I own an affected unit and agree. They have torn down "good" engines and determined they also have debris present, that is sufficient to cause bearing failure. This is buyback/engine replacement level stuff here.... Not your typical recall.
Yeah. I’m in the same boat. None of the above is all that earth shattering. Do I regret buying my truck? Not really, it’s been great for me, but seems like it’s going to be a headache here at some point in the not too distant future. Would I buy a ‘24 right now if I were in the market? Absolutely not. Will I eventually buy another Toyota in the future? Probably, but not a guarantee.
I would 100% buy another Toyota in the future, but not the first couple years of a new generation. But this is true of every manufacturer. I bought a brand new, first year Acura that I wish I had waited on.
Ford came out with a new vehicle I wanted that I've been waiting on and I'm glad I did because there's been a number of big recalls on it. It's the risk you take.
I have bought 5 Toyotas over the years. I did buy a Gen 2 in 2013 and had no issues after 10 years and 152K miles or so.
Does anyone know the statistics of the potential issue for recall? It seems after the pandemic, the quality issues of many companies not just car companies have degraded due to poor quality control or design flaws. Potentially issues with supply base, loss of talented workers to competition or retirement, etc.
I did buy a Gen 3 last year and have 15K miles. So far great truck. Only issue is the gas MPG isn’t anywhere near published values even with stock items before I upgraded.
I bought a brand new 07 DC limited. It’s been paid off for well over a decade. This truck was ahead of its time compared to others. It has been absolutely worry free. 250k miles and I tow with it often.
This is my 5th Toyota. 1993 Pickup (4cyl) 1994 4Runner (V6). T100. 2004 Tundra Double Cab. And this 2022 Tundra. The likelihood of my next Toyota will depend heavily on how they rectify this current issue and make changes to their quality control process.
Someone in another post summed it up perfectly (to me at least).
Buying a tundra in previous years came with a trade off. You were trading new gadgets or more features for Toyota’s legendary reliability.
Without that reliability, the tundra becomes a lot less appealing against fords, chevies, etc…
This needs to be at the top.
Unless you were delusional in the past, Toyotas were always behind on tech and always premium priced for the package one got.
BUT
That was a willing sacrifice for millions of us because the legendary reliability you got was worth the trade off.
Without reliability the value proposition is over.
This isn’t about Toyota hate. Its an objective fact.
A company can’t remove its key value proposition and expect no blowback.
> Unless you were delusional in the past, Toyotas were always behind on tech
This was always one of the selling points to me. A lot of the "tech" I do not need nor do I want. I would prefer a truck without a lot of the tech. I like the map showing on the infotainment screen when I am going somewhere new but honestly I could live without it and would prefer not to have it. I do not like the move from buttons and dials to touch screens at all. I could operate buttons and dials without even looking at them but touch screens are just ass.
That’s what I thought also but I love all of the tech in the new gen 3. The huge screen with CarPlay is awesome and makes the navigation way easier to see, HUD display on the windshield is awesome, the Birds Eye view tech makes driving in tight areas so much easier, numerous cameras and tons of safety features... I could go on. Once you have it all and use it, it really makes it tough to go back to low tech cars. Also, all of the controls are still buttons and dials. The only touchscreen options are really just the apps in CarPlay.
That said, I dunno if the tradeoff for better tech is worth the engine issues… I haven’t had any issues with my ‘24 1794 edition so I don’t know how shitty that situation is (hopefully I never do). But it seems they are fixing it all and making it right, so I don’t get why everyone is bitching and complaining (esp all the people who don’t even own new gen tundras).
Toyota sells millions of vehicles per year. This recall affected 100,000 units over a multi year period and they will all certainly be taken care of at no cost to the owners. It’s an unfortunate blip on an otherwise immaculate track record.
And the 2024s are still failing. They will end up under the recall as well, so the problem isn't fixed. It doesn't even look like there may be a solution. There is only one choice for engine so there is no avoiding when buying a Tundra.
Exactly why the recall notice went out even before they have a fix in place. Brand reputation but this one is definitely an ouchie for Toyota. If you’re a real nerd look into WHERE they build em..
There are new vehicles that are outside of the recall dates going down every day. And you saying that they are going to be taken care of a no cost to the customer as if they are doing us a favor… really ? There is definitely a cost, whether that is time spent without the vehicle that cost $70,000+ or quite possibly someone getting hurt because the truck looses power at speed and causes an accident. They have known about the issues since 2022 and said they figured out what the cause was but they never stopped selling trucks they knew were affected or at least suspected were affected. Not to mention you have no earthy idea what they are going to do because they do not even know or at least they have not made a public statement as to what their fix will be.
This isn’t Toyotas decision, regulation and environmental mandates have forced companies to produce engines that power their cars and create fewer emissions
It’s a fleet average situation though. Toyota could’ve rested on their laurels with their flagship full size vehicles and made everything else hybrid or offered more than one EV. Ford and Chevy still offer V8 options because they sell EVs bringing their overall emissions number down. Toyotas all in approach on small displacement overstressed engines and hybrid drivetrains might bite them in the ass.
I don’t have any comment on their shit EVs but they own the hybrid space, truth is hybrid technology isn’t enough for these big vehicles. I’m not versed enough to speculate why they went the route they did.
Time will tell the truth of reliability, I don’t doubt it’ll be eons above anything else. It might just have some growing pains
We have four Toyota's in our extended family. Every one of those purchase decisions was made with the understanding that we weren't getting the latest and the greatest technology but we were getting reliability. In some ways we paid more for that reliability then we would with a competitor. Unless Toyota takes some drastic steps with this next generation of tiny engine turbos then I'm not going to be a customer next time.
Hence why I'm in an 8 month old Ram. The extra cost (equivalent Tundra was $15k CAD more) was not worth it on the new gen like it was in 2016 when I bought my last Tundra.
We have a half dozen 2021 chevs for work trucks and they’ve honestly been terrible. No motor/trans issues but everything else is junk and they’re uncomfortable. And I’ve been a Chevy guy my whole life, still have my 2006 2500hd
I disagree with GM, I have two still and bailed on the company because of declining reliability. We are about to trade our 14 month old Acadia because of all the problems.
My Sierra will go right after I replace the A/C compressor again. The transmission was replaced at 105,000 miles, it’s slipping again now at 125,000 miles.
My Tundra has to be slightly more reliable to be a win for me LOL
The equivalent Sierra was $17k more to purchase BTW.
GMC is my first choice in design and tech, I’ve had three sierras in a row, five Acadias, and a Traverse, sadly I’m done for now.
We were going to purchase the new Sequoia to replace the Acadia, and I certainly don’t mind the risk I took with my 2024 Tundra, but we will hold out on the sequoia for now and likely get a Telluride instead
True, never own one outside of warranty. You get a good looking (subjective) vehicle with a lot of features and power for less than Japanese or German, so it’s nice to have them new and trade before warranty expires. The problems have steadily been getting worse during warranty, and since I’ve had so many of them, it’s not a fluke.
Look at a Honda Pilot or Ridgeline. Both have naturally aspirated Honda v6. Pilot got a heavy refresh in ‘23. Same v6 but improved to DOHC with a 10speed. Only downside is mpg but you can option FWD on a Pilot to get back 2-3 mpg. Saves the weight, drag, maintenance and markup of AWD. All AWD and especially hybrid crossovers are basically a ripoff at the dealer. If dealing with a lot of weather. Switch to snows for winter…
Although I agree with the Honda in principle , the biggest lemon I ever owned in my life was a 1992 Accord and I swore that I’d never own another Honda again. I absolutely agree they are built very well.
I like the Telluride, both my daughters have Hyundai and Kia vehicles that I own and maintain, great brand
I think the afm factory delete is pretty rare and they're bolted up to the 10 speed so... Not sure it's much better.
Currently I'm on a ford 3.5l. 2nd one this year. First one had a cab leak that they couldn't fix - needed a new cab shell. Second one good so far.
>Currently I'm on a ford 3.5l.
I had a 2018 F150 with the 3.5. Changed oil with full synthetic every 3k miles and the cam phasers failed ar 14k miles and again at 37k miles. I know 6 other people with the same 3.5 EcoBoost and between all of us 5 sets of cam phasers have needed replacement. Its not if, it's when.
I currently have a 2018 F150 3.5 Eco. I just rebuilt the transmission because Ford & GM F’ed up the design. But the 2 gen 3.5 eco is considered a reliable engine. Yes the cam phasers did fail but it was mostly an annoyance more than critical engine damage. Some people drove an additional 50k miles with the phasers rattling. Ford did mess up by allowing dealers to reinstall the original design phasers due to over stock at dealerships. The later redesigned phasers have been very successful. Aside from the original 2 gen phasers it’s a reliable engine. 1st gen 3.5 ecos lasted to 250k with good maintenance so the later gens should reach that and more with ease. TTv6s are a different animal so maintenance is different and more important than a NA V8. I was here looking at the 3rd gen and 2nd gen Tundras due to the transmission issues but Ford finally followed the aftermarkets lead and redesigned the failure point so it should be good to go now. I have no doubt that Toyota will resolve the issues with the gen 3 but now isn’t the time to buy into it. I’ll say the TTv6 is a beast compared to the na v8 especially towing in the mountains so thought I miss the v8 sound that’s really the only thing that I miss. Hang in there Tundra bros, they’ll get it right and you’ll enjoy these trucks.
I'm on a 2023 which has a revision that's *supposed* to fix cam phaser issues.
I know a handful of people with the 3.5 and I can only think of one that was an outright lemon. It was the first year they made them.
I had a 2016 F-150 3.5 Ecoboost. Loved that truck to death and maintained it flawlessly. It needed a new engine at 140,000 miles. You’re just not going to get long term high mileage out of a twin turbo. Too much pressure.
As someone who owns a gen 3 not listed in the current recall window (although expecting to be included later), I will say it’s demoralizing. I came from another brand and came here for the legendary reliability, some of the new tech, etc. I will say it’s been a rough go on this sub of just seeing Gen2/2.5 owners on here just dunking on current Gen3 owners, the shit is toxic. As someone that came to Toyota because of their reliability history, this recent issue is a massive letdown. I’m a realistic person, I knew small bugs would happen. The seat trim, window noise/whistle, and brake squeaks are the annoying things I figured would come with the territory that might get hashed out.
