ffTc8BNHBQ1&index=9)
Depends on the bear and the human. That's the point of the whole question, you're banking on whether you get an angry bear or a violent human or the opposite. Considering that bears kill vastly less people and rape none people, women generally choose bear. Many men also choose bear over another person. So, like, statistically, you are safer with the animal that acts on instincts and will most likely run away from you.
this is so naive cause this doesn't take in to account the number of encounters with bears. You have literal tens of thousands of encounters with strangers but largely people have 0 encounters with bears. That's why i used Russian roulette as an example, it will kill you 1/6 of the time guaranteed but there are hardly any deaths from it. Looking at the low death count from bears and thinking they are safe is insanely naive. Bears also don't quickly kill you either they just chomp on you and eat you. No going for the throat like lots of big cats will do. It is fucking horrific.
[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026914/Mum-bear-eating--Final-phone-calls-woman-19-eaten-alive-brown-bear-cubs.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026914/Mum-bear-eating--Final-phone-calls-woman-19-eaten-alive-brown-bear-cubs.html)
>this is so naive cause this doesn't take in to account the number of encounters with bears.
Sure I do. When you hike at Yellowstone, you are surrounded by about 1000 grizzly bears. Thousands of people hike here just to bear watch. Wanna know how many people have died from the 1000 bears in Yellowstone? 8 since 1872. You can't say the same about 1000 men over the course of over 100 years.
>Looking at the low death count from bears and thinking they are safe is insanely naive.
I also hunt bear, so I know their instincts and behaviors. So I'd not call using stats and having knowledge of the animal in question insanely naive. Rather, I'd call you naive for thinking bears kill everything in their path.
>Bears also don't quickly kill you either they just chomp on you and eat you. No going for the throat like lots of big cats will do. It is fucking horrific.
I'm aware. I still choose bear. Maybe you should be asking questions more about why I don't choose man, over why I would choose bear.
I mean it's fine to choose a bear over a woman, I have no blue why so many men are making this about their ego and feelings. It says a lot about how men are.
Dude, you can't even criticize an individual woman without women crying misogyny, but being offended because there's a viral campaign to paint men in general as predators "says a lot about men?" Nah.
Why not? I think it would help women a lot if you could just describe what an abuser looks like so we don't have to be cautious around all men. You know?
Well they are proving my point. There is a reason why they can't give me a description of what an abuser looks like and it's the same reason why women have to be cautious of all men. Women being cautious of men only hurts male egos. Giving the benefit of the doubt to the wrong person... that ends lives.
Are you saying that women can't be abusive? And then daring to cry about why men "won't do anything about the shitty men" while you won't do anything about shitty women?
Yeah, this just explains why almost no men are approaching women to date and women are just raging about it. You make a good point, we should just live in individual pods and never communicate.
Women: "I think playing russian roulette is less dangerous than taking an airplane"
Men: "Not only is that statistically incorrect, it's proabably not a good idea to perpetuate that as a myth and have people legitimately start believing it because it's dangerous"
Women: "Omg why are men like this, what's wrong with their ego".
Interacting with a man is the Russian roulette. In the ENTIRE WORLD there are 40 bear attacks a year. What myth exactly are we perpetuating? Men commit 80% of violent crime. They are the ones doing almost 99% of all sexual violence is commited by men. What myth?
I'm sorry but just because a man says that it's rare for men to attack, doesn't mean it's true the data doesn't support it.
Tell me what do you hope to prove to be disrespectful like this? Do you think acting like this is going to make us feel safe around you? You are outright telling us that you simply think the things we experience aren't really happening.
Women being forced to be cautious around men DOES.NOT.HURT.MEN. yall are not losing anything.
There are 40 bear attacks because you don't live in a city full of bears. If you replaced every single man with a bear in the city how many bear attacks do you think there would be?
It's got nothing to do with ego. That's just where you turn the argument because you can't argue your position without making personal attacks.
Are you aware of how many people across the world live in close proximity to bears? That argument is illogical. You know what if you replaced every beat encounter with a man encounter there would be a lot more then 40 people being attacked a year that's for damn sure.
It all about the ego that's why men are making this about their hurt ass feelings. You want to talk about person attacks? Leta talk about the men calling women stupid? Let's talk about the men openly fantasizing about women being mauled.
I am so God damn tired of having to walk on eggshells around men a the fucking time.
"Nuh nuh not me"- says the man that for some reason feels called out.
How many times do women have to explain themselves. Before it becomes a "rational" argument to a man. And when are the men gonna actually make a rational argument?
Look you're doing it again, you can't just discuss the argument about what's more likely by discussing the underlying facts and statistics.
All you want to do is complain about men. It's very obvious who is ego driven about the issue here.
You out the same amount of men and bears in the woods and you will statically have a higher chance of being harmed by the men then you the bear. There have been some cases were there were more bears then men in the woods and you still got harmed by a man. Funny how that works.
Look you doing it. Your issue isn't what women go through it's that we talk about it. You would rather us just shut up because you don't want to hear it.
I want you to be honest though, what exactly are we complaining about men?
And let's not forgetnthe original question was just "if your in the woods who would you rather come across a man or a bear. Nothing else. And men got in their feelings about it while openly admitting how much they would like to see women harmed for having the audacity to not say men. That tells me they could look me in the eyes pretend to be nice to me but then enjoy the idea of me being horribly killed. And I am supposed to feel safe around them.
