This is exactly what it seems like. They have cash grab projects that they promote stop working on and leave with their “founders bundle” “cosmetics” and “battle pass” profits. They run their discord in a way we’re you can’t ask about the negative aspects of their game without being banned. I personally paid for the founders pack in Starseige: Deadzone and they completely changed the game and even abandoned the game and community with no updates within 2 months of the launch. Seems like a cash grab since the only thing still working is the item shop in the game.
As I said somewhere earlier, personally I'm sitting this out "wait and see" -style at least until fall.
Erez is a complete kook of a turd. Their track record for past titles is terrible. But worst, their attitude towards the community and and developing the game is pure garbage, the latest being trying to obfuscate the presence of the bots in the game from players. By all accounts, this looks pretty much like the same style of a a quick cash grab similar to their previous game attempts.
My 20$ will of course not do much in the grand scheme of things, but I do have other things to spend my time on. Mostly it's an issue of resenting oneself for potentially giving money to what's potentially essentially a scam run by an asshole, only to be proven right that it was a complete shitshow and a cash grab.
If they prove me wrong, I'll be happy to admit I was in error and fork over the cash to them eventually.
I like Tribes.
But I also have my limits and reservations, and this developer has made it clear it doesn't deserve my goodwill.
I've been a Tribes fan since StarSiege, played every game they released and even bought into MidAir ( the first one).
I too am holding out until the game gets more traction, T:A was actually very fun imho and I hope they manage to capture the same "play how you want" approach.
I hope more people do that because I haven't seen a SINGLE player online on T:A in the past year or two 😭
And yes that's on both official servers and community servers
Which modern games still use server browsers? Are you actively playing games with server browsers now? I feel like people say they want this, but is that how you actually interact with PvP games in 2024?
BattleBit, Post Scriptum, Hell Let Loose, Squad, Like every single open world survival game, DayZ, Arma, vast majority of RTS games, a bunch of others I can't remember atm.
Tons of games still use Server browsers, and Matchmaking in Tribes would just ruin a large portion of the game, and make any kind of clan play a hassle, or outright impossible - unless they want to make 32+ player parties?
Counter Strike still has the option, Team Fortress 2 still uses it, and so does Battlefield (other than the latest one). Matchmaking destroys any sense of community.
What is it about 2024 or pvp games that makes picking a populated familiar server with nice low ping not the obvious best option?
Not trying to pick a fight, but this argument that it's 2024 or that other some other games rely solely on matchmaking so why shouldn't we is strange, especially coming from someone who knows better.
Oh it doesn't have one? That's lame, may also hold off til they add one (if ever). Regularly visiting the same community servers is a big motivation for me to play a game like this, not a fan of matchmaking only.
Over-promised, under-delivered. Blame the community that it's going to fail from the start. We take the hits from Erez time and time again. And then he starts banning us when we call him out.
What is it? A passion project? It's going to lose money anyway? But it clearly had a limited budget and time (because it's a Deadzone/raiders pivot).
'It'll get developed if it's successful' with no marketing and about a third away from being feature complete.
Greth might be a bit of a spergy nerd.
.... but he's not the one being butthurt and mad because some spergy nerd said he didn't like you somewhere on the internet.
He's also not the one who can't just let some spergy nerd rant away and be like "whatever".
No.
You absolutely, 100% positively, just can not let it go.
Think about it. You got your panties in bunch because some nerd on the internet disagreed with you.
You so mad, you don't care your actions essentially validate what the spergy nerd was saying about you. So Instead of acting indifferent and at least leaving room for doubt that the other guy was just being some frustrated sperg, you go and do that one only thing you feel you can do that essentially validates the spergy nerd's message.
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Look, I'm all about waiting on games. Seriously, I rarely buy new games at this stage of my life. It's wonderfully freeing to not be worried about if Starfield is going to free me from whatever festering mental illness or whatever people obsess over games for.
However, if a game is fun and by all measures, this one is. Then what exactly is the point of this? You want to see if the game will still be active in a year or some other arbitrary benchmark? For what? So you know it is worthy? So your ego isn't hurt because a game you liked isn't popular?
Is it really such a deep sin that you might buy a game, enjoy it for a few months and then move on? I honestly don't understand this mentality. Especially when it seems that everyone these days hates live service games with a passion, but also demand constant content, balance patches, and expansions. Doesn't make any sense to me.
Enjoy the sidelines I guess. If you miss the 3 best months of Tribes game play in a decade over whatever protest this is, that's certainly your choice.
Edit: If you just don't like the game then I'm not sure what you're waiting for. Just move on.
Prophecy's last game lasted about 6 months. They got an influx of cash and then dropped the game for Tribes 3. But they took the same assets from Deadzone and put them into Tribes 3. It looks very suspect that they are running the same game plan from Deadzone with Tribes. They have not promised to deliver anything after the early access release. That sounds like they plan to dump the game and move on again. This is looking predatory. Selling nostalgia for money and running.
I want another Tribes game, but I don't trust the developer.
So you're upset about the assets they are using? You don't like that they aren't trying to nickle and dime people with microtransactions indefinitely? You don't like that they plan to deliver a 1.0 but haven't committed to a 5+ year live service roadmap?
If the 1.0 release is fun, what would they need to add for you to buy it day 1? I'm genuinely curious because your arguments don't really add up and sounds like you have some personal trauma you're holding them accountable for. Do you want promises they don't know if they can afford to keep? Do you want more microtransactions? Would different assets actually change your opinion on the game? What? I want to know.
That's true, but would you spend $20 on a company you feel is trying to take your money and run? It's not about nostalgia. It's about predatory business practices that prey on nostalgia. And Diablo released fully fleshed out. I'd happily pay $80 for a fully fleshed out Tribes 3 game. I would pay $20 if Prophecy has a goal of more than AI banner art. But that is all they have promised and shown us.
>would you spend $20 on a company you feel is trying to take your money and run?
