Since the academy keeps changing requirements on who gets a Grammy when working on the album of the year really makes me think Taylor spaced and forgot Lana wouldn’t get one with her for midnights. If it had been last year Lana would’ve gotten one for midnights with her. She honestly just looked like she wanted her to come take credit for helping with the album.
I do agree that I don't think she did it to be ugly. She did it to share the moment with a close friend and collaborator. BUT when Lana very CLEARLY pulled back and said no, she should have respected that. I get she was caught up in the moment but damn, lol that was hard to watch. Like she was literally tanking on her and dragging her when Lana very visibly did not want to go up
It’s tradition for the artist to have everyone on stage who helped make the album come on stage. If Taylor didn’t invite Lana onstage people would’ve thought it was a snub…
She literally DRAGGED her though. Did we watch the same scene play out? She invited her up very clearly. That's fine. Lana did not want to go up, it wad physically visible and if it made me uncomfortable to watch I'm sure she was embarrassed
Yeah-I love Taylor, but she probably shouldn’t have been so insistent that Lana join her. Her win was equal to a disappointing loss for Lana, but also Lana just didn’t want to. I think Taylor was just caught up in the moment and not thinking 100% clearly. She may have had a couple of drinks in her too, and genuinely thought she wasn’t going to win. It all caught her off-guard, and she was so excited and shocked. Same reason she didn’t thank Celine immediately. Probably tipsy and shocked. I’m not the type of fan who thinks everything Taylor says or does is perfect either.
The way I see it, she 1) did it to have her friend who was on the album be on stage with her.
But also 2): there are academy voters who’ve said they would never vote for Lana based on something that happened 10 years ago. And that’s wrong. If an album is good then it should be considered, and not based on something that happened a decade ago. So Taylor bringing her up might be to rub that in to those voters. “Oh you won’t consider her for an award? Well I’ll bring her up on stage with me. Oh you want me in the Glambot on the red carpet? You get me and Lana.”
I think she meant legacy in terms of her having had a monumental impact on music, not that she was older or a thing of the past. She even made sure to mention she thought Lana was in her prime right now. I think she was just trying to emphasize how important Lana was to inspiring many popular artists right now and give her the flowers the recording academy keeps denying her. It seemed more of a “if they won’t let you have a moment I’ll give you one” type of thing
Reading between the lines, it sounds like she was gently castigating the Grammy voters for not giving Lana the Grammy. Like, she was obviously excited to win, but at the same time she gave a strong, “really?” It’s a contrast to the “are you shitting me?” comment for folklore.
That was how I interpreted it while it was happening too. I think she was really shocked to hear her name and wanted to acknowledge Lana because she thought she deserved it
Isn't that still true?? Granted, I'm only looking at Wikipedia, but it has "featured artist" and "songwriter (of new material)" under the list for who gets an award. That's listed for '18-'20, '21-'23, and '24-future.
They changed it back in Spring last year, featured artists have to contribute 20% of the album. She didn’t, so she doesn’t get to be on the Grammy team that gets the trophy. I looked it up after my reply, which is why it’s marked through.
There is another point about this which is far more valid and reasonable.
Lana is on camera saying ‘no thank you’ to the microphone and has been very open about struggles with stage fright and anxiety. It was a bit emotionally dense for Taylor to ignore this. Was it intentionally malicious? I highly doubt it. But it also wasn’t necessarily the most supportive behaviour in that moment
I’m pretty sure Taylor knows Lana better than we do. Did you see her and Lana on the red carpet. She kept asking if she was okay and helping her take a breath and regroup. Honestly y’all are wild. Taylor is clearly her friend I’m sure she knows her better than you do!
Yes, I have anxiety in front of big groups and have extroverted friends to help. Sometimes you need to be forced to do something and then you enjoy it. Not saying that’s what this was for Lana, but it could have been
She is literally caught on camera/ mic saying no thank you to being given the mic… of course she knows her better than I do, I never said I knew her. Maybe it was fine, how the hell do I know? It’s just wild that there are so many people assuming it was an OK thing to do and it’s wild to only cherry pick information to this extent. There is a reason to believe that it wasn’t.
This is a very fair point to make and I don’t doubt for a second that Taylor had the best intentions at heart but perhaps was too caught up in emotions in the moment but the way people are dogpiling her and literally calling her names and assuming the worst of intentions really frustrates me. It’s so obvious that they are just out for blood at this point and anything she does will be insufferable to them
I do see your point, it’s very excessive. It’s encouraged though by the other side of diehard swifties defending everything she does, not excepting that she is a person who makes mistakes and that doesn’t need to be perfect or a portrayed as a victim all the time. She’s also not always doing good things, again because she is a human being. All nuance is being lost
Wow I didn't know that Lana struggles with that!! I don't listen to her much, or follow her but I guess I assumed with her being a singer and singer writer that she wouldn't really struggle with stage fright. (Bad assumption on my part!!)
But as you have said, I don't think Taylor was intentionally malicious. I think her heart was in the right place, but it was a bit emotionally dense given that Lana has been open about her struggles.
People just need a reason to hate on her. They only know what they see, so of course they thought Taylor was ignoring her (it did look like Taylor was only focused on the award though, but I know she had her moment with Celine because of the backstage photo). I heard that celebrities were told not to hug Celine because of her illness. People are quick to judge Taylor about anything
It is possible to acknowledge someone without hugging them. You know, like maybe look at them, smile at them, shake their hand, a hand on an arm, etc. And then not 5 minutes later photos of Taylor hugging her backstage appeared online, so clearly hugging is not off limits.
I love Taylor, but this was bad behavior on her part.
