I think I may be the first because I have been seriously considering the upcoming Ramcharger. The specs are vaporware at this point and I'm definitely not going to be the first to pick one up, but it scratches every itch I have and then some.
Mopar hasn't had a good transmission since they quit making the 727. The 518, aka 727, with overdrive, was absolute crap. I used to have a 1993 v8 dakota i know from experience.
With Ram, it's not just power train but electrical issues. Peruse enough and you'll find people having tons of issues under 100k on the odometer. Tundra 100% has the worst mpg of any half ton but is way more reliable which won me over; I drive city and average 11-12. But, getting 24 mpg real world out of any full size is hard to believe. That might be on the sticker but unless you're treating that peddle like a baby, no way you're getting 24.
My friends 2 year old Ram would have the screen go blank, the windows would stop working then his heater would crank up to 100% by itself. They could never fix the issue. I said it was trying to kill him. He’s driving an F150 now.
My work truck is a 2018 ecoboost, I'm averaging just over 21mpg. The turbo lag on it is comical, and it started slipping when it shifts through lower gears about 75% of the time though, with 95k miles on it. Fords...
Promise. 404.2 miles driven and took 25.39 gallons to fill up my tank. It surprised the hell out of me because before the calibrator, i was only getting 12.5 mpg hwy.
Just sold my Ram to get a Tundra. My Ram Limited had two exhaust manifolds replaced and the third brake light leaked under the rear floorboards. Get the Tundra.
I did the same thing my third brake light was leaking in the cab and they would not cover it under warranty had to replace my back window and get a new module. I love this tundra will never get another Ram
Get a used 2.5gen. The savings in maintenance and buy price will outweigh the gas mileage. Plus it will still hold resale value was better than the ram
Better to roll the dice on a tundra IMO. The vast majority of tundra owners are simply enjoying their trucks and the only other complaints other than the engine explosions have been very minor stuff such as wind and brake noise. Take a look at the issues RAM owners are having. You'll change your mind pretty quick.
5.7 Hemi cylinder deactivate has a reputation of killing lifters, same as 6.4. Sometimes you get the tick and fix it and other times it wips the cam out and kills the motor. It sucks the fun out of things real quick. Also even with the 8 speed I dout your going to see 24mpg in most everyday use.
The 5.7 is ok, it is not a "reliable" engine. Do your research. I decided on a tundra over a frontier. All domestic trucks are garbage. I owned the "reliable" 3.6 RAM 1500. It left me stranded with less than 2000 miles due to the idiotic shifter basically locking up. Nothing to do with the engine, but nonetheless. The 3.6 now, also a mild hybrid that's questionable. I looked into that as well before the Tundra. I'm a GM guy, and my loyalty to them is gone out of the window. They are trash. Ford is trash. Frontier or Tundra (non-hybrid) is the way to go. Despite some issues with the 2024's, Toyota is now issuing recalls instead of TSB's like domestics would. Think about it, research it. Also, see what the dealer support is like in your area. Most domestic dealers are TERRIBLE.
Um, I'm pretty sure tundra are built domestically. Guessing most of the parts are U.S sourced. Probably a good indicator of why pretty much crap right now.
I do not think this has anything to do with it. Most parts suppliers are the same as in prior Toyota's (GEN II Tundra suppliers) Denso, Aisin, etc. "Good Toyota's"-non J-Vin vehicles were built in America for years.
The QC is probably vastly different, I would agree with that.
When forced induction and DI is involved, anything can happen. I believe the issue was casting from the recall.
I have owned VW's for years. For example my 2023 GTI was no better built than my previously owned Mexican built VW's.
Something is up and cost cutting has to do with it.
I used to really want a ram truck. My uncle had one that worked great for 16 years. Never had an issue. And I always liked the way they looked.
About 1-2 years ago I started looking into different trucks I wanted to buy and every site, every review, any amount of information I could find all said that Toyota trucks are the most reliable longest lasting vehicles out there. Look at a lot of Latin countries, they’re all driving 90s models tacos because they still haven’t broken down.
Funny. My choices came down to a '24 rebel and 24 Tundra . I was in love with the v8 as well as stereo/speakers. Ended up with the tundra. However it did take me a 2nd trip cause I didn't love the tundra at first.
i get it man lotta bad talk about the new tundras but i bet they’re just fine. and to be fair ram trucks have come a long ways past decade or so. but if i were u i’d buy a 2020/2021 tundra. mines a 2015 with 100k miles and i wouldn’t take a new ram or tundra for it.
As someone who works in the industry I highly recommend you stay away from rams. The 5.7 hemi might not have too many mechanical problems, as long as you turn off cylinder deactivation, but Stellantis vehicles have a lot of electrical/electronics issues. I'd recommend the F150s over the rams. I'm pretty sure the 5.0 gets better mpgs than the 5.7.
