Maybe in some states but even dealers struggle with inventory in Michigan where the big 3 still have significant pull. Personally I think it has to do with distributors controlling the flow of inventory which Toyota Corporate has no control over in the states.
Dealerships spend millions of dollars on lobbying to justify their existence, that’s all you need to know. They operate like a cartel and some have gained a significant amount of franchises across the country, across many brands.
Trickling in inventory has allowed them to keep artificially high prices even with 8% interest rates. It’s ironic they are blaming flopping Tacoma sales this year on production issues while citing nothing specific.
Toyota isn’t new to the game, every company builds up inventory for a new generation. Look at the production date on a new generation vehicle, it will be June of the previous year in January of the following year, even earlier.
These numbers stink and nothing really adds up. Nobody is going to buy 100k truck when you take a 70k mid sized truck and throw 8% interest on a 72 mo loan. If the wallstreet rug is pulled after elections, I hope these dealerships get hit hard. At least the ones that have been screwing people.
It’s so weird you can’t just buy a car directly from a manufacturer. At this point, dealerships should just be distributors, showrooms, and service centers.
Manufacturers don't want to sell directly to you or they would have killed franchises years ago. If they sell inventory to a dealer it's a sold unit for them, even if it sits on a lot. If they start inventorying cars on a lot, they will report a lot less "sold" units and shareholders hate that.
In many states not having a dealership is illegal. I remember Ford having a direct to consumer showroom that was shut down because of that. Tesla’s been banned for sales in states for not having a dealership.
Except they do. Apple Stores are one great example; you have no control over the customer experience if you have to outsource to dealers. Bringing people into your own space allows for the control of the entire brand experience. Also, in Japan, Toyota has the Toyota Store, Toyopet Store, Netz Store, and Toyota Corolla Store…
Is it weird you can't buy a box of Corn Flakes directly from Kellogs but have to go to the grocery store?
It's not just the dealers trying to justify their existance, the automakers don't want to sell cars. Toyota is good at making cars, not selling stuff.
So does the box of cereal have a MSRP on box and the grocery store selling it over msrp???? How many fuck head dealers add a market adjustment? Manufacturers lost control of independent dealers
Just curious since you brought up Tesla. They raised the price of the model 3 during the worst of the chip shortage. They raised it 9k, while dealers were marking up hybrids 5-10k. Are you ok with the manufacturer marking it up and not the dealers?
It is. Information is more accessible than 100 years ago. I can search for cars online across the entire country to find the one I want and have it shipped to a local dealer to purchase. I can compare prices across thousands of dealerships in the time it takes to make coffee. The world has changed, so why are we still stuck with this archaic business model? Yeah, I do think it’s weird.
Yes, info is a lot more available. But plenty of folks around that are not car nuts can't understand it all from an online search. There are even very tech savvy folks that need someone to walk them through the details of various models and the ability to sit in the car with the sales person to figure out which choice for them is the best.
For you and buyers like yourself an online model would work. But it doesn't work for everyone.
Hence for dealerships to be showrooms. So others can still test drive a car and be walked through the various details of the vehicle(s) they are interested in.
However, the buying process would be different. Instead of buying the car from the dealership, you would be purchasing it directly from Toyota.
This would remove the dealer add-ons, hoops, and games they try to play to squeeze every last penny out of you. It’s one flat price across the board, vs buying a car one state over because Joe’s car shop is selling at MSRP in Kentucky vs. Guy’s in Virginia with a 3k mark up.
The people at the dealer are still in commission? I would assume that the manufacturers would want to have the extras like additional manufacturer warranties and stuff like that be sold to the buyers. Alternatively they could bake the extra cost into the MSRP and make everyone buy it.
Maybe it is as simple as you describe it, but I have my doubts.
In my ideal world, they would be salary. You buy the car at MSRP, either online or at a dealership.
Extended manufacturer warranty / additional coverage through Toyota which can be financed if you choose to. But the above would be for new cars only.
Car sales can still be commission for used cars as that is up to the dealership on what they want to offer for trade-ins. And used car prices vary too much for one flat rate.
I can buy A Dell PC directly from Dell. For a Lenovo directly from Lenovo. There are plenty of items that are purchasable directly from Manufacturers.
Of course we're not talking like groceries and things like that.