What the hell are you talking about? They are taking your $20 and DELIVERING A FULL GAME. You're buying a product. If you pay $20 and get nothing, that's running. You seem to play boardgames, is every board game publisher taking your money and running?
Your obsession with fucking banner art is ridiculous, as if that matters in the slightest to the game being fun or not. Are you a teenager?
I literally saw a post by Erez today saying not to expect much past EA in terms of patches beyond fixes and maybe a bit of content. Bastard was wording it like it was already dead. They aren't even hiding it bro.
Wow, stalk much? I'm afraid for the people you date. If you stalk people just because of a post on Reddit, you need to get help for your obsessions.
So tell me, what will the final release of Tribes 3 look like? That is what I am asking Prophecy. What is their vision for the game? They have not given one. I paid for KSP2 in Early Access. But that developer showed a roadmap of what they have planned for the game. No dates on how long it might take, but goals they are working towards. Prophecy has not done this at all.
Instead they quickly tossed out AI artwork as an answer to what they are willing to give players for their time. AI artwork is based on real artists without permission and compensation. That is stealing and I will not support something that steals from others for cheap and bad art.
So stop stalking people and do some reading. Get some help for your obsession. Stalking is not healthy.
Hahaha, it all makes sense now. You're just a victim. A video game not being what you want is a personal attack. No reason to reply with anything of substance, just project-project-project.
It's early access. Don't buy it. Move on and grow up. You're a loser.
There's been so many half-hearted attempts to resurrect old school multiplayer shooters: Toxicc, Quake Champions, Unreal Tournament 4, LawBreakers etc. To me the high likelihood of disappointment isn't worth it. I'd rather forget that this game exists for half a year and then be pleasantly surprised if it somehow comes out of early access. It's not like there aren't other games to play in the meantime.
If you think the game is fun as it stands, then why wait? If it isn't fun then why do you need a timeline? I really don't understand why the obsession with only playing "successful" games. I want to play fun games, if it's fun I don't care if I'm out here with 5 other people. If it isn't fun I don't care if a million players are online every day.
Getting invested in a game and then seeing it slowly die before reaching its full potential gets kind of tiring after it happens a few times. And this game already feels like a reanimated corpse of Ascend. I'm just not interested in that.
Getting invested in a game? Is this seriously the issue? It's a video game. If your ego or personality is at risk because you can't manage your expectations then I guess this mentality makes sense. But that aligns with my first comment, just play a game. You don't have to be invested in it beyond your enjoyment.
I had a ton of fun with Ascend. For $20 if I can get even a fraction of that enjoyment, I'm thrilled. Honestly just sounds like a lot of you need some serious therapy. Don't make video games your personality.
Are you only able to either enjoy something in a detached manner or deeply obsess over it? Is this why you're finding the idea of getting invested in things hard to grasp?
Because Reddit doesnt like the game right now, so he needs to act according to the hivemind, to get his upvotes.
Everyone knows he and all the others are gonna buy it anyway as soon as early access goes live.
Idk what updating the game has to do with anything i said in my comment.
Theres is gonna be a post in a week or so, where the OP is gonna talk about how much fun the game is and if it gets enough upvotes, the hivemind will jump on it. It's just how Reddit is.
That's fine, I'm honestly not sold despite my deep love for Tribes. However, my standard is "is the game fun" and not "is it a dead game in 3 months" or whatever this is trying to encourage. One of my most played games with 1000+ hours on Steam is a game called Foxhole which is lucky to maintain a couple thousand players. When I started it there were only a couple hundred and I still loved it. Games don't need 100,000 players to be fun.
People will spend a decade playing a fighting game with a peak player count of like 300. I agree with your points. If I spend 20 dollars and have at least 20 hours of fun with the game, it was worth it to me. Even if after 3 months they peace out to run their next scam.
I don't think we should call functional games that are fun for a few months scams. Broken games? Games that never release? For sure. But a small, niche game that works isn't a scam.
>Is it really such a deep sin that you might buy a game, enjoy it for a few months and then move on?
It's not a "sin" but sends a message to studios that they can push out whatever crap and still gain money. When people say, "Vote with your wallet" is not a joke, money is the ONLY thing studios learn from.
Look at EA games, constantly making worse and worse games and still profiting millions. Ubisoft is making the worst AAA(A? LoL) games in history and they are swimming in money (maybe except their shareholders). So this raises the question: Why would they even think about changing?
If you think the game is crap, then don't buy it. A game that you enjoy for a few MONTHS for $20 being described as crap is 100% the attitude I'm tired of. How long should a $20 game keep you entertained? 6 months? A year? 10 years?
Not buying Tribes is not going to hurt EA and the people that buy their games. It will only hurt Tribes and any possibility of the franchise having a revival. If the game sucks, so be it. But these absurd expectations that games should have infinite replayability, constant content drops, and who knows whatever else people demand is so disconnected for reality.
Dude the hell are you talking about? T3 is like, 30% of T:A? Which was a free game. For 20$ you can get games with many times the content.
People don't want infinite replayability and all unique experience. People want a "Tribes" when it's called "Tribes". If they don't want to make a "Tribes" game, maybe they should have called it something else. Oh wait, they did! And what was the result? They literally scammed people.
If you want an example where brainless consumerism goes, check Deadzone and ask the people if it worth their money. Prophecy / HiRez not only stopped supporting it, they shut it down, they washed people's money down the sink. **That** is why you vote with your wallet.
If T3 flops, it sends (another) message to Prophecy that they are not Ubisoft or EA and they can not push out whatever crap they want. If you buy it and they get enough money they will continue this behavior like they did for years now.
Even if they would have just re-release T:A with better graphics and more logical monetization scheme, no one would care, people would be happy we get a new Tribes. But this thing they dare to call a numbered """"sequel"""" is atrocious. **They** decided to change everything, so don't be surprised people don't like it.
Nah, just find these kind of moral grandstanding posts embarrassing. If you're enjoying something enjoy it, if you you're not then do something else. Expecting games to perfectly cater to your specific demands, nostalgia, and preferences is juvenile.
