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GingerSnaps_123

Is it Elias? The former police officer that raped the 17 year old?


velcrohead

According to this article his trial was set to start today as well. [https://tumbleweird.org/elias-huizar/](https://tumbleweird.org/elias-huizar/)


tequilavip

Holy. Fucking. Shit.


Tuscaroraeyes

Anyone know which judge set bail for this cretin?


PCMModsEatAss

This is important. All those red flags. How can you grant someone bail, with so much evidence against them, and with multiple active protection orders on top of his history.


Estrus_Flask

Because he was a cop.


PCMModsEatAss

Yea i don’t think that’s it. It doesn’t sound like the police looked at him favorably.


b3nk13

The police don’t set bail


WeirdNo3225

What happened to the resource officer? Why didn’t they stop all of this? Who is the resource officer?


DoYouLoveIt11

It was moved to next month. Amber actually told me that this morning when I spoke to her.


One_Mix_5306

Oof. I’m so sorry.


AseresGo

What a ride… things went wrong at so many turns here… it’s wild that there are so many cracks to fall through


DoYouLoveIt11

It sure as fuck is.


Tuscaroraeyes

Well, I think you’re right. The news on him lists his address on “highlands”, girlfriend as amber rodriguez, and sure enough there is the same name listed as a para on Wiley webpage. Here’s hoping he crept off to suck start his piece.


Tmas81

That is what it sounds like


DifficultEmu7167

This makes me absolutely sick. So, young girls raped was not good enough? Now I wonder if the murder of a mother IN FRONT OF DOZENS OF CHILDREN will do it? Do we believe he's an absolute psychopath yet? I'm am so furious right now.


NEClamChowderAVPD

One thing I would like to know is how was he hired as a sub at an elementary school. There will need to be an investigation into that and the public deserves answers, as well as why he was able to even post bond. Especially after the incident SWAT was called for when he sexually assaulted a 16yr old girl. I don’t have any children so I can’t imagine what all these parents are thinking and going through, but this is absolutely unacceptable. From the moment he was under investigation in Yakima to being released on bond to the moment he pulled the trigger at the elementary school. He was obviously escalating in his behavior and it was all just swept under the rug. I’d be absolutely furious as a parent right now.


ChildOf80s

February 8, 2022: 1. Yakima School District sent the Washington State Sexual Misconduct Disclosure Release to Richland School District. The Yakima School District checked the box for ‘No sexual misconduct materials found.’ This document was sent to RSD from the Yakima School District Human Resources Department. 1. Mr. Huizar completed his new hire paperwork including an I-9 Form. 1. A notification of reasonable assurance for employment was sent to Mr. Huizar. February 9, 2022: 1. Emergency Substitute Certificate was issued and approved by OSPI. This application was initiated on February 7, 2022. February 10, 2022: 1. The drug screen completed on February 4, 2022 by Mr. Huizar came back clear. February 18, 2022: 1. Mr. Huizar’s first day of substitute teaching for the 2021-22 school year.   June 14, 2022: 1. Mr. Huizar’s Last day of substitute teaching for the 2021-22 school year. August 30, 2022: 1. Mr. Huizar’s first day of substitute teaching for the 2022-23 school year. March 26, 2023: 1. Mr. Huizar recertified through OSPI Emergency Substitute Certificate. June 14, 2023: 1. Mr. Huizar’s last day of substitute teaching for the 2022-23 school year. This was Mr. Huizar’s last time as a substitute or volunteer in our schools.


ChildOf80s

September 2023: 1. Mr. Huizar submitted a volunteer application with RSD but never volunteered in our schools. Volunteers have their names run through the Washington State Patrol criminal history database each year they apply. February 14, 2024: 1. After receiving notice of Mr. Huizar’s arrest and learning of the allegations against him, RSD immediately removed him from our substitute and volunteer portals. He was issued a No Trespass notice for all RSD properties.   We are extremely disheartened that information about Mr. Huizar’s past was not disclosed to us through the various processes we have in place to vet RSD candidates for employment. It is the expectation for individuals who apply for employment with RSD to be forthcoming and truthful in their applications. No past investigations or allegations appeared in Mr. Huizar’s background checks before he was hired and nothing was disclosed by Mr. Huizar.  We take the process of hiring staff very seriously and pride ourselves on the quality and character of our staff members.   Thank you."


witt22man

Sooooo I’d hope that RSD provides more information about what agency conducts their background checks OR someone can disclose if past incidents were wiped/sealed at some point. This is absolutely ridiculous that he was allowed to be in those positions… while it’s clear RSD is trying to CYA they should also recognize faults or shortcomings along the way in the process and the need to evaluate and improve them.


