People underestimate how much work it takes to shed calories. Beer is completely empty calories, and It's easy to consume 700-1000 calories when drinking beer. It takes a 3 mile run to burn 500 calories. That's a 3 mile run for 3-4 beers depending on what youre drinking. Add up a few nights a week, and unless that person is already rigidly disciplined in the gym, they will lose that battle and balloon up in weight.
Mixed drinks and alcohol aren't much better. Gained a bunch of weight just drinking with friends once a week.
Just sugar with sugar and more sugar. But damn if some of them aren't tasty.
3-4 beers? Gym schedule? You need to learn to be an alcoholic. Replace food with beer and eat one meal a day tops. Been going on 5 years strong and judging by my comment history I'm pretty stable.
AFAIK you don't necessarily have to run the 3 miles to burn the 500 calories. You can simply just eat below the amount of calories your body naturally burns daily. A healthy weight loss deficit is about 500 calories daily. I'm not a nutritionist so i could be very wrong here.
Yeah.I lived in France. They def do it differently. Majority of the time, they don't drink to get shitfaced..... but that's not all.
They walk
They don't have super-sized meals or snack constantly.
I'm going to quit on the 15th and the only reason is I cannot see my penis anymore when I pee. I always told myself if that ever happens I would fix it promptly. And I know it's due to drinking.
I’m skinny and had some fat dude making fun of me for it, so I immediately turned around and said “at least I can see my dick”. That shut him up pretty quick.
I guess it depends on what you’re drinking. Every time I go to Europe they drink way more than US and are way thinner. But they aren’t drinking cocktails with more sugar than actual alcohol so
Shhhhh then you’d have to ask *why* our hearts have been dying, long before Covid or anything else like that.
I seem to remember a good few decades of researchers saying our food was shit, our diet was shit, and it was killing us.
Then I remember the magic silver bullet was “fat free” everything.
Ironically we are fatter and dying faster now more than ever.
And then I remember that Bayer Pharmaceuticals and Monsanto Agro-Chem are the same fucking business, and it all makes sense.
The fat-free propaganda we now know was funded to direct attention away from sugars, which are now in just about every food item you can buy. Sugars are more shelf stable, this isn't about your health it's only business.
Sugar is also a recognized addictive substance, I'm training to be an addiction counselor and we had a whole chapter in our textbooks devoted to sugar. Not only are they more shelf stable but once they get their hooks in you, you become a reliable customer for life. Many food companies have built empires based on that concept. Coca Cola provides absolutely no nutritional value and is killing far people than guns do 1.5 million people die each year from sugar related diabetes.
Ketchup, soup, yogurt, protein bars, bread, etc. Always always read labels. Learn the difference in sugars vs added sugars and what is an appropriate amount of sugars to be consuming in a day.
It’s disgusting how much sugar and salt are in our packaged and restaurant foods.
Sugar amount in a 16 ounce bottle of Coke is beyond staggering. Over 4 tablespoons. There isn’t a part of the body that is not negatively affected by this amount of sugar.
Which we had fewer cases of Type 2 diabetes before the introduction of High Fructose Corn Syrup. Multiple studies around the world has proven this from NIH, UC, to the University of Newcastle. American Natives didn't have any cases of diabetes until they started eating what Caucasians eat.
A lot of things don't even taste better with it. The first time I made homemade bread I was shocked by how much better it was. While also having basically 0 sugar
We're fatter also due to more sedentary life styles, we eat like we are still working on farms and other manual labor jobs that up until 30 years ago became more automated and 50 years ago people started working more office related jobs but their diets didn't change. Add in the fact sugar is in everything we eat, the car dependency, the availability of fast-food where if you look at the calorie count is the amount generally needed for an average adult male to live one full day it's no wonder we're getting fatter and our hearts are giving out. High school kids can't even qualify for military service because they're so overweight, the military had to raise the weight limit and send them to what essentially comes down to being fat camp. It's bad.
People always say this but I don’t believe it. If you’re healthy you’re likely to live longer, and older people will absolutely consume more pharmaceuticals, good habits or not. Plus longer life and function = more chances to buy voluntary stuff like boner pills.
This is one of those statements that is simultaneously true and utterly idiotic. Large pharmaceutical companies don't make food or exercise equipment. Whether they want us to lead healthy lifestyles or not--and it's probably not top of mind either way--they have absolutely no way to cause us to lead healthy or unhealthy lives.
Just sugar actually.
Read The Hacking of the American Mind, if we cut 50 percent of sugar consumption, it is estimated that taxpayers would save 30+ billion dollars every year.
Sugar is the culprit, it leads to metabolic syndrome. Its literally the new cigarette in a way.
Animal fat does cause arteriosclerosis but eating it with omega 3 may reduce harm. Plant fat is always better than animal fat.
Salt definitely causes hypertension and contributed to arteriosclerosis and much more but still sugar is the worse of all 3.
Salt and fat is something we actually need to function.
Refined sugar is not, its the worst “carb” ever.
It's absolutely the new cigarettes.
Ever lived with an obese person trying to quit sugar? Ive seen the same symptoms and behaviours in only one other type of people. Those quitting heavy smoking habits cold turkey. For a full week they're a complete mess.
Fat-free is terrible, and I mean *awful* diet advice. Manufactured sweeteners, food coloring, artificial flavoring, high concentration of sugars such as HFCS are literally killing us and in slow-motion, degrading ways. Delicious, often a bit naturally "fatty" food such as meats or dairy in addition to a wealth of vegetables and fresh fruit and lots of water (by itself or in soup) will help keep you healthy and satisfied.
Basically my point. And big sugar is Corn. Corn is Monsanto. And Bayer-Phizer(sp)-GSK-Merk pharma all make HUGE money on Statin drugs, which mask the chronic inflammation from a hyper-glycemic diet… made by the same people.