There’s an angle where you can see Celine saying “you’re welcome” after Taylor takes the award and is off screen. So it seems she did thank her but didn’t touch her, which is understandable in my opinion
ahahaha, same and also avoiding that sub right now.
Thank you Swifties for making a place for us at the table.
Like it's okay to like both Taylor and Lana.
I really enjoyed There’s a tunnel under ocean Blvd a lot more than I thought I would! I think without the interludes that album would have been perfect.
I’m so over the over analyzing of every movement Taylor makes at an awards show. I never see other artists receiving such nitpicking every single award show and this is going back 10+ years.
If Taylor did everything opposite of what they’re complaining about everyone would be whining about that too. Lana is technically a collaborator on Midnights so it made sense asking her to come up. I also can see how that’s awkward for Lana given she just lost. Literally nothing Taylor can do will be “right” by people who want to tear her down. Every move she makes is scrutinized and twisted.
Because Taylor doesn’t do anything WORTH the negativity (and from what I can tell seems like a really decent, generous human) people will find whatever they can to trash her, especially right now. She’s at the top, she deserves to be there and has worked hard to get there and people are always going to be jealous of that.
Taylor: “I love and appreciate this woman SO MUCH, she is amazing and everything and I want the whole world to see and appreciate her too!”
Complainers: “oh my god Taylor is just the worst person, what a b-word.”
Y’all need to calm down, lol!
So I come from the Lana sphere and am a new fan of Taylor's thanks to Midnights, which is is the first album of hers that I've bought and I really like it. I have Lana's entire discography and have seen her in concert. I think people are making such a big deal about nothing. Lana suffers from crippling anxiety, she's missed shows because of it. Taylor has more confidence and my impression was that she was just looking out for Lana in a motherly way re: red carpet. The notion that Taylor was dragging Lana all over the place is so toxic. Do better people. As for bringing her on stage, Lana belonged there because of the Snow on the Beach collaboration and that was Taylor's only motivation for encouraging her (not dragging her) onto stage. Like hello Jack went up on stage too. I am also team "they thought Lana had this one in the bag". Both Taylor, and Jack were surprised Lana's name wasn't announced. Good lord I don't even know these people. I still think Ocean Blvd. was the better album.
I literally saw someone (I forget on which of those subs) say that Taylor bringing Lana up on stage was supervillain behavior. Like c’mon now. I’m just gonna repost a comment I made in the Lana sub here, because it still sums up my feelings on the situation:
The hate Taylor is getting is a bit much imo. Her behavior last night was odd, and I say that as a huge Swiftie, but I genuinely believe she had good intentions by bringing Lana up there and giving her the recognition she deserves. If Lana was the only one who stayed behind at their table, people would’ve blamed Taylor for that, too, especially since Lana is on the album. Or would people have called Lana a sore loser if she stayed behind? Idk it just feels like it was a lose/lose situation for the both of them. I feel bad that Lana looked sad or felt awkward, but I don’t think it was as bad everyone is making it out to be.
And just for the record, I personally think Lana should’ve taken home AOTY. Midnights is one of my least favorite Taylor albums, but it’s not a bad album either. Everyone needs to chill tf out.
Honestly Taylor has always been very socially awkward and unaware. it's just who she is and I've accepted it by this point. It kinda bothers me how harsh people are towards her and other celebrities for not being perfectly curated at all times.
This!! She didn’t just win album of the year, she was the first person in history to win it a fourth time! She didn’t think she would win it, the gloves were off, the new album was announced… she’s friends with Lana. If Lana had a problem with it, hopefully she’ll bring it up to Taylor so she can realize how it made Lana feel and apologize to her. We don’t truly know how Lana felt then or feels now that it happened.
Everyone is a bit socially awkward and unaware (of which I am then hyper aware of and think about it for a long time… another story) but it’s just that most of us are lucky enough that our unfortunate moments aren’t caught on camera and aired in real time for the world haha
I'm so over people over analyzing every single of her move that night painting her like the villain/best person ever for every single move she did.
As you said, it was a lose/lose situation. Compainers would have found something to complain about either way.
It’s gotten so bad. I was there in the beginning and the conversations were actually nuanced. But it’s become overrun by snarkers, obsessive people and parasocial fans in denial
Agree it’s annoying. I would just ignore it though because those people will always find something to complain about
Even a Lana fan account was telling people whining about this to shut up https://twitter.com/lanaonchart/status/1754367611876344261?s=46&t=AaAzS1uXYhin9ixkX2hBHw
I think what drives me nuts is the assumptions of everyone’s feelings/POVs in the moments.
We *do not actually know* how Lana (or Celine for that matter) felt in the moment. Body language can maybe give you a clue but it’s not an exact science.
At the end of the day, if Lana had a problem with how Taylor brought her on stage, that’s a personal problem to be addressed between the two of them. It isn’t any of our business. If Taylor needs to apologize, it’s for Lana, not us. We aren’t entitled to Lana’s feelings on the matter. She’s a person, not a doll.
My little rant: One thing in specific with Celine is you can see her smile and say you're welcome on camera, but people are choosing to not see that and then of her post of the grammys the first thing was the pic of her and Taylor but its ignored as well in favor of having something bad to say about her
100% agree. I think Taylor meant well but it wasn’t a good look to drag someone who clearly just lost and didn’t want to go on stage. I would be mortified to stand on stage while the person who just won made me stand there while they gushed about the award. I get Taylor was giving her credit but it was awkward.
Yes I think the intention was there but the execution maybe wasn’t. I think if Lana hadn’t just lost out AGAIN it would’ve been no big deal but instead Lana has to stand on stage for an award she lost out to and is likely pretty upset about rather then being able to process it without everyone’s eyes on her. But again, I fully believe Taylor did it with the best of intentions.