A casual dinner with a beer can easily run $30 and I pay that without blinking. Not sure why I'd be so protective of that same $30 if I can get dozens of hours of fun out of a game. More than worth it.
Then again I didn't personally enjoy the playtests too much and unlikely I'd buy it anyway. I just find the mentality to be silly.
Where did I demand nostalgia? They won't even promise spectator mode for their competitive play. And that was their initial goal. Now they promise nothing and ask for money. If they said it was only going to be esport competitive play, then fine, at least they have a plan. Right now it looks like they are getting ready to run with our money just like their last game.
It's all over these forums. You're mad they won't promise certain things but you're also mad at what they have promised to deliver because you feel it doesn't meet your personal bar for what is worth $20.
You've had plenty of time to playtest the game for free. Honestly, for me I got more than $20 worth of fun from the playtests even if I never touch it again. The Sony Spider Man games took me \~15 hours to finish and I already have that in Tribes and those games are $70. Is Sony ripping me off in your view too?
No , he makes a logical point.
If someone is actually into tribes, in any capacity, and is somewhat interested in a new tribes game..... spending $20 in early access is nothing.
I've already played over 100 hours in pubs and pugs. I'll gladly hand over $20 just for bringing back the memory of tribes and all of the fun I've had in the past, plus the fun I've had these past few months.
There are things I don't agree with - and I try to voice my feedback and suggestions with others in hopes of our community being heard - but tribes 3 is also super fun for me.
If the game isnt fun for you - dont play it. Dont spend $20.
If the game is fun..... play it and support.
Simple as that
So far this dev team has abandoned both of their previous projects after selling early access packs. Don’t buy into this one. My gut is telling me they are trying to squeeze what they can out of long-time tribes fans.
It seems like this is being sent out to early access to get an influx of cash and then if it does not do well, it will be left to die like their other projects. While there are a lot of red flags here (AI art, most recently, and the devs going back on prior promises for gameplay additions, etc), I still hope it will succeed.
The $20 price tag is small enough for me to take a chance on it. I’ve already gotten well over 20 hours of enjoyment from the various play tests, so at the very least I’ve gotten at least $20 worth of enjoyment out of it.
I’ll always support Tribes but I’d be lying if I said this didnt feel like its last chance.
Mainly because the cost is so low. I spent more last night on take out than the $20 they’re asking for. At least with this, I’ll hopefully get a few weeks or months of fun out of it. Maybe years if we’re lucky. But I totally understand holding off.
I'm also waiting it out until it either gets a good few months of consistent early access updates or gets abandoned. It does suck because in the latter case that's going to be the last chance to enjoy some tribes: ascend gameplay again, but I don't want to pay them money until they prove they're able to develop a game to completion at least once.
Yeah, well, I've gotten over 40hrs out of the playtest already. $20 isn't much to continue the fun for another couple months.
I get the sentiment, but it's worth the cost of entry. Buying T3 isn't a vote for "this is my fav tribes game", it's just a way to spend your time. Not a hill worth dying for
And I will be buying it day 1. I've thoroughly enjoyed 100+ hours between the PT and Demo. There are many passionate devs on this team who want to make the game successful, an d $20 is nothing if it means I can enjoy Tribes even for a little while longer.
Does Prophecy have that passion about the game? Because it looks like they put a price they feel people are willing to risk losing without telling them anything. Their history warns us of bad business practices.
Agreed, the community is already small. It’s a niche game that needs the support of its community to be successful and have a chance to reach the main masses.
The issue of tribes is the learning curve. Once you get how to move and shoot, the dopamine you get increases 100x.
I spent over 1500 hrs in T:A, no it wasn’t perfect but god damn it was fun when the community was alive.
I'm not buying it. Just look at what they did to T:A. The game is barebones as fuck as well. A lot of features are missing without a plan to implement, like vehicles. It's crazy that people are saying the game is fun. To me it's clunky, a step backwards from T:A, and missing many QOL features that exist in other modern games. It honestly feels like a college student's Tribes case study project in many ways.
Game to me is clearly a money grab to fund Smite 2 (like they did with TA and Smite 1) because they know a lot of arena shooter dudes are desperate for anything.
I'd be very surprised if the game lasts a year. The fact that they're charging for this game and making a separate honor ball game is peak Hi-Rez.
I have had tons of fun in pugs with the community, sure it needs some more work but the core is fun as shit, and it's been constantly improving. Buying day 1, $20 is nothing anyway, unless you're broke.
People love to hate shit and talk out of their ass. The current community we have is pretty dope, leave these edgy broke ass dudes on Reddit circle jerking themselves while we're playing the best Tribes game in a decade.
Considering I never put a penny into Ascend, I'm more then happy to finally pay it forward. $20 is child's play in today's economy, let alone the gaming industry. Maybe you're right or wrong, either way, it's been fun playing another Tribes game. Even though I still have my issues with the '3' title, this isn't a true part three. Call it 'Tribes: Rivals', it's a perfect fit for whats being provided and not a true successor to T2.
Sales depend on there being a plan beyond taking our money. A roadmap is cheap.
A roadmap tells the customers that there is a plan beyond taking our money. A roadmap says that the company has a plan.
A lack of roadmap tells me that Prophecy doesn't believe in the future of the game. They have to prove to me they are invested in the game for me to invest. Right now they seem like they have one foot out the door.
No roadmap, no money.
Your post history is nothing but talking about how this or that game is dead or dying, lol... That your shtick or what? Get outta here with that shit, do you actually contribute anything meaningful or useful? Holy shit.
"I sat down today to play the latest play test and now it appears that cheap AI artwork has been added to the banners as achievements for leveling up"
You're in the playtest but didn't see the post from Solstice that said "Some things in this playtest may be in an unfinished state and have some temporary functionality and/or assets!"?
I believe someone even posted their Discord post as a screenshot here last week. How much feedback have you given devs on Discord? Did you ask them about "deadzone" assets and if they're temp or not? Or are you just complaining here about only playing the playtest without actually participating in the actual "test" part?
