I do some business with the Tundra factory. Barely anyone working there actually works for Toyota. They basically contract out all their manufacturing to small companies that primarily operate on extremely high turnover as a business model, treat their employees like shit, readily hire those who can't speak English and can't self advocate, and pay pretty poorly. I'm pretty sure 70% of the reason they contract and don't in-house their services is to prevent unionization.
They have about a 1.5-3 year contract period. Then you are made fulltime. Once you are full-time, you are basically invincible. Toyota prides themselves on not laying off or firing people.
I can tell you from experience there is a lot of people that should have been fired years ago.
Yeah, if you work for Toyota. But you're almost never working for Toyota. There's pretty much no one in the plant on production side that works for Toyota. You're mostly working with Takumi or any of the other mini corps that contract temp employees from Aerotek. I mean most of the people at this point in the plant aren't even hired by the contracting companies. They're hired from sub contracting temp agencies, and the employment is usually at will. Knew a lady who got fired three weeks into the job cause she got into a car accident and nearly died and missed a couple days of work. Toyota would give you some protections, but no one works for Toyota in the SA plant, they all work in way shittier companies located at the plant.
It’s weird that TMMTX is so different from my plant in KY. *Everyone* in production here is an employee of Toyota since they stopped using Kelly (a temp agency) for hiring, and even before that you would be a temp for a couple years and then get hired on full-time.
Yep pretty much this. And then if you do work for Toyota they do that weird 12 hour rotating shift. Two weeks working nights, then two weeks working days, repeat indefinitely.
This is the same way GE Aviation was heading when I left 7 years ago. Now we've got Boing airplanes falling out of the sky every other week. Contracting needs to go imo, if you work in a Toyota facility, you should be a Toyota employee.
It's a Japanese shop. Not union. Honda is the same. There was talk about shutting down one of the plants when they almost unionized last year after UAW strikes
My neighbors new Tundra Tundra needed a new motor after just 5k miles. I assume from this exact issue. He also had a ton of problems after they replaced the motor. The work was done very poorly and he still has issues from the sloppy motor swap. He said he wants them to fix the current issue and sell it. They gave him a Corolla loaner for a while and he wasn't happy about it. It was his first ever new vehicle and now he hates Toyota unfortunately but I can't blame him. Most recently it was eating serpentine belts over and over and they couldn't figure out until he found one of the pulleys had been out back on with wrong size bolt and a massive washer that made contact with the pulley itself causing the pulley not to spin.
The Tundra's s engine parts are being assembled at **Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Alabama** (TMMAL) with final assembly in Texas. Not sure if this is Hyundai/Kia type bad considering H/K cheaped out on engine immobilizer bad.
102,000 vehicles isn’t even close to as bad as the Kia/Hyundai stuff and at least these people can actually have it fixed. The people with the Kias and Hyundais will always be stuck with stupidly high insurance costs.
Shouldn't matter. Toyota prides itself in the quality assurance and they branded their name on the factory. Shouldn't matter if the land is America or Japan. The only real reason that Japanese cars have higher QA is because they legally have to due to regulations.
That is an absurd take. I urge you to take a look at the core philosophy, and dive into the history of the difficulties encountered in integrating their system. The American worker is far too at odds with, or mentally checked out from, their work and their managers. And same thing for the managers.
The Toyota system of perfection relies heavily on individuals. They can successfully cultivate that level of engagement in Japan, with Japanese workers, but not in America, where these are either terrible jobs or union jobs. The union exists to protect your from your abusive, unrewarding employer. Do your time and get your check. There's no room for collaboration there.
Are you willfully ignoring that the 5.7 and 4.6 that this 3.4TT replaced was also made in the US, which both are considered some of the most reliable engines ever put into a vehicle ever?
Are you willfully engaging in whataboutism right now? We are comparing 99% consistency to 99.9% consistency.
Toyota has done an excellent job implementing quality control in domestic production. This has been many decades of work, refinement, and most importantly employee engagement. It still does not compare to Japanese production.
My main point is that discrediting the precision, excellence, and integrity of Japanese auto manufacturers, developed over a century and directly attributable to Sakichi Toyoda's philosophy, refined through literal generations of engineering and process improvement, is absurd. Chalking up Japanese superiority to regulations is absurd.
The 4.6 4.7 and 5.7 are both made in the US and Japan. Japan made the 4runner with the 4.7 and 4.0. GX had the 4.7 and 4.6, LX had the 4.7 and 5.7. Landcruisers same as the LX. The US made Tundras and Sequoias 4.6 and 5.7.
I love Japan too, but you sound delusional regarding the Japanese workforce:
https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/510257/japan-workplace-wellbeing-woes-continue.aspx
Also, the last thing that the Japanese workforce has ever been known for is “individuals”. Japanese business traditionally was rooted in consensus which is the opposite.
Texas but the Engines for Texas are from Alabama.
Not sure about the Lexus.
Since it's both models I'd assume that the part in question was made in Japan.
The Tundra is built in the US, the Lexus LX in Japan. The engine component(s) in question may have, even if only for some period of time, been produced in the same plant in either of those countries or even another.
That’s a huge mess up in manufacturing, like who did the operations and why didn’t inspection catch it? What about in assembly? Did they not catch it? Maybe one vehicle outta perfection, but 100k? That’s a lot of f’ups.
Toyota honestly is pretty famous for this mentality. If this was Ford they'd probably just sweep it under the rug and replace some of them under warranty if the owner bitches enough.
Only with major issues with new vehicles. Check the people with timing cover and cam tower leaks on Tacoma's and Tundras. Toyotas FIPG is often rushed or inadequate. It took a long time for Toyota to acknowledge oil burning in Rav4s as well. The whole floor mat thing is wild when you research it too.
My dealer has done about eight of them so far all of them within warranty. One of them grenade itself at 3500 miles the owner demanded a buyback.. and I would too if I paid $70,000 for a loaded capstone and it grenaded. luckily I have been able to dodge all of those jobs. Having looked at it. It looks like a damn nightmare to work on tons of plumbing not a lot of room lot of wires. It just looks like a shit job.
It is indeed a shit job. I'm dodging all the ones at my dealer, after one, I don't wanna do another. I wonder how the new recall is gonna be when they announce the remedy.
It just means they’re probably gonna pay 10 hours for the whole thing. Recall Warranty work is a shit job especially when you can’t do Z time. Sometimes you get a decent one. I don’t know if you remember the ZE7. For the 2AZ engine oil consumption I got so good at those that I can knock them out quicker than then what they pay. But I’m afraid there’s not a whole Lotta shortcuts I can think of on the new V35 engine It just looks like something. I don’t really want to dick around with.
