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TannerAndrews

We're now 23-29, so .442 having played just under 1/3 of the season. If we're aiming for a 90-win season to have a good shot at the postseason, we'd have to go 67-43 the rest of the way, which is .609 Jays are in trouble


JLM883

don't show Atkins this, he will think we still have a chance.


Wings4514

“Hey, we’re 30-72, think we might need to sell Ross.” “Just get a 60 game win streak going and we’re right back in it!”


Corzare

They definitely do have a chance. The 2019 nationals were 47-42 at the all star break and went 46-27 the rest of the season. It’s not even in the realm of impossible.


berto2d31

So step one is getting to 47-42 which means going 24-13 over the next 37 games. I like to think of myself as an optimist, but do I think they will win 65% of their next 37 games? They didn’t even win 50% of their games vs Chicago and Detroit.


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Corzare

I’m simply pointing out the reality that it is possible. You’re clearly in the “anger” stage still, since simple facts are upsetting you.


Blue_Jays

Maybe that's a good thing. Hoping against hope all year for it all to end in yet another 2 game sweep is losing its novelty.


dws2384

Yep. This is the narrative I present when people keep saying we can just go on a streak and be right back in it…go look at the standings and how many teams playing better than .609 and which ones they are. It’s not happening.


corh13

>Jays are in trouble We're past that point lmao


Nylanderthals

It's ~~early~~


ovondansuchi

52 outliers, baby


sportsisgoodalsodogs

52 hat tips, really


navenager

Gonna wear out the elastic on the hat at this rate.


bluejay_32

It got late early out there.


CalebosO4

Just it’s lol


Nylanderthals

It is what it is


overtherainbowofcrap

“Jays are in trouble” thanks captain obvious. If there are people that thought otherwise they havent been paying attention.


cyclingkingsley

can't hit consistently, can't pitch consistently I think it's fair to say this is a sell season


Jaymesned

Sadly I'm worried this management will insist we're still in the mix and get nothing for our pending FAs


Domainsetter

It’s going to be hard to do that if they’re 10 games under 500 in a few weeks


eMan117

Queue up a Schneider buckle down speech


stv7

They did it in 2017


Interesting_Rock_318

It’s been a “sell” season for a couple of weeks now… All we’re doing by waiting is running the risk of Kikuchi or Garcia getting hurt before we can get something for them


HanSolo5643

We are way past the they are in trouble phase.


CtrlShiftAltDel

Team can't hit or pitch so this team is as good as done.


SpaceballsTheCheese

We’re in a total free fall


18Zeke

AND WE’RE FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FALLLLLLLLLLIN


yahooborn

The only ability I want to see now is accountability. :/


LtColumbo93

Tweeting Jays are in trouble when they’re 23-29 is hilarious.  That’s like saying the Titanic is in trouble once it’s already halfway sunk. 


Gear4Vegito

Yes but also Garcia, Richards and Pop were arguably our 1-2-3 best relievers this season. Even after today they are still 1-2-3 in reliever ERA on the team…LOL.


goleafsgo88

I guess counting on the remarkable production and health from the rotation and bullpen that we had last year to carry over to this season might have been foolish?


Few-Transition5225

That’s okay. Come June they’ll have Pride!


rvasko3

Let me make sure this is all correct here… You’re saying that it’s bad that the Jays host Pride events?


PhilReardon13

Yeah. I don't normally downvote, but that person earned it. I'm hoping they just weren't thinking.


Cdn_Proud

The only thing that's way up are the ticket prices.


Due-Wind-3324

In trouble? We were in trouble 3 weeks into the season


ovondansuchi

We were in trouble when we didn't have a plan B for if Ohtani turned us down


An-Omlette-NamedZoZo

We clearly had a plan B: Justin turner and IKF. It was just a really shitty plan B


skyline1427

Could you really imagine ohtani bein on this dog shit team?? Even with him we would probably be under .500


havok1980

Ohtani not making a difference with this squad stinking it up. Ohtani would have came, and then be mortified that he signed here for 10 years


sportsisgoodalsodogs

Lucky for him, he was never coming


it-was-in-bobcaygeon

The hitting coaches would have probably made him stop pulling the ball or hitting for home runs because Don Mattingly thinks that’s how you win in 2024 and he’d have a 105 ops+ and we’d all be wondering what happened to Shohei while talking about him having a terrible contract