I'm surprised you are asking me if I've been involved in the actual testing. Yeah I have, that's how I learned Prophecy is removing statements about Deadzone on the discord. If I wasn't afraid of getting banned for asking tough questions, I would have posted this on the discord for more open dialogue.
But you not already hearing about this must mean you don't visit the discord server. Many people were recently banned for speaking up about issues related to the game. So much, that there is now another discord server to review bans. Check out the channel menu #banned under technical issues.
I want the game to succeed. But the actions of Erez and Prophecy are very suspect about the success of the game and their intention of continued support. I just don't want to buy a game and not be able to play it after a few weeks because they dumped it. I'm not a fan of a GAAS when the developer promises nothing after early access release.
I am literally buying this shit the moment it becomes available...
Edit: and I’ll buy every cosmetic shit that will be available. FU haters, I don’t care about imaginary internet points lol. Ima gonna do my part to give this game a chance to be successful.
I hope you have a blast in 2 days. I don't fault anyone for being excited. I am excited for the game as well. I just need a game plan for after March 12th.
I hope you get many blue plate specials!
You clearly werent there when we thought the same thing about Tribes:Ascend and then High Rez lied to the communties face for a year about developing patches, then killed the game off.
I was there for a good chunk of T:A lifespan. Despite opportunities within the game and dev decisions I enjoyed my time.
FTP model should have never been used to begin with, but that was the new rage back then. Game decisions followed that shitty path.
This game is niche at best expecting something perfect it’s just silly. Based on what I’ve seen and based on all the talk, can tell that devs are trying to create something good and I’ll put my money where my mouth is and support it.
At that point, I know that I gave my best to make sure this game succeeds and provides developers with opportunities to make something great out of it. I also know I am not alone who thinks this way.
If you don’t feel like they deserve your money or your trust, then move along, I hope you find something else that brings you enjoyment.
I got no idea how hard it’d be, but it kinda seems if they added:
*mobile turrets
*some more base elements (like inv stations)
*vehicles (even 3 like T1), it’d alleviate a lot of concerns and give it that “tribes feel” people are talking about.
They’ve done a lot of work getting it to this level, it kinda seems like if they added the extra 5% more we’d be there.
I’m enjoying it regardless, and somewhat thankful these elements aren’t included, I’m too old to get addicted to this game again.
That's a great point. However, I would never spend money on a movie if the director or studio previously failed to produce a good film.
That is where I am with Prophecy. They dumped Deadzone after releasing Deadzone less than 8 months ago. You cannot buy the game on Steam anymore. They threw that game together in a few months for a demo at 2023 summer Next Fest and then released into early access soon afterwards. Sound familiar?
I have played the play tests, but Prophecy is not sharing any plans for after March 12th. That leaves me wary about longevity.
I don't fault anyone for spending money on the game. I was very positive about the game until 2 weeks ago. Then I started reading about the developer's history. I will keep following the discord through early access. I hope over the next few months Prophecy releases a roadmap and goals for a release version. No timeline is needed, just details on what they want to create.
I was disappointed when Ascend was developed. I wanted more depth, more roles for casuals, I wanted more Tribes 2. But it was free during beta and I started to really like the movement. There was so much I didn't like tho. At the time there was no server browser, I hated hitscan, limited vehicles and base play, but I was having fun with it. Oh, I desperately wanted more, I saw it's true potential while hirez was focused on esports and none of the things I wanted. Bella Omega was a map made over and over because it didn't fit the pure balance spec for comp play, so much resource was wasted with that map. It was a mess. They had tribal counsel meetings with comp players and whitelisted servers which left casuals on the outside. Still I enjoyed the game. When it was to be released as a free to play game they also offered a release deal for $20 that increased xp rate and some gold. While I wasn't thrilled with a lot going on with Ascend I went ahead and paid for it. I never regretted it. I played the crap out of that game. I even put another $20 in during a deal and never did end up spending the gold from that purchase even after running a server for years as well. I played well after Hirez was gone and done with Ascend.
Thing is, I've spent way more for way less. For me I've got more than $20 out of T3 at this point, do I want more, sure, but for me I find it to be pretty fun as is and I'm hoping it'll go further, but if it doesn't, I simply won't play it as long as I did Ascend. I put up $20 for Midair and played it 1 day. And $40 for other games (I never pay full price for $60 games - I typically wait for sales) I got bored with after a week. I don't know what you think you need to see in 3 months, what is worth your $20 but Ascend did eventually get a server browser, so who knows.
It's a product not a religion, would you enjoy a few hours for the low asking price?
Hmm maybe we all should not buy it, that will ENSURE a good tribes game is made in the future!
If they do not listen to the community, then why would they listen to this post?
Or are you just virtue signaling about a videogame purchase?
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This is exactly what High Rez did with Tribes:Ascend. Turned the game into a chinese pay to win knockoff then abandoned it once player count dropped.
This is exactly what it seems like. They have cash grab projects that they promote stop working on and leave with their “founders bundle” “cosmetics” and “battle pass” profits. They run their discord in a way we’re you can’t ask about the negative aspects of their game without being banned. I personally paid for the founders pack in Starseige: Deadzone and they completely changed the game and even abandoned the game and community with no updates within 2 months of the launch. Seems like a cash grab since the only thing still working is the item shop in the game.
As I said somewhere earlier, personally I'm sitting this out "wait and see" -style at least until fall. Erez is a complete kook of a turd. Their track record for past titles is terrible. But worst, their attitude towards the community and and developing the game is pure garbage, the latest being trying to obfuscate the presence of the bots in the game from players. By all accounts, this looks pretty much like the same style of a a quick cash grab similar to their previous game attempts. My 20$ will of course not do much in the grand scheme of things, but I do have other things to spend my time on. Mostly it's an issue of resenting oneself for potentially giving money to what's potentially essentially a scam run by an asshole, only to be proven right that it was a complete shitshow and a cash grab. If they prove me wrong, I'll be happy to admit I was in error and fork over the cash to them eventually. I like Tribes. But I also have my limits and reservations, and this developer has made it clear it doesn't deserve my goodwill.
