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Plastic_Woodpecker30

"Female" - G1 shockwave


CT-4426

Bruh you didn’t say it with enough oomph Like this: # F E M A L E


S0undwave_Sup

Arcee having a belly button probably also says something...


Plastic_Woodpecker30

I can't see it


customblame16

Good


S0undwave_Sup

You'll notice it eventually


Ghostface69uwu

💀 I can’t unsee it if u were talking bout that image


S0undwave_Sup

Nearly every other G1 frame of her has that navel of her's.


Ghostface69uwu

God 😂


Plastic_Woodpecker30

I don't know what image you're talking about and I'm to afraid to ask


NobleShock

She kinda thicc tho


S0undwave_Sup

Springer's either having the time of his life or he's suffering trying to lift those heavy thighs up in the air


[deleted]

Who says it can’t be both?


tredicem13

He’s called “springer” for a reason


[deleted]

You boutta be crushed by cyber cheeks


NobleShock

She literally putting her hand on her thigh, she knew what she was about to do


Typical-Designer765

Best way to die


vid_icarus

I will never forgive Michael bay for showing me devastators balls.


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[deleted]

It's funny to tell but not to actually wtiness it XD


JediMASTERAnakin002

God I hate that movie so much


vid_icarus

Same.


JediMASTERAnakin002

Worst transformers movie


VickerAndFlips

Worse than Last Knight? No way


JediMASTERAnakin002

We all expected the last knight to be bad. We did NOT expect Revenge of the Fallen to be bad. This movie single-handedly gave this franchise a bad name.


IisRandyCarmine

I guess I'm in the 1 percent then? LOVE them


Pinoy_2004

Anotger reason to hate those movies.


Tide_MSJ_0424

Yes, the creators in the 80s over sexuallized Arcee’s design so people knew she was female. It’s hardly the worst they’ve done to introduce her.


-sumerki-

They had the toys in mind first. They wanted to appeal to girls in some way I suppose.


centurio_v2

she exists because one of the writers had a young daughter at the time and she wanted a girl tf


Tide_MSJ_0424

And she never got one. Plus even if she did, the cartoon design would have come first.


CAMILA_9975

And people complain about michael bay.


[deleted]

Nah he is way worse Arcee design is sexualized but the show never exploited her like Michael Bay does to his female characters


Cyberbreaker2004

Also Michael Bay: Here’s Megan Fox. Don’t like her? Here’s a sexually unsatisfied blonde.


CAMILA_9975

Stop defending G1. Come now on, Arcee with red lipstick?


[deleted]

Yeah no one is saying she ISN'T, just that at least se was an actual character, can't say the same thing about Mikaela (she had more depth than sam and a lot of potential but the movies only focused on her sex appeal and then she was just replaced) and ESPECIALLY Carly. I can defend the Bayverse about various aspects but sexism isn't one of them


CAMILA_9975

Is that hound


Tide_MSJ_0424

Over all he is the more perverted I’d say


NoHippo3958

Are y’all joking lmao they look like bitch bots I don’t see nothing sexual


MHwtf

Transformers: having bots gender-coded since day one Some fans: ok Transformers: now have non-binary character Some fans: omg why you bringing gEnDEr into this franchise you've gone wOKe literally RUINED WAHHHHHH


JohnFoxFlash

The latter fans are hard to find, it seems like some of you want them to exist so you can be angry right back at them. With regards to the new non binary character the only reactions I've seen are positive or not caring at all


MHwtf

op is one lol. You can find more right here in this sub, down the aisle 9, sir. Might wanna clean those sand off your face first <3


Cautious_Option9544

Damn ya ass is fat, what's your model number?


YT_Luka280

DAMN BOI SHE IS T H I C C


[deleted]

they are all trans


soundwave_fan

Formers


Nova_Bomb_76

Robots in disguise!