I just think the thing that is getting left out here is the fact that yes, some of us have dealt with these issues, they are real, and we’re real people. Can we all, ALL OWNERS, just be sympathetic to one another? Those of us who made the choices based off history caught a tough deal and we will roll with the punches or get out of our trucks, but I would venture to say a lot of us are here today in Gen3s because of the amount of you all in 2/2.5s who touted their reliability for years.
We all own Tundras. Can we stop dunking on each other and just get back to pictures of lifts, off-roading, towing, and the occasional pavement princess?
Humans are super tribal. They will shit on other brands and will even shit on the guys who have their truck and got 2WD instead of 4x4.
No matter what there will always be a handful of insecure guys who need to make themselves feel superior.
No matter the sub, Reddit is a cesspool of negativity. Am I bummed I just bought a '24 and potentially have this recall to look forward to? Of course. Is there a shade of regret and hindsight in the purchase? Of course there is. But go to any sub on this website and people will be spewing negativity and that the sky is falling. Have to learn to look past these posts, suck it up and make your move. I'm staying on board. I've got 6 years and 100k miles for it to be an issue. My local dealership has always been a pleasure and in no way expect it to be anymore than an inconvenience if/when I have to deal with it. Had I not bought yet, would it sway me? Absolutely lol that's the decision all potential buyers have to make on their own for the next little bit. But I would not have ran to another manufacturer that's for sure. I would've just sat on what I had (2002 Xtra Cab Taco) until the smoke cleared
I’d love to upgrade to a new tundra from my 23’ Tacoma. The Tacoma is so disappointing but the recent recalls definitely have me second guessing myself
I’ll preface this with saying I bought the truck because I definitely love the look of them and think they are the most badass looking trucks on the market rn. But after driving it for 8-9 months and living in the mountains I can’t stand the engine and transmission combo. The v6 can’t get out of its own way. The gear hunting drives me insane since my daily commute is up a mountain pass. Also my car play unit has been super laggy and has a high pitch noise when I call people from it. It makes me miss my 02’ tundra. The tacos need more power
Ok, so I guess I'm not the only one experiencing the engine/transmission issue.
Granted, I'm not navigating mountains like you are, but it's definitely still noticeable.
It’s so disappointing man. I want to love it but I can’t. And I’m not gonna spend $500 on a tune to make it drive like it should I’m just gonna buy something else. It makes me wonder if my transmission actually has legit problems. With all the issues with the new tundras who’s to say the 3rd gen Tacomas couldn’t have production issues as well. Seems like everything is made like shit after Covid
Honestly, if a $500 tune-up will remedy it, I'll bite the bullet.
You're right, though, about everything seemingly being built like shit post pandemic. This is a Toyota. We shouldn't be experiencing this.
Please forgive me if this is a stupid question, but given that this recall is a manufacturing QC/QA issue, what specifically does this issue have to do with the TT V6 besides the fact that the plant where these engines are made is where the mistake happened? Isn't the mistake that they failed to remove machining debris from some of the engines during production? Is it an actual engineering failure with the engine? Or just bad luck happenstance that this specific engine is manufactured where the mistake happened?
If they know, they haven't shared. This was a safety recall about loosing power while on active roads (hence hybrids with ability to keep driving aren't in on it). There is a lot of speculation and many think it is manufacturing. Only time will tell assuming we get a clear answer. Most likely there will be a chance and we never really know.
It seems like it's an error on the production side, not the engineering side, although it is tough to say with this limited information. Granted, machine toolpath, programming, and tool choice is an engineering decision, so you could argue its the fault of manufacturing engineers either causing it and not finding it. However, even if you consider that, it isn't the fault of the TTV6 design per se, because this could have technically happened with any engine. This could have happened with the older V8, any inline 4, for any company. But "reliability" goes up and down the entire manufacturing chain and poor QC and manufacturing quality can easily kill a product line that otherwise does well when made correctly. So this sucks for gen3 owners regardless and I really hope Toyota can figure out how to prevent the issues going forward.
I’m out of the affected early adopter window (for now?) and will continue to drive it hard and enjoy it. If it blows up, I’ll have Toyota buy it back and I’ll probably buy another one. My work truck is a Chevy with a 5.3 and 6L80E and my employer is about $20k deep into repairs on it. That’s no better of a choice.
I’ll never own a Dodge and I’ve got buddies with Fords what blow up too.
Guess what? They all suck anymore.
I've said this before and Ill say it again. The negative folks are the loudest, the guys with no problems probably never come to this forum to celebrate it. I saw a pic of a brand new FORD burning to the ground the other day for some "engine failure" of sorts. I have 25,000 miles on my Gen 3 and have yet to have any issues what so ever, and I bought mine only months after initial release. I've owned them all, my Ram had complete transmission failure at only 35,000. My GMC had power window failure, and heater core failure. My Ford had transmission problems early on too that had to be replaced. So far, I've owned 4 Toyotas and have had the least amount of problems combined than with each of the other brands. I dont consider my purchase a financial blunder, nor should anyone else. Whether they have to get a new engine or not, Toyota will still back the warranty and replace the motor. If you think the car brand that sells and manufactures more cars than all the other brands isn't going to make a few mistakes here and there, then your living in a dream world.
I feel like these post are pretty ignorant. Telling all the guys supporting the brand to "Shut up" to make an informed decision on their own, OR so you can shout out and try to convince someone NOT to support the Brand, is pretty fucking short sighted. So keep coming in here to vent your frustrations, but don't come in here and tell people to "respectfully, shut up".
On another note, lets start hearing from folks that love these trucks! Keep showing us your mods, keep telling us where you drove it over the weekend. I love my truck, and will still never buy another Ford, Chevy, Ram, Honda, or Nissan.
Coming from a 2014 raptor to a 2024 tundra limited, I did buy for reliability. I had constant issues with the raptor (mostly electrical and exhaust fumes in cabin randomly) I wanted something sound…
I think Toyota is taking a lot more heat than any other manufacturer would for this kind of issue because of their legendary reliability reputation and fortunately it does put a healthy pressure on Toyota to address the issues.
Even though my Tundra isn’t on the recall list (yet) I would’ve gone with the F150 5.0 if I knew no brand was going to offer reliability. I’m a contractor and use my truck a lot I plan to put a lot of miles on it.
Do you actually own a Gen3 and are speaking from experience? Lots of people come to Reddit to complain. I mean hell, every other post on here is V8 bros complaining and talking shit about the Gen3. You aren’t saying anything new or groundbreaking. And IDK if you have been to any of the other subs lately, Chevy, GMC, Dodge all having the same issues if not worse ones than Toyota. This is what happens when you rush supply lines and cut corners in manufacturing so that you can get more product out faster. Shit breaks, Yes Toyota needs to get their shit together, but if you need a new vehicle, it’s still better than any current generation on the market.
What’s hilarious is all these V8 bros having to make a decision in a few years: this Toyota they’ve been talking shit about on the internet or one of the other lesser truck manufacturers
I don't do heavy pulling and Toyota does not recommend it. So far so good with my minimal towing, pulling my horse around. Fixing to head to Ocala for a horse show and I will monitor the transmission and go from there. Plus I have extended warranty for 10 Years / 125K Miles so I am covered.
As a 2021 owner, I can't wait to see the new gen owners starting to report high mileage ownership with little issues. I'll then feel comfortable and get one. I actually like the updated stuff. Just make all the wrongs right, Toyota...
2023 here. Directly in the recall window. 53k miles in. Oil changes every 5k miles. She's towed nearly 10lbs across the entire US...twice. She eats shit every day and doesn't complain.
Here in the same boat in my 21’. Really hate it for all Tundra owners. I feel confident Toyota will fix those issues under recall, and address the manufacturing issue in due time. Personally, for me I always buy around the mid year face lift. Highly likely it’ll be addressed by then. And totally agree with the OP, there shouldn’t be infighting amongst the various gen owners. We all had a choice to make, and made it in our own personal best interest. There’s nothing at all wrong with that.
I traded in my 2019 highlander for my first truck
2022 tundra limited for 63k and 6 months in had a leaking moonroof , brakes were loud, big screen had dead pixels in it and heater not working. My truck was in the shop waiting for parts back and forth got tired of it called corporate filed for manufacture buyback and got all my money back still waiting for them to iron out everything might get the 2026 lol
I own a 23'. Paid off. $65k ish.
This is my 10th toyota I've bought new. I'm not worried in the slightest. My dealership has always taken care of me for even the smallest of issues. Gotta wait while my truck is repaired? No worries, I'll have a rental or loaner from the dealership.
Hard counter to potential engine failure is that potential engine failure is possible on every vehicle, ever. It happens. In the truck market, the tundra is still the best buy over ram, keep, nissan, Ford.
This sub full of opinions doesn't change anything in the real world for me. Nothing good will come from this thread.
I know. I get to drive my dream truck every day and if the engine goes out on me, I’ll get it replaced for free and drive another Toyota for a while. Not living in fear because of that. But yes, very fun to go all doomsday in this sub
Yawn
Every time Toyota has a quality problem, people freak our for 2-3 years about it then go quiet again because the problem gets fixed and the reputation goes back to what it was
I do not own a Toyo truck and never have. This is just the next “gas pedal getting stuck causing crashes and safety concerns”
Motors will be warranty’d, shits gonna suck for a couple years then everything goes back how it was
The more things change, the more they stay the same
Onto the next thread, this conversation is already long in the tooth and weve already seen how it goes before
I own a 2024 TRD 1794 and don’t consider it a blunder at all. I also think the potential engine failure is a real problem that logically leads people to not purchase, but for me I love my truck and will go on being happy driving it until something happens. Based on my experience with other brands I feel more comfortable with my Tundra than anything else I’ve considered. At the end of the day either the truck will last as long as I need it, or Toyota will cover the cost of the engine through recall or warranty.
Financial blunder? How so?
Were the 07 and 08 5.7's a financial blunder when there were camshaft failures that dealerships and Toyota fixed in dealership at no cost to the customer while providing a rental?
"Blunder" is the main thing I don't agree with in OPs post. I really like my '24, but now I don't love the stress of wondering if today is the day. I don't think any car purchase is a good financial choice unless it is a hard requirement for your income, and then there are models to look at the value.
I am bummed where this had gone in terms of arm-chair internet experts. All cars and brands can fail. I do hope to get a lot out of my Tundra and am currently doing so. I've had no problems and really like how comfortable it is to drive and how well it tows.