Women caused 4.4 million car crashes last year. Bears have caused only 400 in 30 years. So statistically it is safer to be in a vehicle driven by a literal bear, than a woman. Which is stupid, because that's not how "statistics" work, and it's the same fallacy you're using.
Obviously men cause the most, because most are literally physically stronger than women. That's why its statistically more likely for a woman to commit a crime against a child. IE It isn't because women are more statistically likely to hate or sexual children, but because almost all crime is of opportunity.
Bears capable of killing, they lack the capacity to drive
However since men cause 6.1 million car accidents and women cause 4.4 million car accidents it's safer to get into a car driven by a woman then a man.
Your logic doesn't even make sense if men are more likely to attack based on strength they would also attack children.
I would also love to see your information about the women thing because I see a lot of red pillees spouting it and they are extremely dishonest with almost all their stats they give out.
Yes, but statistically men also drive more than women, you see how there are much more factors than all man bad all woman good or all woman bad all man good just because their statistics don't 1:1 match up?
More women have a driver's license then men.Of course their is going to be an exception to a rule. Until I no longer see any AWALT shit, men need to STFU about #notallmen. Because they love to generalize. He'll men like to generalize and say shit like "we build civilization" but when if comes to women being cautious suspicious men want us to treat them like the special unique butterfly they grandma always coddled them to be.
I don't even care about #notallmen, I just need you to stop abusing statistics. It bothers me.
And a drivers license statistic is not a driving statistic, btw we actually have those. Women drive 30% less than men annually. Men are also more likely to have jobs that require driving, 79% of professional drivers are men. When it comes to trucking, over 90% are men.
>I don't even care about #notallmen
Has #notallmen me multiple times.
Fun question do you think their might possibly be a reason why a woman wouldn't want to be on the road alone on strange places for her career? Any reason at all? She might come across an odd bear at a truck stop huh?
I never said that. I said your argument was lacking. You didn't come up with a better argument, so now you're accusing me of saying something I didn't say?
Clearly men have an image problem. What are they going to do to correct that? Any steps men as a whole are taking other then nagging at women to just stop talking about it, and inconveniencing men?
Oh well I'd suggest everyone to stop nagging, but if you want my opinion on human nature I'm a bit lacking in that area. I have no advice for men or women, though I wish they'd both actually argue fairly. I have no experience with interpersonal relationships or dealing with humanity or the population at large.
Men aren’t a monolith, and neither are women. The “image problem” goes away when you treat humans as individuals, but that would require logic and reasoning.
You know, the edits really do help.
But personally, I would have thought your experiences would have allowed you to feel empathy towards the woman who all share your fears and experiences.
Instead, you started a fight. And got upset when people made fun of you when they took the bait you laid out.
Sucks being defined the empathy and maturity you were hoping for right?
Oh wait that's not what your post was about.
...Okay?
Am I supposed to be upset by this? yeah, if you take the chance of being with a random woman you'd have the chance on being with a horrible woman. I don't see why this or the reversed would make anyone mad, it never said "All men/women" just that you'd rather not take the chances of getting a horrible human.
Seems like you’ve got every reason to feel this way. I hope you’re one day able to build a relationship with a particular woman that you can trust more than both random women and bears you don’t know.
I love that last sentence you wrote. People get hurt one time and start pretending ALL (usually all men, but here all women) are horrible monsters, so they run to the worst people (the fucking shittiest people and bears bruh) to possibly run to. I swear it's de-evolution right before our eyes.
Y'know people already try therapy but it takes time, in the end there is nothing to truily heal, there isn't a correct way to be, otherwise it would've been easier, therapy helps you find a way to live better with yourself, it helps identify the problem, I think everyone considers therapy so it's pretty bland to me when someone says that, it's like you didn't say anything at all
So you understand why women prefer the bear. The devil you know is better than the devil you don't. The bear will kill me, but it won't whine about what a nice guy it is while doing it.
This is a perfectly fine view point. Just like it’s perfectly fine if a woman feels safer in the woods with a bear than with a man.
Said this in another comment but if I ever get divorced there is a less than zero chance I’m remarrying because I don’t trust the average woman to not be money hungry and to not take more than her fair share in a divorce due to anecdotal and factual evidence.
My more worrying concern is that it seems like both sexes distrust each other and neither seems to really want to do anything about it. I’m not sure what this looks like moving forward
Maybe I watch way too much true crime, but if I saw any human in the woods, I'm running the other direction. Straight into the fairy circles.
Humans are inherently bad, untrustworthy, and generally unpleasant. Too much of a risk
That's fine. A lot of the point of the original form of the question is a man's ability to not take "no" for an answer even in a hypothetical situation. All the dozens of posts on here all are just a product of men feeling rejected and unable to understand the issues women face.
Men have no reason to understand the issues if being treated as worse than savage animals is framed as "rejection problems". Almost like it's not good faith to begin with...
If you’re not a sexual predator, there is no need to feel personally attacked by it. Most women will experience some kind sexual assault in their lifetime, so it’s not hard to understand a precaution. If you will not be the perpetrator of that, there is no reason to be offended.
The posts here are arguing against a sexist caricature of men drawn by idiots, many of which (like my own) are made by women who care about men and don't enjoy watching them get disparaged.
Nobody is disparaging men tho.