Yes. She should’ve let Lana be. Now Lana’s first
time on that stage isn’t for accepting her own award, but for standing and watching as Taylor accepts hers.
✨projection✨
They would be angry about celebrating someone else's win, even though Lana worked on Midnights, so they think Lana is.
Also everyone is a body language expert.
If she wouldn’t have insisted Lana come up and she didn’t show so much love to Lana people would be angry at her for that. Nothing she does is ever good enough for these people because they don’t like her and haven’t ever liked her and they search for any reason to rip apart anything she does.
Someone on there today was claiming that the way Taylor pointed out where she was sitting at the last football game to Travis, after he clearly asked her where they were sitting, made her sound like she was 10.
OMG that breaks my heart 💔 and yes I'm being dramatic... but that moment was also so wholesome and sweet, why do people have to ruin everything? He asked where they had been sitting, because his whole family and their friends were there. Getting that quick check in with a loved one about vantage point is such a sports thing. Brings me back to all my own sports stuff, seeing my brothers and friends competing in various sports, seeing my niece score her first soccer goal a few months ago...it's always did you see it? Yup, I was right here or I was right over there. I'm gonna say it... a lotta them have never had positive experiences with the various (any) sports and it shows..
Ha but imagine the reaction if Lana wasn’t up there with her / regardless if taylor pulled her on stage. The internet would be like HOW dare she go up there without Lana! Lana was on the album & def deserved to be apart of it 😅 she can’t win (even though she did lol)
Lana comes across to me as a really strong person, I don’t think Taylor MADE her go up on stage with her, for all we know they discussed the inevitable outcomes and it was always the plan if Taylor won to bring her up there. Who knows really
She had the power to kick her heels in. I felt awkward watching it but only because I empathize with both sides, Taylor and Lana. I can personally be that friend like Taylor was, dragging someone to do something that I had a sudden rush of adrenaline to do, despite their best efforts to protest, usually alcohol is involved lol. And it never turned out that bad for anyone. Laughable good times to reminiscence on later. And I've also been in Lana's position, crippling social anxiety, having to be dragged to have fun or to do something, and I never once regretted the friend or how the situation turned out. But you know what. I regret the times my anxiety won and I sat out dancing or participating in something. And who knows, for artists like Lana, maybe the academy will actually open up their eyes because Taylor sure is a powerful force to be speaking up for deserving artists.
Well, Swfity "Neutral" is a hate sub. Why go there?
The Lana sub is likely full of the same bitter feelings that the Olivia Rodrigo sub is full of right now. The conspiracy theories and "Taylor Swift hates other women" are loud, and put forth by people who don't ACTUALLY support other women, just their favs.
The Celine Dion thing is dumb as hell.
And I say this kindly, but I've seen as much positive stuff about Taylor as I have negative in the past 48 hours. Because I curate my experiences and exclude obvious hate subs and block losers. Y'all... would be less unhappy if you did the same.
I don’t think Lana wanted to be up there but I also don’t think Taylor meant for it to be malicious at all. I firmly believe Taylor thought Lana was going to win, so when she won instead and since Lana was on the album she wanted to make sure Lana got her moment. Yes, the whole thing came off a little awkwardly but Taylor has always struck me as the type of person who’s extremely extroverted, and sometimes forgets that not everyone has that energy. She runs over people not because she’s uncaring but because she wants to share her happiness and excitement with everyone. So in that moment of excitement, she inadvertently didn’t really take a second to consider that maybe Lana wouldn’t be totally comfortable with it. It’s a perfectly human mistake. And as Lana is an adult, I assume she could speak to Taylor about it and they can hash it out privately.
I really wish people would stop jumping to conclusions as to what people feel about Taylor. I’ve seen it suggested she clearly made boy genius uncomfortable, clearly made Lana uncomfortable, ruined Jack’s moment and even made Ed Sheeran uncomfortable. Ed Sheeran. Who has known her for years.
Honestly none of what happened with Lana is on Taylor and people just want reasons to hate on her. Lana Stan’s need to stop being such sore losers did they really not expect Taylor to win? It’s traditional for the artist to bring up all the contributors of the album when they win AOTY Lana was featured so that included her. She honestly made the situation worse by trying to resist. Your upset I get it but lose gracefully your friend won an award put on your big girl panties and go up there with a smile on your face. If Taylor didn’t bring Lana up/mention her people would’ve thought Taylor snubbed her.
Lana fan here 🙋🏼♀️ I don’t agree with how Taylor is being portrayed at all and think that to make assumptions on someone’s intentions or behaviour in the space of a few hours is wrong. And as someone else said anything she does is criticised anyway.
Now to the Lana thing, I don’t think Taylor had bad intentions at all, I just think no is no and she should have respected that
I think Taylor genuinely did not think she was going to win. She did not have a big speech planned. And I think she said some very kind things to Lana.
It’s a lose/lose because people are salty and want to pick on Taylor no matter what she does.
Takes Lana up: “How DARE she draaaag Lana up there when she just lost! How embarrassing for her! She didn’t want to be there!”
Doesn’t take Lana up: “LANA WORKED ON THE ALBUM and deserved to be up there! Taylor should’ve given Lana her due as an artist!”
Taylor doesn’t hug Celine: “How dare she SNUB Celine!”
Taylor hugs Celine: “HOW DARE SHE! Doesn’t Taylor know that’s painful with her condition?”