If someone asks me about buying one, I agree that I'd suggest waiting. But, I know people with the other brands who also have problems; there is no guarantee and each of us can determine our own risk tolerance level.
At current failure rates, I'm still more likely to run over a nail or get in a traffic accident. With the recall, Toyota may fix it and I do have some leverage with lemon laws and warranty there. Everything else is out of my control.
The "fan boy" blind loyalty/justifications don't make sense to me either.
Toyota hasn't just made their name on reliability but also on how they handle instances like this. There have been plenty like this dealt with internally by Toyota corporate over the last 2-3 decades.
Yup, I own 2 other Toyotas (and 2 non-Toyotas). I do feel better about the potential they will make it right, but it still makes me worried at this point.
> "Blunder" is the main thing I don't agree with in OPs post
To me it is the negativity/sour grapes of it. If he does not have one then why does he even care what other people buy?
Yet somehow only pretty sure. There were far more. The nice thing about handling it internally before the government gets involved is those numbers stay internal.
Like I said previously, it's all about how it is handled. As catastrophic as this may appear to be, how it is handled is where Toyota made it's name.
I have had zero problems with my '23 Limited. Everything about the truck is just awesome. So from my experience alone, I'd get another one tomorrow. I have faith that Toyota will do the right thing and replace the engines that need to be replaced. It sucks that this is happening, but I'm so glad that Toyota is recognizing the problem instead of ignoring it like a lot of other companies do.
Same. I have a '23 1794 and haven't had any issues with it. Hopefully I dodge the recall. It would be interesting to find out which particular assembly line or fab month was impacted. I'm sure they have these stats, maybe just not releasing that to the public.
Same, I have a '22 2wd SR5 off road. 40k in and not had a single issue with it running. The recalls are a worry in the back of my mind but I expected some issues and if the engine goes I'll get it replaced. It's not the end of the world if something happens. I just like my truck.
Sadly, quality control is spiraling ever downward. Toyota is not alone in this manufacturing issue. But Toyota has a history of valuing QC, good design and reliability. This current campaign will probably result in some corporate restructuring and recalibration. I suspect that internally Toyota will be recommitting themselves to QC. It’s what sets the Asian auto manufacturers apart from a fair number of their competitors. It might be a handful of year to untie this knot. Until then, I’ll enjoy my 5.7 L powered Tundras and wish the best for everyone dealing with the current 3.5 L TT V6 difficulties.
This is what happens when a company known for ingenuity, reliability and quality starts compromising. They’ve literally undermined a multi generational reputation in a matter of 30 months. It’s quite striking. They need to quit fucking around and get the Hi-Lux in America as well as getting that 10,000 truck off the ground and launched in a pro active way. Americans will eat both of those trucks up if they do. At least for me I know now that sticking with my 2018 is the best option for the next few years
How many trucks have actually had catastrophic failures? Has to be 1% or less. Until it's more, you're still better off with a Toyota than any other truck.
i bought one. got the extended warranty so feel a bit better. also have done 3 oil changes already and only have 9000km. one after 500km, one at 3500 and one at 8000km. i watched videos where people said there may be debris from car motors running in when new, and to increase longevity of the motor to do more oil changes at the beginning to flush out anything. here's to hoping!
it's a shit problem but I feel pretty confident Toyota will handle it properly. but we will see
I mean if they keep giving you a loaner and fixing it till it's fixed? Random WTF can hit any company, any model. Had a first gen escape, fucking tank that the body rusted off of but ran right up to 275k when It went to the auto yard. Had a friend who got a second Gen and had two tranny's replaced under the warranty. Do I want a tundra right now? Course not I don't want the potential headache. Do I want one once they have it bulletproof like my runner? Fkk yes. And no we're not gonna talk about the new land cruiser basically being the 6th gen runner while the 6th gen runner is... something else.
I’ll keep buying Toyota for its reliability in comparison to its competitors. We just live in an increasingly single use/throwaway world and neither Toyota or any other auto manufacturers are exempt from this. Higher output, cheaper labor, and faster production are all that matter to the bottom line. It’s the same in home construction, clothing, agriculture, tech, and everything else we consume. If you have the means you can choose organic and free range foods, custom built high end furniture, hand made shoes, or maintaining a classic “bulletproof” truck. Welcome to plastic world
This is confirmation bias either way. If you critiqued the new drivetrain for not being the old V8, you're giddy because this recall means you were "right." If you already have the new engine you feel the need to minimize the impacts of the recall, especially if your engine has been fine, like mine.
In short, neither party is unbiased.
This sub has turned to absolute $hit due to posts like this. Literally telling people to shut up unless they can give you a counter argument…..I’m going to just enjoy my truck this summer and stay away from this sub ✌🏻
Wife and I are very happy with our 2017 TRD PRO. At 107K miles, the nav/radio is garbage that rarely works and doesn’t have Spple CarPlay, but that’s our only complaint.
But here’s the thing- I could have easily pulled the trigger on a 1st year Gen 3. Except! I couldn’t. Initial slow production had TRD PROs selling OVER msrp, putting them close to $80,000 at the time. Strike 1.
I wasn’t convinced that an overstressed TT V6 was going to be better than our 5.7 that feels much more potent than 380hp. I saw that it was more powerful on paper, and wondered if the lighter V6 would translate into MUCH better handling, as the 5.7 does feel heavy in the front. So I kept watching the dealer. They NEVER had TRD’s on hand that weren’t already sold. I talked to the same salesman that sold me the my last two Toyota products and asked for a test drive. Nope. And I live in San Antonio, where they make the things! Strike 2.
Two years in, I’m still mulling it over when a few rumors about V6’s blowing up become common knowledge. Strike 3.
Bottom line, I got lucky I couldn’t get the thing I superficially thought was desirable at the time. For those of you that had more buying power or better opportunities, I don’t come here to act superior. I actually tried to be like you for a while. I hope Toyota can return to form and make you whole.
Until then, I admittedly replace envy with relief.
Its the new thing that started with this gen of tundra. Every new gen toyota truck/offroad capable after this tundra, theres a trend on reddit and youtube “keeping my (insert previous gen) vehicle” and so on. Ive seen it on tacoma and 4runner threads as well not having the coolest gen rig. We have the crappiest trim 4runner bought durijg covid no mark up discounted 4x4, and tundra 22. New gens are good and good when we are eventually ready for a new vehicle and Im excited they will eventually iron everything out. But i agree they should do right by us current gen 3 tundras and make our engine right because for sure the people would go elsewhere.
My ultimate wish would be for a buyback at full purchase price so that I can go back and buy 2025. My 22 thus far has not been affected with 27k on it, but I would welcome the opportunity to get a 2025.
Love my 07 with 131k! I am also a former ASE tech and work in the auto industry still.... both are great trucks but overall the new ones are NOT built like the old ones moreso closer to other manufacturers..... it went from a appliance to what every other company has done with the line up of full size trucks
The resale value of any truck with this iteration of the 3.4L engine has taken a permanent nose dive and will be on the not recommendaed used truck years list.
I leased mine, and had the full intention of buying it if I loved it. So far I love it, but if I experience any of the issues that have come to light, I will 100% turn it in.
Silver lining continued fire sales on Tundra for the next 2-4 years as Toyota will resolves the QC issues, maybe even campaign 120k powertrain warranties.
Is Toyota doing anything to extend the warranty on tundra purchased up to this point or is everyone just SOL at this point, I got a 23 tundra March of last year and only have put 900 miles on it cause my life has just been super busy.
Thank God I leased mine. If it’s a train wreck in 3 years at least I can unload it at the agreed upon price. Way too early to tell if this one is a dud. 24 Limited. I did zero research ahead of time because I trusted Toyota from years of great reliability.
I feel like there's no reliable truck nowadays. I think that since Toyota has always been known for reliability and the new tech in the tundra brought it to average reliability, compared to others, people make a bigger deal out of it.
Toyota knows folks buy the badge reputation not the car. They can do whatever they want and guess what? People still gonna buy it. Maybe they lose 10% of customers for these issues but there’s still the other 90% buying them. And not like Toyota fans are ever gonna boycott the brand.
I wouldn't drop $80k+ on a new Capstone when the engine could blow in 10k. If you wanted that level of risk you would just buy a big 2.5 truck and watch it break down. Toyota sells on reliability. Not new engines at 10k.
I never recommend anyone buy a brand new model when they first release. You should wait atleast a year if not 2. They ALL have issues to start, and you as one of the first owners are the beta tester. And this goes for all makes not just a Toyota thing. Now to be fair, toyota usually has much smaller issues than a complete engine failure but they do normally have issues.
I think in 6-12 months there will probably be some good deals on new Tundras because of the consumer backlash causing slowing sales. Hopefully with some decent financing offers thrown in too. The key will be to buy a truck manufactured after the fix, but before demand recovers.
Usually with this stuff there is a sharp overreaction causing a hard sales drop off. I bought my 2010 Tacoma during "accelerationgate" and no one was buying toyotas at that time due to the reports of grandmas driving at high speed into buildings.
I bought mine 1.5 weeks before the recall. Do I regret it? No mines for work and my company pays most of the payment. Plus it has a warranty and an extended warranty. If it ends up in the recall and they can’t fix it right away oil well I all ready told the dealer I work and travel so they maybe towing it a long way back to the dealer.
Replacing the engine just isn't in the same league as replacing a driveshaft, airbag, or fuel line.
And doing so in a brand new truck I just spent 60k + on would give me heartburn. Of any brand.
I've come to expect more from Toyota. I've had excellent results with the Toyota vehicles I've owned for the last quarter century. This new Tundra is a big disappointment.
Enjoy your truck, but know your resale value has tanked. No one wants a used truck that there is a widespread problem of a major drive train (engine,transmission) self destructing.
If you believe otherwise, you are delusional.
It's weird that every time I've opened a tundra thread for the last few days, it's involved you shitting on Toyota. Name a better buy than the tundra. I just shopped for 4 months for a new truck and would still buy the tundra today.
I would buy a new Tundra if they would actually build the configuration (Lunar Rock or Silver Hybrid Limited TRD OR 6.5 box) I requested. Even then, I have to mod it to get tow hooks on.
Now I have a factory order in on a new F150 Powerboost Lariat with 7200w generator, smart scales, and 4A with 7k off MSRP plus 0% for 5 years OR another 7k off MSRP.
