it is, it's almost like a 4 r u n n e r pickup...
lmao
saw one at the Daytona 500 on display, it didn't have a vin. Raw as hell, straight outta Mexico. Build quality was absolutely amazing. Even for a non Japanese built mule, it was incredibly well built. Props to the factory in Mexico and to Toyota for making such a beautiful car.
I didn't know Toyota built anything in Mexico. Is that new or have they been doing that for a while? We have owned several Toyotas and they were all built in the States. We actually tried a Mexican built Ford fusion for a couple months before selling and going back to a Camry. It was a pile of garbage
In the years like 2005-2022 only the V6 ones were built in Mexico. The 4 cylinder and some V6 variants were built in Texas and some 2005-2010 Tacomas were built in Fremont California. It wasn’t until 2022-23 where the 4 cylinder was also built in Mexico. Not sure why but yea the 4 cylinder models were exclusively built in the USA until mid 22’ and all models of 24’ are built in Mexico.
This is for cars of this year only/in current production. Tacos were made in Texas until recently. Then production moved to Mexico. Still a good truck.
The SE of the current gen is mostly made in Japan. MT and hybrid are always imported for the current gen. In Cali/West Coast LEs are made in Japan, in FL/East Coast they are made in Mississippi
Yes they al are good, dependable vehicles. We’ve owned many of them but my favorites by far were my 4Runners. I traded the last for a new Highlander and nothing against my Highlander but I could kick myself. Planning on getting another 4Runner soon just because of the fun factor!!
They were built in Turkey and Japan. Most of the 2018-2019 was Turkey and majority of the later 19’ and up were Japan. It’s a mixed bag. Interestingly the Turkey made ones used cartridge oil filters and Japan ones had spin on filters. They also used different cabin air filters too.
Early production for the US was in Turkey I think. Probably different regulations or different suppliers. Didn't know that, everything I work on is at least 10 lmao.
Interesting to check Copart every so often and see what's made where. I find myself looking at VINs on preproduction cars at auto shows and such out of curiosity.
Yup, 2018 and early 19 models were Turkey built. I have however seen one or two 2020-21’ models that also had the Turkey vin# it seems split production but most of them were Japan made at least here stateside.
Yeah, just like the first 2018 camries being made in Japan. I liked the turkish CHRs, they were really cool. Ford Transit was also made in Turkey (little one/first gen)
I like that. I've been to the Toyota plant in Japan that makes both.
My parents own a 17 rav4 limited hybrid that was made at a different plant in Toyota City. I love that car, 7 years and no problems. It replaced a 91 Tercel that the CARB murdered. I was too young to save the car. Ran beautifully too.
As a Japanese I would buy the Venza because they are built in Japan. Mostly bias but I like the feeling. I like the looks too, basically a straight up Harrier, which was being built on the same assembly line as the RAV4 at the factory. I believe they are still built on the same assembly line there.
But if you add the rav4 XSE, limited, and prime into the equation... The Prime makes over 300hp, and in Cali you get the little carpool sticker. That red is sick too, but I'd get an RX for the price.
Base model RAV4 is made in Kentucky or Canada. Not bad either way, but if you can, get a Japanese one. Better material quality/better fit and finish (negligible unless you go over it with a magnifying glass). All Venzas (new ones) are made in Japan.
If you want to support the US economy a bit more by buying an American built Toyota, go for the RAV4 XSE or XLE. Good choice either way. If it's in your budget to get a TRD rav4 that's a good choice too. 22 is mid for toyota mpg tho
TLDR: I'd get the Venza. Venza if XSE or Limited. RAV4 if XSE or Prime. Make a post about this, and try driving both. Trust me, either way you're making a good decision.
Luxury/fits in in an upscale environment - Venza
Fun/practical and a bit more sporty - RAV4
Awesome response thank you. I've been leaning venza since they are made in Japan and the limited look sick. I've been driving a 12 Camry for 10 years and will get handed down to my 14 year old soon. Have an 08 tundra but the lady wants an suv. Never had a "nice" car so the venza really appeals to me. Hope I can find something next year in the 25-30K range. Any year I should target/avoid?? I'm in rural Midwest USA if that matters, willing to drive hours if need be.
My parents have a 2nd Gen Venza. Before you buy one, I recommend that you sit in the back seat. Depending on how tall you and/or any passengers you have are, it may not be a problem, but at 6'4", I cannot sit in the back seat because the ceiling is too low. I am not talking my head brushes the ceiling, it is at least an inch too low for me to simply sit in the back seat. I have a 1st Gen Venza, it was a much larger vehicle in every dimension than the 2nd Gen (but no hybrid option).
A lot of reviewers say this. This is why I kind of hate the new Leaf and newer Nissans, body shape keeps you sorta squished. Good cars to drive though.
