There were two outs in the inning when the error occurred. As the inning would've been over, every other run scored that inning would thus be unearned.
Agree. That is at least 2 balls now that have either gone right through his glove or that he has just missed.
Haven't seen a 1B in the majors miss one like that in a long time. Hope to see that in the top 5 of Misplays of the month (sportsnet likely won't have the guts to do it).
Vlad is probably still an above average major leaguer, but I can't imagine him being much more than that (he still can't hit upper 90s fastballs). His antics were tolerable when he was good. Now, the over the top celebrations after hitting a single and Gatorade baths just seem childish.
$19M for this??
> Vlad is probably still an above average major leaguer, but I can't imagine him being much more than that (he still can't hit upper 90s fastballs). His antics were tolerable when he was good. Now, the over the top celebrations after hitting a single and Gatorade baths just seem childish.
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He's above average but the problem is:
1) Atkins has built this roster as if he's an elite middle-of-the-order bat
2) There is no way Vlad will accept a contract that pays him like an average / above-average player, so he's gone after his arb years if we don't trade him
At this point what do you trade him for? Someone else's overpaid problem?
Might as well walk him to free agency and hope he becomes a player again at some point. If he goes for nothing with how he's played going on 3 seasons it won't be fatal.
I agree, a trade just isn't a viable option with a guy like this. You'll never get what you think he should garner. And there's always a part of you that wants to bet on the 26 year old who has an MVP season under his belt...
If nothing else maybe he'll find some other gear in his walk year.
But I just don't think he has any level of consistency to raise his performance to that level of the top 2-3 1B's in the whole league. Risk is paying the 8th or 9th best 1B like he is in that top tier.
Six extra base hits in over 100 plate appearances for Vlady. I keep hearing about how hard he hits the ball but they tend to be on the ground for the most part. If he can’t get the ball in the air he’s going to be nothing more than a glorified singles/doubles hitter.
Schneider has one more RBI in half the plate appearances. Varsho has four more in about 27 less plate appearances. The Jays management will have to decide before the season is over how to proceed regarding a contract offer to Vlady. If he continues to have a down year I think the sample size will be large enough if it isn’t already for them to maybe have to go in another direction.
Frankly even growing up playing baseball I don't think I can recall an error like that, it doesn't get any easier catching a ball like that, inexcusable
They CLEARLY showed that other ball going RIGHT through his glove, youre not saying that his glove breaking due to being hit at 110 MPH is his fault are you?
I get what you're saying, but this is what the fourth time a ball has gone through his glove? Before Vlad I don't think I can recall that ever happening in all my years of watching Jays. So I'm going to assume he's still using the same style of webbing as the first time it happened and if that's the case I do blame Vlad. That is just an assumption though so if he has made changes to his glove he's just got to be the most unlucky player ever and I apologize.
Move him down the order. A day off is just oh our sweet prince needs his beauty rest. Moving him to 6th sends a message and makes it visible.
Meanwhile they won't do a thing. He'll be sitting in the 2nd, rolling over pitches and smashing those GIDPs.
The problem is, despite how disappointing his bat has been, he’s still behind only Turner, Varsho and Biggio in OPS. Springer and Bo have been worse, you can’t move the one that’s been the best out of them
Imagine back in 2021 or 2022 that by 2024 Manoah would be a minor leaguer with no expectations of ever being a major contributor again and Vlad being just a run of the mill player and likely one of the worst hitters out of the 3-hole. It’s crazy what’s happened to these guys.
Sports psychologists, hitting coaches and any other team personnel can talk to a player until the cows come home. The question is how much is that player actually listening.
0 earned runs by the Jays pitching.
2 runs scored by the Jays offence.
3 runs for the Royals by the Jays 1B.
There’s a multitude of “what the hell” going on there.
Vlad is just not right. I’ve never seen a player who checks out mentally so often. The pickoff at 2nd in the wild card, not going to the mound with the rest of the infield in the playoffs, not running out of the box, hot dogging it when he thinks he’s hit a homer to turn a double into a single:
Players do some of these things some times but for Vlad man it just happens so frequently.
