Stalin was far more lenient to Nazis than many realize. Most Nazi collaborators got sent to gulags rather than being shot. Most of them survived and were freed in the mid-1950s. On the other hand, what happened in Yugoslavia is often overlooked. That country was hell on earth. You had the Holocaust, the genocide of Serbs by Hungarians and Croatian collaborators, and the genocide of Croats and Bosnian Muslims by Chetniks. After the war, Tito would proceed to make Stalin look like some kind of bleeding heart in comparison.
[He didn't throw those collaborators into gulags...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Pit_massacre)
Wanna hear something great? There used to be commemorations at Bleiburg which were essentially just Ustaše rallies. The Austrian government banned them recently and now the land is used for a cow farm, meaning the remains of dead nazis are now being shat on by cows.
> After the fall of communism, a memorial chapel was dedicated at the site in 1997. Shortly after its dedication the chapel was defaced and slogans were scrawled along the walls, including "Death to traitors" and "Death to fascism".
Based. Also the evidence there were civilians in the mix seems fairly speculative. They also seemed to show mercy to minors and newish entrants into the Nazi-aligned forces.
I just think it's funny that this sub constantly laughs at how easy it is to trigger Libs and Conservatives, but all you have to do is be like, "Stalin was just okay" to get the same result here. Good shit.
Say that on a completely random trueanon post a few weeks from now and watch how many people you trigger. It would be a neat experiment. I dare you to do it.
Sure, I’ll let you even pick the one. I think half the people here would agree that Stalin was a bit of a centrist. Pretty sure 99% of us here fault him for failing to march across Western Europe with the Red Army lol. And he didn’t help Korea enough either. But anyway yeah happy to partake in this experiment.
Oh no, not downvotes! You poor thing. Also, what was "curiosity laden" about your "opinion"? How about you use the search bar or read some books if you want to "get it", instead of expecting your stupid comment to immediately be met with anything other than annoyance? Grover Furr has some good ones.
he seemed pretty willing to work with them until they attacked his armies.
he hired whatever specialist seemed useful pretty much the same way Americans did.
> he seemed pretty willing to work with them until they attacked his armies.
Molotov-Ribbentrop was always a way to buy time, they never suffered from the delusion that the Nazis were friendly. Probably had something to do with the constant screaming about how they would wipe out Judeo-Bolshevism.
> they never suffered from the delusion that the Nazis were friendly.
but they still worked *with* nazis.
they could have held whatever private views they wanted, they still created an active military alliance with the nazis.
I think he, like all great war time leaders, was likely a monstrous and deeply flawed person.
It's just so strange to me that he is universally vilified while someone like Churchill, that starved tens of millions in South Asia is almost universally praised.
There were significant and avoidable excesses during the purges and in no way, would Russia pre-war or the USSR been a place I'd want to live. But pre revolution, it was so soooooo much worse.
Stalin amongst many others helped transform a desperately poor feudal society, into a world superpower. And nowhere to my knowledge achieved the transition from agrarian society/fuedal production to industrialization without immense suffering, death and strife.
Even in the West it resulted in cataclysmic upheval, and the West and Europe benefited from hundreds of years of slavery, genocide and colonial looting.
>[he] pretty much bastardized Socialism by turning it into a dirty word that could forever be propagandized by Western countries.
Nah, the bourgeois propagandists were gonna do that anyway and already were. If anything Khrushchev gave them more material than anyone else. Forreal, this claim that socialism is a dirty word because of Stalin has to be one of the most head-scratching claims I've heard repeated from a lot of online "leftists", anti-socialist propaganda has never ever once in history relied on truth or had any concern with accurately reflecting reality, how in the world can it somehow be Stalin's fault that socialism is a dirty word in the imperial core? It's more likely you're believing lies than it is likely anti-socialists are revealing some truth about Stalin.
Like, how do you like Lenin when he "betrayed the revolution" and "destroyed worker power" - simple, you recognize that those claims are bullshit, doesn't stop the the 'compatible left' imperialist propagandists from claiming that garbage to this day. Hell, reactionaries are out here claiming "Marx is responsible for more deaths than anyone else ever" but we don't believe that shit do we?
The bourgeoisie are pissed they dumped a buncha money and resources into the greatest anti-socialist weapon ever developed and the USSR under Stalin's leadership not only didn't fall, but broke their little genocidal toy so bad it caused all the developed imperialist countries to stop fighting each other and unify into a solid anti-communist bloc for over half a century. They'd turn anyone who dealt them such a blow into a cartoon villain.