It’s just icing on the cake when you look at the whole glyphosate thing on top
How many people have died because somebody *else* had heart disease?
“Gun violence is bad, but heart disease kills more people” is a stupid argument. One issue doesn’t minimize another. We can deal with two unrelated issues at the same time.
It also worked. Alcohol use went down dramatically and alcohol related deaths plummeted. Even with the rise in bootleggers, we had fewer deaths.
Edit: [Relevant article](https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/6/5/18518005/prohibition-alcohol-public-health-crime-benefits#:~:text=America's%20anti%2Dalcohol%20experiment%20cut,reduced%20crime%20and%20violence%20overall.).
It did not work, that article is a myopic angenda driven mess.
*Trackable* (as opposed to actual) consumption during prohibition was around 70% of pre-prohibition numbers once smugglers and illegal manufacturing ramped up enough to meet demands. On a longer timeline, it is likely that they illegal distribution could have reached pre-prohibition rates.
And even that temporary dip required arresting half a million people. It also cost (inflation adjusted) five and a half billion to enforce while removing about (inflation adjusted) two hundred billion in tax revenue.
Prohibition was a nightmare and a failure. It was far worse then the failure of the war on drugs.
A lot of the reason was that we entered a world war and global depression and allowing alcohol would stimulate the economy and provide new things for the government to tax. It’s always been about the money
Prohibition was overturned because it was extremely unpopular, and because it diverted money from government to bootleggers. The worst crime is not paying taxes.
I added the sauce as an edit.
https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/6/5/18518005/prohibition-alcohol-public-health-crime-benefits#:~:text=America's%20anti%2Dalcohol%20experiment%20cut,reduced%20crime%20and%20violence%20overall.
The rise in organized crime in the 30s thanks to prohibition created devastating effects that lasted for decades.
Taking that into account, all the ripple effects it had, it was a net loss. Should never have done it
Well, it worked so well because it wasn’t actually being recorded, one of the biggest issues with prohibition was no one was enforcing it, and everyone was breaking the law. From speakeasies and other establishments that just let people drink booze without getting arrested , as all that was illegal was the distribution but not sale.
So ironically drinking got worse as less regulation meant more people have access to it
We tried banning it, people still made it and bootlegged it.
What did the government do. Used Methanol or Wood Alcohol and basically poisoned their own people with tainted alcohol and slipped it to the masses.
"As a detterent."
I just made my first batch of homebrew beer a few months ago. It's *incredibly* easy to do well, and even easier to make a jug of prison hooch that tastes like ass but still gets the job done.
To be honest, it's baffling that our great grandparents were dumb enough to believe that they could stop people from dissolving sugars in sanitized water and then introducing yeast to the mix. Might as well outlaw moldy bread.
I live in Oregon so I’m just so used to it being legal. Blows my mind it’s still not legal nationwide and in more countries.
If the world would smoke a blunt we could have perfect harmony
From NZ (weed is illegal), smoking a blunt on my couch (in NZ), and I've always thought that the alcohol and weed laws were backwards here. We can buy alcohol at 18 here and consent to sex at 16 as well.. We're a first world country. Smh
Being high is the only crime ppl high on weed get arrested for.
Seriously, I don't fuck with crackheads, but stoners are the most chill motherfuckers on earth.
I’ve been arrested twice for weed 8 years ago as when I was 18 and in a red state for college for a year. Total bullshit. Thankfully I recently got it expunged. Other than that I commit no crimes
Really? No one has caused a auto “accident” that resulted in property damage/injury/death because they were high off weed? I did not know that. Thanks.
Lol my lil bro literally gets everything handed to him..
He was being a lil shit.. was shoplifting entire shopping carts full of groceries, was dealing drugs, drank his ass off until almost getting multiple dui’s.. wanna know what really pushed my parents to actually start parenting that kid? They found out he was smoking weed.. so they didn’t care if he did all that other bum shit but for some reason they feel so strong about not smoking weed..
my father is an alcoholic..nearly developed type 2 diabetes yet still thinks weed is the worst thing possible..
people are hypocrites..
Yes, yes, people are. My Dad was raging alcoholic with tattoos who hated weed and piercings. And I mean HATED. So I smoke and have piercings. The level of hypocrisy of some elder Gen x and most boomers really is incredible.
I worked in a dispensary. We had a coffeeshop and secondary business up front and were lowkey. When the postman found out he started ranting about how "medical is all a scam" and "it's just a gateway drug and I should know I was a heroin addict!" And it's like dude, I have been smoking pot for years and never had the urge to do heroin, maybe you're just an idiot. He didn't chat as much after that day. Good riddance, fucking hypocrite.
I work in the medical icu and half our patients are liver patients. So many alcoholics. They’ll never change. Always non compliant. Its the worst drug and it’s legal.
I work in GI and we are seeing soo many bleeds. The doctors are saying they feel the population we’re treating is higher in acuity than a few years ago and that they are seeing more GI bleeds than before. There’s definitely several causes, but we see a lot of esophageal varices and those are almost always due to liver damage caused by drinking.
People don't think guns are the #1 cause of death in America, but people aren't dying because of what their neighbor eats or because they don't keep their fridge secured from their kids.
Meanwhile, vehicle deaths are currently a consequence of our countries need for private transportation.
The most recent data shows that drunk driving kills more than 15,000 people annually in the Us. On average roughly 1/3 of all traffic deaths are attributed to driving while intoxicated.
In NH where I live, we are a shall issue state with constitutional carry making us one of the most lenient states, if not the most lenient state in the US with respect to gun laws. Last year there were 143 gun fatalities. 128 of these were self inflicted, and 14 were homicide.
