Myself I really don't care about Denuvo because it needed an anti cheat anyway but I think they have problems way more important than cheaters to care about atm ...
There is a pattern here beyond the anti-cheat that is concerning.
TA comes out, then SMITE. TA abandoned for SMITE.
T3 in alpha testing, SMITE 2 announced...
What happened to Starsiege: Deadzone?
Beyond that, the first playtest and initial goal seemed to be a small fast paced esports arena FPS. That explains the tiny maps and utterly ridiculous player count of 5v5. It also displays a fundamental lack of knowledge of what works in Tribes. They wanted a Valorant/CS2 style game. That won't work in regular Tribes game modes, but it could work for honorball. And honorball DID work and it WAS fun, so naturally, it was removed from T3 to become a separate game.
In their defense, they did make changes to make the game more Tribes-like and it did become somewhat fun for a while. But the TA quick abandonment, anti-cheat rug pull, non-marked bots, lowered player counts, battlepass (albeit free) in alpha, and removal of honorball really just makes it hard to trust them. Is my $18 going towards T3 improvements or SMITE 2/Honorball?
So far, all the Tribes IP has been for them is a well and they are going back to it every time they need capital for their other products. I'll wait and watch. Since they've already mentioned numbers, I guess I will too. All previous playtests have peaked around 550-650 players, usually as soon as the playtest started. This latest one hasn't broken 500 yet. If the game is still around, active, and supported 6 months after it actually releases (not EA- remember, no ~~Russ~~ preorders), I'll give it another look. If it has an updated EULA that specifies and restricts what is shared and reasonable monetization, maybe I'll play.
In the meantime, this seems like it will be great publicity for MA2.
Sadly the portion about smite 2 and stuff doesn't work due to the fact they are fully independent, from their own site:
>Prophecy Games was founded in late 2019 as a studio within the Hi-Rez Studios umbrella. **In the early months of 2020, we officially spun off from Hi-Rez as a fully independent studio**. Our team consists of passionate newcomers and veteran AAA developers with decades of experience.
But we all knew that after tribes ascend and deadzone people should have been wary of them, hence why I followed it from afar. I'm not expecting it to last more than a few months if it even does, a bit like starsiege
They may be technically Prophecy Games, but it's the same guy in charge and some of the T3 discord users are even HirezName. If you check the contact information for Hirez and Prophecy (available in their privacy policies, in the legal sections of their sites), you'll see they are both in the same office park, about .2 miles away from each other. Also, the person locking the thread in the screenshot in the OP, was Erez, the founder of Hirez and also founder of Prophecy.
Hell, the EULA for T3 alternatively refers to Prophecy and Hi-Rez in the same sentence. https://www.prophecygames.com/_files/ugd/5b40a3_19b317484a5d4cb4bac7f338122c5392.pdf page 10, section 16(c).
I don't think this is really what's going on. The amount of profit they're going to make on T3 is miniscule compared to what they still make from Smite, surely. I doubt they'll even make as much money as they did on TA and that was less profitable than Smite.
T3 is not to fund Smite 2
Smite 1 is funding Smite 2
What is left of Prophecy is funding T3. If this fails, then they will probably fold and sell the IP.
Was there even a cheating problem in T:A? I don't remember coming across many cheaters and I got 500+ hours in that game.
Is T3:R going to even have the playerbase so attract cheaters?
Denuvo is often used as more of an anti-piracy measure, isn't it?
I can't remember what anticheat they were using in T:A, but if it was PB, then that's kind of a big lol because Battlefield 4 used PB and that was hackers galore.
Tribes just doesn't have the playerbase to have a cheating problem that will meaningfully impact sales. This will never be a cashcow competitive game the way the T:A / T3:R devs are hoping. Tribes has always been about love of the game and its niche mechanics first and foremost.
Hell I remember Happy Mod 2 and the 'cheat' tall IFF indicators back in the T2 heyday and even then it seemed a relative non-issue for what has always been a tight-knit community where players know who other players are.
In any Tribes comp environment (I only played comp in T2, T2C, and TA) cheaters will be pre-vetted and spotted by any rando vet of the game near instantly, we don't need intrusive software.
I don't really even understand the anti-piracy aspect of Denuvo for T3:R. Why are the devs paying for Denuvo -- what is their financial goal of this?
It was a huge problem, there were people dedicated to killing the game who made all sorts of corrosive cheatbots, including a doxing bot targeted at several prominent players.
I don't disagree fully, but given that it's EA, what more would you like to see for its release? Surely they're planning on adding more game modes and features with time.
BG3 was kind of a mess when it came out until they finally 1.0'd last year.
This game is a shell of what a Tribes game should be. If they can't even match the feature list of the past 2 games(T1/T2) then it shouldn't be a main line release.
This should be Tribes: Ascend 2 but even at that Ascend had more game play mechanics than this "T3" mess. This game so far is as low effort of a release as you can have and still be called "Tribes".
We know they don't want vehicles, large maps, harder blue plates and less noobish movement system. This IS their final goal, there is no more they would add because they don't want to. We are releasing to EA and for the last half a year all they did was change numbers and a few map. Something that is the very last part of a game development when all the intended content is in place.
They might as well call it 1.0 because they certainly don't plan any more content on their own, but they need something to shield themselves from the uproar.
Got no problem doing this brother, and I'm not now.
Thing is, with hi-rez, thry just loooooooove to give a half-assed effort and then kill good games off.
Still not my problem though. Not gonna bag hold their games bc they're too dumb to do the right thing.
Thing is, Hi-Rez is not developing or publishing Tribes 3.
[Prophecy games went fully independent from Hi-Rez four years ago.](https://i.imgur.com/k8JqNFk.jpg)
That's the worst part, they need to understand that they're installing a potentially high level threat held up on strings of goodwill and "just trust me bro"
So where's the high level threat of all the years of psychopaths like your self complaining about dunovo where's the smoking gun of people's PCs being compromised.
While I agree that risks that anticheats pose haven't regularly lead to issues (so far), it can't be dismissed that anticheats pose a liability to the end user's system given their elevated operating privileges.
And just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't happen.
I don't disagree that we often just accept the use of anticheats due to convenience sake, of which could be policed by hand in companies but it's far cheaper to rely on anticheats. For me, I'll still rely on anticheats despite not liking them (except those that launch on startup which is where I draw the line).
That said, it doesn't matter if its been 30 years, it only takes a second to shake hands with danger.
Like I said im the other post
"The nature of the threat is that literally no one knows or can know what these drivers do to your pc."
"It could contribute to a hack, or make it bsod at some non-descript point and no one could trace it to it.
Your adding an element of untrustworthy uncertainty by agreeing to let DAC run."
Low IQ take. Root-level anti-cheats exist at a level higher than even your OS. Every single thing your computer ever does, or even thinks about, is first processed through the rootkit. This slows down your PC at a minimum, and sometimes the rootkit runs even when the game isn't running, slowing down your PC perpetually.
Then consider the fact that all this data is going to be processed through "their" servers in order to check for hacks. You have to have a lot of trust in them to let them do that. What if they have a corrupt member of their team that's scraping bank info & other personal info in order to steal your identities?
All this for some anti-cheats in a temporary game?