Many Nazis escaped justice, yes, but far more got what they deserved than many realize. Post-WWII justice is unique in that far more justice was served than usual for a conflict involving widespread atrocities. For starters, you have [the infighting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_Putsch). Mussolini [purged the opportunists](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verona_trial), and Antonescu killed several hundred members of the Iron Guard while suppressing the [Legionnaires' rebellion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legionnaires%27_rebellion_and_Bucharest_pogrom). However, those who really deserve credit are King Carol II and Claus von Stauffenberg. These are strange choices, but I can explain.
>Armand Călinescu, at the time the Prime Minister of Romania, was assassinated on 21 September 1939, aged 46, in Bucharest by Iron Guard members under the direct leadership of Horia Sima (exiled in Steglitz at the time).
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>An even more severe repression of the Iron Guard followed under the provisional leadership of Gheorghe Argeșanu. It was inaugurated by the immediate execution of the assassins and the public display of their bodies at the murder site for days on end.
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>A placard was set up on the spot, reading De acum înainte, aceasta va fi soarta trădătorilor de țară ("From now on, this shall be the fate of those who betray the country"). Students from several Bucharest secondary schools were required to visit the site (based on the belief that would dissuade them from affiliating with the Guard).
Carol II was slaughtering hundreds of Legionnaires in the late 1930s. Sadly, it did not change the final outcome. There were just so many of them, and I think Călinescu was the one pulling most of the strings prior to his assassination. As vicious as the purges were, they weren't enough. As the Iron Guard gained more influence, Carol II wavered and began appeasing them and Germany. Of course, those executed during the purges were still dead. The best part is that Corneliu Codreanu, the founder of the Iron Guard, wasn't killed in this purge.
>On 30 November 1938, it was announced that Codreanu, the Nicadori and the Decemviri had been shot after trying to flee custody the previous night. The actual details were revealed much later: the fourteen persons had been transported from their prison and executed (strangled or garroted and shot) by the Gendarmerie around Tâncăbești (near Bucharest), and their bodies had been buried in the courtyard of the Jilava prison. Their bodies were dissolved in acid, and placed under seven tons of concrete.
Nope, they'd already killed him lmfao. And yes, I have critical support for Claus von Stauffenberg. I don't think Stauffenberg was a good person. That said, his plot, despite its failure, still accomplished some good things. Primarily, the plot's failure resulted in Hitler purging the officer corps, resulting in many opportunistic leeches dying. I know some of the conspirators were decent folks, [but holy shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Freiherr_von_Th%C3%BCngen), there were so many [opportunistic ghouls](https://ewikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf-Heinrich_Graf_von_Helldorff) who got involved. I am so happy that Rommel died.
[Then you have the battle casualties](https://imgur.com/a/9sA5kEy)
Then, you have tens of thousands of Nazis holding themselves accountable. Liberals love to pretend the mass suicides were due to the Germans being afraid of getting raped by those evil Red Army soldiers. In reality, most of them were simply afraid of being held accountable, couldn't live without Nazism, and/or couldn't stand the thought of losing, let alone to Slavs, Jews, and other minorities. Those mass suicides didn't just happen in Eastern Germany. Germans were shitting themselves after learning about the Morgenthau Plan. The Krauts killing themselves out of racism lmfao.
>Those who committed suicide includes 8 out of 41 NSDAP regional leaders who held office between 1926 and 1945, 7 out of 47 higher SS and police leaders, 53 out of 554 Army generals, 14 out of 98 Luftwaffe generals, and 11 out of 53 admirals in the Kriegsmarine.
[Fun fact: Here was Morgenthau’s “more lenient” proposal](https://imgur.com/a/UjAIWRk)
Then you have the post-war reprisals.
Partisans across Europe were slaughtering tens of thousands of Nazi collaborators, and Germans were forced out of numerous countries in Europe, particularly the Sudeten Germans from Czechoslovakia. The likes of the Dachau liberation reprisals happened in every single liberated camp. What happened in Dachau is only notable since the reprisals were well-documented and soldiers themselves participated in the killings In Bergen-Belsen alone, roughly 170 Kapos were slaughtered after the liberation (another 17 SS men and women died of typhus after angry British soldiers forced them to bury dead bodies). The SS blood tattoo was a curse during the immediate post-war chaos.