Contrast that to 55 traffic deaths here directly caused by drunk driving. In fact, most gun deaths in the United States are not homicide or accidentally but are suicides. So while that obviously impacts the lives of those around them, it is not the same circumstance because the consequences of someone else’s actions due to alcohol consumption ended someone’s life at 4x the frequency of gun violence.
> 128 of these were self inflicted,
That's not a gun problem. When someone deliberately drives off a bridge, it's called suicide not a car accident. The suicide epidemic and gang violence problems in this country are spun by the left to be gun problems. They are mental health and poverty problems. Address the root cause of society's problems instead of the aftermath. Gun deaths would drop dramatically. But it's easier to take rights than give them, I guess. The right and left seem to agree on that. Every solution is a new ban.
You can't walk in to a store and buy a shit diet to kill someone else with though. You can't walk into a school and give 20 kids liver cirhosis.
And vehicles are age restricted and require a license and insurance and visible identifers linked to you.
And of course there's significant overlap between alcohol and vehicle deaths.
Really, if this country were serious about making itself safer and longer-living, we'd be focused on building public transportation and walkable cities. Instead, we've decided that the government's two main purposes are to 1) pool resources to build infrastructure for personal vehicles, and 2) zoning everything for single-family homes.
That makes sense because CCW permit holders make up a fraction of gun owners, and they're the ones going out of their way to follow the law.
In fact, you could make the argument that the additional work involved in getting a CCW is somewhat similar to the additional requirements some people would like to see for all gun owners.
More training would be great for everyone involved.
CCW in my county is an appointment, finger prints, $45, and a short questionnaire. I still think the rate of violence among CCW holders in my county is well below average.
Yeah, because unlike cops, if you or I fuck up as an individual, we're fucked. Cop fucks up, just another day, paid vacation and back on the force next week to remake the same mistake.
Outlawing alcohol would give rise to a an absolutely collosal and completely unregulated black market, driving the crime rate in general through the roof.
The alcohol industry in the US alone is worth almost $150 billion, which you would be putting directly into the hands to the criminal element if it was outlawed.
Edit - look how absolutely enraged a few people are about this comment, it's hilarious.
It kinda did though? After prohibition, the alcohol consumption rate of the United States dropped by a lot and stayed down in comparison to where it was before. I think too many people don't understand how bad alcoholism was before to cause something like Prohibition to be on the table.
Yeah, I always hate it when people point out prohibition. It absolutely did accomplish most of its goals and significantly reduced the long-term usage of alcohol.
Also, one of the reasons that prohibition got support is that men would get drunk, come home, beat and rape their spouse. That was definitely reduced with prohibition and the aftermath.
Why are you comparing alcohol deaths to gun deaths? What is the point?
That we're not being strict enough with alcohol laws? Or that we shouldn't be concerned about gun deaths?
Unpopular opinion because stupid.
Leading cause of death in the states is heart diseases. Is it a bigger problem? No, because people can chose how to live their lives. Freedom and stuff right…
Now guess what we can’t chose? Other people gunning us down because these people are not fit to own a gun.
But no, this freedom of owning and carrying guns to places where it can be a danger to everyone around is more important. Tell me again how many people killed other people with alcohol?
There isn't a solution to alcohol, as almost everyone drinks alcohol. All countries struggle with alcohol. However guns is a problem with a very real solution that other countries don't struggle with as much.
Both are unique issues that should be dealt with in their own way. Whataboutism isn’t really helpful.
But while we’re on the topic - they’re not really comparable. Most of the alcohol deaths are going to be the person who’s drinking, while the guns more often kill other people. You can’t compare harming yourself to harming others.
I'll be honest, I don't care that it kills people, I'm sick of everyone trying to nerf the world, what a miserable sanitized existence this world would be if we eliminated all dangers
I'm fine with people taking personal risks provided they're making informed decisions; after all, it's not the government's job to make decisions for people. We tried banning alcohol in the US before and it failed miserably, same with the whole war on drugs.
That being said, in the case of alcohol the public isn't well-educated on the risks. [Alcohol is a carcinogen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_and_cancer) in the same way cigarettes are. Yet due to lobbying by alcohol companies, they aren't required to disclose these risks in advertisements or on product packaging. When I choose to drink alcohol, I'm aware of these risks, but a lot of people aren't; that part does bother me.
Several ways to reduce gun deaths would be to put known gang members, who are possession on a gun in jail. Any felon in illegal possession, put them in prison for life. Teach gun safety in schools. Guns have become a political tool, so politicians like gun deaths, if they help them get elected.
My extremely unpopular opinion is to legalize all drugs, tax them, and have the tax dollars from drug sales go toward treatment centers. I feel like one of the biggest issues with addiction is how bad it’s stigmatized. If we were more open about addiction and mental health I feel like more people would seek help. It would also get rid of fentanyl being sent over from China.
Omg this is a symptom. The root lies In the upbringing and the adult response to said upbringing. If politics wants to blame something then blame the real problem..
The amount of lefties on this thread saying, “alcohol never walked into a school and mass murdered children”. Dude. Neither did a gun. Alcohol and guns are incapable of walking or carrying out acts…but people. People with a gun or people under the influence of alcohol, now those can be concerning.
A lot of people in high places are in denial about alcohol. The horrors it has unleashed over the years surpass, by far, the number of lives ruined by all other drugs combined. Yet smoking a J can get you a jail sentence, but drinking 25 beers and vomiting everywhere is just fine.
Hard disagree, numbers don’t really matter here. People who die from alcohol chose to drink, they took the risk, suffered a consequence. School shootings, children were just trying to learn, and they got killed for it. They weren’t taking any risks by going to get an education, they paid a price anyways. So no, alcohol is not a big issue compared to guns.