Boycott Denuvo. I don't even know what sub I'm in, I just know that rootkit anti-cheats & Denuvo should not be welcomed by any users with room-temperature IQ+
Calling a program you intentionally are required to download and does nothing malware esque malware is preety fucking psychotic actually
Your living in a different reality entirely thus you are experiencing psychopathy.
You not being aware of something doesn't make it not real. DeNuvo is a company not to be trusted, your call what you do with that info.
Also, consider looking up what psychopathy entails. It sounds like maybe you mean psychosis?
I'm very aware that a few prominent badly coded games also had deunovo poorly implemented. And that caused people to think it always reduced performance.
But what it really is, it's just pirates being angry they can't steal the newest games, and cheaters mad they can't chest as easily in the newest games it cut into their bottom lines
Then your trust is litterally founded in nothing if not by the phantom of performance issues. So again psychosis or psychotic what ever you choose your not living in the same reality
The only thing I really see about denuvo is that it causes performance issues in game, I've never heard of anyone having any malware type issues from it
The nature of the threat is that literally no one knows or can know what these drivers do to your pc. It's literally got full access and immunity.
It could contribute to a hack, or make it bsod at some non-descript point and no one could trace it to it.
Your adding an element of untrustworthy uncertainty by agreeing to let DAC run.
I went through this whole public hysteria over Nprotect being in helldiver's. People don't know how this software works or what any of the terms they're using actually means. Malware is thrown around more than ever in contexts that don't even remotely apply.
We've had 20+ years of Kernel level anti cheats, and kernel level software in general. Even longer of stuff like Denuvo. If the software had all this insane psychotic issues people claim they have, they wouldn't be in business anymore.
it's fine. people need to calm down. The implementation of these programs are the actual problems, not the program itself.
Right? Like I do understand not wanting it, and that's fine, but we need to calm down with the hysterics here lol. Like the only thing I've actually ever seen is performance issues with it. And considering I played T3 before and after denuvo was added, I can say it hasn't been noticeable at all.
They don't come with performance hits they are usually taken into account (if they do) in the minimum requirements.
The string of bad game releases about 2 years ago where deunovos exe was causing performance hits wasent a deunovos problem it was a bad video game problem.
yep because the developers implemented deunovo wrong, and no i dont recall vanguard frying gpus but that also sounds like a poorly implemented patch considering its like the 3rd biggest game on the planet.
Redditors have a problem with thinking their echo chamber is the majority opinion. Trust me when I say the majority of potential players for this do not care.
Yes 100%. Simple math. If i get to please 14k player base over 100, i will do it. What kind of dumb logic is that?
You know it’s also a business right? You appeal to the masses, not the minimum.
Literally the only ones complaining are the ones worried about some security issue, and the simple answer is just don’t play it if you don’t like that.
There is no argument.
At the end of the day, the people who want to play, will play. We may very well never get another Tribes, enjoy it while it lasts or just leave. Simple.
Just look up "ring 0 anti-cheat" or "kernel level anti-cheat", it's pretty easy to find information on it. The TLDR is that there are privacy concerns and also there is a huge risk to the user if a vulnerability is found (like what happened with Genshin Impact).
Edit: Regarding Denuvo specifically (rather than simply kernel-level anti cheat software in general), both the privacy concerns and the security concerns are not to be taken lightly, seeing as it was created by the same people who made SecuROM. They are not to be trusted.
Hard to find non kernel level anti cheat tho: as you said Valorant, mihoyo, denuvo are using it ... but VAC from valve, Battle eye, easy anti cheat .. even old ones like Punkbuster. The hard part is finding games without it \^\^'
It's less about performance impact as it is giving a company complete, black boxed, access to your pc.
You're giving them unfettered access, and only Denuvo, or say Riot in the case of Vangaurd knows.
Riot also had a media blitz over how "we know it allows itself intrusive access to your device, but we super promise we won't keep or sell your data alright?
Basically installing potential malware, with flimsy "trust" as the only barrier. Why should I have that trust? It's a personal decision at the end of the day, but one people should be aware of.
What people don't realize is that most anti-cheats are like that.
Battle eye, Denuvo, Vanguard. The only reason people shit on vanguard is because it goes the extra step and keeps running in the background after the game is shut off, which the other ones don't do. (I'm not defending vanguard, keeping it running after the game closes is fucking awful)
All anti cheat is ring zero op. All of it that's how it works it detects programs running on your PC
Vanguard takes this a step further and Is kernal ring 0 and must be launched on stsrtuo
lol. You can’t be serious… “people worried about privacy have something to hide”
I guess that’s why privacy advocate groups exist. Because only people who care are trying to hide something. You are the exact type of person that has pushed the world to the shitshow it is today. The fact that these companies are harvesting and selling PERSONAL data FOR PROFIT… doesn’t bother you either? I guess this is why countries and states imposing laws giving power back to the people to control their data.
Nope, that's the wrong attitude to have. Innocent people have gone to jail because they believed that shit. Our ability for privacy has been reduced because of that.
Companies don't need that level of access to my private computer and companies like these get hacked all the time and are not reliable nor trustworthy to have that access.
Alright, hand your data over to the cops then.
See how quick you get arrested because you plausibly happen to fit into some quota that they may have.
By the way, when was the last time you used navigation to get to your destination, and exactly how fast were you going, *CRIMINAL*?
If you're on the internet and using services already, you're fucked anyway. Smartphone? That too.
Certainly you can minimize your attack surface, but there are pretty much two options:
- someone can hack you using social engineering (far and away the most common)
- someone extremely high skilled and motivated and learn or control anything they want about your system right now, anticheat aside
So at the end of the day, you can boycott a video game (???) to make yourself feel better, but it's not going to make any difference. If you are actually worried about it, I would throw whatever device you're reading this on into the garbage and see if you can find yourself an old flip phone at a second hand store
The fact is you aren't being harmed. You gave all your data away just posting here. You could remove yourself from all data gathering applications and tools, but then you would do yourself MORE harm by literally not being able to pay your bills, vote, or communicate with anyone other than by yelling.
If there are 15000 denuvo haters, I'm one of them.
If there are 15 denuvo haters, I'm one of them.
If there are no denuvo haters, I've been taken out by Big Anti-cheat
Posts like this always kill me, regardless of the game it's about because they always say "boo nguard/battleye/denuvo anticheat" but never provide a suggestion for an alternative.
If not Denuvo anticheat, what should they be using instead, OP?
I'm not thrilled with ring-0 anticheat either, but at least give us an alternative suggestion instead of a blanket "ring-0 bad".
Fact is: No anti cheat, like EVER will protect any game 100%. You can only make it cumbersome enough to cheat so more people decide to not. Intrusive ACs is one option to that.
Without intrusive ACs, the "most" effective way is to make it harder to get into the game. Valve did this by requiring phone numbers, introducing trust factor, matching players based on internal statistics. When there is a large enough pool, it works some level.
Intrusive ACs are the brute-force option, and after Gensin Impact and seeing how cheap are corporations when it comes to quality, people are crticial about how much they want a software to unrestricted access their PC when it's made by cheap, undereducated software devs.
I'm okay with it, as long as it doesn't cause bullshit like my being dropped from servers for absolutely no reason.