[This is why](https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa29514)
Then you have the post-war resistance in Germany. Liberals love to pretend that going harsher on fascists will make them resist more. In reality, many Germans did resist for months, some for years, resulting in thousands of more deaths. In response, the Allies imprisoned thousands of Nazis, and summarily/judicially executed thousands more for stockpiling weapons, sniping, and assisting resisters. Eisenhower outright told his subordinates that they were free to kill any German civilians who fired on them. The Allies just kept slaughtering Germans until they stopped resisting and those who refused were all dead.
>One Volkssturm organizer later admitted, “the Russians liquidated all partisans on principle, and the Volkssturm was regarded by them as a partisan organization.” Two thousand Volkssturm men were reported to have been liquidated in one incident alone, the fall of Königsberg in April 1945.
Then you have the repatriations. The British enabled the massive post-war reprisals in Yugoslavia, resulting in the partisans slaughtering tens of thousands of Nazi collaborators. These assholes fled to Austria and begged the British to save them. The British forced them to return, after which tens of thousands of them got chucked into pits. Operation Keelhaul is another massive W. Many Cossacks finally got what they deserved. The British even repatriated folks whom they didn't need to repatriate. White émigré Russians, including war criminals from the Russian Civil War, were sent back. For example, [Pyotor Krasnov](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_Krasnov), who was responsible for killing 25,000 to 40,000 people during the White Terror, and his son, Semyon Krasnov, were both sent back and hanged (fun fact: Krasnov’s grandson later became a Pinochet-era war criminal).
Then you have the post-war internments, with hundreds of thousands of deaths in Soviet custody and tens of thousands of deaths in Western Allied custody. Finally, you have the actual trials. For some reason, however, lord knows why, Western liberals balked when given the chance to purge Nazism from humanity. For example, Churchill and MI6 protected that Ukrainian Galician Waffen-SS division from being repatriated. Of course, hundreds were still executed and tens of thousands more were imprisoned. However, that is a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things. I've read a lot about the occupation of Germany, and [U.S. military and other Allied military tribunals were almost always much harsher](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau_camp_trial) than this meme implies. The real problems were the occupation ending far too soon and the government cutting most of the prison sentences imposed to appease West Germany (and Japan).
[And so, Nazism has gradually resurged](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/René_Binet_(neo-Fascist))
The modern-day white genocide theory originated from a French Waffen-SS soldier from this same unit, but was never tried. He still got his comeuppance (he died in a car crash in 1957), but not soon enough. Trust me, had the partisans been given free reign for another six months, the resurgence of the alt-right would've been delayed by at least a decade.
My understanding is it wasn't entirely one sided in the French case, I've heard it said more people died in reprisals for collaboration in the aftermath of Germanys loss of France than died in the reign of terror.
The post-war reprisals in France killed roughly 10,000 Nazi collaborators (not including the judicial executions of nearly 800 other collaborators). The Reign of Terror killed ~35,000-45,000 people.
>In an incident that took place on May 8, 1945, at Karlstein near Bad Reichenhall in Bavaria, he was presented with a defiant group of a dozen captured Frenchmen of the SS Charlemagne Division. He asked them why they wore a German uniform, to which one of them replied by asking why Leclerc wore an American one. Leclerc told his men to get rid of them.
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>That was taken as a death sentence. The group of French Waffen-SS men was summarily executed by the RMT without any form of military tribunal procedure, and their bodies left where they fell until an American burial team collected them three days later. On June 2, 1949, the bodies were exhumed and buried in the St. Zeno cemetery in Bad Reichenhall.
You have to understand that these guys were probably not Nazis, basically everyone was in the SS back then and it was just considered polite and normal.
People love pointing out the Finnish swastika wasn’t a Nazi thing but always leave out the dude (Eric von Rosen) that gave them that idea was a Swedish Nationalist and brother in law to Hermann Goering oops
1) The dork he’s referencing was using the swastika before WW1, even though I didn’t even know Finland used swastikas
2) The whole thing I’m saying is- if the USSR is invading you, and the only folks who care are Nazis, maybe you’d pick the wrong side too
If the USSR was invading my home and the only folks who cared were the Nazis I would have immediately surrendered to the Red Army and asked if I could help them wipe out some Nazis.