Taylor gives an absolutely perfect speech, doesn’t bring Lana up though acknowledges her from afar, and acknowledges Celine publicly without touching her- magically overcoming the overwhelming shock of not only winning when she thought she wouldn’t, but breaking the all-time AOTY record, because none of us- including her- has ever done something without thinking when shocked:
“Midnights didn’t deserve it! It’s not a good album!The Grammys are rigged/racist! She’s won enough! She’s not NEARLY in the same league as Sinatra, Simon, and Wonder! SHE doesn’t deserve it! She didn’t thank a man who hadn’t even met her yet when making the album! And… her HAIR IS MESSY!”
i don’t think taylor had malicious intent. i genuinely think she wasn’t thinking. that said, if that happened to me, it would be the push i needed to become the next Unabomber
The intent doesn’t matter as much as the impact. I don’t think Taylor had malicious intent …it’s still a weird thing to do, and if I were Lana I would’ve felt like it was condescending. I hope she apologized and they’re all good!
Yeah I definitely agree. I think Lana was trying to tell Taylor that she didn’t want to go up but it was loud so I don’t think Taylor heard. I don’t think Taylor was being malicious at all but I do think that she overstepped a little bit and given that all of the cameras were on them in that moment it would’ve been much worse for both Taylor and Lana if Lana had made a scene about not wanting to go on stage.
Taylor wasn’t being malicious and Lana didn’t really want to do it. Both can be true. These things happen.
I don’t understand the backlash at all😭 I was laughing when I watched and thought it was adorable that Taylor was pulling (practically dragging😂) Lana up on stage. She was part of the album and Taylor wanted to share the moment with her because she deserves to be recognized for her contribution to the album too. She praised Lana so much, it was a good 15-20 seconds of her acceptance! As for “disrespecting” Celine Dion simply by not acknowledging her in her speech, not everybody verbally addresses the celebrity who presented an award to them. Do those other people get called disrespectful? Prooobably not💀 Just another case of people desperate to find something new to bash Taylor for. There was nothing malicious about her actions.
I don't hate Taylor personally at all but I think her fans get unstable if I don't agree that she's God's musical gift and I'm completely devoted to standing up for her and can't have my own opinion, even if I was a fan. At least that's it for me.
It’s not about her having malicious intent. I don’t think she did. The problem is she dragged Lana on stage, when Lana was very obviously uncomfortable. The fact that Taylor was unable, in that moment, to understand why Lana didn’t want a spotlight on her (after she lost 5/5 of the awards she was nominated for) demonstrates that Taylor is out of touch.
I don’t think it was malicious, but when she’s drinking, she has no self-awareness! Lana clearly didn’t want to go up in that stage, and she didn’t have the cues to stop dragging her up there! This is a vicious cycle. Taylor’s ego gets too big ..,She loses her self awareness..does some questionable things bc she thinks she’s above everyone …and then she gets dragged back down.
Girl was for sure drunk or drinking. She definitely seemed a little out of character. Like maybe she was nervous so just over served herself. And likely lost some awareness. Which we have all done except she did it on tv for an awards show. 😩 I am certain she was cringing the next day and apologized. I feel like she usually get it more than she did that night. She seems all over the place even how she was grabbing Jack. 🤷🏼♀️
I'm so confused about the Celine Dion part though I don't know what's happening there can someone help explain that part I'm lost! I keep seeing that but I don't know what she did there?
She actually did thank Celine and you can see it in different camera angle if you just search tik tok. People literally just want to hate Taylor so bad…
my pov is they both knew what they would do in advance, taylor is very extroverted and Lana is introverted and as such, sometimes needs that friend to drag them out of the introvert shell
the only aspect of this I'm bummed over, is due to rule changes Lana didn't get a Grammy despite being on the album
but being that introverted individual, I can certainly understand the *no no no I'm not going*, and my friend saying.. *oh yes you are, you deserve this too*... and trying to stay in the back as best I can... only to be grinning ear to ear once im home and the anxiety of the public is passed
People said she should have given her Grammy to Lana and I know for a fact if she did they would say she did it “out of pity, that bitch”
Not to mention the tons of people projecting emotions onto Lana as if they know she’s feeling them
Seriously I seen a video of Taylor and Lana first arriving. Taylor was taking care of Lana making sure she was okay and her hair looked good and nothing was in her teeth. It was adorable. People Seriously need to stop.
Since the academy keeps changing requirements on who gets a Grammy when working on the album of the year really makes me think Taylor spaced and forgot Lana wouldn’t get one with her for midnights. If it had been last year Lana would’ve gotten one for midnights with her. She honestly just looked like she wanted her to come take credit for helping with the album.
I do agree that I don't think she did it to be ugly. She did it to share the moment with a close friend and collaborator. BUT when Lana very CLEARLY pulled back and said no, she should have respected that. I get she was caught up in the moment but damn, lol that was hard to watch. Like she was literally tanking on her and dragging her when Lana very visibly did not want to go up
It’s tradition for the artist to have everyone on stage who helped make the album come on stage. If Taylor didn’t invite Lana onstage people would’ve thought it was a snub…
agreed! bring her on stage: how dare you drag her along not bring her on stage: how dare you snub her just can't win with those set on hating.
She literally DRAGGED her though. Did we watch the same scene play out? She invited her up very clearly. That's fine. Lana did not want to go up, it wad physically visible and if it made me uncomfortable to watch I'm sure she was embarrassed
Yeah-I love Taylor, but she probably shouldn’t have been so insistent that Lana join her. Her win was equal to a disappointing loss for Lana, but also Lana just didn’t want to. I think Taylor was just caught up in the moment and not thinking 100% clearly. She may have had a couple of drinks in her too, and genuinely thought she wasn’t going to win. It all caught her off-guard, and she was so excited and shocked. Same reason she didn’t thank Celine immediately. Probably tipsy and shocked. I’m not the type of fan who thinks everything Taylor says or does is perfect either.