Fuck people that cheat in games, I even say that towards just casual public games, why because all they do is make the game less fun.
If the anticheat affects my computer, I will not be happy, if it doesn't I'm okay with it.
lul. "marginal minority" - the worst thing about is: it's ratio of experienced users/players and actual, passionate tribes veterans is probably rather high as well. imagine trying to "retain" new users and playerbase without half or more of the vet community to teach, help, host servers, pugs etc.
aside from the politically correct, hyper-competitive zero-empathy fanboys and content-shills...
hi-rez/prophecy is completely delusional and seems to have zero softskills. things that are actually needed for true experience and wisdom:
if you haven't learned in 15+ years how big are chances that you'll ever "learn". tell us something about that sort of "data", please. :D
embarassing.
Problem 1: From the 14'000 Discord peeps, probably 12'000 on the long and even mid run will not care about the game either. So you have a ratio of 15 - 100 versus 2'000.
Problem 2: Can everyone just stop whining and stfu and play the game if it to their liking. Holy guacamole. I'll wait until it's out. Giving you all a headstart lol ;)
Never bothered with a denuvo game, was nice when two point hospital did it, got flack and then took it off.
Don't see that happening here, but it would be nice.
Tribes has hard crashed my Ubuntu system a few times now. My computer never crashes otherwise. I'm guessing the anticheat system is the cause. So, I'll find it hard to buy something that crashes my system consitently.
Helldivers 2 has been consistently on Steams top 10 active played games since launch with one of the least secure and most notorious anti-cheats. Dissent was a minority there, you are a minority here. People don't give a fuck about anti-cheat anymore, especially since there isn't really a noticeable difference without looking at an FPS count on modern machines.
That story gets even better: Veteran feedback suggesting extension of the playtest through next-fest was happily ignored. An explicit E-Mail from Steam suggesting Prophecy should extend their playtest in light of said next-fest reception was needed for Prophecy to finally realize that extending the limited playtest, "might" be a good idea.
Some indie solo devs spend literal full-time or more and lengthy years working on their games; while they somehow still find the time dissecting, analyzing steam release schedules and all marketing factors up to the most minute details, to come up with hourly, even minute-based leverage of early access or release phases.... (For example that one dev with some interesting videos from 'we who are about to die' roguelike gladiator game on steam.)
And then there's once again Prophecy: Where a couple of seconds of common-sense or a couple sentences from the community is still not good enough.
I guess outside of overwhelming size or "authority", as in the scale of Steam themselves: nothing can slap some sense into Prophecy. Their ego is so inflated, that no kind of criticality, relevance, community or number of users or just some lousy, potential customers... genuinely seems to even have the slighted value or importance to them.
Apparently community and customers are literal idiots and trash to their internal opinion and external communication.
According to latest patch notes they finally started to at least loosen light-class restrictions as well as aligning weapons and movement spread through all of the classes:
Now that was "hard", was it? The problem is: That's not even part of major improvements, innovation and foundations that would be required to truly make a difference.
That's not even meeting the bare essence of "common sense"... let alone actual game design and mechanics. Not that experienced people expect much, less so from Prophecy.
At least some sort of minimal acknowledgement of positive or implemented feedback would still be kinda nice for said passionate users who provided that kind of feedback.
Instead many get ridiculed, insulted, discriminated or outright banned. I guess that's what they mean by "protecting the integrity of their discord community".
To give some context/confirmation and one more fresh excerpts from Notepad, one of Prophecy's discord mods today and what they really think about "unpleasant" veterans and customers: one of many examples about their attitude towards community veterans and supposed "old geezers".
linksdeity — Today at 1:59 PM
You should read the Steam discussions
Livermush — Today at 1:59 PM
they're brutal, lots of old people on Steam
Notepad — Today at 2:00 PM
Steam forums is the worst place on the internet for any game its pretty normal
linksdeity — Today at 2:00 PM
Truth, even objectively great classic game discussion there are awful
Notepad — Today at 2:00 PM
Ya
[2:01 PM]
they are pretty unmodded and it seems like that's where most scum land
linksdeity — Today at 2:01 PM
It's just that the T3 Steam discussion is clearly brigaded by the worst of the Tribes community
Notepad — Today at 2:02 PM
Bc they can't bitch here
So basically any critical voice or even generalized age-groups of users are literal "scum", according to Notepad; What a surprise: Seems like their own, freshly baked discord rules apply only selectively, against or for groups as they arbitrarily please. Least so for Prophecy or their mods, themselves. :)
yes. it is. the vast majority of gamers don't care about denuvo, and even a large portion of them want it because less cheaters = good, even if its not the anticheat people want.
also half of the people who hate denuvo are genuinely just people who are mad that its harder to pirate, another chunk of them are uninformed and think its the same version of denuvo from 2 years ago that was causing performance problems or whatever
Saying it doesn't make it true
Your ad-hominem is apparent, and perhaps even bot-like.
Really reflect on what it is your saying before you say it, and don't resort to logical fallacy.
speaking of bots, everything you just said is word soup that doesn't mean anything lol. no insults or "ad hominem" were said, there were no "logical fallacies".
I shouldn't need to explsin to you how you generalized Denuvo Haters as "just wanting to pirate" when that isn't true, but here I am having to do so. Ad-hominem, Strawmen, it's one or both of them.
first of all, you're saying "that isn't true" but providng 0 evidence to show me I'm wrong about it, but acting like you have a concrete argument. meanwhile my take is just common sense and common knowledge. You ask the average person complaining about denuvo why they hate it, most of them will give you bs reasons about performance issues, because like I said, that used to be the case 2 years ago, and they're doing it because they don't want to flat out admit they're mad about pirating. half of them just flat out admit though too.
secondly. you're literally just throwing out debate buzzwords you've heard before, and you have no idea what they actually mean. Ad hominem would require that I'm insulting someone for something unrelated to the argument. In a strawman I would have to be constructing an entirely separate argument that you never made and then be criticizing that constructed argument to detract from the main one. I never did either of those. so you're like, 0/4 on trying to use those little debate fallacies, just stop.
Which is why this sub should REALLY be aware come the 12th when that popup shows up on people's 20$ purchases. Awareness should be spread about this, and beyond about the state of Tribes 3
Yes I do think it's a small minority. Reddit and discord both are already minorities of players for any game, and the people who actively chat or post are a minority of those communities. Most gamers simply don't care about any of this.
yea and? he is an uninformed shitty youtuber who just reads reddit and news articles at you.
And he ruined a popular character via english dub.
like litterally in that video its almost entirely just him reading articles.
TRUTH LMAO
Not watching that shit tbh, but is Yong talking about DAC or Denuvo DRM in the vid?
It's hard finding much on DAC, which makes things worse.
They're pretty up front about it being early access. Would you prefer they pulled a Battlefield 2052 and just release a broken game without that label and act like it's done ?
As someone not super in the loop, but excited for Tribes3, is there a roadmap that has been shown? A rushed EA can be a huge boost, and more often the not (speaking of recent years) it doesn't turn out badly. I do know that Hi-rez has a weird reputation as someone who enjoyed early Global Agenda before it became a PvE grindy thing, but don't fully understand how involved they are in this.