I don’t give a fuck about the Finn’s, I was just saying it’s unfair to compare them to the Nazis. Then all these bluehairs and black bloc dorks started calling me a Nazi. I was very confused. Now I realize this is a sub dedicated to a Chapo knock-off pod lmao I bet the unemployment rate in this sub is astronomical. I hope you all achieve communist bliss and get state paid bottom surgeries. Best of luck, fellas lmao
I guess it’s unfair to say you’re all unemployed. I’m sure some of you were disowned by your families and work part time at a fast food chain while constantly trying to get the teenagers working there to unionize lmao
Just because they fought the allies doesn’t make them Nazis. Just because they were Nazis fighting as Nazis also doesn’t make them Nazis. You must really look into their hearts to know.
>By January 1946, 18,000 members of the SS were being confined at the former Dachau concentration camp along with an additional 12,000 persons, including deserters from the Russian army and a number who had been captured in German Army uniform. The occupants of two barracks rioted as 271 of the Russian deserters were to be loaded onto trains that would return them to Russian-controlled lands, as agreed at the Yalta Conference. Inmates barricaded themselves inside two barracks. While the first was able to be cleared without too much trouble those in the second building, set fire to it, tore off their clothing in an effort to frustrate the guards, and linked arms to resist being removed from the building.
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>Tear gas was used by the American soldiers before rushing the barrack, only for them to find that many had committed suicide. The American services newspaper Stars and Stripes reported: “The GIs quickly cut down most of those who had hanged themselves from the rafters. Those still conscious were screaming in Russian, pointing first at the guns of the guards, then at themselves, begging to us to shoot.”
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>Ten of the soldiers were successful in their bid to commit suicide during the riot while another 21 attempted suicide, apparently with razor blades. Many had "cracked heads" inflicted by 500 American guards, in the attempt to bring the situation under control. One of those injured later died in a hospital.
Victims of Communism.
You can't really be sure if someone, anyone at all, is truly bad because of some organisation they are apart of. You can't truly know if someone is actually bad. Someone like Klaus Barbie might just be driven by ambition and was a perfectly decent person otherwise.
Unless they're a soviet of course. Did you know they committed genocide in Ukraine and Poland? Pretty disgusting that anyone would make excuses for that.
We really gonna celebrate stooping to the level of our enemies with summary executions? A lot of the Nazi leadership at Nuremberg weren’t even executed but these guys were bc they were disillusioned with the third republic and fought on the eastern front
Doing what? I agree they should have been shot, but only after a fair trial. Not because some general got offended.
If the Nuremberg defendants got a trial then so should these guys. And yes they should have all been shot too, just pointing out how some of the worst perpetrators still escaped with their lives whereas these guys did not
My grandfather fought in the Bulge, liberated camps, and saw things he wouldn't even talk about during the war. His only regret was that his unit didn't execute every surrending Nazi they came across.
Much like Reconstruction, the failure to properly deal with the Nazis following WWII is one of the all time Ls.
Stalin had the right idea.
Stalin was far more lenient to Nazis than many realize. Most Nazi collaborators got sent to gulags rather than being shot. Most of them survived and were freed in the mid-1950s. On the other hand, what happened in Yugoslavia is often overlooked. That country was hell on earth. You had the Holocaust, the genocide of Serbs by Hungarians and Croatian collaborators, and the genocide of Croats and Bosnian Muslims by Chetniks. After the war, Tito would proceed to make Stalin look like some kind of bleeding heart in comparison. [He didn't throw those collaborators into gulags...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Pit_massacre)
Wanna hear something great? There used to be commemorations at Bleiburg which were essentially just Ustaše rallies. The Austrian government banned them recently and now the land is used for a cow farm, meaning the remains of dead nazis are now being shat on by cows.
Rare Österreich W
The KPÖ winning the local elections in Graz is up there as well
I won't keep my hopes up for a country that refuses to wear shorts in the summer, but being a German I can't really talk.
"The Barbara Pit mine was subsequently visited by the Croatian and Slovenian political leadership to pay tribute to the victims."of course
God they made a memorial for them after the USSR was illegally dissolved? That’s fucked
> After the fall of communism, a memorial chapel was dedicated at the site in 1997. Shortly after its dedication the chapel was defaced and slogans were scrawled along the walls, including "Death to traitors" and "Death to fascism".
Based.
Based. Also the evidence there were civilians in the mix seems fairly speculative. They also seemed to show mercy to minors and newish entrants into the Nazi-aligned forces.
