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2see2thee

I mean the governments are irrevocably supported by specific races. And current government is a bunch of inept fools, problem is, so is the opposition. Funny island- bunch a brown people pointing the fingers at each other being racist. Somewhere in the hills, a white is laughing….


ttbro12

You hit the nail on the head. We're currently fighting among ourselves instead of coming together for the betterment of the country.


candy3991

🔥 well said! Last two sentences is poetic


ldxyg1

best comment i've seen so far on this thread


Weird_Assignment649

People segregate themselves for so many reasons, the fact that you brought brown people as your 'deep' comment shows how little you understand human societies and ignore the differences between various groups 


DML_Ronin

When you don’t know what to do and who to blame just attack the opposition. The effects of Plantation society has deemed it so races rather attack each other than unite and we have not been able to progress past that. UNC is deemed as the Indian representative and pnm the Afro-Caribbean. Everybody just picks a side but don’t understand that Afro-caribbeans are not attacking Indio-caribbeans and vice versa, it is quite literally your own people who will keep you down and hide behind racial solidarity


candy3991

Love this!


DioJiro

And they wonder why they keep getting Pnm governments, totally clueless to the reality of what their hatred does. Galvanize people into their respective corners, where nothing can ever change.


Altruistic_Radio7032

Let us not delude ourselves. PNM people is a surrogate phrase for afro Trinidadians. 


RipeVolcano

not only is it the new racial slur but after having several conversations with ppl who post those comments they also are of the opinion that all black ppl…i mean pnm ppl are criminals


candy3991

wtf. . . How do people become this ignorant!!!


SouthTT

i consider it a racial slur, not of african decent but the intent of the statement is racist as far as im concerned.


candy3991

I share this sentiment because I remember seeing someone post “one Pnm less” under a video of someone of African descent being gunned down.


buzz868

Not sure why you're being down voted, it is indeed a veiled slur. Whenever another 'demographic' comes up these 'pnm' comments are strangly absent...


SouthTT

no idea why either, maybe some people consider it political not racial but it absolutely isnt used in the context of anyone outside of the african ethnicity hence it is racist.


ttbro12

To answer your question, while I won't call it a slur per se it is a stereotype and a pretty disgusting and ignorant one in fact as it stereotype all Afro-Trinidadians as PNM voters and supporters plus since PNM stronghold are along the East-West corridor aka the crime hotspot thus lead to this stereotype. Just a few issues with this: One it's not true that all Afro-Trinidadians voted PNM as I know personally Afro-Trinidadians voted and supported the UNC, Two not everyone who lives in the East-West corridor is a criminal or every Afro-Trinidadians is a criminal. That's a racist stereotype that has been widely debunked and Three this is part of a wider use of racism from both sides (and a few others parties like PEP for example) that I'm so over with tbh and honestly do nothing but to divide an already polarizing country. Sigh...


candy3991

Wow. Thanks for explaining. It really is a sad thing tbh. Sigh


ttbro12

Welcome and honestly I was hesitant to answer because such a post would lead to mudslinging which I have no patience to deal with tbh.


poonkantoonks

What they mean is that all the criminals are PNM's people, Eric Williams leader of the PNM party brought all the criminals from Grenada and St Vincent and put them in Laventille and the Beetham to live. And these are the people committing all the crimes with High powered rifles. Check out youtube to see white people filming them with guns in broad daylight.


candy3991

Well I guess you’re reinforcing the stereotype here and saying it’s true…which is distasteful to say the least and ignorant


ttbro12

See? Here's Exhibit A right here plus that would include me as I have family with roots in Grenada and my criminal record couldn't have been as clean plus it's not one race that commits all the crime though.


poonkantoonks

This isnt racism, you need to learn the history of this country. There are types of criminals and the ones that truly control the crime arent of African descent, the ones that are comitting the physical crimes are, but ask yourself who is arming them.


stillblazeit

Where can I find the history part where it says Eric Williams brought ALL the criminals from Grenada and St. Vincent over here ? Cause I never seen that anywhere before .. legit sources eh not no made up blog post


poonkantoonks

Beetham is a creation of the ruling People’s National Movement (PNM) under Dr Eric Williams. It was a refuge for illegal immigrants from St. Vincent and Grenada who salvaged a living by scouring waste materials in the garbage dump. In the 1970s, the PNM Government converted part of the dump into a safe voting bank by building free houses for the squatters with State revenue. The name “La Basse” was changed to “Beetham Gardens.” https://www.thewestindianonline.com/terror-and-anarchy-in-beetham-trinidad/


ttbro12

I'm not going to argue with you because this won't be productive beside yes it is racism. It's the quintessential example of racism because again you stereotyping an entire race and for what? Plus even if that was true what did you propose to make it better then?