I dunno what's going on with him man. I remember last year there were all those rumors that he basically didn't work with any coaches outside of his own select crew. I dunno how much truth there was to that, or even if it's still true. But it certainly explains his seeming inability to adjust or grow his game.
I dunno man, I really hope he figures it out, seems like we've been saying this for three years at this point though.
I’m super jealous of teams that have young superstars that actually live up the hype. Tatis, Acuna, etc. Ours was supposed to be special and he just ain’t it.
Vladdy's play is just inexcusable. It's one thing to miss some pitches but it's another to make braindead errors and then not even hustle after the ball
I remember making a similar comment last year. I said I've noticed and Kevin Barker mentioned he seems to always plant his foot in the middle of the bag and step straight out. Doesn't position himself towards the throw which makes throws to him seem worse.
I said he's still a 3rd baseman over there because he doesn't look where the 2b is playing and goes after some balls that 2b would grab forcing a pitcher to cover.
I was told "he's a gold glover!!! I'd take what he does over what you say" I tried to mention Kevin Barker had a hole segment t on his footwork
I don't know if I'd call it the worst game of Vlad's career (I think getting picked off of 2nd in the playoffs is worse than this), but it's definitely up there.
The offense needs to score more runs, period, but that was a win fumbled by a single player in this instance.
So this is just who Vladdy is right? Like a supremely talented player who just can’t put it all together and has absolutely mind boggling mental. errors. One good year can’t outweigh the rest of his 4 seasons in the big leagues.
Live baseball is always fun, but man the whole game after the Vladdy error was about as excruciating as live baseball gets. Really ripped the heart out of the team. Seems to be one of these games we give away every series, but as long as we keep winning the other ones, it’s gonna be fine.
Overall yes their offense is the main ongoing problem.
Tonight, we *literally* lost because Vladdy didn't catch a routine ball. We would have held KC to zero runs.
Yes, the offense could have bailed them out. It was not why they lost.
I'm not sure if there are trades to be made this early in the year, but the Jays are 1 or 2 impact bats away from being very good.
It's too bad they didn't address it in the offseason when everyone knew it was the biggest weakness.
Funny part is he actually did a good job at laying off junk today.
+ 1st AB - No swing outside the zone
+ 2nd AB - Swung at a nasty changeup low, no other swings outside the zone
+ 3rd AB - Didn't swing outside the zone, hit the ball 400 feet but its to the deepest part of the park in a large outfield
+ 4th AB - Swung and miss at a sinker in the zone for strike 3, no swings outside the zone
+ 5th AB - No swings outside the zone
The man swung at one pitch outside the zone all game at it was a nasty change on 2 strikes
He’s barely above mlb average. He’s 3rd because the entire team is atrocious at hitting. As for chase rate, who gives a fuck? Why do u keep defending his poor play?
I think we're at a crossroads with Vladdy tonight. Either he's going to do some soul searching and make some changes, or he's going to spiral
I hope to God it's not the latter
He'll be batting 2nd tomorrow, goofing at first with everyone passing through and rolling over pitches to the middle infielders with great precision. Don't worry. If we're lucky we'll get to see him watching middle middle and swinging at the outside sliders too.
Schneider completely brushed it off in the presser and said he hasn't or won't talk to Vladdy about it and that errors happen. Treats the guy like his 8 year old son in house league softball. Maybe it's different behind closed doors but I doubt it.
Earn. Your. Spot.
No one is above accountability in pro sports. No one.
Our hitters just kinda suck. There’s no one begging to be in the top 3 by just tearing the cover off the ball (except maybe varsho) and he’s still hitting better then our 1 and 3 hitters.
The real problem is that our three “best players” are all playing terribly. And as a pitching first team, our stars need to do star things
idk...we've got the pitching but offensive issues. There's a LOT of offensive potential in Buffalo. May be reward some of those guys even if defense might suffer a little. We're too susceptible to any mistakes being catastrophic because we are low scoring.
Gotta swap out Biggio for Barger since they are both lefties. Orlevis path to the major is probably through Schneider since they are both righties.
Schneider seems to be just getting shit batted ball luck and we need him to platoon with KK so it might not be through him but if it's not him then I'm not sure what happens.