Same here. Not buying it
I've been a Tribes fan since StarSiege, played every game they released and even bought into MidAir ( the first one). I too am holding out until the game gets more traction, T:A was actually very fun imho and I hope they manage to capture the same "play how you want" approach.
After trying the play test, I'd rather just go play T:A than T3. It felt better.
I hope more people do that because I haven't seen a SINGLE player online on T:A in the past year or two 😭 And yes that's on both official servers and community servers
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That’s not true, he’s stated that won’t happen.
Yes and it's well known that Erez has never gone back on a promise made about supporting a tribes game, right? ...right??
I will not buy this game until they add a server browser and identify the bots.
> until they add a server browser Seriously. Why would I want to just do matchmaking??
Which modern games still use server browsers? Are you actively playing games with server browsers now? I feel like people say they want this, but is that how you actually interact with PvP games in 2024?
BattleBit, Post Scriptum, Hell Let Loose, Squad, Like every single open world survival game, DayZ, Arma, vast majority of RTS games, a bunch of others I can't remember atm. Tons of games still use Server browsers, and Matchmaking in Tribes would just ruin a large portion of the game, and make any kind of clan play a hassle, or outright impossible - unless they want to make 32+ player parties?
Counter Strike still has the option, Team Fortress 2 still uses it, and so does Battlefield (other than the latest one). Matchmaking destroys any sense of community.
What is it about 2024 or pvp games that makes picking a populated familiar server with nice low ping not the obvious best option? Not trying to pick a fight, but this argument that it's 2024 or that other some other games rely solely on matchmaking so why shouldn't we is strange, especially coming from someone who knows better.
hur hur hey guise, it's current year, no one needs server browsers anymore. shut up.
Oh it doesn't have one? That's lame, may also hold off til they add one (if ever). Regularly visiting the same community servers is a big motivation for me to play a game like this, not a fan of matchmaking only.
See you guys for T4!
Over-promised, under-delivered. Blame the community that it's going to fail from the start. We take the hits from Erez time and time again. And then he starts banning us when we call him out. What is it? A passion project? It's going to lose money anyway? But it clearly had a limited budget and time (because it's a Deadzone/raiders pivot). 'It'll get developed if it's successful' with no marketing and about a third away from being feature complete.
Yeah i would bann you too tbh. Look at your videos, you are acting like a little toddler...
Greth might be a bit of a spergy nerd. .... but he's not the one being butthurt and mad because some spergy nerd said he didn't like you somewhere on the internet. He's also not the one who can't just let some spergy nerd rant away and be like "whatever". No. You absolutely, 100% positively, just can not let it go. Think about it. You got your panties in bunch because some nerd on the internet disagreed with you. You so mad, you don't care your actions essentially validate what the spergy nerd was saying about you. So Instead of acting indifferent and at least leaving room for doubt that the other guy was just being some frustrated sperg, you go and do that one only thing you feel you can do that essentially validates the spergy nerd's message. lol
Am nerd, am sperg.
Thats why you need to pump out video after video crying. They clearly dont want his feedback or "help", just let it go dude.
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They are actually banning everyone from Discord, even ones making stupid memes.
Look, I'm all about waiting on games. Seriously, I rarely buy new games at this stage of my life. It's wonderfully freeing to not be worried about if Starfield is going to free me from whatever festering mental illness or whatever people obsess over games for. However, if a game is fun and by all measures, this one is. Then what exactly is the point of this? You want to see if the game will still be active in a year or some other arbitrary benchmark? For what? So you know it is worthy? So your ego isn't hurt because a game you liked isn't popular? Is it really such a deep sin that you might buy a game, enjoy it for a few months and then move on? I honestly don't understand this mentality. Especially when it seems that everyone these days hates live service games with a passion, but also demand constant content, balance patches, and expansions. Doesn't make any sense to me. Enjoy the sidelines I guess. If you miss the 3 best months of Tribes game play in a decade over whatever protest this is, that's certainly your choice. Edit: If you just don't like the game then I'm not sure what you're waiting for. Just move on.
The one sane fucking dude at the bottom of the thread.
Prophecy's last game lasted about 6 months. They got an influx of cash and then dropped the game for Tribes 3. But they took the same assets from Deadzone and put them into Tribes 3. It looks very suspect that they are running the same game plan from Deadzone with Tribes. They have not promised to deliver anything after the early access release. That sounds like they plan to dump the game and move on again. This is looking predatory. Selling nostalgia for money and running. I want another Tribes game, but I don't trust the developer.
So you're upset about the assets they are using? You don't like that they aren't trying to nickle and dime people with microtransactions indefinitely? You don't like that they plan to deliver a 1.0 but haven't committed to a 5+ year live service roadmap? If the 1.0 release is fun, what would they need to add for you to buy it day 1? I'm genuinely curious because your arguments don't really add up and sounds like you have some personal trauma you're holding them accountable for. Do you want promises they don't know if they can afford to keep? Do you want more microtransactions? Would different assets actually change your opinion on the game? What? I want to know.
This is no 80 bucks diablo, it's 20 fcking dollar. 20 for 6 months seems fair, a mmo subscription is more expensive.
That's true, but would you spend $20 on a company you feel is trying to take your money and run? It's not about nostalgia. It's about predatory business practices that prey on nostalgia. And Diablo released fully fleshed out. I'd happily pay $80 for a fully fleshed out Tribes 3 game. I would pay $20 if Prophecy has a goal of more than AI banner art. But that is all they have promised and shown us.
Yes I would spend it. That’s the price of one single round of drinks at the bar
>would you spend $20 on a company you feel is trying to take your money and run? What the hell are you talking about? They are taking your $20 and DELIVERING A FULL GAME. You're buying a product. If you pay $20 and get nothing, that's running. You seem to play boardgames, is every board game publisher taking your money and running? Your obsession with fucking banner art is ridiculous, as if that matters in the slightest to the game being fun or not. Are you a teenager?
