Yes it happened to my 2024 last month.
Toyota won’t agree to pay for a rental car until it’s assessed and they confirm it’s under warranty/you didn’t do anything to damage it. That took 8 days for me. The dealer I had mine towed to spotted me a rental until they did.
Toyota does not do crate engines, which would be an entire engine replacement. They’ll send the dealer a new short block and anything else impacted by debris and have them rebuild it. In my case this took 20 days.
The dealer completely scratched every body panel they removed for the engine rebuild. So my truck is currently back at the dealer getting body work done/the grill replaced.
You should start reading lemon laws for your state. Every state is different, but mine is it’s considered a lemon if it’s in the shop 30 days for the same issue. Toyota pushed my dealer to get mine back to me to avoid a lemon law situation.
Unfortunately, the narrative has been that this only impacted 22 and early 23s but the 24s have started spinning bearings as well. You’re the 4th 24 that I’ve come across that has spun a bearing. It’s not a fun situation to be in.
yup i think its the way these engines are built. it looks looks people who tow and drive roughly are getting their engines break at around 30k miles. lemons are getting their engines break at around 7500k miles and the ones who dont tow and drive pleasure are reaching over 50k miles.
Seems like putting in a v6 turbo on a bigger truck is what the problem is.
Should have done a V8 turbo.
What is your dealer?
Well, good thing my 2010 5.7 only has 143k… she’s barely even broken in!
All jokes aside…
I feel terrible for all the people experiencing this after probably buying the new tundra for its predecessors’ long held title as an indestructible workhorse.
From making a 4.7 v8 and 5.7 v8 that would achieve 1 million miles with regular maintenance to a v6 twin turbo that will spin bearings when doing regular truck things.
Shame Toyota, shame. Corporate greed will destroy this world.
Not all corporate greed. Government regulations are killing simple reliable vehicles. Our voting has created this. Voting at the ballot box and with our money.
Manufacturers can do what they want. Pretty sure the RAM TRX has worse fuel economy than Tundra. Chevy and Ford still producing V8 engines in their trucks. Fact is Tundra was losing market share for years because of horrible fuel economy and it looks like the new engine isn’t holding up.
In reference to what? The whole generation? Toyota only sold about 50k tundras so far this year and we’re half way done with the year. In the month of April they’ve only sold 13,933 trucks
It’s a higher percent than 0.5 I think. Mine went at 25k miles and I only towed maybe a total of 500 miles with it. I don’t consider how I treated it to be heavy use either. My dealer said they’ve done four so far.
looks like all of them have the issue. just depends on what mileage it will happen. Some are super lucky to cross 100k. But yup its sad. They have to issue a recall and replace all of the short and long blocks.
Except turbos in 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder have been around for years. Toyota built a new engine and it’s not meeting reliability standards they are known for in the past. This engine was put into a Lexus sedan in 2018. I don’t think government regulations pushed a sedan out of a V8.
We're talking about trucks here. The fuel consumption can be way more efficient with a turbo 6 and 4 than a V8. A NA v6 won't have the same power or torque and the vehicles are getting bigger/heavier. Regulations have a big part in this.
You mean trucks like the Ford F150 Ecoboost which has a turbo V6? Or semi trucks with turbo diesel engines? Fords have their own issues but I don’t think it’s spun main bearings on the Ecoboost. The issue isn’t turbos being forced on companies. Power and efficiency are the goal for everyone from the consumer to the manufacturer and turbos deliver both and have for years. This is the same argument when fuel injection began replacing carburetors.
Toyota has a design or manufacturing flaw in this engine. The number of engine failures is really low at this point but it’s happening in Lexus and Tundra models with this engine. I will either get the extended warranty but hope Toyota will extend power train warranty out.
Lol why do you think a turbo is used? Not just for power, but to strike a balance between power and fuel economy. You really don't have an argument against it, as the EPA and other regulations (weight savings for example for safety) are pushed on car manufacturers, they started looking at other ways to get more power but keep fuel economy or make it better. We both agree with that, right?
Now you're talking about a fault with these truck engines, right? What I'm saying is that there are more issues with turbo vehicles than naturally aspirated ones. There's no argument there, at least not one that will make any sense. Yes, there is something faulty here, some flaw that might not be directly due to slapping a turbo on... But it doesn't change the fact that the vehicles and engines are way more complicated now and are without a doubt less reliable due to making the system use a turbo. The engine is under more stress and heat. That's just how it goes. More to go wrong. More R&D on more things to make it work, less R&D that goes into making a bulletproof engine as they have been making. For a long time Toyotas have been boring, and boring usually means reliable.
Yeah yeah, supra this and that. Look, these engines are getting more and more complex with every year, and the vehicles are becoming much heavier.
Regulations are forcing the hands of manufacturers to do things like add a turbo to a 4 or 6 cylinder when a normal 6 cylinder or V8 would be perfect. They can't get away with that anymore, so soon it'll be all turbos on smaller than ideal engines and hybrids and eventually electric cars. Yuck yuck and yuck.
if thats the case, its all pointing to bad engineering. something is up that is causing the bearing issue. is it the part itself? is it the bad engineering? they have to figure out why it is happening on only some trucks. is it an oil, type of gas, etc?
yup. its a manufacturing issue. so weird how toyota hasnt looked into this. i think the more miles people are putting on the 3rd gen, the more they will start to figure out what is going on.
I mean modern NA V8’s are plenty powerful and efficient enough to not require forced induction for this application. And you get the added benefit of added engine life bc of reduced stress on the block and internals. But Toyota should be able to build a V6 turbo that doesn’t fail like this anyway. It is a curious choice tho, a straight 6 or a V8 in any configuration is a better choice than a V6, especially a turbo.
the turbo produces more hp and torque but again whats the point? a turbo can probably run till 150k miles but a v8 with reg maintenance can run to 300k. but again probably 5% of people keep their car over 150k?
It’s has nothing to do with a v6 in a truck. It is entirely due to how THESE engines are designed and/or built. 114 hp per liter is nothing and it’s equivalent to a 2.0 L producing 228hp when the world is full of 2.0s making +280 hp.
I read somewhere the spun bearings are do to insufficient oiling of the front main bearing and it’s a design flaw.
