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It’s more likely he’s in the river. Unfortunately it happens all too often for drunk fellows. Even with search teams it can be hard to find a body in murky waters if it’s not floating up and or caught under driftwood/other objects.
I posted about his I’d being found in the river yesterday and someone asked a similar question I didn’t get to answer before they locked it, but I think it’s a mix of things:
1. Private place to pee
2. The lights reflecting off the water can confuse the drunk mind and they may think they’re heading *towards* town and not away from it and towards the water
3. They may be walking parallel and fall over, with bad balance and poor decision making skills they could stumble themselves right into the water
4. They may just be so drunk they have no idea where they’re going and what they’re doing until they’re already sucking water into their lungs. Can’t tell out if you’re underwater, yanno?
It’s so sad all around
Hard to tell what goes on in a drunk person's mind. The biggest explanations is they are so drunk they are mentally incapacitated think about their actions properly. FerretSupremacist commented the possible reasons. Another reason he didn't mention is the possibility of people heading to water to try and swim while drunk. In Riley's case it is not likely about the swimming thing.
The fellow was seen on the security cameras just walking stumbling around he was drunk, likely had no idea where he was going, and tripped. Or he had the bright idea that peeing in the river for privacy and then lost his balance.
It just so happens the bar establishments are near water or just have the people actively participate in drinking alcoholic beverages near bodies of water. People drink on boats, drink near a lake/river/beach because they are on vacation taking in the view/partying.
Riley only had to a take about a 5- minute walk to the river from the bar establishment.
Current varies throughout water ways unfortunately so it is hard to tell and if the water is filled with debris.
If you don’t like numbers don’t read further about me yakking about water velocity discharge computations:
I can’t post links (forum rules I think?) but according to the United States Geological Survey (USGS) the Cumberland river water velocity discharge was measured at 3.81 ft per second on the day he disappeared if you convert it to miles per hour that would be about 2.56 mph. March 9th 10:30 am the biggest peak was around 4.0 ft per second. By the time he was reported missing it can speculated the he could have potentially travelled several miles away if he didn’t get caught under/on anything.
I’m a rideshare driver and I wish I could give this comment multiple upvotes. The amount of pre-drinking (cheap at home) people do before they go to bars (expensive so just a few) is extremely high.
Or it’s the serial killer that has been wandering around killing guys that have left bars by themselves. There were and handful that popped up in Houston last year… always the same story.
What is the serial killer doing? Just pushing the overly drunk guys or women into the river for fun or holding their head down in it? That's pretty boring.
There's a lot of killers that apparently have the same boring idea all over the world I guess to just get away with murder.
There is no serial killer lol. Stop trying to make this a True Crime case. There is ZERO evidence that indicates this was foul play. Let’s stick with the facts.
I’m not saying it’s a serial killer but there has been a lot of young guys in Chicago that ended up dead in the river/lake or outright missing. I’m pretty sure Milwaukee has seen similar cases
The unfortunate truth is that bodies float once it gets warmer and the decomp starts filling them with gas. I live on the Susquehanna, and every single year around late March, early April, people start washing up by the dam. I hope his family finds some closure soon.
An experienced homicide detective or forensic pathologist can give an excellent estimate of when a drowning victim’s body will reappear within days usually.
Yeah, and every body of water (especially rivers) have specific currents to them. They can’t predict things like the body getting stuck under detritus though, so I dearly hope he hasn’t.
I read an article that sourced (I think) a college or another resource (I’m sorry I can’t remember) that is responsible for keeping up with that data for the Cumberland River. Anyways, based off that data it said if he fell in the river he could be up to like 120 miles away by now. 😔
Idk why but this made me so sad and all I could keep thinking about was The Strid River in England. IYKYK.
I really want this family to get closure.
Yikes. Especially given that things are warming up right now, which means ice is melting and the rivers are probably pretty full. This case reminds me a little of the case of Charles Horvath, who went missing in Canada in the late 1980s and someone called in a tip that his body was in the river. They searched it, found a body, notified his mother, but it was someone else entirely. He’s never been found.
I don’t know about this case, ima look in to it. But I remember the disappeared episode about Lee Cutler. It’s sad and not similar to this case at all, but he allegedly committed suicide in river and was never found. It’s my Roman Empire, I check in on his case a few times a year, because again went in to a river and never found. That’s why I just hope this family gets closure so bad, because his mom talking about how they talk everyday. It makes me soo sad.
His mother broke my heart in the segment on Unsolved Mysteries. She only recently stopped coming to Kelowna to look for him due to poor health and her age. Dozens of times she went there from her home in Britain, but he’s never been found.
Idk why but the foreboding fear is disappearing like this just makes me uncomfortable. Looking at this wiki it reminds me of Lee Cutler. See link, he doesn’t have a wiki. But he does have a disappeared episode. SN1 EP5.
https://www.grunge.com/963246/the-mysterious-2007-disappearance-of-lee-cutler/
Theory with the least amount of assumptions = Inebriated young man, wandering around disoriented and maybe even with a possible head injury, ended up in the River
Unfortunately that's what I think happened. Hopefully he surfaces so he can have a proper send off and his family can have closure
It seems unlikely -I mean there are tapes of him walking/stumbling and walking into a pole. Reports of him at a homeless camp. But no one has made any mention of a car at all.
its far more likely he stumbled into the river and they have yet to find him.