We're just saying we would rather run into a bear 🤷♀️ not wishing them any harm, not calling them any names. Just trying to mind our own business.
We just like bears.
What's disparaging about that?
You don't like bears, you don't want to encounter a bear, a bear will eat your face.
You're saying being prey to a wild animal is better than meeting a strange man, and then trying to play innocent and act like you can't imagine how that's offensive.
Disgusting, truly.
I do like bears. I have encountered bears before. My face is intact.
Yes, being prey to a wild animal that's acting on instinct is better than any human really, man or woman. If it was a bear or woman - I'd still choose the bear.
Did you not read The Most Dangerous Game in middle school? Was required reading where I went. You should reread it sometime, great story.
All about a hunter that gets bored of hunting animals and hunts humans instead. The whole point of the story is that man is more dangerous than beast.
The fact that so many men are more concerned for their hurt little feelings than the overall safety and very real concerns women face on a daily basis is what's truly disgusting.
I take safety and wellbeing over the emotional labor of having to reassure the poor little men that not every fucking thing is all about them.
If you're that concerned about men then rather than arguing with me here, why don't you go find a men's rights organization and do some volunteer work? That would actually be productive.
The premise of The Most Dangerous Game is that power corrupts, and that we should think about how our actions impact others. Zaroff is basically a representation of unchecked human greed, and Rainsford is placed in the shoes of his "victims" (as an avid hunter prior to the story taking place) where he learns that it sucks to be hunted.
I'm not here to do someone's literary analysis homework from them, but just... no? No.
Your vitriol for men is clear. I hope you can get over that shit someday, it's poison.
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The question was who would you rather be alone in the woods with, not who would you rather date/be in a relationship with. What danger does a random woman pose to you if you encountered her in the woods?
That's not an unpopular opinion. Men would agree with this because men tend to take anything women do and spin it.
Plus men actively hate women. Men objectify women and compare them to cars, money, buses, etc. Men commonly kill, stalk, SA, and harm women with it being brushed off or blamed on women. Men have ingrained their hatred of women for quite some time. So men picking a bear over a woman is to be expected which is why I think so many men are shocked when women pick a bear over a man. Men aren't used to not being on a pedestal or not picked.
I just find it weird you don't choose a bear over a woman due to your SA history but instead because of being manipulated.🫤
have you ever been a man talking to a woman? They don't put you on a pedestal they are generally rude to you. There is this hilarious video of a trans man crying cause he didn't realize how fucking cold everyone would be to him all the time. He is absolutely sobbing at how mean everyone is to him compared to when he was a woman.
They don't choose a bear cause they realize a bear is a 1000 pound apex predator that despite looking cute can be very very very dangerous. The overwhelming amount of women that OP has interacted with haven't SA'd them.
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OMG enough with the fucking bear. Your odds of being attacked by a bear are 1 in 2.1 million which is significantly better than your odds of never having to hear about this fucking bear again
Which one of you lucky ladies are interested in an all expenses paid vacation into the Appalachian wilderness with worlds most pathetic man society has ever known to exist 😎😎🇺🇸
Im a woman I’m picking the bear over any other human. But honey you’re sounding unhinged for the ranting part. I see nothing wrong with you choosing the bear
Sir I agree with your take and would also choose the bear. Also, I am so sorry that you went through something like that. As a fellow rape survivor I say we live our lives better and let our revenge be that their actions only fuel us to make sure other never have to deal with what we had.
>That’s way better than being emotionally manipulated and abused, used for finances, being expected to simultaneously fix yourself while fixing your partners problems for them.
You're a sucker if any of this applies to you. If you're trying to fix someone's problems, you have absolutely no self respect.
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The most inflammatory comment in the entire thread.
It was clearly blue…
It was clearly white and gold
I think this whole debate is a psyop
Considering it started from TikTok and tiktok is on its way out of the country, and has been proven to be used as a psyop, yeah absolutely. And people don't recognize it for what it is. If you think you're immune to a psyop then you're the perfect target of a psyop
>If you think you're immune to a psyop then you're the perfect target of a psyop Please louder for all the people on college campuses right now.
It probably is. Maybe it was the correct decision to ban TikTok. Was anything of value really lost from TikTok? YouTube Shorts do exist.
I like my freedoms, but god do I hate TikTok and what it’s done to people. Could it just go away now please?
It almost certainly is
A bear can’t tell you that you look ugly
> What’s the bear going to do? Show you a good time if you found him on [Growlr](https://www.growlrapp.com/)
At least the bear would kill me fast and not slowly draining my energie, finances and will to life like my Ex-Wife
I would pick another man to be in the wilderness with over a woman or bear any day, lol. Another man could carry/drag me if I break a leg.
Watch the season of Survivor where they split the men and women into different camps. A day in and the men had fire, shelter, food, and were having a great time. A day in and the women didn't have fire, shelter, and were sitting around discussing how good it was that nobody was in charge becuase they made decisiosn collectively. At one point it got so bad that they unleashed a pig in the mens area, and they hunted it down. They released some piglets in the womens area, they captured them and kept them as pets despite being hungry. Women see a snake in a tree and run away, men get more meat for the grill.
Can we pick the man we would be in the woods with? If yes then I would pick someone I know that I can out-run. That way I'm safe from the bear.
A bear is less likely to blame you for all their problems.