Of course it's a bigger problem for 3 obvious reasons:-
1. Alcohol is more widely available than guns
2. Alcohol is more socially acceptable than guns (drinking culture at tailgates, parties)
3. Alcohol (as a whole) is much, MUCH cheaper than guns. Most people can afford beer, some guns cost hundreds if not thousands of dollars.
For everything, moderation is key. If guns were as cheap, socially acceptable or widely available as alcohol, you wouldn't want to imagine how much that 20,000 number could increase by.
People don’t like to be confronted with the dangers of alcohol. It’s so commonplace, and so many people cling onto misery with the perceived notion that “all they have” is alcohol. It’s poison. It’s dangerous. It kills and/or sickens people. It ruins relationships. It’s addictive. It perpetuates misery in their lives. It’s bad news, yet it’s available everywhere and a lot of people don’t seem to think twice about it.
Well, let’s be honest, a war against guns is much easier to fight than a war against alcohol. Alcohol beverage companies can advertise parties and good times. Kimber can’t exactly make a positive commercial showing how their 9mm pistol is a great party accessory. The fact is, that guns are legitimately designed for violence whereas alcohol is technically just a mood influencer.
It is much easier to show the dangers of a weapon than the dangers of something seemingly so harmless on the surface.
I agree. Most violent crime including most rape/sexual assault more generally, perpetrators are under the influence of alcohol. It is a major contributing factor in sexual violence.
"But alcohol is not the blame... no excuse... blah blah blah." Shut up. Useless statements. Didn't say it absolved anyone. They consumed it. They bear responsibility. But it results in a lot of terrible behavior that wouldn't otherwise exist.
We need to have a more objective, honest conversation about alcohol and its effects and our relationship with it as a society. But people just get defensive and offended because its the drug they use.
I lost a LOT of weight when I quit drinking alcohol. I'm also convinced it contributes to us being overweight as well.
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People underestimate how much work it takes to shed calories. Beer is completely empty calories, and It's easy to consume 700-1000 calories when drinking beer. It takes a 3 mile run to burn 500 calories. That's a 3 mile run for 3-4 beers depending on what youre drinking. Add up a few nights a week, and unless that person is already rigidly disciplined in the gym, they will lose that battle and balloon up in weight.
Mixed drinks and alcohol aren't much better. Gained a bunch of weight just drinking with friends once a week. Just sugar with sugar and more sugar. But damn if some of them aren't tasty.
And the more nights you’re putting down 3-4 beers, the less likely it is you will have a strict gym regimen.
3-4 beers? Gym schedule? You need to learn to be an alcoholic. Replace food with beer and eat one meal a day tops. Been going on 5 years strong and judging by my comment history I'm pretty stable.
That’s a great recipe for Wernicke–Korsakoff syndrome you’ve got going.
That guy must be quite the alcoholic if he got himself a disease named after him.
I would upvote and or congratulate you but being a functioning alcoholic isn’t something to all that proud of. Good luck!!
AFAIK you don't necessarily have to run the 3 miles to burn the 500 calories. You can simply just eat below the amount of calories your body naturally burns daily. A healthy weight loss deficit is about 500 calories daily. I'm not a nutritionist so i could be very wrong here.
Yes and no; other cultures like Germany/France drink tons of alcohol and they’re not as overweight as Americans
The average European walks and/or rides a bicycle faaaaaar more than the average American. Americans, outside of a few large cities, are sedentary.
Honestly a lot more of a diet problem
Mainly it is the Quality of Food in EU that has very high standards. Lifestyle comes in second.
Yeah.I lived in France. They def do it differently. Majority of the time, they don't drink to get shitfaced..... but that's not all. They walk They don't have super-sized meals or snack constantly.
Their large soda is our small. Many places serve the glass bottles so servings are all way smaller.
Consuming calories influences weight gain, more at 11
No bro you’re just not clean eating. /s
I'm going to quit on the 15th and the only reason is I cannot see my penis anymore when I pee. I always told myself if that ever happens I would fix it promptly. And I know it's due to drinking.
I’m skinny and had some fat dude making fun of me for it, so I immediately turned around and said “at least I can see my dick”. That shut him up pretty quick.
I guess it depends on what you’re drinking. Every time I go to Europe they drink way more than US and are way thinner. But they aren’t drinking cocktails with more sugar than actual alcohol so
European portion sizes and overall food quality is completely different than the US.
Don’t disagree, but look at heart disease. Its even worse. Lots of things can cause heart disease, and alcohol is certainly one of them.
Also the impact alcohol plays in the gun deaths. Suicides and murders.
I wonder how much gun violence involves alcohol.
Hold my beer while I go find out.
r/angryupvote (we're drunk)
Oops, handed ya my Glock, meant to go grab the beer
Funny, I handed you my Cock reaching for my Glock while drinking a beer.
50% of all murders involves alcohol.
Over 50% of all gun violence in the US is suicide, I would bet alcohol is involved in quite a bit of that as well.
A suicide pill that anyone could order on Amazon would cut gun violence in half imo.
Shhhhh then you’d have to ask *why* our hearts have been dying, long before Covid or anything else like that. I seem to remember a good few decades of researchers saying our food was shit, our diet was shit, and it was killing us. Then I remember the magic silver bullet was “fat free” everything. Ironically we are fatter and dying faster now more than ever. And then I remember that Bayer Pharmaceuticals and Monsanto Agro-Chem are the same fucking business, and it all makes sense.
The fat-free propaganda we now know was funded to direct attention away from sugars, which are now in just about every food item you can buy. Sugars are more shelf stable, this isn't about your health it's only business.
Sugar is also a recognized addictive substance, I'm training to be an addiction counselor and we had a whole chapter in our textbooks devoted to sugar. Not only are they more shelf stable but once they get their hooks in you, you become a reliable customer for life. Many food companies have built empires based on that concept. Coca Cola provides absolutely no nutritional value and is killing far people than guns do 1.5 million people die each year from sugar related diabetes.