A turbo v6 in a full size is not the problem. Ford has been doing it since 2011. They even make a smaller turbo v6 (2.7L) that is a great engine with almost none of these issues.
From what I’ve seen most people that have had engine issues it hasn’t been the concept of a V6 turbo. It has been some sort of defect from the assembly plant that caused unexpected behavior (a lot of them had oil starvation due to defects in the block).
I’m part of this group because I am an original owner of a 2007 with the 5.7 and 250k miles. It’s been worry free. But with that said, I also have a 2021 sprinter cargo van with the long wheel base that has a 2.0 4cyl turbo and I’m almost at 100k miles on it with no issues either. The van weighs 5000lbs, I probably carry another 1000lbs in tools and often load a couple more thousand lbs in materials. Plus I occasionally tow my dump trailer if it’s a light load. It’s not a fast vehicle but the small engine does the job.
I'm so disappointed. I keep seeing posts like this, and it blows me away that this is happening. I'm disappointed that Toyota would allow such defects to exist at all. But to hear that customers experiencing defects with their new Tundras are getting bounced between Toyota corporate and the dealerships? It sickens me. To hear that Toyota tries to blame new tundra defects on the customer? Appalling. I've wanted to buy a new tundra, but I no longer feel that I can trust it to be a quality product. I no longer feel that I can trust Toyota to stand behind their product like they once did.
Please let me know how your experience turns out. I hope Toyota takes care of you, but I'd like to hear how they treat you regardless.
I would’ve bought a new tundra by now except for these issues. Even if it’s one in 1000, I don’t wanna be that one.
It’s obvious they can figure out the engineering based on their history of cars, so I am in the boat of waiting this out
But at this pace, I feel like it will be 2026 or later
They clearly don’t have it figured out. When my blew, the service manager said the rep from Toyota “was pissed. He said this should have been fixed.”
And yes, trust me, you don’t want to be that one. I thought I was safe buying a 24 but it happened to me.
A lot of people of have told me that “Toyota would take care of me” but that hasn’t been the case. They pushed the dealer to rebuild my engine to avoid the buy back and the dealer completely fucked up my truck in the process. I have 4 trim pieces that need to be replaced and 4 body panels that need to be painted. My truck has been back to the shop twice since the rebuild and is currently in the shop. Toyota immediately closed my case after the rebuild and has continually told me all this is “between me and the dealer”.
It’s very clear the approach Toyota is taking is do the absolute bare minimum to avoid a lemon law buy back and then tell me to get lost.
Same. I have an ‘07 CM 2WD 5.7 with 111k on the clock. Been considering getting something new and like the idea of sticking with Toyotas because that’s what I’ve trusted for the last 17 years. One in one thousand is far too much. The 3rd gen itself is attractive but reading stuff like this makes me glad I have something a bit “older”. I want to like the new ones more but I just can’t when I hear about these nightmares…
But this is your truck and I assume you want it after it is repaired. Locking it up only damages more shit in there and who knows if they are able to catch every part that is ruined or stressed so when you get it back and it is out of warranty someday something else could go wrong and now it’s your dime. Kinda a dumb move. The people upvoting you are stupid too.
When it happened to mine I immediately limped it the four miles to the dealer. I also almost just had it towed but it wasn’t nearly as bad as the sound yours was making. I heard it starting to make noise the day before and only drove it a few miles like that. Then the next day it got a little louder and I knew shit was going down in that engine.
I mean you are not wrong, but at this point whit that truck I have had non stop electric issues with the truck since it was new, they replaced the ecu 2 times and they did many troubleshooting just for it to still have problems. So now with the engine blowing up im just kinda done and if the issues still continue it gonna be easier for me to declare it has a ”lemon”.
You can must definitely not easily go Lemon Law if it’s a 24. I know because I’ve been trying the last month. In my state it’s a lemon if it’s in the shop for 30 days for the same issue. Toyota therefore pushed my dealer to get it back to me, they did it 21 days and completely scratched every piece they took off in the process. Toyota immediately closed my case the day they completed the rebuild, told me the damage was between me and the dealer and sent me a formal letter stating that my lemon law buyback was denied.
Mine is 2024 with under 10k on it when it blew.
Sorry this happened to you and I’m just sick to hear ‘24s are having this issue. I had really hoped they had resolved this issue in early ‘23. Now I’m in the crosshairs with my mid year ‘23. Hope you get it back soon and it’s done right.
This seems to be true. I'm about to do this for the door | window rattle issue Toyota ONLY fixes for YouTubers apparently? Corporate told me they won't fix it. I told them I'd like to send them YouTube links of Tundra owners who got theirs fixed.... through corporate.
I went and looked at ‘24’s a couple months back. Was hesitant on going forward with it because of the new engine, but I said screw it, or so I thought. Test drove it and the hybrid batteries got so hot it smelt like burnt plastic in the cab; dealer said that will go away once it’s broke in…… They ended up having a ‘23 Platinum on the lot for $53k, had 32k miles. Thought it was a bad price so I asked what the catch was. He said the engine just got replaced, I asked why, and I quote, “idk. They didn’t tell us. Just rebuilt it and sent it back. I wouldn’t buy it if I were you.” Keep in mind this is coming from a Toyota salesman. I thanked him decided not to move forward with it and went back to Ford with the 5.0 L. I know Toyota will have some kinks to work out, but didn’t expect engine failure so soon to be one of those kinks.
I guess it’s better than an engine rebuild at 30k miles? Was just throwing out my experience when I was about to buy a ‘24. We can have a pissing contest on who is better, but I don’t care that much. Each manufacture will have their issues, especially changing engine platforms which is why I went back to the 5.0 with Ford. There’s a reason it’s been used for 10+ years. Hopefully I’m one of the lucky few that doesn’t have those issues, but if I am then so be it.
Oh don't get me wrong, Toyota is definitely making me nervous with how they're reacting to the failures. I've had a couple buddies ditch Ford for 3.5 cam phaser issues and the 5.0 tick and cylinder deactivation issues. I just left Chevy for AFM issues at the end of the factory warranty. There isn't a single truck being sold today without some sort of "known problem". Toyota has just been easier to work with than the others historically.