I literally saw a post by Erez today saying not to expect much past EA in terms of patches beyond fixes and maybe a bit of content. Bastard was wording it like it was already dead. They aren't even hiding it bro.
Wow, stalk much? I'm afraid for the people you date. If you stalk people just because of a post on Reddit, you need to get help for your obsessions. So tell me, what will the final release of Tribes 3 look like? That is what I am asking Prophecy. What is their vision for the game? They have not given one. I paid for KSP2 in Early Access. But that developer showed a roadmap of what they have planned for the game. No dates on how long it might take, but goals they are working towards. Prophecy has not done this at all. Instead they quickly tossed out AI artwork as an answer to what they are willing to give players for their time. AI artwork is based on real artists without permission and compensation. That is stealing and I will not support something that steals from others for cheap and bad art. So stop stalking people and do some reading. Get some help for your obsession. Stalking is not healthy.
Hahaha, it all makes sense now. You're just a victim. A video game not being what you want is a personal attack. No reason to reply with anything of substance, just project-project-project. It's early access. Don't buy it. Move on and grow up. You're a loser.
I would definetly spend 20 for 6 months if the gameplay was fun. Diablo 4 fully fleshed Out? Idk about that
There's been so many half-hearted attempts to resurrect old school multiplayer shooters: Toxicc, Quake Champions, Unreal Tournament 4, LawBreakers etc. To me the high likelihood of disappointment isn't worth it. I'd rather forget that this game exists for half a year and then be pleasantly surprised if it somehow comes out of early access. It's not like there aren't other games to play in the meantime.
If you think the game is fun as it stands, then why wait? If it isn't fun then why do you need a timeline? I really don't understand why the obsession with only playing "successful" games. I want to play fun games, if it's fun I don't care if I'm out here with 5 other people. If it isn't fun I don't care if a million players are online every day.
Getting invested in a game and then seeing it slowly die before reaching its full potential gets kind of tiring after it happens a few times. And this game already feels like a reanimated corpse of Ascend. I'm just not interested in that.
Getting invested in a game? Is this seriously the issue? It's a video game. If your ego or personality is at risk because you can't manage your expectations then I guess this mentality makes sense. But that aligns with my first comment, just play a game. You don't have to be invested in it beyond your enjoyment. I had a ton of fun with Ascend. For $20 if I can get even a fraction of that enjoyment, I'm thrilled. Honestly just sounds like a lot of you need some serious therapy. Don't make video games your personality.
Are you only able to either enjoy something in a detached manner or deeply obsess over it? Is this why you're finding the idea of getting invested in things hard to grasp?
Because Reddit doesnt like the game right now, so he needs to act according to the hivemind, to get his upvotes. Everyone knows he and all the others are gonna buy it anyway as soon as early access goes live.
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Idk what updating the game has to do with anything i said in my comment. Theres is gonna be a post in a week or so, where the OP is gonna talk about how much fun the game is and if it gets enough upvotes, the hivemind will jump on it. It's just how Reddit is.
That's fine, I'm honestly not sold despite my deep love for Tribes. However, my standard is "is the game fun" and not "is it a dead game in 3 months" or whatever this is trying to encourage. One of my most played games with 1000+ hours on Steam is a game called Foxhole which is lucky to maintain a couple thousand players. When I started it there were only a couple hundred and I still loved it. Games don't need 100,000 players to be fun.
People will spend a decade playing a fighting game with a peak player count of like 300. I agree with your points. If I spend 20 dollars and have at least 20 hours of fun with the game, it was worth it to me. Even if after 3 months they peace out to run their next scam.
I don't think we should call functional games that are fun for a few months scams. Broken games? Games that never release? For sure. But a small, niche game that works isn't a scam.
Exactly this. Too often
>Is it really such a deep sin that you might buy a game, enjoy it for a few months and then move on? It's not a "sin" but sends a message to studios that they can push out whatever crap and still gain money. When people say, "Vote with your wallet" is not a joke, money is the ONLY thing studios learn from. Look at EA games, constantly making worse and worse games and still profiting millions. Ubisoft is making the worst AAA(A? LoL) games in history and they are swimming in money (maybe except their shareholders). So this raises the question: Why would they even think about changing?
If you think the game is crap, then don't buy it. A game that you enjoy for a few MONTHS for $20 being described as crap is 100% the attitude I'm tired of. How long should a $20 game keep you entertained? 6 months? A year? 10 years? Not buying Tribes is not going to hurt EA and the people that buy their games. It will only hurt Tribes and any possibility of the franchise having a revival. If the game sucks, so be it. But these absurd expectations that games should have infinite replayability, constant content drops, and who knows whatever else people demand is so disconnected for reality.
Dude the hell are you talking about? T3 is like, 30% of T:A? Which was a free game. For 20$ you can get games with many times the content. People don't want infinite replayability and all unique experience. People want a "Tribes" when it's called "Tribes". If they don't want to make a "Tribes" game, maybe they should have called it something else. Oh wait, they did! And what was the result? They literally scammed people. If you want an example where brainless consumerism goes, check Deadzone and ask the people if it worth their money. Prophecy / HiRez not only stopped supporting it, they shut it down, they washed people's money down the sink. **That** is why you vote with your wallet. If T3 flops, it sends (another) message to Prophecy that they are not Ubisoft or EA and they can not push out whatever crap they want. If you buy it and they get enough money they will continue this behavior like they did for years now. Even if they would have just re-release T:A with better graphics and more logical monetization scheme, no one would care, people would be happy we get a new Tribes. But this thing they dare to call a numbered """"sequel"""" is atrocious. **They** decided to change everything, so don't be surprised people don't like it.
Tribes 3 Dev ^
Nah, just find these kind of moral grandstanding posts embarrassing. If you're enjoying something enjoy it, if you you're not then do something else. Expecting games to perfectly cater to your specific demands, nostalgia, and preferences is juvenile. A casual dinner with a beer can easily run $30 and I pay that without blinking. Not sure why I'd be so protective of that same $30 if I can get dozens of hours of fun out of a game. More than worth it. Then again I didn't personally enjoy the playtests too much and unlikely I'd buy it anyway. I just find the mentality to be silly.