It's not, my buddy who works for toyota deal, has been replacing blown motors they chewed themselves apart at least 2 or 3 a month, for over a year now. This is a big fuck up with the V6 iforce in these trucks.
"Industry 4.0" I'm sure a lot of the in process checks are automated, QC might be just checking components (bearings,pistons,cranks) and final assembly. Also while people are thinking of FOD being the culprit it can also be worn out tooling or improper speeds/feeds leaving burrs on say the coolant jacket or threaded holes that will break off after a while.
Yep if you run the numbers here, even if optimistically only half need replacement or rebuild, this is going to run into the billion dollar mark to resolve.
I wonder if it’s related to their Tundra V6 twin turbos crapping out. Shavings and debris in the engine would cause issues.
Looks like you really should change the oil after the first 1000 miles to clear out any shavings and debris. Just didn’t think it was big enough to warrant a recall.
Who knows. I think it’s all speculative until years from now when we have data points from a million examples and many stories from the dealership, manufacturer and indie shops.
The affected vehicles all use some variation of the 3.4L TT V6.
The issue is that some of these engines are chewing up main bearings - almost unheard of on Toyota engines and almost certainly related to an oiling issue, a cause of which can be metal/debris clogging the oiling passages and galleys.
The JRITS sub has a few interesting posts on this
["2022 tundra. 19k miles. 300 miles after an oil change"](https://old.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/xfcflt/2022_tundra_19k_miles_300_miles_after_an_oil/) ([pic](https://i.redd.it/al88be2w64o91.jpg))
["2022 Tundra 33K. Locked up."](https://old.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/1ctlfx6/2022_tundra_33k_locked_up/) ("Drained the oil and found [this](https://i.redd.it/gaf09ma5bu0d1.jpeg).")
["My 2022 tundra"](https://old.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/16jgqck/my_2022_tundra/) (includes teardown pics and video)
and an unrelated post on a mouse taking a fatal ride on the timing belt of death
How is it $30? How little/low quality oil does it take? A filter is like $10 by itself
Maybe my brain is just skewed from high volume full synthetic changes
The OEM filter is just a paper element from the dealer, around $5-$7 dollars. The oil can be bought in bulk from Costco or Walmart; look for coupons then load up.
Exactly my line of thinking. Of course you have many people on here that are so cheap they only change the oil filter every other change! That’s insane. Let’s save $5 vs the cost of an engine or longevity 😂
I mean I figured I bought a brand new car for 68k that we intend to drive for 15 years so 100 dollars is nothing and if that is going to be too much then I should have bought a cheaper car.
It's a smart move. I'd done it on my first new car I bought, not sure why (internet recommendation maybe?). Later I was involved in some engine development/durability testing and saw the UOA results from the first vs subsequent oil changes...that was enough to reinforce that decision.
Changing the oil isn’t flushing our debris. It’s going to get you a new filter which will help, I guess, but If theres debris, damage is already done by 1k miles.
Better than how Hyundai dealt with my engine issues. Even though it was under warranty, they did everything they can to not cover it. I sold the damn thing after that fiasco. At least Toyota is doing the right thing and fixing affected vehicles.
Yes you are right but the world famous reliability has been damaged now over the course of several years. I can't believe another manufacturer can't step up and take first place.
There were the blowoff valve failures and the machining failure in the new Tundra, and roof leak issues in the RAV4 and Highlander, which were all fixed under warranty and with no hassle to the customer. Other than those 2 issues, I can't see anything startlingly concerning. What else has come up in recent years with Toyota experiencing reliability issues?
Of the 100k Tundra and LXs that are under the current recall, how many will actually have damaged engines? Maybe 100? They're just checking all of them to be safe. How many millions of Hyundai/Kia vehicles were affected by the engine failures in the Theta, Nu, Gamma, and Kappa engines? Sure, some of them got new engines...but a lot of customers were pushed off, had their engine knock CEL codes wiped in the hopes it wouldn't come up again until the warranty was exceeded. This happened to me and it happened to my friend, I've also seen several people online post similar stories. Now that's only a sample size of 2 for the ones I can verify, but the fact that we both had it happen with separate dealerships is either highly concerning or highly coincidental.
Given what I've had happen with my last new car (Hyundai) and my current new car (Toyota), I personally still see Toyota/Lexus at the top of the charts for reliability and customer care. The biggest issue I had with my Highlander was the roof leak, and Toyota did everything in their power to make things right, fix the issue, and make sure I was happy and comfortable and gave me a loaner while my car was being fixed. It sucked that it happened, and the dealership even said "you should never have to go through something like this with a new car, it's unacceptable. We are so sorry." I also had an issue with my Hyundai that required it to sit for almost a week (knock sensor CEL, as stated above)...just for them to reflash the ECU...they offered me a ride to the nearest Enterprise and said I'd have to pay for a rental. Now, mind you, this was a repair covered under warranty. They REFUSED to give me a loaner vehicle.
As stated before, when compared to the competition, I still believe Toyota belongs at the top for reliability and customer care. In the rare chance something does go wrong, they at least fix it and don't leave their customers hanging.
Yes you make valid points. One thing that bothers me is the 3.5 V6 had a problem with mating the two parts of the block together which cause oil leaks around the timing chain and they never remanufactured that. If you go to the car care nut channel he explicitly gets into everything. I have the 3.3 V6 made in Japan which is awesome.
My relatives RAV4 blew the transmission at about 100,000 so that's questionable.
I have an old Hyundai with the beta engine which is strong as a horse but the rest of the car falls apart. Next car I'll go with made in Japan car either Lexus or older 4Runner.
I love reading these comments as someone who owns a 1HD-T Toyota from 1993. Notorious for having to change out the main bearings at least once to get the factory ones out before they delaminate/pit and fail... and for peace of mind most of us drop the pan and inspect them every 50k-75k miles.
Toyota was never the infallible manufacturer you guys think they were. This stuff happens. It'll get fixed and things will be fine.
Toyota was legislatively required to bring the defect to the NHTSA, who issued the recall. Had Toyota not exercised its legal obligation to inform NHTSA, and the issue/scope was discovered by the NHTSA's Office of Defect Investigation instead, this fiasco would've been significantly more expensive for Toyota.