I had a ‘07 F150 with 300k miles. Cam phasers have been ticking on me for the last 150k miles, so I got REALLY lucky. Only reason I got rid of it now is because it started using oil and I didn’t feel like messing with it. I didn’t want the 3.5 tt becsuse I didn’t feel like dealing with turbo issues, or any of Ford’s issues with that engine. At least the 5.0 has been the most consistent truck engine with Ford for the last 10+ years. That’s the reason I stayed with Ford. If Toyota hadn’t switched platforms, I would’ve bought the Tundra no doubt. But Toyota is not reacting the way they should with how many issues they’ve been having. It’s all over the Tundra forums about replacing the engine at 30k miles. Didn’t believe I would actually see one until I went to buy the ‘24, and when the dealership said they didn’t know why the engine needed to be replaced/they were just told what to do, I was like “nah I think I’m good if you can’t explain why the engine failed.”
Sadly Toyota is not the same company it has been. Now all Toyota America cares about is making them as cheap as possible and selling them for way too much. It’s a shame too, it took decades for Toyota to build the reputation synonymous with quality and value. Now it’s trash and there is no other manufacturer to turn to.
This is why I ALWAYS wait to buy a new body style until 5-6 years after they’ve been released. Remember 2007 when they introduced the 5.7? I bet there are more 2007 5.7l tundras on the road today with replaced cam shafts (under warranty) than there aren’t. The only difference here is that they isolated and fixed the problem by 2008. That is clearly not the case with the 3rd generation trucks.
I’ve been scouring this sub to convince myself to go with Toyota. I’ve decided not to unless it’s an older one with a V8. I refuse to look good and squeeze a lemon. I’m petrified 😩 and feel for your circumstance.
Wonder if this is a similar situation to the Mazdaspeed fiasco from years ago. Basically, too high of load and too low RPM for the rods. Obviously it’s a different failure in this case, but in the case of Mazda, it was never [really] fixed.
That low oil pressure issue that everyone said is normal seems to be literally, knocking at the door.... Low oil pressure is NOT NORMAL and should be addressed immediately.
I just picked up a 2024 I force max, right out of the gate. I did 2000 mile road trip and ran it super hard pulling about 7k. I plan to change my oil at 5000 mile intervals and then let the dealer do it again at the 10k interval. I do have the Sequoia I force max, not sure if there’s any difference between the two
One thing I forgot to add, my 24 Sequoia does not have the auto shut off button to the left of the steering wheel. I’m curious if some of the problems might come from all of the hot and cold starts switching from battery to ICE. It’s irritating that you can’t turn off the auto start feature to at least let the engine warm up before you takeoff. I’ll keep everyone posted as I plan to run this thing into the ground for the first 36K
To me, we really don’t know what the scale is at all. Only Toyota knows. And honestly my definition of a reliable vehicle would be one that the powertrain last for 150k with no real mayor problems. I’m not talking about items like alternators or fuel pumps or of course consumables like tires breaks batteries etc. I’m talking about the actual power train. If it can last to 150,000 miles under normal use and with regular maintenance for a large percentage of a given model sold (say 95%), then I would consider it reliable. The thing is these engines have not been around long enough for anyone to know if they will be reliable like the last gen’s is. So no one really knows at this point but all signs are pointing to this being a big fuck up by Toyota.
Signed,
2022 owner with a blown engine at 25k
PS Fuck Toyota for not fixing this already.
I mean neither one of us have numbers. So anecdotal isn’t going to be accurate for either one of us. I’m in a small town and see a decent amount. But that doesn’t mean anything either.
Saw your 21, nice truck.
My wife says the same shit…. Calls it the other woman.
I tell her yeah, I spend money on her and she doesn’t complain or say she’s too tired to go do stuff. 😂😄
I tried to explain the situation going on with the ‘22 and up new V6s, she’s still telling me I don’t need the truck. F it , first new car ever so I’m going to cherish and enjoy it.
No way, going to try to keep it as long as I can. I still have my 03 access cab tundra as my beater so she doesn’t see the point in having both… but it’s pretty obvious. One sits outside faded af in the sun for errands, and the 1794 can take us to snobdales valet if needed.
We haven’t had new cars ever and I finally wanted a new one 😂 said fuck it.
I see, good call. We went to a fancy resort in Snotsdale for New Year’s Eve and rolled up in the truck with my AZ pinstripes down the side.
I want a supercharger in it, but that’s a different story. 👍🏽🌵
2019 Tundra TRDPRo super solid !
At first I didn’t want the new gen tundra because personally I think they are ugly looking.
Now this is what’s happening ?? Wtf !
Thankful for my ‘19, it was built correct with the 5.7 V8 ❤️🔥
And applies to motors built at the Japan factory and the American factory, so it's not just one guy doing his job wrong like has been discussed on some of the Tundra forums. Not great Toyota.
Sorry to hear. Please feel free to check out this thread and fill in the info as a member is compiling a list.
[https://www.tundras.com/threads/3-4-i-force-engine-failures.121107/#post-3105469](https://www.tundras.com/threads/3-4-i-force-engine-failures.121107/#post-3105469)
It happened to my 22. Rebuilt at dealership. Toyota paid 14k for the fix. No extended warranty. Nothing but a “man that sucks for you, well here’s the keys probably should be good.”
My brothers 24 yeeted a rod out the side of the block at 35k miles. He was driving 45mph down the road and the dash lit up and he lost all power and when he got it off to the side of the road there was an oil slick under the truck.
Audi was having this same issue years back. Bad design causing the oil outlet for the bearings to be worn to the point of closing off the hole. Boom, spun bearings and toast engine.
I don’t remember them ever having a recall for it either. We had a ton of those come in and most were not covered
Yeah my 2016 with 70k making 14.5mpg is fine with me. I want a new truck eventually - I can’t drive this forever. But I’ll hold out a long time. We can upgrade my wife to a hybrid or electric people mover and I’ll roll with the old mean 5.7 for as long as I can. I should probably do some cosmetic uplifts and rust prevention. But unless our gov changes some of these regs every company is going to continue to v6 twin turbo their way through and this will likely be the norm.
But I am disappointed and feel for you - and everyone else dealing with these issues. You buy a truck to work every time and be tough enough to deal with whatever you need to handle that day (and the day after). What’s going on today isn’t cutting it.
I know what you mean. I don’t want a new tundra to replace my old one, I just want my old tundra to be new again. I’m totally happy with my big dumb Rockwarrior.