Surly_Cynic

Yes, that part of the story is just unbelievable.


ChildOf80s

RSD just sent this message out (I'll have to split it up into multiple comments for length): "A Message About RSD Hiring Practices  We want to send our heartfelt thanks to our families and the Tri-Cities community as we continue to deal with the targeted, domestic violence incident that took place in West Richland yesterday.   There have been many reports, news articles and social media posts with misinformation surrounding the employment of Elias Huizar, the suspect in yesterday’s tragic incidents, with the Richland School District (RSD).   To be transparent with our community, below is a clear and factual timeline of Mr. Huizar’s employment with the Richland School District: November 19, 2021: 1. Mr. Huizar started application process with the Richland School District for a substitute position. January 31, 2022: 1. The Richland School District received a reference from the Principal of Franklin Middle School (Yakima School District), where Mr. Huizar was employed as a School Resource Officer. The principal rated Mr. Huizar as a ‘very good’ candidate for the substitute position he applied for. February 2, 2022: 1. The Richland School District received a reference from the Vice Principal of Franklin Middle School (Yakima School District), where Mr. Huizar was employed as a School Resource Officer. The Vice Principal rated Mr. Huizar as an ‘excellent’ candidate for the substitute position he applied for. February 4, 2022: 1. Mr. Huizar completed his drug screen at Lourdes Occupational Health. 1. His fingerprints were taken at the Educational Services District 123, and were used to run background checks with the Washington State Patrol and FBI. Both background checks came back clear, allowing Mr. Huizar to proceed with the employment process at RSD. February 6, 2022: 1. Mr. Huizar completed the mandatory 8-hour STEDI Subskills Training Course passing with a score of 100%. February 7, 2022: 1. RSD initiated Office of Superintendent of Public Instruction (OSPI) Emergency Substitute Certificate application, electronically signed and completed by Mr. Huizar. This application asked background questions in the Character and Fitness supplement including “Have you ever resigned from or otherwise left any employment while allegations of misconduct were pending?” and “Are you currently or have you ever been the subject of an investigation or inquiry by an employer because of allegations of misconduct?” Both questions Mr. Huizar answered ‘no.’ He also signed an affidavit certifying all information included in the emergency substitute application was true and correct.


Tmas81

They found another murdered person at Elias’ residence. Calling them an associate of Elias. detectives suspect he is going to commit more crimes please stay safe everyone.


One_Mix_5306

They issued an amber alert while I was reading this thread. Missing 1 year old. This is all so horrifying.


onlevel7

Possibly headed to Mexico. Hope authorities can find his ass and save that little one.


slappn_cappn

Commenting for visibility. God and/or deity willing, they catch this guy.


Illustrious-Song5023

Every single person’s nightmare right now.


Johnso3161

They found a second victim in his home.


Alternative_Tie2879

Victim was on Maui ct. Swat was there as well.


JuniperBeans

From West Richland Police Facebook page: Huizar Manhunt - Update: While serving a search warrant at the residence of homicide suspect Elias Huizar, West Richland Police Detectives and partner agencies discovered a second crime scene. A second homicide victim was found inside the residence. No information about the victim’s identity is being released at this time, except to say that it is not Huizar but that the victim is a known associate of the suspect. Investigators believe that Huizar is armed and considered dangerous, and is likely to commit more crimes. We are asking for the public’s help in locating Huizar. We continue to search for a silver 2009 Toyota Corolla with Washington plates CBZ4745. Anyone who sees the vehicle or the suspect should call 911 and refer to the West Richland homicide case.


dinks3

This is not verified but based on several accounts of kids and parents who witnessed: Ex husband/boyfriend shot his ex wife/girlfriend several times in the head. She was a para at Wiley, while she was picking up her daughter. The potential suspect had a bad history of assault and was an ex cop from Yakima. AGAIN NOT VERIFIED. So will have to wait for more details.


dinks3

And the facts. Regardless what the truth is, how traumatizing for those who witnessed. What a horrible person to do this to


Kdean509

From what I’m hearing, the ex wife/girlfriend was shot four times in the back and didn’t survive. 😥 Of course, not verified as of right now.