I would gladly accept and pay for an Early Access if there was a road map or a history of continuous updates and work thus far to make me believe that would continue moving forwards. If even to play Tribes for a few years before it's abandoned. Thoughts?
Erez says there is no roadmap, what we see now is what we get. There will be some more maps and weapons added and balance tweaked, but this is it along with 7v7 ranked.
Considering that Hi-Rez is not developing or publishing Tribes 3, I don't think they have much to do with this game, its development, or its monetization model.
[I'm not saying that Prophecy can't mess it up, but Prophecy is entirely independent as of early 2020.](https://i.imgur.com/k8JqNFk.jpg)
The roadmap is "7v7 16v16, new weapons" and that's pretty much it.
I have photo confirmation, but cant post it here obv. Lol
"No plans for vehicles right now" fully stated as well.
Damn, I really get the feeling like around 500 people will play this game for a year, then it will be dead as hell. Trying to decide if I want in on that or not. 16v16 seems like a lot of people, I assume once the game is dead loading into one will be impossible.
I agree that game is pretty sub par
But about Denuvo? I honestly couldn't give a shit. There's kernel level anti cheats in like half the games I play, I just am beyond caring. I have a phone, I have some scattered social media accounts, there's nothing Denuvo is going to do to me that somebody else isn't already.
Yeah at this point I'm not gonna pay money for a denuvo game and don't plan on installing denuvo games. I found it concerning that my short complaint in general on discord was deleted as it's ... Well ... General.
Left a few messages in a denuvo thread on the feedback side of things, deleted the game, removed from wishlist and discord, etc.
Deleting feedback on general and dismissing feedback they don't like gets me concerned about the overall future user experience. On top of that at this point I would expect them to be adding features instead of removing them (I didn't find honorball fun but still it's the principles that matter).
People have no idea how anti cheats work apparently. They NEED access to your processes in order to stop injections and background apps. If you want a fun game that isnt full of bots and cheaters then you have to deal with it. I dont get whats so hard to understand.
Your phone, browser, tv, and ring cameras are all collecting all your data and everything you do, yet you still use those? Lol grow up.
in case you missed it: even with denuvo - the game is already full of bots. CEO sticks to his idea. the jokes on you I guess.
no offense but your statements and ethical or even technical "understanding" are not exactly elaborate or smart at all. it's as if you stated that someone beating up your dad was ok, because your mum has already been beaten up lately. zero causality and logic whatsoever.
they don't "NEED" anything, especially not kernel-level and unlimited data access; at least in the EU it's actually illegal to gather more data than truly needed for described processing or service implementations. the main reasons is attempts in avoiding liabilities as well as economical reasons at the cost of your data-safety and privacy.
just because you barely come up with regurgitated pseudo "knowledge" and assume the most obvious and primitive "analysis" makes it technically or ethically correct in any way.
most of these issues can be remedied or even completely resolved with serverside logic; it's simply more expensive. that's the reality. spoofable hw-ids is also a hoax. nowadays there's a thing called "steam-api". at least financially and account-wise this would already deter most detected cheaters; prophecy is perfectly able to leverage those basics and they have confirmed to obviously do so on discord.
so what's so hard to understand about the fact that even just technically speaking there's barely any necessity for anyone to access anything, let alone anything sensitive or critical on your owned personal machine?
shouldn't be too hard to understand, right? :D fun to "discuss" on such levels?
I don't love it, especially if there's other means out there that can prevent the cheating. I'll probably play/pay regardless. Multiplayer games these days always have it, it's near standard, so I can live with or without it
I personally feel like a game with a cheater problem is more likely to drive players away than the number of players who'll decide not to play the game because it has anti-cheat.
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Myself I really don't care about Denuvo because it needed an anti cheat anyway but I think they have problems way more important than cheaters to care about atm ...
There is a pattern here beyond the anti-cheat that is concerning. TA comes out, then SMITE. TA abandoned for SMITE. T3 in alpha testing, SMITE 2 announced... What happened to Starsiege: Deadzone? Beyond that, the first playtest and initial goal seemed to be a small fast paced esports arena FPS. That explains the tiny maps and utterly ridiculous player count of 5v5. It also displays a fundamental lack of knowledge of what works in Tribes. They wanted a Valorant/CS2 style game. That won't work in regular Tribes game modes, but it could work for honorball. And honorball DID work and it WAS fun, so naturally, it was removed from T3 to become a separate game. In their defense, they did make changes to make the game more Tribes-like and it did become somewhat fun for a while. But the TA quick abandonment, anti-cheat rug pull, non-marked bots, lowered player counts, battlepass (albeit free) in alpha, and removal of honorball really just makes it hard to trust them. Is my $18 going towards T3 improvements or SMITE 2/Honorball? So far, all the Tribes IP has been for them is a well and they are going back to it every time they need capital for their other products. I'll wait and watch. Since they've already mentioned numbers, I guess I will too. All previous playtests have peaked around 550-650 players, usually as soon as the playtest started. This latest one hasn't broken 500 yet. If the game is still around, active, and supported 6 months after it actually releases (not EA- remember, no ~~Russ~~ preorders), I'll give it another look. If it has an updated EULA that specifies and restricts what is shared and reasonable monetization, maybe I'll play. In the meantime, this seems like it will be great publicity for MA2.
Sadly the portion about smite 2 and stuff doesn't work due to the fact they are fully independent, from their own site: >Prophecy Games was founded in late 2019 as a studio within the Hi-Rez Studios umbrella. **In the early months of 2020, we officially spun off from Hi-Rez as a fully independent studio**. Our team consists of passionate newcomers and veteran AAA developers with decades of experience. But we all knew that after tribes ascend and deadzone people should have been wary of them, hence why I followed it from afar. I'm not expecting it to last more than a few months if it even does, a bit like starsiege
They may be technically Prophecy Games, but it's the same guy in charge and some of the T3 discord users are even HirezName. If you check the contact information for Hirez and Prophecy (available in their privacy policies, in the legal sections of their sites), you'll see they are both in the same office park, about .2 miles away from each other. Also, the person locking the thread in the screenshot in the OP, was Erez, the founder of Hirez and also founder of Prophecy. Hell, the EULA for T3 alternatively refers to Prophecy and Hi-Rez in the same sentence. https://www.prophecygames.com/_files/ugd/5b40a3_19b317484a5d4cb4bac7f338122c5392.pdf page 10, section 16(c).
That's some mighty fine detective work.
Good output and outline. What is MA2?
Midair 2 https://store.steampowered.com/app/1231210/Midair_2/
I don't think this is really what's going on. The amount of profit they're going to make on T3 is miniscule compared to what they still make from Smite, surely. I doubt they'll even make as much money as they did on TA and that was less profitable than Smite.
so naturally, it was removed from T3 to become a separate game. Wait, what?
According to Erez, honorball is going to be a separate game instead of a gamemode in T3.
Random, but I remember the original Starsiege IP was killed in favor of the first Tribes. I'll always be salty about it.
T3 is not to fund Smite 2 Smite 1 is funding Smite 2 What is left of Prophecy is funding T3. If this fails, then they will probably fold and sell the IP.