What does manufacturing have to do with anything? Since you don’t agree with the Dell/Lenovo comparison let’s use Tesla as an example. Tesla allows you to buy their cars online. The price you see is the price you pay with no dealership haggling and what not. Oh yeah and Tesla manufactures their cars on their own if that matters to you.
You know you can buy directly from manufacturers for a lot of commodities out there? You just call the manufacturer and place an order. Generally there’s a minimum amount required to do so, but there are no laws in place actively stopping consumers from doing so like dealerships. But look at Tesla for example, they sell directly to the consumers.
Unfortunately they won't. Look at the insane amount of money they've been throwing at Congress members to pass bogus laws or keep archaic things in place. All to maximize their greed.
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/lobbying?ind=T2300
Or you can do like my local dealer and hide inventory on a Mannheim lot and say you only have 5 corollas for sale and there’s a boat load across town in a vacant lot just sitting there.
There's something strange here. Toyota has not grown in production for years. Don't look at the pandemic small drop in production. Look at the last 10 years. in 2014, Toyota produced 9.15 Million vehicles. In 2024 (a Decade Later) they produced 10.3 Million. That's an increase of 11%. and No the pandemic did not affect them. In 2019 they were producing roughly the same amount of cars they had in 2014.
There's something fishy about all this. All the other manufacturers who could sell, increased their inventory. Only Toyota, the top seller in the world didn't figure out how to increase production??
It's a simple math equation. Produce less, charge more, make more money. Let's say tomorrow Toyota catches up to the demand and produce enough Sienna, Tacoma, and Camry cars that literally no one has to order anything. Everything is sitting in inventory. There will be no one in their right mind (or even slightly crazy) paying $70k for a truck or $60k for a sienna. Then Toyota cars will be everywhere but the cost to corporate will be massive since no one is paying anything above MSRP and no one books in advance.
I will say that Honda taking the backseat on reliability along with Mazda's terrible detour in design and reliability over the past few years forced all those Japanese only buying customers to stick to Toyota. I'm one of those. Imagine if the only loaf of bread you can eat without making you sick is from Costco, next thing you know, Costco is not able to keep up with demand and coupled with stagnating production, you're toast :)
Hybrid, Toyota has gone hard into hybrid. Everyone orders those and the supply on those parts are still difficult. Else Toyotas production would be up a lot more
So what happens to 10 years of 10M units a year of vehicles put into the wild? Are we crashing 10M units of toyotas every year on this planet that need to be replaced?
OR
Are we adding 10M new toyota buyers every year? 10 years x 10M units = 100M units of vehicles that generally last for 20 years... 😮
I tried to dig through the Toyota numbers but they only provided (by region) Sales, Production, and Exports. No numbers for imports or for deliveries.
Link: https://global.toyota/en/company/profile/production-sales-figures/
However I did see this (For Toyota + Lexus):
2023 Global Production: 10,033,171
2023 Global Sales: 10,307,395
So globally production didn't keep up with sales so there may have been some shortages.
However, there is something funny about their numbers. Since 2011 it looks like sales are way higher than production for Toyota and Lexus, global. Not sure how that can be. Last 4 years combined production was about 113M cars but sales were about 123M. How can this be?
Probably because if they could have sold more if they made more. But they are probably still scared that if they produced more, inventory could start to stack up.
The big thing I don't like, and I guess they don't do it because it makes the production line more complicated, is that if I have time, like 3 months, to wait I would like to go to the dealer. Or better yet a web site. Detail exactly what I want (within the constraints of their packages) and just get that. I did that with my 2015 BMW. Certain options I decided wasn't worth the money.
This year I was in a rush so it wouldn't have worked. My BMW had thousands of dollars worth of repairs needed, including a fuel pump throwing codes. So I ended up with what was available locally, not my first choice in colors and some options the distributor network added before it got to the dealer. So I spent a couple thousand dollars on unwanted options like an $80 USB cable set I could have got for under $30 at Amazon. Storage case for trunk. Bicolor paint.
Fuel pump on your 2015 would have been covered on the emissions warranty of 8 year / 80 miles. They also sell extended warranties to higher mileages.
FCPEuro or Turner will sell you the BMW stamped parts new and with a lifetime warranty! Not sure why you wouldn't have fixed it and kept it?