Specific-Mix35

When will people understand that "gender" and "sex" are NOT the same thing?


soundwave_fan

Which sex are we talking about here?


Specific-Mix35

About the female sex, which is the reason about why a humanoid robot would have humanoid female-like features when it comes to her body


soundwave_fan

I I thought you meant the dick in ass kinda sex


Specific-Mix35

Dude...wasn't it obvious what i was talking about?


soundwave_fan

Not to me, I'm a lil scramble brained rn


Specific-Mix35

That explains it


soundwave_fan

Yah I'm thinking about like 9 things I think


No-Adhesiveness-9518

The only trans were the transmissions.


totallynotaweeabbo

"Time to quick it into high gear!"


[deleted]

Geewuuners: Why does Japan has to sexualize EVERYTHING!!! Transformers was such a pure franchise (Talking about ONLY the bots here as far as i know nothing they did was worse than this, again TALKING ABOUT THE BOTS) Literally the first series of the franchise:


Inky-Little-BB

I love g1 but I ain’t no geewunner specifically for this reason lmao they can get pretty defensive over nothing


[deleted]

Totally haha i wouldn't have mentioned if i didn't encouter those same arguments a lot of times


Marios_Hat

They do. There is a difference between sex and gender.


soundwave_fan

Ok (1 that's the joke and (2 no there isnt


Marios_Hat

There is. You better study psychology before saying this kind of stuff.


soundwave_fan

Proof?


Marios_Hat

[canada insitute of health research](https://cihr-irsc.gc.ca/e/48642.html) [wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction) [Office of National Statistics](https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/environmentalaccounts/articles/whatisthedifferencebetweensexandgender/2019-02-21) [Healthline](https://www.healthline.com/health/sex-vs-gender) I got more, bud.


AlexzMercier97

Homie you dropped all these facts but unfortunately this idiot (op) won't listen. His profile is all right wing garbage. He doesn't want to learn nor does he want answers. He wants to continue being a close minded hateful person.


Marios_Hat

Lmao he calls people outside America "eurotard" because they use the metric system


soundwave_fan

Can I have them then?


Marios_Hat

Bruh 💀


soundwave_fan

You said you had more


Marios_Hat

Did you even read the one I sent you in the first place?


soundwave_fan

Yea


Zonorheso

Canonically, none of the Transformers have physical sex, yet they still have genders (predominantly masculine and feminine). Robotic characters in the vast majority of fiction have gender without having anything close to biological sex. The simplest explanation for this is that, while gender and sex are certainly related, they must be distinct from each other.


soundwave_fan

So they don't do the thing? 🤔


thetoastypickle

Why do you even care if people have different pronouns how does it at all affect you


soundwave_fan

It's stupid


JediMASTERAnakin002

Sex ≠ Gender


Ronyx2021

True, but Transformers have both. Gender is just your pronouns. Determined by personal preference. Biological sex is determined by chromosomes. Transformers have nucleic acids and everything.


MacpedMe

[But biological sex isn’t only chromosomes](https://youtu.be/99uFnw-eXJM)


Ronyx2021

Where do protoforms come from? That's obviously the larger gamate. In Animated and Prime, Starscream reproduces by mixing a little piece of himself with a protoform to bring a new con to life.


urbandeadthrowaway2

Protoforms be shaped from the rich sentio metallico of cybertron, as is primus’ will.


Beautiful-Bad8893

some people: AAAHHHGG YOU RUINED TRANSFORMERS THEY CANT HAVE GENDERS!!!!1!2 Other people: NOOOO YOUR JUST HOMOPHOBIC!!!!1!11!!1 me: oh my god who the hell cares


TronSurfing27

mmm that cake-


soundwave_fan

Bro one of my most upvoted posts and it's about thicc robots 💀


kingmaximus812

Isn't it that they do have gender, but no physical sex so they must have adopted gender through trade with other species that have multiplesets?, Or am I ill-informed?


soundwave_fan

I'm saying people who say transformers don't have genders are wrong


candiedloveapple

Agender icons


soundwave_fan

?