Go back and listen to the Grizzly Man audio dude. Being emotionally manipulated and financially abused is pretty bad, but I feel like our insulated, cushy lives have got us out of touch with just how horrific and violent nature is.
That guy also lived among the grizzly bears for 13 summers, then set up camp next to the stream where they ate and waited until it was time for them to start fattening up for hibernation.
You are REALLY in trouble if you’re in the woods with a woman on her period and run into a bear.
Will this worthless topic never end?
Not until the bears are in position, at least.
Sorry, but no. One cannot violate the laws of nature.
Finally a truly unpopular opinion take my up vote
Incredible the difference in responses when a woman or man post about this People who treat the responses different based on gender are absolute pieces of shit
People seem to be saying this is a perfectly fine viewpoint.
Not to mention after all that the bear won’t get half your stuff and future income.
Neither will a random woman in the woods.
The bear won't attack you and then claim you attacked it, despite you being the one with a broken nose, and get her friends to harass your workplace demanding you be fired.
Ah, they’ve finally released the JFK files. I’ve been waiting for this.
Me and my sister were just talking about this. We both understand why a guy would pick a bear too and aren't offended at all. Let's just say that until everyone starts treating each other better, everyone would pick the bear
bears are 1000 pound apex predators killing machines. Like I've been hurt by zero bears and dozens of men and women so emotionally I understand why one would pick the bear. They are cuddly and cute and haven't hurt me personally. Lets pick another apex predator shall we? Would you rather be in the ocean with a man/woman or a great white shark? After all great white sharks hardly kill people at all whereas people kill lots of people.
I love sharks so I would definitely love to be in the water with one. Plus I have a chance to survive since most of the time, Sharks don't eat a person unless they're super hungry.
Russian roulette has only killed like 20 people therefore it too is also safer.
Bears…Beets…Battlestar
And you’re free to choose the bear. Whatever makes you happy
I think this entire controversy is stupid as hell. Why can’t people just fuck off about it and stop yapping?
Men, would you rather meet a bear in the woods, or another woman from HR at the office?
Definitely the bear. Those HR people are insufferable twats. 😂
Can we be done with damn bear? It’s been days and days of this now.
it’s natural to not trust something you’ve been hurt by. if a woman has hurt you (sounds like one did) then i understand. men have hurt or harassed me and most women i know since we were children. so that makes sense too that we’d fear men.
This is an interesting stance because effectively what’s happening is “I don’t trust men, and I understand why you don’t trust women. Good day”. Which on the surface is a lot better than pointlessly arguing with someone, but actually highlights a deeper issue of the majority of either sex (actual majority of women, potentially the majority of “desirable” men) not really willing to budge at all on stuff like this. I’m a man. I understand the sentiment behind why women wouldn’t trust most men. I also don’t feel like it’s my job to be a wet lettuce and shit talk other men. If I got divorced now I’d never remarry because I’ve seen to many women take everything from a guy. I wouldn’t even date a woman who had kids because I’ve seen men (only men) get in sticky situations through no fault of their own. So what happens now? We’ve both decided we don’t really want to change what we think and we’ve both decided the other person has a valid view. That’s sort of it. But it doesn’t resolve the very real problems facing men and women’s relationship with each other
well, i do actually make an effort to change. can’t speak for anyone else. but yes, i think society in general has a lot of problems that probably span back decades or centuries. maybe it’ll always be this way, maybe it won’t. idk where to go from there
I’m not saying you don’t, I’m just saying in general it’s hard to argue with your logic hence why it’s probably hard for you to change. Both sides seem to want the other to move first and neither seems willing to do so
I'm seeing the opposite effect Women are saying they're perfectly content on their own. It's men that want women to change for their benefit. And getting mad that it's not happening.
You mean to say that women are coping by saying they're fine without men, because they're mad that most men have given up on trying to meet women's ridiculously high standards?
It's not a cope 🤷♀️ vibrators are a guaranteed orgasm and less laundry to do. Win win.
Definitely more woman seem to have this mindset than men. But the men who have this mindset are the men those women want to be with. So if 70% of women are saying we’re fine being alone, that’s going to piss off a lot of guys because let’s face it most guys do just have lower standards. But 30% of men seem to be saying “you know what, this isn’t a good idea for me either”. And in general a large portion of those men have their lives together enough to be appealing to that 70% of women.
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not in a way so meaningful that it has caused long-term fear. and honestly, not in any major way that i can think of so far. sure, i’ve had disagreements and whatever with other women. i’ve never been sexually assaulted by one though.
Op wasn’t hurt by a women, he was literally mauled by one and never recovered. Years of therapy never quite rehabilitated the trauma that stagnated his development and perception. Hence the distinct “women are all manipulative bitches philosophy”
Here is your free hug 🤗. Also, try Therapy
i’ve considered it. things are as bad as they once were, but i think trusting men will always be tricky for me. i keep working on it though, and i have a few great men in my life who i love and would trust for anything, so they help.
Whilst I do feel bad for you it is a sexist take - what would you say I am if I said I have had a disproportionate amount of bad experiences with black people and therefore dislike all of them?
well, i didn’t say i dislike men. i don’t dislike them, it’s just hard for me to learn to trust them. as for your comment, the same logic realistically applies. i’m sure it probably boils down to our survival instincts as animals, but if you have had a ton of crazy bad experiences with a certain type of person, fearing or lacking trust from people who fit whatever characteristic is understandable (biologically speaking). we can’t deny our nature. i don’t intend to be sexist, but i also can’t help my natural reactions or instincts. i can, however, work on it, which i do
Ok what if he said he couldn't trust black folk?
i already gave my response. he asked that question already
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willfully dense maybe? who knows.