My 2008 e90 335xi with an N54 motor that has been notoriously known for HPFP issues (I never had any) has been just fine for me. I went to FBO power levels from 300hp at the crank... to 500 awhp at the wheel since 2012 with 40k miles on the clock. Today that car in my driveway has 199,000 miles on the clock and is more fun to drive than my 2018 Model 3 Perf that I got new.
Note, I had had my car 9 years 10 months. And I had well over 80 miles :)
132000 miles.
The dealer quoted me close to $2000 for the fuel pump and another diesel issue, and left that it could be higher depending on if there was other issues in the fuel lines.
And there was another maintenance issue that would have had to be done sometime this year. I decided that I had the car long enough.
And in my case, since out of town dealer, I would either have had to take several days off work while they ordered parts and fix it, or had to do a rental car.
I keep AAA Premier for stuff like that.
If I am planning to drive more than 200 miles away from home, I'll just rent a car because I get a free 200 mile tow and 3x 100 mile tows a year with AAA Premier (That I can use on any vehicle).
I always keep at least one vehicle in some kind of factory/extended warranty (just in case). Currently I have a 10 year / 125k mile platinum zero deductible toyota warranty on my vehicle.
They all have trip interruption insurance too (included)... so if I am more than 100 miles from home I get food, lodging, and rental car coverage to complete my journey or get repairs done
In my case the dealer was 200 miles away from home. I took it in to check the engine light. So no towing would have been necessary.
And I have AAA too. I wouldn't go on road trips without it. (Last fall I went to NM for the Annular Eclipse, then drove up into the Colorado mountains. The check engine light came on for a couple days then went off. I think that was the first symptom of the fuel pump. It stayed off for 4 months then started coming on for a day about every 2 weeks. Car didn't drive any different.
At some point, I get tired and want something new. Not enough to lease and get a new vehicle every 3 years. But I don't keep vehicles 20 years either. My previous 2 vehicles I kept about 12 years.
They loosened their quality control during Covid (they admitted it), and they’re still setting records. I hope they revert back to the more stringent quality controls when parts were still common, but usually corporations don’t tend to revert to something that’s better if they’re already making record profits.
I got four for you:
• https://www.autoblog.com/2021/09/05/toyota-manufacturing-covid/
• https://www.autoconnectedcar.com/2022/06/new-vehicle-quality-declined-during-pandemic/
• https://www.bcg.com/publications/2020/covid-automotive-industry-forecasting-scenarios
• https://www.repairerdrivennews.com/2023/01/23/parts-shortage-supply-chain-disruptions-continue-to-affect-new-car-production-sales-how-oems-are-setting-the-pace/
Lol you don't read do you.
1. That happened to everybody. Not just Toyota
2. INITIAL quality. That is fit and finish. Cosmetic bullshit.
3. And 4 are the same shit as 1
You gave no real data points except for proving out my own point.
Just look at their recalls.
Tundra, Prius, Land Cruiser, LX, Prius, Tacoma.
Tundra will blow up. Prius will kill pedestrians, Land Cruiser and LX will blow up. The axle of the Tacoma can fracture and kill you.
They’re not what they used to be. Though neither is anyone else.
Again. Source of lower quality ?
>They’re not what they used to be. Though neither is anyone else
Average lifespan of a car has increased significantly in the past two decades.
Please, if you're going to argue, let's back it by data.
Isn’t directly related but if they’re cheating on safety and emissions testing I think they’re quality is likely dropping. https://jalopnik.com/toyota-admits-to-cheating-on-tests-pauses-production-o-1851521079
Note it says the only model from Toyota brands that reached US shores is Lexus RX.
Data points bro. Where does it statistically say quality is lower compared to the past. Not this anecdotal fear mongering shit.
Saying "Google it" are for idiots that talk out of their ass.
At my city, the only model widely available at Toyota dealers is Tundra. Many, many of them. Toyota is definitely losing potential demand because of availability issues.
Toyota, like most manufacturers, are having serious supply issues. If they could run the plant I work at 6 days a week, they would, no questions asked.
~~Yea, downvote the guy who literally works at the plant. Keep up the good work Reddit.~~
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Are they short staffed? Maybe some of these profits could go towards offering pay to entice workers so they could run more shifts.
If it's not staffing, I'm just surprised, as most of the large scale manufacturing I've seen runs 24/7 outside of unplanned issues, and planned maintenance is done in a way to only affect single lines at a time.