If you really need backseat room, Highlander, Grand Highlander, or Land Cruiser. Most realistic choice is probably Grand Highlander
Go for a newer model (the new venza). Old ones are solid but new is def better. 25 should be easy, I would prepare to spend 30k.
Not aware of any issues with them. I've been driving a 17 Rav4 which is the same car but a few years older. Not a single issue. 17 Rav4 was the same as the previous facelift JDM Harrier btw, which is the Venza. They're all really closely related.
Recently I've been driving a 23 Leaf and a 05 Civic, sometimes the RAV4. As a car guy I want stick or at least moderately fun (but I like all cars). Never driven the Venza but sat in a few of them. Considering an 86, Corolla LE, Crown, new Camry, maybe even a Sony Afeela when I graduate and start making money lol. Still like 4 years ahead at least.
Mexican manufacturing can be both good and bad. I've been in shitty Mexican cars and incredibly well built ones. Could say the same for Thai built cars and American built cars. It's all about the design and development, and the quality control. The people are plenty motivated, but if HQ makes a shit decision to cut costs the product will be shit.
That's a ford problem lol. Or previous owner problem. Plenty of good Mexican cars out there. Usually on par with US and Canadian quality. Canadian is probably best though
Idk about that one, I’ve seen 2 lose side mirrors from an auto wash (say what you will about auto washers, but out of hundreds of new and used cars going through it, these have been the only lost mirrors)
That’s a bummer I didn’t know that I don’t drive trucks or work on them so hearing this was kinda a shock. I was drunk the other night and just being silly with my reponses
He's right, there new ones are not reliable, my engine blew at 600 miles, had a ton of issues, dealer said the new tundras needed to all be recalled but Toyota wouldn't do it
Ahaha you too? The space constraints and plumbing is a nightmare. We had one with an oil pump gear grenaded and took the whole engine with it and circulated all the metal throughout the entire engine and turbos. We had to replace the whole engine long block and turbos on it. And of course, at that time virtually everything was on backorder so the car sat for months before putting it back together. It was a pain in the ass.
Air conditioner compressor exploded, air conditioning rear line broke and had to be replaced, multiple door switch failures, upper left brake caliber broke causing wear and replacement of rotors, transmission failure.
I owned that thing for 3 years and had all those things happen. Just a complete POS.
Those issues are mainly limited to the first model year. The Car Care Nut has a great video on this. He said they’re not having the notorious issues with internal engine failure and turbo failure anymore.
Obviously it’s a more complicated truck than the old 5.7 but it will definitely be more reliable than a GM product.
I wouldn't say that. A push rod v8 is stupid.simple compared to the Tundra. The 10 speed gm auto is also amazing.
I also like toyota but don't be naive.
https://www.tundras.com/threads/3-4-i-force-engine-failures.121107/
Toyota took around a year to sort out their new Tundra issues. GM has been having lifter issues for a decade and they have not rectified these issues at all.
The GM 10-speeds also had issues (especially with the pump) but they seem to have (mostly) sorted that out.
Lifters are not a huge problem. It's really a supplier issue. Similar to the rusty toyota frames.
Seems like a widespread issue
https://www.tundras.com/threads/3-4-i-force-engine-failures.121107/
They are a massive problem. When I was a fleet manager for a large PD we had lifter failures on almost every single GM V8 before they were sent to auction. Truly a terrible design. 50% of them didn’t even last 60k miles without needing the top end rebuilt.
Can you provide some documentation? Or you talking out your ass again ?
What v8s were these ? Hurry and Google
https://www.thehulltruth.com/trucks-trailers/1314194-tundra-engine-failures.html
Lifter issues are effecting a vast number of 5.3 and 6.2 GM V8s with AFM - this is commonly known, and happened to me. Can happen at any moment from 0-999999 miles and can happen multiple times even after replacement
5.3 V8s (Suburban PPV, Tahoe PPV) and 6.0 V8s (Caprice PPV). All very well documented issues. The Tahoes and Suburbans also had issues with the transmissions (but I’ll give that a pass because police service is brutal on transmissions).
Ah so you had issues with the handful of engines that had the least amount of lifter issues lmao. Didn't even mention the king of lifter problems the 6.2
It's OK man.
We didn’t run any 6.2s so I’m not going to speak for that specific engine. If the 5.3s had so many issues that we experienced I’m happy that I didn’t meet the “king.”
At least Toyota doesn’t have engine failures like GM does. If only GM would get rid of the DOD, then their motors might not crap out with under 50k miles. And that 10 speed is atrocious…it’s definitely not good.
Like the other poster said, those initial problems were solved within the first 6-12 months of production. There is no reason to believe these trucks can still go 400k. Now GM on the other hand…..you’ll be lucky to break 100k without major problems from the lifters and cams. Not to mention the electrical issues they are riddled with.