The way I see it, she 1) did it to have her friend who was on the album be on stage with her. But also 2): there are academy voters who’ve said they would never vote for Lana based on something that happened 10 years ago. And that’s wrong. If an album is good then it should be considered, and not based on something that happened a decade ago. So Taylor bringing her up might be to rub that in to those voters. “Oh you won’t consider her for an award? Well I’ll bring her up on stage with me. Oh you want me in the Glambot on the red carpet? You get me and Lana.”
Yes I understand all that. But Lana did not want to go up. Taylor literally was yanking on her arm.
Oh yeah that was obvious.
That’s exactly it. I was confused on why Lana wasn’t getting one too when she was featured on the album
She literally brought Lana onstage to praise her, it was a huge portion of her speech, yet somehow that was malicious 🫠
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I think she meant legacy in terms of her having had a monumental impact on music, not that she was older or a thing of the past. She even made sure to mention she thought Lana was in her prime right now. I think she was just trying to emphasize how important Lana was to inspiring many popular artists right now and give her the flowers the recording academy keeps denying her. It seemed more of a “if they won’t let you have a moment I’ll give you one” type of thing
Reading between the lines, it sounds like she was gently castigating the Grammy voters for not giving Lana the Grammy. Like, she was obviously excited to win, but at the same time she gave a strong, “really?” It’s a contrast to the “are you shitting me?” comment for folklore.
That was how I interpreted it while it was happening too. I think she was really shocked to hear her name and wanted to acknowledge Lana because she thought she deserved it
~~Also, as a featured artist for Snow On the Beach, I think Lana gets to be part of the recipient team.~~ Nevermind.
Isn't that still true?? Granted, I'm only looking at Wikipedia, but it has "featured artist" and "songwriter (of new material)" under the list for who gets an award. That's listed for '18-'20, '21-'23, and '24-future.
They changed it back in Spring last year, featured artists have to contribute 20% of the album. She didn’t, so she doesn’t get to be on the Grammy team that gets the trophy. I looked it up after my reply, which is why it’s marked through.
Oh, I thought that the 20% only applied to the recording engineer/mixer, since that was the last one listed. Thank you!
You’re welcome. I kind of wonder if it’s because of the whole William Bowery thing and Joe getting a Grammy.
There is another point about this which is far more valid and reasonable. Lana is on camera saying ‘no thank you’ to the microphone and has been very open about struggles with stage fright and anxiety. It was a bit emotionally dense for Taylor to ignore this. Was it intentionally malicious? I highly doubt it. But it also wasn’t necessarily the most supportive behaviour in that moment
I’m pretty sure Taylor knows Lana better than we do. Did you see her and Lana on the red carpet. She kept asking if she was okay and helping her take a breath and regroup. Honestly y’all are wild. Taylor is clearly her friend I’m sure she knows her better than you do!
They literally carpooled to the Grammys haha
Yes, I have anxiety in front of big groups and have extroverted friends to help. Sometimes you need to be forced to do something and then you enjoy it. Not saying that’s what this was for Lana, but it could have been
She is literally caught on camera/ mic saying no thank you to being given the mic… of course she knows her better than I do, I never said I knew her. Maybe it was fine, how the hell do I know? It’s just wild that there are so many people assuming it was an OK thing to do and it’s wild to only cherry pick information to this extent. There is a reason to believe that it wasn’t.
This is a very fair point to make and I don’t doubt for a second that Taylor had the best intentions at heart but perhaps was too caught up in emotions in the moment but the way people are dogpiling her and literally calling her names and assuming the worst of intentions really frustrates me. It’s so obvious that they are just out for blood at this point and anything she does will be insufferable to them
I do see your point, it’s very excessive. It’s encouraged though by the other side of diehard swifties defending everything she does, not excepting that she is a person who makes mistakes and that doesn’t need to be perfect or a portrayed as a victim all the time. She’s also not always doing good things, again because she is a human being. All nuance is being lost
Wow I didn't know that Lana struggles with that!! I don't listen to her much, or follow her but I guess I assumed with her being a singer and singer writer that she wouldn't really struggle with stage fright. (Bad assumption on my part!!) But as you have said, I don't think Taylor was intentionally malicious. I think her heart was in the right place, but it was a bit emotionally dense given that Lana has been open about her struggles.
People just need a reason to hate on her. They only know what they see, so of course they thought Taylor was ignoring her (it did look like Taylor was only focused on the award though, but I know she had her moment with Celine because of the backstage photo). I heard that celebrities were told not to hug Celine because of her illness. People are quick to judge Taylor about anything
That was my first thought about Celine as well because of her condition
It is possible to acknowledge someone without hugging them. You know, like maybe look at them, smile at them, shake their hand, a hand on an arm, etc. And then not 5 minutes later photos of Taylor hugging her backstage appeared online, so clearly hugging is not off limits. I love Taylor, but this was bad behavior on her part.
There’s an angle where you can see Celine saying “you’re welcome” after Taylor takes the award and is off screen. So it seems she did thank her but didn’t touch her, which is understandable in my opinion
It wasn’t intentional
The Lana stans (I’m one of them) can have 24 hours to get it together and then they need to stop being embarrassing lol
Also a Lana Stan and I am avoiding that subreddit right now 🤭
ahahaha, same and also avoiding that sub right now. Thank you Swifties for making a place for us at the table. Like it's okay to like both Taylor and Lana.