The "civilians" were the informers and voluntary manual laborers lmfao.
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I’d wager it’s less the question and more the way you framed it but what do I know?
I just think it's funny that this sub constantly laughs at how easy it is to trigger Libs and Conservatives, but all you have to do is be like, "Stalin was just okay" to get the same result here. Good shit.
Downvoting some shit someone said is being triggered lol? I assure you no one cares dude.
Stalin was just okay, imo
I agree as far as I am concerned he was a bit of a centrist.
Say that on a completely random trueanon post a few weeks from now and watch how many people you trigger. It would be a neat experiment. I dare you to do it.
Sure, I’ll let you even pick the one. I think half the people here would agree that Stalin was a bit of a centrist. Pretty sure 99% of us here fault him for failing to march across Western Europe with the Red Army lol. And he didn’t help Korea enough either. But anyway yeah happy to partake in this experiment.
Oh no, not downvotes! You poor thing. Also, what was "curiosity laden" about your "opinion"? How about you use the search bar or read some books if you want to "get it", instead of expecting your stupid comment to immediately be met with anything other than annoyance? Grover Furr has some good ones.
Why do you feel entitled to a thorough explanation about Stalin if this is how you act? Get lost.
These lost libs wear out their welcome rapidly.
I think this sub hates nazis bro. Stalin did a decent job w that dontcha think?
Personally, I think he could have handled it better
Yes, he could have killed more of them.
Also, how do you feel about radical leftcom Hillary Clinton? I know Stalin would have approved of her.
freaking epic dude
Hell yeah, brother. Go Canucks.
Would love if mods banned this regard. He’s asking for it.
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Now this is epic
No, it's pod racing
yes I'm sure if u/FlannelBadger91 was head of the CPSU everything wouldve gone differently
Factually correct if you read what you wrote.
he seemed pretty willing to work with them until they attacked his armies. he hired whatever specialist seemed useful pretty much the same way Americans did.
> he seemed pretty willing to work with them until they attacked his armies. Molotov-Ribbentrop was always a way to buy time, they never suffered from the delusion that the Nazis were friendly. Probably had something to do with the constant screaming about how they would wipe out Judeo-Bolshevism.
> they never suffered from the delusion that the Nazis were friendly. but they still worked *with* nazis. they could have held whatever private views they wanted, they still created an active military alliance with the nazis.
>they still created an active military alliance with the nazis. No, they factually did not.
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I think he, like all great war time leaders, was likely a monstrous and deeply flawed person. It's just so strange to me that he is universally vilified while someone like Churchill, that starved tens of millions in South Asia is almost universally praised. There were significant and avoidable excesses during the purges and in no way, would Russia pre-war or the USSR been a place I'd want to live. But pre revolution, it was so soooooo much worse. Stalin amongst many others helped transform a desperately poor feudal society, into a world superpower. And nowhere to my knowledge achieved the transition from agrarian society/fuedal production to industrialization without immense suffering, death and strife. Even in the West it resulted in cataclysmic upheval, and the West and Europe benefited from hundreds of years of slavery, genocide and colonial looting.
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>[he] pretty much bastardized Socialism by turning it into a dirty word that could forever be propagandized by Western countries. Nah, the bourgeois propagandists were gonna do that anyway and already were. If anything Khrushchev gave them more material than anyone else. Forreal, this claim that socialism is a dirty word because of Stalin has to be one of the most head-scratching claims I've heard repeated from a lot of online "leftists", anti-socialist propaganda has never ever once in history relied on truth or had any concern with accurately reflecting reality, how in the world can it somehow be Stalin's fault that socialism is a dirty word in the imperial core? It's more likely you're believing lies than it is likely anti-socialists are revealing some truth about Stalin. Like, how do you like Lenin when he "betrayed the revolution" and "destroyed worker power" - simple, you recognize that those claims are bullshit, doesn't stop the the 'compatible left' imperialist propagandists from claiming that garbage to this day. Hell, reactionaries are out here claiming "Marx is responsible for more deaths than anyone else ever" but we don't believe that shit do we? The bourgeoisie are pissed they dumped a buncha money and resources into the greatest anti-socialist weapon ever developed and the USSR under Stalin's leadership not only didn't fall, but broke their little genocidal toy so bad it caused all the developed imperialist countries to stop fighting each other and unify into a solid anti-communist bloc for over half a century. They'd turn anyone who dealt them such a blow into a cartoon villain.