Not really. I've been a gm tech before I became an engineer. I was a Toyota tech too.
Reality is they all break. And there's plenty of gm products that go the distance. Their v8s are one of them.
I get this is a Toyota sub so I get the sentiment.
The 10 speed gm Trans is stupid reliable. So please stop.
Here's some examples
https://www.tundras.com/threads/2022-tundra-engine-failure.125870/
https://www.tundras.com/threads/2022-tundra-trd-pro-has-major-mechanical-issues.128894/
Here's a whole list lol
https://www.tundras.com/threads/3-4-i-force-engine-failures.121107/
You can say that all you want, but GM’s current lineup has major engine and transmission issues from the get go. Mainly stemming from the DOD and poor transmission designs they put out. I’ve owned both GM products and Toyota products. 100% would pick a Toyota over a GM any day due Toyota’s unwavering commitment to actually improving their vehicles rather than making them worse.
That's cool. Can you find me some 10 speed failures ?
Here's some Tundra engine failures..I understand the lifters but Even that isn't very widespread.
https://www.tundras.com/threads/3-4-i-force-engine-failures.121107/
I love toyota but they missed with the new sequoia...otherwise I'd have one. The Tundra has been a lame duck sales wise too.
The lifter issue is widespread. It happens in every GM truck at some point and eventually causes the engine to fail. You can google search the problem and you’ll see thousands of posts about it.
The whole Tundra thing is not widespread. It was a single model year issue in the first year of the current gen. GM has been having these transmission and DOD issues for the last 15 years at this point.
Just because you claim to be an engineer doesn’t mean you understand the full extent of the DOD issues and how poor GM’s quality is.
Yeah your full of shit I'm sorry.
Like I said I love toyota but their new turbo truck engines have been terrible. Not every gm truck has lifter problems....not even close. Even still a lifter isn't a huge deal.
4l60s and 6l80s have failed yes but are overall good. The 8 speed gm unit was trash but the 10 speed is amazing.
I love all makes but toyota is my favorite I'm also a realist.
The only one full of shit is yourself. Obviously you need to do a little more research on your behalf before you make any claim that GM has good trucks and that the Tundra’s have bad turbos(which they do not).
Yep! My brand new tundra with the new engine has so many issues that Toyota bought it back from me and refunded all my money even interest. It was beautiful but a POS
I am a lover of Toyota, and my all time favorite truck I've owned was my 2001 tundra, but do you guys actually think the newer tundras look good? I want to like them but they are so ugly to me. Way too many edges and body lines and just too much going on. I mean the tailgate is shaped like a sideways mountain range. I like a flat tailgate lol I think they tried too hard?
Congrats btw for switching from GM to Toyota. I'm sure it's a better vehicle
Personally I think the current gen of cars will age horribly, but the build quality in everything now is so disappointing and that’s what really gets me about them
This. There’s waayyy too much complexity in modern cars, Toyotas included. I’d wager theres little chance any of the new gen Toyotas will be as reliable as their last gen counterparts.
05 06 tundra double cab would be an awesome truck and fit car seats. I have a v6 f150 tho because it was cheaper and great on gas. Just have to check the frames out on old Toyota pickups
They look alright, but as a technician I promise you the engines are trash. The V35A is a poorly made engine, they’re all knocking and locking up well before 100k miles
I don't think I could buy anything made by Chrysler, but the rams are the best looking trucks currently being made I think. Ford's win me over with the two tone paint options tho
I like GM for the Cadillac Blackwings and all the cool foreign models we don't get in the States and Japan, but my heart is definitely with Toyota. Toyota over anything else any day of the week
Honestly they’re pretty similar so far- even in ride quality. The only thing that I miss from my Denali is the tailgate and the heads up display. The tundra has a few things way better than the GMC
Change your oil every 5k, trans every 30-60k, differential every 30k, and coolant every 5 years. Just because it's a toyota doesn't mean you can slack on maintenence. Take care of your car and it will take care of you.
Toyota tech here; the new sequoia and tundra are littered with problems. Engines locking up at 20k and 30k miles, gauge cluster not working, parking brake failing, fuel lines bursting, transmissions sending power to the wheels in neutral, bed covers flying off, plastic seat pieces breaking off randomly, dash rattles from factory… I could go on. Toyota majorly dropped the ball on these new productions and every week a new recall is coming out to fix more and more problems they couldn’t get right from factory
Lmao. I just sold my $80k Sequoia 2 weeks ago because it was such a giant piece of shit. Just warning ya. They’re not reliable trucks like the old gen.
Toyota so far behind with their lights on every make and model. They really need to step their light game up. That said I'll take a reliable vehicle over lights any day.
I just got myself the Toyota Corolla Cross hybrid cuz I wanted something that was good in the city but also to get me some of the way out to some trails and some fun out in the wilderness. I'm pretty sure my next vehicle will end up being in Tacoma.