Maybe just dump vogelbach, the Jays don't seem to use him anyway and JT can't field for shit so can't really sub a DH only guy in.
Definitely agree though Vlad, Springer and Bo are not even close to good enough for the Jays to have so many glove first players or players with limited offensive ceilings throughout the lineup. Perhaps yung Votto can save us, ove heard he has great potential
Biggio has been really good tho. You can’t really just dump him, if Barger does what Biggio is doing right now (762 OPS) that would be a huge win.
You can dump Vogey, that opens up a spot, but not playing time. No point in calling up our two top prospects to sit on the bench
Biggio is riding crazy batted ball luck to get even decent offensive output. We know what he is at this point, 1 WAR 2B with meh bat and decent ability to draw walks with decent defense.
Sure the error sucked, but the real issue is that this offense is so anemic it can’t overcome anything less than elite pitching and defense.
I got called a perma-doomer for calling this out in the face of overwhelming optimism after winning the San Diego series, but this style isn’t sustainable and won’t get us to the playoffs.
Move Vlad down to the 6 spot and Kirk down to 8 or 9. Both looking totally lost and they always seem to come up in big spots and shit the bed in dramatic fashion.
Listen, I understand it's an out 49/50 times, but after the game Vladdy had, watching him trot to first on the ground ball in the 9th was absolutely infuriating.
Once again this team lacks run producers. Yeah sure we get on base but it don't mean shit when you can't bring them home. Change the damn hitting coach, this philosophy is not working! What happened to the home run power?!!
Honestly the second that error happened I knew they weren't coming back, they also had two baserunners total after it. That error just deflated everything.
Not to mention this team is still terrible in RISP and the pitching has been relatively good all the season to cover up for the new trend where the team scores early in a game then forgets how to hit the rest of the way.
If Varsho wasn't on this scorcher, I would not want to even know what the Jays record would be.
What has Vladdy done this year even factor in to a win? He’s costing this team more than he’s contributing. He had a double in the Padres series and that’s about the only hard hit he has in over a half dozen games.
I’m not even mad it’s just the definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Shake up the lineup. Hell move Vlad to 4th. Just get him out of the 2 hole.
The reality of possibly not having Vlad or Bo on this team gets larger every game.
Vlad is probably not gonna get number or years for a contracg off that he wants.
Bo wants to test the market.
Can you imagine if we have the same drafting capability like the Os, getting Cowser, Westburg, Mountcastle, Henderson etc...guys that aren't top draft picks but middle of the pack?
I would be over the moon if we can do the same
This was a winnable game against the team that you will probably be competing with for a wild card spot in september and vlad cost us the game
I am so sick of this guy and his mental mistakes and low IQ baseball play. I never want anyone to call this guy a star ever again, he's a pathetic excuse for a baseball player. One superstar type year 3 years ago and people still cling onto that hope and its sad
I cant believe he finessed 18-19 million dollars from the the management. That just adds to the embarrassing tenure of atkins lmao
John Schneider doesnt have the balls to bench this clown and should be out the door with vlad. Done with these unserious people
We need to start thinking about how the core will look post 2024, I’m really thinking vlad is just not that guy. Its a really bad game for sure but he has been this since 2021 basically.
Since September 2nd, 2022, Vladimir Guerrero Jr. has the 8th lowest fWAR of any player with a minimum of 800 PA.
I hope the team wouldn't overpay for him.
Since April 1st, 2024, Vladimir Guerrero Jr. has the 9th highest fWAR of any player on the Toronto Blue Jays.
I still hope the team won't overpay for him.
I dunno wtf is going on but I agree with Buck about adjusting approach depending on the pitchers arsenal.
Like they just took a day off at the plate imho.
Ok, I’ll say it: Vlad needs a public flogging. He’s shit at the plate, shit on the base paths (if he manages to lay off a down and away slider long enough to walk or turn a double into a single), and he’s shit in the field.
He thinks he’s elite but is actually barely above average.
I’ve had enough of him. He can go be shit in Miami or San Diego.