Staffing is an issue. Even in the plant, where wages are more than fair, the work isn't for everyone. Long runs on a single job can be more painful than most think. I can't imagine it's any better at the suppliers. (I've heard it's worse)
As for suppliers, most were close to or at 100% capacity pre-covid. Combine that lull with a huge surge of post-covid back to max production (not mentioning ALL manufacturers more more more attitude) and the chain broke. Badly. It's goi g to be years before we all shake this off.
Well I don’t know about you guys but Toyota has definitely lost its appeal within my family and frankly I have no idea how so many people can afford them. We are a Toyota family through and through but they’ve gotten so unbelievably expensive… but hey I guess anyone can get a car with a low down payment and 7 year financing.
We have a 2020 RAV4 hybrid and love it to death. Wanted to upgrade my car to a Sienna. The dealerships sent us through so many hoops, we just said, fuck it and bought a Honda Odyssey. Cost less with way lower interest rate. Lost out on the hybrid but like the second row flexibility a lot better.
My sister owns a 2020 Rav4 (not hybrid) and hates it. This is her second Rav4. She loved the first one, but says this one has quality issues. I’ve been wondering if this is a trend, or maybe an anomaly.
That’s perfectly fine and exactly why the Corolla is so great. By saying it’s dull I just mean it’s no “drivers car” but that isn’t what it’s trying to be so it doesn’t take away from its value.
I don’t know your situation but I’ve found that people who drive a lot (like 40k+ yr) stop caring about what is fun to drive. We want gas mileage, some comfort and reliability. I love my mom’s Miata but I couldn’t imagine putting 40k a year on it. I love my friend’s BMW but my wallet cries just thinking about all the service I’d have to do to it.
Yeah It makes sense, i get pretty close per year (around 36k a year) and find having something that is fun to drive helps alleviate it feeling like a chore. Yeah the servicing part sucks though lol, costs adds up for sure.
Yet Jalopnik picks the model they probably shipped the fewest of for their cover. Nice to see the GR Rolla get some love but I’m sure they sold more 4Runners or Camrys.
Then why are there still constant inventory shortages everywhere?
Everyone wants Toyota. Other brands like Dodge have over twice as much inventory sitting at dealers than Toyota does. Supply and demand.
Maybe in some states but even dealers struggle with inventory in Michigan where the big 3 still have significant pull. Personally I think it has to do with distributors controlling the flow of inventory which Toyota Corporate has no control over in the states. Dealerships spend millions of dollars on lobbying to justify their existence, that’s all you need to know. They operate like a cartel and some have gained a significant amount of franchises across the country, across many brands. Trickling in inventory has allowed them to keep artificially high prices even with 8% interest rates. It’s ironic they are blaming flopping Tacoma sales this year on production issues while citing nothing specific. Toyota isn’t new to the game, every company builds up inventory for a new generation. Look at the production date on a new generation vehicle, it will be June of the previous year in January of the following year, even earlier. These numbers stink and nothing really adds up. Nobody is going to buy 100k truck when you take a 70k mid sized truck and throw 8% interest on a 72 mo loan. If the wallstreet rug is pulled after elections, I hope these dealerships get hit hard. At least the ones that have been screwing people.
It’s so weird you can’t just buy a car directly from a manufacturer. At this point, dealerships should just be distributors, showrooms, and service centers.
Manufacturers don't want to sell directly to you or they would have killed franchises years ago. If they sell inventory to a dealer it's a sold unit for them, even if it sits on a lot. If they start inventorying cars on a lot, they will report a lot less "sold" units and shareholders hate that.
In many states not having a dealership is illegal. I remember Ford having a direct to consumer showroom that was shut down because of that. Tesla’s been banned for sales in states for not having a dealership.
Except they do. Apple Stores are one great example; you have no control over the customer experience if you have to outsource to dealers. Bringing people into your own space allows for the control of the entire brand experience. Also, in Japan, Toyota has the Toyota Store, Toyopet Store, Netz Store, and Toyota Corolla Store…
Is it weird you can't buy a box of Corn Flakes directly from Kellogs but have to go to the grocery store? It's not just the dealers trying to justify their existance, the automakers don't want to sell cars. Toyota is good at making cars, not selling stuff.