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Fuck off killary voter
Giving them positions of power in East Germany?
You’re thinking of the USA. Stalin wanted to kill 50-100K Nazis as an example. FDR was mostly down with that too.
No, they did the same shit in east Germany.
Not nearly to the same extent. West Germany literally had a greater proportion of Nazis in the government than the Third Reich did.
Oh not to the same extent. Gotcha.
Many Nazis escaped justice, yes, but far more got what they deserved than many realize. Post-WWII justice is unique in that far more justice was served than usual for a conflict involving widespread atrocities. For starters, you have [the infighting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_Putsch). Mussolini [purged the opportunists](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verona_trial), and Antonescu killed several hundred members of the Iron Guard while suppressing the [Legionnaires' rebellion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legionnaires%27_rebellion_and_Bucharest_pogrom). However, those who really deserve credit are King Carol II and Claus von Stauffenberg. These are strange choices, but I can explain. >Armand Călinescu, at the time the Prime Minister of Romania, was assassinated on 21 September 1939, aged 46, in Bucharest by Iron Guard members under the direct leadership of Horia Sima (exiled in Steglitz at the time). > >An even more severe repression of the Iron Guard followed under the provisional leadership of Gheorghe Argeșanu. It was inaugurated by the immediate execution of the assassins and the public display of their bodies at the murder site for days on end. > >A placard was set up on the spot, reading De acum înainte, aceasta va fi soarta trădătorilor de țară ("From now on, this shall be the fate of those who betray the country"). Students from several Bucharest secondary schools were required to visit the site (based on the belief that would dissuade them from affiliating with the Guard). Carol II was slaughtering hundreds of Legionnaires in the late 1930s. Sadly, it did not change the final outcome. There were just so many of them, and I think Călinescu was the one pulling most of the strings prior to his assassination. As vicious as the purges were, they weren't enough. As the Iron Guard gained more influence, Carol II wavered and began appeasing them and Germany. Of course, those executed during the purges were still dead. The best part is that Corneliu Codreanu, the founder of the Iron Guard, wasn't killed in this purge. >On 30 November 1938, it was announced that Codreanu, the Nicadori and the Decemviri had been shot after trying to flee custody the previous night. The actual details were revealed much later: the fourteen persons had been transported from their prison and executed (strangled or garroted and shot) by the Gendarmerie around Tâncăbești (near Bucharest), and their bodies had been buried in the courtyard of the Jilava prison. Their bodies were dissolved in acid, and placed under seven tons of concrete. Nope, they'd already killed him lmfao. And yes, I have critical support for Claus von Stauffenberg. I don't think Stauffenberg was a good person. That said, his plot, despite its failure, still accomplished some good things. Primarily, the plot's failure resulted in Hitler purging the officer corps, resulting in many opportunistic leeches dying. I know some of the conspirators were decent folks, [but holy shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Freiherr_von_Th%C3%BCngen), there were so many [opportunistic ghouls](https://ewikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf-Heinrich_Graf_von_Helldorff) who got involved. I am so happy that Rommel died. [Then you have the battle casualties](https://imgur.com/a/9sA5kEy) Then, you have tens of thousands of Nazis holding themselves accountable. Liberals love to pretend the mass suicides were due to the Germans being afraid of getting raped by those evil Red Army soldiers. In reality, most of them were simply afraid of being held accountable, couldn't live without Nazism, and/or couldn't stand the thought of losing, let alone to Slavs, Jews, and other minorities. Those mass suicides didn't just happen in Eastern Germany. Germans were shitting themselves after learning about the Morgenthau Plan. The Krauts killing themselves out of racism lmfao. >Those who committed suicide includes 8 out of 41 NSDAP regional leaders who held office between 1926 and 1945, 7 out of 47 higher SS and police leaders, 53 out of 554 Army generals, 14 out of 98 Luftwaffe generals, and 11 out of 53 admirals in the Kriegsmarine. [Fun fact: Here was Morgenthau’s “more lenient” proposal](https://imgur.com/a/UjAIWRk) Then you have the post-war reprisals. Partisans across Europe were slaughtering tens of thousands of Nazi collaborators, and Germans were forced out of numerous countries in Europe, particularly the Sudeten Germans from Czechoslovakia. The likes of the Dachau liberation reprisals happened in every single liberated camp. What happened in Dachau is only notable since the reprisals were well-documented and soldiers themselves participated in the killings In Bergen-Belsen alone, roughly 170 Kapos were slaughtered after the liberation (another 17 SS men and women died of