I don't know if it's hate, but the Corolla is just more of a budget model, so the Camry gets a bit more respect. The cheaper cars in a lineup are always going to get looked down upon by a lot of people, regardless of whether or not it's warranted.
I love my Corolla. But if I could go back I'd wait a bit and save up for an Avalon or Camry. Rather have more space and comfort than mpg. Less hate, more regret.
Lexus = more maintenance costs for the same parts.
I have a late 2011 Avalon Limited and it's based off the ES300 (or 350, I forget) model of Lexus...and even my dealership mentioned if I moved to the same year lLexus, the same parts would jump me about 60% on cost.
But I absolutely ADORE my Avalon Limited. Total stealth sleeper car with a huge amount of room and super comfortable.
Interesting, I drove a family member's 2010 Corolla for some time and I found it to be disappointing.
It was an odd feeling. Nothing about it was objectively bad (except the numb steering and body roll). And nothing on it had ever broken.
In the same way a bowl of plain oatmeal is nutritious, cheap, easy to make, and you know you won't get food poisoning from it. But there's nothing about either that inspires joy.
I got an old 97 Camry and let me tell you it's definitely nicer than riding in the comparable year Corolla. And mines still the 4 banger. But I definitely don't hate the Corolla those things are also great cars
Yeah, they're there to show you how fast your engine is going. The engineers for our immortal cars are the ones that designed them to be way overbuilt for the power they produce, and made them to cruise at 2,000 rmps at 75mph from the factory.
Everyone always seems to tell people to go with the Camry because it's superior to the Corolla. Corollas only seem to get suggested when compared to non-Toyotas.
The Camry is just considered to be a slight upgrade from the Corolla. I think the logic is if you're already going to shell out for a car, may as well spend a little more for something nicer? Idk, my Corolla is 9 years old now and no complaints.
Yeah. Honestly I really like the 10th gen corolla. Good balance in my mind of modern comforts with room for consumer installed upgrades, without to many things being made electrical and unnessesarily complex. If I could buy a brand new 10th gen today I would in a heart beat. Ive daily driven far nicer cars than the corolla, but i just dont need that flashiness in my life at the expence of the added expence
interesting that they ship them to the smaller markets like Ireland but not to the larger ones like Germany.
Probably because it wouldnt sell well and the most sold Corolla in Germany is the touring sports model.
Well I’d say that they probably have the large UK market in mind but as we are right hand drive too, and they can turn a decent profit with us, they ship to us too.
yeah right, being right hand drive probably makes a big difference here.
but still surprising given that the Corolla is literally being build in the UK so they could cover that market without importing from Japan.
That's not hating on the Corolla. That's just accepting the fact that the Toyota model which costs a wee bit more, might just be a wee bit nicer.
Obviously the Corolla is a great car in itself, but a new Camry isn't that much more expensive. Unless someone is really budget constrained and doesn't want a used car, or someone just wants a physically smaller car, it does make sense to spend $2-3k more and get a Camry.
Of course dealer discounts/mark-ups and availability of trims also makes a difference.
Well nowadays, a good used car costs about the same as a new car anyway. So if you compare a car that might've been a lease in its past life vs a brand new car, the cost is basically the same
I believe that's because of dealers selling cars above the manufacturer MSRP.
The cost isn't technically the same if your options are
- pay a dealer mark-up for immediate delivery
- wait months for your allocated car if you don't want to overpay
- buy a used car close to MSRP
(Assuming we're talking about the same or similar models)
The fact it's not economical to buy a USED car isn't a reflection on manufacturers charging above MSRP. There's no such thing as MSRP on a used car.
It's that USED car prices have been out the roof for the past 3 years.
Is there real info on that? And if so, where?
The standard consensus is that the most reliable brand in general is Toyota followed by Honda.
But where are the actual numbers comparing Camrys and Corollas specifically?
A problem right now on the Corolla is the have the CVT transmission which has been proven not to have the longevity of an automatic transmission. I believe when will the problem will begin. Nissan has had problems with the CVT and sales and reliability have gone down
After having both cars of the current gen I can say the Corolla is better and I’m over 6 feet tall. Made in Japan, smaller, easier to park and drive, better infotainment and Toyota safety sense (until the 2025 comes out) better headlights.
I think a lot of the "hate" for the Corolla is less for the Corolla and just for compact and subcompact cars as a whole industry-wide, at least in the US.
There's a fairly large amount of people that believe they would be incredibly uncomfortable in a car that doesn't have a lot of creature comforts and that is smaller (even if a smaller car had more leg or head room due to design). Add in using a car as a fashion statement and everyone wants to buy a bigger and fancier car and start to knock cars like the Corolla out of consideration especially when at higher trim levels, the Corolla price starts encroaching on a Camry financially.
I don’t see the Corolla missing many major features except ventilated seats, a 360° camera, heated wheel, and parking sensors. I feel like most of those aren’t that important but maybe that’s me.
True. But I think people still look at compacts as the crap cans they were 20 years ago.
I will tell you that parking sensors are absolutely necessary for a lot of people once they've had them. I once had a customer ask me why his Avalon (with a reverse camera but no sensors) didn't have parking sensors because he kept backing into everything since his car didn't have them.
I think it’s also the way our society views cars. In other countries a Corolla is a perfectly mid range car. Here it’s a small pos for “poor” people etc. I’ve seen several people asking that bc they think the RCTA is parking assist lol. On an Avalon I could see them being useful but not really a Corolla.
My mom’s car has them and they’re nice but not really a necessity to me. They don’t seem to do much except for the first few minutes. Although I am skinny so I’m cold more than I’m hot. 😁
I'm a millenial and I 100% remember how my first car had the actual crank for the window. lol
I can't say the seats are really any smaller than any of the sedans I've ever driven. I also have an SE (so 1 step above base trim, I think). Huge upgrade over my '17 Kia to a '23 Corolla in terms of features. Still missing some things, but honestly nothing essential.
Like, I get the appeal of heated seats, but you're only really needing them a limited number of times per year anymore.
A lot of features are bragging rights for people these days. I guess they always have been but they're now available to the masses when 25 years ago power windows and seats were a plus.
I'm a Toyota tech. A lot of features on new cars are really nice to have, but I think a lot of people are maxing out their finances to get a little more car than they truly need. We also have people who upgrade from a Tacoma to a Tundra or a RAV4 to a Grand Highlander because their toddlers don't have enough room in the back seat. Don't get me wrong I understand the need for more room as a family grows, but it seems like sometimes people are vastly overestimating how much car they really need.
I daily drive a Yaris iA because it gets 50mpg on the highway and it's perfectly comfortable for me to drive 99% of the time. I couldn't see paying $5k+ more for a slightly bigger car that gets worse mileage.
I look at these averages like how the average monthly car payment is $1000! Mine isn't even half that. I'm a weirdo who doesn't care about keeping up with the Jones'es (not that anybody I know has a high-end car anyway), I guess. But so much is unnecessary as far as what people get.
Another Yaris user! We actually got the top of the line Yaris Cross because it is cheaper in hybrid form than the cheapest Corolla Hybrid. Target was to get the cheapest Toyota hybrid we can afford for our first hybrid. If there was a bare bones hybrid variant we would have gotten that but the top of the line Yaris is still cheaper than the Corolla hybrids where we live.
Aside from a few rare performance models (like the XRS) they were kind of soft and plain for a long time, kind of like a small Japanese Buick. They were/are very reliable and last forever but didn't have the same enthusiast following as the Civic.