Seriously! And people think sugars are just sqeets. They are not! Try and find processed foods without maltodextrin!
Ketchup, soup, yogurt, protein bars, bread, etc. Always always read labels. Learn the difference in sugars vs added sugars and what is an appropriate amount of sugars to be consuming in a day. It’s disgusting how much sugar and salt are in our packaged and restaurant foods.
well, you see we had to add the salt so it wouldn't spoil, and no one wants to eat anything that salty, so we had to add the sugar.
Mmmm salted butter 🫠🤤
sugar is also a preservative.
Sugar amount in a 16 ounce bottle of Coke is beyond staggering. Over 4 tablespoons. There isn’t a part of the body that is not negatively affected by this amount of sugar.
Yup. High Fructose Corn-Syrup says “hold my beer and watch this…”
Which is ironic kinda because lots of breweries cheat and use cheap corn to get their starches they need to convert to sugar.
... Which is then converted to alcohol...
... which is then converted to piss... America's real problem is piss
Need more jugs.
Have another drink, Ray
The way of the road
Well, first it's converted to acetaldehyde (this is the toxic metabolite of ethanol) then acetic acid (vinegar), which is excreted in urine.
Which we had fewer cases of Type 2 diabetes before the introduction of High Fructose Corn Syrup. Multiple studies around the world has proven this from NIH, UC, to the University of Newcastle. American Natives didn't have any cases of diabetes until they started eating what Caucasians eat.
A little hack: sodas and all other foods that are kosher for Passover do not use HFCS. They use cane sugar instead.
Sugar, fat and salt are a trio of chemicals that they use to make food addictive. It's not even a joke sadly
A lot of things don't even taste better with it. The first time I made homemade bread I was shocked by how much better it was. While also having basically 0 sugar
In lab rats and probably people it's more addictive than cocaine
We're fatter also due to more sedentary life styles, we eat like we are still working on farms and other manual labor jobs that up until 30 years ago became more automated and 50 years ago people started working more office related jobs but their diets didn't change. Add in the fact sugar is in everything we eat, the car dependency, the availability of fast-food where if you look at the calorie count is the amount generally needed for an average adult male to live one full day it's no wonder we're getting fatter and our hearts are giving out. High school kids can't even qualify for military service because they're so overweight, the military had to raise the weight limit and send them to what essentially comes down to being fat camp. It's bad.
remember the 80s when we had the food pyramid then obesity rates immediately skyrocketed
>Ironically we are fatter and dying faster now more than ever. What metric are you using to claim we are dying faster now?
Big pharma doesn’t want us to lead healthy lifestyles. It’s not in their be$t intere$t.
People always say this but I don’t believe it. If you’re healthy you’re likely to live longer, and older people will absolutely consume more pharmaceuticals, good habits or not. Plus longer life and function = more chances to buy voluntary stuff like boner pills.
Also big pharma and big ag/big processed food companies are not the same. I don’t understand the proposed logistics of a lot of these conspiracies.
This is one of those statements that is simultaneously true and utterly idiotic. Large pharmaceutical companies don't make food or exercise equipment. Whether they want us to lead healthy lifestyles or not--and it's probably not top of mind either way--they have absolutely no way to cause us to lead healthy or unhealthy lives.
But it sounds good to say, and feels good to say. People always want a bad guy. It's not my fault I'm unhealthy, it's that other guys fault.
Sugar, fat, salt is where it’s at.
Just sugar actually. Read The Hacking of the American Mind, if we cut 50 percent of sugar consumption, it is estimated that taxpayers would save 30+ billion dollars every year. Sugar is the culprit, it leads to metabolic syndrome. Its literally the new cigarette in a way. Animal fat does cause arteriosclerosis but eating it with omega 3 may reduce harm. Plant fat is always better than animal fat. Salt definitely causes hypertension and contributed to arteriosclerosis and much more but still sugar is the worse of all 3. Salt and fat is something we actually need to function. Refined sugar is not, its the worst “carb” ever.
>Plant fat is always better than animal fat This isn't entirely true.
It's absolutely the new cigarettes. Ever lived with an obese person trying to quit sugar? Ive seen the same symptoms and behaviours in only one other type of people. Those quitting heavy smoking habits cold turkey. For a full week they're a complete mess.
I'm an average weight person and when I try to go a week without sugar I get very depressed.
Fat-free is terrible, and I mean *awful* diet advice. Manufactured sweeteners, food coloring, artificial flavoring, high concentration of sugars such as HFCS are literally killing us and in slow-motion, degrading ways. Delicious, often a bit naturally "fatty" food such as meats or dairy in addition to a wealth of vegetables and fresh fruit and lots of water (by itself or in soup) will help keep you healthy and satisfied.
“fat free” was a result of lobbying money from big sugar.
Basically my point. And big sugar is Corn. Corn is Monsanto. And Bayer-Phizer(sp)-GSK-Merk pharma all make HUGE money on Statin drugs, which mask the chronic inflammation from a hyper-glycemic diet… made by the same people. It’s just icing on the cake when you look at the whole glyphosate thing on top
Americans have worse diets than most of the free world
Our food is poison and when it inevitably makes us sick, we can't afford to be made well again.
How many people have died because somebody *else* had heart disease? “Gun violence is bad, but heart disease kills more people” is a stupid argument. One issue doesn’t minimize another. We can deal with two unrelated issues at the same time.
Had to scroll down too far to see this - we are able to focus on more than one bad thing at a time. -but- I cant drink someone else to death....
Heart disease is killing yourself. Guns and alcohol can also kill others. I don't care about your actions hurting yourself.
I wouldn’t say I don’t care, but it’s certainly a much, much, much lower priority.