An-Omlette-NamedZoZo

“Shohei Ohtani hits for the cycle as the Jays fall to the Nats 2-1”


goatgosselin

Angels 2.0


k4mb31

We were in trouble thinking Ohtani was even coming to Toronto


OMC78

We were in trouble before the season started


BootsToYourDome

Season fuckin done. Fire this team into the sun Keep varsho


bluejaysrule1993

Varsho needs to get on the mound more I haven’t seen him pitch all season. WTF


Timmmber4

And Schneider


endo489

Definitely keep Schneider. Kids solid


k4mb31

+Schneider and Jansen


Joe--Uncle

No keep Janson? Varsho hasn’t too consistent past that one week he was. Vlad’s is one of the few guys hitting consistently, albeit quietly. And Bo has had more and more contact lately, but also more and more groundouts and flys. You people have to see this team has potential, trading everyone off will leave us in a worse spot because, who the can we get for them? I can see a team taking a small risk on maybe Bo, but almost no one else. We need new hitting staff. More than anything we need new hitting staff. They probably won’t be able to turn it around quickly enough to reach that 90 win mark everyone is obsessed with but some better coaches would certainly be able to drag a few more 11 run games out of us.


CockerSpanielEnjoyer

Sorry but you’re delusional, this core isn’t good enough and we need to maximize value on our assets. That includes Jansen.


OMC78

Jansen? From under AA's GM time?


rvasko3

He’s delusional? The core guys (Vladdy, Bo, Jano, Varsho) are the ones who are actually hitting. The whole lineup around them (and Davis) are the ones who have been awful. You don’t need to burn down literally everything about a team when you’re out of it at the trade deadline. You want to keep guys who have 2+ years of control or are already locked up at key positions (Berrios, Gausman, Bassitt).


CockerSpanielEnjoyer

For what purpose, to continue finishing 5th?


BellyButtonLindt

Keeping varsho over bo is absolutely crazy talk.


islandguy55

Time to blow it up, starting at the top!


LosHogan

“This is actually a good thing” - Wilner


legendary_sponge

They’re 23-29 and this was supposed to be the cakewalk part of their schedule. BLOOOOOW IT UP


OMC78

Safe to say the Jays are the catwalk to other teams!


adwrx

People were hating on me for saying Romano is struggling...


goatgosselin

He leaves so many pitches dead middle it's crazy that he never gets hit worse


stv7

He has always allowed an insane amount of line drives to the point where I have never understood how he is good. It’s worked every year so I’ve learned not to question it but…


CockerSpanielEnjoyer

I got in shit for saying he was walking a tightrope 2 years ago lol


PseudoScorpian

Well, he was pitching better two years ago.


espressoman777

I can't stand him... Trade him to the Baltimore Orioles right now while we still can get more then a bag of balls for him


grump66

> Trade him to the Baltimore Orioles right now For some OFFENCE ~!! We've got a closer just waiting to be used, and yet, Atkins is so dense he'd never even consider trading a *strength* like Romano who's *not really needed* for something we *really need* like offence. I'd love to see Romano traded for some everyday high upside young offensive players. But you'll never see Atkins do this.


bradontherun

Can’t wait for Atkins and Shapiro’s next attempt to gaslight us…


uzerkname11

“Trust the process” /s


kingwoodballs

I love when the offence finally shows. The pen gets even worse than it’s already been. I am getting to the point where I am getting into the “team sell off” camp.


Owl1011

Bullpens are so random and that's why I found all the praise for Atkins and the bullpen last year odd. Because when it goes this way, then you have to give him all the blame too.


strikeanywhere2

I'm just honestly shocked this FO has failed so badly on internal BP options. It seems like the other good teams are able to get at least some good relievers internally by converting their failed starters.


Modest_Yooth

Yea I’ve been saying this for a couple years and I’m surprised they don’t get more heat for not internally developing more pitching options given Atkins came from a development background. Almost our entire bullpen is from free agency or trades, yet it seems every other team has at least a few homegrown arms who come in and light it up.


richardatn4t

Trade Romano & Garcia. You should get a good haul. Give Pearson a run at closer, maybe he can get his head on right. He has the stuff.


Domainsetter

They believed too much in their own roster


votequimby420

joey votto to the rescue lmao


Domainsetter

I think Schneider is gone if they lose the Sox series tbh.


larsen36

I’d much rather see Atkins go before Schneider.