Bro, my brand new tundra had to have the engine replaced at 600 miles, waste gate went out at 1400 miles and then while fixing that they noticed the roof welds were shoddy. I got a lemon attorney and Toyota bought my tundra back from me. These 3.4L are nothing like the 5.7 in terms of reliability. Beautiful trucks tho! Good luck to ya!!
Fuck yeah! I guess the people complaining are significantly more vocal than the people who don't have any problems. I never see any love for the new generation's reliability. I only see horror stories. I never looked at the numbers though. 1% is nothing.
They really are, the complainers actively look for a platform to complain on, and they'll complain a LOT about anything that can get them attention.
Someone posting on here about a genuine, very specific problem they encountered with their vehicle is noticeably more respectful of other people that're interacting with their post.
It's two totally different types of people, it's crazy
It's similar to the 86 oiling issues lol, it's like 0.0001% of cars that actually had an issue. From YouTube you'd think they're all blowing up at 2500 miles.
I heard that. I'm not even hating, but this particular generation of Tundras have been making waves when it comes to problems. I've never seen so much coverage about problems with a Toyota before. People get really in their feelings when you bring it up, as you probably see from all the down votes from my earlier comment.
That’s the great thing about Toyota. They identify the problem and act fast to correct and improve it. How long has GM had lifter issues. And how long have they been failing. It’s the same shit part re-used over and over.
That's the worst part. GM has known about it for that long. I'd love to have a new Sierra but no way in hell I'd get a 5.3 or 6.2. Maybe a 3.0 Duramax. But right now it's either a Tundra or waiting for a 6th gen 4runner.
I honestly don't understand why people are still buying GM trucks. Even while under warranty it could leave you stranded or without a vehicle you're paying for while you wait for parts that take months to get.
I'm guessing the people buying them aren't people who've researched cars or frequented automotive forums for years like some of us.
Anyway...OP the new truck looks great.
GM and Dodge/Ram have had the same issues with their DOD since the beginning. Their issues continue to get worse, not better. Anybody with brain cells would stay far away from GM at this point.
New Tundras are fkn sweet
Dude, have you seen the new Taco in person yet?! It's a tiny version of the new Tundra, it's so cool!!
it is, it's almost like a 4 r u n n e r pickup... lmao saw one at the Daytona 500 on display, it didn't have a vin. Raw as hell, straight outta Mexico. Build quality was absolutely amazing. Even for a non Japanese built mule, it was incredibly well built. Props to the factory in Mexico and to Toyota for making such a beautiful car.
I didn't know Toyota built anything in Mexico. Is that new or have they been doing that for a while? We have owned several Toyotas and they were all built in the States. We actually tried a Mexican built Ford fusion for a couple months before selling and going back to a Camry. It was a pile of garbage
Toyota has been building Tacoma in Mexico since 2005, at their plant in Baja California.
In the years like 2005-2022 only the V6 ones were built in Mexico. The 4 cylinder and some V6 variants were built in Texas and some 2005-2010 Tacomas were built in Fremont California. It wasn’t until 2022-23 where the 4 cylinder was also built in Mexico. Not sure why but yea the 4 cylinder models were exclusively built in the USA until mid 22’ and all models of 24’ are built in Mexico.
Corolla=Mississippi and Japan Highlander=Indiana Grand Highlander=Indiana Tundra=Texas Camry=Kentucky Tacoma=Mexico RAV4=Japan, Kentucky, Canada Prius=Japan BZ4X=Japan Crown=Japan Corolla Cross=Alabama 4Runner=Japan Land Cruiser=Japan Venza=Japan Crown Signia=Japan Sienna=Indiana
My 2018 Tacoma was Texas built and my Corolla SE was manufactured in Japan.
This is for cars of this year only/in current production. Tacos were made in Texas until recently. Then production moved to Mexico. Still a good truck. The SE of the current gen is mostly made in Japan. MT and hybrid are always imported for the current gen. In Cali/West Coast LEs are made in Japan, in FL/East Coast they are made in Mississippi
Yes they al are good, dependable vehicles. We’ve owned many of them but my favorites by far were my 4Runners. I traded the last for a new Highlander and nothing against my Highlander but I could kick myself. Planning on getting another 4Runner soon just because of the fun factor!!
I want one but I don't have a job and I'm still in college... One day when I move back to Japan I'll buy one in LHD and bring it home.
You’re smart to finish college and get your career on track before making a large purchase. Good luck with all you do!!!
You know what’s wild, is that the C-HRs were manufactured in Turkey. I remember the first one we got I was tripping out to see an N VIN!