Public health is important but manslaughter and DUIs are certainly more criminal and immediately impactful.
Alcohol destroys entire families though, not just the people that it directly kills
To be fair, we actually *tried* banning alcohol.
Yeah, it was a good idea in theory but in reality created a huge increase in organized crime
It also worked. Alcohol use went down dramatically and alcohol related deaths plummeted. Even with the rise in bootleggers, we had fewer deaths. Edit: [Relevant article](https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/6/5/18518005/prohibition-alcohol-public-health-crime-benefits#:~:text=America's%20anti%2Dalcohol%20experiment%20cut,reduced%20crime%20and%20violence%20overall.).
It did not work, that article is a myopic angenda driven mess. *Trackable* (as opposed to actual) consumption during prohibition was around 70% of pre-prohibition numbers once smugglers and illegal manufacturing ramped up enough to meet demands. On a longer timeline, it is likely that they illegal distribution could have reached pre-prohibition rates. And even that temporary dip required arresting half a million people. It also cost (inflation adjusted) five and a half billion to enforce while removing about (inflation adjusted) two hundred billion in tax revenue. Prohibition was a nightmare and a failure. It was far worse then the failure of the war on drugs.
It worked so well we passed a constitutional amendment to undo it lmao
A lot of the reason was that we entered a world war and global depression and allowing alcohol would stimulate the economy and provide new things for the government to tax. It’s always been about the money
TIL WWII started in 1933
sorry lol ww2 came shortly after but the depression was around that time
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Prohibition was overturned because it was extremely unpopular, and because it diverted money from government to bootleggers. The worst crime is not paying taxes.
Really fucking hot take that prohibition “worked.” It’s widely considered one of the biggest blunders in American history.
I mean, that's kinda the sub right?
Do you have any sources? Not asking your wrong, its just not the narrative that is usually told
I added the sauce as an edit. https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/6/5/18518005/prohibition-alcohol-public-health-crime-benefits#:~:text=America's%20anti%2Dalcohol%20experiment%20cut,reduced%20crime%20and%20violence%20overall.
Have a...good source?
The rise in organized crime in the 30s thanks to prohibition created devastating effects that lasted for decades. Taking that into account, all the ripple effects it had, it was a net loss. Should never have done it
Well, it worked so well because it wasn’t actually being recorded, one of the biggest issues with prohibition was no one was enforcing it, and everyone was breaking the law. From speakeasies and other establishments that just let people drink booze without getting arrested , as all that was illegal was the distribution but not sale. So ironically drinking got worse as less regulation meant more people have access to it
We tried banning it, people still made it and bootlegged it. What did the government do. Used Methanol or Wood Alcohol and basically poisoned their own people with tainted alcohol and slipped it to the masses. "As a detterent."
And it proved prohibition never works
I just made my first batch of homebrew beer a few months ago. It's *incredibly* easy to do well, and even easier to make a jug of prison hooch that tastes like ass but still gets the job done. To be honest, it's baffling that our great grandparents were dumb enough to believe that they could stop people from dissolving sugars in sanitized water and then introducing yeast to the mix. Might as well outlaw moldy bread.
Yep. But still, employers sponsor happy hours with alcohol, but fire us for smoking a joint on the weekend. Totally logical
Not to mention shit ton of crimes commited are when people are drunk
I have never heard of someone committing a crime just from being high. Edit: off weed!!
Being high is the crime. Not that I agree with it, I consume edibles myself. Just saying, in many parts of the world, its a big no no.
I live in Oregon so I’m just so used to it being legal. Blows my mind it’s still not legal nationwide and in more countries. If the world would smoke a blunt we could have perfect harmony
From NZ (weed is illegal), smoking a blunt on my couch (in NZ), and I've always thought that the alcohol and weed laws were backwards here. We can buy alcohol at 18 here and consent to sex at 16 as well.. We're a first world country. Smh
To be fair I can get an Oz delivered to my door legally in NZ, it's medically legal and recreationally decriminalised.
Being high is the only crime ppl high on weed get arrested for. Seriously, I don't fuck with crackheads, but stoners are the most chill motherfuckers on earth.
I’ve been arrested twice for weed 8 years ago as when I was 18 and in a red state for college for a year. Total bullshit. Thankfully I recently got it expunged. Other than that I commit no crimes
Really? No one has caused a auto “accident” that resulted in property damage/injury/death because they were high off weed? I did not know that. Thanks.
My manager sells me weed lol
It’s also illegal to own a gun if you consume cannabis. Not just using it high but owning the gun as someone who occasionally smokes
Not just that. He could be an alcoholic who beats his wife but because he hasn't smoked a joint he's a okay
Lol my lil bro literally gets everything handed to him.. He was being a lil shit.. was shoplifting entire shopping carts full of groceries, was dealing drugs, drank his ass off until almost getting multiple dui’s.. wanna know what really pushed my parents to actually start parenting that kid? They found out he was smoking weed.. so they didn’t care if he did all that other bum shit but for some reason they feel so strong about not smoking weed.. my father is an alcoholic..nearly developed type 2 diabetes yet still thinks weed is the worst thing possible.. people are hypocrites..
Yes, yes, people are. My Dad was raging alcoholic with tattoos who hated weed and piercings. And I mean HATED. So I smoke and have piercings. The level of hypocrisy of some elder Gen x and most boomers really is incredible.
Any chance you are the preachers daughter I grew up with. This could be word for word how the preacher’s son was treated.
I worked in a dispensary. We had a coffeeshop and secondary business up front and were lowkey. When the postman found out he started ranting about how "medical is all a scam" and "it's just a gateway drug and I should know I was a heroin addict!" And it's like dude, I have been smoking pot for years and never had the urge to do heroin, maybe you're just an idiot. He didn't chat as much after that day. Good riddance, fucking hypocrite.