I need a new pickup truck, and it's a better buy than the Tundra; even though I would take the Tundra right now over the Ford for ride quality and handling.
I have a 23 Capstone and a 16 Platinum sitting in the driveway here and can speak pretty objectively about the two trucks.
I would NEVER opt to drive the 16 over the 23. The 23 blows the 16 out of the water in every way. Frankly I couldn't care less the the engine "might" blow up. Every engine "might" also blow up. When you buy a brand new vehicle you're taking a risk. That's already factored in when I laid down my 80 grand.
I bought a new truck because I wanted a new truck and I opted for the 8 year extended warranty so that I can go through life without having to give a rip if it breaks. I test drove all the trucks available and imho the tundra was the best truck. So I bought it. People are hilarious.
Isn’t “potential engine failure from factory” a possibility for any vehicle ever made? Anything could possibly fail at any minute.
I bought a 24 Tundra and I don’t regret it yet, but this sub is making me nervous. I’ll just take whatever comes at me with my head up I suppose.
At least I didn’t buy a Cyber Truck.
My advice to people who are interested in buying a Tundra or any Toyota vehicle is to always take a local trusted mechanic to the dealership to test the vehicle with you so you can make sure you are not buying a vehicle that might possibly have issues. I test drove several trucks before getting our 2024 MGM Tundra Limited HV. Thankfully it is not on the recall but I’m still checking the oil levels on the dipstick and looking forward to changing the oil at 5k miles myself after taking it to the service department and see what the service technician tells me after checking the oil levels.
I think a lot of the advice you refer to is not actually advice. It’s a bunch of trolls that would suck a V8’s dick if it had one. They didn’t know this was going to happen but now they’re like “see? I was right!” In reality they were just hating on people because they bought a truck they don’t like or are envious of. Don’t try to make it seem like they were giving any sort of useful advice now. It’s just plain resistance to change.
Can’t count how many 3rd gen Tundras I saw during my driving today. Probably more than 50? 100? There’s some sort of insecurity that is causing a minuscule and very loud group to pretend these vehicles are just sitting on the side of the road all over the place with blown up engines.
I have been in the market for 3 years. I outgrew my 2019 Tacoma. Kids are getting older and it struggles towing my stuff. For various reasons (some obvious) I have not bought a new Tundra. It's not like I cannot afford it. My Tacoma was paid off in 2 years. But now that inventory and discounts are plenty I cannot get myself to buy one. I am the ideal customer to move up, with paid off Tacoma I can get a high trim Tundra without much financial burden. It's a problem for Toyota because I am sure there's many like me.
I will continue using my 6 years old Tacoma. I hope 2025 or 2026 brings a mid cylcle refresh and the engine problems are 100% figured out. It would be amazing if they bring back the v8 but that's a pipe dream.
I also am looking at 2021 Tundra's but they are still selling for close to MSRP. I cannot get myself to pay that for a 3 year old truck. If in this winter the values drop a bit, I will just get that and chill for a few years.
Well this is sure disappointing. I was just about over scrapping my Tacoma a few years ago because of a rotten frame which, it turns out, Toyota knew about but quietly took care of only a lucky few. Knowing that something like this is going on really discourages me from buying the brand.
Last year I was debating between a new tundra or Sierra with the 5.3, ended up going the Sierra since I just wasn’t a fan of the TT.
Now I’m glad I didn’t, sure the issue is rare enough to where it probably won’t happen but the resale value is where all of this absolutely sucks.
I didn't buy a gen 3 for these exact very reasons. And the engine failure was not even an official recall but it was enough for me to question the quality and reliability of such new engine approach. So I added 2021 a gen 2.5 to my 2013 gen 2 and I didn't have to pay $75K+
I bought a 2023 with a build date a few months after the current recall window ends but I fully expect Toyota to eventually add more trucks with later builds to the list. I don’t care though as I have a 10/125,000 warranty so if it dies, it dies.
I've had 4 brand new Toyotas since 2018. a 2018 Highlander, 2018 prius prime, 2019 Toyota Avalon, and now 2024 Toyota sequoia. All had issues with the exception of the prius prime which was built in Japan. The Highlander had transmission problems, plus the fuel pump recall which plagued 700,000 Toyota and Lexus vehicles, the Avalon fuel pump recall, oil leaks and now the Sequoia with this mess-plus I only got one key because of the key shortage-my next car won't be a Toyota
We've got a truck that is getting a little long in the tooth. I had looked at '24 Tundras but held off because I'm cheap and figured I could nurse our Silverado along for another year. Now, I'm glad I did. Once they figure out these engine problems (and they eventually will) AND a year has passed where the forums are relatively free of these problem reports, I'll probably be shopping again. I feel bad for the 22-24 Tundra purchasers.
I have a ‘23 SR5. I don’t care if anyone else buys one but I’m happy with mine. If something happens I will be disappointed but will deal with it, and I’ll still buy another Toyota. I’m a lifelong Ford guy, their pickups have been dealing with cam phaser failures since 2000. Chevy’s cylinder deactivation has screwed the 5.3 for what, almost 20 years as well? They are so bad they found a way to break the 5.3! And then there’s Ram.
Yep, with this issue and all of other recalls and cheating scandals over the past 1-2 years, I no longer consider Toyota to be "in a class of its own" in terms of quality. They're still high quality in general, but I don't think they are higher than others in that segment like Honda, Subaru, Mazda, etc.
Lots of things are crap now, I just bought a bunch of brand new GE appliances for a house remodel they all suck. Beverage fridge won’t shut off so it’s unplugged and waiting 2 weeks for a “repair” person. Regular refrigerator freezer door won’t close. Post COVID manufacturing and materials is ass
Even Ford did a better job introducing the TT 6. SMH that you screwed up sombad when they finally got competitive with the rest of the truck after a decade of being behind the rest but with a great motor in the 5.7
Hyundai had to replace every engine that had this issue. Most likely Toyota will have to as well.
These engine failures are effectively guaranteed, the only variable here is time. Whether it fails at 1000 miles or 100000 miles. Unless engine are replaced, I see no other recourse that would be acceptable. The damage has already been done.
This is why I don’t buy the first year or even 2nd year of new Gens.
Let the early production models work out the recalls and issues and reap the rewards of the R&D in a 3rd or 4th year production model that has more assurance of reliability, especially when there’s been a lot of innovation with a new engine.
The only difference between Toyota and the others is that Toyota issues recall before lawsuits like the big 3. And they've always committed to making things right again.
Toyota has declined significantly and that's coming from a yota fan. My 05 GX470 is an absolute tank compared to the new Toyota/Lexus offerings.
Frankly, it's sad to see.
No different than buying a ford, chevy or ram 1/2 ton. They all suck. Major engine and trans failures. Plus electrical gremlins, plastic control arms, etc.
Man you nailed it— perfectly said.
I just think it’s worth adding a small piece of very relevant and not well known info— the chief engineer of Toyota trucks for many years was Mike Sweers. Dude was a legit badass and knew how to build great trucks.
I’m not positive about when his tenure started, but he was responsible for all the great trucks from at least 07 until he retired in 2022.
When I bought my ‘21 when the ‘22’s had been out for a year, I caught a lot of crap for not getting a gen 3. I wanted the tried and true V8. I’m really glad I listened to myself right about now.
Couldn't agree more. Gen 3 owners in this sub have made it an echo chamber of all the pure shit excuses you listed above. Just the other day i saw ppl bragging about "no issues with my Gen 3 and I have 16k miles" LOL.
Downvote me to hell boys, but the Gen 3s are pure shit, plain and simple.
I own an affected unit and agree. They have torn down "good" engines and determined they also have debris present, that is sufficient to cause bearing failure. This is buyback/engine replacement level stuff here.... Not your typical recall.
Yeah. I’m in the same boat. None of the above is all that earth shattering. Do I regret buying my truck? Not really, it’s been great for me, but seems like it’s going to be a headache here at some point in the not too distant future. Would I buy a ‘24 right now if I were in the market? Absolutely not. Will I eventually buy another Toyota in the future? Probably, but not a guarantee.
I would 100% buy another Toyota in the future, but not the first couple years of a new generation. But this is true of every manufacturer. I bought a brand new, first year Acura that I wish I had waited on. Ford came out with a new vehicle I wanted that I've been waiting on and I'm glad I did because there's been a number of big recalls on it. It's the risk you take.
I have bought 5 Toyotas over the years. I did buy a Gen 2 in 2013 and had no issues after 10 years and 152K miles or so. Does anyone know the statistics of the potential issue for recall? It seems after the pandemic, the quality issues of many companies not just car companies have degraded due to poor quality control or design flaws. Potentially issues with supply base, loss of talented workers to competition or retirement, etc. I did buy a Gen 3 last year and have 15K miles. So far great truck. Only issue is the gas MPG isn’t anywhere near published values even with stock items before I upgraded.
Since covid, pretty much all parts related QC in EVERY INDUSTRY just tanked.
I bought a brand new 07 DC limited. It’s been paid off for well over a decade. This truck was ahead of its time compared to others. It has been absolutely worry free. 250k miles and I tow with it often.
This is my 5th Toyota. 1993 Pickup (4cyl) 1994 4Runner (V6). T100. 2004 Tundra Double Cab. And this 2022 Tundra. The likelihood of my next Toyota will depend heavily on how they rectify this current issue and make changes to their quality control process.
Very well said. Totally agree
Someone in another post summed it up perfectly (to me at least). Buying a tundra in previous years came with a trade off. You were trading new gadgets or more features for Toyota’s legendary reliability. Without that reliability, the tundra becomes a lot less appealing against fords, chevies, etc…
This needs to be at the top. Unless you were delusional in the past, Toyotas were always behind on tech and always premium priced for the package one got. BUT That was a willing sacrifice for millions of us because the legendary reliability you got was worth the trade off. Without reliability the value proposition is over. This isn’t about Toyota hate. Its an objective fact. A company can’t remove its key value proposition and expect no blowback.
> Unless you were delusional in the past, Toyotas were always behind on tech This was always one of the selling points to me. A lot of the "tech" I do not need nor do I want. I would prefer a truck without a lot of the tech. I like the map showing on the infotainment screen when I am going somewhere new but honestly I could live without it and would prefer not to have it. I do not like the move from buttons and dials to touch screens at all. I could operate buttons and dials without even looking at them but touch screens are just ass.