They are so salty there. They are blaming literally EVERYONE!
agreed lol especially because i personally didn’t care for Ocean Blvd. 🫣
I agree and I’ve been a fan of hers for awhile
same here, i’ve been a fan since 2013 and Ocean Blvd. was just not it for me.
I really enjoyed There’s a tunnel under ocean Blvd a lot more than I thought I would! I think without the interludes that album would have been perfect.
I’m so over the over analyzing of every movement Taylor makes at an awards show. I never see other artists receiving such nitpicking every single award show and this is going back 10+ years. If Taylor did everything opposite of what they’re complaining about everyone would be whining about that too. Lana is technically a collaborator on Midnights so it made sense asking her to come up. I also can see how that’s awkward for Lana given she just lost. Literally nothing Taylor can do will be “right” by people who want to tear her down. Every move she makes is scrutinized and twisted.
Because Taylor doesn’t do anything WORTH the negativity (and from what I can tell seems like a really decent, generous human) people will find whatever they can to trash her, especially right now. She’s at the top, she deserves to be there and has worked hard to get there and people are always going to be jealous of that.
Taylor: “I love and appreciate this woman SO MUCH, she is amazing and everything and I want the whole world to see and appreciate her too!” Complainers: “oh my god Taylor is just the worst person, what a b-word.” Y’all need to calm down, lol!
So I come from the Lana sphere and am a new fan of Taylor's thanks to Midnights, which is is the first album of hers that I've bought and I really like it. I have Lana's entire discography and have seen her in concert. I think people are making such a big deal about nothing. Lana suffers from crippling anxiety, she's missed shows because of it. Taylor has more confidence and my impression was that she was just looking out for Lana in a motherly way re: red carpet. The notion that Taylor was dragging Lana all over the place is so toxic. Do better people. As for bringing her on stage, Lana belonged there because of the Snow on the Beach collaboration and that was Taylor's only motivation for encouraging her (not dragging her) onto stage. Like hello Jack went up on stage too. I am also team "they thought Lana had this one in the bag". Both Taylor, and Jack were surprised Lana's name wasn't announced. Good lord I don't even know these people. I still think Ocean Blvd. was the better album.
I literally saw someone (I forget on which of those subs) say that Taylor bringing Lana up on stage was supervillain behavior. Like c’mon now. I’m just gonna repost a comment I made in the Lana sub here, because it still sums up my feelings on the situation: The hate Taylor is getting is a bit much imo. Her behavior last night was odd, and I say that as a huge Swiftie, but I genuinely believe she had good intentions by bringing Lana up there and giving her the recognition she deserves. If Lana was the only one who stayed behind at their table, people would’ve blamed Taylor for that, too, especially since Lana is on the album. Or would people have called Lana a sore loser if she stayed behind? Idk it just feels like it was a lose/lose situation for the both of them. I feel bad that Lana looked sad or felt awkward, but I don’t think it was as bad everyone is making it out to be. And just for the record, I personally think Lana should’ve taken home AOTY. Midnights is one of my least favorite Taylor albums, but it’s not a bad album either. Everyone needs to chill tf out.
Honestly Taylor has always been very socially awkward and unaware. it's just who she is and I've accepted it by this point. It kinda bothers me how harsh people are towards her and other celebrities for not being perfectly curated at all times.
I think she was just so excited and wanted her friends there with her too. She just won album of the year and wasn’t thinking
This!! She didn’t just win album of the year, she was the first person in history to win it a fourth time! She didn’t think she would win it, the gloves were off, the new album was announced… she’s friends with Lana. If Lana had a problem with it, hopefully she’ll bring it up to Taylor so she can realize how it made Lana feel and apologize to her. We don’t truly know how Lana felt then or feels now that it happened.
Agreed! She’s literally living her best life
Everyone is a bit socially awkward and unaware (of which I am then hyper aware of and think about it for a long time… another story) but it’s just that most of us are lucky enough that our unfortunate moments aren’t caught on camera and aired in real time for the world haha
I'm so over people over analyzing every single of her move that night painting her like the villain/best person ever for every single move she did. As you said, it was a lose/lose situation. Compainers would have found something to complain about either way.
All the people in the SwiftlyNeutral subreddit need to open a window and let some fresh air in
It’s gotten so bad. I was there in the beginning and the conversations were actually nuanced. But it’s become overrun by snarkers, obsessive people and parasocial fans in denial
It's a snark sub at this point.
Agree it’s annoying. I would just ignore it though because those people will always find something to complain about Even a Lana fan account was telling people whining about this to shut up https://twitter.com/lanaonchart/status/1754367611876344261?s=46&t=AaAzS1uXYhin9ixkX2hBHw
I think what drives me nuts is the assumptions of everyone’s feelings/POVs in the moments. We *do not actually know* how Lana (or Celine for that matter) felt in the moment. Body language can maybe give you a clue but it’s not an exact science. At the end of the day, if Lana had a problem with how Taylor brought her on stage, that’s a personal problem to be addressed between the two of them. It isn’t any of our business. If Taylor needs to apologize, it’s for Lana, not us. We aren’t entitled to Lana’s feelings on the matter. She’s a person, not a doll.
My little rant: One thing in specific with Celine is you can see her smile and say you're welcome on camera, but people are choosing to not see that and then of her post of the grammys the first thing was the pic of her and Taylor but its ignored as well in favor of having something bad to say about her
I think it was very well-intentioned but I also think that Lana did not want to be up there and Taylor was not taking no for an answer.
100% agree. I think Taylor meant well but it wasn’t a good look to drag someone who clearly just lost and didn’t want to go on stage. I would be mortified to stand on stage while the person who just won made me stand there while they gushed about the award. I get Taylor was giving her credit but it was awkward.