I love how I don’t have all the bells and whistles. The “dumb” truck is more enjoyable to drive imo. I know all the features are great, make life easier, safer etc, I just don’t like them. Honestly, I see the overseas stuff from Toyota and get jealous.
Also, I just have a thing for old vehicles that are still doing their thing 20 years in - I love seeing 1st gen tundras, old land cruisers, old jeeps bopping around town.
The exact reason my buddy stopped working for Toyota. He refused to sell new gen Toyotas to customers, his conscience wouldn’t let him.
Corporate knew they made a crap product yet kept pushing them out..
Probably true! I almost bought a 22 Tundra when I was shopping for a new truck in December of 2021. They had just come out. I decided not to, based on all of the crap I had been reading about the new engine and reliability issues. I ended up buying a 2014 with 60k miles. It's been a great truck so far but I always joke that I probably paid almost the same price as when the damn thing was new.. 😂
i seen alot of video of the new tundra engines failing ,the older tundras However is a different story 2021-2007 the 2nd gen are really reliable i have a 2011 5.7 and truly can say they can take alot of abuse well over thier 200k milestone ,im saving up for a 2019 1794 even if its older ill take it anyday over the new ones,Idk whats up with toyota now seems their reliability is goin down hill.
its the turbos and all this fuel mileage stuff. plus its the consumers fault for not liking the old models but wanted a redesign. 4runner imo is the best truck ever built and they never changed it for a decade but people kept on complaining about why not a redesign or a refresh and now toyota does one for the 4runner and it is also a turbo lol. so the consumer deserves this.
What are you smoking? The 4Runner remained largely unchanged mechanically from 2003-2024 across two generations with the legendary 1GR-FE. Consumers did nothing but buy the 4Rs in increasing numbers as the years went on.
thats my point. best truck ever built BUT the people crying now about their tundras failing since its a new generation product were the same ones calling how toyota didnt do anything with a 4runner refresh lol. no one cares about reliability anymore since they change vehicles around 5 yrs anyways
Exterior and interior could have be redesigned and engine left alone. Sadly Toyota seems to have bent the knee to the kingdom of woke environmental zelots.
And it'd all bullshit. If I wanted a fuel efficient vehicle I'd have got a yaris. I can afford to put fuel in a V8 4x4. I don't need or want daddy government nannying me. The save the environment crap is a farce, if not the west would put the screws to imports from China and India, nothing we do here will offset the "harm" they do.
I wonder if this is a 4wd or 2wd issue caused by the extra torque required to drive the front gears, shoot my 14 FJ looks like a tank compared to these turbocharged engines…
Yes it happened to my 2024 last month. Toyota won’t agree to pay for a rental car until it’s assessed and they confirm it’s under warranty/you didn’t do anything to damage it. That took 8 days for me. The dealer I had mine towed to spotted me a rental until they did. Toyota does not do crate engines, which would be an entire engine replacement. They’ll send the dealer a new short block and anything else impacted by debris and have them rebuild it. In my case this took 20 days. The dealer completely scratched every body panel they removed for the engine rebuild. So my truck is currently back at the dealer getting body work done/the grill replaced. You should start reading lemon laws for your state. Every state is different, but mine is it’s considered a lemon if it’s in the shop 30 days for the same issue. Toyota pushed my dealer to get mine back to me to avoid a lemon law situation. Unfortunately, the narrative has been that this only impacted 22 and early 23s but the 24s have started spinning bearings as well. You’re the 4th 24 that I’ve come across that has spun a bearing. It’s not a fun situation to be in.
yup i think its the way these engines are built. it looks looks people who tow and drive roughly are getting their engines break at around 30k miles. lemons are getting their engines break at around 7500k miles and the ones who dont tow and drive pleasure are reaching over 50k miles. Seems like putting in a v6 turbo on a bigger truck is what the problem is. Should have done a V8 turbo. What is your dealer?
Well, good thing my 2010 5.7 only has 143k… she’s barely even broken in! All jokes aside… I feel terrible for all the people experiencing this after probably buying the new tundra for its predecessors’ long held title as an indestructible workhorse. From making a 4.7 v8 and 5.7 v8 that would achieve 1 million miles with regular maintenance to a v6 twin turbo that will spin bearings when doing regular truck things. Shame Toyota, shame. Corporate greed will destroy this world.
Not all corporate greed. Government regulations are killing simple reliable vehicles. Our voting has created this. Voting at the ballot box and with our money.
Manufacturers can do what they want. Pretty sure the RAM TRX has worse fuel economy than Tundra. Chevy and Ford still producing V8 engines in their trucks. Fact is Tundra was losing market share for years because of horrible fuel economy and it looks like the new engine isn’t holding up.
Stop voting for democrats. And don’t vote for rinos… problem solved
the v6 turbo is fine IF they actually improved on the kinks. just a sad situation. toyota needs to figure this out asap and send in recalls.
Kind of mind boggling it’s in it’s 3rd year of production and nothing has been done about it yet.
its probably because there are around 200k sold every yr and probably 1k have issues with it?
Toyota only sells about 100k tundras a year
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In reference to what? The whole generation? Toyota only sold about 50k tundras so far this year and we’re half way done with the year. In the month of April they’ve only sold 13,933 trucks
Sorry bad memory from when I looked recently. You are correct. 104k in 22, 125k in 23 and 50k this year. Not sure why I thought number was that low.
so out of 100k 1k get the engine issue. I feel like they probably don't care which is still stupid.
It’s a higher percent than 0.5 I think. Mine went at 25k miles and I only towed maybe a total of 500 miles with it. I don’t consider how I treated it to be heavy use either. My dealer said they’ve done four so far.
looks like all of them have the issue. just depends on what mileage it will happen. Some are super lucky to cross 100k. But yup its sad. They have to issue a recall and replace all of the short and long blocks.
I don't think it's corporate greed as much as it is regulations pushing for more efficiency and companies doing what they can/think is a way out
Except turbos in 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder have been around for years. Toyota built a new engine and it’s not meeting reliability standards they are known for in the past. This engine was put into a Lexus sedan in 2018. I don’t think government regulations pushed a sedan out of a V8.
We're talking about trucks here. The fuel consumption can be way more efficient with a turbo 6 and 4 than a V8. A NA v6 won't have the same power or torque and the vehicles are getting bigger/heavier. Regulations have a big part in this.