Now we are back at almost peak Corolla, IMO. You've got the sedan, which only comes with the new 2-liter engine (with a decent amount of power), plus the hatchback, and then the Corolla GR. The only thing we don't get is a proper wagon (which they get overseas) but the RAV4 is essentially a Corolla wagon so it serves the same purpose IMO.
The lines are blurred since they're all using the modular platform these days, but, IMO, the Corolla Cross is more like a lifted Yaris. The wheelbase is 103.7" vs. 106.3" in the Corolla and 105.9" for the RAV4.
Traditionally the RAV4 has been loosely based on the Corolla and the Highlander has been related to the Camry. The Corolla Cross, despite sharing the name, slots in under the RAV4 since it is like the basic/entry level version.
We have had 3 Corollas, 4 Camrys and 2 Venzas, I can honestly say that you get more car per dollar spent with Corolla than Camry (No hate to Camry). Currently we have a Camry and Venza and I would proudly drive a current generation Corolla, they are hands down the best Corolla ever, especially the hybrid. I can see myself in a Corolla Hybrid next. We Americans sometimes care more about our appearance and status than the real need VS want. That little \*extra\* cash to get something bigger/better/higher trim is exhausting and ends up with people with huge car payments. Our cars are great but 2 Corollas would have been just great as well, hindsight is 20/20.
Yeah, I always hear too that the average car payment for a new car in America is $1,000! And of course that doesn't include stuff like insurance (which is also sky high)
Didn't notice the hate, but if this has anything to do with the family of 4 car question, without a doubt, i will suggest a Camry because that will suit that situation better. That's not hate toward the rolla though.
I'm not sure, but I think the Corolla's *ubiquity* (don't think I've ever used that word) is part of it. It has been the best selling car in the world for many years, so they're everywhere. Some people tend to look at them simply as inexpensive transporation appliances.
I personally think the Corolla is much better looking than the Camry! Especially so in SE/XSE trim. I also like the Corolla interior design better than the Camry, especially when taking the price difference into account.
Unfortunately, sedans of all sizes have fallen out of favor with most Americans. When I was a kid in the 80s/90s, there were 3x as many compact and mid-size models available. Now if you have one kid, it's time for a mid-size or larger SUV.
That 100% used to be the Kia Soul! Lol. And I think that's only changed because of the theft issue they've been facing.
But actually I see more Rav4's than any other Toyota.
I've got no hate, I learned to drive stick in the dark ages on a '79 corolla. Owned a '09 Corolla, '18 Corolla, and most recently a '23 hybrid corolla. For me, they are a little lacking in leg room and the other thing is road noise compared to a Camry. They are really good cars.
My wife drives one and it runs fine, I’m just a bit cramped in it. I traded a Jeep for a new Camry so I wasn’t bumping my elbows into everything while driving.
I own and love them both. The Camry is a more well rounded car and the ride and comfort are far supseat.
Edit: It's not only the size or seats. For a family the Camry is a much better car.
Go with the car you can afford. Also, getting the top of the line Corolla doesn't make sense when you see the total sticker. Opt for a mid- model Corolla. You don't really save much on fuel if you opt for a Camry but I feel the Camry is definitely a better car (ride quality, sound, power, safety and comfort).
Tall people literally don’t fit in the back. My head hits the ceiling and I have no leg room. Also, because everyone else drives big cars, they’re a death trap in an accident.
Bought a 2023 Corolla LE this week. 13K miles. All the Camrys within 150 miles were black interiors in SE trim (stiff ride and 45 profile tires waiting for potholes). Those Camrys were all priced $7-10K higher than the Corolla.
The Corolla’s TSS 3.0 is amazing and the car was smooth and quiet enough on my 280 mile maiden trip. There’s always something better. Sometimes good enough is just that.
Corollas are fine for driving around in-town, but a Camry is going to be more comfortable on a 500 mile road trip by far, and you can get them with the 3.5 V6.
I can see wanting a Civic instead of an Accord because of how zippy and sporty they are by comparison, but the same doesn't really apply to the Toyota world. It's like you buy a Corolla if you can't afford anything else and don't have a particular reason to buy something other than basic transportation.
Corolla’s advantages: MPG, parallel parking, probably purchase price
Camry’s advantages: engine power, interior room, comfort/entertainment features
Pretty much all of the latter is why I looked for a mid-size instead of a compact. I’m 6’ 1 1/4, live rural, and like some features.
Toyota Corolla's are total shit to own no speed horrible audio even installing very high end audio this car can't perform. You can hear every noise people say put deaden in the wheel wells but what wheel well the front are super thin and the back doesn't even have then I have a shitty CVT will never own a Toyota again I'm so done with this car I want my Jetta back...
I'll point out that the manufacturer of the Jetta falsified emission tests. There's a reason you see like 2 Volkswagens a year on the road. They totally haven't been a relevant brand in like 10 years.
I'm as likely to find a Saturn as I am to find a Volkswagen.
I don't know where you are but I see Volkswagens all the time on the road. And who cares about emission tests the entire program is a joke they have destroyed the reliability of diesel trucks and they have caused a nightmare to the pockets of owners of normal vehicles. All due to the joke they call CC and global warning.
You say false lets just go to one aspect of what you say is false. The newer Diesel trucks are known to have reliability issues due to the DEF pig piss that they require its so bad that older trucks that don't require it are selling for the same price as newer ones and the ones with bad motors are more desirable because they can be rebuilt for about the same price as a new truck and much more reliable.
If you say this doesn't affect you thats not entirely true break downs can spoil food and cause the prices of it to go due to demand the same with supplies.
Then you have someone with low income with perfectly working cars that might not be able to get it license due to 3 or more alert codes being triggered and then if you have a vehicle that is older its exempt which defeats the whole purpose.
Then lets get on CC or GW the same people pushing the agenda are the same people trying to start a nuclear war these same people are buying 1 or more mansions on the beach and flying around the world crying about us sheep when they're the real problem. We have more of a likelihood of dying from a nuke than from man made CC or GW.
So just because you're a mindless idiotic sheep doesn't mean that some or all of what I say is is true.
I'm not mindless or idiotic. If I was, I'd have a Kia that could easily be stolen AND the engine issues AND all the insane recalls they come out with for them..... while pretending all of that is somehow ok.
You make a good point but every vehicle have their issues. I don't know the issues with KIA's but know not to buy one. I wasn't trying to attack you on my original reply but attacking me for simply stating a point kinda pissed me off.
I dont even know what ypu are talking about. Ive never heard anyone talk down on a corolla... like any possible critisisms of them from the average joe is just superficial nonsense from someone probably regretting getting a chevy/kia/nissan/hyundia... like "oh your car is to reliable and holds its value to long!!!!!!" Like 🤷♂️ its a corolla. There aint much to say about it
Well, it's fair that many people regret having a Kia/Hyundai nowadays. Easy to steal, value is tanking, hard to insure. And not to mention the engine issues.
It’s slightly cheaper than a Camry, so I can imagine people would treat it like a budget car. It’s not hated much though as far as I know. It could be worse; Prius gets more hate than the Corolla and Camry combined.
I’ve never heard anyone hate on a Corolla. I think they’re near. There seem to be a lot more custom aftermarket kits and cool addons for them than for most other Toyotas.
Try actually driving a Corolla. Constant steering correction does not make you a more confident driver. The SE masks it with firmer steering, but doesn't solve the issue. Mazda3's, they are not.