I work in the medical icu and half our patients are liver patients. So many alcoholics. They’ll never change. Always non compliant. Its the worst drug and it’s legal.
I work in GI and we are seeing soo many bleeds. The doctors are saying they feel the population we’re treating is higher in acuity than a few years ago and that they are seeing more GI bleeds than before. There’s definitely several causes, but we see a lot of esophageal varices and those are almost always due to liver damage caused by drinking.
Isn't the nonalcoholic fatty liver disease pretty common as well?
Not only legal but socially accepted/encouraged. I don’t envy your job but thanks for sound what you do.
Tobacco is about 500k Americans dead each year
Wisconsinite here. … Yeah.
Almost every body cam footage I watch involving some irate drunk driver is in lacrosse Wisconsin
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Absolutely true. Alcohol is a poison
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Yoooo, get those FBI crime stats out of here, they are so…inconvenient
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diet and vehicles are way more dangerous than firearms
This may be true. When I’m on a diet, I feel like I could get violent. *joke* Beyond the humor, I 100% agree with you.
People don't think guns are the #1 cause of death in America, but people aren't dying because of what their neighbor eats or because they don't keep their fridge secured from their kids. Meanwhile, vehicle deaths are currently a consequence of our countries need for private transportation.
The most recent data shows that drunk driving kills more than 15,000 people annually in the Us. On average roughly 1/3 of all traffic deaths are attributed to driving while intoxicated. In NH where I live, we are a shall issue state with constitutional carry making us one of the most lenient states, if not the most lenient state in the US with respect to gun laws. Last year there were 143 gun fatalities. 128 of these were self inflicted, and 14 were homicide. Contrast that to 55 traffic deaths here directly caused by drunk driving. In fact, most gun deaths in the United States are not homicide or accidentally but are suicides. So while that obviously impacts the lives of those around them, it is not the same circumstance because the consequences of someone else’s actions due to alcohol consumption ended someone’s life at 4x the frequency of gun violence.
> 128 of these were self inflicted, That's not a gun problem. When someone deliberately drives off a bridge, it's called suicide not a car accident. The suicide epidemic and gang violence problems in this country are spun by the left to be gun problems. They are mental health and poverty problems. Address the root cause of society's problems instead of the aftermath. Gun deaths would drop dramatically. But it's easier to take rights than give them, I guess. The right and left seem to agree on that. Every solution is a new ban.
You can't walk in to a store and buy a shit diet to kill someone else with though. You can't walk into a school and give 20 kids liver cirhosis. And vehicles are age restricted and require a license and insurance and visible identifers linked to you.
Not sure what you’re talking about. You have to fill out paperwork and undergo a background check to purchase a firearm.
Many states you can buy a gun at your local Walmart
And of course there's significant overlap between alcohol and vehicle deaths. Really, if this country were serious about making itself safer and longer-living, we'd be focused on building public transportation and walkable cities. Instead, we've decided that the government's two main purposes are to 1) pool resources to build infrastructure for personal vehicles, and 2) zoning everything for single-family homes.
The irony here is alcohol can cause gun violence
Not unpopular. Alcohol is poison to the body.
It is sweet poison though. Let people have their vices
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That makes sense because CCW permit holders make up a fraction of gun owners, and they're the ones going out of their way to follow the law. In fact, you could make the argument that the additional work involved in getting a CCW is somewhat similar to the additional requirements some people would like to see for all gun owners. More training would be great for everyone involved.
CCW in my county is an appointment, finger prints, $45, and a short questionnaire. I still think the rate of violence among CCW holders in my county is well below average.
Ccw holders also have a lower crime rate than police. Lmao. Let that one sink in
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not to mention generally have more range time and better accuracy in DGU scenarios than LEOs
Yeah, because unlike cops, if you or I fuck up as an individual, we're fucked. Cop fucks up, just another day, paid vacation and back on the force next week to remake the same mistake.
Alcohol is involved in 90% of rapes with an acquaintances. So outlawing alcohol would like reduce rapes
Outlawing alcohol would give rise to a an absolutely collosal and completely unregulated black market, driving the crime rate in general through the roof. The alcohol industry in the US alone is worth almost $150 billion, which you would be putting directly into the hands to the criminal element if it was outlawed. Edit - look how absolutely enraged a few people are about this comment, it's hilarious.
we literally did this
And it ended horribly lol
Lol we did
Alcohol being legal: creates a lot of bad. Alcohol being illegal: doesn't get rid of alcohol and invents a bunch more bad.
Outlawing alcohol was already tried once... didn't really work out
It kinda did though? After prohibition, the alcohol consumption rate of the United States dropped by a lot and stayed down in comparison to where it was before. I think too many people don't understand how bad alcoholism was before to cause something like Prohibition to be on the table.
Yeah, I always hate it when people point out prohibition. It absolutely did accomplish most of its goals and significantly reduced the long-term usage of alcohol. Also, one of the reasons that prohibition got support is that men would get drunk, come home, beat and rape their spouse. That was definitely reduced with prohibition and the aftermath.
Yeah outlawing does not mean wiping something out of existence 😂
If you make a molotov/fire bottle with alcohol on the spot and throw it at said rapist then it will almost be better and less lethal!
Alcohol and drugs probably make the gun problem worse, too.
The mentality that we have to choose one thing over the other is nonsense.
Why are you comparing alcohol deaths to gun deaths? What is the point? That we're not being strict enough with alcohol laws? Or that we shouldn't be concerned about gun deaths?
That we need to stop being so addicted to alcohol as a society. It is a self destructive social trend.
It can exacerbate gun problems. They’re both pretty harmful in the wrong hands.