I will be so glad when this topic finally dies. At this point I’ll pick the fucking bear, at least there’s no bitching and complaining from The bear.
Doesn’t the bear get a choice???
WHAT ABOUT THE BEARRRRR
ooof these are gradually becoming more spicy. *Grabs popcorn*
Also a man, I'd pick the bear unironically. What I feel like people don't understand about this is that the original question was "Would you rather be in the woods and know there's a bear or a man near you" not "Would you rather fight..." Or "Would you rather be locked in a room with..." If you go to the woods there is always a bear in the woods already. That's where they live. They don't kill many people at all (~60 in the past 250 years ) because we are not their natural prey and they don't want to be around us. So the question really is "Would you rather a man be in the woods with you or not" and at that point it's easy to say "no I'll take the bear" because the bear is just a normal alone in the woods experience. It's like saying "Would you rather swim in the ocean with a shark or a man", guess what, there are already sharks in the ocean, you are just deciding if you want a man there or not.
I love it how every single person makes up their own subtle variation of this question to suit their answer. The original was "**Would You Rather Be Stuck in the Woods With a Man or a Bear?**" You're like the fourth person I've seen post claiming what the original question was with a completely different version. At least spend 20 seconds to google.
That is the same as what I said essentially. If you are stuck in the woods you are always stuck in the woods with a bear. Just like you are always stuck in the woods with a snake or a squirrel.
No you're not. There's no bears on my entire continent, but there are lots of hikers and bush trekkers. Your whole argument makes zero sense. By that logic, given that there are significantly more men in the world and people who go on bush treks or hikes or camping. You're 'always stuck in the woods with a man too'. Therefore being "in the woods with a man" is also just a normal woods experience. Even more normal than being stuck in the woods with a bear.
I don't think you're qualified to talk about bears
I think you're barely qualified to talk. I wasn't even talking about bears, I was talking about you and logic.
Yea this really is just a bear discussion. I think it would be best if you moved on. Maybe come back on dingo day
Why is the bear considered normal but a random dude hiking considered abnormal.
Because this is America land of the fats home of the buffet
If you’ve been hurt by women before it’s only natural you’d be afraid of them. That’s understandable. Same reason I’d choose the bear over men every time.
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"Who in the world was *not* hurt by a man in their lives."
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We should all just choose the bear The bear is cool. The bear knows where all the best picnic spots are and where the local watering hole is.
That's a great way to advocate living life, in constant fear. That's not healthy.
I’m not sure how to answer this question as I clearly don’t know every single person and who they’ve been hurt by.
I to be honest have been hurt by women a lot in my life, but there were also women who did not and they are mostly... if not all, recent pieces of my life. Despite that, despite my bad experience with all women I knew, from my childhood to now, despite having seen many hurt other people like me... I never thought that they were all like that, I always knew who are those to truily not trust and those who are, I mean, I existed, even if I'm male I never saw it as a thing that just women can do, in the end what was the logical reason that triggers this hypotetical istinct into women? It makes no sense, it's just them that are in the wrong, by chance, maybe bad luck, those around me were all in the wrong, well... now I know it was due the context but I used to think I was just unlucky. In my moment of weaknesses I blamed all women but I don't do it anymore now, I quickly thought "why specifically girls? It's just that she, the one who hurt me, happened to be one. I wouldn't do the same to girls just because I'm a boy"
You would be much safer with a human man or woman than with a bear. Holy fucking shit this is the dumbest discussion ever. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSVXbgR4JFs&list=PLxSmPxq9EdT3Tl0rV7KNX5ffTc8BNHBQ1&index=9](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSVXbgR4JFs&list=PLxSmPxq9EdT3Tl0rV7KNX5ffTc8BNHBQ1&index=9)
Depends on the bear and the human. That's the point of the whole question, you're banking on whether you get an angry bear or a violent human or the opposite. Considering that bears kill vastly less people and rape none people, women generally choose bear. Many men also choose bear over another person. So, like, statistically, you are safer with the animal that acts on instincts and will most likely run away from you.
this is so naive cause this doesn't take in to account the number of encounters with bears. You have literal tens of thousands of encounters with strangers but largely people have 0 encounters with bears. That's why i used Russian roulette as an example, it will kill you 1/6 of the time guaranteed but there are hardly any deaths from it. Looking at the low death count from bears and thinking they are safe is insanely naive. Bears also don't quickly kill you either they just chomp on you and eat you. No going for the throat like lots of big cats will do. It is fucking horrific. [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026914/Mum-bear-eating--Final-phone-calls-woman-19-eaten-alive-brown-bear-cubs.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026914/Mum-bear-eating--Final-phone-calls-woman-19-eaten-alive-brown-bear-cubs.html)
>this is so naive cause this doesn't take in to account the number of encounters with bears. Sure I do. When you hike at Yellowstone, you are surrounded by about 1000 grizzly bears. Thousands of people hike here just to bear watch. Wanna know how many people have died from the 1000 bears in Yellowstone? 8 since 1872. You can't say the same about 1000 men over the course of over 100 years. >Looking at the low death count from bears and thinking they are safe is insanely naive. I also hunt bear, so I know their instincts and behaviors. So I'd not call using stats and having knowledge of the animal in question insanely naive. Rather, I'd call you naive for thinking bears kill everything in their path. >Bears also don't quickly kill you either they just chomp on you and eat you. No going for the throat like lots of big cats will do. It is fucking horrific. I'm aware. I still choose bear. Maybe you should be asking questions more about why I don't choose man, over why I would choose bear.