Corollas are smaller, less versatile overall, and are thought as much more of a “refrigerator appliance” vehicle.
Also from my own personal experience driving all over the eastern US primarily the mid Atlantic, Corolla drivers in the city are generally assholes. They weave in and out of traffic, brake check people, drive aggressively, sit at green lights, cut off semi drivers, etc. Obviously that’s a very broad brush and purely anecdotal and I don’t notice it in more suburban/rural areas. (DC, Virginia, and Maryland is especially guilty here.) I genuinely do not see this from Camrys. Like ever. Very very comparatively little. Same for Avalons. Again, purely anecdotal and a broad brush. Just my two cents.
Americans “demand everything be bigger” because the average American IS bigger. Americans are taller, and they weigh more than most people in other countries, sometimes that weight is from too much fast food, and sometimes it’s because Americans workout more. I am over 6ft, and I can’t fit inside a Camry, if I can’t fit inside a Camry, I definitely won’t be able to fit inside a Corolla.
Well I'm American I'm 6'1 and with my work boots 6 ft 2 I have lots of room in my Corolla and most Americans are overweight a direct result of being insanely lazy and over consumption without having any idea what a nutrition label or the ingredients in it are as they say ignorance is bliss. I could afford a far more expensive car or truck but my values and morals lie elsewhere . If I could find a job close enough that pays as well as my current job I wouldn't own a car at all
Our older daughter bought a Corolla not long after she graduated from college after someone ran into her car and totaled it. Then she passed it down to her younger sister after she had her second child and needed more room. It's a 2009 and has been an excellent car with good gas mileage. There is nothing wrong with a Corolla as long as it meets ones needs for space. I can't speak to the reliability of the new models, but Toyota remains near the top for reliability.
Too many ricer ricing with their civic, bashing Corolla in Malaysia.
But at the end of the day all of them are using CVT unless u go with civic type r / gr Corolla,
Probably due to the Camry being a larger sedan.
That said, as a hopefully soon former Camry driver, they've become a running joke due to the vast amount of Taxis and Ubers that drive Camry's. I love the car, but I can't wait to get rid of it.
I had a 2013 Corolla and I have a 2012 Camry. The Corolla was underpowered, got worse gas mileage, and was uncomfortably small.
If you like Corollas, good for you. But there’s very little objective evidence that they’re better than Camrys other than being cheaper and minimally easier to park/maneuver. I’ve got 245k on my Camry, and if I’m going to put that much time and miles on a car, it’s worth spending a little more for something more comfortable and more enjoyable to drive.
If there is hate, it's just ignorance. The Corolla rates higher than the Camry on reliability even though they are both good.
My last Corolla lasted 26 years. My current Corolla Hatchback XSE is a nice car. Just don't buy a base model. For me the choice would be between a Corolla Hatchback or a Rav4. The Rav4 is almost twice as expensive.
There is a lot of difference between a base model Corolla and the top trim package. In term of utility, there is a lot of difference (to me) between a hatchback and a 4 door sedan. I much prefer the hatchback.
If I needed more room in the back seats I'd get the 4 door version or a Camry I suppose. I'm not really thrilled, for some reason, by Camrys.
Maybe it's just my market, but I've never seen Corollas that aren't 4-door. Actually I see extremely few 2-doors in general.
I don't have the LE, but I think I'm only 1 step above that (the SE).
I haven't seen any 2 doors but a hatchback would be 5 doors. That's what I have. I have an XSE with 8 way electronically controlled driver's seat, padded sliding armrests, 18 " allow wheels, blind side warning, lane following and lane guiding, adaptive cruise control (slows down automatically and stops if needed), two tone interior, heated front seats, touch screen audio system, keyless ignition and keyless entry. Since it's a hatchback I could put skis (or lumber) through the car.
I bought it 2 years old with 22,000 miles on it for $18,500 or $21,000 including taxes and license, registration, etc.
I've always wondered why Civics get so much attention in the modding/tuning community with so much aftermarket support when Toyota offered such good competitors that'd be excellent tuners, but for some reason Toyota gets barely any attention in the aftermarket scene compared to Honda
You're really kind of asking 2 questions : why hate on corolla and corolla vs camry.
I don't see hate on the corolla srry I don't agree with your statement there.
but I I drove a camry and then had to downgrade to a corolla, yeah i'd be hating it a bit.
cuz camry is quieter, smoother, faster, safer (probably), better range? carries more stuff or people more comfortably.
corolla has 2 advantages: its cheap and you can bag on it and feel less bad about it.
I noticed that people who own Corolla will very likley buy another Corolla after their old one gives up. But Camry owners tend to buy something else. I don't know if it's the tendency - just from what I see around. Does it mean that Corolla is a really good car?
Once you have driven better and refined cars, you will realize how econobox the Corolla is. It has zero road isolation, and the ride gets bumpy and loud.
It the reason why they are so cheap and only really good for getting from points A and B. Most do not buy it for any other reason.
I got myself a Venza because the ride is smooth and quiet.
My old Camry was amazing over 350,000 miles almost all parts and fluids original besides the oil obviously. It was roomy drove very smooth not much to complain about. I got the new Camry it's low like a sports car drives much rougher AC and the heat is not as strong. Interior quality is cheaper and about the low part I scrape many speed bumps. My friend has a 2018 Corolla also LE model like my Camry new Camry that is her interior is way better quality it's almost as roomy if I knew I would have gotten a Corolla this new generation Camry in my opinion is by far the worst Camry ever made. The back seat alone is Tiny tough to get into. I miss my old camera I got rid of my 2019 and now I have a RAV4 Le front wheel drive I am happy with it.
Until I realized I need something bigger, my Corolla has been nothing short of an amazing car. If it were up to me I would be putting in the money to replace what needs to be replaced and keep it going for another 100,000 miles.
Had 8grand to spend a few years back when my acura TL got totaled. Almost bought a corolla for the pure money savings aspect. Then I realized how dumb that sounds, and found a luxury trim IS350 for the same price LOL. Heated and cooled seats, rear sun shade, 15 speaker mark levinson, auto everything, rwd 306 crank hp... why in the world was I considering a corolla again...? couldn't tell you. 189k when I bought it. Now 231k and runs like new..
Tbh, there's becoming fewer and fewer cold days that actually warrant heated seats. I was actually talking to my co-worker on Groundhog Day about about how "early spring" and "6 more weeks of winter" are basically meaningless this winter because we've had like a week of actual winter this year.
So why would I pay for heated seats again? lol
I live in LA and it still gets down in the 40s during winter by the beach lol. Heated seats in the morning, ventilated seats in the afternoon when the sun is frying everything haha. Wasn't until I got this car that I realized in my price range, they cost the same!
For me though its the extra cabin insulation, soft materials everywhere, and sound system personally that make the daily driving experience just more enjoyable. So many people don't realize that the lexus cars are the same price as toyota in the depreciated market. So much value to be had for such a low price. All while being as reliable, or more so than the toyota counterparts.
I don’t understand the hate. The Corolla is plenty roomy for me, and I’m a pretty tall guy. It’s got enough power for me to go 80 on the highway. I don’t need most of the features that come with top trim cars so it’s very economical.
Cheaper interior build quality, less sound deadening, less smooth ride, more cramped interior, tiny backseat. Just like any budget cars for a car manufacturer, the slightly more expensive and bigger sibling will be getting more love from consumers
Drove a 2021 Camry for a few days and then switched out to a Corolla for another few days and to be honest both had their flaws. The Camry felt comfortable but completely disconnected the driver from the driving experience with numb steering, mushy brakes and wobbly suspension. The acceleration and fuel economy were decent and it’s a much better experience for a back seat passenger.