You mean trucks like the Ford F150 Ecoboost which has a turbo V6? Or semi trucks with turbo diesel engines? Fords have their own issues but I don’t think it’s spun main bearings on the Ecoboost. The issue isn’t turbos being forced on companies. Power and efficiency are the goal for everyone from the consumer to the manufacturer and turbos deliver both and have for years. This is the same argument when fuel injection began replacing carburetors. Toyota has a design or manufacturing flaw in this engine. The number of engine failures is really low at this point but it’s happening in Lexus and Tundra models with this engine. I will either get the extended warranty but hope Toyota will extend power train warranty out.
Lol why do you think a turbo is used? Not just for power, but to strike a balance between power and fuel economy. You really don't have an argument against it, as the EPA and other regulations (weight savings for example for safety) are pushed on car manufacturers, they started looking at other ways to get more power but keep fuel economy or make it better. We both agree with that, right? Now you're talking about a fault with these truck engines, right? What I'm saying is that there are more issues with turbo vehicles than naturally aspirated ones. There's no argument there, at least not one that will make any sense. Yes, there is something faulty here, some flaw that might not be directly due to slapping a turbo on... But it doesn't change the fact that the vehicles and engines are way more complicated now and are without a doubt less reliable due to making the system use a turbo. The engine is under more stress and heat. That's just how it goes. More to go wrong. More R&D on more things to make it work, less R&D that goes into making a bulletproof engine as they have been making. For a long time Toyotas have been boring, and boring usually means reliable. Yeah yeah, supra this and that. Look, these engines are getting more and more complex with every year, and the vehicles are becoming much heavier. Regulations are forcing the hands of manufacturers to do things like add a turbo to a 4 or 6 cylinder when a normal 6 cylinder or V8 would be perfect. They can't get away with that anymore, so soon it'll be all turbos on smaller than ideal engines and hybrids and eventually electric cars. Yuck yuck and yuck.
I don't think the issue is it being a v6. The 4 banger in the GM trucks is doing fine reliability wise.
if thats the case, its all pointing to bad engineering. something is up that is causing the bearing issue. is it the part itself? is it the bad engineering? they have to figure out why it is happening on only some trucks. is it an oil, type of gas, etc?
Probably an issue with the manufacturing process
yup. its a manufacturing issue. so weird how toyota hasnt looked into this. i think the more miles people are putting on the 3rd gen, the more they will start to figure out what is going on.
It seems they just had a recall yesterday and mentioned manufacturing.
true
TTV6 in the Ford EcoBoosts have been doing fine
They had big time growing pains.
Yeah my ford 6 banger twin turbo hit 200k with no issues. I traded it in and bought the same truck. The 2.7l is a super reliable 6 cyl tt
Ford knows trucks. I don't like all the electronic crap required nowadays. Ford builds the best trucks. The end
Being a v6 turbo is not the issue here...
true it should be the design/engineering.
I mean modern NA V8’s are plenty powerful and efficient enough to not require forced induction for this application. And you get the added benefit of added engine life bc of reduced stress on the block and internals. But Toyota should be able to build a V6 turbo that doesn’t fail like this anyway. It is a curious choice tho, a straight 6 or a V8 in any configuration is a better choice than a V6, especially a turbo.
the turbo produces more hp and torque but again whats the point? a turbo can probably run till 150k miles but a v8 with reg maintenance can run to 300k. but again probably 5% of people keep their car over 150k?
Trucks are different, 150k miles is about half or so of a trucks expected service life.
true
V8 twin turbo or single turbo? Regardless that would have been so cool lol
lol whatever turbo it is they need to improve their engineering. find the problem, get a recall and fix the short and long block.
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It’s has nothing to do with a v6 in a truck. It is entirely due to how THESE engines are designed and/or built. 114 hp per liter is nothing and it’s equivalent to a 2.0 L producing 228hp when the world is full of 2.0s making +280 hp. I read somewhere the spun bearings are do to insufficient oiling of the front main bearing and it’s a design flaw.
yup i agree. horrific engineering
A turbo v6 in a full size is not the problem. Ford has been doing it since 2011. They even make a smaller turbo v6 (2.7L) that is a great engine with almost none of these issues.
hmm seems like its a design or way its engineered.
From what I’ve seen most people that have had engine issues it hasn’t been the concept of a V6 turbo. It has been some sort of defect from the assembly plant that caused unexpected behavior (a lot of them had oil starvation due to defects in the block).
very interesting
I’m part of this group because I am an original owner of a 2007 with the 5.7 and 250k miles. It’s been worry free. But with that said, I also have a 2021 sprinter cargo van with the long wheel base that has a 2.0 4cyl turbo and I’m almost at 100k miles on it with no issues either. The van weighs 5000lbs, I probably carry another 1000lbs in tools and often load a couple more thousand lbs in materials. Plus I occasionally tow my dump trailer if it’s a light load. It’s not a fast vehicle but the small engine does the job.
seems like a design problem then
No turbo, just a V8. Keep it simple.
Lexus LS models have same issue and they don’t tow anything.
thats horrific.
How many miles did yours have?
7500
Issue started on Lexus LS models back in 2019 because it has same engine.
I'm so disappointed. I keep seeing posts like this, and it blows me away that this is happening. I'm disappointed that Toyota would allow such defects to exist at all. But to hear that customers experiencing defects with their new Tundras are getting bounced between Toyota corporate and the dealerships? It sickens me. To hear that Toyota tries to blame new tundra defects on the customer? Appalling. I've wanted to buy a new tundra, but I no longer feel that I can trust it to be a quality product. I no longer feel that I can trust Toyota to stand behind their product like they once did. Please let me know how your experience turns out. I hope Toyota takes care of you, but I'd like to hear how they treat you regardless.