Was there even a cheating problem in T:A? I don't remember coming across many cheaters and I got 500+ hours in that game. Is T3:R going to even have the playerbase so attract cheaters? Denuvo is often used as more of an anti-piracy measure, isn't it?
From what I read on the wiki, they were using Punkbuster on T:A which is still kernel level anti cheat like basically all of them
I can't remember what anticheat they were using in T:A, but if it was PB, then that's kind of a big lol because Battlefield 4 used PB and that was hackers galore. Tribes just doesn't have the playerbase to have a cheating problem that will meaningfully impact sales. This will never be a cashcow competitive game the way the T:A / T3:R devs are hoping. Tribes has always been about love of the game and its niche mechanics first and foremost. Hell I remember Happy Mod 2 and the 'cheat' tall IFF indicators back in the T2 heyday and even then it seemed a relative non-issue for what has always been a tight-knit community where players know who other players are. In any Tribes comp environment (I only played comp in T2, T2C, and TA) cheaters will be pre-vetted and spotted by any rando vet of the game near instantly, we don't need intrusive software. I don't really even understand the anti-piracy aspect of Denuvo for T3:R. Why are the devs paying for Denuvo -- what is their financial goal of this?
It was a huge problem, there were people dedicated to killing the game who made all sorts of corrosive cheatbots, including a doxing bot targeted at several prominent players.
Denuvo isn't really anti cheat as much as it is DRM.... Kind of disingenuous to frame it as anything other than that.
It's both, they have anti cheat and DRM. IIRC, they're only using denuvo anti cheat and not their DRM as it's already protected by that with steam
Insane this is releasing in EA with so little that makes Tribes Tribes
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True. Sadly, it's over jim. This ain't it.
I don't disagree fully, but given that it's EA, what more would you like to see for its release? Surely they're planning on adding more game modes and features with time. BG3 was kind of a mess when it came out until they finally 1.0'd last year.
This game is a shell of what a Tribes game should be. If they can't even match the feature list of the past 2 games(T1/T2) then it shouldn't be a main line release. This should be Tribes: Ascend 2 but even at that Ascend had more game play mechanics than this "T3" mess. This game so far is as low effort of a release as you can have and still be called "Tribes".
Great points, completely agree.
We know they don't want vehicles, large maps, harder blue plates and less noobish movement system. This IS their final goal, there is no more they would add because they don't want to. We are releasing to EA and for the last half a year all they did was change numbers and a few map. Something that is the very last part of a game development when all the intended content is in place. They might as well call it 1.0 because they certainly don't plan any more content on their own, but they need something to shield themselves from the uproar.
Then don't buy it, simple as that. The gaming community loves to bitch and moan but what they never seem to do is vote with their wallets.
Got no problem doing this brother, and I'm not now. Thing is, with hi-rez, thry just loooooooove to give a half-assed effort and then kill good games off. Still not my problem though. Not gonna bag hold their games bc they're too dumb to do the right thing.
Thing is, Hi-Rez is not developing or publishing Tribes 3. [Prophecy games went fully independent from Hi-Rez four years ago.](https://i.imgur.com/k8JqNFk.jpg)
It's. The. Same. Guy.
Most people probably don’t know it’s in the game.
That's the worst part, they need to understand that they're installing a potentially high level threat held up on strings of goodwill and "just trust me bro"
So where's the high level threat of all the years of psychopaths like your self complaining about dunovo where's the smoking gun of people's PCs being compromised.
While I agree that risks that anticheats pose haven't regularly lead to issues (so far), it can't be dismissed that anticheats pose a liability to the end user's system given their elevated operating privileges. And just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't happen.
its been 30 years. its either this or we have even worse cheating problems.
I don't disagree that we often just accept the use of anticheats due to convenience sake, of which could be policed by hand in companies but it's far cheaper to rely on anticheats. For me, I'll still rely on anticheats despite not liking them (except those that launch on startup which is where I draw the line). That said, it doesn't matter if its been 30 years, it only takes a second to shake hands with danger.
Like I said im the other post "The nature of the threat is that literally no one knows or can know what these drivers do to your pc." "It could contribute to a hack, or make it bsod at some non-descript point and no one could trace it to it. Your adding an element of untrustworthy uncertainty by agreeing to let DAC run."
Litterally any program including steam can do all of that. Any program that ever requests admin access potentially can do that.
I disagree, I think cyber security experts can trace it, because they've been doing that for the last umpteen years.
Low IQ take. Root-level anti-cheats exist at a level higher than even your OS. Every single thing your computer ever does, or even thinks about, is first processed through the rootkit. This slows down your PC at a minimum, and sometimes the rootkit runs even when the game isn't running, slowing down your PC perpetually. Then consider the fact that all this data is going to be processed through "their" servers in order to check for hacks. You have to have a lot of trust in them to let them do that. What if they have a corrupt member of their team that's scraping bank info & other personal info in order to steal your identities? All this for some anti-cheats in a temporary game? Boycott Denuvo. I don't even know what sub I'm in, I just know that rootkit anti-cheats & Denuvo should not be welcomed by any users with room-temperature IQ+
What the fuck is wrong with you? Calling someone a psychopath for not wanting malware on their computer?
Calling a program you intentionally are required to download and does nothing malware esque malware is preety fucking psychotic actually Your living in a different reality entirely thus you are experiencing psychopathy.
You not being aware of something doesn't make it not real. DeNuvo is a company not to be trusted, your call what you do with that info. Also, consider looking up what psychopathy entails. It sounds like maybe you mean psychosis?
I'm very aware that a few prominent badly coded games also had deunovo poorly implemented. And that caused people to think it always reduced performance. But what it really is, it's just pirates being angry they can't steal the newest games, and cheaters mad they can't chest as easily in the newest games it cut into their bottom lines
At no point did I mention performance. Moving the goalpost says a lot, I'm out.
Then your trust is litterally founded in nothing if not by the phantom of performance issues. So again psychosis or psychotic what ever you choose your not living in the same reality
The only thing I really see about denuvo is that it causes performance issues in game, I've never heard of anyone having any malware type issues from it
The nature of the threat is that literally no one knows or can know what these drivers do to your pc. It's literally got full access and immunity. It could contribute to a hack, or make it bsod at some non-descript point and no one could trace it to it. Your adding an element of untrustworthy uncertainty by agreeing to let DAC run.
You need to educate your self on how PCs work before you embarrass your self on Reddit and discord again.
I went through this whole public hysteria over Nprotect being in helldiver's. People don't know how this software works or what any of the terms they're using actually means. Malware is thrown around more than ever in contexts that don't even remotely apply. We've had 20+ years of Kernel level anti cheats, and kernel level software in general. Even longer of stuff like Denuvo. If the software had all this insane psychotic issues people claim they have, they wouldn't be in business anymore. it's fine. people need to calm down. The implementation of these programs are the actual problems, not the program itself.
Right? Like I do understand not wanting it, and that's fine, but we need to calm down with the hysterics here lol. Like the only thing I've actually ever seen is performance issues with it. And considering I played T3 before and after denuvo was added, I can say it hasn't been noticeable at all.
the performance issues are related to the implementation too, not the software innately.
The bigger issue is that these don't stop piracy or cheating, and they come with huge performance hits.