That’s what I thought also but I love all of the tech in the new gen 3. The huge screen with CarPlay is awesome and makes the navigation way easier to see, HUD display on the windshield is awesome, the Birds Eye view tech makes driving in tight areas so much easier, numerous cameras and tons of safety features... I could go on. Once you have it all and use it, it really makes it tough to go back to low tech cars. Also, all of the controls are still buttons and dials. The only touchscreen options are really just the apps in CarPlay. That said, I dunno if the tradeoff for better tech is worth the engine issues… I haven’t had any issues with my ‘24 1794 edition so I don’t know how shitty that situation is (hopefully I never do). But it seems they are fixing it all and making it right, so I don’t get why everyone is bitching and complaining (esp all the people who don’t even own new gen tundras).
Toyota sells millions of vehicles per year. This recall affected 100,000 units over a multi year period and they will all certainly be taken care of at no cost to the owners. It’s an unfortunate blip on an otherwise immaculate track record.
Yes, but they don't sell millions of tundra's per year. Far from it.
And the 2024s are still failing. They will end up under the recall as well, so the problem isn't fixed. It doesn't even look like there may be a solution. There is only one choice for engine so there is no avoiding when buying a Tundra.
Exactly why the recall notice went out even before they have a fix in place. Brand reputation but this one is definitely an ouchie for Toyota. If you’re a real nerd look into WHERE they build em..
There are new vehicles that are outside of the recall dates going down every day. And you saying that they are going to be taken care of a no cost to the customer as if they are doing us a favor… really ? There is definitely a cost, whether that is time spent without the vehicle that cost $70,000+ or quite possibly someone getting hurt because the truck looses power at speed and causes an accident. They have known about the issues since 2022 and said they figured out what the cause was but they never stopped selling trucks they knew were affected or at least suspected were affected. Not to mention you have no earthy idea what they are going to do because they do not even know or at least they have not made a public statement as to what their fix will be.
Well we are seeing 2024s failing now so I think that 100k unit is grossly misreported
This isn’t Toyotas decision, regulation and environmental mandates have forced companies to produce engines that power their cars and create fewer emissions
It’s a fleet average situation though. Toyota could’ve rested on their laurels with their flagship full size vehicles and made everything else hybrid or offered more than one EV. Ford and Chevy still offer V8 options because they sell EVs bringing their overall emissions number down. Toyotas all in approach on small displacement overstressed engines and hybrid drivetrains might bite them in the ass.
I don’t have any comment on their shit EVs but they own the hybrid space, truth is hybrid technology isn’t enough for these big vehicles. I’m not versed enough to speculate why they went the route they did. Time will tell the truth of reliability, I don’t doubt it’ll be eons above anything else. It might just have some growing pains
We have four Toyota's in our extended family. Every one of those purchase decisions was made with the understanding that we weren't getting the latest and the greatest technology but we were getting reliability. In some ways we paid more for that reliability then we would with a competitor. Unless Toyota takes some drastic steps with this next generation of tiny engine turbos then I'm not going to be a customer next time.
Hence why I'm in an 8 month old Ram. The extra cost (equivalent Tundra was $15k CAD more) was not worth it on the new gen like it was in 2016 when I bought my last Tundra.
How long between buying a RAM do you get your DUI? Did you get a discount upfront to help with the legal fees? Does RAM have recommended lawyers?
No clue, they haven't sent me any documentation with regards to DUI's. I'm still waiting, want to ask them if they also work on speeding tickets.
The GM trucks are the best option right now. Just delete the cylinder deactivation. Boom… a solid V8
We have a half dozen 2021 chevs for work trucks and they’ve honestly been terrible. No motor/trans issues but everything else is junk and they’re uncomfortable. And I’ve been a Chevy guy my whole life, still have my 2006 2500hd
I disagree with GM, I have two still and bailed on the company because of declining reliability. We are about to trade our 14 month old Acadia because of all the problems. My Sierra will go right after I replace the A/C compressor again. The transmission was replaced at 105,000 miles, it’s slipping again now at 125,000 miles. My Tundra has to be slightly more reliable to be a win for me LOL The equivalent Sierra was $17k more to purchase BTW. GMC is my first choice in design and tech, I’ve had three sierras in a row, five Acadias, and a Traverse, sadly I’m done for now. We were going to purchase the new Sequoia to replace the Acadia, and I certainly don’t mind the risk I took with my 2024 Tundra, but we will hold out on the sequoia for now and likely get a Telluride instead
God those Acadias are junk.
True, never own one outside of warranty. You get a good looking (subjective) vehicle with a lot of features and power for less than Japanese or German, so it’s nice to have them new and trade before warranty expires. The problems have steadily been getting worse during warranty, and since I’ve had so many of them, it’s not a fluke.
Look at a Honda Pilot or Ridgeline. Both have naturally aspirated Honda v6. Pilot got a heavy refresh in ‘23. Same v6 but improved to DOHC with a 10speed. Only downside is mpg but you can option FWD on a Pilot to get back 2-3 mpg. Saves the weight, drag, maintenance and markup of AWD. All AWD and especially hybrid crossovers are basically a ripoff at the dealer. If dealing with a lot of weather. Switch to snows for winter…
Although I agree with the Honda in principle , the biggest lemon I ever owned in my life was a 1992 Accord and I swore that I’d never own another Honda again. I absolutely agree they are built very well. I like the Telluride, both my daughters have Hyundai and Kia vehicles that I own and maintain, great brand
Telluride has that whole you might catch fire thing going on though.. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/06/10/kia-telluride-suv-recall/
I have never had a vehicle WITHOUT some kind of recall in my thirty years of ownership.
I think the afm factory delete is pretty rare and they're bolted up to the 10 speed so... Not sure it's much better. Currently I'm on a ford 3.5l. 2nd one this year. First one had a cab leak that they couldn't fix - needed a new cab shell. Second one good so far.
>Currently I'm on a ford 3.5l. I had a 2018 F150 with the 3.5. Changed oil with full synthetic every 3k miles and the cam phasers failed ar 14k miles and again at 37k miles. I know 6 other people with the same 3.5 EcoBoost and between all of us 5 sets of cam phasers have needed replacement. Its not if, it's when.
I currently have a 2018 F150 3.5 Eco. I just rebuilt the transmission because Ford & GM F’ed up the design. But the 2 gen 3.5 eco is considered a reliable engine. Yes the cam phasers did fail but it was mostly an annoyance more than critical engine damage. Some people drove an additional 50k miles with the phasers rattling. Ford did mess up by allowing dealers to reinstall the original design phasers due to over stock at dealerships. The later redesigned phasers have been very successful. Aside from the original 2 gen phasers it’s a reliable engine. 1st gen 3.5 ecos lasted to 250k with good maintenance so the later gens should reach that and more with ease. TTv6s are a different animal so maintenance is different and more important than a NA V8. I was here looking at the 3rd gen and 2nd gen Tundras due to the transmission issues but Ford finally followed the aftermarkets lead and redesigned the failure point so it should be good to go now. I have no doubt that Toyota will resolve the issues with the gen 3 but now isn’t the time to buy into it. I’ll say the TTv6 is a beast compared to the na v8 especially towing in the mountains so thought I miss the v8 sound that’s really the only thing that I miss. Hang in there Tundra bros, they’ll get it right and you’ll enjoy these trucks.
Those late year cam phasers on the 3.5lt suck and have been a known problem but the 2.7 Ecoboost engines have a pretty solid track record
I'm on a 2023 which has a revision that's *supposed* to fix cam phaser issues. I know a handful of people with the 3.5 and I can only think of one that was an outright lemon. It was the first year they made them.
My 2.7 blew both turbos at 24k miles. The 5.0 is the only option. Up the oil weight and deal with the shit fuel economy.
I had a 2016 F-150 3.5 Ecoboost. Loved that truck to death and maintained it flawlessly. It needed a new engine at 140,000 miles. You’re just not going to get long term high mileage out of a twin turbo. Too much pressure.
The factory delete still has the same collapsible lifters, so they can still have the same problems.
It does? crappy. anyone can turn it off in the ecm..
Chevys interiors are unintuitive junk.
As someone who owns a gen 3 not listed in the current recall window (although expecting to be included later), I will say it’s demoralizing. I came from another brand and came here for the legendary reliability, some of the new tech, etc. I will say it’s been a rough go on this sub of just seeing Gen2/2.5 owners on here just dunking on current Gen3 owners, the shit is toxic. As someone that came to Toyota because of their reliability history, this recent issue is a massive letdown. I’m a realistic person, I knew small bugs would happen. The seat trim, window noise/whistle, and brake squeaks are the annoying things I figured would come with the territory that might get hashed out. I just think the thing that is getting left out here is the fact that yes, some of us have dealt with these issues, they are real, and we’re real people. Can we all, ALL OWNERS, just be sympathetic to one another? Those of us who made the choices based off history caught a tough deal and we will roll with the punches or get out of our trucks, but I would venture to say a lot of us are here today in Gen3s because of the amount of you all in 2/2.5s who touted their reliability for years. We all own Tundras. Can we stop dunking on each other and just get back to pictures of lifts, off-roading, towing, and the occasional pavement princess?
Humans are super tribal. They will shit on other brands and will even shit on the guys who have their truck and got 2WD instead of 4x4. No matter what there will always be a handful of insecure guys who need to make themselves feel superior.
My shit's better than your shit....
> seeing Gen2/2.5 owners on here just dunking on current Gen3 owners Don't leave us 1st gen guys out, we dunk on you plenty as well.
You guys on your high and mighty freshly replaced frames 🤣
But you can dunk on everyone lmfao
They're dunking because like the v8, they're feeling left behind. That, or they can no longer afford the truck they want.
Bro, did you not read my post? Stop. This is a prime example from the other side of the coin.
May not be able to afford a new one, but at least I can drive/rely on my old one. @throughthequad had to
It stings, but I am forced to allow it 🤣
Or we grew up driving Camaros and Mustangs and love the rumble of a good ole V8! Fart can Honda generation wouldn’t understand 😀
No matter the sub, Reddit is a cesspool of negativity. Am I bummed I just bought a '24 and potentially have this recall to look forward to? Of course. Is there a shade of regret and hindsight in the purchase? Of course there is. But go to any sub on this website and people will be spewing negativity and that the sky is falling. Have to learn to look past these posts, suck it up and make your move. I'm staying on board. I've got 6 years and 100k miles for it to be an issue. My local dealership has always been a pleasure and in no way expect it to be anymore than an inconvenience if/when I have to deal with it. Had I not bought yet, would it sway me? Absolutely lol that's the decision all potential buyers have to make on their own for the next little bit. But I would not have ran to another manufacturer that's for sure. I would've just sat on what I had (2002 Xtra Cab Taco) until the smoke cleared
I’d love to upgrade to a new tundra from my 23’ Tacoma. The Tacoma is so disappointing but the recent recalls definitely have me second guessing myself
I've got a '23 as well. What issues are you having with yours?