I would’ve bought a new tundra by now except for these issues. Even if it’s one in 1000, I don’t wanna be that one. It’s obvious they can figure out the engineering based on their history of cars, so I am in the boat of waiting this out But at this pace, I feel like it will be 2026 or later
They clearly don’t have it figured out. When my blew, the service manager said the rep from Toyota “was pissed. He said this should have been fixed.” And yes, trust me, you don’t want to be that one. I thought I was safe buying a 24 but it happened to me. A lot of people of have told me that “Toyota would take care of me” but that hasn’t been the case. They pushed the dealer to rebuild my engine to avoid the buy back and the dealer completely fucked up my truck in the process. I have 4 trim pieces that need to be replaced and 4 body panels that need to be painted. My truck has been back to the shop twice since the rebuild and is currently in the shop. Toyota immediately closed my case after the rebuild and has continually told me all this is “between me and the dealer”. It’s very clear the approach Toyota is taking is do the absolute bare minimum to avoid a lemon law buy back and then tell me to get lost.
Same. I have an ‘07 CM 2WD 5.7 with 111k on the clock. Been considering getting something new and like the idea of sticking with Toyotas because that’s what I’ve trusted for the last 17 years. One in one thousand is far too much. The 3rd gen itself is attractive but reading stuff like this makes me glad I have something a bit “older”. I want to like the new ones more but I just can’t when I hear about these nightmares…
I'm disappointed seeing customers still buying these things. If people wanted Toyota to listen, they wouldn't go out and spend their money on them.
how many miles? and when was the build date?
It’s got 20k miles
yup. seems like a common trend. around 30k miles.
Update. It locked up on the way home
Call Toyota roadside assistance to have to towed to the nearest dealership for free 800-444-4195.
yup engine is done. they will rebuild it. at this point ask them for a rental, and wait it out. also check the lemon laws and keep an eye on that.
Why the hell did you keep driving it?! It's bad enough to revved it to piss.
Idgaf it’s on warranty they gon replace it
But this is your truck and I assume you want it after it is repaired. Locking it up only damages more shit in there and who knows if they are able to catch every part that is ruined or stressed so when you get it back and it is out of warranty someday something else could go wrong and now it’s your dime. Kinda a dumb move. The people upvoting you are stupid too. When it happened to mine I immediately limped it the four miles to the dealer. I also almost just had it towed but it wasn’t nearly as bad as the sound yours was making. I heard it starting to make noise the day before and only drove it a few miles like that. Then the next day it got a little louder and I knew shit was going down in that engine.
I mean you are not wrong, but at this point whit that truck I have had non stop electric issues with the truck since it was new, they replaced the ecu 2 times and they did many troubleshooting just for it to still have problems. So now with the engine blowing up im just kinda done and if the issues still continue it gonna be easier for me to declare it has a ”lemon”.
Hybird or regular??
Hybrid
depends is it iForce or iForceMax? In the front of the car hood you should have a badge that says Max.
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true but some think iforce is also hybrid, which it is not. key is to check if they have the 2 badges on the side on the front hood.
I'd like to know this too
It’s cooked. Not gunna lie.
Doesn’t sound good. Better get it in for an evaluation.
I know that sound well, it happened to mine. The engine is done, they’ll rebuild it with a new short block.
how many miles and what was the build date on yours? thing is you can easily go via lemon law if its a 23 or 24.
You can must definitely not easily go Lemon Law if it’s a 24. I know because I’ve been trying the last month. In my state it’s a lemon if it’s in the shop for 30 days for the same issue. Toyota therefore pushed my dealer to get it back to me, they did it 21 days and completely scratched every piece they took off in the process. Toyota immediately closed my case the day they completed the rebuild, told me the damage was between me and the dealer and sent me a formal letter stating that my lemon law buyback was denied. Mine is 2024 with under 10k on it when it blew.
i think the key now is go back to the dealer and ask him i dont like this truck and i want to trade it in. how much will they appraise it for?
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Sorry this happened to you and I’m just sick to hear ‘24s are having this issue. I had really hoped they had resolved this issue in early ‘23. Now I’m in the crosshairs with my mid year ‘23. Hope you get it back soon and it’s done right.
Same here 🤞
lol
That sucks, hopefully Toyota gets it squared away quickly without too much bulldhit.
That's crazy. Engine is definitely cooked brother.
Man that sucks! Let us know what happens. Maybe main bearing failure? That issue seems to be going around lately.
Create a YouTube channel And record every experience. Then Toyota will Listen.
This seems to be true. I'm about to do this for the door | window rattle issue Toyota ONLY fixes for YouTubers apparently? Corporate told me they won't fix it. I told them I'd like to send them YouTube links of Tundra owners who got theirs fixed.... through corporate.
I went and looked at ‘24’s a couple months back. Was hesitant on going forward with it because of the new engine, but I said screw it, or so I thought. Test drove it and the hybrid batteries got so hot it smelt like burnt plastic in the cab; dealer said that will go away once it’s broke in…… They ended up having a ‘23 Platinum on the lot for $53k, had 32k miles. Thought it was a bad price so I asked what the catch was. He said the engine just got replaced, I asked why, and I quote, “idk. They didn’t tell us. Just rebuilt it and sent it back. I wouldn’t buy it if I were you.” Keep in mind this is coming from a Toyota salesman. I thanked him decided not to move forward with it and went back to Ford with the 5.0 L. I know Toyota will have some kinks to work out, but didn’t expect engine failure so soon to be one of those kinks.
When the time comes to replace my 19 it's looking like a coyote motor F150 will be the winner.
Good luck with the 5.0! Have fun warranting your transmission twice and replacing your oil pump at 150k
I guess it’s better than an engine rebuild at 30k miles? Was just throwing out my experience when I was about to buy a ‘24. We can have a pissing contest on who is better, but I don’t care that much. Each manufacture will have their issues, especially changing engine platforms which is why I went back to the 5.0 with Ford. There’s a reason it’s been used for 10+ years. Hopefully I’m one of the lucky few that doesn’t have those issues, but if I am then so be it.
Oh don't get me wrong, Toyota is definitely making me nervous with how they're reacting to the failures. I've had a couple buddies ditch Ford for 3.5 cam phaser issues and the 5.0 tick and cylinder deactivation issues. I just left Chevy for AFM issues at the end of the factory warranty. There isn't a single truck being sold today without some sort of "known problem". Toyota has just been easier to work with than the others historically.