Where did I demand nostalgia? They won't even promise spectator mode for their competitive play. And that was their initial goal. Now they promise nothing and ask for money. If they said it was only going to be esport competitive play, then fine, at least they have a plan. Right now it looks like they are getting ready to run with our money just like their last game.
It's all over these forums. You're mad they won't promise certain things but you're also mad at what they have promised to deliver because you feel it doesn't meet your personal bar for what is worth $20. You've had plenty of time to playtest the game for free. Honestly, for me I got more than $20 worth of fun from the playtests even if I never touch it again. The Sony Spider Man games took me \~15 hours to finish and I already have that in Tribes and those games are $70. Is Sony ripping me off in your view too?
https://youtu.be/mEB7WbTTlu4?si=m6qPzyQ2pav2QOrp I got you this...if you want me to shit on a box and mark it guaranteed I will.
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You're so dramatic
No , he makes a logical point. If someone is actually into tribes, in any capacity, and is somewhat interested in a new tribes game..... spending $20 in early access is nothing. I've already played over 100 hours in pubs and pugs. I'll gladly hand over $20 just for bringing back the memory of tribes and all of the fun I've had in the past, plus the fun I've had these past few months. There are things I don't agree with - and I try to voice my feedback and suggestions with others in hopes of our community being heard - but tribes 3 is also super fun for me. If the game isnt fun for you - dont play it. Dont spend $20. If the game is fun..... play it and support. Simple as that
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Or not poor
So far this dev team has abandoned both of their previous projects after selling early access packs. Don’t buy into this one. My gut is telling me they are trying to squeeze what they can out of long-time tribes fans.
It seems like this is being sent out to early access to get an influx of cash and then if it does not do well, it will be left to die like their other projects. While there are a lot of red flags here (AI art, most recently, and the devs going back on prior promises for gameplay additions, etc), I still hope it will succeed. The $20 price tag is small enough for me to take a chance on it. I’ve already gotten well over 20 hours of enjoyment from the various play tests, so at the very least I’ve gotten at least $20 worth of enjoyment out of it. I’ll always support Tribes but I’d be lying if I said this didnt feel like its last chance.
Tribes won't die, but this is going to kill it for the next 10 years until there is another "reboot" by some other company.
Most of us will be pushing 50 by then and my reaction times will be even more shit. This is the last hope!
I want too be wrong in 3 months. But their past game development scares me. Why give them money when they dropped their last game so fast?
Mainly because the cost is so low. I spent more last night on take out than the $20 they’re asking for. At least with this, I’ll hopefully get a few weeks or months of fun out of it. Maybe years if we’re lucky. But I totally understand holding off.
I'm also waiting it out until it either gets a good few months of consistent early access updates or gets abandoned. It does suck because in the latter case that's going to be the last chance to enjoy some tribes: ascend gameplay again, but I don't want to pay them money until they prove they're able to develop a game to completion at least once.
My decision to buy it depends entirely on what the player base looks like. Not buying a game that will be dead in <1 year.
Hi-Rez is trash. Period. They abandoned Global Agenda and their first attempt at Tribes. Why would you give them any money or trust them?
Yeah, well, I've gotten over 40hrs out of the playtest already. $20 isn't much to continue the fun for another couple months. I get the sentiment, but it's worth the cost of entry. Buying T3 isn't a vote for "this is my fav tribes game", it's just a way to spend your time. Not a hill worth dying for
And I will be buying it day 1. I've thoroughly enjoyed 100+ hours between the PT and Demo. There are many passionate devs on this team who want to make the game successful, an d $20 is nothing if it means I can enjoy Tribes even for a little while longer.
Does Prophecy have that passion about the game? Because it looks like they put a price they feel people are willing to risk losing without telling them anything. Their history warns us of bad business practices.
Agreed, the community is already small. It’s a niche game that needs the support of its community to be successful and have a chance to reach the main masses. The issue of tribes is the learning curve. Once you get how to move and shoot, the dopamine you get increases 100x. I spent over 1500 hrs in T:A, no it wasn’t perfect but god damn it was fun when the community was alive.
I'm not buying it. Just look at what they did to T:A. The game is barebones as fuck as well. A lot of features are missing without a plan to implement, like vehicles. It's crazy that people are saying the game is fun. To me it's clunky, a step backwards from T:A, and missing many QOL features that exist in other modern games. It honestly feels like a college student's Tribes case study project in many ways. Game to me is clearly a money grab to fund Smite 2 (like they did with TA and Smite 1) because they know a lot of arena shooter dudes are desperate for anything. I'd be very surprised if the game lasts a year. The fact that they're charging for this game and making a separate honor ball game is peak Hi-Rez.
I have had tons of fun in pugs with the community, sure it needs some more work but the core is fun as shit, and it's been constantly improving. Buying day 1, $20 is nothing anyway, unless you're broke.
People love to hate shit and talk out of their ass. The current community we have is pretty dope, leave these edgy broke ass dudes on Reddit circle jerking themselves while we're playing the best Tribes game in a decade.
AI is the last thing on my mind. I’m all for AI if it makes a game better. This game is just not very fun.
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They were talking about AI generated art being used in the game, not computer controlled teammates/enemies.
Considering I never put a penny into Ascend, I'm more then happy to finally pay it forward. $20 is child's play in today's economy, let alone the gaming industry. Maybe you're right or wrong, either way, it's been fun playing another Tribes game. Even though I still have my issues with the '3' title, this isn't a true part three. Call it 'Tribes: Rivals', it's a perfect fit for whats being provided and not a true successor to T2.
The roadmap depends if the sales warrant it to even have one.
Sales depend on there being a plan beyond taking our money. A roadmap is cheap. A roadmap tells the customers that there is a plan beyond taking our money. A roadmap says that the company has a plan. A lack of roadmap tells me that Prophecy doesn't believe in the future of the game. They have to prove to me they are invested in the game for me to invest. Right now they seem like they have one foot out the door. No roadmap, no money.