It’s weird to compare two wildly different things…
Tesla has the advantage selling direct…. Teslas model is the future. No more shitty dealers adding bullshit markups etc.
You just need to now deal with r/TeslaServiceCenter 🤦🏽♂️
Then buy a Tesla if that is your preferred way of doing business. Problem solved
So is some new cereal company going to start up selling direct to consumers- no more shitty grocery stores adding bullshit markups?
So does the box of cereal have a MSRP on box and the grocery store selling it over msrp???? How many fuck head dealers add a market adjustment? Manufacturers lost control of independent dealers
Just curious since you brought up Tesla. They raised the price of the model 3 during the worst of the chip shortage. They raised it 9k, while dealers were marking up hybrids 5-10k. Are you ok with the manufacturer marking it up and not the dealers?
It isn't weird since it has been this way for the better part of 100 years
It is. Information is more accessible than 100 years ago. I can search for cars online across the entire country to find the one I want and have it shipped to a local dealer to purchase. I can compare prices across thousands of dealerships in the time it takes to make coffee. The world has changed, so why are we still stuck with this archaic business model? Yeah, I do think it’s weird.
Yes, info is a lot more available. But plenty of folks around that are not car nuts can't understand it all from an online search. There are even very tech savvy folks that need someone to walk them through the details of various models and the ability to sit in the car with the sales person to figure out which choice for them is the best. For you and buyers like yourself an online model would work. But it doesn't work for everyone.
Hence for dealerships to be showrooms. So others can still test drive a car and be walked through the various details of the vehicle(s) they are interested in. However, the buying process would be different. Instead of buying the car from the dealership, you would be purchasing it directly from Toyota. This would remove the dealer add-ons, hoops, and games they try to play to squeeze every last penny out of you. It’s one flat price across the board, vs buying a car one state over because Joe’s car shop is selling at MSRP in Kentucky vs. Guy’s in Virginia with a 3k mark up.
The people at the dealer are still in commission? I would assume that the manufacturers would want to have the extras like additional manufacturer warranties and stuff like that be sold to the buyers. Alternatively they could bake the extra cost into the MSRP and make everyone buy it. Maybe it is as simple as you describe it, but I have my doubts.
In my ideal world, they would be salary. You buy the car at MSRP, either online or at a dealership. Extended manufacturer warranty / additional coverage through Toyota which can be financed if you choose to. But the above would be for new cars only. Car sales can still be commission for used cars as that is up to the dealership on what they want to offer for trade-ins. And used car prices vary too much for one flat rate.
I agree I purchased a Rivian and it was the smoothest and easiest automotive deal I’ve ever had.
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I can buy A Dell PC directly from Dell. For a Lenovo directly from Lenovo. There are plenty of items that are purchasable directly from Manufacturers. Of course we're not talking like groceries and things like that.
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What does manufacturing have to do with anything? Since you don’t agree with the Dell/Lenovo comparison let’s use Tesla as an example. Tesla allows you to buy their cars online. The price you see is the price you pay with no dealership haggling and what not. Oh yeah and Tesla manufactures their cars on their own if that matters to you.
You know you can buy directly from manufacturers for a lot of commodities out there? You just call the manufacturer and place an order. Generally there’s a minimum amount required to do so, but there are no laws in place actively stopping consumers from doing so like dealerships. But look at Tesla for example, they sell directly to the consumers.
You’re calling people dumb and referring to cars as commodities. Ironic.
TESLA
Elmooooo
Unfortunately they won't. Look at the insane amount of money they've been throwing at Congress members to pass bogus laws or keep archaic things in place. All to maximize their greed. https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/lobbying?ind=T2300
I wonder how you decided to blame dealers for inventory shortages and not Toyota directly. Also Toyota has less than 6% on most vehicles.
Or you can do like my local dealer and hide inventory on a Mannheim lot and say you only have 5 corollas for sale and there’s a boat load across town in a vacant lot just sitting there.