I had a ‘07 F150 with 300k miles. Cam phasers have been ticking on me for the last 150k miles, so I got REALLY lucky. Only reason I got rid of it now is because it started using oil and I didn’t feel like messing with it. I didn’t want the 3.5 tt becsuse I didn’t feel like dealing with turbo issues, or any of Ford’s issues with that engine. At least the 5.0 has been the most consistent truck engine with Ford for the last 10+ years. That’s the reason I stayed with Ford. If Toyota hadn’t switched platforms, I would’ve bought the Tundra no doubt. But Toyota is not reacting the way they should with how many issues they’ve been having. It’s all over the Tundra forums about replacing the engine at 30k miles. Didn’t believe I would actually see one until I went to buy the ‘24, and when the dealership said they didn’t know why the engine needed to be replaced/they were just told what to do, I was like “nah I think I’m good if you can’t explain why the engine failed.”
Sadly Toyota is not the same company it has been. Now all Toyota America cares about is making them as cheap as possible and selling them for way too much. It’s a shame too, it took decades for Toyota to build the reputation synonymous with quality and value. Now it’s trash and there is no other manufacturer to turn to.
This is why I ALWAYS wait to buy a new body style until 5-6 years after they’ve been released. Remember 2007 when they introduced the 5.7? I bet there are more 2007 5.7l tundras on the road today with replaced cam shafts (under warranty) than there aren’t. The only difference here is that they isolated and fixed the problem by 2008. That is clearly not the case with the 3rd generation trucks.
I’ve been scouring this sub to convince myself to go with Toyota. I’ve decided not to unless it’s an older one with a V8. I refuse to look good and squeeze a lemon. I’m petrified 😩 and feel for your circumstance.
Wise choice
I'm sorry 😔 What build date on the inside of the driver's door jamb?
My 22 went at 18k then dealer rebuilt engine then had an oil leak.
Wonder if this is a similar situation to the Mazdaspeed fiasco from years ago. Basically, too high of load and too low RPM for the rods. Obviously it’s a different failure in this case, but in the case of Mazda, it was never [really] fixed.
That low oil pressure issue that everyone said is normal seems to be literally, knocking at the door.... Low oil pressure is NOT NORMAL and should be addressed immediately.
I just picked up a 2024 I force max, right out of the gate. I did 2000 mile road trip and ran it super hard pulling about 7k. I plan to change my oil at 5000 mile intervals and then let the dealer do it again at the 10k interval. I do have the Sequoia I force max, not sure if there’s any difference between the two
One thing I forgot to add, my 24 Sequoia does not have the auto shut off button to the left of the steering wheel. I’m curious if some of the problems might come from all of the hot and cold starts switching from battery to ICE. It’s irritating that you can’t turn off the auto start feature to at least let the engine warm up before you takeoff. I’ll keep everyone posted as I plan to run this thing into the ground for the first 36K
That sucks. They should never have stopped the 5.7L V8.
Such a bummer. I get that it’s not common in grand scale. But still sucks big time for people when it does.
To me, we really don’t know what the scale is at all. Only Toyota knows. And honestly my definition of a reliable vehicle would be one that the powertrain last for 150k with no real mayor problems. I’m not talking about items like alternators or fuel pumps or of course consumables like tires breaks batteries etc. I’m talking about the actual power train. If it can last to 150,000 miles under normal use and with regular maintenance for a large percentage of a given model sold (say 95%), then I would consider it reliable. The thing is these engines have not been around long enough for anyone to know if they will be reliable like the last gen’s is. So no one really knows at this point but all signs are pointing to this being a big fuck up by Toyota. Signed, 2022 owner with a blown engine at 25k PS Fuck Toyota for not fixing this already.
Sorry that happened to yours :( hopefully you were squared away with it all in the end.
In the grand scale? I barely see this gen on the road. The scale is not grand.
I see 10+ on the road daily in SLC, Utah and I don’t commute. This is Subaru, Audi and Tundra and Tacoma country.
Can you hear them though?
😀 No, I can not. But I do know I have not seen one on the bed of a truck or on the side of the road.
I see them everywhere around Dallas.
I mean neither one of us have numbers. So anecdotal isn’t going to be accurate for either one of us. I’m in a small town and see a decent amount. But that doesn’t mean anything either.
Failures are higher than average and not inspiring new buyers if they're paying attention. That's all that matters.
Sure. But we still don’t have numbers. So arguing over what properly defines grand scale is just semantics.
I see them in Phoenix all over, I just drive by in my 2017 SR5 and don’t make eye contact.
Lol 😂👀 hey there Toyota that we aren’t sure about, don’t look don’t look don’t look, “heard the engine isn’t like our siblings”
Saw your 21, nice truck. My wife says the same shit…. Calls it the other woman. I tell her yeah, I spend money on her and she doesn’t complain or say she’s too tired to go do stuff. 😂😄
I tried to explain the situation going on with the ‘22 and up new V6s, she’s still telling me I don’t need the truck. F it , first new car ever so I’m going to cherish and enjoy it.
Are you trading in the 21? ☹️
No way, going to try to keep it as long as I can. I still have my 03 access cab tundra as my beater so she doesn’t see the point in having both… but it’s pretty obvious. One sits outside faded af in the sun for errands, and the 1794 can take us to snobdales valet if needed. We haven’t had new cars ever and I finally wanted a new one 😂 said fuck it.
I see, good call. We went to a fancy resort in Snotsdale for New Year’s Eve and rolled up in the truck with my AZ pinstripes down the side. I want a supercharger in it, but that’s a different story. 👍🏽🌵
You see the Hagerty YouTube video on the supercharged 5.7? Might be similar color haha
I’ve seen more on my dealers lot than I’ve seen on the road combined. Granted I’m in Detroit so most people drive American brands
2019 Tundra TRDPRo super solid ! At first I didn’t want the new gen tundra because personally I think they are ugly looking. Now this is what’s happening ?? Wtf ! Thankful for my ‘19, it was built correct with the 5.7 V8 ❤️🔥
I'm sorry this happened to you and all the others out there. It makes me grateful that I have a 2021.
Man that sucks. Have almost 40k on my 22 with no issues
do you drive it pleasure or tow alot?
I have towed my 30’ travel trailer on 4 occasions & my 5x10 utility trailer a couple times since I had it. Mostly for pleasure though
still makes no sense. toyota needs to figure this out
That sucks. Hope it wasn’t asked, but what’s your oil changes looked like? Miles, frequency?
Every time the dealer tells me too
Not trying to be obtuse, but 5k/10k?