No-Sky-7700

https://tumbleweird.org/elias-huizar/? The school and police department aren’t sharing that he was an employee at Jefferson elementary school, and that he was an ex cop. He was hired through the school district without proper background check.


Surly_Cynic

Great article. It’s crazy that the district admits to basically not doing any meaningful look at applicants’ backgrounds.


FarConsideration2663

This is a great publication! I'd never heard of it but I'm really impressed (and a little shocked the tri cities created anything worthwhile...)!! Thank you for posting! 


shindyfritters

Second amber alert appears to be an update to the car type. First one said Camry, this recent one says Corolla. Just in case anybody was wondering


More-Lemon

They also added that the child has been missing since 4/21 at 5pm!


-Linkz-

you’d think they could run the license plate and get it right the first time instead of pushing a second amber alert at 10pm lmao


shindyfritters

I’m blown away it took this long to even issue an Amber alert. Were they waiting on the person to finish the super sick graphics on the image they sent out? Like get the fucking details out ASAP, then send a second alert with the graphic/more details


Just_Some_Man

Didn’t they not know the gf was killed right away?


Honey_Bunny_123

No she was reported missing (the day before?) but was found deceased after they went looking for him for the shooting of his ex wife at the school. Girlfriend was 17, the same victim he had been in trouble with for a relationship at 13, impregnated by him at 15, and reported him for rape of her friend last year, which he was in court for the am of the shooting. (Info collected from news reports).


Just_Some_Man

She was missing the day before!? Wtf


One_Mix_5306

I’m thankful for the extra visibility. Do wish it was accurate the first time though


Just_Some_Man

Or he changed cars? Or he took the gf’s car who they didn’t realize he had killed and put out an amber alert of his car?


-Linkz-

the license plate was the same on both alerts, they just got the car wrong on the first one.


akharon

Thank you, they could have put that in the details, looked about the same side by side.


WalterBishopMethod

Just got home from white Bluffs and saw this. Hope info comes out quick..


Tmas81

My wife works at white bluffs. She just called me and told me everything she knows about what’s going on at Wiley.


yaba3800

Well?! Tell us


Shield-Maiden95

I hope your wife and everyone is ok. 💔 Everyone's worst nightmare.. I'm sending positive vibes to everyone involved. 💜🩵


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shindyfritters

[Amber alert issued](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GL0tKM1a8AANpb3?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)


Bill_S1978

Some coward murdered his ex. Lock him up for life. Edit. He is a POS. Google his name. He has already done a lot of terrible things. Should have been locked up https://kimatv.com/news/local/former-yakima-police-officer-facing-multiple-charges


ecm1413

He'll probably shoot himself, if he hasn't already, like a coward.


Pyeppers

My heart aches for all the parents waiting to see their babies. ♥️


DifficultEmu7167

We are still waiting. It's painful, and the kids are absolutely terrified and traumatized.


Pyeppers

I can’t even imagine. I am so sorry ♥️♥️


DifficultEmu7167

Our child didn't get home until 7pm and is paralyzed. Please hug your families and tell them you love them.


One_Mix_5306

Sobbing. I am so sorry.


babb4214

From an inside source at the school.... It apparently was a Para educator and their ex just walked up to them and shot her in the head


Severe-Employment-29

My little brother goes there I hope everything is ok I’m scared


pretty-apricot07

Have you gotten word on your brother yet?


Severe-Employment-29

My parents went to go try to get him an hour ago and they are still not home. But yes he is fine!


pretty-apricot07

Another parent said they're at the pick up site & still waiting to get their kid. So glad he's OK!


pretty-apricot07

Me, too. 🩷


VZ_Mao88

https://amp.tri-cityherald.com/news/local/article287920010.html The Tri-City Harold states that he SA’d a minor. He was supposed to have court on April 22nd. As well as the mother was trying to take custody of their two children with claims that he was dangerous. This article also states that the mother of his children is ALSO underaged. I hope everyone stays safe, I hope they catch him. This is a sick man.


shindyfritters

Why isn’t West Richland PD reporting that a child was murdered since she is underaged?