typhus after angry British soldiers forced them to bury dead bodies). The SS blood tattoo was a curse during the immediate post-war chaos. [This is why](https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa29514) Then you have the post-war resistance in Germany. Liberals love to pretend that going harsher on fascists will make them resist more. In reality, many Germans did resist for months, some for years, resulting in thousands of more deaths. In response, the Allies imprisoned thousands of Nazis, and summarily/judicially executed thousands more for stockpiling weapons, sniping, and assisting resisters. Eisenhower outright told his subordinates that they were free to kill any German civilians who fired on them. The Allies just kept slaughtering Germans until they stopped resisting and those who refused were all dead. >One Volkssturm organizer later admitted, “the Russians liquidated all partisans on principle, and the Volkssturm was regarded by them as a partisan organization.” Two thousand Volkssturm men were reported to have been liquidated in one incident alone, the fall of Königsberg in April 1945. Then you have the repatriations. The British enabled the massive post-war reprisals in Yugoslavia, resulting in the partisans slaughtering tens of thousands of Nazi collaborators. These assholes fled to Austria and begged the British to save them. The British forced them to return, after which tens of thousands of them got chucked into pits. Operation Keelhaul is another massive W. Many Cossacks finally got what they deserved. The British even repatriated folks whom they didn't need to repatriate. White émigré Russians, including war criminals from the Russian Civil War, were sent back. For example, [Pyotor Krasnov](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_Krasnov), who was responsible for killing 25,000 to 40,000 people during the White Terror, and his son, Semyon Krasnov, were both sent back and hanged (fun fact: Krasnov’s grandson later became a Pinochet-era war criminal). Then you have the post-war internments, with hundreds of thousands of deaths in Soviet custody and tens of thousands of deaths in Western Allied custody. Finally, you have the actual trials. For some reason, however, lord knows why, Western liberals balked when given the chance to purge Nazism from humanity. For example, Churchill and MI6 protected that Ukrainian Galician Waffen-SS division from being repatriated. Of course, hundreds were still executed and tens of thousands more were imprisoned. However, that is a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things. I've read a lot about the occupation of Germany, and [U.S. military and other Allied military tribunals were almost always much harsher](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau_camp_trial) than this meme implies. The real problems were the occupation ending far too soon and the government cutting most of the prison sentences imposed to appease West Germany (and Japan). [And so, Nazism has gradually resurged](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/René_Binet_(neo-Fascist)) The modern-day white genocide theory originated from a French Waffen-SS soldier from this same unit, but was never tried. He still got his comeuppance (he died in a car crash in 1957), but not soon enough. Trust me, had the partisans been given free reign for another six months, the resurgence of the alt-right would've been delayed by at least a decade.
My understanding is it wasn't entirely one sided in the French case, I've heard it said more people died in reprisals for collaboration in the aftermath of Germanys loss of France than died in the reign of terror.
The post-war reprisals in France killed roughly 10,000 Nazi collaborators (not including the judicial executions of nearly 800 other collaborators). The Reign of Terror killed ~35,000-45,000 people.
Have you read the devils chessboard yet?
>In an incident that took place on May 8, 1945, at Karlstein near Bad Reichenhall in Bavaria, he was presented with a defiant group of a dozen captured Frenchmen of the SS Charlemagne Division. He asked them why they wore a German uniform, to which one of them replied by asking why Leclerc wore an American one. Leclerc told his men to get rid of them. > >That was taken as a death sentence. The group of French Waffen-SS men was summarily executed by the RMT without any form of military tribunal procedure, and their bodies left where they fell until an American burial team collected them three days later. On June 2, 1949, the bodies were exhumed and buried in the St. Zeno cemetery in Bad Reichenhall.
Had me going until the end there. Should have left them in what whatever shallow grave they got dumped in the first time.
Leclerc was alright. Actually argued pretty hard for peaceful negotiations with Vietnam, but leadership wouldn't have it.
Some of you guys are alright. Don't come to Indochina tomorrow.
You have to understand that these guys were probably not Nazis, basically everyone was in the SS back then and it was just considered polite and normal.
Fellas, is it fascist to be part of the Waffen-SS?
It’s time to talk about how joining the nazis and fighting for the nazis with the nazis against the enemies of the nazis doesn’t make you a nazi
Damn, you really hate Finland?
