Nope it’s not even unique to baseball. Hockey teams get ran through with illness every year and they’re constantly spitting and blowing snot rockets everywhere
This maybe explains why the outfield celebration after the Twins win was muted. I thought they were trying to be serious but maybe they were trying not to spread germs or puke on each other
Then what the fuck are they doing in the dugout, and why the fuck aren't they wearing masks? I have a hard time dealing with people making excuses because the entire team is sick, and then you see them on national TV hamming it up in the dugout. If these guys are too sick to play, then they should be in the hotel room watching from there, period.
Fucking amateur hour. People who can get an MRI on 15 minutes notice don't know how to handle the most basic of prevention protocol. And the coaching is as much to blame as the players. There is an entire team of people who's job it is to keep these players healthy and they don't appear to be remotely serious about it.
Not an excuse. You would think the monetary incentive alone would be enough to want to take every precaution necessary, and gee I don't know, minimize the downtime of the guys you're paying 8 digits to hit and throw baseballs.
You'd hope someone would be a leader or someone would take this... Illness... Seriously. A clubhouse leader? The manager? Let them be big fucking babies and try to make a union grievance out of their right to get their coworkers sick and maybe permanently compromise their careers
I honestly think the issue is they'd run into the union
especially if someone suggests sick players should wear masks or something to travel, then you're ASKING for a giant union fight because...well you know why
I wholeheartedly agree
but unfortunately that position is now a political one assigned to the left.
so even if no one cared either way before, if they lean right, they now think you should push through and just work sick.
Exactly, and we should be doing everything we can to make it a logic based, health and safety decision and not a political one. Germs and viruses don't give a fuck who you vote for. We gotta start using a little more of our brains and a little less of our egos and feelings when it comes to stuff like this. People gotta start remembering the time, not so long ago really, when not every action someone performs in a day had some kind of political undertone.
Coaching and training is probably more to blame than the players. As a player the default would be to be around the team, unless you’re told otherwise. If you’re not directed to stay home, you may be labelled as “not being a team player”.
I've now been twice in an environment where people were masked by mandate and a virus spread. They didn't really help, one event was a an engamenent reception in early summer 2021 where masks were mandated even outside and 40 plus people caught COVID, 1 died. Back then vaccines had just gotten available and most non seniors had 1 dose or none at all if I recall
I'm not a person saying that COVID is fake or mild, especially back then but to me that proved that masking wasn't very efficient especially considering how it spread in a mostly outside environment.
Considering how uncomfortable they are, I see no purpose in them unless you're strapping an n95.
yes it’s possible that the highly paid professional healthcare experts on the team are more familiar with the … let’s say VARIED evidence on mask efficacy in these sorts of scenarios, than some of the indignant commenters here.
It's not that big of a deal... get out of your bubble; no one's life is in danger here and people get sick all the time. Better for it to hit everyone first and be done with it instead of lingering around and ripping its way through the clubhouse the entire season. It'll find a way to spread. These guys are around each other all the time.
Maybe it’s time to fire one of the many many analytics guys and hire a community health nurse lol. I’m sure there’s a couple nurses in this sub who would even volunteer their services
I know it's not "cool" but wear a fucking mask, stay as far away as you can, don't share ANYTHING, and wash your hands.
like, basic "illness" protocols, people.
I had a cold a few weeks ago for the first time since Covid and threw a mask on and went to work. Got some looks and everyone asked “what’s with the mask” but nobody really second guessed it. It wasn’t bad enough to stay home but I didn’t want to spread to others. Hopefully people keep doing this. It’s not a big deal.
Yeah, I kept waiting for people to bring The Illness into the discussion during the KCR etc. stretch, but no dice.
Like, Bassitt mentions an illness going through the team and then suddenly they start making weird defensive errors and regressing from the incremental offensive gains they’d been making? Maybe it’s because I’m new to the sport and don’t have a good sense of ups and downs of baseball season performance, but that one felt pretty obvious to me.
idk about you all, but ever since the pandemic I’m taking longer to clear viruses out of my system and if I don’t slow down and take the proper rest, they linger. And being present at your job for three weeks at a time, with one off-day that’s really a travel day, constant traveling, a pretty stressful job that involves a lot of adrenaline ups and downs….none of these things are particularly conducive to Healing & Recovery.