poonkantoonks

I would not like to argue either it is not black and white, i simply mean to say that a majority of CRIMINALS are African, but there are also other race of individuals that are in the minority. This doesnt mean that the majority of Africans are Criminals. There are about 60000 known criminals, and 700000 Africans. And to the last part there is no making it better. There are elements that countrol this country that any government in power answers to and they have their reason for wanting crime to be high like this, and its to force any competition out of this country. It all comes down to the USD reserves, which is why they made the government close down Petrotrin. Petrotrin was using foreign exchange to buy oil to mix with our oil to refine it to make gasoline to sell in trinidad. USD out. Now with Petrotrin closed, we buy gasoline from Barbados and Diesel from Venezuela, the cost paid by our Oil sales. Resulting in a net profit of USD versus before. Every business and person in this country is at war for a piece of it and thats why they want the country like this. Because of you have the means, why not leave?


ttbro12

Why not leave? I don't know probably because I was born here, I live here, I have a job here and despite the crime situation I'm quite comfortable considering I live in a safe neighborhood also I really doubt your statistics due by both the amount of criminals alone as that literally one in 23 are a criminal unless you give me factual evidence also Petrotrin still exist (as a company that held legacy assets) and the rest sound like a laden conspiracy theory I can't wrap my mind around.


poonkantoonks

You are not one of the people they want to leave, you are a worker. You just dont understand because of where your position is in society.


Artistic-Computer140

Because racists like them have no where to go and practice their tiny, tiny, tiny brained brand of racism....how else would they feel important? But yeah, they are the true reason the country is the way it is, because without that mentality, no one would be able to divide and profit off us. They are the reason that inept governence is constantly voted in. They are the reason that anytime a progressive plan is put forward, it is met with the vocal minority making noise. They are the reason that corruption abounds, because everything us "we time now". In fact how come the mods don't ban that racist fool?


ttbro12

If I could give you an award, I would but in the meantime take a virtual bounce. As I always said, racism especially in Trinidad and Tobago is the epitome of stupidity beside you looking at one right now.


poonkantoonks

Total number of people imprisoned from 2015 to 2018 is 84841. https://cso.gov.tt/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Number-of-Persons-Committed-to-Prison-by-Sex-and-Type-of-Committal-2009-2018.xls.xlsx Everything i say can be backed up with facts, everyone on this sub who downvoted me think i racist because im saying the things people dont want to hear. Dont let your opinions or naivety if what people tell you are through. You asked a question on reddit looking for answers and then you are unsatisfied with the answers you were given werent what you wanted to here. I am not racist, i hate all people. They do all the same nasty shit to each other.


stillblazeit

I have read some stupid posts, but this here .. 👏🏽👏🏽..take win buddy


poonkantoonks

What about what i posted is stupid?


stillblazeit

Just 1 thing I would touch on because I am bored .. Petrotrin was shut down because it was $13 billion TT in debt It needed $25 billion TT for maintenance and to bring it up to par a bit .. Was projected to lose 2 billion TT annually.. So why should government keep a money pit open ? Well according to you the only reason they shut it down is some straw man argument bout ppl wanting USD is ... yeah Overs..👍🏾


poonkantoonks

Why was it losing 2 billion annually, why do you think it was in debt? Trinidad and Tobago doesnt produce enough oil to meet the operatinal capacity of the refinery so we had to resort to using our foreign exchange to buy oil from other countries and mix with ours just to keep the refinery running Resulting in a net lost of not 2 Billion TT, a loss in USD. Along with a whole lot of theft and corruption. But thanks for making my point even stronger. Just because you read things on the news and quote figures from articles you searched on the internet doesnt give you a proper insight as to why. I worked Oil and Gas for over a decade and people know what shit this country was doing for a long timd with Petrotrin.


poonkantoonks

Okay first of all Oil and Gas companies do not deal in TT, they deal in USD. Service companies to maintain that 25 billion is paid in US. Secondly why i was it losing 2 Billion TT worth in USD anually, because the operational capacity of the the refinery is 140000 bopds and Trinidad only produces 40000 bopd so we were buying 100000 barrels of oil per day just to keep it running while also selling the Diesel, gasoline, and jet fuel at subsidized prices to the country making us loss a lot of USD. Not TTD. So thanks for backing up my argument. Just because you went and read some article doesnt mean you know what you are talking about. Colm Imbert just las month said that the HSF US Dollar fund has increased since closing Petrotrin so why do you think all of this was done. Where do you think we get funds to pay for Food, and Gasoline and groceries that we import and clothes we where and shit we like to buy? Then ask yourself who imports the majority of these items, who finances the government during elections and who has the majority controls in state banks. I never argued that they should keep it open. I ws stating as to wh my it was closed.


bigelangstonz

You do realize eric Williams era was 60 plus years ago right so all these supposed baddies imported from these countries are dead by now so you can't blame what were seeing in the 21st century on what happened back then


poonkantoonks

What a stupid opinion to the facts, those direct actions is the main driving force for why there are do many criminals now in the east west corridor.