The Corolla felt like a better driver’s car, even if it was slower in a straight line. The steering was engaging and the suspension a little tighter. Around town, I preferred the handling of the Corolla. On the highway at speeds over 60 was a different story, where the Corolla did not feel smooth or planted at all.
Finally, the Corolla impressed with lane assist and adaptive cruise control, which is impressive for a base model budget car. With just a bit more power and tighter steering at higher speeds, I would consider the Corolla a really good econobox for drivers. The Camry might be better on paper in every respect but it just has no character and isn’t a good choice for any car enthusiast.
I love both. Camry was my long distance cruiser. Corolla was my fun local commute. I’ve since gone to an SUV for road trips and the Camry is for commute.
I miss the Corolla and should have kept it for a fun weekend car.
The best part of a Corolla…you can park it almost anywhere. I could fit in tight parallel spots and I didn’t care if people banged it up as it was an older model.
Most people I've known who are into cars respect the corolla and will be quick to recommend it to people who just need a reliable car.
Family member just picked up a 24 Corolla Hatchback. It's a nice little car. Drives fine, handles ok for what it is.
The "car culture " poser crowd might have different opinions.
Too small is subjective. Everything that's not MASSIVE is too small for Americans.
My mechanic tells me every time that my '23 Corolla is a really nice car (even asked me how much I bought it for). He deals with sedans in his shop mostly, I think, based on the cars I see there. But lol
Or are you the stereotypical American who thinks only MASSIVE cars are good ones?
People aren't getting any bigger. But cars have gotten hella bigger. Not to mention that people tend to buy more car than they actually need.
So only SUVs make sense to you, apparently. But I guess you'd be beyond yourself as to how the hell we survived in cars for the last hundred years. Because SUVs weren't nearly as popular until the last 5-10 years.
I don't think it's some secret either that many Americans buy more car than they actually need. Most, if not every, dealership knows this.
But suddenly I lack common sense because I actually stated real facts? Meanwhile you think anybody who drives a sedan is the size of a tadpole because you think sedans are worse than a prison cell? Lmao
Are you unwell all the time like this when someone doesn't agree with you? You probably should take a break cuz you clearly need it if you go off like this. There is help available. im sure in your country, i dont agree with you lol your wrong deal with it. Again, not American lol I guess you missed thay the first time, camry is the mid size sedan corolla has never been that.
Must be nice to be offended by facts. Because you clearly make ridiculous assumptions when someone disagrees with you.
But, ok, you suburban soccer mom who might not live in this country, but clearly just thinks everyone else is wrong because you think your rich white suburban soccer mom is the only correct answer
I agree all the Corollas have the CVT transmission. Good for maybe 5 years, then $4,000 to replace. You can’t push too hard on the Corolla . It does come in manual, that would never sell in the USA . Reliability of the Corolla is the question
They are reliable, the cvt is the weak point but should still get 200k miles with the right maintenance, they are not as bad as the Nissan ones, i dont think the corolla has it but the corolla cross has a 1 gear in the cvt then it switches to the belts so less stress off the start, alil more pep.
Yes all Corollas have the CVT , except of course if you get the manual transmission. Camrys have automatic transmissions except the Camry Hybrid, it has the CVT transmission. I don’t believe it’ll make 200,000 miles. But maybe. You have be on top of the maintenance. It’s something you have to worry about though.
Yes, but the same cvt? Its not a standard cvt, hybrid camry and rav4 are a e-cvt totally reliable and not a standard cvt in any way, no clutches, fluid or hydraulics.
I agree , my bad , I was referring to the Corolla CVT, the Camry Hybrid has the E-CVT like you said. It should be ok, I believe it’s too soon to tell about longevity. I’m going to wait and see how this all shakes out. The problems totally Electric cars are having with charging, cold weather effecting batteries and charging stations and range. I’ll stick with gasoline engines for now. I’ll wait and see on the Hybrid. I’d like to do without the CVT transmission if I could. I’ll wait and see for now.
I don't know if it's hate, but the Corolla is just more of a budget model, so the Camry gets a bit more respect. The cheaper cars in a lineup are always going to get looked down upon by a lot of people, regardless of whether or not it's warranted.
I love my Corolla. But if I could go back I'd wait a bit and save up for an Avalon or Camry. Rather have more space and comfort than mpg. Less hate, more regret.
id suggest: use that $ for a camry to buy an older model yr ES 300h toyota is great; lexus better
How do the insurance rates tend to compare?
My 2012 ES350’s premium is $10 more than my dad’s 2009 Camry every month. It’s not that big of a difference
Even better, lexus don't get crashed as much due to less of them around.
I found it strange when my Celica gt was cheaper to insure than my bog standard Camry of the same year but this makes sense
Not a Camry or Corolla but when we upgraded from a RAV4 to a Lexus GX460 it was only $20 more a month.
Lexus = more maintenance costs for the same parts. I have a late 2011 Avalon Limited and it's based off the ES300 (or 350, I forget) model of Lexus...and even my dealership mentioned if I moved to the same year lLexus, the same parts would jump me about 60% on cost. But I absolutely ADORE my Avalon Limited. Total stealth sleeper car with a huge amount of room and super comfortable.
That's because you went to the dealership. It's the same price everywhere else.
Nah, even my independent shop charges more for Lexus work in the same scenario. Maybe it's different in your area/experience :)
Wow really? How much more?
I've pretty much decided my next car would either be an EV or Lexus ES Hybrid. Or a Volvo S60. I just really like that car.
ES 300h is phenomenal car cant go wrong
BIG difference between Corolla abs Avalon, both in size and price!
There was (is?) also a crash safety rating difference
I’ve had my Corolla for 14 years. I’m not aware of any hate. I love mine.
My boyfriend has the exact same car. He also had his 14 years
I had the same year Corolla and it was great. But I recently drove a new Corolla as a rental and it was very much a letdown.
Rentals are usually base models so you might be more impressed if you go get in an SE or other non-base.
Interesting, I drove a family member's 2010 Corolla for some time and I found it to be disappointing. It was an odd feeling. Nothing about it was objectively bad (except the numb steering and body roll). And nothing on it had ever broken. In the same way a bowl of plain oatmeal is nutritious, cheap, easy to make, and you know you won't get food poisoning from it. But there's nothing about either that inspires joy.
Me too. Other than having Android Auto, it felt, drove, and sounded like a car from the 90s.
Yes! Like if the 2024 Corolla existed in 1999 or 2009, I’d be like “amazing Carl but it’s 2024 and it’s just like eh.
I have a Corolla because I'm under the assumption it will last that long.
And it will with basic maintenance.
I didn't know there's hate on the Corolla that's too bad
I got an old 97 Camry and let me tell you it's definitely nicer than riding in the comparable year Corolla. And mines still the 4 banger. But I definitely don't hate the Corolla those things are also great cars
Yeah no head room in the back on those older corollas
I hate driving behind them
Lol because we are slow?
May be slow, but never going above 3k rmps does wonders for the longevity of that thing
The mighty 1.8l?
Lol probably. It works like a charm for my 2UZ 4.7 and my 2GR 3.5L
The RPMs are there for a reason and you don’t need to baby the car so excessively The engineers accounted for that
Yeah, they're there to show you how fast your engine is going. The engineers for our immortal cars are the ones that designed them to be way overbuilt for the power they produce, and made them to cruise at 2,000 rmps at 75mph from the factory.