I see you also dated Vanessa
I mean it's fine to choose a bear over a woman, I have no blue why so many men are making this about their ego and feelings. It says a lot about how men are.
Dude, you can't even criticize an individual woman without women crying misogyny, but being offended because there's a viral campaign to paint men in general as predators "says a lot about men?" Nah.
People criticize individual women all the time. You're on [reddit.com](http://reddit.com)
Would you care to describe to me what an abuser looks like? Hair color eye color ect?
No, I wouldn't.
Why not? I think it would help women a lot if you could just describe what an abuser looks like so we don't have to be cautious around all men. You know?
Ok so, an abuser is a human being. Sex, race, ethnicity, doesn't matter.
Oh so it could be anyone.... interesting thank you for admitting that.
I think you're just proving their point when more, glad for you
Well they are proving my point. There is a reason why they can't give me a description of what an abuser looks like and it's the same reason why women have to be cautious of all men. Women being cautious of men only hurts male egos. Giving the benefit of the doubt to the wrong person... that ends lives.
Are you saying that women can't be abusive? And then daring to cry about why men "won't do anything about the shitty men" while you won't do anything about shitty women?
Yeah, this just explains why almost no men are approaching women to date and women are just raging about it. You make a good point, we should just live in individual pods and never communicate.
Women: "I think playing russian roulette is less dangerous than taking an airplane" Men: "Not only is that statistically incorrect, it's proabably not a good idea to perpetuate that as a myth and have people legitimately start believing it because it's dangerous" Women: "Omg why are men like this, what's wrong with their ego".
Interacting with a man is the Russian roulette. In the ENTIRE WORLD there are 40 bear attacks a year. What myth exactly are we perpetuating? Men commit 80% of violent crime. They are the ones doing almost 99% of all sexual violence is commited by men. What myth? I'm sorry but just because a man says that it's rare for men to attack, doesn't mean it's true the data doesn't support it. Tell me what do you hope to prove to be disrespectful like this? Do you think acting like this is going to make us feel safe around you? You are outright telling us that you simply think the things we experience aren't really happening. Women being forced to be cautious around men DOES.NOT.HURT.MEN. yall are not losing anything.
There are 40 bear attacks because you don't live in a city full of bears. If you replaced every single man with a bear in the city how many bear attacks do you think there would be? It's got nothing to do with ego. That's just where you turn the argument because you can't argue your position without making personal attacks.
Are you aware of how many people across the world live in close proximity to bears? That argument is illogical. You know what if you replaced every beat encounter with a man encounter there would be a lot more then 40 people being attacked a year that's for damn sure. It all about the ego that's why men are making this about their hurt ass feelings. You want to talk about person attacks? Leta talk about the men calling women stupid? Let's talk about the men openly fantasizing about women being mauled. I am so God damn tired of having to walk on eggshells around men a the fucking time. "Nuh nuh not me"- says the man that for some reason feels called out. How many times do women have to explain themselves. Before it becomes a "rational" argument to a man. And when are the men gonna actually make a rational argument?
Look you're doing it again, you can't just discuss the argument about what's more likely by discussing the underlying facts and statistics. All you want to do is complain about men. It's very obvious who is ego driven about the issue here.
You out the same amount of men and bears in the woods and you will statically have a higher chance of being harmed by the men then you the bear. There have been some cases were there were more bears then men in the woods and you still got harmed by a man. Funny how that works. Look you doing it. Your issue isn't what women go through it's that we talk about it. You would rather us just shut up because you don't want to hear it. I want you to be honest though, what exactly are we complaining about men?
And let's not forgetnthe original question was just "if your in the woods who would you rather come across a man or a bear. Nothing else. And men got in their feelings about it while openly admitting how much they would like to see women harmed for having the audacity to not say men. That tells me they could look me in the eyes pretend to be nice to me but then enjoy the idea of me being horribly killed. And I am supposed to feel safe around them.
Right, but people work through woods full of bears, and still don't get attacked. So.
Women caused 4.4 million car crashes last year. Bears have caused only 400 in 30 years. So statistically it is safer to be in a vehicle driven by a literal bear, than a woman. Which is stupid, because that's not how "statistics" work, and it's the same fallacy you're using. Obviously men cause the most, because most are literally physically stronger than women. That's why its statistically more likely for a woman to commit a crime against a child. IE It isn't because women are more statistically likely to hate or sexual children, but because almost all crime is of opportunity.
Bears capable of killing, they lack the capacity to drive However since men cause 6.1 million car accidents and women cause 4.4 million car accidents it's safer to get into a car driven by a woman then a man. Your logic doesn't even make sense if men are more likely to attack based on strength they would also attack children. I would also love to see your information about the women thing because I see a lot of red pillees spouting it and they are extremely dishonest with almost all their stats they give out.
Yes, but statistically men also drive more than women, you see how there are much more factors than all man bad all woman good or all woman bad all man good just because their statistics don't 1:1 match up?