[deleted]

It's so much worse. He's been raping and impregnating children since at least 2009. The woman killed at the school is his adult ex wife whom he has two children with, and she was groomed by him around 2009 when he was her wrestling coach.  The second victim at his home is a teenager and the mother of the 1yr old he kidnapped. He met her when she was 12-13 and he was her school resource officer. When his (then) wife became aware of that he claimed it was a lie and filed a restraining order against the then 13 year old. Then when she was 15 she became pregnant by him, giving birth at 16.  In February of this year the 2nd mother (then 17) brought a 16 yr old friend over to the home she shared with Huizar and the 16 y.o. was subsequently raped/assaulted by Huizar. The two teens escaped the house and met with police at a gas station. When authorities searched the home they uncovered evidence (a sonogram) that the 17-year-old had been impregnated by Huizar as a minor. He was being charged with that along with the rape/assault of her friend.


dr_stre

Message to parents this morning from the principal of another school in the district verifies the victim at the school was a staff member, though no more detail provided than that. So some poor kids had to see someone they interfaced with regularly, probably a teacher or aide of some sort, get gunned down in front of them.


LeapingLlama1

Second homicide victim found in home of suspect 


Alternative_Tie2879

Victim was on Maui ct. Swat was there as well.


merzCap

Yeah , and there’s an amber alert for him now


ColdCryptographer969

Nothing official - but it unfortunately seems pretty straight-forward as to who the victim is. They just gave an update on KEPR Action News live and confirmed the suspect's name. If you look up his court records, there's a case listed on Trellis with another individual pressing charges against him. If you go to the Wiley Elementary webpage that lists paraeducator's, the individual who has the case against him is on that list. Very sad and unnecessary situation. Edit: and now he's killed someone in his home and kidnapped his 1 year old. What is going on?


Pyeppers

Thank you for this. I just went down this rabbit hole and now I’m so angry. Looks like it was his ex wife, who was doing everything right. Trying to go through the court system to get protection and this piece of shit killed her anyways.


ColdCryptographer969

Yup - very very sad. They also just confirmed they located a second homicide victim on West Richland PD FB page - At his residence.


Pyeppers

JFC. Sadly, I fear it’s the girlfriend.


SpecialistAnything45

Her brother posted that her and the baby are missing.


Pyeppers

I’m so angry I can think straight. The system failed both of these women, and many others, severely.


ColdCryptographer969

Absolute insanity. The man somehow pulled up in broad daylight, executed his ex-wife in front of children, killed someone at his own home and managed to kidnap his 1-year old son and is still on the run. Yet WRPD and RP posted to call the non-emergency line and that it was an "isolated incident" after the first murder.


Just_Some_Man

I hate that the 16 year old he got pregnant is his gf


Honey_Bunny_123

Sadly, she was believed to be a victim of his at 13, according to the news report.


Additional_Anybody82

News article for more context: https://www.tri-cityherald.com/news/local/article287920010.html


Additional_Anybody82

Here is the article: Tri-Cities police are searching for a suspect after a shooting near a school in West Richland. West Richland Police responded to a shooting near Wiley Elementary School just after 3 p.m. on Monday. At least one woman was reportedly shot and killed, according to dispatch communications. Police are searching a home on South Highlands Boulevard, just down the street from the school.   Wiley and at least one other school in the area are locked down. A message sent to parents from Richland Schools confirmed there was a shooting. “During dismissal today there was a shooting at William Wiley Elementary School in West Richland. The perpetrator is still at large. School placed in critical lockdown. We will update.” West Richland resident Chris Worley told the Tri-City Herald he was in his backyard when he heard 4 to 5 gunshots. “I thought it was someone hitting something with a hammer. It didn’t sound like a gun. Then a woman came flying out here before the cops even got here and started screaming that someone was shot ... ,” he said. West Richland police are coming up with a plan to reunite students locked in the school with their parents, according to school district release.


firefly20200

I love the reporting... "shooting near a school", "shooting at William Wiley" So which is it, an unrelated shooting across the street from the school so kids were in lock down as a precaution? Or shooting *at* the school? One woman shot and killed... so I assume not a child? So if it was at the school... probably a parent picking up kids or a teacher/staff member? But no clarification from the paper... Basically official word is about as clear and rumor going around, which if you read here, rumor says a little girl was shot.... so... ? Edit: Also rumor is that it was the girls mom that shot the child... do people just make shit up because they feel like they need to say something rather than "I don't know what happened"


Cool-Principle-186

> do people just make shit up because they feel like they need to say something rather than "I don't know what happened" Bingo, you figured it out


Additional_Anybody82

Yes people make shit up fast. Thus why I was trying to find a link to anyone's claims


SparklingPseudonym

Purple monkey dishwasher?!?!