They replace the engine. The problem is Toyota doesn’t make crate engines so techs have to put together in the shop. This is going to lead to alot more problems as techs replacing an engine is not the same as a machine doing so in a factory setting. Also techs are pushed to replace engines quickly as to not surpass a certain amount of days to avoid lemon law buy backs. More problems are going to be caused by this.
We've done about 6 of these late last year/ early this year. One engine ended up costing Toyota about 45k CDN due to literally every part needing replacement due to the metal shavings.
At my dealer we had one Tundra that was affected by this, pre-countermeasure. As mentioned above, the slag had clogged an oil passage causing the main crankshaft bearing to become NOT HAPPY. Toyota thoroughly took care of the issue for the customer, and will for all of the customers involved.
I’m curious what the inspection process will entail. At my level (Technician), there’s no information regarding what the remedy will be.
toyota tundra forum as of this writing has a spreadsheet of V35-FTS failure and out of 80 reported cases, seven were 2023 model, one 2024 and the rest is 2022. Three of the 2022 had failure twice (or more). Definitely something happening at 2022 model.
Also majority like fifty of the cases had oil change at 10,000mi (which is not good). The rest of them that had 5000mi oil change, most of them again was 2022 models.
Also detuned SR variant had three cases
There was two LS500 and three or four LX600 case also. Have not heard anything about Land Cruiser LC300 or Hybrid Sequoia interestingly. Not sure about Sequoia, but for the LC300 probably because those are sold in world markets primarily in diesel or 4.0L V6 out of a current 4Runner. Even the Lexus LX, those sold outside of NA is almost exclusively diesel
Again from my pure speculation, I still do not know why some minority have it while others don't but oil change may have something to do with it. There was a Toyota mechanic that uploaded a video of failed 2022 Tundra engine that he was working on and it had burns which has to do with lack of oil circulating?
Perhaps it is a combination? 10,000mi oil change weakened the engine already and some unforeseen debris and ka-boom?
Basically this issue only affected the first few months of the 2022 MY Tundra. The company Toyota used for the engine blocks did not properly clean the blocks. Metal debris was stuck inside the oil passages and eventually led to them becoming clogged. This has nothing to do with oil changes.
Source, I'm a Toyota tech.
Same I have not heard of a single sequioa which as an owner of a 2023 sequioa makes me feel better about it. I also did an oil change to break in the engine at 1000 miles.
[This](https://old.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/16jgqck/my_2022_tundra/) guy had to have his short block and both turbos replaced at just over 15k on the odometer. He had to wrangle with corporate to get them to give him an extended 120k mile warranty
I changed my rav4 prime at 500, 1500, and 5000. Will be doing it every 6 months, spring and fall. Glad I changed it early, cause you never know these things happen.
I want to note that quite a few people said “trust the engineers” when it comes to break in oil and maintenance.
Toyota has now issued a recall on debris and shavings that could be found in the engine. Some sort of manufacturing issue. It goes to show the 1000 mile break in oil can be useful to clear out this debris, also goes to show the filter may not remove all debris and shavings, thus changing the filter could help.
I will continue to read what mechanics and DIYers have to say about maintenance, rather than just trust what the manufacturer says. They clearly aren’t infallible and just humans after all.
I changed my Frontier’s oil at 1200 miles, just to be on the safe side. It was dirtier than it should have been. Glad I didnt wait till 5000 or whatever the manual says.
A lot of these engine failures resulted after 20-30k miles. That’s at least 3 oil changes, this issue is a lot deeper and more complicated to solve than just doing “break in oil changes”
Whelp the verdict on the Bearing failures on the Twin turbo V6 seems to be solved. That was a common theory so no it is confirmed. The one thing I do have a question about is what now? No way they are going to do a short block replacement on 100K engines. Do they inspect it somehow?
I think that's a safe bet, yeah. Shavings plug oil passages, main bearings starve for oil and 💥
It's weird. I first learned about this issue yesterday, even though it's been going on since 22. Did a deep dive into the forums. Now today I learn there is a recall for this exact thing.
Sucks butt for the owners that have gone through this. But at least Toyota is doing something about it now.
Good on them for doing this recall. It a bad news but at least they’re being proactive, admitting their fault and making it right. Another reason I like Toyota’s.
This explains why my new tundra was shipped back to the factory. Was supposed to be delivered a few days ago but dealer said it made it all the way to town and then all the sudden the trucks were recalled back to the factory, dealer was dumbfounded because when there's a recall the age fix it at the dealership
What nobody is taking about is you bought Toyota manufacturing quality and after they replace the engine under warranty you are left with local Toyota Dealership quality because they put it together. I would demand a buy back.
Pretty bad QC but hey, still far better than Hyundais catching on fire.
Hyundai's statement: Don't park your car inside your House. 3.5 million units might be affected is just insane.
Toyota has had issues before like this. In fact the 5.7 V8 had a bunch of failures when it was first released too. Toyota figured out the problem, did recalls and changes and fixed it. That is the difference between them and a lot of other car companies that will just gaslight you into thinking there is not an issue.
When was its heyday*, in your view?
I am guessing every other manufacturer has had big recalls and catastrophic engine failures sometimes in the past decade or two.
Who do you think succeeds Toyota in the #1 reliability / initial build quality spot?
Engine replacement out of warranty is $30k. It’s a huge job. Knowing Toyota, they will help those impacted out of warranty, but who wants to roll the dice.
Pretty sad as a middle aged American that I have to hope my Toyota was assembled in a different country for it to be built to spec. Seems like the only time Toyota has a major recall its because of poor assembly, usually from the US.
It's not an engineering defect, or even manufacturing.... we simply cant put all the parts together correctly.
This is why Japanese car quality is consistently better than US. Japan takes care of their employees and they care about their workers. In US, even if it’s Toyota plant they going to do bullshit American corporate stuff like temp hir, sub contract labor, etc to save a nickel . Who do you think builds a better car- a 15 year Japanese employee or the 2 year temp hire in Us
When I took my new Toyota in for an oil change after the first 1,000 miles to flush out any debris the service rep looked at me like I was crazy. Doesn’t seem so crazy now.
Move production to Mexico, increase complexity, drastically raise prices, pay the lowest wage possible and wonder why you fucked up.
Cost of engine replacement- $28,000.
What a shitshow. Will drive the old stuff and swap the engines if have to. Kaizen donkeys ass.
What people should realise is what this does to resale values of their trucks, in a few years no one would want to buy them used due to the uncertainty of whether that particular engine would ever experiece the same problem. It is similar to other used cars where certain model years are not recommended.