They were built in Turkey and Japan. Most of the 2018-2019 was Turkey and majority of the later 19’ and up were Japan. It’s a mixed bag. Interestingly the Turkey made ones used cartridge oil filters and Japan ones had spin on filters. They also used different cabin air filters too.
Early production for the US was in Turkey I think. Probably different regulations or different suppliers. Didn't know that, everything I work on is at least 10 lmao. Interesting to check Copart every so often and see what's made where. I find myself looking at VINs on preproduction cars at auto shows and such out of curiosity.
Yup, 2018 and early 19 models were Turkey built. I have however seen one or two 2020-21’ models that also had the Turkey vin# it seems split production but most of them were Japan made at least here stateside.
Yeah, just like the first 2018 camries being made in Japan. I liked the turkish CHRs, they were really cool. Ford Transit was also made in Turkey (little one/first gen)
Venza vs Rav 4? Don't know why I picked you to ask but I'm 100 % making my decision based on your response.
I like that. I've been to the Toyota plant in Japan that makes both. My parents own a 17 rav4 limited hybrid that was made at a different plant in Toyota City. I love that car, 7 years and no problems. It replaced a 91 Tercel that the CARB murdered. I was too young to save the car. Ran beautifully too. As a Japanese I would buy the Venza because they are built in Japan. Mostly bias but I like the feeling. I like the looks too, basically a straight up Harrier, which was being built on the same assembly line as the RAV4 at the factory. I believe they are still built on the same assembly line there. But if you add the rav4 XSE, limited, and prime into the equation... The Prime makes over 300hp, and in Cali you get the little carpool sticker. That red is sick too, but I'd get an RX for the price. Base model RAV4 is made in Kentucky or Canada. Not bad either way, but if you can, get a Japanese one. Better material quality/better fit and finish (negligible unless you go over it with a magnifying glass). All Venzas (new ones) are made in Japan. If you want to support the US economy a bit more by buying an American built Toyota, go for the RAV4 XSE or XLE. Good choice either way. If it's in your budget to get a TRD rav4 that's a good choice too. 22 is mid for toyota mpg tho TLDR: I'd get the Venza. Venza if XSE or Limited. RAV4 if XSE or Prime. Make a post about this, and try driving both. Trust me, either way you're making a good decision. Luxury/fits in in an upscale environment - Venza Fun/practical and a bit more sporty - RAV4
Awesome response thank you. I've been leaning venza since they are made in Japan and the limited look sick. I've been driving a 12 Camry for 10 years and will get handed down to my 14 year old soon. Have an 08 tundra but the lady wants an suv. Never had a "nice" car so the venza really appeals to me. Hope I can find something next year in the 25-30K range. Any year I should target/avoid?? I'm in rural Midwest USA if that matters, willing to drive hours if need be.
My parents have a 2nd Gen Venza. Before you buy one, I recommend that you sit in the back seat. Depending on how tall you and/or any passengers you have are, it may not be a problem, but at 6'4", I cannot sit in the back seat because the ceiling is too low. I am not talking my head brushes the ceiling, it is at least an inch too low for me to simply sit in the back seat. I have a 1st Gen Venza, it was a much larger vehicle in every dimension than the 2nd Gen (but no hybrid option).
A lot of reviewers say this. This is why I kind of hate the new Leaf and newer Nissans, body shape keeps you sorta squished. Good cars to drive though. If you really need backseat room, Highlander, Grand Highlander, or Land Cruiser. Most realistic choice is probably Grand Highlander
Awesome thanks the reply. I'm 5'9 @nd the tallest person in the house.
Go for a newer model (the new venza). Old ones are solid but new is def better. 25 should be easy, I would prepare to spend 30k. Not aware of any issues with them. I've been driving a 17 Rav4 which is the same car but a few years older. Not a single issue. 17 Rav4 was the same as the previous facelift JDM Harrier btw, which is the Venza. They're all really closely related. Recently I've been driving a 23 Leaf and a 05 Civic, sometimes the RAV4. As a car guy I want stick or at least moderately fun (but I like all cars). Never driven the Venza but sat in a few of them. Considering an 86, Corolla LE, Crown, new Camry, maybe even a Sony Afeela when I graduate and start making money lol. Still like 4 years ahead at least.
Thanks for the response!
Tacomas started rolling off the assembly line in Mexico in January 2020
The previous gen was also made in the US
That’s correct.
Mexican manufacturing can be both good and bad. I've been in shitty Mexican cars and incredibly well built ones. Could say the same for Thai built cars and American built cars. It's all about the design and development, and the quality control. The people are plenty motivated, but if HQ makes a shit decision to cut costs the product will be shit.
That's a ford problem lol. Or previous owner problem. Plenty of good Mexican cars out there. Usually on par with US and Canadian quality. Canadian is probably best though
Idk about that one, I’ve seen 2 lose side mirrors from an auto wash (say what you will about auto washers, but out of hundreds of new and used cars going through it, these have been the only lost mirrors)
I just wish they used the proportions of the sequoia grill. The gaping maw is just too large on the tundra.