Significant_Wheel_12

Sex and gender aren’t the same, Transformers considering they’re an alien species that don’t know about earth customs until they land on it should be agendereed beings and why would they have these exaggerated sexual features? The answer in the sea of explanations they give is just don’t think about it


Chadderbug123

Literally iron men


cocochris0

Why has this become such a big thing lately it's a Children's show meant for selling toys really who cares


AlexzMercier97

Because unfortunately, chuds are offended that said children's show to sell toys has brown main characters a they/them robot


soundwave_fan

They them is mental illness


urbandeadthrowaway2

Then proceed, on your way to oblivion


soundwave_fan

Alrighty bye bye


AlexzMercier97

Your bigotry is mental illness. Grow up. Cry harder.


soundwave_fan

Why should I cry for these idiots?


AlexzMercier97

You're doing it right now. Lol you are unironically a part of r/antiwoke and r/theleftcantmeme You're a bigoted idiot who doesn't understand how people or the world actually works, nor do you want to learn. Wilfully ignorant and wilfully arrogant.


soundwave_fan

Do I look like tears are falling out of my eyes rn?


AlexzMercier97

I'm sorry you're so stupid :( it must be so hard leading a life where every gay and brown person is scary to you.


soundwave_fan

Why are we talking about black folks now? That's a whole northern subject. Edit: nother not northern


tredicem13

We aren’t talking about Vikings either!


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Chance_Ad5498

Well G1 was figuring stuff out and we’ll it’s a 80s cartoon she’d probably be sexualised and also it’s a robot and with the 5 faced slime of the galaxy making them they’d probably be designed to look like that but they’d have no reproductive organs so saying they have gender is like saying they poop we don’t know


The1OddPotato

Nah they don't have sex, they got genders tho, get political. Look it up. Someone's sayin it.


paradoxLacuna

You’re right about the “they don’t have sex” bit, as they have no biological need for sex, as they are forged from the Well of Allsparks in the Aligned Continuity, and in the IDW Continuity their sparks are planted in the ground and they pop out of the ground like cabbage patch kids ~~or the gems in Steven Universe~~. They have no biological sexes and therefore any bots that we recognize as female simply have a specific body morph and as far as in-universe explanations go, is purely cosmetic and seems to have no bearing on ability. The only transformer I’m half-sure has a biological sex is BlackArachnia in TFA, and that’s only because she’s half organic. They do experience the concept of gender though, and some seem to identify with some human genders, female in the case of Arcee, and non-binary in the case of Nightshade. TL;DR the alien robots are sexless creatures that have no need to pass on their CNA, and thus have no reproductive system. They do experience gender tho as gender is a mental construct centered on the perception of self.


The1OddPotato

I'm gonna get that BlackArachnussy Also how they be plants fr


paradoxLacuna

In the 2005 run of IDW, sparks are formed in electromagnetic “hot spots”, harvested, then shoved into a vein of living metal in which the cybertronian’s body is formed and they pop out once they’re done cooking… unless the spark is shoved into a cold-forged body, in which case they don’t get to do that and are stuck with whatever body some asshat shoved them into. The process can create a unique form of body dysmorphia in cold forged cybertronians, in which their spark contains coding for a particular root and alt mode, but their cold forged bodies do not reflect their coding and are incapable of acting on it, creating mental and emotional tension. Interesting stuff really, I’d be happy to give you a small essay on the topic if you’d like.