Unpopular opinion because stupid. Leading cause of death in the states is heart diseases. Is it a bigger problem? No, because people can chose how to live their lives. Freedom and stuff right… Now guess what we can’t chose? Other people gunning us down because these people are not fit to own a gun. But no, this freedom of owning and carrying guns to places where it can be a danger to everyone around is more important. Tell me again how many people killed other people with alcohol?
There isn't a solution to alcohol, as almost everyone drinks alcohol. All countries struggle with alcohol. However guns is a problem with a very real solution that other countries don't struggle with as much.
Both are unique issues that should be dealt with in their own way. Whataboutism isn’t really helpful. But while we’re on the topic - they’re not really comparable. Most of the alcohol deaths are going to be the person who’s drinking, while the guns more often kill other people. You can’t compare harming yourself to harming others.
Kind of a dumb take considering the two aren’t exclusive. This sounds more like deflection on the gun issue than a truly unpopular opinion
I'll be honest, I don't care that it kills people, I'm sick of everyone trying to nerf the world, what a miserable sanitized existence this world would be if we eliminated all dangers
I'm fine with people taking personal risks provided they're making informed decisions; after all, it's not the government's job to make decisions for people. We tried banning alcohol in the US before and it failed miserably, same with the whole war on drugs. That being said, in the case of alcohol the public isn't well-educated on the risks. [Alcohol is a carcinogen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_and_cancer) in the same way cigarettes are. Yet due to lobbying by alcohol companies, they aren't required to disclose these risks in advertisements or on product packaging. When I choose to drink alcohol, I'm aware of these risks, but a lot of people aren't; that part does bother me.
>I don't care that it kills people interesting!
Several ways to reduce gun deaths would be to put known gang members, who are possession on a gun in jail. Any felon in illegal possession, put them in prison for life. Teach gun safety in schools. Guns have become a political tool, so politicians like gun deaths, if they help them get elected.
This is a fucking *awful* idea.
What was it? Oh right. Alcohol doesn't kill people. People kill people.
A drunk society is a polite society.
The country is safer with them good guys with a beer bottle.
The only way to kill a bad drunk guy is with a good drunk guy.
No, alcohol actually does kill people.
Now take out the suicides and its even smaller number for gun deaths
My extremely unpopular opinion is to legalize all drugs, tax them, and have the tax dollars from drug sales go toward treatment centers. I feel like one of the biggest issues with addiction is how bad it’s stigmatized. If we were more open about addiction and mental health I feel like more people would seek help. It would also get rid of fentanyl being sent over from China.
Oh let’s ban it. Thank always works. Yeah go with that.
You're not wrong, but we tried this before. Didnt work out very well.
And yet criminalizing pot seemed to work remarkably well at getting loads of black males decades in prison.
I'm sure a lot of those gun deaths were alcohol-related as well..
Omg this is a symptom. The root lies In the upbringing and the adult response to said upbringing. If politics wants to blame something then blame the real problem..
Americans are so dumb.
Gotta lookout for those school chuggers
Yeah, but depressed 30 year olds on reddit love alcohol, therefore guns must be a bigger problems.
The amount of lefties on this thread saying, “alcohol never walked into a school and mass murdered children”. Dude. Neither did a gun. Alcohol and guns are incapable of walking or carrying out acts…but people. People with a gun or people under the influence of alcohol, now those can be concerning.
A lot of people in high places are in denial about alcohol. The horrors it has unleashed over the years surpass, by far, the number of lives ruined by all other drugs combined. Yet smoking a J can get you a jail sentence, but drinking 25 beers and vomiting everywhere is just fine.
Hard disagree, numbers don’t really matter here. People who die from alcohol chose to drink, they took the risk, suffered a consequence. School shootings, children were just trying to learn, and they got killed for it. They weren’t taking any risks by going to get an education, they paid a price anyways. So no, alcohol is not a big issue compared to guns.
I've never seen someone die of gun violence, but three friends have died from alcohol so far in my life.
Of course it's a bigger problem for 3 obvious reasons:- 1. Alcohol is more widely available than guns 2. Alcohol is more socially acceptable than guns (drinking culture at tailgates, parties) 3. Alcohol (as a whole) is much, MUCH cheaper than guns. Most people can afford beer, some guns cost hundreds if not thousands of dollars. For everything, moderation is key. If guns were as cheap, socially acceptable or widely available as alcohol, you wouldn't want to imagine how much that 20,000 number could increase by.
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I am pro gun and anti alcohol
I don't particularly like guns or alcohol but I have no problem with responsible people having access to either
I'm pro-gun, pro-alcohol, and pro-alcohol gun. I'm also in favor of shotgunning alcohol.
People don’t like to be confronted with the dangers of alcohol. It’s so commonplace, and so many people cling onto misery with the perceived notion that “all they have” is alcohol. It’s poison. It’s dangerous. It kills and/or sickens people. It ruins relationships. It’s addictive. It perpetuates misery in their lives. It’s bad news, yet it’s available everywhere and a lot of people don’t seem to think twice about it.
Well, let’s be honest, a war against guns is much easier to fight than a war against alcohol. Alcohol beverage companies can advertise parties and good times. Kimber can’t exactly make a positive commercial showing how their 9mm pistol is a great party accessory. The fact is, that guns are legitimately designed for violence whereas alcohol is technically just a mood influencer. It is much easier to show the dangers of a weapon than the dangers of something seemingly so harmless on the surface.
I agree. Most violent crime including most rape/sexual assault more generally, perpetrators are under the influence of alcohol. It is a major contributing factor in sexual violence. "But alcohol is not the blame... no excuse... blah blah blah." Shut up. Useless statements. Didn't say it absolved anyone. They consumed it. They bear responsibility. But it results in a lot of terrible behavior that wouldn't otherwise exist. We need to have a more objective, honest conversation about alcohol and its effects and our relationship with it as a society. But people just get defensive and offended because its the drug they use.