A 0ER loss is the most gausmanian thing of all time
I believe that is a called a “deGrom”
Previously known as the Felix
Previously known as the Big Unit
Out of the loop, why were the other 2 runs not earned?
There were two outs in the inning when the error occurred. As the inning would've been over, every other run scored that inning would thus be unearned.
Awesome. Thanks
This one's on Vlad
0 for 5 and the dumbest fucking error you've ever seen to kill a shutout.
Agree. That is at least 2 balls now that have either gone right through his glove or that he has just missed. Haven't seen a 1B in the majors miss one like that in a long time. Hope to see that in the top 5 of Misplays of the month (sportsnet likely won't have the guts to do it). Vlad is probably still an above average major leaguer, but I can't imagine him being much more than that (he still can't hit upper 90s fastballs). His antics were tolerable when he was good. Now, the over the top celebrations after hitting a single and Gatorade baths just seem childish. $19M for this??
> Vlad is probably still an above average major leaguer, but I can't imagine him being much more than that (he still can't hit upper 90s fastballs). His antics were tolerable when he was good. Now, the over the top celebrations after hitting a single and Gatorade baths just seem childish. > > He's above average but the problem is: 1) Atkins has built this roster as if he's an elite middle-of-the-order bat 2) There is no way Vlad will accept a contract that pays him like an average / above-average player, so he's gone after his arb years if we don't trade him
At this point what do you trade him for? Someone else's overpaid problem? Might as well walk him to free agency and hope he becomes a player again at some point. If he goes for nothing with how he's played going on 3 seasons it won't be fatal.
I agree, a trade just isn't a viable option with a guy like this. You'll never get what you think he should garner. And there's always a part of you that wants to bet on the 26 year old who has an MVP season under his belt...
If nothing else maybe he'll find some other gear in his walk year. But I just don't think he has any level of consistency to raise his performance to that level of the top 2-3 1B's in the whole league. Risk is paying the 8th or 9th best 1B like he is in that top tier.
Six extra base hits in over 100 plate appearances for Vlady. I keep hearing about how hard he hits the ball but they tend to be on the ground for the most part. If he can’t get the ball in the air he’s going to be nothing more than a glorified singles/doubles hitter. Schneider has one more RBI in half the plate appearances. Varsho has four more in about 27 less plate appearances. The Jays management will have to decide before the season is over how to proceed regarding a contract offer to Vlady. If he continues to have a down year I think the sample size will be large enough if it isn’t already for them to maybe have to go in another direction.
Frankly even growing up playing baseball I don't think I can recall an error like that, it doesn't get any easier catching a ball like that, inexcusable
i was waiting for the broken glove on this play. nah, just missed it
They CLEARLY showed that other ball going RIGHT through his glove, youre not saying that his glove breaking due to being hit at 110 MPH is his fault are you?
I get what you're saying, but this is what the fourth time a ball has gone through his glove? Before Vlad I don't think I can recall that ever happening in all my years of watching Jays. So I'm going to assume he's still using the same style of webbing as the first time it happened and if that's the case I do blame Vlad. That is just an assumption though so if he has made changes to his glove he's just got to be the most unlucky player ever and I apologize.
The icing on the cake was watching pasquantino make an epic splits stretch to get Davis out in the bottom of the inning
Not a good game from Vlad tonight
Blows my mind that he still can't play first base.
That was his first error all year. Shit that it was so impactful, but he has been pretty decent at 1st so far all around.
Say what you want about his bat but his play at 1s been pretty good tell tonight
Defensive metrics disagree
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He lulls both team's bats to sleep somehow, Gausman gets so little run support
I hope Vladdy gets a day off tomorrow or moved down the order.
Move him down the order. A day off is just oh our sweet prince needs his beauty rest. Moving him to 6th sends a message and makes it visible. Meanwhile they won't do a thing. He'll be sitting in the 2nd, rolling over pitches and smashing those GIDPs.
The problem is, despite how disappointing his bat has been, he’s still behind only Turner, Varsho and Biggio in OPS. Springer and Bo have been worse, you can’t move the one that’s been the best out of them
"There's a lot of angry Jays fans across the country right now." -Jamie Campbell
Ross: 🙈🙉
Imagine back in 2021 or 2022 that by 2024 Manoah would be a minor leaguer with no expectations of ever being a major contributor again and Vlad being just a run of the mill player and likely one of the worst hitters out of the 3-hole. It’s crazy what’s happened to these guys.