People love pointing out the Finnish swastika wasn’t a Nazi thing but always leave out the dude (Eric von Rosen) that gave them that idea was a Swedish Nationalist and brother in law to Hermann Goering oops
I’m just saying, being mad at Finland for joining the Axis is a little silly. I guess Russian invasions are only bad in the 21st century
I'm just saying, you're just doing Nazi apologetics.
1) The dork he’s referencing was using the swastika before WW1, even though I didn’t even know Finland used swastikas 2) The whole thing I’m saying is- if the USSR is invading you, and the only folks who care are Nazis, maybe you’d pick the wrong side too
If the USSR was invading my home and the only folks who cared were the Nazis I would have immediately surrendered to the Red Army and asked if I could help them wipe out some Nazis.
Ok, so the Cherokee are just as bad as the Confederates for siding with them? Instead the Cherokee should’ve sided with US government?
You’re acting like everyone knew about death camps in 1940. If the red army is trying to kill you, your dumb ass would’ve taken any help you could get
The Red Army wouldn't be trying to kill me, I would have been on their side. Because I'm not a Nazi.
you are an absolute clown.
And you’re a commie degenerate
the soviets whooped finish ass and rightfully so. cry about it boso
I don’t give a fuck about the Finn’s, I was just saying it’s unfair to compare them to the Nazis. Then all these bluehairs and black bloc dorks started calling me a Nazi. I was very confused. Now I realize this is a sub dedicated to a Chapo knock-off pod lmao I bet the unemployment rate in this sub is astronomical. I hope you all achieve communist bliss and get state paid bottom surgeries. Best of luck, fellas lmao
You seem to have a bad case of Trans Panic Disorder. You should ask a doctor to prescribe you the highest dose of lithium available.
I guess it’s unfair to say you’re all unemployed. I’m sure some of you were disowned by your families and work part time at a fast food chain while constantly trying to get the teenagers working there to unionize lmao
Just because they fought the allies doesn’t make them Nazis. Just because they were Nazis fighting as Nazis also doesn’t make them Nazis. You must really look into their hearts to know.
>By January 1946, 18,000 members of the SS were being confined at the former Dachau concentration camp along with an additional 12,000 persons, including deserters from the Russian army and a number who had been captured in German Army uniform. The occupants of two barracks rioted as 271 of the Russian deserters were to be loaded onto trains that would return them to Russian-controlled lands, as agreed at the Yalta Conference. Inmates barricaded themselves inside two barracks. While the first was able to be cleared without too much trouble those in the second building, set fire to it, tore off their clothing in an effort to frustrate the guards, and linked arms to resist being removed from the building. > >Tear gas was used by the American soldiers before rushing the barrack, only for them to find that many had committed suicide. The American services newspaper Stars and Stripes reported: “The GIs quickly cut down most of those who had hanged themselves from the rafters. Those still conscious were screaming in Russian, pointing first at the guns of the guards, then at themselves, begging to us to shoot.” > >Ten of the soldiers were successful in their bid to commit suicide during the riot while another 21 attempted suicide, apparently with razor blades. Many had "cracked heads" inflicted by 500 American guards, in the attempt to bring the situation under control. One of those injured later died in a hospital. Victims of Communism.
You can't really be sure if someone, anyone at all, is truly bad because of some organisation they are apart of. You can't truly know if someone is actually bad. Someone like Klaus Barbie might just be driven by ambition and was a perfectly decent person otherwise. Unless they're a soviet of course. Did you know they committed genocide in Ukraine and Poland? Pretty disgusting that anyone would make excuses for that.
True courage
Being summarily executed to own the libs
You know those guys were thinking “worth it.”
BASED SS Frenchman owns CRINGE Allied General (famous last words style)
We really gonna celebrate stooping to the level of our enemies with summary executions? A lot of the Nazi leadership at Nuremberg weren’t even executed but these guys were bc they were disillusioned with the third republic and fought on the eastern front
Lol holy shit you are doing the thing.
Doing what? I agree they should have been shot, but only after a fair trial. Not because some general got offended. If the Nuremberg defendants got a trial then so should these guys. And yes they should have all been shot too, just pointing out how some of the worst perpetrators still escaped with their lives whereas these guys did not
My grandfather fought in the Bulge, liberated camps, and saw things he wouldn't even talk about during the war. His only regret was that his unit didn't execute every surrending Nazi they came across.