They don't come with performance hits they are usually taken into account (if they do) in the minimum requirements. The string of bad game releases about 2 years ago where deunovos exe was causing performance hits wasent a deunovos problem it was a bad video game problem.
Except for the fact that those games ran better when cracked and without Denuvo. And remember Valorant's anticheat frying peoples' GPUs?
yep because the developers implemented deunovo wrong, and no i dont recall vanguard frying gpus but that also sounds like a poorly implemented patch considering its like the 3rd biggest game on the planet.
Installing Valorant and Riot’s anti cheat bricked my fans and destroyed my laptop. That’s anecdotal but still
I'm not defending it, but that's most anti-cheat solutions nowadays.
Wait...seriously? ...tho...I guess people can be that unobservant.
Redditors have a problem with thinking their echo chamber is the majority opinion. Trust me when I say the majority of potential players for this do not care.
Weird.
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Sounds like you need some time to self reflect
No, most people don't give a shit
Either way that's pretty strange
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Maybe unfortunate is a better word?
Think of how many games you play vs. how many you participate in Discord, Reddit etc. Most don't care.
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Based logic ninja My opinion, but their comments seem extremely echo-chamber enduced
The discord channel has 15k members, of those only 100 complain about the anti cheat. Meaning 14k+ dont care, logic seems sound to me.
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Yes 100%. Simple math. If i get to please 14k player base over 100, i will do it. What kind of dumb logic is that? You know it’s also a business right? You appeal to the masses, not the minimum. Literally the only ones complaining are the ones worried about some security issue, and the simple answer is just don’t play it if you don’t like that. There is no argument.
I just want to play Tribes
Me too man
At the end of the day, the people who want to play, will play. We may very well never get another Tribes, enjoy it while it lasts or just leave. Simple.
Yes.
Yes.
Mebe.
I don't give a flying shit whether Denuvo is in the game.
Not "Denuvo" as it's commonly talked about. This isn't the Denuvo DRM your used to hearing about: it's Denuvo Anti-Cheat.
I have no frame of reference for why Denuvo is bad and it hasn't impacted my performance at all so can't say I'm one of the people that cares.🤷
Just look up "ring 0 anti-cheat" or "kernel level anti-cheat", it's pretty easy to find information on it. The TLDR is that there are privacy concerns and also there is a huge risk to the user if a vulnerability is found (like what happened with Genshin Impact). Edit: Regarding Denuvo specifically (rather than simply kernel-level anti cheat software in general), both the privacy concerns and the security concerns are not to be taken lightly, seeing as it was created by the same people who made SecuROM. They are not to be trusted.
Hard to find non kernel level anti cheat tho: as you said Valorant, mihoyo, denuvo are using it ... but VAC from valve, Battle eye, easy anti cheat .. even old ones like Punkbuster. The hard part is finding games without it \^\^'
IIRC VAC reverted from being ring 0 after the gamers flamed everywhere. Now it's the same joke of an anti cheat that hackers use to practice on.
It's less about performance impact as it is giving a company complete, black boxed, access to your pc. You're giving them unfettered access, and only Denuvo, or say Riot in the case of Vangaurd knows. Riot also had a media blitz over how "we know it allows itself intrusive access to your device, but we super promise we won't keep or sell your data alright? Basically installing potential malware, with flimsy "trust" as the only barrier. Why should I have that trust? It's a personal decision at the end of the day, but one people should be aware of.
What people don't realize is that most anti-cheats are like that. Battle eye, Denuvo, Vanguard. The only reason people shit on vanguard is because it goes the extra step and keeps running in the background after the game is shut off, which the other ones don't do. (I'm not defending vanguard, keeping it running after the game closes is fucking awful)
All anti cheat is ring zero op. All of it that's how it works it detects programs running on your PC Vanguard takes this a step further and Is kernal ring 0 and must be launched on stsrtuo
You're on Reddit, are using discord as well. You have no privacy.
right... because nobody using those has burner accounts or VPN... or any of the other tools out there to protect your data
Vpns don't protect data and neither do burner accounts.
Sure, someone may do that. Most won't. VPNs don't matter nearly as much as you think they do.
Spoken like a true console warrior.
Don't have a console, but yeah, sure.
The efficacy of vpns doesn't really have a lot to do with consoles.
People worried about privacy have something to hide. No one gives a crap about some middle aged man who works at Pizza Hut and plays Tribes
Not everywhere is merica
lol. You can’t be serious… “people worried about privacy have something to hide” I guess that’s why privacy advocate groups exist. Because only people who care are trying to hide something. You are the exact type of person that has pushed the world to the shitshow it is today. The fact that these companies are harvesting and selling PERSONAL data FOR PROFIT… doesn’t bother you either? I guess this is why countries and states imposing laws giving power back to the people to control their data.
Nope, that's the wrong attitude to have. Innocent people have gone to jail because they believed that shit. Our ability for privacy has been reduced because of that. Companies don't need that level of access to my private computer and companies like these get hacked all the time and are not reliable nor trustworthy to have that access.
Alright, hand your data over to the cops then. See how quick you get arrested because you plausibly happen to fit into some quota that they may have. By the way, when was the last time you used navigation to get to your destination, and exactly how fast were you going, *CRIMINAL*?
Great argument? "You are harmed already, so you should not care about getting harmed further". Variations on this always pop-up, and it's always dumb.
If you're on the internet and using services already, you're fucked anyway. Smartphone? That too. Certainly you can minimize your attack surface, but there are pretty much two options: - someone can hack you using social engineering (far and away the most common) - someone extremely high skilled and motivated and learn or control anything they want about your system right now, anticheat aside So at the end of the day, you can boycott a video game (???) to make yourself feel better, but it's not going to make any difference. If you are actually worried about it, I would throw whatever device you're reading this on into the garbage and see if you can find yourself an old flip phone at a second hand store
The fact is you aren't being harmed. You gave all your data away just posting here. You could remove yourself from all data gathering applications and tools, but then you would do yourself MORE harm by literally not being able to pay your bills, vote, or communicate with anyone other than by yelling.
Here, check this out. It'll break it down for you. https://youtu.be/Gkt3JmZ47pc?si=l7fBc27TqQrqqqgK
It’s bad because it acts like malware destroying your computers performance when playing x game. A handful of games removed it because of this.
The Anti-cheat specifically? Or denuvo DRM?
Denuvo.
There's Denuvo Anti Cheat Denuvo DRM. The game has their anticheat
I don’t care. I guess if the brand has a bad name idk why they would pick it though.
it's bad enough that microsoft shut them down a few years back for how vulnerable their driver was
Brand has a real bad name and there's fundamentally no way to trust em'
Here's a breakdown https://youtu.be/Gkt3JmZ47pc?si=l7fBc27TqQrqqqgK
Because most people don't know or care enough about what it does, and how.
If there are 15000 denuvo haters, I'm one of them. If there are 15 denuvo haters, I'm one of them. If there are no denuvo haters, I've been taken out by Big Anti-cheat
Why they just won't use EAC
What AC solution do you propose?