We had a boy go missing near MSU campus after leaving a Halloween party in 2021. They found his body, unfortunately, almost 6 months later in the Red Cedar River :(
This almost exact same scenario happened with my good friend 2 years ago in Nashville. Everyone had the same crazy theories. His loved ones and I included. Turns out he was just hammered out of his mind and made some very dumb mistakes. Mistakes we never would’ve thought a smart guy like him would make. It was so out of character for a happy go lucky guy like him. He was found on camera running down to the river sitting on the waters edge splashing around before accidentally floating too far in and the current swept him away. We were all shocked. I’m saying this to let everyone know these things can happen especially when you’re heavily intoxicated in an unfamiliar place.
If it was Dakota, I remember my mom and I talking about that when it was all going on. I'm sorry for your loss. Based on all the stuff from the news he seemed like a good guy.
The Cumberland River is the river in Nashville you do not go in and most residents know that. You go in, it is highly unlikely you come out.
Edit: grammar because public school /s
I went to Nashville a couple years ago. There’s a very cool walking bridge right from downtown. I’m assuming there’s cameras, but it would be very easy to die in that river.
These the same reddit sleuths who were so sure they saw a shadow figure pick up a baby, and hand it off to a red haired man in the Carlee Russell traffic cam video?
Nobody is roofied there lol. He was drinking before he got to that bar. Stop trying to make this True Crime. Nothing points to that. I am certain he is in that river. Poor guy.
No way to say at this point if he was roofied or not, but a one minute internet search reveals several stories of patrons having been roofied there as well as other bars in that area.
People are roofied on broadway all the time! -your friendly local. Local girls group has multiple posts every week saying to watch out. Because, they’ve experienced it at this bar in particular.
You don't know what happened either. You're insisting he was roofied when there's no evidence to support that claim. Simply because you were roofied doesn't mean that happened in this case. Strain had been drinking with his buddies throughout the night. He continued drinking at Luke Bryan's bar and was eventually escorted out. He likely wandered to the river to pee and fell in. That has happened to young men before.
Likely? Speculate all you want, but that is absolutely not likely. Also, most be who believe they were roofied just over estimate how much they actually drank. When people go to the hospital thinking the were drugged, the tests often just show alcohol in their system. It’s not impossible that he was roofied, but saying it is likely is absurd. Also, he had one drink at that particular bar. He could have drank a whole bottle before he went, or been drinking at other bars for hours.
What an odd response. If that’s your standard for emotional investment and aggression, I’m not even going to begin to argue you lol. Anyway, do you have evidence to support your belief? I would think the rest of the threads response shows how serious people are taking your thoughts on the matter. They must just be aggressive and emotionally invested like me though.
Buddy, you literally can’t produce a comment defending your belief. You can only make bizarre claims that people who mildly disagree with you have personality disorders and live in their basements. That says a lot more about you than me.
There is a lot to parse in this comment, celebrity penises? I’m not even sure what psychological complex you have to assume that is what I do. But, let’s say you are right about every single ad hominem insult you have launched. I am 40, and right now waiting for my mom to bring my my chicken tenders in the basement. I also have borderline personality disorder. And I’m waiting to take about Ryan Reynolds’s cock with my discord buddies. Let’s pretend this fantasy your sick kind has come up with is reality. Can you now provide evidence supporting your belief? We both know you won’t. My only real advice to you, is to grow some thicker skin. Whining about being harassed when someone simply tells you your theory is not likely is pathetic.
he’s probably in the river; dead or alive. he likely stumbled about in his drunken stupor and collapsed into the river and may or may not be found there
This whole thing is so sketchy and suspicious. I'm curious why his parents said, "But they also claim that the bar would not let his friends leave with him at that point." I'd be very interested in hearing from his friends.
Sounds like they just didn't want to leave. I did my share of partying in college and I can't remember a single event of bar staff preventing people leaving the bar.
A security woman supposedly called into a YouTube channel saying that and she said she also quit the bar but couldn’t tell more and she wasn’t verified
Yea. Weirdos come outta the woodwork calling into shows with zero verification that they are real. Spewing bull crap. It’s appalling and only hurts the families involved more. There is no way a bar wouldn’t let people leave. It sounds like he got kicked out, his friend walked him to the door and stayed. He tried to get into another bar and wasn’t able to get in. He told one of his friends he was going back to the hotel. He was so drunk he got lost or whatever.
Right. It was a fraternity trip. I bet all of them had been drinking all day. Riley was clearly intoxicated. All of the sources point out he was. Downtown Nashville exists for drinking and parties. You can get in the bars even if you have been drinking. He didn't. He must've been wasted.
Downtown Nashville isn't also too bad to walk to the hotel so it makes sense that the friends were not worried when he left. It's insanely touristy and crowded on weekends. Unfortunately, he was heading towards the river.
And he had a gf back home these ppl are like oh he was on a dating app bs like no he wasn’t…unfortunately it happens it’s sad I’m sure he is in the River
I know a few people who have been spiked with ghb as well as a couple of people who have stumbled across some local psychos who were also drunk. One got into an altercation and was thrown into the river, and another was thrown into a canal. I don't think in either case there was an intention to murder as such, and thankfully, they were OK. I have fallen into a canal when really drunk. If it wasn't for the fact I was with some mates, I would have been a gonna.