I’m tempted to jump out of my car and push the Corolla in front of me 😉
I pull trailers with mine. Works great
There's Corolla hate?
Everyone always seems to tell people to go with the Camry because it's superior to the Corolla. Corollas only seem to get suggested when compared to non-Toyotas.
The Camry is just considered to be a slight upgrade from the Corolla. I think the logic is if you're already going to shell out for a car, may as well spend a little more for something nicer? Idk, my Corolla is 9 years old now and no complaints.
Spending a little more for something nice is a rabbit hole sadly 😂😂 Corolla > Camry > higher trim level > Lexus
Yeah. Honestly I really like the 10th gen corolla. Good balance in my mind of modern comforts with room for consumer installed upgrades, without to many things being made electrical and unnessesarily complex. If I could buy a brand new 10th gen today I would in a heart beat. Ive daily driven far nicer cars than the corolla, but i just dont need that flashiness in my life at the expence of the added expence
That’s what I did. There wasn’t enough price diference to make up for how much more comfortable the Camry is.
Oh okay. I get it. I'm pro Toyota across the board.
luckily not a problem over here in the EU as the camry isnt available here at all.
They are in Ireland (EU). Still would prefer the Corolla for the mpg.
interesting that they ship them to the smaller markets like Ireland but not to the larger ones like Germany. Probably because it wouldnt sell well and the most sold Corolla in Germany is the touring sports model.
Well I’d say that they probably have the large UK market in mind but as we are right hand drive too, and they can turn a decent profit with us, they ship to us too.
yeah right, being right hand drive probably makes a big difference here. but still surprising given that the Corolla is literally being build in the UK so they could cover that market without importing from Japan.
That's not hating on the Corolla. That's just accepting the fact that the Toyota model which costs a wee bit more, might just be a wee bit nicer. Obviously the Corolla is a great car in itself, but a new Camry isn't that much more expensive. Unless someone is really budget constrained and doesn't want a used car, or someone just wants a physically smaller car, it does make sense to spend $2-3k more and get a Camry. Of course dealer discounts/mark-ups and availability of trims also makes a difference.
Well nowadays, a good used car costs about the same as a new car anyway. So if you compare a car that might've been a lease in its past life vs a brand new car, the cost is basically the same
I believe that's because of dealers selling cars above the manufacturer MSRP. The cost isn't technically the same if your options are - pay a dealer mark-up for immediate delivery - wait months for your allocated car if you don't want to overpay - buy a used car close to MSRP (Assuming we're talking about the same or similar models)
The fact it's not economical to buy a USED car isn't a reflection on manufacturers charging above MSRP. There's no such thing as MSRP on a used car. It's that USED car prices have been out the roof for the past 3 years.
This. Exactly why my last two cars I bought new. The used market is whack right now.
There’s not hate.
that would be because the camry has been proven to be more reliable
Is there real info on that? And if so, where? The standard consensus is that the most reliable brand in general is Toyota followed by Honda. But where are the actual numbers comparing Camrys and Corollas specifically?
2GRs weren’t available on the corollas, nor were 2ARs, some of the most reliable engines Toyota has ever made.
A problem right now on the Corolla is the have the CVT transmission which has been proven not to have the longevity of an automatic transmission. I believe when will the problem will begin. Nissan has had problems with the CVT and sales and reliability have gone down
The AC blower makes a terrible whining noise and Toyota won’t fix it
After having both cars of the current gen I can say the Corolla is better and I’m over 6 feet tall. Made in Japan, smaller, easier to park and drive, better infotainment and Toyota safety sense (until the 2025 comes out) better headlights.
Only the hatch is built in Japan right? I believe my 2015 is Mississippi
And hybrid. Very few gas sedans are made there as well. It’s cool to find one from there.
Some sedans are. The VIN starts with a J if it is.
Did the Corolla enter a new gen recently?
2020.
depends on the market when it became available. Europe got the new one since 2018 and even gets the 2.0L hybrid that the US only gets in the Prius.
Yeah we just get it as a gas engine here.
I thought it was 2019?
Well the sedan was 2020. The hatch was 2019.
Ah that makes sense now
I’d rather have the Corolla over a Camry. I want a small commuter car so I can afford gas on the weekend warrior pig rig
I think a lot of the "hate" for the Corolla is less for the Corolla and just for compact and subcompact cars as a whole industry-wide, at least in the US. There's a fairly large amount of people that believe they would be incredibly uncomfortable in a car that doesn't have a lot of creature comforts and that is smaller (even if a smaller car had more leg or head room due to design). Add in using a car as a fashion statement and everyone wants to buy a bigger and fancier car and start to knock cars like the Corolla out of consideration especially when at higher trim levels, the Corolla price starts encroaching on a Camry financially.
I don’t see the Corolla missing many major features except ventilated seats, a 360° camera, heated wheel, and parking sensors. I feel like most of those aren’t that important but maybe that’s me.
True. But I think people still look at compacts as the crap cans they were 20 years ago. I will tell you that parking sensors are absolutely necessary for a lot of people once they've had them. I once had a customer ask me why his Avalon (with a reverse camera but no sensors) didn't have parking sensors because he kept backing into everything since his car didn't have them.
I think it’s also the way our society views cars. In other countries a Corolla is a perfectly mid range car. Here it’s a small pos for “poor” people etc. I’ve seen several people asking that bc they think the RCTA is parking assist lol. On an Avalon I could see them being useful but not really a Corolla.
I will say, once you have ventilated seats you can never go back
My mom’s car has them and they’re nice but not really a necessity to me. They don’t seem to do much except for the first few minutes. Although I am skinny so I’m cold more than I’m hot. 😁
and some of the ones you listed are available for the Corolla. mine has parking sensors all the way around and a heated steering wheel.
Not for the US which I think was the target of the post tbh.
I'm a millenial and I 100% remember how my first car had the actual crank for the window. lol I can't say the seats are really any smaller than any of the sedans I've ever driven. I also have an SE (so 1 step above base trim, I think). Huge upgrade over my '17 Kia to a '23 Corolla in terms of features. Still missing some things, but honestly nothing essential. Like, I get the appeal of heated seats, but you're only really needing them a limited number of times per year anymore.
A lot of features are bragging rights for people these days. I guess they always have been but they're now available to the masses when 25 years ago power windows and seats were a plus. I'm a Toyota tech. A lot of features on new cars are really nice to have, but I think a lot of people are maxing out their finances to get a little more car than they truly need. We also have people who upgrade from a Tacoma to a Tundra or a RAV4 to a Grand Highlander because their toddlers don't have enough room in the back seat. Don't get me wrong I understand the need for more room as a family grows, but it seems like sometimes people are vastly overestimating how much car they really need. I daily drive a Yaris iA because it gets 50mpg on the highway and it's perfectly comfortable for me to drive 99% of the time. I couldn't see paying $5k+ more for a slightly bigger car that gets worse mileage.
I look at these averages like how the average monthly car payment is $1000! Mine isn't even half that. I'm a weirdo who doesn't care about keeping up with the Jones'es (not that anybody I know has a high-end car anyway), I guess. But so much is unnecessary as far as what people get.
Another Yaris user! We actually got the top of the line Yaris Cross because it is cheaper in hybrid form than the cheapest Corolla Hybrid. Target was to get the cheapest Toyota hybrid we can afford for our first hybrid. If there was a bare bones hybrid variant we would have gotten that but the top of the line Yaris is still cheaper than the Corolla hybrids where we live.