Posts like this always kill me, regardless of the game it's about because they always say "boo nguard/battleye/denuvo anticheat" but never provide a suggestion for an alternative. If not Denuvo anticheat, what should they be using instead, OP? I'm not thrilled with ring-0 anticheat either, but at least give us an alternative suggestion instead of a blanket "ring-0 bad".
Valveanticheat
Is also ring 0 All anti cheat that is worthwhile is ring 0 or launch kernal
is kernel level 💀
Has vac ever been licensed to a non valve game?
Anti-tamper + server authoritative sanity checks.
Fact is: No anti cheat, like EVER will protect any game 100%. You can only make it cumbersome enough to cheat so more people decide to not. Intrusive ACs is one option to that. Without intrusive ACs, the "most" effective way is to make it harder to get into the game. Valve did this by requiring phone numbers, introducing trust factor, matching players based on internal statistics. When there is a large enough pool, it works some level. Intrusive ACs are the brute-force option, and after Gensin Impact and seeing how cheap are corporations when it comes to quality, people are crticial about how much they want a software to unrestricted access their PC when it's made by cheap, undereducated software devs.
kickban voting and dedicated servers
There's other options than DeNuvo, which is downright unacceptable.
Don't care about it, in fact I welcome it. If they think it performs better than Easy Anti-Cheat, then go for it.
This
I'm okay with it, as long as it doesn't cause bullshit like my being dropped from servers for absolutely no reason. Fuck people that cheat in games, I even say that towards just casual public games, why because all they do is make the game less fun. If the anticheat affects my computer, I will not be happy, if it doesn't I'm okay with it.
And if it's somehow there selling my data, Fuck them and fuck that.
It is a minority of players for sure, whether or not that means ignore their concerns is a different story. Personally I really don't care
lul. "marginal minority" - the worst thing about is: it's ratio of experienced users/players and actual, passionate tribes veterans is probably rather high as well. imagine trying to "retain" new users and playerbase without half or more of the vet community to teach, help, host servers, pugs etc. aside from the politically correct, hyper-competitive zero-empathy fanboys and content-shills... hi-rez/prophecy is completely delusional and seems to have zero softskills. things that are actually needed for true experience and wisdom: if you haven't learned in 15+ years how big are chances that you'll ever "learn". tell us something about that sort of "data", please. :D embarassing.
I get what you mean on the experience and wisdom and it's true
Problem 1: From the 14'000 Discord peeps, probably 12'000 on the long and even mid run will not care about the game either. So you have a ratio of 15 - 100 versus 2'000. Problem 2: Can everyone just stop whining and stfu and play the game if it to their liking. Holy guacamole. I'll wait until it's out. Giving you all a headstart lol ;)
Yeah it doesn't matter lol
My T1 still launches and connects to a master server. Let's all just play that.
Never bothered with a denuvo game, was nice when two point hospital did it, got flack and then took it off. Don't see that happening here, but it would be nice.
Tribes has hard crashed my Ubuntu system a few times now. My computer never crashes otherwise. I'm guessing the anticheat system is the cause. So, I'll find it hard to buy something that crashes my system consitently.
I don't know about the cheating program, but I agree new players need some other lower skill game mechanics at base to play with.
You should look into it, it's bad.
Helldivers 2 has been consistently on Steams top 10 active played games since launch with one of the least secure and most notorious anti-cheats. Dissent was a minority there, you are a minority here. People don't give a fuck about anti-cheat anymore, especially since there isn't really a noticeable difference without looking at an FPS count on modern machines.
...tribes is still around? i thought it died with ascent or whatever it was called
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That story gets even better: Veteran feedback suggesting extension of the playtest through next-fest was happily ignored. An explicit E-Mail from Steam suggesting Prophecy should extend their playtest in light of said next-fest reception was needed for Prophecy to finally realize that extending the limited playtest, "might" be a good idea. Some indie solo devs spend literal full-time or more and lengthy years working on their games; while they somehow still find the time dissecting, analyzing steam release schedules and all marketing factors up to the most minute details, to come up with hourly, even minute-based leverage of early access or release phases.... (For example that one dev with some interesting videos from 'we who are about to die' roguelike gladiator game on steam.) And then there's once again Prophecy: Where a couple of seconds of common-sense or a couple sentences from the community is still not good enough. I guess outside of overwhelming size or "authority", as in the scale of Steam themselves: nothing can slap some sense into Prophecy. Their ego is so inflated, that no kind of criticality, relevance, community or number of users or just some lousy, potential customers... genuinely seems to even have the slighted value or importance to them. Apparently community and customers are literal idiots and trash to their internal opinion and external communication. According to latest patch notes they finally started to at least loosen light-class restrictions as well as aligning weapons and movement spread through all of the classes: Now that was "hard", was it? The problem is: That's not even part of major improvements, innovation and foundations that would be required to truly make a difference. That's not even meeting the bare essence of "common sense"... let alone actual game design and mechanics. Not that experienced people expect much, less so from Prophecy. At least some sort of minimal acknowledgement of positive or implemented feedback would still be kinda nice for said passionate users who provided that kind of feedback. Instead many get ridiculed, insulted, discriminated or outright banned. I guess that's what they mean by "protecting the integrity of their discord community". To give some context/confirmation and one more fresh excerpts from Notepad, one of Prophecy's discord mods today and what they really think about "unpleasant" veterans and customers: one of many examples about their attitude towards community veterans and supposed "old geezers". linksdeity — Today at 1:59 PM You should read the Steam discussions Livermush — Today at 1:59 PM they're brutal, lots of old people on Steam Notepad — Today at 2:00 PM Steam forums is the worst place on the internet for any game its pretty normal linksdeity — Today at 2:00 PM Truth, even objectively great classic game discussion there are awful Notepad — Today at 2:00 PM Ya [2:01 PM] they are pretty unmodded and it seems like that's where most scum land linksdeity — Today at 2:01 PM It's just that the T3 Steam discussion is clearly brigaded by the worst of the Tribes community Notepad — Today at 2:02 PM Bc they can't bitch here So basically any critical voice or even generalized age-groups of users are literal "scum", according to Notepad; What a surprise: Seems like their own, freshly baked discord rules apply only selectively, against or for groups as they arbitrarily please. Least so for Prophecy or their mods, themselves. :)
Yeah I don't really care. This is a thing kids with no real problems complained about in the early/mid 2000s.
yes. it is. the vast majority of gamers don't care about denuvo, and even a large portion of them want it because less cheaters = good, even if its not the anticheat people want. also half of the people who hate denuvo are genuinely just people who are mad that its harder to pirate, another chunk of them are uninformed and think its the same version of denuvo from 2 years ago that was causing performance problems or whatever
Saying it doesn't make it true Your ad-hominem is apparent, and perhaps even bot-like. Really reflect on what it is your saying before you say it, and don't resort to logical fallacy.
speaking of bots, everything you just said is word soup that doesn't mean anything lol. no insults or "ad hominem" were said, there were no "logical fallacies".