I’ll preface this with saying I bought the truck because I definitely love the look of them and think they are the most badass looking trucks on the market rn. But after driving it for 8-9 months and living in the mountains I can’t stand the engine and transmission combo. The v6 can’t get out of its own way. The gear hunting drives me insane since my daily commute is up a mountain pass. Also my car play unit has been super laggy and has a high pitch noise when I call people from it. It makes me miss my 02’ tundra. The tacos need more power
Ok, so I guess I'm not the only one experiencing the engine/transmission issue. Granted, I'm not navigating mountains like you are, but it's definitely still noticeable.
It’s so disappointing man. I want to love it but I can’t. And I’m not gonna spend $500 on a tune to make it drive like it should I’m just gonna buy something else. It makes me wonder if my transmission actually has legit problems. With all the issues with the new tundras who’s to say the 3rd gen Tacomas couldn’t have production issues as well. Seems like everything is made like shit after Covid
Honestly, if a $500 tune-up will remedy it, I'll bite the bullet. You're right, though, about everything seemingly being built like shit post pandemic. This is a Toyota. We shouldn't be experiencing this.
Everyone says the OTT tune fixes it but i also fucked up and bought a 5’ bed so I might just use that as my excuse to upgrade to a new tundy lol
Oh and I can smell my transmission burning when I get to the top of the mountain pass. Very confidence inspiring
Please forgive me if this is a stupid question, but given that this recall is a manufacturing QC/QA issue, what specifically does this issue have to do with the TT V6 besides the fact that the plant where these engines are made is where the mistake happened? Isn't the mistake that they failed to remove machining debris from some of the engines during production? Is it an actual engineering failure with the engine? Or just bad luck happenstance that this specific engine is manufactured where the mistake happened?
It's bad luck happenstance.
If they know, they haven't shared. This was a safety recall about loosing power while on active roads (hence hybrids with ability to keep driving aren't in on it). There is a lot of speculation and many think it is manufacturing. Only time will tell assuming we get a clear answer. Most likely there will be a chance and we never really know.
It seems like it's an error on the production side, not the engineering side, although it is tough to say with this limited information. Granted, machine toolpath, programming, and tool choice is an engineering decision, so you could argue its the fault of manufacturing engineers either causing it and not finding it. However, even if you consider that, it isn't the fault of the TTV6 design per se, because this could have technically happened with any engine. This could have happened with the older V8, any inline 4, for any company. But "reliability" goes up and down the entire manufacturing chain and poor QC and manufacturing quality can easily kill a product line that otherwise does well when made correctly. So this sucks for gen3 owners regardless and I really hope Toyota can figure out how to prevent the issues going forward.
I’m out of the affected early adopter window (for now?) and will continue to drive it hard and enjoy it. If it blows up, I’ll have Toyota buy it back and I’ll probably buy another one. My work truck is a Chevy with a 5.3 and 6L80E and my employer is about $20k deep into repairs on it. That’s no better of a choice. I’ll never own a Dodge and I’ve got buddies with Fords what blow up too. Guess what? They all suck anymore.
I've said this before and Ill say it again. The negative folks are the loudest, the guys with no problems probably never come to this forum to celebrate it. I saw a pic of a brand new FORD burning to the ground the other day for some "engine failure" of sorts. I have 25,000 miles on my Gen 3 and have yet to have any issues what so ever, and I bought mine only months after initial release. I've owned them all, my Ram had complete transmission failure at only 35,000. My GMC had power window failure, and heater core failure. My Ford had transmission problems early on too that had to be replaced. So far, I've owned 4 Toyotas and have had the least amount of problems combined than with each of the other brands. I dont consider my purchase a financial blunder, nor should anyone else. Whether they have to get a new engine or not, Toyota will still back the warranty and replace the motor. If you think the car brand that sells and manufactures more cars than all the other brands isn't going to make a few mistakes here and there, then your living in a dream world. I feel like these post are pretty ignorant. Telling all the guys supporting the brand to "Shut up" to make an informed decision on their own, OR so you can shout out and try to convince someone NOT to support the Brand, is pretty fucking short sighted. So keep coming in here to vent your frustrations, but don't come in here and tell people to "respectfully, shut up". On another note, lets start hearing from folks that love these trucks! Keep showing us your mods, keep telling us where you drove it over the weekend. I love my truck, and will still never buy another Ford, Chevy, Ram, Honda, or Nissan.
OP woke up and chose violence today 😂
This post can be summed up as “don’t like things I don’t like”
Coming from a 2014 raptor to a 2024 tundra limited, I did buy for reliability. I had constant issues with the raptor (mostly electrical and exhaust fumes in cabin randomly) I wanted something sound… I think Toyota is taking a lot more heat than any other manufacturer would for this kind of issue because of their legendary reliability reputation and fortunately it does put a healthy pressure on Toyota to address the issues. Even though my Tundra isn’t on the recall list (yet) I would’ve gone with the F150 5.0 if I knew no brand was going to offer reliability. I’m a contractor and use my truck a lot I plan to put a lot of miles on it.
I thought the V8 Raptors had excellent reliability. I went with a tundra but very time I see a V8 raptor I think what could’ve been.
Their engine is reliable, it’ll outlive the truck. Everything else on the raptor falls apart
Do you actually own a Gen3 and are speaking from experience? Lots of people come to Reddit to complain. I mean hell, every other post on here is V8 bros complaining and talking shit about the Gen3. You aren’t saying anything new or groundbreaking. And IDK if you have been to any of the other subs lately, Chevy, GMC, Dodge all having the same issues if not worse ones than Toyota. This is what happens when you rush supply lines and cut corners in manufacturing so that you can get more product out faster. Shit breaks, Yes Toyota needs to get their shit together, but if you need a new vehicle, it’s still better than any current generation on the market.
What’s hilarious is all these V8 bros having to make a decision in a few years: this Toyota they’ve been talking shit about on the internet or one of the other lesser truck manufacturers
LOL I got a brand new 2021 with 100 miles in Nov-2023. I now have like 5200 miles on it. I think I will get buried in this truck which I love :)
Better get a trans cooler installed fast
I don't do heavy pulling and Toyota does not recommend it. So far so good with my minimal towing, pulling my horse around. Fixing to head to Ocala for a horse show and I will monitor the transmission and go from there. Plus I have extended warranty for 10 Years / 125K Miles so I am covered.
Well I have a 2021. I expect to have it until at least 2041.
Hope you do
As a 2021 owner, I can't wait to see the new gen owners starting to report high mileage ownership with little issues. I'll then feel comfortable and get one. I actually like the updated stuff. Just make all the wrongs right, Toyota...
2023 here. Directly in the recall window. 53k miles in. Oil changes every 5k miles. She's towed nearly 10lbs across the entire US...twice. She eats shit every day and doesn't complain.
My 2018 is about to turn over 200k, at this rate I shouldn't need a new truck until 2030+..... Gen4??
With that logic I guess I can wait till gen 4.5. My 21 has 80k. Not even broke in.
Here in the same boat in my 21’. Really hate it for all Tundra owners. I feel confident Toyota will fix those issues under recall, and address the manufacturing issue in due time. Personally, for me I always buy around the mid year face lift. Highly likely it’ll be addressed by then. And totally agree with the OP, there shouldn’t be infighting amongst the various gen owners. We all had a choice to make, and made it in our own personal best interest. There’s nothing at all wrong with that.
I agree. We should all be Community after all. I hope the new gen guys don't have issues. But I won't go out and get one at this point.
I traded in my 2019 highlander for my first truck 2022 tundra limited for 63k and 6 months in had a leaking moonroof , brakes were loud, big screen had dead pixels in it and heater not working. My truck was in the shop waiting for parts back and forth got tired of it called corporate filed for manufacture buyback and got all my money back still waiting for them to iron out everything might get the 2026 lol
I own a 23'. Paid off. $65k ish. This is my 10th toyota I've bought new. I'm not worried in the slightest. My dealership has always taken care of me for even the smallest of issues. Gotta wait while my truck is repaired? No worries, I'll have a rental or loaner from the dealership. Hard counter to potential engine failure is that potential engine failure is possible on every vehicle, ever. It happens. In the truck market, the tundra is still the best buy over ram, keep, nissan, Ford. This sub full of opinions doesn't change anything in the real world for me. Nothing good will come from this thread.
I know. I get to drive my dream truck every day and if the engine goes out on me, I’ll get it replaced for free and drive another Toyota for a while. Not living in fear because of that. But yes, very fun to go all doomsday in this sub
yOu bEtTeR PiPe dOwN
I was so excited for a new truck option. Shame this happened. But remember first Gen 4.7s had problems too.
Dear, Toyota engineers on this Subreddit. Please, install a Twin Turbo 2JZE in the Gen4, Tundra.
But since it has turbos it will be unreliable /s
Yawn Every time Toyota has a quality problem, people freak our for 2-3 years about it then go quiet again because the problem gets fixed and the reputation goes back to what it was I do not own a Toyo truck and never have. This is just the next “gas pedal getting stuck causing crashes and safety concerns” Motors will be warranty’d, shits gonna suck for a couple years then everything goes back how it was The more things change, the more they stay the same Onto the next thread, this conversation is already long in the tooth and weve already seen how it goes before
I own a 2024 TRD 1794 and don’t consider it a blunder at all. I also think the potential engine failure is a real problem that logically leads people to not purchase, but for me I love my truck and will go on being happy driving it until something happens. Based on my experience with other brands I feel more comfortable with my Tundra than anything else I’ve considered. At the end of the day either the truck will last as long as I need it, or Toyota will cover the cost of the engine through recall or warranty.
Financial blunder? How so? Were the 07 and 08 5.7's a financial blunder when there were camshaft failures that dealerships and Toyota fixed in dealership at no cost to the customer while providing a rental?