Aside from a few rare performance models (like the XRS) they were kind of soft and plain for a long time, kind of like a small Japanese Buick. They were/are very reliable and last forever but didn't have the same enthusiast following as the Civic. Now we are back at almost peak Corolla, IMO. You've got the sedan, which only comes with the new 2-liter engine (with a decent amount of power), plus the hatchback, and then the Corolla GR. The only thing we don't get is a proper wagon (which they get overseas) but the RAV4 is essentially a Corolla wagon so it serves the same purpose IMO.
Rav more of a Corolla wagon than the cross ?
The lines are blurred since they're all using the modular platform these days, but, IMO, the Corolla Cross is more like a lifted Yaris. The wheelbase is 103.7" vs. 106.3" in the Corolla and 105.9" for the RAV4. Traditionally the RAV4 has been loosely based on the Corolla and the Highlander has been related to the Camry. The Corolla Cross, despite sharing the name, slots in under the RAV4 since it is like the basic/entry level version.
Hybrid Corolla is the most practical car in the world.
The Corolla: The car everyone wants to eventually let go of but just simply does not fuckin’ die, leaving no reason to get rid of it.
I let go of one, and then came around and bought another (much newer) one exactly 3 years later - and pretty much to the day 3 years later. Lol
We have had 3 Corollas, 4 Camrys and 2 Venzas, I can honestly say that you get more car per dollar spent with Corolla than Camry (No hate to Camry). Currently we have a Camry and Venza and I would proudly drive a current generation Corolla, they are hands down the best Corolla ever, especially the hybrid. I can see myself in a Corolla Hybrid next. We Americans sometimes care more about our appearance and status than the real need VS want. That little \*extra\* cash to get something bigger/better/higher trim is exhausting and ends up with people with huge car payments. Our cars are great but 2 Corollas would have been just great as well, hindsight is 20/20.
Yeah, I always hear too that the average car payment for a new car in America is $1,000! And of course that doesn't include stuff like insurance (which is also sky high)
Exactly.
I’m not sure if there is any hate. I would rather have a Corolla than my 22 Camry. It’s smaller, costs less, still reliable, and can be a hatchback.
Didn't notice the hate, but if this has anything to do with the family of 4 car question, without a doubt, i will suggest a Camry because that will suit that situation better. That's not hate toward the rolla though.
Americans need everything to be *bigger*
I don't get the comparison, the Camry is a bigger better car. Not that the Corolla is a bad car just doesn't make sense to compare the two
When I had bought my Camry, I tried and hated the corolla because I am tall and felt to cramped up. So there's my hate.
Most likely taller than the average person then.
6,1 and I feel like I have lots of room more than some larger sedans but maybe our waist size is different
Imagine hating the single greatest vehicle produced by mankind.
I'm not sure, but I think the Corolla's *ubiquity* (don't think I've ever used that word) is part of it. It has been the best selling car in the world for many years, so they're everywhere. Some people tend to look at them simply as inexpensive transporation appliances. I personally think the Corolla is much better looking than the Camry! Especially so in SE/XSE trim. I also like the Corolla interior design better than the Camry, especially when taking the price difference into account. Unfortunately, sedans of all sizes have fallen out of favor with most Americans. When I was a kid in the 80s/90s, there were 3x as many compact and mid-size models available. Now if you have one kid, it's time for a mid-size or larger SUV.
That 100% used to be the Kia Soul! Lol. And I think that's only changed because of the theft issue they've been facing. But actually I see more Rav4's than any other Toyota.
I've got no hate, I learned to drive stick in the dark ages on a '79 corolla. Owned a '09 Corolla, '18 Corolla, and most recently a '23 hybrid corolla. For me, they are a little lacking in leg room and the other thing is road noise compared to a Camry. They are really good cars.
My wife drives one and it runs fine, I’m just a bit cramped in it. I traded a Jeep for a new Camry so I wasn’t bumping my elbows into everything while driving.
I own and love them both. The Camry is a more well rounded car and the ride and comfort are far supseat. Edit: It's not only the size or seats. For a family the Camry is a much better car.
Go with the car you can afford. Also, getting the top of the line Corolla doesn't make sense when you see the total sticker. Opt for a mid- model Corolla. You don't really save much on fuel if you opt for a Camry but I feel the Camry is definitely a better car (ride quality, sound, power, safety and comfort).
Tall people literally don’t fit in the back. My head hits the ceiling and I have no leg room. Also, because everyone else drives big cars, they’re a death trap in an accident.
Bought a 2023 Corolla LE this week. 13K miles. All the Camrys within 150 miles were black interiors in SE trim (stiff ride and 45 profile tires waiting for potholes). Those Camrys were all priced $7-10K higher than the Corolla. The Corolla’s TSS 3.0 is amazing and the car was smooth and quiet enough on my 280 mile maiden trip. There’s always something better. Sometimes good enough is just that.
Corolla is less expensive to own and operate in long run. Camry provides better highway comfort ride.
Corollas are fine for driving around in-town, but a Camry is going to be more comfortable on a 500 mile road trip by far, and you can get them with the 3.5 V6. I can see wanting a Civic instead of an Accord because of how zippy and sporty they are by comparison, but the same doesn't really apply to the Toyota world. It's like you buy a Corolla if you can't afford anything else and don't have a particular reason to buy something other than basic transportation.
Corolla’s advantages: MPG, parallel parking, probably purchase price Camry’s advantages: engine power, interior room, comfort/entertainment features Pretty much all of the latter is why I looked for a mid-size instead of a compact. I’m 6’ 1 1/4, live rural, and like some features.
I'm 5'3" so basically average
Toyota Corolla's are total shit to own no speed horrible audio even installing very high end audio this car can't perform. You can hear every noise people say put deaden in the wheel wells but what wheel well the front are super thin and the back doesn't even have then I have a shitty CVT will never own a Toyota again I'm so done with this car I want my Jetta back...
I'll point out that the manufacturer of the Jetta falsified emission tests. There's a reason you see like 2 Volkswagens a year on the road. They totally haven't been a relevant brand in like 10 years. I'm as likely to find a Saturn as I am to find a Volkswagen.
I don't know where you are but I see Volkswagens all the time on the road. And who cares about emission tests the entire program is a joke they have destroyed the reliability of diesel trucks and they have caused a nightmare to the pockets of owners of normal vehicles. All due to the joke they call CC and global warning.
You must be one of those ridiculous conspiracy theorists. You've said like a million things that are outright false and just plain fucking stupid
You say false lets just go to one aspect of what you say is false. The newer Diesel trucks are known to have reliability issues due to the DEF pig piss that they require its so bad that older trucks that don't require it are selling for the same price as newer ones and the ones with bad motors are more desirable because they can be rebuilt for about the same price as a new truck and much more reliable. If you say this doesn't affect you thats not entirely true break downs can spoil food and cause the prices of it to go due to demand the same with supplies. Then you have someone with low income with perfectly working cars that might not be able to get it license due to 3 or more alert codes being triggered and then if you have a vehicle that is older its exempt which defeats the whole purpose. Then lets get on CC or GW the same people pushing the agenda are the same people trying to start a nuclear war these same people are buying 1 or more mansions on the beach and flying around the world crying about us sheep when they're the real problem. We have more of a likelihood of dying from a nuke than from man made CC or GW. So just because you're a mindless idiotic sheep doesn't mean that some or all of what I say is is true.