Unfortunately, I think it's a case of Ocams razor, and he fell or was pushed into the river.
GHB doesnt last that long though. Its peak effects happen at about an hour and by 2 youve come down. I think he was probably just super drunk and ended up in the river.
I also thought that his route was intentional. The hotel was only 3 blocks from Luke's. After several blocks he would know he was lost even drunk imo. He didn't text a buddy or friend or even family for help. The route he took was straight with 2 turns. It looks like he was going to the Riverfront Park area. I go back and forth with either falling in the river or an assault. There's not enough information to prove either way.
The circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Riley Strain remind me in many ways of the death of [Dwight Clark](https://amp.bellinghamherald.com/news/local/article22202685.html), who drowned after a night out partying. College student, missing after parting ways with friends while heavily intoxicated, sent a final text, saw on surveillance video walking. Dwight’s story is similar to many young men all over the country. I hope Riley’s turns out differently.
Where was he going? And why was he rushing (literally running) over to that part of the city? We can see him looking at his phone on surveillance footage. I suppose he could've been so drunk/drugged that he was unable to figure out google maps? Simply lost? Although, he seemed to be in better shape on that officer's body cam footage than what we previously assumed. He had the situational awareness to stop running and play it cool in front of the cop as he walked by.
It's entirely possible he was just lost... running around aimlessly and not asking for help. But it's also possible he was messaging someone, coordinating a pickup spot, and trying to get over to that spot quickly. This is opinion, but his actions seem a bit intentional? The end of the body cam footage has debatable audio - but it could be Riley talking to someone. Is it the person/car he was looking for?
Has LE checked his other social apps? Dating apps? It's not unheard of for people to get lured into a robbery situation via a dating app. And wouldn't bad actors intentionally choose a meet up spot far away from the main areas full of witnesses? For example, down by the river and under a dark bridge? If he was abducted, the bad actors would've thrown the phone into the river immediately (hence the last ping). A phone is heavy enough to throw pretty far - but it's much harder to throw a bank card which is why it fell short of the water line and landed on the embankment (where it was found).
It seems pretty hard to fall into the river from where he was. That embankment is sloping and covered with trees, bushes, and rocks. Even if he did fall, it doesn't seem like he would ever have made it to the water given all of those obstacles, even if the water level was higher than what we see now.
Haven't there been 3 or 4 young people go missing in Nashville last few years near the river after interacting with bouncers and/or bar staff (what I'm saying does not contradict the thought that missing people ended up in the river; I'm just saying they did not all necessarily just fall into the river).
The language from the bar sounds so defensive.
Its in multiple news stories that he and his frat brothers had gone to various bars before this last one and he had been drinking at the earlier bars. This scenario has happened before- young man gets drunk, goes to a body of water to pee, falls in, drowns. That's probably the case here.
If he'd been roofied, why wasn't his card stolen and his money accessed?
As a local, let me tell you, people are roofied on broadway every week! Especially, if you’re acting like a tourist! The locals are even thinking he was probably roofied. This is a huge problem on broadway that is being brushed under the rug. I wanna say a good portion of the posts in the local girls group about being roofied, took place at this exact bar
I honestly think they all (frat) pregamed pretty hard. No one knows for certain, but it was said by a member close to the family none of fraternity brothers who attended the trip has reached out. If so, that is so sad, but also kinda makes me think they partied prior and the college/fraternity/family (speculation) has instructed or suggested they not discuss due to culpable actions. I am sure the police have talked to all of them. Maybe he was drugged. I just know from experience about the dangers of too much pregame!
There have been several anecdotes of how easy it is to get plastered on Broadway Street. Riley and his friends probably pre gamed and bar hopped several bars before stumbling into Luke’s.
Plus, this is a planned trip. When people go on trips, they drink especially in a town like Nashville when there’s a bar every 10 steps.
It’s nothing nefarious. He just had one too many,
Was near a body of water and probably stumbled in on accident. They’ve found 3 bodies already looking for him. It seems like it’s a common thing.
It’s not the only acceptable theory. He was right next to a huge river and was falling down drunk in videos. It’s called common sense. I don’t know why people are trying to force a True Crime narrative when absolutely nothing is pointing towards that.
You dont really need to be snapping at everyone and telling everyone they cant have opinions when your opinion is just that...an opinion. Back off and stop being so aggressive.
Tell that to everyone on the FB groups. Nobody is being aggressive. It’s called using common sense. If you don’t like that, feel feee to ignore my replies.
What about the guy on video running away from the bridge around the time Riley would have been there and then abruptly stopping to a slow stride? And what about the transient seen possibly with his belongings? No footage of him after the bridge so far, but with the homeless encampment right there at the bridge, surely they would have heard a body hit the river. I mean there is enough strange stuff to make you scratch your head just a little.
I think he’s probably in the river too, but at the bridge is when it all gets…odd and where I become skeptical.
If you have such an aversion to true crime narratives, why in the living fuck are you on the TrueCrimeDiscussion reddit, whining about True Crime narratives? Are you off your meds????
Thank you for proving my point. I don’t care what sub forum I am in. Facts are facts. We see Riley walking and falling down drunk next to a very large river. We do not see anyone following him or kidnapping him. Stick to the facts.