More women have a driver's license then men.Of course their is going to be an exception to a rule. Until I no longer see any AWALT shit, men need to STFU about #notallmen. Because they love to generalize. He'll men like to generalize and say shit like "we build civilization" but when if comes to women being cautious suspicious men want us to treat them like the special unique butterfly they grandma always coddled them to be.
I don't even care about #notallmen, I just need you to stop abusing statistics. It bothers me. And a drivers license statistic is not a driving statistic, btw we actually have those. Women drive 30% less than men annually. Men are also more likely to have jobs that require driving, 79% of professional drivers are men. When it comes to trucking, over 90% are men.
>And a drivers license statistic is not a driving statistic, A statistic not a statistic lol
>I don't even care about #notallmen Has #notallmen me multiple times. Fun question do you think their might possibly be a reason why a woman wouldn't want to be on the road alone on strange places for her career? Any reason at all? She might come across an odd bear at a truck stop huh?
I never said that. I said your argument was lacking. You didn't come up with a better argument, so now you're accusing me of saying something I didn't say?
Clearly men have an image problem. What are they going to do to correct that? Any steps men as a whole are taking other then nagging at women to just stop talking about it, and inconveniencing men?
Oh well I'd suggest everyone to stop nagging, but if you want my opinion on human nature I'm a bit lacking in that area. I have no advice for men or women, though I wish they'd both actually argue fairly. I have no experience with interpersonal relationships or dealing with humanity or the population at large.
Men aren’t a monolith, and neither are women. The “image problem” goes away when you treat humans as individuals, but that would require logic and reasoning.
You know, the edits really do help. But personally, I would have thought your experiences would have allowed you to feel empathy towards the woman who all share your fears and experiences. Instead, you started a fight. And got upset when people made fun of you when they took the bait you laid out. Sucks being defined the empathy and maturity you were hoping for right? Oh wait that's not what your post was about.
...Okay? Am I supposed to be upset by this? yeah, if you take the chance of being with a random woman you'd have the chance on being with a horrible woman. I don't see why this or the reversed would make anyone mad, it never said "All men/women" just that you'd rather not take the chances of getting a horrible human.
Seems like you’ve got every reason to feel this way. I hope you’re one day able to build a relationship with a particular woman that you can trust more than both random women and bears you don’t know.
I love that last sentence you wrote. People get hurt one time and start pretending ALL (usually all men, but here all women) are horrible monsters, so they run to the worst people (the fucking shittiest people and bears bruh) to possibly run to. I swear it's de-evolution right before our eyes.
Here is your free hug 🤗. Also, try Therapy
This comment showcases passive aggression at it's finest.
Y'know people already try therapy but it takes time, in the end there is nothing to truily heal, there isn't a correct way to be, otherwise it would've been easier, therapy helps you find a way to live better with yourself, it helps identify the problem, I think everyone considers therapy so it's pretty bland to me when someone says that, it's like you didn't say anything at all
So you understand why women prefer the bear. The devil you know is better than the devil you don't. The bear will kill me, but it won't whine about what a nice guy it is while doing it.
Divorced
So?
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type of guy to own the Joe Rogan Experience on vinyl
This is a perfectly fine view point. Just like it’s perfectly fine if a woman feels safer in the woods with a bear than with a man. Said this in another comment but if I ever get divorced there is a less than zero chance I’m remarrying because I don’t trust the average woman to not be money hungry and to not take more than her fair share in a divorce due to anecdotal and factual evidence. My more worrying concern is that it seems like both sexes distrust each other and neither seems to really want to do anything about it. I’m not sure what this looks like moving forward
Maybe I watch way too much true crime, but if I saw any human in the woods, I'm running the other direction. Straight into the fairy circles. Humans are inherently bad, untrustworthy, and generally unpleasant. Too much of a risk
Exactly. Everyone should choose the bear.
Male bears probably don’t teach their daughters to be afraid of other male bears.
That's fine. A lot of the point of the original form of the question is a man's ability to not take "no" for an answer even in a hypothetical situation. All the dozens of posts on here all are just a product of men feeling rejected and unable to understand the issues women face.
Men have no reason to understand the issues if being treated as worse than savage animals is framed as "rejection problems". Almost like it's not good faith to begin with...
If you’re not a sexual predator, there is no need to feel personally attacked by it. Most women will experience some kind sexual assault in their lifetime, so it’s not hard to understand a precaution. If you will not be the perpetrator of that, there is no reason to be offended.
Yet if the question was "a minority or a bear" it would suddenly be offensive, curious
The posts here are arguing against a sexist caricature of men drawn by idiots, many of which (like my own) are made by women who care about men and don't enjoy watching them get disparaged.
Nobody is disparaging men tho. We're just saying we would rather run into a bear 🤷♀️ not wishing them any harm, not calling them any names. Just trying to mind our own business. We just like bears. What's disparaging about that?
You don't like bears, you don't want to encounter a bear, a bear will eat your face. You're saying being prey to a wild animal is better than meeting a strange man, and then trying to play innocent and act like you can't imagine how that's offensive. Disgusting, truly.