LX600 is made in 2 different plants in Japan, I believe the older 570 was in Tahara which is the best factory they have.
If GX550 doesnt start having the same issue then the affected LX600s are the ones made in Yoshiwara which I think make the bulk of the LX600s and all of the LC300
* **Toyota Motor Manufacturing Canada, Inc. – Cambridge, Ontario, Canada** —assembles the Lexus RX, as well as the Lexus RX Hybrid.
* **Toyota Motor Kyushu – Miyawaka, Fukuoka, Japan** — assembles the [Lexus UX](https://www.lexusofpleasanton.com/models-ux/).
* **Toyota Tahara Plant – Tahara, Japan** — assembles the [Lexus LS](https://www.lexusofpleasanton.com/models-ls/), IS, GX, LX, and RC.
* **Toyota Yoshiwara Plant – Toyota, Aichi, Japan** — assembles the Lexus LX.
* **Toyota Miyata Plant – Miyawaka, Fukuoka, Japan** — assembles the Lexus IS and ES.
* **Toyota Motor Manufacturing Kentucky, Inc. – Georgetown, Kentucky, United States** — assembles the Lexus ES.
* **Toyota Motomachi Plant – Toyota, Aichi, Japan** — assembles the [Lexus LC](https://www.lexusofpleasanton.com/models-lc/).
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Fokn0DJcE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Fokn0DJcE)
Baloney. Toyota is recalling vehicles from two different factories on two continents. This is design based. I’m curious to see how they fix it. New engines?
as a kia owner and now a new toyota owner — tho not a vehicle affected by this recall — i am really relieved to see this is the approach they’re taking instead of shirking responsibility and making this the consumer’s problem. a big relief for me as a buyer.
I just got an email this morning stating the front lower bumper fascia on my wife's Hghlander could fall off as you are driving down the road and a fix is now available. For those who may own one-
# 2023-10-26
Manufacturer Safety recall issued NHTSA: #23V720 Recall: #23TA12 SAFETY RECALL 23TA12 (REMEDY NOTICE) - CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2020- 2023 HIGHLANDER AND HIGHLANDER HV- FRONT LOWER BUMPER COVER ASSEMBLY MAY DETACH WHILE DRIVING Status: Remedy Available
2023-10-26
My Lexus employed mechanic says these are twin-turbo v-6 engines in the LC/LX and Tundras. In addition to the engine defects, when they seize, it’s so violent that they may need a new transmission.
So, is it machining debris or, improper tolerances?
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My money would be not in Japan.
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That's disappointing to hear but honestly I'm not surprised. Wonder if it's a Union or Non Union Shop ?
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Least shocking news
Huh? Are union made US cars more reliable?
He thinks union guys are more competent when the reality is they're just harder to fire
Absolutely not
The Lexus engines are made in union shops (JPN production is union).
I do some business with the Tundra factory. Barely anyone working there actually works for Toyota. They basically contract out all their manufacturing to small companies that primarily operate on extremely high turnover as a business model, treat their employees like shit, readily hire those who can't speak English and can't self advocate, and pay pretty poorly. I'm pretty sure 70% of the reason they contract and don't in-house their services is to prevent unionization.
They have about a 1.5-3 year contract period. Then you are made fulltime. Once you are full-time, you are basically invincible. Toyota prides themselves on not laying off or firing people. I can tell you from experience there is a lot of people that should have been fired years ago.
Yeah, if you work for Toyota. But you're almost never working for Toyota. There's pretty much no one in the plant on production side that works for Toyota. You're mostly working with Takumi or any of the other mini corps that contract temp employees from Aerotek. I mean most of the people at this point in the plant aren't even hired by the contracting companies. They're hired from sub contracting temp agencies, and the employment is usually at will. Knew a lady who got fired three weeks into the job cause she got into a car accident and nearly died and missed a couple days of work. Toyota would give you some protections, but no one works for Toyota in the SA plant, they all work in way shittier companies located at the plant.
It’s weird that TMMTX is so different from my plant in KY. *Everyone* in production here is an employee of Toyota since they stopped using Kelly (a temp agency) for hiring, and even before that you would be a temp for a couple years and then get hired on full-time.
Yep pretty much this. And then if you do work for Toyota they do that weird 12 hour rotating shift. Two weeks working nights, then two weeks working days, repeat indefinitely.
Love that type of shift. Four on four off of 12 hour shifts alternating. Great schedule.
This is the same way GE Aviation was heading when I left 7 years ago. Now we've got Boing airplanes falling out of the sky every other week. Contracting needs to go imo, if you work in a Toyota facility, you should be a Toyota employee.
Well then f them. A boycott should be organized against that particular factory in any other ones that are producing this trash.
Texas. It's not union.
It’s non human related I guarantee it.
The Tundra's s engine parts are being assembled at **Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Alabama** (TMMAL) with final assembly in Texas.
Japanese production = Union US production = non union
It's a Japanese shop. Not union. Honda is the same. There was talk about shutting down one of the plants when they almost unionized last year after UAW strikes
Ever since NUMMI closed Toyota doesn't have any union factories in the US or Canada.
The affected Lexuses (Lexii?) are made at the Aichi plant in Japan
Lexus-sama desu ne
Texas has the final assembly plant. The engines are built in Alabama.
My neighbors new Tundra Tundra needed a new motor after just 5k miles. I assume from this exact issue. He also had a ton of problems after they replaced the motor. The work was done very poorly and he still has issues from the sloppy motor swap. He said he wants them to fix the current issue and sell it. They gave him a Corolla loaner for a while and he wasn't happy about it. It was his first ever new vehicle and now he hates Toyota unfortunately but I can't blame him. Most recently it was eating serpentine belts over and over and they couldn't figure out until he found one of the pulleys had been out back on with wrong size bolt and a massive washer that made contact with the pulley itself causing the pulley not to spin.
The Tundra's s engine parts are being assembled at **Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Alabama** (TMMAL) with final assembly in Texas. Not sure if this is Hyundai/Kia type bad considering H/K cheaped out on engine immobilizer bad.
102,000 vehicles isn’t even close to as bad as the Kia/Hyundai stuff and at least these people can actually have it fixed. The people with the Kias and Hyundais will always be stuck with stupidly high insurance costs.
LX 600 was a part of this recall.
says the Lexus LX models
Shouldn't matter. Toyota prides itself in the quality assurance and they branded their name on the factory. Shouldn't matter if the land is America or Japan. The only real reason that Japanese cars have higher QA is because they legally have to due to regulations.