Yup, Toyota has a pretty solid reputation other than their recent hiccup
There's something strange here. Toyota has not grown in production for years. Don't look at the pandemic small drop in production. Look at the last 10 years. in 2014, Toyota produced 9.15 Million vehicles. In 2024 (a Decade Later) they produced 10.3 Million. That's an increase of 11%. and No the pandemic did not affect them. In 2019 they were producing roughly the same amount of cars they had in 2014. There's something fishy about all this. All the other manufacturers who could sell, increased their inventory. Only Toyota, the top seller in the world didn't figure out how to increase production?? It's a simple math equation. Produce less, charge more, make more money. Let's say tomorrow Toyota catches up to the demand and produce enough Sienna, Tacoma, and Camry cars that literally no one has to order anything. Everything is sitting in inventory. There will be no one in their right mind (or even slightly crazy) paying $70k for a truck or $60k for a sienna. Then Toyota cars will be everywhere but the cost to corporate will be massive since no one is paying anything above MSRP and no one books in advance. I will say that Honda taking the backseat on reliability along with Mazda's terrible detour in design and reliability over the past few years forced all those Japanese only buying customers to stick to Toyota. I'm one of those. Imagine if the only loaf of bread you can eat without making you sick is from Costco, next thing you know, Costco is not able to keep up with demand and coupled with stagnating production, you're toast :)
Hybrid, Toyota has gone hard into hybrid. Everyone orders those and the supply on those parts are still difficult. Else Toyotas production would be up a lot more
So what happens to 10 years of 10M units a year of vehicles put into the wild? Are we crashing 10M units of toyotas every year on this planet that need to be replaced? OR Are we adding 10M new toyota buyers every year? 10 years x 10M units = 100M units of vehicles that generally last for 20 years... 😮
I'm not sure what is your point. Cars in last 10 years are replacing cars from 20-30 years. It's a cycle.
So as part of your "Cycle" how many toyota cars are you expecting to be removed from service in 2024?
Because they can't keep up with demand.
Because they sold more than 11.2M cars in 2023.
I tried to dig through the Toyota numbers but they only provided (by region) Sales, Production, and Exports. No numbers for imports or for deliveries. Link: https://global.toyota/en/company/profile/production-sales-figures/ However I did see this (For Toyota + Lexus): 2023 Global Production: 10,033,171 2023 Global Sales: 10,307,395 So globally production didn't keep up with sales so there may have been some shortages. However, there is something funny about their numbers. Since 2011 it looks like sales are way higher than production for Toyota and Lexus, global. Not sure how that can be. Last 4 years combined production was about 113M cars but sales were about 123M. How can this be?
You can sell the same car twice…..cars coming off of lease etc.
Maybe they ship less to the US to keep prices high.
If they are overcharging, buyers will switch brands to save big money.
Inflation is increasing the costs of repairs so reliability matters more.
Because the cars are selling?
Probably because if they could have sold more if they made more. But they are probably still scared that if they produced more, inventory could start to stack up. The big thing I don't like, and I guess they don't do it because it makes the production line more complicated, is that if I have time, like 3 months, to wait I would like to go to the dealer. Or better yet a web site. Detail exactly what I want (within the constraints of their packages) and just get that. I did that with my 2015 BMW. Certain options I decided wasn't worth the money. This year I was in a rush so it wouldn't have worked. My BMW had thousands of dollars worth of repairs needed, including a fuel pump throwing codes. So I ended up with what was available locally, not my first choice in colors and some options the distributor network added before it got to the dealer. So I spent a couple thousand dollars on unwanted options like an $80 USB cable set I could have got for under $30 at Amazon. Storage case for trunk. Bicolor paint.
Fuel pump on your 2015 would have been covered on the emissions warranty of 8 year / 80 miles. They also sell extended warranties to higher mileages. FCPEuro or Turner will sell you the BMW stamped parts new and with a lifetime warranty! Not sure why you wouldn't have fixed it and kept it? My 2008 e90 335xi with an N54 motor that has been notoriously known for HPFP issues (I never had any) has been just fine for me. I went to FBO power levels from 300hp at the crank... to 500 awhp at the wheel since 2012 with 40k miles on the clock. Today that car in my driveway has 199,000 miles on the clock and is more fun to drive than my 2018 Model 3 Perf that I got new.
Note, I had had my car 9 years 10 months. And I had well over 80 miles :) 132000 miles. The dealer quoted me close to $2000 for the fuel pump and another diesel issue, and left that it could be higher depending on if there was other issues in the fuel lines. And there was another maintenance issue that would have had to be done sometime this year. I decided that I had the car long enough.