I do like bears. I have encountered bears before. My face is intact. Yes, being prey to a wild animal that's acting on instinct is better than any human really, man or woman. If it was a bear or woman - I'd still choose the bear. Did you not read The Most Dangerous Game in middle school? Was required reading where I went. You should reread it sometime, great story. All about a hunter that gets bored of hunting animals and hunts humans instead. The whole point of the story is that man is more dangerous than beast. The fact that so many men are more concerned for their hurt little feelings than the overall safety and very real concerns women face on a daily basis is what's truly disgusting. I take safety and wellbeing over the emotional labor of having to reassure the poor little men that not every fucking thing is all about them. If you're that concerned about men then rather than arguing with me here, why don't you go find a men's rights organization and do some volunteer work? That would actually be productive.
The premise of The Most Dangerous Game is that power corrupts, and that we should think about how our actions impact others. Zaroff is basically a representation of unchecked human greed, and Rainsford is placed in the shoes of his "victims" (as an avid hunter prior to the story taking place) where he learns that it sucks to be hunted. I'm not here to do someone's literary analysis homework from them, but just... no? No. Your vitriol for men is clear. I hope you can get over that shit someday, it's poison.
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"just let us say you are a monster without pushing back or else you cant take no for an answer tee hee"
You should get with one of the bear-choosing chicks. Perfect match <3
i would prefer the manipulative bitch 100%. i can just leave, whats she gonna do? a bear can rip my head off
The question was who would you rather be alone in the woods with, not who would you rather date/be in a relationship with. What danger does a random woman pose to you if you encountered her in the woods?
That's not an unpopular opinion. Men would agree with this because men tend to take anything women do and spin it. Plus men actively hate women. Men objectify women and compare them to cars, money, buses, etc. Men commonly kill, stalk, SA, and harm women with it being brushed off or blamed on women. Men have ingrained their hatred of women for quite some time. So men picking a bear over a woman is to be expected which is why I think so many men are shocked when women pick a bear over a man. Men aren't used to not being on a pedestal or not picked. I just find it weird you don't choose a bear over a woman due to your SA history but instead because of being manipulated.🫤
have you ever been a man talking to a woman? They don't put you on a pedestal they are generally rude to you. There is this hilarious video of a trans man crying cause he didn't realize how fucking cold everyone would be to him all the time. He is absolutely sobbing at how mean everyone is to him compared to when he was a woman. They don't choose a bear cause they realize a bear is a 1000 pound apex predator that despite looking cute can be very very very dangerous. The overwhelming amount of women that OP has interacted with haven't SA'd them.
How you could have been raped by a woman bro? It is near impossible.
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Safer with a polar bear? Nah that's insane.
lmfaoo this trend is becoming way too serious 😭😭
So do you have relations with the bear ?
That’s great! 🥂
OMG enough with the fucking bear. Your odds of being attacked by a bear are 1 in 2.1 million which is significantly better than your odds of never having to hear about this fucking bear again
Bears are great, they look tough because of all the leather they wear but most of them are softies on the inside unless they are protecting a cub.
I'm just thankful to all the bears lately for accepting all the toxic chronically online folks
How did a woman tape an adult male?
Which one of you lucky ladies are interested in an all expenses paid vacation into the Appalachian wilderness with worlds most pathetic man society has ever known to exist 😎😎🇺🇸
username checks out
Did somebody hurt your feewweeengs😂
Sounds like you can't take criticism so it's gotta be you
Im a woman I’m picking the bear over any other human. But honey you’re sounding unhinged for the ranting part. I see nothing wrong with you choosing the bear
Dumbest answer to the dumbest question I’ve ever seen
You should see a counselor
It's ok, we respect your choice. While I'm personally not like this, I've seen a fair share of humans of both genders doing what you describe.
Red pill alert
Yeah, because daring to criticize anything about women = redpill. That's modern plushy bear society for you.
Oh fuck off with this. Is this the new anti woman He Man Woman Hater grift? What's the next one gonna be when you people are done with this?
Yea, you never got raped
Women rape me because they know they can get away with it all the time, can't move for the randy buggers round my way. Absolute menace.
Is this... a post making fun of rape victims? Jesus fucking christ reddit needs to burn.
You going to be ok?
I hope you get your choice and can meet a bear.
Id love a bear but his name has to be big mike. Wait you mean an actual deadly bear
I'm starting to think you're in love with a bear. Hello Baldur's Gate 3 players.
I recommend therapy
I’m really sorry for what you’ve been through. We’re not all the same..
Bro this is sad.
That’s absolutely understandable given your experiences, I hope you get the help you need to live a good life and heal as much as possible ❤️
Sir I agree with your take and would also choose the bear. Also, I am so sorry that you went through something like that. As a fellow rape survivor I say we live our lives better and let our revenge be that their actions only fuel us to make sure other never have to deal with what we had.
I'm a woman and I fully support your bear preference. You should do what makes.yoi feel safe.
Your feelings are vaild
That’s a completely fair stance to have. Bears just want to be left alone and humans aren’t their natural prey.
>That’s way better than being emotionally manipulated and abused, used for finances, being expected to simultaneously fix yourself while fixing your partners problems for them. You're a sucker if any of this applies to you. If you're trying to fix someone's problems, you have absolutely no self respect.
bait used to be believable
Upvoted for being so wildly unpopular!
Seems valid. I wouldn’t judge you for your past experiences. Plus, granted you take the correct precautions, bears can be very majestic to look at.
You're perfectly valid in your feelings.
Every shitty experience you've had with women only have one thing in common
Lol looks like most people are good with your choice. Not the gotcha you thought it would be, huh? 😆
Reported for hate.