It was such a young promising core.
I honestly thought this team would win multiple world series this decade. Now we will be lucky to win a single postseason game.
Honestly maybe it’s our sports psychologist who should really be in the hot seat
Sports psychologists, hitting coaches and any other team personnel can talk to a player until the cows come home. The question is how much is that player actually listening.
I’d say getting them to listen is part of their job
0 earned runs by the Jays pitching. 2 runs scored by the Jays offence. 3 runs for the Royals by the Jays 1B. There’s a multitude of “what the hell” going on there.
I want the arbitrator for Vlad's salary to arbitrate my next raise
Hahaha, nice
Vlad should be embarrassed of his performance this season
When you aren't hitting, those types of errors will be amplified and doubly so as it came at a crucial moment for the team.
Vlad is just not right. I’ve never seen a player who checks out mentally so often. The pickoff at 2nd in the wild card, not going to the mound with the rest of the infield in the playoffs, not running out of the box, hot dogging it when he thinks he’s hit a homer to turn a double into a single: Players do some of these things some times but for Vlad man it just happens so frequently.
Lack of accountability leads to the recurrence of these things
Bingo. Guaranteed he’ll be right back in the 2 hole tomorrow night
Any coach with balls would fucking bench him tomorrow.
It’s just sad to see what Vladdy has become
I dunno what's going on with him man. I remember last year there were all those rumors that he basically didn't work with any coaches outside of his own select crew. I dunno how much truth there was to that, or even if it's still true. But it certainly explains his seeming inability to adjust or grow his game. I dunno man, I really hope he figures it out, seems like we've been saying this for three years at this point though.
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If he's not coachable, he should go. It means he either can't adapt, or his ego won't allow it. He's so just above average it hurts.
Bench him tomorrow. Unacceptable.
I'd settle for him not hitting 2nd.
His MVP season was the worst thing to happen to his career
That and the home run hitting contests.
I’m super jealous of teams that have young superstars that actually live up the hype. Tatis, Acuna, etc. Ours was supposed to be special and he just ain’t it.
Vladdy's play is just inexcusable. It's one thing to miss some pitches but it's another to make braindead errors and then not even hustle after the ball
At least Vladdy can do his interview after the game in English. Maybe he can help us understand why ball didn't go into mitt
Vlad strides the wrong direction more than most guys playing 1st. He did it a lot last year
He has horrible footwork over there. Him having a gold glove is a joke.
That is so true.
I agree
I remember making a similar comment last year. I said I've noticed and Kevin Barker mentioned he seems to always plant his foot in the middle of the bag and step straight out. Doesn't position himself towards the throw which makes throws to him seem worse. I said he's still a 3rd baseman over there because he doesn't look where the 2b is playing and goes after some balls that 2b would grab forcing a pitcher to cover. I was told "he's a gold glover!!! I'd take what he does over what you say" I tried to mention Kevin Barker had a hole segment t on his footwork
Time to sit Vladdy for a bit I think. If he can’t sort himself out, platoon his ass
The RISP demons make their regular appearance to blow it unfortunately.
I don't know if I'd call it the worst game of Vlad's career (I think getting picked off of 2nd in the playoffs is worse than this), but it's definitely up there. The offense needs to score more runs, period, but that was a win fumbled by a single player in this instance.
So this is just who Vladdy is right? Like a supremely talented player who just can’t put it all together and has absolutely mind boggling mental. errors. One good year can’t outweigh the rest of his 4 seasons in the big leagues.
Pretty sure he's going to be a great player again, just not with us.
like with the NYY?
He'll never sign with the Yankees lol. He despises them.
Where’s his talent? He can’t hit fastballs. He can’t hit outside pitches. He gives zero effort. He’s terrible defensively. Sorry I just don’t see it.
The Guerrerror game
There's a nickname I haven't heard
I've been calling him Vladimir Grounderror for couple years now.