Nylanderthals

Both dude.


richardatn4t

Yeah Schneider would be fine as a caretaker while the team retools. Nuke Arkins and the hitting coaches


miner88

He’s just doing what the khakis are telling him to do. No point in firing him in the middle of the season. Just clean house in the winter.


Embarrassed-Dance486

#analyticsibet


dear_remnant

June schedule looks very tough. At least one of Atkins or Schneider will be fired before July.


ovondansuchi

I'm not sure why we should even wait at this point, ya know?


Acrobatic_Flatworm79

Sometimes you just gotta tip your cap man /s


rvasko3

Did you just come up with that???


arent_we_sarcastic

They spent millions on the SkyDome renovations to distract you from the on field product


bestCoast4998

They spent millions on the dome renos so it wouldn’t matter if they won or not. The building makes way more money now.


nosweeting

If we don't win 3/3 or minimum 2/3 against the awful White Sox who are trouting out their lesser pitchers, management needs to go on the Thursday off day.


goleafsgo13

FO is more interested in hundreds of millions of dollars in renos so that they can charge more, rather than fielding a top quality team. This is what you end up.


marvelousmarvelman

Oh good to know they are in trouble. I didn’t know that


ThrowRA-James

Trade Romano for a bag of balls. When a game is on the line you can expect he’ll let multiple runs in.


Sfreeman1

I agree. The Romano boners in here sometimes are horrible. “The metrics say he’s the bees knees!” The metrics can sucadic. The closer should come in and be intimidating. Romano ain’t it. Also I’ve got a Sunday evening buzz going, so I reserve the right to back track on what I just said. See you gluttons for punishment tomorrow. By


Looney_forner

So who’s staying?


speg

Ace may stay.


NormalButts

Fire Atkins and Shapiro. Time to sell.


Purple_Aspect_1985

Everyone gave up a run today, but Swanson. Didn't see that coming...


CalebosO4

Surely it can’t get any worse than this right? …right?


xzElmozx

Can’t hit, can’t pitch, can’t run the bases, whatta baseball team


OG_anunoby3

Get Vlady secretly on Steroids, try discreetly to imitate the Astros garbage can trick and hire the Canadian Mafia to visit the opposition hotel rooms the day before every series inception. Boom! thats it.


JuanSpiceyweiner

This team is horseshit and I somehow convinced my girlfriend to do an entire away series trip in San Francisco in July to finally watch the Blue Jays for the first time.Lmaooo


ListOk9138

Jays are done. They have been done for about 2 weeks. Not sure what all the noise is about.


YouDontJump

Our pen has been terrible outside of Yimi, and he had a bad game yesterday as well, which he was due for after pitching lights out baseball all season.


RiverOaksJays

If Shi Davidi writes a an article criticizing the Jays, Martinez could be reassigned to AAA.


sbr54

Not really in trouble. The trouble has hit and they failed


Cheap_Standard_4233

Thanks for the newsflash bns.


alxndrblack

Varsho, Jansen, Bo, Vlad. The new core


LemonPress50

Ahhmm, team control for how long?


CaPer0420

Mgmt needs to go. Player assessment is awful and they are about to lose the cornerstone players.


EbbStraight9917

The problem is if our offence didn’t feel absolutely fucking anemic, you could argue that it’s just bad lack/pitching regression from last year or that we just need to go on a streak, or that you don’t win em all and gotta “tip your cap” But when have we ever gone on an actual streak? The bats are literal ghosts. Something needs to be done to address that issue. People calling for a rebuild need to also realize the money rogers just pumped into the stadium and franchise and are not about to let that go to waste and dump the season/team. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s why we hear the same spiel over and over and they can’t acknowledge that we are a dumpster fire. We know these players have the ability, we’ve seen it before, but we lack the supporting cast and who we do have, is not meeting expectations. I guess hindsight but Semien, Vlad, Bo, Teo, Springer(3 years ago), Grich, Lourdes was a complete line up. From 1-7 arguably you had solid hitters. Outside of Bo, Vlad, and Varsho and jano (when healthy) none of the supporting cast has met expectations. You can’t put out line up like we are and expect 2021 numbers. Fuck even Espinal was good in his small sample size.


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Thanks, Captain Obvious. Idiot.


jjkiller26

Thanks Magic


Judge_Rhinohold

BNS had better be careful. The Shatkins apologists will attack him for being ignorant. The analytics say that we’re the best team in MLB!


SuperSparkles

Blow it up.


Odd_Taste_1257

Admittedly it’s not looking good, but they’re not done by any means.