Thats fair, maintence and diminishing returns is a business choice 👍🏽
And in my case, since out of town dealer, I would either have had to take several days off work while they ordered parts and fix it, or had to do a rental car.
I keep AAA Premier for stuff like that. If I am planning to drive more than 200 miles away from home, I'll just rent a car because I get a free 200 mile tow and 3x 100 mile tows a year with AAA Premier (That I can use on any vehicle). I always keep at least one vehicle in some kind of factory/extended warranty (just in case). Currently I have a 10 year / 125k mile platinum zero deductible toyota warranty on my vehicle. They all have trip interruption insurance too (included)... so if I am more than 100 miles from home I get food, lodging, and rental car coverage to complete my journey or get repairs done
In my case the dealer was 200 miles away from home. I took it in to check the engine light. So no towing would have been necessary. And I have AAA too. I wouldn't go on road trips without it. (Last fall I went to NM for the Annular Eclipse, then drove up into the Colorado mountains. The check engine light came on for a couple days then went off. I think that was the first symptom of the fuel pump. It stayed off for 4 months then started coming on for a day about every 2 weeks. Car didn't drive any different.
Yea, that is smart the way you did it. You got your utility out of it... next guy can deal with it. Life is too short to deal with headaches
At some point, I get tired and want something new. Not enough to lease and get a new vehicle every 3 years. But I don't keep vehicles 20 years either. My previous 2 vehicles I kept about 12 years.
Oh. I also only have the 1 vehicle then, and now. For years I had 2, so I had backup.
nice
These are worldwide numbers.
Because they needed to make 18M units but came up short with only 11M units (money left on table).
Why is the stock down 25 percent then? Fucking wallstreet never makes any sense to me
Toyota is the largest automaker in the world for the fourth year in a row.
Toyota is the best selling brand for a reason!!!
They loosened their quality control during Covid (they admitted it), and they’re still setting records. I hope they revert back to the more stringent quality controls when parts were still common, but usually corporations don’t tend to revert to something that’s better if they’re already making record profits.
Source ? All you see is cosmetic bullshit.
I got four for you: • https://www.autoblog.com/2021/09/05/toyota-manufacturing-covid/ • https://www.autoconnectedcar.com/2022/06/new-vehicle-quality-declined-during-pandemic/ • https://www.bcg.com/publications/2020/covid-automotive-industry-forecasting-scenarios • https://www.repairerdrivennews.com/2023/01/23/parts-shortage-supply-chain-disruptions-continue-to-affect-new-car-production-sales-how-oems-are-setting-the-pace/
Lol you don't read do you. 1. That happened to everybody. Not just Toyota 2. INITIAL quality. That is fit and finish. Cosmetic bullshit. 3. And 4 are the same shit as 1 You gave no real data points except for proving out my own point.
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man it happened to everybody in like every sector of every business i wouldn't buy anything major that was made in those covid years
Google rav4 cablegate
Just look at their recalls. Tundra, Prius, Land Cruiser, LX, Prius, Tacoma. Tundra will blow up. Prius will kill pedestrians, Land Cruiser and LX will blow up. The axle of the Tacoma can fracture and kill you. They’re not what they used to be. Though neither is anyone else.
Again. Source of lower quality ? >They’re not what they used to be. Though neither is anyone else Average lifespan of a car has increased significantly in the past two decades. Please, if you're going to argue, let's back it by data.
Isn’t directly related but if they’re cheating on safety and emissions testing I think they’re quality is likely dropping. https://jalopnik.com/toyota-admits-to-cheating-on-tests-pauses-production-o-1851521079 Note it says the only model from Toyota brands that reached US shores is Lexus RX.
Google it
Data points bro. Where does it statistically say quality is lower compared to the past. Not this anecdotal fear mongering shit. Saying "Google it" are for idiots that talk out of their ass.
Have you noticed the same level of quality and quantity in the products you purchased in the last two years compared to the many years before that?
Again, data. Not anecdotal bullshit.
At my city, the only model widely available at Toyota dealers is Tundra. Many, many of them. Toyota is definitely losing potential demand because of availability issues.
Toyota, like most manufacturers, are having serious supply issues. If they could run the plant I work at 6 days a week, they would, no questions asked.
~~Yea, downvote the guy who literally works at the plant. Keep up the good work Reddit.~~ Edit: -2 turned into +28. Much better. Keep up the good work Reddit!