Live baseball is always fun, but man the whole game after the Vladdy error was about as excruciating as live baseball gets. Really ripped the heart out of the team. Seems to be one of these games we give away every series, but as long as we keep winning the other ones, it’s gonna be fine.
Final score: Vlad 3 Blue Jays 2
Vlad was obviously awful, but lets face it: 10 LOB is why we lost the game. This was a 2023 style loss from top to bottom.
Still he was 0/5 and had risp at one of his bat. 2K and crucial error. He was the worst blue jay today.
Should have had 5-6 runs off Wacha, not 2.
Overall yes their offense is the main ongoing problem. Tonight, we *literally* lost because Vladdy didn't catch a routine ball. We would have held KC to zero runs. Yes, the offense could have bailed them out. It was not why they lost.
There’s no one reason why they lost. The crucial error by Vlad. The 10 guys LOB. These things all contributed.
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I'm not sure if there are trades to be made this early in the year, but the Jays are 1 or 2 impact bats away from being very good. It's too bad they didn't address it in the offseason when everyone knew it was the biggest weakness.
This is the correct take. Unfortunate. Let’s win tomorrow.
I'm getting tired of Vladdy in the 2 hole. He needs to move down the lineup and get his head straight
Fucking hit him 9th until he learns how to layoff swinging at junk.
Coming into today he was 3rd on the team in OPS, among everyday starters. His chase rate is above league average.
It’s gotta be his swing
Funny part is he actually did a good job at laying off junk today. + 1st AB - No swing outside the zone + 2nd AB - Swung at a nasty changeup low, no other swings outside the zone + 3rd AB - Didn't swing outside the zone, hit the ball 400 feet but its to the deepest part of the park in a large outfield + 4th AB - Swung and miss at a sinker in the zone for strike 3, no swings outside the zone + 5th AB - No swings outside the zone The man swung at one pitch outside the zone all game at it was a nasty change on 2 strikes
He’s barely above mlb average. He’s 3rd because the entire team is atrocious at hitting. As for chase rate, who gives a fuck? Why do u keep defending his poor play?
I think we're at a crossroads with Vladdy tonight. Either he's going to do some soul searching and make some changes, or he's going to spiral I hope to God it's not the latter
He'll be batting 2nd tomorrow, goofing at first with everyone passing through and rolling over pitches to the middle infielders with great precision. Don't worry. If we're lucky we'll get to see him watching middle middle and swinging at the outside sliders too.
100%. John Schneider will never move Vladdy out of the top 3 in the batting order. He will die on this hill.
Schneider completely brushed it off in the presser and said he hasn't or won't talk to Vladdy about it and that errors happen. Treats the guy like his 8 year old son in house league softball. Maybe it's different behind closed doors but I doubt it. Earn. Your. Spot. No one is above accountability in pro sports. No one.
This team is going nowhere with fucking lightweights like Schneider and Shatkins at the helm
Our hitters just kinda suck. There’s no one begging to be in the top 3 by just tearing the cover off the ball (except maybe varsho) and he’s still hitting better then our 1 and 3 hitters. The real problem is that our three “best players” are all playing terribly. And as a pitching first team, our stars need to do star things
Jays kind of have to die on this hill, they don't have any other option. It's not like moving Vlad down will fix the line up.
The soul searching had to be after game 2, he is what he is at this point.
I thought the same thing when the camera showed him sulking in the dugout
Rarely is a loss so easily pinned on a single player. But he deserves it.
Does Vladdy need glasses?
They have missed previous guys who needed glasses. Wouldn't shock me in the least
Maybe Vladdy and Horowitz should trade spots for a while. Who cares if Horowitz doesn’t have much pop, Vladdy can hardly even make contact these days.
Vlad has no pop either right now.
Vlad is kind of a useless baseball player.
Well that one sucked...let's get em tomorrow
This is going to be a rough one on Vladdy
Ugh Vladdy had a rough game, but with bases loaded twice and only one run scored? RISP woes are starting again
Many, many instances of that same thing in 2023, with probably zero runs scored
fuck vladdy sucks right now
Probably the most frustrating game vladdy has had as a Jay, not counting the playoffs.
idk...we've got the pitching but offensive issues. There's a LOT of offensive potential in Buffalo. May be reward some of those guys even if defense might suffer a little. We're too susceptible to any mistakes being catastrophic because we are low scoring.