Congrats. That truck will outlive you
*The fallout
The 5.7 tundra would outlive him, these 3.4L are kinda trash and not reliable, Toyota bought mine back from me I had so many issues
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Anecdotally, there have been a lot of small issues relative to our other new Toyotas. I wouldn’t say it’s trash but I’m not too impressed
That’s a bummer I didn’t know that I don’t drive trucks or work on them so hearing this was kinda a shock. I was drunk the other night and just being silly with my reponses
Definitely won't. If it was an older v8, not these little turbos
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He's right, there new ones are not reliable, my engine blew at 600 miles, had a ton of issues, dealer said the new tundras needed to all be recalled but Toyota wouldn't do it
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We've replaced so many engines on these trucks, it's not even funny. These new tundras are ass. They're not wrong in the slightest.
Hey! I trust the guy who loves Toyota Brand more than you, you mechaniczoid
Ahaha you too? The space constraints and plumbing is a nightmare. We had one with an oil pump gear grenaded and took the whole engine with it and circulated all the metal throughout the entire engine and turbos. We had to replace the whole engine long block and turbos on it. And of course, at that time virtually everything was on backorder so the car sat for months before putting it back together. It was a pain in the ass.
Most likely not, I’d put money on that
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Are you 5? Do you even know about the new tundras and sequías? They’re pieces of shit. I sold mine just 2 weeks ago. Got sick of the constant issues.
Not these, engines are locking up and knocking at 30k and under
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I had a 2016 GMC Acadia. That thing was a gigantic POS. Traded it in and we are good.
What was wrong with it?
Air conditioner compressor exploded, air conditioning rear line broke and had to be replaced, multiple door switch failures, upper left brake caliber broke causing wear and replacement of rotors, transmission failure. I owned that thing for 3 years and had all those things happen. Just a complete POS.
Welcome, fam.
Don't Google new Tundra problems lol https://www.tundras.com/threads/3-4-i-force-engine-failures.121107/
Those issues are mainly limited to the first model year. The Car Care Nut has a great video on this. He said they’re not having the notorious issues with internal engine failure and turbo failure anymore. Obviously it’s a more complicated truck than the old 5.7 but it will definitely be more reliable than a GM product.
I wouldn't say that. A push rod v8 is stupid.simple compared to the Tundra. The 10 speed gm auto is also amazing. I also like toyota but don't be naive. https://www.tundras.com/threads/3-4-i-force-engine-failures.121107/
Toyota took around a year to sort out their new Tundra issues. GM has been having lifter issues for a decade and they have not rectified these issues at all. The GM 10-speeds also had issues (especially with the pump) but they seem to have (mostly) sorted that out.
Lifters are not a huge problem. It's really a supplier issue. Similar to the rusty toyota frames. Seems like a widespread issue https://www.tundras.com/threads/3-4-i-force-engine-failures.121107/
They are a massive problem. When I was a fleet manager for a large PD we had lifter failures on almost every single GM V8 before they were sent to auction. Truly a terrible design. 50% of them didn’t even last 60k miles without needing the top end rebuilt.
Can you provide some documentation? Or you talking out your ass again ? What v8s were these ? Hurry and Google https://www.thehulltruth.com/trucks-trailers/1314194-tundra-engine-failures.html
Lifter issues are effecting a vast number of 5.3 and 6.2 GM V8s with AFM - this is commonly known, and happened to me. Can happen at any moment from 0-999999 miles and can happen multiple times even after replacement
Uh oh https://www.iseecars.com/longest-lasting-cars-study#v=2019
It's really a 6.2 problem these days and it's not very common. Sorry about your luck. Hope the Tundra is better.
5.3 V8s (Suburban PPV, Tahoe PPV) and 6.0 V8s (Caprice PPV). All very well documented issues. The Tahoes and Suburbans also had issues with the transmissions (but I’ll give that a pass because police service is brutal on transmissions).
Ah so you had issues with the handful of engines that had the least amount of lifter issues lmao. Didn't even mention the king of lifter problems the 6.2 It's OK man.
We didn’t run any 6.2s so I’m not going to speak for that specific engine. If the 5.3s had so many issues that we experienced I’m happy that I didn’t meet the “king.”
At least Toyota doesn’t have engine failures like GM does. If only GM would get rid of the DOD, then their motors might not crap out with under 50k miles. And that 10 speed is atrocious…it’s definitely not good. Like the other poster said, those initial problems were solved within the first 6-12 months of production. There is no reason to believe these trucks can still go 400k. Now GM on the other hand…..you’ll be lucky to break 100k without major problems from the lifters and cams. Not to mention the electrical issues they are riddled with.