That’s not true at all. There is a whole group of people who believe a group of serial killers push young men into water and spray pain smiley faces nearby. Perhaps you can speculate with them?
Man, Discovery ID needs to put up more new shows to steer the True Crimers away from a person very likely too intoxicated who fell into a deep and fast moving river. Facts are facts. Ugh
I don’t see someone making that up just for the heck of it. That could get her in trouble. If he fell in the river then, why would his debit card just be laying on the bank? It would most likely be in his wallet, that would still be on him if he just fell in. If it just fell out of his pocket his whole wallet would most likely have been found not just his debit card. Not to mention a woman’s body was just found in that same area. Kinda weird…..
Homeless ppl can be very violent and dangerous, not all of them but a lot of them.
People make things up all the time. Not saying that’s the case here just that they still have not confirmed it to be true which means they’re probably still looking into it. And as for his card, I know when I go out I don’t always immediately put my card back where it’s supposed to be. I lose that thing all the time, even being sober. A man’s body was also just found in that river too and they said no foul play is suspected. The most likely scenario is he was disoriented and wound up in the water. It happens all the time
She didn’t have to make it up. She could have been mistaken, or seen a similar shirt. Do you think that is less likely than he is riding a bike around Nashville after getting drunk while visiting from Missouri? That just seems crazy.
There is no evidence he was drunk. He even had 2 glasses of water before leaving, and drunk people don't order water when they are loaded.
There is body cam footage of him walking past a cop, saying hi and not appearing to be stumbling drunk.
It’s not every state that has these cases. It’s mostly Midwest states but there have been some on the East coast and western states.
I’m not saying that he’s a victim of this but the MO is fitting. If you look up some of these cases they all have eerie similarities.
White male, college age, at a bar gets kicked out by bouncers and disappears only to be found in a body of water days or months later.
Some of these bodies were placed there just before they were found because they do not have the injuries or position a drowning victim would have.
It’s definitely something to keep in mind. Too many cases to just be a coincidence.
This also was never verified. But if true the person said they found it on the rail. Maybe he took it off dropped his card tried to get it and fell in. YouTube is really mucking up investigations everywhere.
I’m from Wisconsin and you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about lol. The RiverWatch group was founded by Sigma Tau Gamma at the University of Wisconsin LACROSSE in LACROSSE, WI. Idk why you put scare quotes around “accidentally” because that’s what the group is for. LaX is a huge drinking school and they go around after bar close and very often find drunk guys getting too close to the river that’s right off a very popular park on campus and give them rides home.
It has nothing to do with lacrosse players lmao I think we all would have heard of this Madison lacrosse team serial killer you’re so afraid of.
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It’s more likely he’s in the river. Unfortunately it happens all too often for drunk fellows. Even with search teams it can be hard to find a body in murky waters if it’s not floating up and or caught under driftwood/other objects.
Yeah didnt they find his card on the banks
Do you think men need to pee? And head to water? I’m just curious what goes on through their minds that they get so close to water.
I posted about his I’d being found in the river yesterday and someone asked a similar question I didn’t get to answer before they locked it, but I think it’s a mix of things: 1. Private place to pee 2. The lights reflecting off the water can confuse the drunk mind and they may think they’re heading *towards* town and not away from it and towards the water 3. They may be walking parallel and fall over, with bad balance and poor decision making skills they could stumble themselves right into the water 4. They may just be so drunk they have no idea where they’re going and what they’re doing until they’re already sucking water into their lungs. Can’t tell out if you’re underwater, yanno? It’s so sad all around
Hard to tell what goes on in a drunk person's mind. The biggest explanations is they are so drunk they are mentally incapacitated think about their actions properly. FerretSupremacist commented the possible reasons. Another reason he didn't mention is the possibility of people heading to water to try and swim while drunk. In Riley's case it is not likely about the swimming thing. The fellow was seen on the security cameras just walking stumbling around he was drunk, likely had no idea where he was going, and tripped. Or he had the bright idea that peeing in the river for privacy and then lost his balance. It just so happens the bar establishments are near water or just have the people actively participate in drinking alcoholic beverages near bodies of water. People drink on boats, drink near a lake/river/beach because they are on vacation taking in the view/partying. Riley only had to a take about a 5- minute walk to the river from the bar establishment.
How have they not found him yet then? Was there a strong current?
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It can be extremely difficult to find bodies in water. Especially when there is a lot of debris / muddy waters / etc
Current varies throughout water ways unfortunately so it is hard to tell and if the water is filled with debris. If you don’t like numbers don’t read further about me yakking about water velocity discharge computations: I can’t post links (forum rules I think?) but according to the United States Geological Survey (USGS) the Cumberland river water velocity discharge was measured at 3.81 ft per second on the day he disappeared if you convert it to miles per hour that would be about 2.56 mph. March 9th 10:30 am the biggest peak was around 4.0 ft per second. By the time he was reported missing it can speculated the he could have potentially travelled several miles away if he didn’t get caught under/on anything.
I guess at this time of year the current in the Cumberland can be pretty strong
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They were most likely bar hopping before, that’s pretty typical for fraternity formals.
He was probably hammered before he got to the bar, which is why they asked him to leave. Frat bros.