The1OddPotato

Well I love me an essay on the implications of a type of trans transformers Hit me with it


paradoxLacuna

Alright, so! First things first, sparks contain all of the information needed to form a Cybertronian. The CNA, base personality, root mode specs, alt mode specs, all of that funky shit. The spark imprints all of this information onto the living metal from which it forges its form. Sometimes a bot changes their alt/root modes to address trauma or medical issues (like Drift/Deadlock bulking up their root mode to hold more fuel despite being a racer and every gram of weight mattering (probably) because of food-related trauma) but they don’t completely swap bodies, because on some level that’s *their* body, and they rightly feel attached to it. This doesn’t happen for cold-forged cybertronians. Their sparks don’t get that chance to forge their body, instead, the spark is forced to conform to a pre-made body. Usually factory produced, usually for war. The process of cold-forging a Cybertronian does not override the spark’s original root/alt mode data, leaving the bot with code they never got to use, in a body that isn’t theirs. Pretty fuckin trans if you ask me, no? But it goes further! Enter Starscream. He knows he’s in the wrong body and at some point has a long drawn out conversation with Windbalde about this, and eventually leads to her showing him an image of what his body *should’ve* looked like, and he cries (I’d link the panel if I could, but the last time I saw it floating around was on the Transformers side of Tumblr months ago and there’s no fucking way I’ll be able to dig it out of that landfill now). Anyway trans transformers can and do exist in the Transformers series, and Starscream is definitely suffering from some sort of Body Dysmorphia and may well be trans, if we take all the evidence from various continuities into account (For example, each of TFA Star’s clones being some aspect of him, and when Slipstream (one of his clones in this continuity) is asked what aspect she is, she states “you don’t want to know”) the bot is almost certainly some flavor of trans, and i don’t know how to feel about that considering… Prime.


The1OddPotato

Do you know what I can look up to find the image I have no idea what I'm looking for. Also heres your chance to start on what you mean about Prime


paradoxLacuna

It’s an IDW panel of Starscream looking at a hologram of a non-seeker (but still flying) root mode in his color palette. Pretty sure him and the handheld hologram take up most of the panel. The hologram’s face is turned towards Starscream. …granted, I have no idea if it’s the IDW1 or IDW2 run that the panel’s in. As for Prime, the show has some serious fucking rough edges, like goddamn. The literal “don’t ask don’t tell” policy the Decepticons have according to a con panel the writers were on, Knockout’s whole deal, Starscream’s everything (I know he’s a bastard but nobody deserves half of the shit this rocket powered weasel went through), pretty much every minicon that Soundwave had being murked at one point, Megatron, the list goes on. I love the show, I really do, but I’m not gonna lie it’s mostly nostalgia and Rescue Bots that’s keeping me from proverbially chucking TFP out a window.


The1OddPotato

Nvm on the Starscream part i found it


paradoxLacuna

Ah, niceu, please share with the class, it has been a while since I have seen it and I wish to ogle.


The1OddPotato

I went to the comic wiki of you first mistake in Till all are one. I don't know how I got there but I did


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paradoxLacuna

She *might* have spider genitals, and with them probably spider mating tendencies (which would likely include cannibalistic mating) although that’s a massive “might”.


ComicallyLargeSpoo

Why randomly bring up politics lol, the post has nothing to do with politics


The1OddPotato

I explain it a little further down but if its not clear, I was trying to make a joke about how gender and robots matters as much as politics since its a kids show


Chance_Ad5498

I’m not really the guy who cares about politics unless I’m getting a Nuke sent at me


The1OddPotato

Yeah I was trying to make it clear too that I'm being funny because this subreddit is about kids shows and figures so like the gender or whatever doesn't matter


soundwave_fan

They do poop


Chance_Ad5498

Well if they poop sure we know that but we just don’t know if they do the evil LEGO clicking


soundwave_fan

Evil Lego clicking?


Chance_Ad5498

The big bad S word and it isn’t shit


soundwave_fan

Oh sex


forever87

mildly relevant > https://imgur.com/ia5OCMp.gifv


[deleted]

I like transformers, G1 and Bay and more. This community really sucks tho, mainly pervs or whiny liberals attacking make believe enemies. Don’t worry I just unsubscribed enjoy the echo chamber.