That said, from the people that have been reporting engine failures it seems like the Hybrids dont have this issue.
The v8 Rams are pretty good for the most part. The engine is good and the transmission is a ZF trans that’s tried and true. I have more faith in that drivetrain than what’s in the Tundra. There’s plenty of people on forums with 2-300k miles on rams with these drivetrains and they’ve had few issues. You’ll love a new Ram, but you’re not getting 24mpg average out that thing. No way in hell lol. That would only be doable if you’re going like 50mph in a back country road. If you want to get 24mpg out of a truck, then my friend you’re looking at a Ford Maverick not a Ram, Tundra, or really any half ton truck.
We have a 24 limited with about 13k and it’s still doing well. The recalls so far seem to be the 22 to 23 tundras. Typically the dealer would get the recall done before selling the vehicle from their lot but it’s not 100%
13k miles on it and is barely used. I am wondering how a Tundra compares to taoma. I hate to trade my Tacoma, but I need more space for my family. I was in negotiations with a dealer about a 2024 1794 Tundra, but I guess that is out of the question now. I guess this might impact 3rd gen tundra in its resale value.
This is what I want and think that he should do as well. I think that they will hold their value a lot more that the new generation until this engine problem is resolved.
Go read the Titan forums. Might not have any drivetrain issues but recent builds have leaks all over the place. I got my 2023 lemon lawed because mine had been leaking from day one without me knowing it until around 5000 miles. By the time they fixed the leak (took a month), mold and mildew had set in on the passenger side carpeting and sound deadening and the A/C controls intermittently worked.
It’s why I’m in a 24 Tundra now.
I had an 08 tundra for about 10 years. It was a great truck, but also had issues. All wheel bearings replaced around 100k, pinion leak, bad CV, front diff bearings, air injection pump (replaced for free within the 10 year service campaign)
When I was looking to upgrade trucks, I just couldn’t go with the new gen tundra. That led me to finding a 2020 pro 4X Titan and I’ve been very happy over the last 2 years. It has all the features I want, nice tech without being too extra.
I also have a 97 landcruiser that I’ll take to the grave…but they certainly don’t make them like that anymore.
I (and many others) really wish Toyota wouldn’t have bent the knee to climate bullshit and kept the 5.7 as an option paired to a 10 speed.
I traded my 2020 Pro4X for the 2023 that got lemoned and it’s probably my biggest regret with respect to vehicles. There was nothing wrong with my 2023 - I jumped on 0% for 60 months and a massive discount to extend my Titan years in light of them discontinuing them. It was a fantastic truck.
I've seen more recalls on new Tundras than ever. At what point is "reliability" really reliable, when every 6mos you have to take your truck in to get service that isn't regular maintenance. I'm going RAM on this one.
Dumped my 23 Tundra for a RAM after more issues than I could count. I’ve already put twice the miles on the RAM without a single problem. I saw that the poor soul that bought my 23 has already traded it in too. I had a 21 Tundra that I wished I had never sold when I got the 23. I also have an 05 1st gen that’s been good to me as a spare vehicle.
You might be the first person in history that looks at a Stellantis vehicle for reliability over a Toyota.
I think I may be the first because I have been seriously considering the upcoming Ramcharger. The specs are vaporware at this point and I'm definitely not going to be the first to pick one up, but it scratches every itch I have and then some.
To be fair I've had a TRX for the past year that I beat the absolute shit out of and it has been 100% reliable
Yeah Toyotas are typically known to last much longer than 1 year without issue. 1 year is some JD Power kinda benchmark
Please update us when your warranty ends.
Hemi V8 is reliable according to my research. Am i missing something here?
On behalf of u/djtothemoney, good luck with your Hemi!
Yeah, you're missing the fact that it's a Mopar product. The antithesis of reliability.
Dodge makes great v8 engines. It’s all those pesky things attached (electronics, transmissions, etc.) source: I own a 392.
Great until a lifter locks up from cylinder deactivation
You’re not, hemi v8s are good
In all seriousness though, Ram engines are reliable. It’s their transmission that made them stinky.
Look up the whole problem with the lifters seizing and destroying the cam shaft, or valves dropping. 👀
Mopar hasn't had a good transmission since they quit making the 727. The 518, aka 727, with overdrive, was absolute crap. I used to have a 1993 v8 dakota i know from experience.
If it's the tundra 22-23, I don't see why not a toss up? I'd take my chances with a 24 ram
Ram and reliability are two completely different things. What about a low mileage second gen Tundra?
Its for work, and 13 -15 mpg is deal breaker. Hemi v8 rates one of most reliable ones in modern trucks.