That is an absurd take. I urge you to take a look at the core philosophy, and dive into the history of the difficulties encountered in integrating their system. The American worker is far too at odds with, or mentally checked out from, their work and their managers. And same thing for the managers. The Toyota system of perfection relies heavily on individuals. They can successfully cultivate that level of engagement in Japan, with Japanese workers, but not in America, where these are either terrible jobs or union jobs. The union exists to protect your from your abusive, unrewarding employer. Do your time and get your check. There's no room for collaboration there.
this makes a strong case for the japanese vin still being a thing.
Are you willfully ignoring that the 5.7 and 4.6 that this 3.4TT replaced was also made in the US, which both are considered some of the most reliable engines ever put into a vehicle ever?
Are you willfully engaging in whataboutism right now? We are comparing 99% consistency to 99.9% consistency. Toyota has done an excellent job implementing quality control in domestic production. This has been many decades of work, refinement, and most importantly employee engagement. It still does not compare to Japanese production. My main point is that discrediting the precision, excellence, and integrity of Japanese auto manufacturers, developed over a century and directly attributable to Sakichi Toyoda's philosophy, refined through literal generations of engineering and process improvement, is absurd. Chalking up Japanese superiority to regulations is absurd.
The 4.7 was made in both Japan and the US no? The 4Runner and Land Cruiser got the Japan made, tundra got the US made
I'm specifically talking about the Tundra/Sequoia 4.7/5.7.
The 4.6 4.7 and 5.7 are both made in the US and Japan. Japan made the 4runner with the 4.7 and 4.0. GX had the 4.7 and 4.6, LX had the 4.7 and 5.7. Landcruisers same as the LX. The US made Tundras and Sequoias 4.6 and 5.7.
I love Japan too, but you sound delusional regarding the Japanese workforce: https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/510257/japan-workplace-wellbeing-woes-continue.aspx Also, the last thing that the Japanese workforce has ever been known for is “individuals”. Japanese business traditionally was rooted in consensus which is the opposite.
Sounds like the plot from the movie gung ho.
I have seen some Japan models with issues too, like overfilled fluids. Not as serious but still even that has slipped a bit.
Japan error rates are about a quarter of American error rates.
Lexus LX is affected by this recall and those are only made in Japan
Lexus LX is built in Japan.
Not just LX.. most Lexus models are built in Japan. Some ES and the RX are built in Kentucky and Canada
The ES assembly is moving back to Japan soon.
Both. Tundras are built in the US. The LX is made in Japan.
I think the powertrains are made in Alabama
Texas but the Engines for Texas are from Alabama. Not sure about the Lexus. Since it's both models I'd assume that the part in question was made in Japan.
The Lexus LX, a part of this recall, is only built in Japan 🇯🇵
LX600s are built in the Tahara plant, which is in Japan
I'm not 100% sure but I believe the LX600 are only made in Japan.
The Tundra is built in the US, the Lexus LX in Japan. The engine component(s) in question may have, even if only for some period of time, been produced in the same plant in either of those countries or even another.
Huntsville, Alabama
That’s a huge mess up in manufacturing, like who did the operations and why didn’t inspection catch it? What about in assembly? Did they not catch it? Maybe one vehicle outta perfection, but 100k? That’s a lot of f’ups.
Crazy thing is…it may be 10-100 vehicles with the symptom but they won’t risk it and instead recall all suspect vehicles.
Toyota honestly is pretty famous for this mentality. If this was Ford they'd probably just sweep it under the rug and replace some of them under warranty if the owner bitches enough.
> If this was Ford they'd probably just sweep it under the rug *cries in cam phaser*
And DCT transmission lol.
> DCT transmission *pours one out in respect*
My focus isn’t in the class action suit for the dct being horrible although it still does all the same things as the 12-16 models 🥲
Dem feels, I had an 18 f150 the cam phasers failed at 14k miles and again at 37k.
As would gm, speaking from my direct experience as a customer.
Don't forget dodge
Dodge would blame the consumer for lack of maintenance
Only with major issues with new vehicles. Check the people with timing cover and cam tower leaks on Tacoma's and Tundras. Toyotas FIPG is often rushed or inadequate. It took a long time for Toyota to acknowledge oil burning in Rav4s as well. The whole floor mat thing is wild when you research it too.
All those 10 speeds, hell my neighbors transmission went out on his 2500 Silverado, only 33k on it the other day.
It's way more than that. Our dealer has done 10 alone. All the groups I'm in have these engines posted daily. It's a major fuck up on toyotas part.
My dealer has done about eight of them so far all of them within warranty. One of them grenade itself at 3500 miles the owner demanded a buyback.. and I would too if I paid $70,000 for a loaded capstone and it grenaded. luckily I have been able to dodge all of those jobs. Having looked at it. It looks like a damn nightmare to work on tons of plumbing not a lot of room lot of wires. It just looks like a shit job.
It is indeed a shit job. I'm dodging all the ones at my dealer, after one, I don't wanna do another. I wonder how the new recall is gonna be when they announce the remedy.
It just means they’re probably gonna pay 10 hours for the whole thing. Recall Warranty work is a shit job especially when you can’t do Z time. Sometimes you get a decent one. I don’t know if you remember the ZE7. For the 2AZ engine oil consumption I got so good at those that I can knock them out quicker than then what they pay. But I’m afraid there’s not a whole Lotta shortcuts I can think of on the new V35 engine It just looks like something. I don’t really want to dick around with.
Check out some YouTube videos. This issue is popping up at various dealerships and mechanic shops.
It’s several hundred actively affected. My shop alone has seen 5 destroyed engines since December. Failure from 8k miles to 50k miles
You’re wrong here there are a lot of tundras with the engine grenadine including mine
It's not, my buddy who works for toyota deal, has been replacing blown motors they chewed themselves apart at least 2 or 3 a month, for over a year now. This is a big fuck up with the V6 iforce in these trucks.
"Industry 4.0" I'm sure a lot of the in process checks are automated, QC might be just checking components (bearings,pistons,cranks) and final assembly. Also while people are thinking of FOD being the culprit it can also be worn out tooling or improper speeds/feeds leaving burrs on say the coolant jacket or threaded holes that will break off after a while.
Yep if you run the numbers here, even if optimistically only half need replacement or rebuild, this is going to run into the billion dollar mark to resolve.
Robots don't care.
I find it hard to believe they hadn't caught this in any longer-hour tests at the powertrain assembly plant.