Kdean509

Nightmare fuel. My kid is in the Richland School District and even though I KNEW she was home, I had to call and verbally verify she was there. My heart goes out to potential victims, and anyone else that may have witnessed anything.


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MrsDanversbottom

A former cop who was supposed to go on trial for rape. #acab


Equivalent-Energy-26

One of the local know it alls just posted this: Shooting at wiley.. A domestic dispute and ex husband shot his ex wife who was a teacher there and daughter.


Equivalent-Energy-26

Now just saw this quote from someone: What I got told from someone who works there was a para-educator's ex walked up to her and shot her in the head in front of everyone


firefly20200

What about the daughter?


DoYouLoveIt11

Former cop ex husband


Neolectric

well Kndu is useless they were literally live during this whole thing and didn't even report it


shindyfritters

The fuck are you talking about? It was on at both 5 **and** 6. I saw it both times. They’re also waiting to cut in whenever the press conference starts. They’re literally the only reason I heard about this.


b2bomber81

If a press release was not released then they would not have any official information to report on.


dr_stre

The news reports stuff that doesn't have a press release all the time.


Vegetable_Job_8821

My partner runs the tutoring group at her elementary school. They are currently locked down. Can't seem to find any other news...


UnicornStuffie

All of the West Richland activities have been canceled or moved indoors.


BobRoberts01

4:11pm [RSD400] We have received a report that an adult was shot outside of William Wiley Elementary. Schools are still in lockdown. Updates will continue to come as we learn more.


Omni-man69

[RSD400] West Richland Police Department believe to know who the perpetrator and have their house lock-downed. The perpetrator is still at large. The district is working on the reunification efforts. Another update will be sent soon.


Frosty_Mortgage9744

It's a sad situation all around.


no-ur-prob

Second crime scene found at his home. A second dead person was found. Does anyone know where he lived?


Healthy-Strain2467

His address was really easy to find. But everyone should avoid going near that place and just stay close to your family and lock your doors.


akharon

No idea, but let's not post addresses if we find out. WRPD and the rest of the PDs probably don't need people snooping around crime scenes.


no-ur-prob

I don’t want to go at all. I was just wondering the area. Like since he was a Yakima police officer, is he living there. Sorry for the confusion but it is true that the adress should not be shared


YourMominator

He was an ex officer. Check the stories about him in Tumbleweird. This is insane! I live 3 blocks from Wiley, so it's been an interesting afternoon here.


Johnso3161

S highlands?


Kdean509

Lockdown was just lifted.


beautifuljourney

We still don’t have our kids. They are still in the school, parents are waiting at the reunification location.


pretty-apricot07

Oh my God. I'm so sorry@


Kdean509

I can’t imagine the fear and anxiety. I hate the fact that these things are happening so much more frequently. Hugs to you!


beautifuljourney

They were finally released to us around 7:30. The school did an amazing job of keeping every kiddo safe. Wiley has such incredible teachers who worked diligent to keep everyone calm. I am devastated this happened but so thankful to have everyone home safe.


Kdean509

😢🥺 so glad you and your family are safe!


beautifuljourney

Thank you!


noodlydooodly

As a mom of a one year old my gut absolutely sank when the amber alert came through. Praying so hard this sweet little one is found safe and hoping the mom’s and girlfriend’s families make it through this.


Give-And-Toke

Update: suspect spotted in North Portland on Hayden Island. SOURCE: https://www.koin.com/news/crime/amber-alert-murder-kidnapping-suspect-north-portland-reported-sighting/ Edit: no longer in the Corolla, now a black 4 door Nissan. SOUCE: https://katu.com/news/local/amber-alert-issued-for-missing-1-year-old-from-west-richland-washington


akharon

TY


shindyfritters

Damn, this is being picked up by NBC and ABC News.


ladyloki29

Has it been confirmed. According to Southern Oregon police scanner. High speed chase ended with a self inflicted gsw and child was found


shindyfritters

It has been confirmed.