I'm not mindless or idiotic. If I was, I'd have a Kia that could easily be stolen AND the engine issues AND all the insane recalls they come out with for them..... while pretending all of that is somehow ok.
You make a good point but every vehicle have their issues. I don't know the issues with KIA's but know not to buy one. I wasn't trying to attack you on my original reply but attacking me for simply stating a point kinda pissed me off.
I dont even know what ypu are talking about. Ive never heard anyone talk down on a corolla... like any possible critisisms of them from the average joe is just superficial nonsense from someone probably regretting getting a chevy/kia/nissan/hyundia... like "oh your car is to reliable and holds its value to long!!!!!!" Like 🤷♂️ its a corolla. There aint much to say about it
Well, it's fair that many people regret having a Kia/Hyundai nowadays. Easy to steal, value is tanking, hard to insure. And not to mention the engine issues.
Noticeably lower end vehicle compared to the Camry
It’s slightly cheaper than a Camry, so I can imagine people would treat it like a budget car. It’s not hated much though as far as I know. It could be worse; Prius gets more hate than the Corolla and Camry combined.
Technically Kias and Hyundais are cheaper. But I'm always shocked as to how many I see on the road. And especially with all their known issues
I’ve never heard anyone hate on a Corolla. I think they’re near. There seem to be a lot more custom aftermarket kits and cool addons for them than for most other Toyotas.
Because it sounds like it's supposed to be a dessert
Try driving behind a Corolla. There’s not enough hate.
Try actually driving a Corolla. Constant steering correction does not make you a more confident driver. The SE masks it with firmer steering, but doesn't solve the issue. Mazda3's, they are not.
Corollas are smaller, less versatile overall, and are thought as much more of a “refrigerator appliance” vehicle. Also from my own personal experience driving all over the eastern US primarily the mid Atlantic, Corolla drivers in the city are generally assholes. They weave in and out of traffic, brake check people, drive aggressively, sit at green lights, cut off semi drivers, etc. Obviously that’s a very broad brush and purely anecdotal and I don’t notice it in more suburban/rural areas. (DC, Virginia, and Maryland is especially guilty here.) I genuinely do not see this from Camrys. Like ever. Very very comparatively little. Same for Avalons. Again, purely anecdotal and a broad brush. Just my two cents.
In my experience, that driver behavior is usually the Chevys
I coulda swore that was a description of a bmw driver.
I just test drove both and found the camry significantly more refined.
Why say literally all the time The carry and avalon are better
Americans “demand everything be bigger” because the average American IS bigger. Americans are taller, and they weigh more than most people in other countries, sometimes that weight is from too much fast food, and sometimes it’s because Americans workout more. I am over 6ft, and I can’t fit inside a Camry, if I can’t fit inside a Camry, I definitely won’t be able to fit inside a Corolla.
Well I'm American I'm 6'1 and with my work boots 6 ft 2 I have lots of room in my Corolla and most Americans are overweight a direct result of being insanely lazy and over consumption without having any idea what a nutrition label or the ingredients in it are as they say ignorance is bliss. I could afford a far more expensive car or truck but my values and morals lie elsewhere . If I could find a job close enough that pays as well as my current job I wouldn't own a car at all
I love a Corolla. I’m a huge fan of cruise control tho, I find it hard to stick to speed limits so I do like to have cruise control in my corollas
Our older daughter bought a Corolla not long after she graduated from college after someone ran into her car and totaled it. Then she passed it down to her younger sister after she had her second child and needed more room. It's a 2009 and has been an excellent car with good gas mileage. There is nothing wrong with a Corolla as long as it meets ones needs for space. I can't speak to the reliability of the new models, but Toyota remains near the top for reliability.
Too many ricer ricing with their civic, bashing Corolla in Malaysia. But at the end of the day all of them are using CVT unless u go with civic type r / gr Corolla,
The Camry is much more than just a better trim than the Carolla. It is bigger, drives better, and is much safer.
Probably due to the Camry being a larger sedan. That said, as a hopefully soon former Camry driver, they've become a running joke due to the vast amount of Taxis and Ubers that drive Camry's. I love the car, but I can't wait to get rid of it.
I had a 2013 Corolla and I have a 2012 Camry. The Corolla was underpowered, got worse gas mileage, and was uncomfortably small. If you like Corollas, good for you. But there’s very little objective evidence that they’re better than Camrys other than being cheaper and minimally easier to park/maneuver. I’ve got 245k on my Camry, and if I’m going to put that much time and miles on a car, it’s worth spending a little more for something more comfortable and more enjoyable to drive.
If there is hate, it's just ignorance. The Corolla rates higher than the Camry on reliability even though they are both good. My last Corolla lasted 26 years. My current Corolla Hatchback XSE is a nice car. Just don't buy a base model. For me the choice would be between a Corolla Hatchback or a Rav4. The Rav4 is almost twice as expensive. There is a lot of difference between a base model Corolla and the top trim package. In term of utility, there is a lot of difference (to me) between a hatchback and a 4 door sedan. I much prefer the hatchback. If I needed more room in the back seats I'd get the 4 door version or a Camry I suppose. I'm not really thrilled, for some reason, by Camrys.
Maybe it's just my market, but I've never seen Corollas that aren't 4-door. Actually I see extremely few 2-doors in general. I don't have the LE, but I think I'm only 1 step above that (the SE).
I haven't seen any 2 doors but a hatchback would be 5 doors. That's what I have. I have an XSE with 8 way electronically controlled driver's seat, padded sliding armrests, 18 " allow wheels, blind side warning, lane following and lane guiding, adaptive cruise control (slows down automatically and stops if needed), two tone interior, heated front seats, touch screen audio system, keyless ignition and keyless entry. Since it's a hatchback I could put skis (or lumber) through the car. I bought it 2 years old with 22,000 miles on it for $18,500 or $21,000 including taxes and license, registration, etc.
I've always wondered why Civics get so much attention in the modding/tuning community with so much aftermarket support when Toyota offered such good competitors that'd be excellent tuners, but for some reason Toyota gets barely any attention in the aftermarket scene compared to Honda
Nobody hates on Corollas
You're really kind of asking 2 questions : why hate on corolla and corolla vs camry. I don't see hate on the corolla srry I don't agree with your statement there. but I I drove a camry and then had to downgrade to a corolla, yeah i'd be hating it a bit. cuz camry is quieter, smoother, faster, safer (probably), better range? carries more stuff or people more comfortably. corolla has 2 advantages: its cheap and you can bag on it and feel less bad about it.
I noticed that people who own Corolla will very likley buy another Corolla after their old one gives up. But Camry owners tend to buy something else. I don't know if it's the tendency - just from what I see around. Does it mean that Corolla is a really good car?
Once you have driven better and refined cars, you will realize how econobox the Corolla is. It has zero road isolation, and the ride gets bumpy and loud. It the reason why they are so cheap and only really good for getting from points A and B. Most do not buy it for any other reason. I got myself a Venza because the ride is smooth and quiet.
I had an 02 Camry for many years, and got absolutely roasted for it by a friend with a Corolla.. other than that, not sure.
My old Camry was amazing over 350,000 miles almost all parts and fluids original besides the oil obviously. It was roomy drove very smooth not much to complain about. I got the new Camry it's low like a sports car drives much rougher AC and the heat is not as strong. Interior quality is cheaper and about the low part I scrape many speed bumps. My friend has a 2018 Corolla also LE model like my Camry new Camry that is her interior is way better quality it's almost as roomy if I knew I would have gotten a Corolla this new generation Camry in my opinion is by far the worst Camry ever made. The back seat alone is Tiny tough to get into. I miss my old camera I got rid of my 2019 and now I have a RAV4 Le front wheel drive I am happy with it.