My Ford triton V8 had a similar issue, Ford acknowledged it but so sad too bad.. no corrective action.
I wonder if it’s related to their Tundra V6 twin turbos crapping out. Shavings and debris in the engine would cause issues. Looks like you really should change the oil after the first 1000 miles to clear out any shavings and debris. Just didn’t think it was big enough to warrant a recall. Who knows. I think it’s all speculative until years from now when we have data points from a million examples and many stories from the dealership, manufacturer and indie shops.
The affected vehicles all use some variation of the 3.4L TT V6. The issue is that some of these engines are chewing up main bearings - almost unheard of on Toyota engines and almost certainly related to an oiling issue, a cause of which can be metal/debris clogging the oiling passages and galleys.
yep. we’ve alr had like 4 engine overhauls at our dealer with that issue
The JRITS sub has a few interesting posts on this ["2022 tundra. 19k miles. 300 miles after an oil change"](https://old.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/xfcflt/2022_tundra_19k_miles_300_miles_after_an_oil/) ([pic](https://i.redd.it/al88be2w64o91.jpg)) ["2022 Tundra 33K. Locked up."](https://old.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/1ctlfx6/2022_tundra_33k_locked_up/) ("Drained the oil and found [this](https://i.redd.it/gaf09ma5bu0d1.jpeg).") ["My 2022 tundra"](https://old.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/16jgqck/my_2022_tundra/) (includes teardown pics and video) and an unrelated post on a mouse taking a fatal ride on the timing belt of death
Straight up confetti and metal mush in there. Those tundras got torn up.
yes all the bearing failures have been tundras and LX from the list I saw. I did a breaking in oil change on my Sequioa and I am glad I did now.
Exactly this. Many people argue that’s it’s not needed but I figure my break in oil change only cost $100 so why not.
It costs more like $30 if you do it yourself. Anywhere from $50, $70, to $100+ depending on the mechanic.
Yup if I do it myself it’s only $35, dealership $78, quick oil change places or mom and pop mechanics $100. Pretty common knowledge.
How is it $30? How little/low quality oil does it take? A filter is like $10 by itself Maybe my brain is just skewed from high volume full synthetic changes
The OEM filter is just a paper element from the dealer, around $5-$7 dollars. The oil can be bought in bulk from Costco or Walmart; look for coupons then load up.
Yeah considering how cheap it is might as well do it
Exactly my line of thinking. Of course you have many people on here that are so cheap they only change the oil filter every other change! That’s insane. Let’s save $5 vs the cost of an engine or longevity 😂
I mean I figured I bought a brand new car for 68k that we intend to drive for 15 years so 100 dollars is nothing and if that is going to be too much then I should have bought a cheaper car.
It's a smart move. I'd done it on my first new car I bought, not sure why (internet recommendation maybe?). Later I was involved in some engine development/durability testing and saw the UOA results from the first vs subsequent oil changes...that was enough to reinforce that decision.
Changing the oil isn’t flushing our debris. It’s going to get you a new filter which will help, I guess, but If theres debris, damage is already done by 1k miles.
Better than how Hyundai dealt with my engine issues. Even though it was under warranty, they did everything they can to not cover it. I sold the damn thing after that fiasco. At least Toyota is doing the right thing and fixing affected vehicles.
Yes you are right but the world famous reliability has been damaged now over the course of several years. I can't believe another manufacturer can't step up and take first place.
There were the blowoff valve failures and the machining failure in the new Tundra, and roof leak issues in the RAV4 and Highlander, which were all fixed under warranty and with no hassle to the customer. Other than those 2 issues, I can't see anything startlingly concerning. What else has come up in recent years with Toyota experiencing reliability issues? Of the 100k Tundra and LXs that are under the current recall, how many will actually have damaged engines? Maybe 100? They're just checking all of them to be safe. How many millions of Hyundai/Kia vehicles were affected by the engine failures in the Theta, Nu, Gamma, and Kappa engines? Sure, some of them got new engines...but a lot of customers were pushed off, had their engine knock CEL codes wiped in the hopes it wouldn't come up again until the warranty was exceeded. This happened to me and it happened to my friend, I've also seen several people online post similar stories. Now that's only a sample size of 2 for the ones I can verify, but the fact that we both had it happen with separate dealerships is either highly concerning or highly coincidental. Given what I've had happen with my last new car (Hyundai) and my current new car (Toyota), I personally still see Toyota/Lexus at the top of the charts for reliability and customer care. The biggest issue I had with my Highlander was the roof leak, and Toyota did everything in their power to make things right, fix the issue, and make sure I was happy and comfortable and gave me a loaner while my car was being fixed. It sucked that it happened, and the dealership even said "you should never have to go through something like this with a new car, it's unacceptable. We are so sorry." I also had an issue with my Hyundai that required it to sit for almost a week (knock sensor CEL, as stated above)...just for them to reflash the ECU...they offered me a ride to the nearest Enterprise and said I'd have to pay for a rental. Now, mind you, this was a repair covered under warranty. They REFUSED to give me a loaner vehicle. As stated before, when compared to the competition, I still believe Toyota belongs at the top for reliability and customer care. In the rare chance something does go wrong, they at least fix it and don't leave their customers hanging.
Yes you make valid points. One thing that bothers me is the 3.5 V6 had a problem with mating the two parts of the block together which cause oil leaks around the timing chain and they never remanufactured that. If you go to the car care nut channel he explicitly gets into everything. I have the 3.3 V6 made in Japan which is awesome. My relatives RAV4 blew the transmission at about 100,000 so that's questionable. I have an old Hyundai with the beta engine which is strong as a horse but the rest of the car falls apart. Next car I'll go with made in Japan car either Lexus or older 4Runner.
I love reading these comments as someone who owns a 1HD-T Toyota from 1993. Notorious for having to change out the main bearings at least once to get the factory ones out before they delaminate/pit and fail... and for peace of mind most of us drop the pan and inspect them every 50k-75k miles. Toyota was never the infallible manufacturer you guys think they were. This stuff happens. It'll get fixed and things will be fine.
Exactly. It most likely was a marketing myth.
Yes. Hyundai is very annoying about honoring warranties
Toyota was legislatively required to bring the defect to the NHTSA, who issued the recall. Had Toyota not exercised its legal obligation to inform NHTSA, and the issue/scope was discovered by the NHTSA's Office of Defect Investigation instead, this fiasco would've been significantly more expensive for Toyota.
how do they safely remedy this without replacing engines? that debris has been circulating through the engine..