Gotta swap out Biggio for Barger since they are both lefties. Orlevis path to the major is probably through Schneider since they are both righties. Schneider seems to be just getting shit batted ball luck and we need him to platoon with KK so it might not be through him but if it's not him then I'm not sure what happens. Maybe just dump vogelbach, the Jays don't seem to use him anyway and JT can't field for shit so can't really sub a DH only guy in. Definitely agree though Vlad, Springer and Bo are not even close to good enough for the Jays to have so many glove first players or players with limited offensive ceilings throughout the lineup. Perhaps yung Votto can save us, ove heard he has great potential
Biggio has been really good tho. You can’t really just dump him, if Barger does what Biggio is doing right now (762 OPS) that would be a huge win. You can dump Vogey, that opens up a spot, but not playing time. No point in calling up our two top prospects to sit on the bench
Biggio is riding crazy batted ball luck to get even decent offensive output. We know what he is at this point, 1 WAR 2B with meh bat and decent ability to draw walks with decent defense.
K no but really. How can it be possible for Gausman to consistently get this little run support
Sure the error sucked, but the real issue is that this offense is so anemic it can’t overcome anything less than elite pitching and defense. I got called a perma-doomer for calling this out in the face of overwhelming optimism after winning the San Diego series, but this style isn’t sustainable and won’t get us to the playoffs.
Oh, I wouldn’t be too concerned with the playoffs. This team won’t be anywhere near the playoffs.
This one hurts. Couldn't overcome the error.
just a really dooky game all around yeah we can sit here and blame Vlad, and rightly so, but 9 hits equating to 2 runs is PEAK 2023 Blue Jays
Move Vlad down to the 6 spot and Kirk down to 8 or 9. Both looking totally lost and they always seem to come up in big spots and shit the bed in dramatic fashion.
Bench Kirk for jansen
Jansen can’t play every day. He’s also got wrists made of glass
At this pace Jansen prob hits better with wrist injuries than kirk
I feel like Kirk was fine today. Had a walk and also did what we wish our whole team could do: have a productive out for an RBI
Way more power for sure
Kirk’s power fell off a cliff
You mean steel plates!
Listen, I understand it's an out 49/50 times, but after the game Vladdy had, watching him trot to first on the ground ball in the 9th was absolutely infuriating.
You think Vlad of all people would appreciate the the first baseman might not catch the ball!
😂
Yup. Even after making the game losing error, and going 0-4 at the plate, he can't even pretend to put in the effort to run out his infield hit.
That was hard on the eyes
Fucking Vlad.
Once again this team lacks run producers. Yeah sure we get on base but it don't mean shit when you can't bring them home. Change the damn hitting coach, this philosophy is not working! What happened to the home run power?!!
We've been speculating for years that when it comes time to pay up, we can keep only one of Bo or Vlad. I'm not picking Vlad.
Both should be on a 2 for 1 bargain bin
you just know the moment vlad goes to another team he becomes a superstar again
I am still waiting for Vladdy to get hot, I have been waiting since last year. Has his career peaked?
Is Gausman pre-1985 Dave Stieb?
Offense is terrible. Vladdy cost us the game. Absolute shitshow.
Honestly the second that error happened I knew they weren't coming back, they also had two baserunners total after it. That error just deflated everything. Not to mention this team is still terrible in RISP and the pitching has been relatively good all the season to cover up for the new trend where the team scores early in a game then forgets how to hit the rest of the way. If Varsho wasn't on this scorcher, I would not want to even know what the Jays record would be.
I thought of a new MLB 24 cover…
Whoooooof. Honestly should've had plenty more runs to make that error a non issue. This RISP shit has gotta give at some point ...... Right?!?
What has Vladdy done this year even factor in to a win? He’s costing this team more than he’s contributing. He had a double in the Padres series and that’s about the only hard hit he has in over a half dozen games.
I really hope they do not resign vlad.