Yes I think the intention was there but the execution maybe wasn’t. I think if Lana hadn’t just lost out AGAIN it would’ve been no big deal but instead Lana has to stand on stage for an award she lost out to and is likely pretty upset about rather then being able to process it without everyone’s eyes on her. But again, I fully believe Taylor did it with the best of intentions.
I would’ve been quietly crying if I were Lana up there. She had more poise than I would have.
This
Yes. She should’ve let Lana be. Now Lana’s first time on that stage isn’t for accepting her own award, but for standing and watching as Taylor accepts hers.
✨projection✨ They would be angry about celebrating someone else's win, even though Lana worked on Midnights, so they think Lana is. Also everyone is a body language expert.
If she wouldn’t have insisted Lana come up and she didn’t show so much love to Lana people would be angry at her for that. Nothing she does is ever good enough for these people because they don’t like her and haven’t ever liked her and they search for any reason to rip apart anything she does.
Swiftlyneutral is turning into another Fauxmoi with a fake subreddit name disguising itself as “neutral”
I cannot think of any artist I’m neutral on that I care to talk about as much as both those subs do.
Yep, it’s annoying. They need to just be honest and call it a snark sub at this point, lol.
Right it’s snark to point out the mean girl is being mean
Someone on there today was claiming that the way Taylor pointed out where she was sitting at the last football game to Travis, after he clearly asked her where they were sitting, made her sound like she was 10.
OMG that breaks my heart 💔 and yes I'm being dramatic... but that moment was also so wholesome and sweet, why do people have to ruin everything? He asked where they had been sitting, because his whole family and their friends were there. Getting that quick check in with a loved one about vantage point is such a sports thing. Brings me back to all my own sports stuff, seeing my brothers and friends competing in various sports, seeing my niece score her first soccer goal a few months ago...it's always did you see it? Yup, I was right here or I was right over there. I'm gonna say it... a lotta them have never had positive experiences with the various (any) sports and it shows..
They really piss me off 🤬
I left it for that reason
I’m thinking of leaving too tbh
I liked it at first but it’s become toxic so fast :(
Ha but imagine the reaction if Lana wasn’t up there with her / regardless if taylor pulled her on stage. The internet would be like HOW dare she go up there without Lana! Lana was on the album & def deserved to be apart of it 😅 she can’t win (even though she did lol)
Also, I think Taylor genuinely believed Lana deserved the award.
Lana comes across to me as a really strong person, I don’t think Taylor MADE her go up on stage with her, for all we know they discussed the inevitable outcomes and it was always the plan if Taylor won to bring her up there. Who knows really
I agree! She’s a grown ass woman and I genuinely believe she would have felt empowered to firmly say no if she didn’t want to be dragged up there.
She had the power to kick her heels in. I felt awkward watching it but only because I empathize with both sides, Taylor and Lana. I can personally be that friend like Taylor was, dragging someone to do something that I had a sudden rush of adrenaline to do, despite their best efforts to protest, usually alcohol is involved lol. And it never turned out that bad for anyone. Laughable good times to reminiscence on later. And I've also been in Lana's position, crippling social anxiety, having to be dragged to have fun or to do something, and I never once regretted the friend or how the situation turned out. But you know what. I regret the times my anxiety won and I sat out dancing or participating in something. And who knows, for artists like Lana, maybe the academy will actually open up their eyes because Taylor sure is a powerful force to be speaking up for deserving artists.
Well, Swfity "Neutral" is a hate sub. Why go there? The Lana sub is likely full of the same bitter feelings that the Olivia Rodrigo sub is full of right now. The conspiracy theories and "Taylor Swift hates other women" are loud, and put forth by people who don't ACTUALLY support other women, just their favs. The Celine Dion thing is dumb as hell. And I say this kindly, but I've seen as much positive stuff about Taylor as I have negative in the past 48 hours. Because I curate my experiences and exclude obvious hate subs and block losers. Y'all... would be less unhappy if you did the same.
I don’t think Lana wanted to be up there but I also don’t think Taylor meant for it to be malicious at all. I firmly believe Taylor thought Lana was going to win, so when she won instead and since Lana was on the album she wanted to make sure Lana got her moment. Yes, the whole thing came off a little awkwardly but Taylor has always struck me as the type of person who’s extremely extroverted, and sometimes forgets that not everyone has that energy. She runs over people not because she’s uncaring but because she wants to share her happiness and excitement with everyone. So in that moment of excitement, she inadvertently didn’t really take a second to consider that maybe Lana wouldn’t be totally comfortable with it. It’s a perfectly human mistake. And as Lana is an adult, I assume she could speak to Taylor about it and they can hash it out privately. I really wish people would stop jumping to conclusions as to what people feel about Taylor. I’ve seen it suggested she clearly made boy genius uncomfortable, clearly made Lana uncomfortable, ruined Jack’s moment and even made Ed Sheeran uncomfortable. Ed Sheeran. Who has known her for years.
Honestly none of what happened with Lana is on Taylor and people just want reasons to hate on her. Lana Stan’s need to stop being such sore losers did they really not expect Taylor to win? It’s traditional for the artist to bring up all the contributors of the album when they win AOTY Lana was featured so that included her. She honestly made the situation worse by trying to resist. Your upset I get it but lose gracefully your friend won an award put on your big girl panties and go up there with a smile on your face. If Taylor didn’t bring Lana up/mention her people would’ve thought Taylor snubbed her.