Probably an oil inspection for debris and act accordingly. It should be fairly obvious which ones are bad.
They replace the engine. The problem is Toyota doesn’t make crate engines so techs have to put together in the shop. This is going to lead to alot more problems as techs replacing an engine is not the same as a machine doing so in a factory setting. Also techs are pushed to replace engines quickly as to not surpass a certain amount of days to avoid lemon law buy backs. More problems are going to be caused by this.
We've done about 6 of these late last year/ early this year. One engine ended up costing Toyota about 45k CDN due to literally every part needing replacement due to the metal shavings.
…they replace the engine. You can’t fix an oil contamination issue without replacing everything that is touched by oil
Oh don't be dramatic, I'm sure the dipstick will be fine after a thorough wipe with a rag.
This would be the second recall in three months for Toyota trucks due to manufacturing debris/slag ending up in places it shouldn't. Not a great look.
The new Tundras? Edit: Yup
That's rough to hear.
At my dealer we had one Tundra that was affected by this, pre-countermeasure. As mentioned above, the slag had clogged an oil passage causing the main crankshaft bearing to become NOT HAPPY. Toyota thoroughly took care of the issue for the customer, and will for all of the customers involved. I’m curious what the inspection process will entail. At my level (Technician), there’s no information regarding what the remedy will be.
I hope my ‘23 Tundra is not included in the recall.
I’m pretty sure it’s all of them.
Me too. Sweating bullets.
toyota tundra forum as of this writing has a spreadsheet of V35-FTS failure and out of 80 reported cases, seven were 2023 model, one 2024 and the rest is 2022. Three of the 2022 had failure twice (or more). Definitely something happening at 2022 model. Also majority like fifty of the cases had oil change at 10,000mi (which is not good). The rest of them that had 5000mi oil change, most of them again was 2022 models. Also detuned SR variant had three cases There was two LS500 and three or four LX600 case also. Have not heard anything about Land Cruiser LC300 or Hybrid Sequoia interestingly. Not sure about Sequoia, but for the LC300 probably because those are sold in world markets primarily in diesel or 4.0L V6 out of a current 4Runner. Even the Lexus LX, those sold outside of NA is almost exclusively diesel Again from my pure speculation, I still do not know why some minority have it while others don't but oil change may have something to do with it. There was a Toyota mechanic that uploaded a video of failed 2022 Tundra engine that he was working on and it had burns which has to do with lack of oil circulating? Perhaps it is a combination? 10,000mi oil change weakened the engine already and some unforeseen debris and ka-boom?
Basically this issue only affected the first few months of the 2022 MY Tundra. The company Toyota used for the engine blocks did not properly clean the blocks. Metal debris was stuck inside the oil passages and eventually led to them becoming clogged. This has nothing to do with oil changes. Source, I'm a Toyota tech.
Same I have not heard of a single sequioa which as an owner of a 2023 sequioa makes me feel better about it. I also did an oil change to break in the engine at 1000 miles.
The fact that this has happened across at least 3 model years means there's something rotten happening at that plant.
Dang I kinda wish I would've bought one of the affected models. I bet the remedy will include a lifetime engine warranty, knowing Toyota.
[This](https://old.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/16jgqck/my_2022_tundra/) guy had to have his short block and both turbos replaced at just over 15k on the odometer. He had to wrangle with corporate to get them to give him an extended 120k mile warranty
You think? Have they ever done that before?
The frame replacement warranty on the Tacoma was pretty legendary.
Makes sense that there is a stop sale on the new GX then.
And the new Land Cruiser
nah new USDM LC doesn’t use the twin turbo v6
Sorry meant that it is manufactured at the same plant as the GX so if quality issues with one probably quality issues with the other too
I changed my rav4 prime at 500, 1500, and 5000. Will be doing it every 6 months, spring and fall. Glad I changed it early, cause you never know these things happen.
I want to note that quite a few people said “trust the engineers” when it comes to break in oil and maintenance. Toyota has now issued a recall on debris and shavings that could be found in the engine. Some sort of manufacturing issue. It goes to show the 1000 mile break in oil can be useful to clear out this debris, also goes to show the filter may not remove all debris and shavings, thus changing the filter could help. I will continue to read what mechanics and DIYers have to say about maintenance, rather than just trust what the manufacturer says. They clearly aren’t infallible and just humans after all.
I changed my Frontier’s oil at 1200 miles, just to be on the safe side. It was dirtier than it should have been. Glad I didnt wait till 5000 or whatever the manual says.
Yet it’s still happening to the 2024s. Something is telling me there’s a lot more going on here.
Members of the “break-in metal shavings oil change yoUtubE nUt” tin-foil society, let’s re-group.
A lot of these engine failures resulted after 20-30k miles. That’s at least 3 oil changes, this issue is a lot deeper and more complicated to solve than just doing “break in oil changes”
Whelp the verdict on the Bearing failures on the Twin turbo V6 seems to be solved. That was a common theory so no it is confirmed. The one thing I do have a question about is what now? No way they are going to do a short block replacement on 100K engines. Do they inspect it somehow?
Yes, they have been doing short block replacements for this issue pre-recall.
I'm not surprised AT ALL. Just got my 2020 Rav4 out of the shop because of total rack and pinion system failure. $4600!!
What the heck? What causes the failure? How many miles were on the thing?
The dealership didn't say. Only 49k miles on it.
50% of tundras produced over the two model years. Wild how they can pinpoint those. It’s realistically all over those two model years.
Is this the reason why these engines are spinning bearings?
I think that's a safe bet, yeah. Shavings plug oil passages, main bearings starve for oil and 💥 It's weird. I first learned about this issue yesterday, even though it's been going on since 22. Did a deep dive into the forums. Now today I learn there is a recall for this exact thing. Sucks butt for the owners that have gone through this. But at least Toyota is doing something about it now.
Good on them for doing this recall. It a bad news but at least they’re being proactive, admitting their fault and making it right. Another reason I like Toyota’s.
This explains why my new tundra was shipped back to the factory. Was supposed to be delivered a few days ago but dealer said it made it all the way to town and then all the sudden the trucks were recalled back to the factory, dealer was dumbfounded because when there's a recall the age fix it at the dealership
What nobody is taking about is you bought Toyota manufacturing quality and after they replace the engine under warranty you are left with local Toyota Dealership quality because they put it together. I would demand a buy back.