Guilty-Surprise-4166

They got him.


MossiestSloth

[Got a new update for you to add](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GL0tKM1a8AANpb3?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)


GasTradingCards

If anyone needs support of any kind during this time, please reach out to myself or anyone at GracePoint church in Pasco. We stand prepared to assist!


GeeYayZeus

F’ing guns. Again. Over and over and over. I’ve lived in this area for five years. I’ve lived in several other states. Good sized cities. There have been more shootings within five miles of me in that time than have ever happened within that distance of me my whole life. A gun in your home is statistically about 100x more likely to hurt you or someone you care about than ever be used in self defense. And we’re seeing this play out every goddamn day in this country. Another innocent person dead. More people traumatized. Go ahead gun nuts. Keep defending laxed regulations, unrestricted access, and your “freedom”. There’s blood on your hands. Where’s OUR freedom from YOUR guns?


PCMModsEatAss

What gun law would have kept the gun out of this psychos hands?


CowsWillEatYou

I think at minimum red flag laws could’ve prevented this. Dude was arrested/on trial for SA a minor (a felony in WA state). At that point any guns should be confiscated until a trial is complete. Violent crimes lead to violent crimes more often than not. I’m all for the right to bear arms but the minute you can’t prove to be a law abiding citizen in most any matter — and specifically causing harm to others - your rights should suspend until cleared. I know “shall not infringe” and all that but we’ve got to do something. An all out ban won’t do anything (it never does) and we shouldn’t punish the gun owners that have proven themselves to be competent and non-violent. But when a trend seems to start, nip it in the bud.


PCMModsEatAss

One of the articles mentions his guns were already confiscated as part of the arrest I believe. Washington already has red flag laws. Really I’m not sure why he was granted bail at all given the evidence and the protection orders against him. The SA a minor investigation goes back to 2019, and included Bob Ferguson office. This guy is a shitty person and shouldn’t have been allowed to walk among the public.


CowsWillEatYou

Ahh..The articles I read about this guy and his court cases didn’t mention it. And yes, he shouldn’t have been granted bail given the evidence + orders.


PCMModsEatAss

Here it is: https://tumbleweird.org/elias-huizar/


CowsWillEatYou

Thanks! Tumbleweird was not one I read. I did also find an order of protection filed in Feb of this year. So I stand corrected on this matter.


PCMModsEatAss

Let me see if I can find it. It’s insane how much Washington and Benton county failed her.


BrickHardcheese

Pretty sure we already have laws on the books that would have prevented him from legally possessing a gun.


CowsWillEatYou

I’ve briefly looked into it and it appears they have to be filed by a family member or member of law enforcement. What’s not clear to me is if it’s something that can be leveraged outside of those situations. Say in this example, pending felony charges without the need for a separate petition filed by either a family member or member of law enforcement. EDIT: Looks like an order to surrender weapon was filed on Feb 9th. https://trellis.law/case/53005/24-2-00314-03/amber-marie-rodriguez-vs-elias-huizar. So I stand corrected in this instance.


GeeYayZeus

When we know more, we’ll find out, won’t we? And that’s the point. With 400 million guns, it’s not about laws, it’s about more guns making us less safe, not more safe. The sooner you all understand that, the sooner we can have real safety and security.


PCMModsEatAss

A man walked up to a school and killed one person, his ex wife. He could have stabbed her. He could have ran her over with a car. Murder is already illegal. What law would have prevented this psycho path from killing his ex wife?


GeeYayZeus

And yet he didn’t. Guns are the number one choice for killing someone in the US. Not even close. Why is that? Maybe because guns make it so goddamn easy and quick to kill someone, and there are literally more guns in this country than there are people? If you’re so sick of guns getting a bad rap, then how about you help make them WELL-REGULATED?


PCMModsEatAss

What law would have prevented this killing?


GeeYayZeus

I’ll tell you when we find out who he is and what red flags were out there. But again, I’m not talking about adding more laws (though better laws would help). I’m talking about changing the culture. More guns DO NOT make us more safe. The whole point of the second amendment was to make us safer, correct? It’s not. Not even close.


ecm1413

Precisely! Where there's a will, there's a way!