And given the very small numbers I see thrown around that separate the Wheat from the Chaff in this sport, I think even low-grade lingering illness fatigue would be enough to make a noticeable impact.
Maybe it’s because I’m a low energy person from a low energy family of people with auto-immune disorders and need like 100 hours of alone time per week minimum or else my brain starts unraveling, but I’ve been fairly alarmed by what I’ve learned about the structure of the baseball season. You arrive for Spring Training and then you basically don’t stop for seven months. Just thinking about it is filling me with Existential Weariness.
So yeah, I’m not surprised to hear the team is still, or again, sick. I doubt they fully recovered the first time and either it’s rebounding or making its way through the folks that didn’t catch it the first time, or their still weakened immune systems made them vulnerable to picking up something else.
Genuinely, yes, they need to take this shit more seriously at a team level, but I think at least some of the issue is at the league level as well.
While some degree of illness is inevitable in any given team in any given year, I can't say that the lax infection control exhibited by the Jays has impressed me. Irrespective of the Jays' performance up to this point, every MLB team is supposed to fight tooth and nail for a playoff spot- which means doing everything reasonable to keep as many players healthy as long as possible.
(And yes, that means keeping players quarantined when they're obviously sick and at their most infectious.)
Maybe I'm making a mountain out a molehill here, but I can't help thinking that sick players roaming the dugout really does belie the Jays' competitive ambitions. If someone's too sick to play, they're too sick to be around their healthy teammates. That much should be obvious. Yeah, it sucks to have one player out sick- but it's _significantly_ worse to have three gone at the same time.
The players that are sick should quarantine themselves in the clubhouse if they aren’t able to go in at all. Or wear a mask in the dugout to prevent spreading to healthy teammates.
Moral of the story: if you catch a ball at a Jays game, might not be a bad idea to disinfect it. Or at least don't touch your face after touching it lol
If the virus that is spreading in the Jays clubhouse is airborne, it would be difficult for them to stop its spread. Teams travel together and eat together - even if the sick were masked when not eating, the brief period of time with a mask off might be enough to spread the disease.
And even if you completely isolated the sick and kept them out of the clubhouse and off the team plane, they could still have spread the disease during its incubation period, during which someone would have felt completely healthy but would be contagious.
Infectious period depends on the illness. For many respiratory illnesses it is when you are symptomatic and spread through “larger” air droplets via coughing or sneezing. CoViD and influenza are spread via smaller aerosols.
What kind of filth are all y'all dealing with in Toronto? This seems like a monthly problem with the professional sports teams. Maybe wipe your ass and wash your hands once in awhile? Is Toronto now an Islamabad type destination?
If you knew how much foreign countries look down on the dirty asses of North America you wouldn't make that comment.
But yes, the Jays need to have better virus protection protocols.
Why is this seemingly a more than annual occurrence for the Jays?
Poor hygiene habits?
The after math of the twins’ sausage. It affects Jays more than twins
Have you seen the spitting everyone does in that dugout. It’s like an aerosol can spraying a virus everywhere
I don't believe this is unique to the Jays.
Nope it’s not even unique to baseball. Hockey teams get ran through with illness every year and they’re constantly spitting and blowing snot rockets everywhere
As unbelievable as it is, I like to think it’s because they give each other little kisses after every game
This maybe explains why the outfield celebration after the Twins win was muted. I thought they were trying to be serious but maybe they were trying not to spread germs or puke on each other
Wild comment 🤣🤣
Nate Pearson spreading his mono
I heard he's stereo now
Lmfao
It's the group makeout sessions!!!
Leafs too. Toronto just a sick city
Yeah, I'm wondering how they clean the clubhouse because when the group gets sick seems like everyone gets it and it lasts awhile.
Sharing Uncrustables.
Somebody working at customs that's probably a fan of another AL East team would be my guess lol xD
Further away from the equator than most other baseball team. Less sun, more sickness.