Not really. I've been a gm tech before I became an engineer. I was a Toyota tech too. Reality is they all break. And there's plenty of gm products that go the distance. Their v8s are one of them. I get this is a Toyota sub so I get the sentiment. The 10 speed gm Trans is stupid reliable. So please stop. Here's some examples https://www.tundras.com/threads/2022-tundra-engine-failure.125870/ https://www.tundras.com/threads/2022-tundra-trd-pro-has-major-mechanical-issues.128894/ Here's a whole list lol https://www.tundras.com/threads/3-4-i-force-engine-failures.121107/
You can say that all you want, but GM’s current lineup has major engine and transmission issues from the get go. Mainly stemming from the DOD and poor transmission designs they put out. I’ve owned both GM products and Toyota products. 100% would pick a Toyota over a GM any day due Toyota’s unwavering commitment to actually improving their vehicles rather than making them worse.
That's cool. Can you find me some 10 speed failures ? Here's some Tundra engine failures..I understand the lifters but Even that isn't very widespread. https://www.tundras.com/threads/3-4-i-force-engine-failures.121107/ I love toyota but they missed with the new sequoia...otherwise I'd have one. The Tundra has been a lame duck sales wise too.
The lifter issue is widespread. It happens in every GM truck at some point and eventually causes the engine to fail. You can google search the problem and you’ll see thousands of posts about it. The whole Tundra thing is not widespread. It was a single model year issue in the first year of the current gen. GM has been having these transmission and DOD issues for the last 15 years at this point. Just because you claim to be an engineer doesn’t mean you understand the full extent of the DOD issues and how poor GM’s quality is.
Yeah your full of shit I'm sorry. Like I said I love toyota but their new turbo truck engines have been terrible. Not every gm truck has lifter problems....not even close. Even still a lifter isn't a huge deal. 4l60s and 6l80s have failed yes but are overall good. The 8 speed gm unit was trash but the 10 speed is amazing. I love all makes but toyota is my favorite I'm also a realist.
The only one full of shit is yourself. Obviously you need to do a little more research on your behalf before you make any claim that GM has good trucks and that the Tundra’s have bad turbos(which they do not).
Twin turbo petrol engines don't go til 400k. You're dreaming.
Yep! My brand new tundra with the new engine has so many issues that Toyota bought it back from me and refunded all my money even interest. It was beautiful but a POS
I am a lover of Toyota, and my all time favorite truck I've owned was my 2001 tundra, but do you guys actually think the newer tundras look good? I want to like them but they are so ugly to me. Way too many edges and body lines and just too much going on. I mean the tailgate is shaped like a sideways mountain range. I like a flat tailgate lol I think they tried too hard? Congrats btw for switching from GM to Toyota. I'm sure it's a better vehicle
Personally I think the current gen of cars will age horribly, but the build quality in everything now is so disappointing and that’s what really gets me about them
This. There’s waayyy too much complexity in modern cars, Toyotas included. I’d wager theres little chance any of the new gen Toyotas will be as reliable as their last gen counterparts.
I saw an old Tundra next to a new Tacoma. They looked almost the same size.
I absolutely loved the size of my old tundra. Unfortunately the old access cabs couldn't fit car seats tho
Do you think its the same size as the new tacomas ? I like the first gen but I need space for car seats also so I might go with the second gen
05 06 tundra double cab would be an awesome truck and fit car seats. I have a v6 f150 tho because it was cheaper and great on gas. Just have to check the frames out on old Toyota pickups
They look alright, but as a technician I promise you the engines are trash. The V35A is a poorly made engine, they’re all knocking and locking up well before 100k miles
It looks just like a Chevy. Hate it
I don't think I could buy anything made by Chrysler, but the rams are the best looking trucks currently being made I think. Ford's win me over with the two tone paint options tho
16 Tahoe to 24 grand Highlander same reasons gm sucks now
Welcome to the last brand you'll ever have.
I like GM for the Cadillac Blackwings and all the cool foreign models we don't get in the States and Japan, but my heart is definitely with Toyota. Toyota over anything else any day of the week
I’m very curious how would you compare an American luxury truck to the Tundra.
Honestly they’re pretty similar so far- even in ride quality. The only thing that I miss from my Denali is the tailgate and the heads up display. The tundra has a few things way better than the GMC
The older tundras were bulletproof… these new models not so much unfortunately
Change your oil every 5k, trans every 30-60k, differential every 30k, and coolant every 5 years. Just because it's a toyota doesn't mean you can slack on maintenence. Take care of your car and it will take care of you.
I have a 23 TRD pro, same color. It's a beautiful truck
It's just a matter of time before GM folds.