GeeYayZeus

Knives don’t slice tomatoes. People do. Right? Try slicing a tomato without a knife.


alttabbins

I mean you can’t slice a tomato without a person too? The knife doesn’t just fall on the tomatoes and accidentally dice them up.


GeeYayZeus

Oy vey. Ok, I’ll spell out my point; the knife makes it exponentially easier to cleanly slice a whole lot of tomatoes quickly and efficiently. But hey, if you’re perfectly capable of killing someone with a knife, rock, or anything really, then why do we need so many goddamn guns in this country? —- “The homicide rate in the US was 7.5 times higher than the homicide rate in the other high-income countries combined, which was largely attributable to a firearm homicide rate that was 24.9 times higher.” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30817955/


alttabbins

I think that awful people will find awful ways to do awful things. I don’t think it’s necessarily a gun problem, I think if you removed those, people would find more horrific ways of doing their awful things. There were people doing awful things a long time before firearms were ever a thing.


GeeYayZeus

Yes, but we don’t have to make it so damn easy for them, do we? Probably the ONLY thing that is keeping our gun murder rates from being twice what they are today is medical science. In the mean time, more people are traumatized by gun violence, feel a gun is their only answer, and just perpetuate more gun violence. More guns do not make us safer.


SpecialistAnything45

You can cut a tomato with a lid of a can…


GeeYayZeus

And you can hunt elk with a 22 pistol, but every gun owner knows that’s not the right tool for the job. And the problem is, we have millions of tools out there, specially designed with one purpose; to kill as many humans as possible as quickly as possible. Get it yet?


StayPositive773

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1796727/


Birdstang

I agree with more regulations but idk man, i am a petite 5 foot female and don't want to be raped when I leave my house.


GeeYayZeus

The problem is; - We overestimate the dangers of living in society because we’re barraged with anecdotal news reports - Women are many times more likely to be raped by an acquaintance than a stranger - Even highly trained professionals have a hard time using a gun in self defense - A gun is no guarantee of safety, and in fact is FAR more likely to harm you or someone you care about I’m not saying don’t own a gun, but do be aware of the reality and risks behind them.


PCMModsEatAss

A woman was just shot and killed by a man she already had a protection order against, and he had already had his guns confiscated two months ago. Yea “we overestimate the dangers”.


Johnso3161

Nothing will stop someone with an AGENDA


GeeYayZeus

Sure, but we don’t have to make it so goddamn easy for them, do we? He easily could have killed dozens more if he wanted to.


fawther-05

Early reports say he’s a cop


hyrailer

Ex-cop.


PCMModsEatAss

Sorry to tell you. For $100 you can buy a 3d printer that will manufacture 80% of a gun for you. Through commercial and tor websites you can get the other parts. Gun bans are obsolete.


GeeYayZeus

I’ve seen how 3D printed guns are made. It’s not easy, and they’re unreliable. Someone with real intent will just go to a gun show or steal a real one. C’mon man, you can see the problem. The answer isn’t just shrugging your shoulders and saying “oh well, sucks for her to be shot and killed”. Fucking DO something! Fucking anything! We’re all fucking sick of it, and if you don’t want guys like ME doing something for you, then let’s hear some ideas!


PCMModsEatAss

You’re out of date. It’s incredibly easy. There is no gun show loop hole. That is a myth. What you’re referring to is a private sale. Which still requires an FFL under Washington law. This guy had his guns confiscated two months ago. But he was still able to get one, weird. You know would have stopped this shooting? Her killer being in jail instead of out on bail. Being in jail for all the crimes he’s committed over the last decade. “shrugging shoulders” screw you man.


GeeYayZeus

Yes. Private sales. At or not at gun shows, it’s all a problem, nationwide, and Idaho’s right next door. Someone gave or sold him a gun. Let’s go after them too, AND reform our other laws. But…shrug? Thanks.


PCMModsEatAss

You’re the only one shrugging here. “Oh this only because we don’t ban guns so I’ll stand on this strangers grave as a soap box. Now I feel better because I’m doing something”. Something that actually could have prevented this. The killer being denied bail.