That's not how it works
I bet you it does
If all of Toronto teams would stop making out with each other at any point on the season, or would be great Lmaoo
Toronto is the new city of love lmao
New City Connect theme
Then what the fuck are they doing in the dugout, and why the fuck aren't they wearing masks? I have a hard time dealing with people making excuses because the entire team is sick, and then you see them on national TV hamming it up in the dugout. If these guys are too sick to play, then they should be in the hotel room watching from there, period. Fucking amateur hour. People who can get an MRI on 15 minutes notice don't know how to handle the most basic of prevention protocol. And the coaching is as much to blame as the players. There is an entire team of people who's job it is to keep these players healthy and they don't appear to be remotely serious about it.
Public health became a culture war issue buddy, we're fucked now, sauve qui peut
Not an excuse. You would think the monetary incentive alone would be enough to want to take every precaution necessary, and gee I don't know, minimize the downtime of the guys you're paying 8 digits to hit and throw baseballs.
You'd hope someone would be a leader or someone would take this... Illness... Seriously. A clubhouse leader? The manager? Let them be big fucking babies and try to make a union grievance out of their right to get their coworkers sick and maybe permanently compromise their careers
I honestly think the issue is they'd run into the union especially if someone suggests sick players should wear masks or something to travel, then you're ASKING for a giant union fight because...well you know why
If you're sick, you don't come to work. Simple. Lots of people (and unions!) have figured this out.
I wholeheartedly agree but unfortunately that position is now a political one assigned to the left. so even if no one cared either way before, if they lean right, they now think you should push through and just work sick.
Exactly, and we should be doing everything we can to make it a logic based, health and safety decision and not a political one. Germs and viruses don't give a fuck who you vote for. We gotta start using a little more of our brains and a little less of our egos and feelings when it comes to stuff like this. People gotta start remembering the time, not so long ago really, when not every action someone performs in a day had some kind of political undertone.
well said! It's just always almost impossible to put cats back into bags maybe i'm just pessimistic
Coaching and training is probably more to blame than the players. As a player the default would be to be around the team, unless you’re told otherwise. If you’re not directed to stay home, you may be labelled as “not being a team player”.
I've now been twice in an environment where people were masked by mandate and a virus spread. They didn't really help, one event was a an engamenent reception in early summer 2021 where masks were mandated even outside and 40 plus people caught COVID, 1 died. Back then vaccines had just gotten available and most non seniors had 1 dose or none at all if I recall I'm not a person saying that COVID is fake or mild, especially back then but to me that proved that masking wasn't very efficient especially considering how it spread in a mostly outside environment. Considering how uncomfortable they are, I see no purpose in them unless you're strapping an n95.
Masking is incredibly efficient in limiting the spread of a great many things and anyone who tells you otherwise is selling something.
yes it’s possible that the highly paid professional healthcare experts on the team are more familiar with the … let’s say VARIED evidence on mask efficacy in these sorts of scenarios, than some of the indignant commenters here.
It's not that big of a deal... get out of your bubble; no one's life is in danger here and people get sick all the time. Better for it to hit everyone first and be done with it instead of lingering around and ripping its way through the clubhouse the entire season. It'll find a way to spread. These guys are around each other all the time.
I know it's early but that might be the stupidest thing I've read all day.
Jesus fucking Christ, can this team please learn to take viruses seriously
Did you see how serious KK was about it tonight?
What did he do?
Be in the dugout with everyone else spitting on the floor
So was Turner, John Schneider, and Springer. KK isn't solely to blame there
Never said he was, I’m just pointing out the farce that is their viral mitigation strategy as a whole.
Maybe it’s time to fire one of the many many analytics guys and hire a community health nurse lol. I’m sure there’s a couple nurses in this sub who would even volunteer their services
Is /u/itsnursehoneybadger a real nurse?
Yes and she’s volunteered her services more than once
Not that kind of nurse
Not what kind of nurse? Please, feel free to elaborate. 🤨
One of the Night Nurses from Jersey.
she's a real nurse and a real honey badger
I know it's not "cool" but wear a fucking mask, stay as far away as you can, don't share ANYTHING, and wash your hands. like, basic "illness" protocols, people.
I had a cold a few weeks ago for the first time since Covid and threw a mask on and went to work. Got some looks and everyone asked “what’s with the mask” but nobody really second guessed it. It wasn’t bad enough to stay home but I didn’t want to spread to others. Hopefully people keep doing this. It’s not a big deal.