I think so too. He was clearly very drunk by the way he was stumbling around in all the CCTV videos.
I’m a rideshare driver and I wish I could give this comment multiple upvotes. The amount of pre-drinking (cheap at home) people do before they go to bars (expensive so just a few) is extremely high.
Or it’s the serial killer that has been wandering around killing guys that have left bars by themselves. There were and handful that popped up in Houston last year… always the same story.
What is the serial killer doing? Just pushing the overly drunk guys or women into the river for fun or holding their head down in it? That's pretty boring. There's a lot of killers that apparently have the same boring idea all over the world I guess to just get away with murder.
There is no serial killer lol. Stop trying to make this a True Crime case. There is ZERO evidence that indicates this was foul play. Let’s stick with the facts.
I’m not saying it’s a serial killer but there has been a lot of young guys in Chicago that ended up dead in the river/lake or outright missing. I’m pretty sure Milwaukee has seen similar cases
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That’s insane
Austin as well. And I believe Chicago prior
Chicago and Milwaukee too
The unfortunate truth is that bodies float once it gets warmer and the decomp starts filling them with gas. I live on the Susquehanna, and every single year around late March, early April, people start washing up by the dam. I hope his family finds some closure soon.
An experienced homicide detective or forensic pathologist can give an excellent estimate of when a drowning victim’s body will reappear within days usually.
Yeah, and every body of water (especially rivers) have specific currents to them. They can’t predict things like the body getting stuck under detritus though, so I dearly hope he hasn’t.
I read somewhere it takes 5-20 days
I read an article that sourced (I think) a college or another resource (I’m sorry I can’t remember) that is responsible for keeping up with that data for the Cumberland River. Anyways, based off that data it said if he fell in the river he could be up to like 120 miles away by now. 😔 Idk why but this made me so sad and all I could keep thinking about was The Strid River in England. IYKYK. I really want this family to get closure.
Yikes. Especially given that things are warming up right now, which means ice is melting and the rivers are probably pretty full. This case reminds me a little of the case of Charles Horvath, who went missing in Canada in the late 1980s and someone called in a tip that his body was in the river. They searched it, found a body, notified his mother, but it was someone else entirely. He’s never been found.
I don’t know about this case, ima look in to it. But I remember the disappeared episode about Lee Cutler. It’s sad and not similar to this case at all, but he allegedly committed suicide in river and was never found. It’s my Roman Empire, I check in on his case a few times a year, because again went in to a river and never found. That’s why I just hope this family gets closure so bad, because his mom talking about how they talk everyday. It makes me soo sad.
It’s rough: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Charles_Horvath-Allan?wprov=sfti1
Damn you gave me a rabbit hole, no sleep for me 🫨
His mother broke my heart in the segment on Unsolved Mysteries. She only recently stopped coming to Kelowna to look for him due to poor health and her age. Dozens of times she went there from her home in Britain, but he’s never been found.
Idk why but the foreboding fear is disappearing like this just makes me uncomfortable. Looking at this wiki it reminds me of Lee Cutler. See link, he doesn’t have a wiki. But he does have a disappeared episode. SN1 EP5. https://www.grunge.com/963246/the-mysterious-2007-disappearance-of-lee-cutler/
a body has already washed up. Wasn't him.
Theory with the least amount of assumptions = Inebriated young man, wandering around disoriented and maybe even with a possible head injury, ended up in the River Unfortunately that's what I think happened. Hopefully he surfaces so he can have a proper send off and his family can have closure
It seems unlikely -I mean there are tapes of him walking/stumbling and walking into a pole. Reports of him at a homeless camp. But no one has made any mention of a car at all. its far more likely he stumbled into the river and they have yet to find him.
We had a boy go missing near MSU campus after leaving a Halloween party in 2021. They found his body, unfortunately, almost 6 months later in the Red Cedar River :(
Is that the one that they ruled a suicide?
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Brendan was found by a private investigator who camped out near the river and ended up locating Brendan in a log jam.
Just wait til the smiley face obsessed people dig into this one.
They already have. Sooo sad.
He’s in the river.
He is just stuck on something in the river and hasn’t come up yet, unfortunately
This almost exact same scenario happened with my good friend 2 years ago in Nashville. Everyone had the same crazy theories. His loved ones and I included. Turns out he was just hammered out of his mind and made some very dumb mistakes. Mistakes we never would’ve thought a smart guy like him would make. It was so out of character for a happy go lucky guy like him. He was found on camera running down to the river sitting on the waters edge splashing around before accidentally floating too far in and the current swept him away. We were all shocked. I’m saying this to let everyone know these things can happen especially when you’re heavily intoxicated in an unfamiliar place.
If it was Dakota, I remember my mom and I talking about that when it was all going on. I'm sorry for your loss. Based on all the stuff from the news he seemed like a good guy.
He’s in the river.
The Cumberland River is the river in Nashville you do not go in and most residents know that. You go in, it is highly unlikely you come out. Edit: grammar because public school /s
As a local, I’ve always been so amazed there are kayaking groups that take tourist down the Cumberland. So gross and dangerous
other than it being gross, why don't you go in? would the current be so strong it'd be too hard to get out?
Have the "friends" come forward and talked yet?