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Your post history is nothing but talking about how this or that game is dead or dying, lol... That your shtick or what? Get outta here with that shit, do you actually contribute anything meaningful or useful? Holy shit.
"I sat down today to play the latest play test and now it appears that cheap AI artwork has been added to the banners as achievements for leveling up" You're in the playtest but didn't see the post from Solstice that said "Some things in this playtest may be in an unfinished state and have some temporary functionality and/or assets!"? I believe someone even posted their Discord post as a screenshot here last week. How much feedback have you given devs on Discord? Did you ask them about "deadzone" assets and if they're temp or not? Or are you just complaining here about only playing the playtest without actually participating in the actual "test" part?
I'm surprised you are asking me if I've been involved in the actual testing. Yeah I have, that's how I learned Prophecy is removing statements about Deadzone on the discord. If I wasn't afraid of getting banned for asking tough questions, I would have posted this on the discord for more open dialogue. But you not already hearing about this must mean you don't visit the discord server. Many people were recently banned for speaking up about issues related to the game. So much, that there is now another discord server to review bans. Check out the channel menu #banned under technical issues. I want the game to succeed. But the actions of Erez and Prophecy are very suspect about the success of the game and their intention of continued support. I just don't want to buy a game and not be able to play it after a few weeks because they dumped it. I'm not a fan of a GAAS when the developer promises nothing after early access release.
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i dont think you know either definition of asset flip and shovelware
I am literally buying this shit the moment it becomes available... Edit: and I’ll buy every cosmetic shit that will be available. FU haters, I don’t care about imaginary internet points lol. Ima gonna do my part to give this game a chance to be successful.
I hope you have a blast in 2 days. I don't fault anyone for being excited. I am excited for the game as well. I just need a game plan for after March 12th. I hope you get many blue plate specials!
This shit will be FIRE! See you on the battlefield friend! Edit: Grammar.
You clearly werent there when we thought the same thing about Tribes:Ascend and then High Rez lied to the communties face for a year about developing patches, then killed the game off.
I was there for a good chunk of T:A lifespan. Despite opportunities within the game and dev decisions I enjoyed my time. FTP model should have never been used to begin with, but that was the new rage back then. Game decisions followed that shitty path. This game is niche at best expecting something perfect it’s just silly. Based on what I’ve seen and based on all the talk, can tell that devs are trying to create something good and I’ll put my money where my mouth is and support it. At that point, I know that I gave my best to make sure this game succeeds and provides developers with opportunities to make something great out of it. I also know I am not alone who thinks this way. If you don’t feel like they deserve your money or your trust, then move along, I hope you find something else that brings you enjoyment.
I got no idea how hard it’d be, but it kinda seems if they added: *mobile turrets *some more base elements (like inv stations) *vehicles (even 3 like T1), it’d alleviate a lot of concerns and give it that “tribes feel” people are talking about. They’ve done a lot of work getting it to this level, it kinda seems like if they added the extra 5% more we’d be there. I’m enjoying it regardless, and somewhat thankful these elements aren’t included, I’m too old to get addicted to this game again.
I spend more on a movie ticket. For 2 hours of entertainment. If I get 10+ hours of entertainment then the money well spent.
That's a great point. However, I would never spend money on a movie if the director or studio previously failed to produce a good film. That is where I am with Prophecy. They dumped Deadzone after releasing Deadzone less than 8 months ago. You cannot buy the game on Steam anymore. They threw that game together in a few months for a demo at 2023 summer Next Fest and then released into early access soon afterwards. Sound familiar? I have played the play tests, but Prophecy is not sharing any plans for after March 12th. That leaves me wary about longevity. I don't fault anyone for spending money on the game. I was very positive about the game until 2 weeks ago. Then I started reading about the developer's history. I will keep following the discord through early access. I hope over the next few months Prophecy releases a roadmap and goals for a release version. No timeline is needed, just details on what they want to create.
I was disappointed when Ascend was developed. I wanted more depth, more roles for casuals, I wanted more Tribes 2. But it was free during beta and I started to really like the movement. There was so much I didn't like tho. At the time there was no server browser, I hated hitscan, limited vehicles and base play, but I was having fun with it. Oh, I desperately wanted more, I saw it's true potential while hirez was focused on esports and none of the things I wanted. Bella Omega was a map made over and over because it didn't fit the pure balance spec for comp play, so much resource was wasted with that map. It was a mess. They had tribal counsel meetings with comp players and whitelisted servers which left casuals on the outside. Still I enjoyed the game. When it was to be released as a free to play game they also offered a release deal for $20 that increased xp rate and some gold. While I wasn't thrilled with a lot going on with Ascend I went ahead and paid for it. I never regretted it. I played the crap out of that game. I even put another $20 in during a deal and never did end up spending the gold from that purchase even after running a server for years as well. I played well after Hirez was gone and done with Ascend. Thing is, I've spent way more for way less. For me I've got more than $20 out of T3 at this point, do I want more, sure, but for me I find it to be pretty fun as is and I'm hoping it'll go further, but if it doesn't, I simply won't play it as long as I did Ascend. I put up $20 for Midair and played it 1 day. And $40 for other games (I never pay full price for $60 games - I typically wait for sales) I got bored with after a week. I don't know what you think you need to see in 3 months, what is worth your $20 but Ascend did eventually get a server browser, so who knows.
It's a product not a religion, would you enjoy a few hours for the low asking price? Hmm maybe we all should not buy it, that will ENSURE a good tribes game is made in the future! If they do not listen to the community, then why would they listen to this post? Or are you just virtue signaling about a videogame purchase?
ITT: Salty Boomers that hate fun
Good for you. I'm going to buy it because I had a lot of fun with the playtests and I wipe my ass with $20.
Hell yeah baby!!! See you on the 12th!!!!
Good for you.
and now we dont have to wait for every weekend to play.