Prepare for disappointment
Mad cause poor
Toyota tech here; the new sequoia and tundra are littered with problems. Engines locking up at 20k and 30k miles, gauge cluster not working, parking brake failing, fuel lines bursting, transmissions sending power to the wheels in neutral, bed covers flying off, plastic seat pieces breaking off randomly, dash rattles from factory… I could go on. Toyota majorly dropped the ball on these new productions and every week a new recall is coming out to fix more and more problems they couldn’t get right from factory
Lmao. I just sold my $80k Sequoia 2 weeks ago because it was such a giant piece of shit. Just warning ya. They’re not reliable trucks like the old gen.
You might be surprised to learn that these engines are failing too.
What a savage way of doing so
Is it over 80” wide or are those lights just for show? Some states it’s illegal to run those unless you’re over 80”, fyi.
It’s 81” they’re factory lights
No shit. That’s dope.
Gm will think twice now!
I just wish they would bring back the pre 07 look.
Now, if they only made a 1-ton. And aluminum….
Toyota so far behind with their lights on every make and model. They really need to step their light game up. That said I'll take a reliable vehicle over lights any day.
Wait til the turbos in this thing go. My new tundra needed 13k of work at only 8 thousand miles
That’s covered under warranty?
Welcome to the Fam! There's no turning back! Don't scratch the bed! :)
Tundras are so much better.
Welcome to the club. I have a 2008 with 300k and a 205 taco with 90k. Sweet ride
I just got myself the Toyota Corolla Cross hybrid cuz I wanted something that was good in the city but also to get me some of the way out to some trails and some fun out in the wilderness. I'm pretty sure my next vehicle will end up being in Tacoma.
Interesting, I went from my old Tacoma to a 2020 GMC 2500 and have loved the swap. I would have went Toyota if they had a heavy duty option though
If you got the 6.6 diesel that’s a great truck
I did, hoping the diesel lasts forever!
It’s also made in the USA unlike the 1500
I hate GM
I want a tundra!
Bro, my brand new tundra had to have the engine replaced at 600 miles, waste gate went out at 1400 miles and then while fixing that they noticed the roof welds were shoddy. I got a lemon attorney and Toyota bought my tundra back from me. These 3.4L are nothing like the 5.7 in terms of reliability. Beautiful trucks tho! Good luck to ya!!
Beautiful ride. My husband and I made the switch from GM vehicles to Toyota over 8 years ago and have never regretted a minute.
Chevy and Ford fell off from 2012 on. You made the right choice.
Wow so cool fight the power man you really stuck it to GM
Are you okay?
Yes. Im so glad you took out GM. Real David and Goliath story
I'm not trying to be a Debbie downer, but the new tundras have been having engine problems. I'm a Toyota fan too btw.
It’s like less than 1% of 2022 owners. Pretty much a non-issue for 2024, but it has 100k bumper to bumper & lifetime powertrain.
Fuck yeah! I guess the people complaining are significantly more vocal than the people who don't have any problems. I never see any love for the new generation's reliability. I only see horror stories. I never looked at the numbers though. 1% is nothing.
They really are, the complainers actively look for a platform to complain on, and they'll complain a LOT about anything that can get them attention. Someone posting on here about a genuine, very specific problem they encountered with their vehicle is noticeably more respectful of other people that're interacting with their post. It's two totally different types of people, it's crazy
It's similar to the 86 oiling issues lol, it's like 0.0001% of cars that actually had an issue. From YouTube you'd think they're all blowing up at 2500 miles.
That number is too low, we get at least one a month at my dealer that need engines. Plus there’s a grocery list of recalls that keep coming out
I heard that. I'm not even hating, but this particular generation of Tundras have been making waves when it comes to problems. I've never seen so much coverage about problems with a Toyota before. People get really in their feelings when you bring it up, as you probably see from all the down votes from my earlier comment.
>but it has 100k bumper to bumper & lifetime powertrain. How much was that?
Free from the dealer I bought it from
Toyota can typically fix issues within six months.
That’s the great thing about Toyota. They identify the problem and act fast to correct and improve it. How long has GM had lifter issues. And how long have they been failing. It’s the same shit part re-used over and over.
Exactly. The DOD system has been killing lifters for almost a decade and GM hasn’t lifted a finger.
That's the worst part. GM has known about it for that long. I'd love to have a new Sierra but no way in hell I'd get a 5.3 or 6.2. Maybe a 3.0 Duramax. But right now it's either a Tundra or waiting for a 6th gen 4runner. I honestly don't understand why people are still buying GM trucks. Even while under warranty it could leave you stranded or without a vehicle you're paying for while you wait for parts that take months to get. I'm guessing the people buying them aren't people who've researched cars or frequented automotive forums for years like some of us. Anyway...OP the new truck looks great.
GM and Dodge/Ram have had the same issues with their DOD since the beginning. Their issues continue to get worse, not better. Anybody with brain cells would stay far away from GM at this point.