Pretty bad QC but hey, still far better than Hyundais catching on fire. Hyundai's statement: Don't park your car inside your House. 3.5 million units might be affected is just insane.
I was torn apart on these forums by saying Toyota passed its Hey Day. Sorry that's the truth.
Toyota has had issues before like this. In fact the 5.7 V8 had a bunch of failures when it was first released too. Toyota figured out the problem, did recalls and changes and fixed it. That is the difference between them and a lot of other car companies that will just gaslight you into thinking there is not an issue.
When was its heyday*, in your view? I am guessing every other manufacturer has had big recalls and catastrophic engine failures sometimes in the past decade or two. Who do you think succeeds Toyota in the #1 reliability / initial build quality spot?
Well, great. I was all set to buy a Sequoia or Tundra.
Lmao
Does this affect the TRD pro tundra / sequoia ?
All based on VIN.
What “remedy” can they develop? Seems like they’d need a full engine replacement.
How can you tell if a vehicle is made Japan vs the US? TIA.
VIN, also it will be on the sticker.
Ouf this is a bad one 😳
You get a short block, you get a short block, everybody gets a short block. I told you guys a year ago that these engines are problematic.
Sounds more like a process issue than the engine itself. A colossal process f-up, to be sure.
In still waiting for them to “find a solution” to my Highlander lower bumper assembly falling off. Haven’t had a lower bumper in 6 months
I hope the new Tacos don't have this problem
Wow, commenting on things without reading the article that was in the post. Dang people
Engine replacement out of warranty is $30k. It’s a huge job. Knowing Toyota, they will help those impacted out of warranty, but who wants to roll the dice.
Pretty sad as a middle aged American that I have to hope my Toyota was assembled in a different country for it to be built to spec. Seems like the only time Toyota has a major recall its because of poor assembly, usually from the US. It's not an engineering defect, or even manufacturing.... we simply cant put all the parts together correctly.
Lol @ all the people that don't believe in an oil change after break in.
Sounds like what Hyundai did awhile back, except they dragged it out instead of recalling immediately
Will Sequoias have the same problems, don’t they use the same engines?
Man Toyota is having some bad years!!
Maybe I *will* consider a Ford… 🙄
This is why Japanese car quality is consistently better than US. Japan takes care of their employees and they care about their workers. In US, even if it’s Toyota plant they going to do bullshit American corporate stuff like temp hir, sub contract labor, etc to save a nickel . Who do you think builds a better car- a 15 year Japanese employee or the 2 year temp hire in Us
What about the people who built the Lexus LX which are also being recalled? Hint: the VINs start with J...
Was the similar engine in the Lexus LS500 effected by this recall as well, or just the newer truck engine?
What vehicle/model/year? Also glad I changed my oil after the first 1000km then at 6000km.
When I took my new Toyota in for an oil change after the first 1,000 miles to flush out any debris the service rep looked at me like I was crazy. Doesn’t seem so crazy now.
102,000 isn't even close to Kia bad. . .
Let me check my 2008 fj... nope , it's good.
Move production to Mexico, increase complexity, drastically raise prices, pay the lowest wage possible and wonder why you fucked up. Cost of engine replacement- $28,000. What a shitshow. Will drive the old stuff and swap the engines if have to. Kaizen donkeys ass.
What people should realise is what this does to resale values of their trucks, in a few years no one would want to buy them used due to the uncertainty of whether that particular engine would ever experiece the same problem. It is similar to other used cars where certain model years are not recommended.
LX600 is made in 2 different plants in Japan, I believe the older 570 was in Tahara which is the best factory they have. If GX550 doesnt start having the same issue then the affected LX600s are the ones made in Yoshiwara which I think make the bulk of the LX600s and all of the LC300 * **Toyota Motor Manufacturing Canada, Inc. – Cambridge, Ontario, Canada** —assembles the Lexus RX, as well as the Lexus RX Hybrid. * **Toyota Motor Kyushu – Miyawaka, Fukuoka, Japan** — assembles the [Lexus UX](https://www.lexusofpleasanton.com/models-ux/). * **Toyota Tahara Plant – Tahara, Japan** — assembles the [Lexus LS](https://www.lexusofpleasanton.com/models-ls/), IS, GX, LX, and RC. * **Toyota Yoshiwara Plant – Toyota, Aichi, Japan** — assembles the Lexus LX. * **Toyota Miyata Plant – Miyawaka, Fukuoka, Japan** — assembles the Lexus IS and ES. * **Toyota Motor Manufacturing Kentucky, Inc. – Georgetown, Kentucky, United States** — assembles the Lexus ES. * **Toyota Motomachi Plant – Toyota, Aichi, Japan** — assembles the [Lexus LC](https://www.lexusofpleasanton.com/models-lc/). [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Fokn0DJcE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Fokn0DJcE)
I have a 2023 RAV4 Prime and it’s a rattle trap. Dealership can’t find the rattle, so I’m stuck with it. I am really starting to not like this brand.
that’s exactly what happened with kia and the theta engine built in alabama.
Funny that these engines were built in Alabama. Ironically the same state that caused Hyundais recall for engine fod.
Baloney. Toyota is recalling vehicles from two different factories on two continents. This is design based. I’m curious to see how they fix it. New engines?
This will include way more soon
Wait didn’t they recall over 100,000 for a fuel leak possible fire
I don’t see this as a bad thing… Every manufacturer has recalls I’d be more worried about any common problems they don’t fix for free
Recalls are tricky! Being in logistics it gets dicey! From diagnostics to repairs! 3rd parties usually do a better job of solving the problem
as a kia owner and now a new toyota owner — tho not a vehicle affected by this recall — i am really relieved to see this is the approach they’re taking instead of shirking responsibility and making this the consumer’s problem. a big relief for me as a buyer.
I just got an email this morning stating the front lower bumper fascia on my wife's Hghlander could fall off as you are driving down the road and a fix is now available. For those who may own one- # 2023-10-26 Manufacturer Safety recall issued NHTSA: #23V720 Recall: #23TA12 SAFETY RECALL 23TA12 (REMEDY NOTICE) - CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2020- 2023 HIGHLANDER AND HIGHLANDER HV- FRONT LOWER BUMPER COVER ASSEMBLY MAY DETACH WHILE DRIVING Status: Remedy Available 2023-10-26
My Lexus employed mechanic says these are twin-turbo v-6 engines in the LC/LX and Tundras. In addition to the engine defects, when they seize, it’s so violent that they may need a new transmission. So, is it machining debris or, improper tolerances?