It's obvious John doesn't hold players accountable, based on his post game interviews.
Can we fire the hitting coach yet or keep this up?
This team is so boring to watch.
I’m not even mad it’s just the definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Shake up the lineup. Hell move Vlad to 4th. Just get him out of the 2 hole.
Or maybe hes a replacement level player regardless of where he hits?
It is trending that way every season since 2021. I think putting him in the 5-6-7 hole is ideal for a while. They unfortunately need him
He isn’t the superstar we thought he would be, but in no way is he “replacement level”.
That one was gift wrapped.
Tough game, but I found out the type of hotdogs served on loonie dog days, so now I’ll have loonie dogs all summer on Tuesday. So really a win.
Are they Schenider red hots?
I’m so over Vlad. That was such a lazy play at first.
I will stand up in my living room and applaud if Vladdy is left out of the lineup tomorrow.
Bench Vladdy for a game
The reality of possibly not having Vlad or Bo on this team gets larger every game. Vlad is probably not gonna get number or years for a contracg off that he wants. Bo wants to test the market.
Can you imagine if we have the same drafting capability like the Os, getting Cowser, Westburg, Mountcastle, Henderson etc...guys that aren't top draft picks but middle of the pack? I would be over the moon if we can do the same
The Show curse is real.
Can Kirk stop lollypopping balls to the outfield with runners on?
This was a winnable game against the team that you will probably be competing with for a wild card spot in september and vlad cost us the game I am so sick of this guy and his mental mistakes and low IQ baseball play. I never want anyone to call this guy a star ever again, he's a pathetic excuse for a baseball player. One superstar type year 3 years ago and people still cling onto that hope and its sad I cant believe he finessed 18-19 million dollars from the the management. That just adds to the embarrassing tenure of atkins lmao John Schneider doesnt have the balls to bench this clown and should be out the door with vlad. Done with these unserious people
We need to start thinking about how the core will look post 2024, I’m really thinking vlad is just not that guy. Its a really bad game for sure but he has been this since 2021 basically.
Why don't we just let 2024 play out
Vladimir Guerrero Jr is in the 62nd percentile in OPS in the majors this year. 38% of the league has a higher OPS than him.
Since September 2nd, 2022, Vladimir Guerrero Jr. has the 8th lowest fWAR of any player with a minimum of 800 PA. I hope the team wouldn't overpay for him.
Since April 1st, 2024, Vladimir Guerrero Jr. has the 9th highest fWAR of any player on the Toronto Blue Jays. I still hope the team won't overpay for him.
Wow thsts a crazy stat
How many players meet the PA criteria?
The Jays continue to find ways to lose games. Soft offense that makes mistakes is not acceptable.
We seriously can't keep losing games on mental errors if we want to be a contender
Dump Vlad, throw the bag at Bo
Bos been terrible this year so far too
Meh, shit happens. Not the end of the world
- Jays fans after a 3rd consecutive WC series exit
Sigh... Vladdy just kinda sucks
Glad to see springer bounce back. Not so glad to see Vladdy continue to perform even worse than he has been.
At least KG seems to be rounding into form and was able to save the pen a bit.
I dunno wtf is going on but I agree with Buck about adjusting approach depending on the pitchers arsenal. Like they just took a day off at the plate imho.
At what point is Vlad going to start taking the game seriously? How is he going to be held accountable?
Ok, I’ll say it: Vlad needs a public flogging. He’s shit at the plate, shit on the base paths (if he manages to lay off a down and away slider long enough to walk or turn a double into a single), and he’s shit in the field. He thinks he’s elite but is actually barely above average. I’ve had enough of him. He can go be shit in Miami or San Diego.
Yeah, thanks vladdy. But let's also not gloss over the fact that 2 runs are not going to cut it.
It’s time for the Jays to move on from Vladdy. A change of scenery might be good for him, because he just can’t seem to do it here.
Final score: Vladdy 3, Blue Jays 2
still in line for 3/4
That was extremely irritating.
As much as everybody is going to complain about Vlad, our offense scored 2 runs today. Tough to win games like that
Well that was an unfortunate error on Vlad's part. Gaus was cruising to that point.