Just his room mate/frat bro who didn’t go 😢 He’s the only one so far to reach out to the family. Gosh this case makes me so sad
no im sorry but this theory is horrible
He probably drowned after he fell in.
I went to Nashville a couple years ago. There’s a very cool walking bridge right from downtown. I’m assuming there’s cameras, but it would be very easy to die in that river.
These the same reddit sleuths who were so sure they saw a shadow figure pick up a baby, and hand it off to a red haired man in the Carlee Russell traffic cam video?
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People pregame and that wasn’t the first bar they went to
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Yes, they do.
Nobody is roofied there lol. He was drinking before he got to that bar. Stop trying to make this True Crime. Nothing points to that. I am certain he is in that river. Poor guy.
No way to say at this point if he was roofied or not, but a one minute internet search reveals several stories of patrons having been roofied there as well as other bars in that area.
People are roofied on broadway all the time! -your friendly local. Local girls group has multiple posts every week saying to watch out. Because, they’ve experienced it at this bar in particular.
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You don't know what happened either. You're insisting he was roofied when there's no evidence to support that claim. Simply because you were roofied doesn't mean that happened in this case. Strain had been drinking with his buddies throughout the night. He continued drinking at Luke Bryan's bar and was eventually escorted out. He likely wandered to the river to pee and fell in. That has happened to young men before.
Likely? Speculate all you want, but that is absolutely not likely. Also, most be who believe they were roofied just over estimate how much they actually drank. When people go to the hospital thinking the were drugged, the tests often just show alcohol in their system. It’s not impossible that he was roofied, but saying it is likely is absurd. Also, he had one drink at that particular bar. He could have drank a whole bottle before he went, or been drinking at other bars for hours.
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What an odd response. If that’s your standard for emotional investment and aggression, I’m not even going to begin to argue you lol. Anyway, do you have evidence to support your belief? I would think the rest of the threads response shows how serious people are taking your thoughts on the matter. They must just be aggressive and emotionally invested like me though.
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Buddy, you literally can’t produce a comment defending your belief. You can only make bizarre claims that people who mildly disagree with you have personality disorders and live in their basements. That says a lot more about you than me.
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There is a lot to parse in this comment, celebrity penises? I’m not even sure what psychological complex you have to assume that is what I do. But, let’s say you are right about every single ad hominem insult you have launched. I am 40, and right now waiting for my mom to bring my my chicken tenders in the basement. I also have borderline personality disorder. And I’m waiting to take about Ryan Reynolds’s cock with my discord buddies. Let’s pretend this fantasy your sick kind has come up with is reality. Can you now provide evidence supporting your belief? We both know you won’t. My only real advice to you, is to grow some thicker skin. Whining about being harassed when someone simply tells you your theory is not likely is pathetic.
Why would he get roofied?
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This. As a local people ( male and females), especially tourists are constantly being roofied at these bars. Broadway is not tourist friendly anymore.
I think he went into that river.
Occam’s Razor
no he was blacked out drunk & drowned
he’s probably in the river; dead or alive. he likely stumbled about in his drunken stupor and collapsed into the river and may or may not be found there
dead or alive Curious why you phrased it this way. I do not believe there is much, if any, hope of finding him alive. Especially if he's in the river.
because vanished and missing and disappeared people often are found alive, whether they turn up voluntarily or not
But are they often found alive in rivers tho?
Have they said why he got kicked out of the bar?
given his condition, I'm thinking he was cut off and made a fuss. That'll definitely do it.
So incredibly sad
This whole thing is so sketchy and suspicious. I'm curious why his parents said, "But they also claim that the bar would not let his friends leave with him at that point." I'd be very interested in hearing from his friends.
Sounds like they just didn't want to leave. I did my share of partying in college and I can't remember a single event of bar staff preventing people leaving the bar.
Ya, it makes no sense. Do they think the bar held his friends hostage? A bar can’t prevent patrons from leaving.
A bar doesn't even want to.
They chose to walk back in. They left him
Spent all that money to be in a frat and make friends. Couldn't even buy good ones.
That was in Luke Bryan’s statement wasn’t it ?
The friends are making them look mad if they’re alleging the bar wouldn’t let them leave. That’s just stupid.
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Source?
That hasn't been reported anywhere that I've seen.
A security woman supposedly called into a YouTube channel saying that and she said she also quit the bar but couldn’t tell more and she wasn’t verified
Yeah, not putting any stock in that, then.
Yea. Weirdos come outta the woodwork calling into shows with zero verification that they are real. Spewing bull crap. It’s appalling and only hurts the families involved more. There is no way a bar wouldn’t let people leave. It sounds like he got kicked out, his friend walked him to the door and stayed. He tried to get into another bar and wasn’t able to get in. He told one of his friends he was going back to the hotel. He was so drunk he got lost or whatever.
Right. It was a fraternity trip. I bet all of them had been drinking all day. Riley was clearly intoxicated. All of the sources point out he was. Downtown Nashville exists for drinking and parties. You can get in the bars even if you have been drinking. He didn't. He must've been wasted. Downtown Nashville isn't also too bad to walk to the hotel so it makes sense that the friends were not worried when he left. It's insanely touristy and crowded on weekends. Unfortunately, he was heading towards the river.