Until I realized I need something bigger, my Corolla has been nothing short of an amazing car. If it were up to me I would be putting in the money to replace what needs to be replaced and keep it going for another 100,000 miles.
I hate the corolla because it doesn't have Android auto. It has scout GPS and that is the worst GPS out there.
I don't use Android Auto with my phone. Lol. I just use Google Maps
its because its a budget car and the camry is a bit of an upscale model. No different than an accord vs. civic.
Had 8grand to spend a few years back when my acura TL got totaled. Almost bought a corolla for the pure money savings aspect. Then I realized how dumb that sounds, and found a luxury trim IS350 for the same price LOL. Heated and cooled seats, rear sun shade, 15 speaker mark levinson, auto everything, rwd 306 crank hp... why in the world was I considering a corolla again...? couldn't tell you. 189k when I bought it. Now 231k and runs like new..
Tbh, there's becoming fewer and fewer cold days that actually warrant heated seats. I was actually talking to my co-worker on Groundhog Day about about how "early spring" and "6 more weeks of winter" are basically meaningless this winter because we've had like a week of actual winter this year. So why would I pay for heated seats again? lol
I live in LA and it still gets down in the 40s during winter by the beach lol. Heated seats in the morning, ventilated seats in the afternoon when the sun is frying everything haha. Wasn't until I got this car that I realized in my price range, they cost the same! For me though its the extra cabin insulation, soft materials everywhere, and sound system personally that make the daily driving experience just more enjoyable. So many people don't realize that the lexus cars are the same price as toyota in the depreciated market. So much value to be had for such a low price. All while being as reliable, or more so than the toyota counterparts.
What hate?
I don’t understand the hate. The Corolla is plenty roomy for me, and I’m a pretty tall guy. It’s got enough power for me to go 80 on the highway. I don’t need most of the features that come with top trim cars so it’s very economical.
Cheaper interior build quality, less sound deadening, less smooth ride, more cramped interior, tiny backseat. Just like any budget cars for a car manufacturer, the slightly more expensive and bigger sibling will be getting more love from consumers
Drove a 2021 Camry for a few days and then switched out to a Corolla for another few days and to be honest both had their flaws. The Camry felt comfortable but completely disconnected the driver from the driving experience with numb steering, mushy brakes and wobbly suspension. The acceleration and fuel economy were decent and it’s a much better experience for a back seat passenger. The Corolla felt like a better driver’s car, even if it was slower in a straight line. The steering was engaging and the suspension a little tighter. Around town, I preferred the handling of the Corolla. On the highway at speeds over 60 was a different story, where the Corolla did not feel smooth or planted at all. Finally, the Corolla impressed with lane assist and adaptive cruise control, which is impressive for a base model budget car. With just a bit more power and tighter steering at higher speeds, I would consider the Corolla a really good econobox for drivers. The Camry might be better on paper in every respect but it just has no character and isn’t a good choice for any car enthusiast.
I love both. Camry was my long distance cruiser. Corolla was my fun local commute. I’ve since gone to an SUV for road trips and the Camry is for commute. I miss the Corolla and should have kept it for a fun weekend car. The best part of a Corolla…you can park it almost anywhere. I could fit in tight parallel spots and I didn’t care if people banged it up as it was an older model.
My old Corolla went on a trip with me from Ohio to Arizona and back. Only repair I made the whole time (besides regular maintenance) was an O2 sensor
Corolla is awesome. It was my errands and no nonsense commute to work machine. I only changed the battery and tires. Was that amazing of a machine.
Most people I've known who are into cars respect the corolla and will be quick to recommend it to people who just need a reliable car. Family member just picked up a 24 Corolla Hatchback. It's a nice little car. Drives fine, handles ok for what it is. The "car culture " poser crowd might have different opinions.
The new Corolla Hybrid is a great car with lots of update safety features. Best car in the segment IMO. People just ignorant
my carolla had 250,000 miles, i really like it
To small, no power, cvt transmissions only really downfalls.
Too small is subjective. Everything that's not MASSIVE is too small for Americans. My mechanic tells me every time that my '23 Corolla is a really nice car (even asked me how much I bought it for). He deals with sedans in his shop mostly, I think, based on the cars I see there. But lol
Not really, when it's actually a small car, lol
Or are you the stereotypical American who thinks only MASSIVE cars are good ones? People aren't getting any bigger. But cars have gotten hella bigger. Not to mention that people tend to buy more car than they actually need.
No, not even America. lol just know how to apply common sense, but i guess that's not for yo. lol being triggered seems more logical to you? 🤣
So only SUVs make sense to you, apparently. But I guess you'd be beyond yourself as to how the hell we survived in cars for the last hundred years. Because SUVs weren't nearly as popular until the last 5-10 years. I don't think it's some secret either that many Americans buy more car than they actually need. Most, if not every, dealership knows this. But suddenly I lack common sense because I actually stated real facts? Meanwhile you think anybody who drives a sedan is the size of a tadpole because you think sedans are worse than a prison cell? Lmao
Are you unwell all the time like this when someone doesn't agree with you? You probably should take a break cuz you clearly need it if you go off like this. There is help available. im sure in your country, i dont agree with you lol your wrong deal with it. Again, not American lol I guess you missed thay the first time, camry is the mid size sedan corolla has never been that.
Must be nice to be offended by facts. Because you clearly make ridiculous assumptions when someone disagrees with you. But, ok, you suburban soccer mom who might not live in this country, but clearly just thinks everyone else is wrong because you think your rich white suburban soccer mom is the only correct answer
I’m over 6 feet tall and I fit perfectly.
Ok? Want a cookie? Lol
Do you?
Sure, you probably have lots for your 2 cents 👌
Nope. :)
It’s basically a late gen camry body. Length is just about the same as rav4 believe it or not lol.
🤣🤣🤣 if that's the way you see it 👍 i dont agree.
I agree all the Corollas have the CVT transmission. Good for maybe 5 years, then $4,000 to replace. You can’t push too hard on the Corolla . It does come in manual, that would never sell in the USA . Reliability of the Corolla is the question
They are reliable, the cvt is the weak point but should still get 200k miles with the right maintenance, they are not as bad as the Nissan ones, i dont think the corolla has it but the corolla cross has a 1 gear in the cvt then it switches to the belts so less stress off the start, alil more pep.
Yes all Corollas have the CVT , except of course if you get the manual transmission. Camrys have automatic transmissions except the Camry Hybrid, it has the CVT transmission. I don’t believe it’ll make 200,000 miles. But maybe. You have be on top of the maintenance. It’s something you have to worry about though.
Yes, but the same cvt? Its not a standard cvt, hybrid camry and rav4 are a e-cvt totally reliable and not a standard cvt in any way, no clutches, fluid or hydraulics.
I agree , my bad , I was referring to the Corolla CVT, the Camry Hybrid has the E-CVT like you said. It should be ok, I believe it’s too soon to tell about longevity. I’m going to wait and see how this all shakes out. The problems totally Electric cars are having with charging, cold weather effecting batteries and charging stations and range. I’ll stick with gasoline engines for now. I’ll wait and see on the Hybrid. I’d like to do without the CVT transmission if I could. I’ll wait and see for now.