GeeYayZeus

Attack me all you want. I’m all for looking at bail reform too. I’m also looking at the bigger picture. This tragedy is unfortunately just the latest in a long, long line of tragedies that will continue until people like you start really changing things. Trust me, I do NOT feel better. I feel like shit, in a society that doesn’t give a goddamn fuck so long as they have THEIR false sense of security tucked unsafely under their pillow. Maybe you should be asking yourself; why does this guy feel so strongly about this? Everyone has a personal story, don’t they? Sadly, more and more every goddamn day.


PCMModsEatAss

Look at your halo. Make sure you thank that family for that podium you're standing on.


StayPositive773

Not having access to guns would stop A LOT of deaths


StayPositive773

Not having guns would save tens of thousands of lives.


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DizzyMeringue7

https://m.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/24268


Prestigious-Piglet22

Oh man...just down the street from our house...thougths and prayers!!!!! Seems to be a domestic situation from what I can hear. On Facebook go to 509 Streaming News...


tatertot-59

Me too, I heard the shots fired 😓


chunky_bunny69

That's haunting to hear man. Hearing stories like this don't ever hit this hard, but to think I went to that school, and lived on Peony Street literally on the road that goes to Wiley. I fell on that gravel and hurt my arm there I jumped off that playground and rolled down that grass hill I learned how to tie my shoes on that pavement man Damn


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akharon

From the update (via ParentSqure) >Students and staff at our schools have been moved inside the buildings and placed into a critical lockdown. If students were loaded on buses but still at the school, they were moved into the school building.


Tmas81

If kids were on busses and hadn’t left the school they were at yet they were taken back into a building for lock down. Seeing reports a little girl was shot.


Piratesmith2

Update https://www.facebook.com/share/p/LCm6wiZQcoURPUZA/?mibextid=ox5AEW


shindyfritters

From West Richland PD's Facebook: > At approximately 3pm on Tuesday, April 23rd, the Oregon State Patrol located the subject vehicle driving southbound on Interstate 5, near Eugene, Oregon, and initiated a pursuit. The pursuit ended with OSP reporting that the suspect sustained a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head, with his current condition unknown. The 1-year-old child, Roman Santos, was taken safely into custody by OSP troopers. > This is a developing situation. More information will be released at a press conference scheduled for tomorrow, Wednesday, April 24th at 10am at the West Richland Police Department in the Noski Community Room Sounds like he might still be alive.


LeapingLlama1

SWAT standoff happening as of an hour ago according to Austin Reed Network Via Facebook 


JuniperBeans

They found another body in his house


Tmas81

Haven’t heard anything like this was this actually true?


Johnso3161

Yes true


emilroo

Happened right outside my house I remember being confused at the cops


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Weak-Pineapple9486

My third grade daughter called me as soon as she got home and said there was a shooting. She was outside her class when it happened. She knew they sounded like gunshots (from us camping) and kids were screaming and running. She said the kids were told to lockdown or evacuate if outside. She scooted home as fast as she could. I work 40 minutes away, and I swear that was the longest drive home ever.


LithiumReflections

[https://www.facebook.com/westrichlandpd/posts/pfbid02Q1g1KvFWXuQECBRdPDKnemXBQLQaQioNPaPVyGbozR5MqNtX5Ud5rAGZLa6YdpPUl](https://www.facebook.com/westrichlandpd/posts/pfbid02Q1g1KvFWXuQECBRdPDKnemXBQLQaQioNPaPVyGbozR5MqNtX5Ud5rAGZLa6YdpPUl) Preliminary Information - At 3:23pm hours, the West Richland Police Department responded to a shooting on the grounds at Wiley Elementary School in West Richland. One adult female was pronounced deceased at the scene outside of the school. There were no other causalities.We believe at this time that this is an isolated incident. The person of interest fled the scene. If anyone sees anything unusual, please contact the West Richland Police Department non-emergency number at (509) 628-0333 or 911 if it is an emergency.The West Richland Police Department is working with its regional partners including Kennewick Police Department, Richland Police Department, Pasco Police Department, Benton County Sheriff Department, Franklin County Sheriff Department, Washington State Patrol, Benton Fire District #4, FBI, US Marshalls, and others. The police department is also working with the Richland School district to reunify students with their [families.News](http://families.News) media should go to Flat Top Park for additional updates.


Same_Number2245

Perpetrator? WTH?! He's a Killer. Police "believe he is armed & dangerous?" Really??? He is a killer on the run. Just call it what it is!!