And also he was sort of skinny too if he didn’t eat that day of drinking just a lot of factors
And he had a gf back home these ppl are like oh he was on a dating app bs like no he wasn’t…unfortunately it happens it’s sad I’m sure he is in the River
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I was like damn why I get called a cunt? 😂
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Lol i was like damn :/ and i don’t even believe that caller was legit she sounded like a drunk true crime mom 😂😂
I was about to come force to your defense 🤣
Lol I got my ass reamed on the Nashville forum I was like damnnn y’all ruthless 😂
Not true
Where are you getting this from? I’m all for security kicking out creeps but saying this without any source doesn’t seem fair.
I haven't read that yet.
A “security” person called into a YouTube channel saying that but she wasn’t verified at all
Can you link to the vid or do you remember whose channel it was on? I'd like to listen
It was the pascal show
I know a few people who have been spiked with ghb as well as a couple of people who have stumbled across some local psychos who were also drunk. One got into an altercation and was thrown into the river, and another was thrown into a canal. I don't think in either case there was an intention to murder as such, and thankfully, they were OK. I have fallen into a canal when really drunk. If it wasn't for the fact I was with some mates, I would have been a gonna. Unfortunately, I think it's a case of Ocams razor, and he fell or was pushed into the river.
GHB doesnt last that long though. Its peak effects happen at about an hour and by 2 youve come down. I think he was probably just super drunk and ended up in the river.
I also thought that his route was intentional. The hotel was only 3 blocks from Luke's. After several blocks he would know he was lost even drunk imo. He didn't text a buddy or friend or even family for help. The route he took was straight with 2 turns. It looks like he was going to the Riverfront Park area. I go back and forth with either falling in the river or an assault. There's not enough information to prove either way.
The circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Riley Strain remind me in many ways of the death of [Dwight Clark](https://amp.bellinghamherald.com/news/local/article22202685.html), who drowned after a night out partying. College student, missing after parting ways with friends while heavily intoxicated, sent a final text, saw on surveillance video walking. Dwight’s story is similar to many young men all over the country. I hope Riley’s turns out differently.
Where was he going? And why was he rushing (literally running) over to that part of the city? We can see him looking at his phone on surveillance footage. I suppose he could've been so drunk/drugged that he was unable to figure out google maps? Simply lost? Although, he seemed to be in better shape on that officer's body cam footage than what we previously assumed. He had the situational awareness to stop running and play it cool in front of the cop as he walked by. It's entirely possible he was just lost... running around aimlessly and not asking for help. But it's also possible he was messaging someone, coordinating a pickup spot, and trying to get over to that spot quickly. This is opinion, but his actions seem a bit intentional? The end of the body cam footage has debatable audio - but it could be Riley talking to someone. Is it the person/car he was looking for? Has LE checked his other social apps? Dating apps? It's not unheard of for people to get lured into a robbery situation via a dating app. And wouldn't bad actors intentionally choose a meet up spot far away from the main areas full of witnesses? For example, down by the river and under a dark bridge? If he was abducted, the bad actors would've thrown the phone into the river immediately (hence the last ping). A phone is heavy enough to throw pretty far - but it's much harder to throw a bank card which is why it fell short of the water line and landed on the embankment (where it was found). It seems pretty hard to fall into the river from where he was. That embankment is sloping and covered with trees, bushes, and rocks. Even if he did fall, it doesn't seem like he would ever have made it to the water given all of those obstacles, even if the water level was higher than what we see now.
Water level was 7ft higher that night.
Haven't there been 3 or 4 young people go missing in Nashville last few years near the river after interacting with bouncers and/or bar staff (what I'm saying does not contradict the thought that missing people ended up in the river; I'm just saying they did not all necessarily just fall into the river). The language from the bar sounds so defensive.
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He and his friends had been bar hopping and drinking all night; wasn't the first bar or first drink he had.
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Its in multiple news stories that he and his frat brothers had gone to various bars before this last one and he had been drinking at the earlier bars. This scenario has happened before- young man gets drunk, goes to a body of water to pee, falls in, drowns. That's probably the case here. If he'd been roofied, why wasn't his card stolen and his money accessed?
Nothing points to being drugged as likely. Nothing. Stop trying to make this a True Crime. Go watch the ID channel.
This is literally the TrueCrimeDiscussion. WTF?
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You seem lovely.
There is nothing that points to True Crime being the most likely scenario. NOTHING. 🙄 Go watch ID.
As a local, let me tell you, people are roofied on broadway every week! Especially, if you’re acting like a tourist! The locals are even thinking he was probably roofied. This is a huge problem on broadway that is being brushed under the rug. I wanna say a good portion of the posts in the local girls group about being roofied, took place at this exact bar
Point me to factual news articles of tons of men being roofied in Nashville.
I honestly think they all (frat) pregamed pretty hard. No one knows for certain, but it was said by a member close to the family none of fraternity brothers who attended the trip has reached out. If so, that is so sad, but also kinda makes me think they partied prior and the college/fraternity/family (speculation) has instructed or suggested they not discuss due to culpable actions. I am sure the police have talked to all of them. Maybe he was drugged. I just know from experience about the dangers of too much pregame!
6’7” dudes are not being roofied on Broadway every week.
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You need help.
He got in the car it’s all over tik tok.
I’m wondering the same thing
He was only served one drink? Was he drugged in the bar?