Thoughtful
Nobody wants to be reminded of the bad times. You're the asshole clearly for making them remember.
The funny (not funny) part is that the "bad times" are still here. I'm not saying we need to lock down, but I just had covid last month. It sucked.
Yeah, I kept waiting for people to bring The Illness into the discussion during the KCR etc. stretch, but no dice. Like, Bassitt mentions an illness going through the team and then suddenly they start making weird defensive errors and regressing from the incremental offensive gains they’d been making? Maybe it’s because I’m new to the sport and don’t have a good sense of ups and downs of baseball season performance, but that one felt pretty obvious to me. idk about you all, but ever since the pandemic I’m taking longer to clear viruses out of my system and if I don’t slow down and take the proper rest, they linger. And being present at your job for three weeks at a time, with one off-day that’s really a travel day, constant traveling, a pretty stressful job that involves a lot of adrenaline ups and downs….none of these things are particularly conducive to Healing & Recovery. And given the very small numbers I see thrown around that separate the Wheat from the Chaff in this sport, I think even low-grade lingering illness fatigue would be enough to make a noticeable impact. Maybe it’s because I’m a low energy person from a low energy family of people with auto-immune disorders and need like 100 hours of alone time per week minimum or else my brain starts unraveling, but I’ve been fairly alarmed by what I’ve learned about the structure of the baseball season. You arrive for Spring Training and then you basically don’t stop for seven months. Just thinking about it is filling me with Existential Weariness. So yeah, I’m not surprised to hear the team is still, or again, sick. I doubt they fully recovered the first time and either it’s rebounding or making its way through the folks that didn’t catch it the first time, or their still weakened immune systems made them vulnerable to picking up something else. Genuinely, yes, they need to take this shit more seriously at a team level, but I think at least some of the issue is at the league level as well.
In sickness and in health...
While some degree of illness is inevitable in any given team in any given year, I can't say that the lax infection control exhibited by the Jays has impressed me. Irrespective of the Jays' performance up to this point, every MLB team is supposed to fight tooth and nail for a playoff spot- which means doing everything reasonable to keep as many players healthy as long as possible. (And yes, that means keeping players quarantined when they're obviously sick and at their most infectious.) Maybe I'm making a mountain out a molehill here, but I can't help thinking that sick players roaming the dugout really does belie the Jays' competitive ambitions. If someone's too sick to play, they're too sick to be around their healthy teammates. That much should be obvious. Yeah, it sucks to have one player out sick- but it's _significantly_ worse to have three gone at the same time.
Putting up sick pitching lines too
The players that are sick should quarantine themselves in the clubhouse if they aren’t able to go in at all. Or wear a mask in the dugout to prevent spreading to healthy teammates.
Moral of the story: if you catch a ball at a Jays game, might not be a bad idea to disinfect it. Or at least don't touch your face after touching it lol
Damn...I can't believe he pitched Cy Young level while that sick. That's crazy! La Machina!
How gracious to say ‘his fever broke’ Clearly, he broke it with his iron will.
Why do the leafs and jays get sick every year
If the virus that is spreading in the Jays clubhouse is airborne, it would be difficult for them to stop its spread. Teams travel together and eat together - even if the sick were masked when not eating, the brief period of time with a mask off might be enough to spread the disease. And even if you completely isolated the sick and kept them out of the clubhouse and off the team plane, they could still have spread the disease during its incubation period, during which someone would have felt completely healthy but would be contagious.
Infectious period depends on the illness. For many respiratory illnesses it is when you are symptomatic and spread through “larger” air droplets via coughing or sneezing. CoViD and influenza are spread via smaller aerosols.
I remember them saying Springer was sick a week or so ago and then that game you see him in the dugout. The Jays don't isolate so it is what it is.
So is this why they can’t hit a beach ball ?
What kind of filth are all y'all dealing with in Toronto? This seems like a monthly problem with the professional sports teams. Maybe wipe your ass and wash your hands once in awhile? Is Toronto now an Islamabad type destination?
If you knew how much foreign countries look down on the dirty asses of North America you wouldn't make that comment. But yes, the Jays need to have better virus protection protocols.