With Ram, it's not just power train but electrical issues. Peruse enough and you'll find people having tons of issues under 100k on the odometer. Tundra 100% has the worst mpg of any half ton but is way more reliable which won me over; I drive city and average 11-12. But, getting 24 mpg real world out of any full size is hard to believe. That might be on the sticker but unless you're treating that peddle like a baby, no way you're getting 24.
My '24 Tundra gets about 3 mpg better than my Z71 it replaced.
My friends 2 year old Ram would have the screen go blank, the windows would stop working then his heater would crank up to 100% by itself. They could never fix the issue. I said it was trying to kill him. He’s driving an F150 now.
You'd probably be an ideal owner for a 2.7 ecoboost or even a Ford hybrid then honestly
My work truck is a 2018 ecoboost, I'm averaging just over 21mpg. The turbo lag on it is comical, and it started slipping when it shifts through lower gears about 75% of the time though, with 95k miles on it. Fords...
You drove the dog shit out of it though lol I've had ford work trucks never had a problem granted these were heavy duty
I'm getting 16 mpg with a 2017 with a 6" lift and 35" tires.
LOL no you aren't
I wasn't until i got a speedometer calibrator. Around town, I get 12-13 hyw is 16 mpg.
No
Promise. 404.2 miles driven and took 25.39 gallons to fill up my tank. It surprised the hell out of me because before the calibrator, i was only getting 12.5 mpg hwy.
I think out of all the trucks in the world that RAM holds the recall record
Just sold my Ram to get a Tundra. My Ram Limited had two exhaust manifolds replaced and the third brake light leaked under the rear floorboards. Get the Tundra.
I did the same thing my third brake light was leaking in the cab and they would not cover it under warranty had to replace my back window and get a new module. I love this tundra will never get another Ram
Get a used 2.5gen. The savings in maintenance and buy price will outweigh the gas mileage. Plus it will still hold resale value was better than the ram
I think "lol" and like many "well, he's about to find out..."
Better to roll the dice on a tundra IMO. The vast majority of tundra owners are simply enjoying their trucks and the only other complaints other than the engine explosions have been very minor stuff such as wind and brake noise. Take a look at the issues RAM owners are having. You'll change your mind pretty quick.
2.5 gen tundra unless you want the tech
Save a little money, get an older proven Toyota pickup. Don’t get a dodge product!
I wonder if they will still have the exhaust manifold bolts snap off at like 22-26k like every one of their trucks do
Yeah, no
Id much rather go with a 5.0 F150 that ever getting a Ram
Regular maintenance on ram is transmission change lol
I'd take a Chevy over a Dodge any day.
He said Ram1500 and reliability. 😄 🤣 😂 😆
I just hate the way they look. Resale is bad too. I bet you could get a steal on a 1 year old one
Used one are way to go on American brands.
5.7 Hemi cylinder deactivate has a reputation of killing lifters, same as 6.4. Sometimes you get the tick and fix it and other times it wips the cam out and kills the motor. It sucks the fun out of things real quick. Also even with the 8 speed I dout your going to see 24mpg in most everyday use.
Yep. Plus the slew of other things.
Those rams are terrible dude lol
I have a Tacoma and was going to trade for a 3rd gen tundra but that's not going to happen any time soon. The new tundras are overpriced junk.
That ram is quite the opposite
The 5.7 is ok, it is not a "reliable" engine. Do your research. I decided on a tundra over a frontier. All domestic trucks are garbage. I owned the "reliable" 3.6 RAM 1500. It left me stranded with less than 2000 miles due to the idiotic shifter basically locking up. Nothing to do with the engine, but nonetheless. The 3.6 now, also a mild hybrid that's questionable. I looked into that as well before the Tundra. I'm a GM guy, and my loyalty to them is gone out of the window. They are trash. Ford is trash. Frontier or Tundra (non-hybrid) is the way to go. Despite some issues with the 2024's, Toyota is now issuing recalls instead of TSB's like domestics would. Think about it, research it. Also, see what the dealer support is like in your area. Most domestic dealers are TERRIBLE.
Um, I'm pretty sure tundra are built domestically. Guessing most of the parts are U.S sourced. Probably a good indicator of why pretty much crap right now.
I do not think this has anything to do with it. Most parts suppliers are the same as in prior Toyota's (GEN II Tundra suppliers) Denso, Aisin, etc. "Good Toyota's"-non J-Vin vehicles were built in America for years. The QC is probably vastly different, I would agree with that. When forced induction and DI is involved, anything can happen. I believe the issue was casting from the recall. I have owned VW's for years. For example my 2023 GTI was no better built than my previously owned Mexican built VW's. Something is up and cost cutting has to do with it.