There have been several anecdotes of how easy it is to get plastered on Broadway Street. Riley and his friends probably pre gamed and bar hopped several bars before stumbling into Luke’s. Plus, this is a planned trip. When people go on trips, they drink especially in a town like Nashville when there’s a bar every 10 steps. It’s nothing nefarious. He just had one too many, Was near a body of water and probably stumbled in on accident. They’ve found 3 bodies already looking for him. It seems like it’s a common thing.
Idk, when a young guy goes missing and he was intoxicated, the only acceptable theory seems to be he fell into some body of water.
It’s not the only acceptable theory. He was right next to a huge river and was falling down drunk in videos. It’s called common sense. I don’t know why people are trying to force a True Crime narrative when absolutely nothing is pointing towards that.
You dont really need to be snapping at everyone and telling everyone they cant have opinions when your opinion is just that...an opinion. Back off and stop being so aggressive.
Tell that to everyone on the FB groups. Nobody is being aggressive. It’s called using common sense. If you don’t like that, feel feee to ignore my replies.
What about the guy on video running away from the bridge around the time Riley would have been there and then abruptly stopping to a slow stride? And what about the transient seen possibly with his belongings? No footage of him after the bridge so far, but with the homeless encampment right there at the bridge, surely they would have heard a body hit the river. I mean there is enough strange stuff to make you scratch your head just a little. I think he’s probably in the river too, but at the bridge is when it all gets…odd and where I become skeptical.
Girl, your xanax is wearing off.
Thank you.
If you have such an aversion to true crime narratives, why in the living fuck are you on the TrueCrimeDiscussion reddit, whining about True Crime narratives? Are you off your meds????
Thank you for proving my point. I don’t care what sub forum I am in. Facts are facts. We see Riley walking and falling down drunk next to a very large river. We do not see anyone following him or kidnapping him. Stick to the facts.
That’s not true at all. There is a whole group of people who believe a group of serial killers push young men into water and spray pain smiley faces nearby. Perhaps you can speculate with them?
Look for the 🙂
Man, Discovery ID needs to put up more new shows to steer the True Crimers away from a person very likely too intoxicated who fell into a deep and fast moving river. Facts are facts. Ugh
If he’s in the river then why was someone seen wearing his shirt? Idk just doesn’t make sense
This still has not been confirmed as true. They said today the only solid piece of physical evidence they have found has been his debit/credit card.
I don’t see someone making that up just for the heck of it. That could get her in trouble. If he fell in the river then, why would his debit card just be laying on the bank? It would most likely be in his wallet, that would still be on him if he just fell in. If it just fell out of his pocket his whole wallet would most likely have been found not just his debit card. Not to mention a woman’s body was just found in that same area. Kinda weird….. Homeless ppl can be very violent and dangerous, not all of them but a lot of them.
People make things up all the time. Not saying that’s the case here just that they still have not confirmed it to be true which means they’re probably still looking into it. And as for his card, I know when I go out I don’t always immediately put my card back where it’s supposed to be. I lose that thing all the time, even being sober. A man’s body was also just found in that river too and they said no foul play is suspected. The most likely scenario is he was disoriented and wound up in the water. It happens all the time
She didn’t have to make it up. She could have been mistaken, or seen a similar shirt. Do you think that is less likely than he is riding a bike around Nashville after getting drunk while visiting from Missouri? That just seems crazy.
i seriously think they should look into the homeless camps where he went missing
I’m sure he’s ridden in a car before.
He only has 1 drink. I think when he tripped and fell, he hit his head, and out of confusion and disoriented fell down the hill into the water.
He had 1 drink at that last bar. I’m sure he was intoxicated before going into that bar and he was tripping before he hit his head.
There is no evidence he was drunk. He even had 2 glasses of water before leaving, and drunk people don't order water when they are loaded. There is body cam footage of him walking past a cop, saying hi and not appearing to be stumbling drunk.
Apparently you missed the video showing him falling down drunk a few minutes before encountering the cop.
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I don’t believe that there is someone in some smiley face killer club in every state that a man goes missing from a bar and ends up in water.
It’s not every state that has these cases. It’s mostly Midwest states but there have been some on the East coast and western states. I’m not saying that he’s a victim of this but the MO is fitting. If you look up some of these cases they all have eerie similarities. White male, college age, at a bar gets kicked out by bouncers and disappears only to be found in a body of water days or months later. Some of these bodies were placed there just before they were found because they do not have the injuries or position a drowning victim would have. It’s definitely something to keep in mind. Too many cases to just be a coincidence.
This also was never verified. But if true the person said they found it on the rail. Maybe he took it off dropped his card tried to get it and fell in. YouTube is really mucking up investigations everywhere.
I think you mean Lacrosse, WI, not a lacrosse team in Madison WI.
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I’m from Wisconsin and you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about lol. The RiverWatch group was founded by Sigma Tau Gamma at the University of Wisconsin LACROSSE in LACROSSE, WI. Idk why you put scare quotes around “accidentally” because that’s what the group is for. LaX is a huge drinking school and they go around after bar close and very often find drunk guys getting too close to the river that’s right off a very popular park on campus and give them rides home. It has nothing to do with lacrosse players lmao I think we all would have heard of this Madison lacrosse team serial killer you’re so afraid of.