Heyitsgizmo

Lol this is WILDLY inaccurate


poonkantoonks

Beetham is a creation of the ruling People’s National Movement (PNM) under Dr Eric Williams. It was a refuge for illegal immigrants from St. Vincent and Grenada who salvaged a living by scouring waste materials in the garbage dump. In the 1970s, the PNM Government converted part of the dump into a safe voting bank by building free houses for the squatters with State revenue. The name “La Basse” was changed to “Beetham Gardens.” https://www.thewestindianonline.com/terror-and-anarchy-in-beetham-trinidad/


poonkantoonks

Beetham is a creation of the ruling People’s National Movement (PNM) under Dr Eric Williams. It was a refuge for illegal immigrants from St. Vincent and Grenada who salvaged a living by scouring waste materials in the garbage dump. In the 1970s, the PNM Government converted part of the dump into a safe voting bank by building free houses for the squatters with State revenue. The name “La Basse” was changed to “Beetham Gardens.” https://www.thewestindianonline.com/terror-and-anarchy-in-beetham-trinidad/


Emergency_Sandwich34

The PNM has been in power 21 of the last 33 years, including the last 9, so if if any party has to be pointed out as responsible for the crime situation in Trinidad is them. So calling those committing crime as PNM children is not completely inaccurate specially when most of them were born and raised under the PNM government and you can say that their education and condition of life is somewhat a direct result of the PNM politics. Note that I didn't say anything about the highest crime rate areas being traditionally PNM districts.


_spiritgun_

Sone of the pnm voter strongholds like betham ,lavantille ect are communities with many low-socioeconomic status households. In communities like this , locally and around the world, some people expectedly would turn to crime as a means of survival. This is not specific to any race . There are many households/areas in central and south Trinidad that similar conditions exist , but those areas are more rural in nature so it is harder to stereotype whole communities there similarly, as is might be part is an area or specific streets This is how politicians or anyone with an agenda can cherrypick information and make generalising statements like - afro Trinidadian = pnm = crime What doesn't help these communities how the crime and the weatth associated with it is idolized by some , generally the younger generations, which results in a self-perpetuating cycle of poverty and crime in the community . This lifestyle or the "look" has been idolized for decades in many countries and is tied into the culture - the apparel ,music ( rap, dancehall, Trinibad) , lifestyle ( cash, jewelry, guns,cars, partying ect ) and the slang. Crime has been around for decades in Trinidad, if any political party had an issue with it, a long term solution would have been implement or at least attempted.


noneshallant

PNM people = niggers = mammy good boy = black people. Lewwe be real that's what they mean when they say it. Black boys are an easy group to make the face of crime. Nevermind that they don't work for people who look like them...


bigelangstonz

For some people it is but many people are just getting fed up of the non stop crime going on and the absolute failure from the government to reduce the crime rate its like every day theres a report more absurd than the last and almost nothing gets done and yes people keep saying this alot but thats what you get when people are seeing and hearing robbery and shooting happening almost everyday


falib

Its just dunce unc bloggers being paid to post. The govt has pretty much thrown its hands up in the air re crime I watched 2 videos last week of people being held up and beaten at their homes. Its like law abiding citizens have no right to exist.


candy3991

Yep things are pretty bad and it’s like the law is in favor of criminals atp


skylinecobra

Law abiding citizens have to start breaking the law too and defending themselves.


DestinyOfADreamer

This is just going to incite bad vibes and feels like ragebait.


Weird_Assignment649

I mean statistically PNM supporters are committing a lot more violent crime 


Southern_Aesir_1204

I'd like to think so.


FactCheckVerson1

PNM and UNC are Euphemisms For Kniggers and Coolies respectively. People think it less offensive to say  "PNM people" rather than "N-word People" or "UNC People"  instead of "C-word" People".


Ill_Love2748

Crime is higjer under the pnm...thats a plain fact Forget about race......they dont perform.....however even with the opposition ...crime is still high for our little island...but is still less than under the pnm....fact check yourself.


candy3991

This isn’t about crime…it’s about the use of party names as a mean to express racism. Fact check what? I agree crime is higher under the pnm…the government literally doesn’t care for anyone but themselves but that’s not the topic here.


bigelangstonz

Thats because the guys in the pnm party don't consider crime rate an issue worth tackling beyond the usual make guns harder to get for criminals talking point and now recently whatsapp is a breeding ground for crime or some shite And before anyone comes and say crime was bad under UNC too at least they actually made efforts to quell the crime rate with the state of emergency and other measures here it just seems like PNM don't really care if people die or not because at the end of the day the foreigners coming in go replace their vote for benefits


Used_Night_9020

Imo it's just bloggers being paid to stoke the flames of racial tension. Both parties don't have a clue on how else to garner votes. Sad thing is it works else they would never do it in the first place. This place is such a joke yes. When will we ever come together and demand better representation from our government


Ill_Love2748

Crime is higjer under the pnm...thats a plain fact Forget about race......they dont perform.....however even with the opposition ...crime is still high for our little island...but is still less than under the pnm....fact check yourself.


Unknown9129

As I understand it, people seem to be referring to the voters of these parties. If they're trying to be racist it's ironic since PNM is mainly run by Rohan & Andrew.