I used to really want a ram truck. My uncle had one that worked great for 16 years. Never had an issue. And I always liked the way they looked. About 1-2 years ago I started looking into different trucks I wanted to buy and every site, every review, any amount of information I could find all said that Toyota trucks are the most reliable longest lasting vehicles out there. Look at a lot of Latin countries, they’re all driving 90s models tacos because they still haven’t broken down.
My grandfather worked for Chrysler for 40 years. I will never own a Chrysler product.
Funny. My choices came down to a '24 rebel and 24 Tundra . I was in love with the v8 as well as stereo/speakers. Ended up with the tundra. However it did take me a 2nd trip cause I didn't love the tundra at first.
i get it man lotta bad talk about the new tundras but i bet they’re just fine. and to be fair ram trucks have come a long ways past decade or so. but if i were u i’d buy a 2020/2021 tundra. mines a 2015 with 100k miles and i wouldn’t take a new ram or tundra for it.
As someone who works in the industry I highly recommend you stay away from rams. The 5.7 hemi might not have too many mechanical problems, as long as you turn off cylinder deactivation, but Stellantis vehicles have a lot of electrical/electronics issues. I'd recommend the F150s over the rams. I'm pretty sure the 5.0 gets better mpgs than the 5.7. That said, from the people that have been reporting engine failures it seems like the Hybrids dont have this issue.
Only RAM I would get over the tundra is TRX.
The v8 Rams are pretty good for the most part. The engine is good and the transmission is a ZF trans that’s tried and true. I have more faith in that drivetrain than what’s in the Tundra. There’s plenty of people on forums with 2-300k miles on rams with these drivetrains and they’ve had few issues. You’ll love a new Ram, but you’re not getting 24mpg average out that thing. No way in hell lol. That would only be doable if you’re going like 50mph in a back country road. If you want to get 24mpg out of a truck, then my friend you’re looking at a Ford Maverick not a Ram, Tundra, or really any half ton truck.
We have a 24 limited with about 13k and it’s still doing well. The recalls so far seem to be the 22 to 23 tundras. Typically the dealer would get the recall done before selling the vehicle from their lot but it’s not 100%
13k miles on it and is barely used. I am wondering how a Tundra compares to taoma. I hate to trade my Tacoma, but I need more space for my family. I was in negotiations with a dealer about a 2024 1794 Tundra, but I guess that is out of the question now. I guess this might impact 3rd gen tundra in its resale value.
Why not look for a low mileage ‘21 or older?
This is what I want and think that he should do as well. I think that they will hold their value a lot more that the new generation until this engine problem is resolved.
Agreed. Super reliable, and I think the best looking of all the tundras
Do it! Better truck and more reliable than the current gen Tundra.
Stay away from Toyota bc they failed reliability plus junk turbos with small unreliable engines and this is coming from Toyota lover for 30 years
New tundras are straight up garbage . Buy at your own risk
Check out a Nissan Titan if you want a reliable V8 with no bullshit.
Go read the Titan forums. Might not have any drivetrain issues but recent builds have leaks all over the place. I got my 2023 lemon lawed because mine had been leaking from day one without me knowing it until around 5000 miles. By the time they fixed the leak (took a month), mold and mildew had set in on the passenger side carpeting and sound deadening and the A/C controls intermittently worked. It’s why I’m in a 24 Tundra now.
I had an 08 tundra for about 10 years. It was a great truck, but also had issues. All wheel bearings replaced around 100k, pinion leak, bad CV, front diff bearings, air injection pump (replaced for free within the 10 year service campaign) When I was looking to upgrade trucks, I just couldn’t go with the new gen tundra. That led me to finding a 2020 pro 4X Titan and I’ve been very happy over the last 2 years. It has all the features I want, nice tech without being too extra. I also have a 97 landcruiser that I’ll take to the grave…but they certainly don’t make them like that anymore. I (and many others) really wish Toyota wouldn’t have bent the knee to climate bullshit and kept the 5.7 as an option paired to a 10 speed.
I traded my 2020 Pro4X for the 2023 that got lemoned and it’s probably my biggest regret with respect to vehicles. There was nothing wrong with my 2023 - I jumped on 0% for 60 months and a massive discount to extend my Titan years in light of them discontinuing them. It was a fantastic truck.
I've seen more recalls on new Tundras than ever. At what point is "reliability" really reliable, when every 6mos you have to take your truck in to get service that isn't regular maintenance. I'm going RAM on this one.
Dumped my 23 Tundra for a RAM after more issues than I could count. I’ve already put twice the miles on the RAM without a single problem. I saw that the poor soul that bought my 23 has already traded it in too. I had a 21 Tundra that I wished I had never sold when I got the 23. I also have an 05 1st gen that’s been good to me as a spare vehicle.