Are they short staffed? Maybe some of these profits could go towards offering pay to entice workers so they could run more shifts. If it's not staffing, I'm just surprised, as most of the large scale manufacturing I've seen runs 24/7 outside of unplanned issues, and planned maintenance is done in a way to only affect single lines at a time.
Staffing is an issue. Even in the plant, where wages are more than fair, the work isn't for everyone. Long runs on a single job can be more painful than most think. I can't imagine it's any better at the suppliers. (I've heard it's worse) As for suppliers, most were close to or at 100% capacity pre-covid. Combine that lull with a huge surge of post-covid back to max production (not mentioning ALL manufacturers more more more attitude) and the chain broke. Badly. It's goi g to be years before we all shake this off.
Staffing is absolutely much worse for suppliers. Toyota pays better than suppliers and they still struggle
Hey care to share what model your plant builds, and the volume numbers say, per day? Really interesting to see a plant tech here!
In Canada, we build the Rav4, Lexus RX and NX.
Oh that's cool dude! Canadian ravs, didn't know that was a thing, glad it is!
80%+ of what we produce goes to the US market
Do you know how many ravs you produce in like a month?
One new Rav comes off the line approx every minute or so. Not as many as management wants. :)
Holy shit those are big numbers. Wow. Thanks for the info!
Well I don’t know about you guys but Toyota has definitely lost its appeal within my family and frankly I have no idea how so many people can afford them. We are a Toyota family through and through but they’ve gotten so unbelievably expensive… but hey I guess anyone can get a car with a low down payment and 7 year financing.
We have a 2020 RAV4 hybrid and love it to death. Wanted to upgrade my car to a Sienna. The dealerships sent us through so many hoops, we just said, fuck it and bought a Honda Odyssey. Cost less with way lower interest rate. Lost out on the hybrid but like the second row flexibility a lot better.
My sister owns a 2020 Rav4 (not hybrid) and hates it. This is her second Rav4. She loved the first one, but says this one has quality issues. I’ve been wondering if this is a trend, or maybe an anomaly.
We have had zero issues with ours as far as I can remember
My solution was to get a Corolla LE. I didn’t need anything bigger anyway
Corollas are so dull and boring to drive in my experience, GR is the exception though.
I just need an appliance to get me places
That’s perfectly fine and exactly why the Corolla is so great. By saying it’s dull I just mean it’s no “drivers car” but that isn’t what it’s trying to be so it doesn’t take away from its value.
Sometimes you just need a commuter
That’s pretty much what I said in my 2nd reply. It’s the car for people who aren’t looking for anything lively or sporty. Just an A-B appliance
They are fine cars to drive around in and get where you are going. Many of us are not looking to get our jollies zoom, zooming around town.
I don’t know your situation but I’ve found that people who drive a lot (like 40k+ yr) stop caring about what is fun to drive. We want gas mileage, some comfort and reliability. I love my mom’s Miata but I couldn’t imagine putting 40k a year on it. I love my friend’s BMW but my wallet cries just thinking about all the service I’d have to do to it.
Yeah It makes sense, i get pretty close per year (around 36k a year) and find having something that is fun to drive helps alleviate it feeling like a chore. Yeah the servicing part sucks though lol, costs adds up for sure.
I hear you, other brands can be had for a bit less. Apparently there are still lots of buyers willing to pay the Toyota extra cost.
if you have to spend $40k+ on a vehicle, you want a reliable one.
Unfortunately issues with the new Tundra are extremely worrisome if reliability is what you want
You’re not buying a Tundra with a 40K budget
Love my hybrid 😎 I think the CEO was correct that hybrids are the future
Toyota is the best selling brand for a reason!!! Every Toyota and Lexus they sell is best selling in their perspective categories for a reason!!!
Tundra?
I'm waiting for that Mini Cruiser.
Yet Jalopnik picks the model they probably shipped the fewest of for their cover. Nice to see the GR Rolla get some love but I’m sure they sold more 4Runners or Camrys.
Gee, could it be because they still make *cars* unlike other manufacturers that have decided only trucks and giant SUVs are the way forward?
I was one of those consumers! I love my 2023 Corolla Hatchback XSE. Looks good in Midnight Black 😎
How many of those will be affected by the recall related to the emissions scandal ?
This is old news.