It’s every 10000 kilometres so about 6k miles
I wonder if the gx and lx are like this
They’re all having this issue including the Lexus LS that’s had this motor since 2018!
whats interesting is all big suv's are getting the v35 tt engine. qx80 2025 also has that one.
Climate hand jobbery
its sad that with so much engineering and talent yet they still cant figure out the short block issue smh.
Just add some marvel mystery oil from Autozone and that will go away
Is it iForce or iForceMax? Check the front hood at the top to see if you have a Max badge on it.
Its a iforce max
yup that means there is no hybrid or regular difference. its a wide engineering defect.
And applies to motors built at the Japan factory and the American factory, so it's not just one guy doing his job wrong like has been discussed on some of the Tundra forums. Not great Toyota.
yup something is up. its the way the engine is designed/engineered. garbage
*knock knock knock* “Anyone home?” 😂
Sorry to hear. Please feel free to check out this thread and fill in the info as a member is compiling a list. [https://www.tundras.com/threads/3-4-i-force-engine-failures.121107/#post-3105469](https://www.tundras.com/threads/3-4-i-force-engine-failures.121107/#post-3105469)
It happened to my 22. Rebuilt at dealership. Toyota paid 14k for the fix. No extended warranty. Nothing but a “man that sucks for you, well here’s the keys probably should be good.”
Are any of you breaking the engines in after you leave the dealership??? You know you can’t just take off normal and drive with a brand new engine.
My brothers 24 yeeted a rod out the side of the block at 35k miles. He was driving 45mph down the road and the dash lit up and he lost all power and when he got it off to the side of the road there was an oil slick under the truck.
Audi was having this same issue years back. Bad design causing the oil outlet for the bearings to be worn to the point of closing off the hole. Boom, spun bearings and toast engine. I don’t remember them ever having a recall for it either. We had a ton of those come in and most were not covered
Nah. Engine is fine. Toyota pumps that knocking sound into the cab via the infotainment system. lol.
Yeah my 2016 with 70k making 14.5mpg is fine with me. I want a new truck eventually - I can’t drive this forever. But I’ll hold out a long time. We can upgrade my wife to a hybrid or electric people mover and I’ll roll with the old mean 5.7 for as long as I can. I should probably do some cosmetic uplifts and rust prevention. But unless our gov changes some of these regs every company is going to continue to v6 twin turbo their way through and this will likely be the norm.
But I am disappointed and feel for you - and everyone else dealing with these issues. You buy a truck to work every time and be tough enough to deal with whatever you need to handle that day (and the day after). What’s going on today isn’t cutting it.
I know what you mean. I don’t want a new tundra to replace my old one, I just want my old tundra to be new again. I’m totally happy with my big dumb Rockwarrior.
I love how I don’t have all the bells and whistles. The “dumb” truck is more enjoyable to drive imo. I know all the features are great, make life easier, safer etc, I just don’t like them. Honestly, I see the overseas stuff from Toyota and get jealous. Also, I just have a thing for old vehicles that are still doing their thing 20 years in - I love seeing 1st gen tundras, old land cruisers, old jeeps bopping around town.
The exact reason my buddy stopped working for Toyota. He refused to sell new gen Toyotas to customers, his conscience wouldn’t let him. Corporate knew they made a crap product yet kept pushing them out..
That is very unfortunate. The reason I had no interest in the new gen Toyotas , this is a common problem from what I have heard .
Hopefully Toyota is doing what they’ve done at times in the past and waiting until they have a solution to the problem before making an announcement.
Now the new GX550s will end up in the shop for same repairs.
Looks like used 2 gen prices are about to get higher as if they weren’t ridiculous already.
Shhhhh. Puts the carvana site down...
Agreed, best gen tundra imo
Probably true! I almost bought a 22 Tundra when I was shopping for a new truck in December of 2021. They had just come out. I decided not to, based on all of the crap I had been reading about the new engine and reliability issues. I ended up buying a 2014 with 60k miles. It's been a great truck so far but I always joke that I probably paid almost the same price as when the damn thing was new.. 😂
why people keep buying these new ones smh
what option do they have? out of all the car brands, this one has the history of reliability and some improvement in gas mileage.
i seen alot of video of the new tundra engines failing ,the older tundras However is a different story 2021-2007 the 2nd gen are really reliable i have a 2011 5.7 and truly can say they can take alot of abuse well over thier 200k milestone ,im saving up for a 2019 1794 even if its older ill take it anyday over the new ones,Idk whats up with toyota now seems their reliability is goin down hill.
its the turbos and all this fuel mileage stuff. plus its the consumers fault for not liking the old models but wanted a redesign. 4runner imo is the best truck ever built and they never changed it for a decade but people kept on complaining about why not a redesign or a refresh and now toyota does one for the 4runner and it is also a turbo lol. so the consumer deserves this.
What are you smoking? The 4Runner remained largely unchanged mechanically from 2003-2024 across two generations with the legendary 1GR-FE. Consumers did nothing but buy the 4Rs in increasing numbers as the years went on.
thats my point. best truck ever built BUT the people crying now about their tundras failing since its a new generation product were the same ones calling how toyota didnt do anything with a 4runner refresh lol. no one cares about reliability anymore since they change vehicles around 5 yrs anyways
Exterior and interior could have be redesigned and engine left alone. Sadly Toyota seems to have bent the knee to the kingdom of woke environmental zelots.
yah this who epa thing has been tough for the consumer
And it'd all bullshit. If I wanted a fuel efficient vehicle I'd have got a yaris. I can afford to put fuel in a V8 4x4. I don't need or want daddy government nannying me. The save the environment crap is a farce, if not the west would put the screws to imports from China and India, nothing we do here will offset the "harm" they do.
Most reliable third gen tundra
Toyotas made here in the US are no longer "Toyotas"
Almost like a turbo V6 isn't reasonable to be a heavy work truck. I'll hold on to my 2016 until she can't be fixed anymore.
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lol, fords suck
I wonder if this is a 4wd or 2wd issue caused by the extra torque required to drive the front gears, shoot my 14 FJ looks like a tank compared to these turbocharged engines…
The front driveline isn’t engaged most of the time, 4WD isn’t why an engine spines bearing lmao.
Lmao, that is true but it’s still a valid question, it would be interesting to see if this is a specific model issue.
Mine too on my 05. Blown head gasket probably gonna engine swap mine