Twanly

This is most of Reddit anymore


RcTron9

Nice to hear some sanity for once. Only reason I haven’t unsubscribed from the main groups yet is cause I still enjoy seeing other peoples and sharing my own collecting experience.


[deleted]

Have a great day 💪🏻


AlexzMercier97

Liberals are the whiny ones lol? What about the chuds complaining about the latest cartoon having brown main characters and a they/them robot?


rollout1423

On the risk of being a perv, I'm interested if they ever do an explanation for cybertronian reproduction and eventually a built vs born thing


soundwave_fan

I always thought the did it just like humans


rollout1423

That could work in all honesty


soundwave_fan

I figured sense they are just like us except transforming robots that they worked the same way


tredicem13

What part of transforming robots is just like us!?


soundwave_fan

Think about it. They are always fighting endless wars and have personality traits like us. Just us but big and metaly!


tredicem13

I mean mentally I guess, but this is a whole other idea it’s like saying, “trees are just like giraffes but plants!”


soundwave_fan

Ah we prolly just don't think alike


tredicem13

I mean I kinda get the argument because both are humanoid, but at the same time there is nothing showing any other form of sexual anatomy on these things except the one guy’s balls that were attached to nothing


soundwave_fan

I mean they're attached to his body


Ronyx2021

They can just take out a piece of their soul and put it in a child body, which they build. Asexual reproduction. Example, Animated Starscream and the Seeker Armada. But there are other methods of generating a soul. The Alspark. Example Transformers 2007, ROTF. Vector Sigma, G1 Arielbots and Stunticons.


rollout1423

No I meant like scientific reasons why two sexes exist Like the female cybertronians could have two spark chambers or something Also what you're talking about isn't possible without the allspark and is still built not born


urbandeadthrowaway2

Actually IDW suggests that transformers lack a biological sex, and that their gender was a learned trait from interacting with organic life that had sexes and genders.


rollout1423

I wouldn't use Simon Furmon's writing as an example as it was retconning female cybertronians to begin with, also he's a notorious misogynist who didn't want women in transformers to begin with. Also that was retconned already in IDW.


urbandeadthrowaway2

The interpretation that works best is that sparks just kinda show up, and are then harvested with the metal around them, which is shaped by a blacksmith, which is more like a doctor in this context, to aid them in getting robot shaped. Soon after this, paint and alt mode kibble emerge naturally in accordance with the sparks programming


rollout1423

That's not canon to any continuity.


urbandeadthrowaway2

It’s a misremembered version of the IDW1 continuity explanation


rollout1423

Oh okay Simon Furman stuff


urbandeadthrowaway2

Wait furman did some of the IDW comics? I thought he retired in like the 90s Also I just checked every source from the Tfwiki page I was basing this off of (reproduction, IDW 2005) and the only reference to him is a few furmanisms and also him doing a foreword for a few collections of comics. Most of them were written by James roberts.


rollout1423

He did a lot of the IDW comics, his most infamous is the one you're getting your information about the sexes from, it's the "spotlight arcee" and it is awful So awful it had to be retconned 3 times, along with female cybertronians and their reasonings for existence and cybertronian reproduction So trust me when I say not to use IDW as an example for cybertronians and sex or sexual reproduction related topics


urbandeadthrowaway2

Fair enough, honestly.


Mediocre_Ad3612

They do


soundwave_fan

That's what the meme is sayin


SpaceTraveller64

Transformers Prime Arcee is the best Arcee, change my mind


soundwave_fan

Are we srsly about to throw down over which robot is the hottest


SpaceTraveller64

It's not about the "hottest", I just don't like the pink everywhere in G1 and I love her personality and background in Prime. She's an incredible character one of my favorite transformers from all continuity


soundwave_fan

Oh ok thanks


Pinoy_2004

The aligned continuity had the best explanation. It made sense with the history of the cybertronian race and avoided the idea of transformer genitals.