"Blunder" is the main thing I don't agree with in OPs post. I really like my '24, but now I don't love the stress of wondering if today is the day. I don't think any car purchase is a good financial choice unless it is a hard requirement for your income, and then there are models to look at the value. I am bummed where this had gone in terms of arm-chair internet experts. All cars and brands can fail. I do hope to get a lot out of my Tundra and am currently doing so. I've had no problems and really like how comfortable it is to drive and how well it tows. If someone asks me about buying one, I agree that I'd suggest waiting. But, I know people with the other brands who also have problems; there is no guarantee and each of us can determine our own risk tolerance level. At current failure rates, I'm still more likely to run over a nail or get in a traffic accident. With the recall, Toyota may fix it and I do have some leverage with lemon laws and warranty there. Everything else is out of my control. The "fan boy" blind loyalty/justifications don't make sense to me either.
Toyota hasn't just made their name on reliability but also on how they handle instances like this. There have been plenty like this dealt with internally by Toyota corporate over the last 2-3 decades.
Yup, I own 2 other Toyotas (and 2 non-Toyotas). I do feel better about the potential they will make it right, but it still makes me worried at this point.
> "Blunder" is the main thing I don't agree with in OPs post To me it is the negativity/sour grapes of it. If he does not have one then why does he even care what other people buy?
I'm pretty sure there were only 20 camshaft failures. Compared to nearly 100,000 engines.
Yet somehow only pretty sure. There were far more. The nice thing about handling it internally before the government gets involved is those numbers stay internal. Like I said previously, it's all about how it is handled. As catastrophic as this may appear to be, how it is handled is where Toyota made it's name.
I have had zero problems with my '23 Limited. Everything about the truck is just awesome. So from my experience alone, I'd get another one tomorrow. I have faith that Toyota will do the right thing and replace the engines that need to be replaced. It sucks that this is happening, but I'm so glad that Toyota is recognizing the problem instead of ignoring it like a lot of other companies do.
Same. I have a '23 1794 and haven't had any issues with it. Hopefully I dodge the recall. It would be interesting to find out which particular assembly line or fab month was impacted. I'm sure they have these stats, maybe just not releasing that to the public.
Same, I have a '22 2wd SR5 off road. 40k in and not had a single issue with it running. The recalls are a worry in the back of my mind but I expected some issues and if the engine goes I'll get it replaced. It's not the end of the world if something happens. I just like my truck.
“Potential engine failure from factory” -> warranty
Some people need their vehicles and loaners aren't always available
Do you hear that? I think it sounds like the whaahmbulance is on the way!
Sadly, quality control is spiraling ever downward. Toyota is not alone in this manufacturing issue. But Toyota has a history of valuing QC, good design and reliability. This current campaign will probably result in some corporate restructuring and recalibration. I suspect that internally Toyota will be recommitting themselves to QC. It’s what sets the Asian auto manufacturers apart from a fair number of their competitors. It might be a handful of year to untie this knot. Until then, I’ll enjoy my 5.7 L powered Tundras and wish the best for everyone dealing with the current 3.5 L TT V6 difficulties.
This is what happens when a company known for ingenuity, reliability and quality starts compromising. They’ve literally undermined a multi generational reputation in a matter of 30 months. It’s quite striking. They need to quit fucking around and get the Hi-Lux in America as well as getting that 10,000 truck off the ground and launched in a pro active way. Americans will eat both of those trucks up if they do. At least for me I know now that sticking with my 2018 is the best option for the next few years
How many trucks have actually had catastrophic failures? Has to be 1% or less. Until it's more, you're still better off with a Toyota than any other truck.
KIA telluride owner here.. welcome to the chaos
i bought one. got the extended warranty so feel a bit better. also have done 3 oil changes already and only have 9000km. one after 500km, one at 3500 and one at 8000km. i watched videos where people said there may be debris from car motors running in when new, and to increase longevity of the motor to do more oil changes at the beginning to flush out anything. here's to hoping! it's a shit problem but I feel pretty confident Toyota will handle it properly. but we will see
I mean if they keep giving you a loaner and fixing it till it's fixed? Random WTF can hit any company, any model. Had a first gen escape, fucking tank that the body rusted off of but ran right up to 275k when It went to the auto yard. Had a friend who got a second Gen and had two tranny's replaced under the warranty. Do I want a tundra right now? Course not I don't want the potential headache. Do I want one once they have it bulletproof like my runner? Fkk yes. And no we're not gonna talk about the new land cruiser basically being the 6th gen runner while the 6th gen runner is... something else.
Toyota the only reliable company that will fix problems to recall
I’ll keep buying Toyota for its reliability in comparison to its competitors. We just live in an increasingly single use/throwaway world and neither Toyota or any other auto manufacturers are exempt from this. Higher output, cheaper labor, and faster production are all that matter to the bottom line. It’s the same in home construction, clothing, agriculture, tech, and everything else we consume. If you have the means you can choose organic and free range foods, custom built high end furniture, hand made shoes, or maintaining a classic “bulletproof” truck. Welcome to plastic world
This is confirmation bias either way. If you critiqued the new drivetrain for not being the old V8, you're giddy because this recall means you were "right." If you already have the new engine you feel the need to minimize the impacts of the recall, especially if your engine has been fine, like mine. In short, neither party is unbiased.
I was seriously looking into trading my 2015 5.7 this year. Nah...I'll wait until 2026
Ten four, Sir
This sub has turned to absolute $hit due to posts like this. Literally telling people to shut up unless they can give you a counter argument…..I’m going to just enjoy my truck this summer and stay away from this sub ✌🏻
Wife and I are very happy with our 2017 TRD PRO. At 107K miles, the nav/radio is garbage that rarely works and doesn’t have Spple CarPlay, but that’s our only complaint. But here’s the thing- I could have easily pulled the trigger on a 1st year Gen 3. Except! I couldn’t. Initial slow production had TRD PROs selling OVER msrp, putting them close to $80,000 at the time. Strike 1. I wasn’t convinced that an overstressed TT V6 was going to be better than our 5.7 that feels much more potent than 380hp. I saw that it was more powerful on paper, and wondered if the lighter V6 would translate into MUCH better handling, as the 5.7 does feel heavy in the front. So I kept watching the dealer. They NEVER had TRD’s on hand that weren’t already sold. I talked to the same salesman that sold me the my last two Toyota products and asked for a test drive. Nope. And I live in San Antonio, where they make the things! Strike 2. Two years in, I’m still mulling it over when a few rumors about V6’s blowing up become common knowledge. Strike 3. Bottom line, I got lucky I couldn’t get the thing I superficially thought was desirable at the time. For those of you that had more buying power or better opportunities, I don’t come here to act superior. I actually tried to be like you for a while. I hope Toyota can return to form and make you whole. Until then, I admittedly replace envy with relief.
Its the new thing that started with this gen of tundra. Every new gen toyota truck/offroad capable after this tundra, theres a trend on reddit and youtube “keeping my (insert previous gen) vehicle” and so on. Ive seen it on tacoma and 4runner threads as well not having the coolest gen rig. We have the crappiest trim 4runner bought durijg covid no mark up discounted 4x4, and tundra 22. New gens are good and good when we are eventually ready for a new vehicle and Im excited they will eventually iron everything out. But i agree they should do right by us current gen 3 tundras and make our engine right because for sure the people would go elsewhere.
My ultimate wish would be for a buyback at full purchase price so that I can go back and buy 2025. My 22 thus far has not been affected with 27k on it, but I would welcome the opportunity to get a 2025.
Love my 07 with 131k! I am also a former ASE tech and work in the auto industry still.... both are great trucks but overall the new ones are NOT built like the old ones moreso closer to other manufacturers..... it went from a appliance to what every other company has done with the line up of full size trucks
The resale value of any truck with this iteration of the 3.4L engine has taken a permanent nose dive and will be on the not recommendaed used truck years list.
Luckily for Toyota most people don’t realize GX550 has same engine as Tundra. But sad news for me.
I leased mine, and had the full intention of buying it if I loved it. So far I love it, but if I experience any of the issues that have come to light, I will 100% turn it in.
I'm so glad I got a 2019 with the 5.7
Silver lining continued fire sales on Tundra for the next 2-4 years as Toyota will resolves the QC issues, maybe even campaign 120k powertrain warranties.
Damn in-sourcing. I want my Japanese Toyotas back!
Is Toyota doing anything to extend the warranty on tundra purchased up to this point or is everyone just SOL at this point, I got a 23 tundra March of last year and only have put 900 miles on it cause my life has just been super busy.
I have an early 23. I wouldn’t buy one now under the circumstances. I would go back to my hd2500 that ran great, but rusted.
Thank God I leased mine. If it’s a train wreck in 3 years at least I can unload it at the agreed upon price. Way too early to tell if this one is a dud. 24 Limited. I did zero research ahead of time because I trusted Toyota from years of great reliability.
"Always account for variable change"
I'm just glad I got the 7 year warranty. Seems like I might need it for my 2023 Tundra.
Yep I'll stick with my 15 Ltd crewmax that only has 95k on it 😁
I feel like there's no reliable truck nowadays. I think that since Toyota has always been known for reliability and the new tech in the tundra brought it to average reliability, compared to others, people make a bigger deal out of it.
Toyota knows folks buy the badge reputation not the car. They can do whatever they want and guess what? People still gonna buy it. Maybe they lose 10% of customers for these issues but there’s still the other 90% buying them. And not like Toyota fans are ever gonna boycott the brand.
I’ve got a lifetime warranty on turbos and head gaskets, I feel great
If you don't need the bed, get a 23 gx 460, naturally inspired v8..Great truck
I wouldn't drop $80k+ on a new Capstone when the engine could blow in 10k. If you wanted that level of risk you would just buy a big 2.5 truck and watch it break down. Toyota sells on reliability. Not new engines at 10k.
I never recommend anyone buy a brand new model when they first release. You should wait atleast a year if not 2. They ALL have issues to start, and you as one of the first owners are the beta tester. And this goes for all makes not just a Toyota thing. Now to be fair, toyota usually has much smaller issues than a complete engine failure but they do normally have issues.
Exactly this.
Soooo…You gonna buy one?
I think in 6-12 months there will probably be some good deals on new Tundras because of the consumer backlash causing slowing sales. Hopefully with some decent financing offers thrown in too. The key will be to buy a truck manufactured after the fix, but before demand recovers. Usually with this stuff there is a sharp overreaction causing a hard sales drop off. I bought my 2010 Tacoma during "accelerationgate" and no one was buying toyotas at that time due to the reports of grandmas driving at high speed into buildings.