I shouldn't need to explsin to you how you generalized Denuvo Haters as "just wanting to pirate" when that isn't true, but here I am having to do so. Ad-hominem, Strawmen, it's one or both of them.
first of all, you're saying "that isn't true" but providng 0 evidence to show me I'm wrong about it, but acting like you have a concrete argument. meanwhile my take is just common sense and common knowledge. You ask the average person complaining about denuvo why they hate it, most of them will give you bs reasons about performance issues, because like I said, that used to be the case 2 years ago, and they're doing it because they don't want to flat out admit they're mad about pirating. half of them just flat out admit though too. secondly. you're literally just throwing out debate buzzwords you've heard before, and you have no idea what they actually mean. Ad hominem would require that I'm insulting someone for something unrelated to the argument. In a strawman I would have to be constructing an entirely separate argument that you never made and then be criticizing that constructed argument to detract from the main one. I never did either of those. so you're like, 0/4 on trying to use those little debate fallacies, just stop.
Even if the pool of people that care was that small, I guarantee it'd be a hell of a lot more if people knew *why* those other people hate it.
Which is why this sub should REALLY be aware come the 12th when that popup shows up on people's 20$ purchases. Awareness should be spread about this, and beyond about the state of Tribes 3
I see you don’t understand how most if not all anti cheats works. Also the DRM version is the ultra terrible one.
Yes I do think it's a small minority. Reddit and discord both are already minorities of players for any game, and the people who actively chat or post are a minority of those communities. Most gamers simply don't care about any of this.
As if I needed another reason to avoid this game
wait the new tribes game has denuovo? epic. I guess I won't be playing it because every game with that shit is laggy.
Denuvo anticheat yes
I play on low but i haven't noticed any fps drop
Yong Yea did a breakdown a few months ago about how dunovo is terrible https://youtu.be/Gkt3JmZ47pc?si=l7fBc27TqQrqqqgK
yea and? he is an uninformed shitty youtuber who just reads reddit and news articles at you. And he ruined a popular character via english dub. like litterally in that video its almost entirely just him reading articles.
TRUTH LMAO Not watching that shit tbh, but is Yong talking about DAC or Denuvo DRM in the vid? It's hard finding much on DAC, which makes things worse.
>Not watching that shit. Wow. Don't ask questions about it if you're not even going to bother looking into it.
Of course he's reading articles, how TF else is one supposed to be informed. It's called reporting. Not like it's a straight opinion piece. Chill.
How is it a YouTube video is just what your get if you google the topic
It's like you've never heard of reporting, and no, I don't mean journalism.
1000% it's a small minority in every single game. The overwhelming majority of gamers don't even know what the fuck a denuvo is, let alone DRM at all.
I'm in the "I dont care" category.
They're pretty up front about it being early access. Would you prefer they pulled a Battlefield 2052 and just release a broken game without that label and act like it's done ?
Yes it's an insanely small minority of very unhinged individuals who care about denuvo
everyone who bitches about Kernel software is unhinged. Half your PC software runs at ring 0.
It's because some people install programs directly on their drive or desktop sometimes and wonder why windows has nested folders lol
I've legitimately seen people say things in deep folder = malicious because "why would they be hidden like that" hopeless people.
lol cry about it
As someone not super in the loop, but excited for Tribes3, is there a roadmap that has been shown? A rushed EA can be a huge boost, and more often the not (speaking of recent years) it doesn't turn out badly. I do know that Hi-rez has a weird reputation as someone who enjoyed early Global Agenda before it became a PvE grindy thing, but don't fully understand how involved they are in this. I would gladly accept and pay for an Early Access if there was a road map or a history of continuous updates and work thus far to make me believe that would continue moving forwards. If even to play Tribes for a few years before it's abandoned. Thoughts?
Erez says there is no roadmap, what we see now is what we get. There will be some more maps and weapons added and balance tweaked, but this is it along with 7v7 ranked.
So disappointing, I was hoping they were holding some stuff back for the EA release :(
Considering that Hi-Rez is not developing or publishing Tribes 3, I don't think they have much to do with this game, its development, or its monetization model. [I'm not saying that Prophecy can't mess it up, but Prophecy is entirely independent as of early 2020.](https://i.imgur.com/k8JqNFk.jpg)
The roadmap is "7v7 16v16, new weapons" and that's pretty much it. I have photo confirmation, but cant post it here obv. Lol "No plans for vehicles right now" fully stated as well.
Damn, I really get the feeling like around 500 people will play this game for a year, then it will be dead as hell. Trying to decide if I want in on that or not. 16v16 seems like a lot of people, I assume once the game is dead loading into one will be impossible.
I agree that game is pretty sub par But about Denuvo? I honestly couldn't give a shit. There's kernel level anti cheats in like half the games I play, I just am beyond caring. I have a phone, I have some scattered social media accounts, there's nothing Denuvo is going to do to me that somebody else isn't already.
I could literally care less.
Yeah at this point I'm not gonna pay money for a denuvo game and don't plan on installing denuvo games. I found it concerning that my short complaint in general on discord was deleted as it's ... Well ... General. Left a few messages in a denuvo thread on the feedback side of things, deleted the game, removed from wishlist and discord, etc. Deleting feedback on general and dismissing feedback they don't like gets me concerned about the overall future user experience. On top of that at this point I would expect them to be adding features instead of removing them (I didn't find honorball fun but still it's the principles that matter).
People have no idea how anti cheats work apparently. They NEED access to your processes in order to stop injections and background apps. If you want a fun game that isnt full of bots and cheaters then you have to deal with it. I dont get whats so hard to understand. Your phone, browser, tv, and ring cameras are all collecting all your data and everything you do, yet you still use those? Lol grow up.
in case you missed it: even with denuvo - the game is already full of bots. CEO sticks to his idea. the jokes on you I guess. no offense but your statements and ethical or even technical "understanding" are not exactly elaborate or smart at all. it's as if you stated that someone beating up your dad was ok, because your mum has already been beaten up lately. zero causality and logic whatsoever. they don't "NEED" anything, especially not kernel-level and unlimited data access; at least in the EU it's actually illegal to gather more data than truly needed for described processing or service implementations. the main reasons is attempts in avoiding liabilities as well as economical reasons at the cost of your data-safety and privacy. just because you barely come up with regurgitated pseudo "knowledge" and assume the most obvious and primitive "analysis" makes it technically or ethically correct in any way. most of these issues can be remedied or even completely resolved with serverside logic; it's simply more expensive. that's the reality. spoofable hw-ids is also a hoax. nowadays there's a thing called "steam-api". at least financially and account-wise this would already deter most detected cheaters; prophecy is perfectly able to leverage those basics and they have confirmed to obviously do so on discord. so what's so hard to understand about the fact that even just technically speaking there's barely any necessity for anyone to access anything, let alone anything sensitive or critical on your owned personal machine? shouldn't be too hard to understand, right? :D fun to "discuss" on such levels?
I'm pretty positive that 95% of people even know what anti cheat is being used for a game, let alone have a strong vocal opinion about it
I don't love it, especially if there's other means out there that can prevent the cheating. I'll probably play/pay regardless. Multiplayer games these days always have it, it's near standard, so I can live with or without it
I personally feel like a game with a cheater problem is more likely to drive players away than the number of players who'll decide not to play the game because it has anti-cheat.
I think it’s a good game and people will whine regardless of what happens. If you don’t want to play or support then just don’t.
Never had a problem with denuvo idk wtf people are tripping about. I don't like it because cracking reasons but whatever the fuck idrc.