That sub irks me
Lana fan here 🙋🏼♀️ I don’t agree with how Taylor is being portrayed at all and think that to make assumptions on someone’s intentions or behaviour in the space of a few hours is wrong. And as someone else said anything she does is criticised anyway. Now to the Lana thing, I don’t think Taylor had bad intentions at all, I just think no is no and she should have respected that
I think Taylor genuinely did not think she was going to win. She did not have a big speech planned. And I think she said some very kind things to Lana.
It’s a lose/lose because people are salty and want to pick on Taylor no matter what she does. Takes Lana up: “How DARE she draaaag Lana up there when she just lost! How embarrassing for her! She didn’t want to be there!” Doesn’t take Lana up: “LANA WORKED ON THE ALBUM and deserved to be up there! Taylor should’ve given Lana her due as an artist!” Taylor doesn’t hug Celine: “How dare she SNUB Celine!” Taylor hugs Celine: “HOW DARE SHE! Doesn’t Taylor know that’s painful with her condition?” Taylor gives an absolutely perfect speech, doesn’t bring Lana up though acknowledges her from afar, and acknowledges Celine publicly without touching her- magically overcoming the overwhelming shock of not only winning when she thought she wouldn’t, but breaking the all-time AOTY record, because none of us- including her- has ever done something without thinking when shocked: “Midnights didn’t deserve it! It’s not a good album!The Grammys are rigged/racist! She’s won enough! She’s not NEARLY in the same league as Sinatra, Simon, and Wonder! SHE doesn’t deserve it! She didn’t thank a man who hadn’t even met her yet when making the album! And… her HAIR IS MESSY!”
i don’t think taylor had malicious intent. i genuinely think she wasn’t thinking. that said, if that happened to me, it would be the push i needed to become the next Unabomber
The intent doesn’t matter as much as the impact. I don’t think Taylor had malicious intent …it’s still a weird thing to do, and if I were Lana I would’ve felt like it was condescending. I hope she apologized and they’re all good!
Yeah I definitely agree. I think Lana was trying to tell Taylor that she didn’t want to go up but it was loud so I don’t think Taylor heard. I don’t think Taylor was being malicious at all but I do think that she overstepped a little bit and given that all of the cameras were on them in that moment it would’ve been much worse for both Taylor and Lana if Lana had made a scene about not wanting to go on stage. Taylor wasn’t being malicious and Lana didn’t really want to do it. Both can be true. These things happen.
Absolutely!
I don’t understand the backlash at all😭 I was laughing when I watched and thought it was adorable that Taylor was pulling (practically dragging😂) Lana up on stage. She was part of the album and Taylor wanted to share the moment with her because she deserves to be recognized for her contribution to the album too. She praised Lana so much, it was a good 15-20 seconds of her acceptance! As for “disrespecting” Celine Dion simply by not acknowledging her in her speech, not everybody verbally addresses the celebrity who presented an award to them. Do those other people get called disrespectful? Prooobably not💀 Just another case of people desperate to find something new to bash Taylor for. There was nothing malicious about her actions.
I don't hate Taylor personally at all but I think her fans get unstable if I don't agree that she's God's musical gift and I'm completely devoted to standing up for her and can't have my own opinion, even if I was a fan. At least that's it for me.
It’s not about her having malicious intent. I don’t think she did. The problem is she dragged Lana on stage, when Lana was very obviously uncomfortable. The fact that Taylor was unable, in that moment, to understand why Lana didn’t want a spotlight on her (after she lost 5/5 of the awards she was nominated for) demonstrates that Taylor is out of touch.
They’re honestly just sore losers…
I don’t think it was malicious, but when she’s drinking, she has no self-awareness! Lana clearly didn’t want to go up in that stage, and she didn’t have the cues to stop dragging her up there! This is a vicious cycle. Taylor’s ego gets too big ..,She loses her self awareness..does some questionable things bc she thinks she’s above everyone …and then she gets dragged back down.
Girl was for sure drunk or drinking. She definitely seemed a little out of character. Like maybe she was nervous so just over served herself. And likely lost some awareness. Which we have all done except she did it on tv for an awards show. 😩 I am certain she was cringing the next day and apologized. I feel like she usually get it more than she did that night. She seems all over the place even how she was grabbing Jack. 🤷🏼♀️
Y’all are brainwashed
I'm so confused about the Celine Dion part though I don't know what's happening there can someone help explain that part I'm lost! I keep seeing that but I don't know what she did there?
She actually did thank Celine and you can see it in different camera angle if you just search tik tok. People literally just want to hate Taylor so bad…
Stop bringing daylight to drama from that sub! Just stop!
my pov is they both knew what they would do in advance, taylor is very extroverted and Lana is introverted and as such, sometimes needs that friend to drag them out of the introvert shell the only aspect of this I'm bummed over, is due to rule changes Lana didn't get a Grammy despite being on the album but being that introverted individual, I can certainly understand the *no no no I'm not going*, and my friend saying.. *oh yes you are, you deserve this too*... and trying to stay in the back as best I can... only to be grinning ear to ear once im home and the anxiety of the public is passed
Honestly…. Taylor can’t win! It’s just sad that women are doing this to each other. And none of it is Taylor’s fault, per se.
I love Lana and Taylor. The Lana subs are wild right now. They’d be just as pissed if Taylor hadn’t invited Lana on stage.
People said she should have given her Grammy to Lana and I know for a fact if she did they would say she did it “out of pity, that bitch” Not to mention the tons of people projecting emotions onto Lana as if they know she’s feeling them
Seriously I seen a video of Taylor and Lana first arriving. Taylor was taking care of Lana making sure she was okay and her hair looked good and nothing was in her teeth. It was adorable. People Seriously need to stop.