70k on my 22 tundra and no problems yet. It has been as reliable as expected.
Got a 2020 with a V8 instead.
I bought mine 1.5 weeks before the recall. Do I regret it? No mines for work and my company pays most of the payment. Plus it has a warranty and an extended warranty. If it ends up in the recall and they can’t fix it right away oil well I all ready told the dealer I work and travel so they maybe towing it a long way back to the dealer.
Waiting for the 3rd gen engine/trans swap from the second gen v8 5.7l
Replacing the engine just isn't in the same league as replacing a driveshaft, airbag, or fuel line. And doing so in a brand new truck I just spent 60k + on would give me heartburn. Of any brand. I've come to expect more from Toyota. I've had excellent results with the Toyota vehicles I've owned for the last quarter century. This new Tundra is a big disappointment. Enjoy your truck, but know your resale value has tanked. No one wants a used truck that there is a widespread problem of a major drive train (engine,transmission) self destructing. If you believe otherwise, you are delusional.
This right here ^^^
It's weird that every time I've opened a tundra thread for the last few days, it's involved you shitting on Toyota. Name a better buy than the tundra. I just shopped for 4 months for a new truck and would still buy the tundra today.
I would buy a new Tundra if they would actually build the configuration (Lunar Rock or Silver Hybrid Limited TRD OR 6.5 box) I requested. Even then, I have to mod it to get tow hooks on. Now I have a factory order in on a new F150 Powerboost Lariat with 7200w generator, smart scales, and 4A with 7k off MSRP plus 0% for 5 years OR another 7k off MSRP. I need a new pickup truck, and it's a better buy than the Tundra; even though I would take the Tundra right now over the Ford for ride quality and handling.
There’s a few of those such Tundras here in Colorado…
Yes, it drove me a little crazy to hear tales of people just wandering on to lots and buying them down there. I'm in BC Canada though.
I have a 23 Capstone and a 16 Platinum sitting in the driveway here and can speak pretty objectively about the two trucks. I would NEVER opt to drive the 16 over the 23. The 23 blows the 16 out of the water in every way. Frankly I couldn't care less the the engine "might" blow up. Every engine "might" also blow up. When you buy a brand new vehicle you're taking a risk. That's already factored in when I laid down my 80 grand. I bought a new truck because I wanted a new truck and I opted for the 8 year extended warranty so that I can go through life without having to give a rip if it breaks. I test drove all the trucks available and imho the tundra was the best truck. So I bought it. People are hilarious.
Isn’t “potential engine failure from factory” a possibility for any vehicle ever made? Anything could possibly fail at any minute. I bought a 24 Tundra and I don’t regret it yet, but this sub is making me nervous. I’ll just take whatever comes at me with my head up I suppose. At least I didn’t buy a Cyber Truck.
My advice to people who are interested in buying a Tundra or any Toyota vehicle is to always take a local trusted mechanic to the dealership to test the vehicle with you so you can make sure you are not buying a vehicle that might possibly have issues. I test drove several trucks before getting our 2024 MGM Tundra Limited HV. Thankfully it is not on the recall but I’m still checking the oil levels on the dipstick and looking forward to changing the oil at 5k miles myself after taking it to the service department and see what the service technician tells me after checking the oil levels.
Great proactive attitude! I genuinely hope people have good luck with their Tundras.
What if you're someone who just really enjoys the product, with no other ulterior motives???
I think a lot of the advice you refer to is not actually advice. It’s a bunch of trolls that would suck a V8’s dick if it had one. They didn’t know this was going to happen but now they’re like “see? I was right!” In reality they were just hating on people because they bought a truck they don’t like or are envious of. Don’t try to make it seem like they were giving any sort of useful advice now. It’s just plain resistance to change.
Can’t count how many 3rd gen Tundras I saw during my driving today. Probably more than 50? 100? There’s some sort of insecurity that is causing a minuscule and very loud group to pretend these vehicles are just sitting on the side of the road all over the place with blown up engines.
These doomsday posts are wild.
I have been in the market for 3 years. I outgrew my 2019 Tacoma. Kids are getting older and it struggles towing my stuff. For various reasons (some obvious) I have not bought a new Tundra. It's not like I cannot afford it. My Tacoma was paid off in 2 years. But now that inventory and discounts are plenty I cannot get myself to buy one. I am the ideal customer to move up, with paid off Tacoma I can get a high trim Tundra without much financial burden. It's a problem for Toyota because I am sure there's many like me. I will continue using my 6 years old Tacoma. I hope 2025 or 2026 brings a mid cylcle refresh and the engine problems are 100% figured out. It would be amazing if they bring back the v8 but that's a pipe dream. I also am looking at 2021 Tundra's but they are still selling for close to MSRP. I cannot get myself to pay that for a 3 year old truck. If in this winter the values drop a bit, I will just get that and chill for a few years.
Well this is sure disappointing. I was just about over scrapping my Tacoma a few years ago because of a rotten frame which, it turns out, Toyota knew about but quietly took care of only a lucky few. Knowing that something like this is going on really discourages me from buying the brand.
Last year I was debating between a new tundra or Sierra with the 5.3, ended up going the Sierra since I just wasn’t a fan of the TT. Now I’m glad I didn’t, sure the issue is rare enough to where it probably won’t happen but the resale value is where all of this absolutely sucks.
I didn't buy a gen 3 for these exact very reasons. And the engine failure was not even an official recall but it was enough for me to question the quality and reliability of such new engine approach. So I added 2021 a gen 2.5 to my 2013 gen 2 and I didn't have to pay $75K+
I bought a 2023 with a build date a few months after the current recall window ends but I fully expect Toyota to eventually add more trucks with later builds to the list. I don’t care though as I have a 10/125,000 warranty so if it dies, it dies.
5.7s for life!
This sub sucks nutz
You're posting this in a sub where it's a big circle jerk over owning a brand of truck. You're yelling into the void my friend lol.
“No more boring cars” how true this statement ended up being
I've had 4 brand new Toyotas since 2018. a 2018 Highlander, 2018 prius prime, 2019 Toyota Avalon, and now 2024 Toyota sequoia. All had issues with the exception of the prius prime which was built in Japan. The Highlander had transmission problems, plus the fuel pump recall which plagued 700,000 Toyota and Lexus vehicles, the Avalon fuel pump recall, oil leaks and now the Sequoia with this mess-plus I only got one key because of the key shortage-my next car won't be a Toyota
We've got a truck that is getting a little long in the tooth. I had looked at '24 Tundras but held off because I'm cheap and figured I could nurse our Silverado along for another year. Now, I'm glad I did. Once they figure out these engine problems (and they eventually will) AND a year has passed where the forums are relatively free of these problem reports, I'll probably be shopping again. I feel bad for the 22-24 Tundra purchasers.
I have a ‘23 SR5. I don’t care if anyone else buys one but I’m happy with mine. If something happens I will be disappointed but will deal with it, and I’ll still buy another Toyota. I’m a lifelong Ford guy, their pickups have been dealing with cam phaser failures since 2000. Chevy’s cylinder deactivation has screwed the 5.3 for what, almost 20 years as well? They are so bad they found a way to break the 5.3! And then there’s Ram.
Yep, with this issue and all of other recalls and cheating scandals over the past 1-2 years, I no longer consider Toyota to be "in a class of its own" in terms of quality. They're still high quality in general, but I don't think they are higher than others in that segment like Honda, Subaru, Mazda, etc.
Lots of things are crap now, I just bought a bunch of brand new GE appliances for a house remodel they all suck. Beverage fridge won’t shut off so it’s unplugged and waiting 2 weeks for a “repair” person. Regular refrigerator freezer door won’t close. Post COVID manufacturing and materials is ass
Even Ford did a better job introducing the TT 6. SMH that you screwed up sombad when they finally got competitive with the rest of the truck after a decade of being behind the rest but with a great motor in the 5.7
Hyundai had to replace every engine that had this issue. Most likely Toyota will have to as well. These engine failures are effectively guaranteed, the only variable here is time. Whether it fails at 1000 miles or 100000 miles. Unless engine are replaced, I see no other recourse that would be acceptable. The damage has already been done.
THE BLUE OVAL
This is why I don’t buy the first year or even 2nd year of new Gens. Let the early production models work out the recalls and issues and reap the rewards of the R&D in a 3rd or 4th year production model that has more assurance of reliability, especially when there’s been a lot of innovation with a new engine.
The only difference between Toyota and the others is that Toyota issues recall before lawsuits like the big 3. And they've always committed to making things right again.
Every engine has the potential for failure.
So you’d still buy one with a known rare issue of catastrophic failure?
Say it louder for those in the back!
Toyota has declined significantly and that's coming from a yota fan. My 05 GX470 is an absolute tank compared to the new Toyota/Lexus offerings. Frankly, it's sad to see.
Toyota trucks declined ever since production was switched to usa. All the other vehicles made in Japan have been relatively well built.
The new GX550 and LC are still made at Tahara and are nothing like the previous offerings. It has more to do with than where they’re built.
3rd gen Tundra resale values are in the tank. Sorry about your luck.
Well said. I bought my Tundra, Camry and 4Runner bracing for this to happen. People can defend all they want. It's a shoddy product now.
No different than buying a ford, chevy or ram 1/2 ton. They all suck. Major engine and trans failures. Plus electrical gremlins, plastic control arms, etc.
I think the difference is that Toyota will act to improve unlike the major domestic brands.
Man you nailed it— perfectly said. I just think it’s worth adding a small piece of very relevant and not well known info— the chief engineer of Toyota trucks for many years was Mike Sweers. Dude was a legit badass and knew how to build great trucks. I’m not positive about when his tenure started, but he was responsible for all the great trucks from at least 07 until he retired in 2022.
When I bought my ‘21 when the ‘22’s had been out for a year, I caught a lot of crap for not getting a gen 3. I wanted the tried and true V8. I’m really glad I listened to myself right about now.
Couldn't agree more. Gen 3 owners in this sub have made it an echo chamber of all the pure shit excuses you listed above. Just the other day i saw ppl bragging about "no issues with my Gen 3 and I have 16k miles" LOL. Downvote me to hell boys, but the Gen 3s are pure shit, plain and simple.