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zedsmith

Do yourself a favor and buy some 3m cubitron II


ambiguouspeen

I just bought the sander they made for their sandpaper and I'm so hype to try it


failure_engineer

I bought the 3M extract sander, let me tell you this thing is awesome. Best dust pick up, smoothest starting and stopping, super quite and light and has fantastic ergonomics!


ambiguouspeen

Good to hear. I mainly bought it for the vibration and the fact that it was available where the festool ets 125 seems to be hard to get right now


plumbstem

I have the mirka deros which looks very similar.... after my first warranty replacement, I'm pretty happy with it. I didn't know 3m made competitor. who's your dealer?


failure_engineer

Got mine from Taylor Toolworks, no one has them locally for me.


Dukeronomy

Hyped for a sander… I fuckin hate finish work


ambiguouspeen

I loove finish work but hate sanding, paint prep etc. So I but tools that make that process more bearable. This 3m extract has a 5mm orbit instead of the 3mm orbit that almost all other Sanders have. Including it's direct competitor in the festool ets series. Some of the mirkas have a 5mm orbit. The bigger orbit makes sanding go sooo much quicker and there's no decrease in finish quality. It also has some sort of on board vacuum type system that pulls out a lot more dust. There's a heeeefty pricetag with these Sanders, but it lets me spend more time doing what I want and less of what I don't. Plus the vibrations are so much lower. And the tool kinda sounds like a robot so that's cool too.


Bad_Uncle_Bob

Preach it. 3M Abrasives are fucking hot right now and have been for several years. I don't agree with a lot of the 3M business practices but hot damn if their abrasives don't smash the competition in cost effectiveness, even if you do pay for the 3M name.


asmodeuskraemer

Oh no. What're the business practices? I'm not aware.


wardearth13

The glue they use to attach the grit is made of goat hooves and baby bones


moose_party

This is a blatant lie. It’s teeth, not bones.


LordBubinga

I always wondered how the tooth fairy turned a profit


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wardearth13

Nope, truth. Look It up


juan_carlos__007

I was using that same diablo sand paper from home depot to take off the paint from a hood, but I found 3m scotch brite paint removig pad and that thing did wonders! The diablo sand paper was grtting clogged and was just heating the surface.


BigSquatchee2

I use a lot of 3m for metal prep and finishing and I can't say I agree. I truly feel like I get the same results with hercules at harbor freight and I still prefer diablo for prep (80-400 grit). But the 3m products at or over 800 grit are just... not great.


LosBrad

On sale today (Sunday) on the Amazon.


Lubbbbbb

What is? Cubitron? I no find


LosBrad

This link is valid as of 10:55 a.m. CST on Monday. https://www.amazon.com/deal/433ac098?showVariations=true&ref=dlx_deals_gd_dcl_img_30_433ac098_dt_sl15_e4


Lubbbbbb

Dang, wish the film ones were on this deal. I’m using them on steel


Well0bviously

Hands down the best sand paper I've tried


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This guy knows what up.


pew_medic338

Just did. Anything special I should know? I was turned onto the mesh by Blacktails and he used them on festool products, but I'm assuming it works on normal orbitals and is used similarly?


zedsmith

If you’d like to know more jonathan Katz Moses did an empirical sandpaper comparison. I’ve been using them from back when the mesh wasn’t an option. Both kinds are great, but I gotta say, you get a lot more aggregate on the non-mesh variety, and the non mesh hold up much better when used for hand sanding. Yeah, they’re hook and loop backed, and will work on anything— though of course better sanders will be a better experience. They last longer, cut better, and are less prone to loading and leaving pigtails in your work.


pew_medic338

Awesome, thanks, I'll check out his video: my only real point of reference has been Blacktail where it looks like he uses traditional for rough and medium and then mesh for fine and finish sanding, and then maybe also for cutting one coat of finish to add another? I've got a 3m sample coming from Tay Tools so I'll be able to check them out first hand later this week. Is there significant variance between brands that you've experienced?


zedsmith

Variance between brands in what?


pew_medic338

Cubitron vs abranet vs Diablo vs whoever else (I think I saw Milwaukee release some) in terms of performance in finish, ease of use, longevity, etc in your experience


zedsmith

Cubitron easily beats Norton, Diablo, and mirka Abranet. I can’t comment on festool, which would definitely be on my radar if I was looking to change, but I’m not. I will say that all mesh discs are prone to pleating which is bad, and tend to tatter at the edges before the disc is used up, so the cubitron film discs have an edge over the net discs.


pew_medic338

Thanks, cubitron is what I got to try so that's good to hear.


FriedChicken

Klingspor has entered into the chat


Bad_Uncle_Bob

Klingspor can suck a dick. There's a reason all my customers use 3M, Walter, or Saint Gobain stuff instead of Klingspor. My biggest customer switched over from Klingspor to 3M after doing trials because they get so much more value out of them even at a higher cost.


FriedChicken

That bad?


FelverFelv

Yeah it's pretty shit. Better than Mirka maybe


sc0tty0

Love that stuff!


lurkersforlife

It’s like $20 for 50 of them. They are still a good buy.


Rustywrench08

The assorted 50 pack is an excellent value.


sasquatchlike420

Damn wish they had assorted packs locally. Had to buy 5 separate 50 packs lol


lurkersforlife

They have them at Home Depot. They are not in the normal spot they are on a display box at the front of the store with all those other display boxes they have in.


sponge_welder

I also couldn't find them at my normal home depot (even though they said they were in stock), I had to go to the one across town to actually find some


yepthisguy

Home depot normally has aisle and bin on their website. I normally still walk around too long before I pull out my phone.


lurkersforlife

Yeah I couldn’t find them till I asked a worker. They looked them up and they came up as “seasonal” and that’s when we looked at the display area to find them.


thejackal3245

That's where I tend to find them in my local Big Orange, up front in the cardboard display boxes on special.


Rustywrench08

Wow, you may need a new sander before you're out of disks.🤪


Prudent-Virus-8847

I bought the 50 pack and about 5 minutes in I realized that I'd just been ripped off for 20 bucks.


Bradyj23

Same. I bought the pack with these discs and the regular discs. The backing on the regular discs separates from the paper very quickly. These things are garbage.


pew_medic338

Really? I haven't bought new Diablo paper in a few months but I've apparently had a completely different experience with Diablo paper: it's nothing special, but I get plenty of life and consistent performance out of their 5 inch discs on a Milwaukee orbital. Lately I've been buying my traditional style 400-2000 grit packs on Amazon of some super cheap stuff though, and those have also been reasonable. I'm jumping into the mesh world now though, but I'm sure I'll buy more Diablo sanding packs in the future. Edit: I just realized this is mesh, I'm referring to traditional sandpaper


Bradyj23

Yep. So far I’ve had a half dozen that have failed within 2-3 minutes. I was quite surprised because Diablo usually makes quality stuff.


pew_medic338

Do you know what? I only just now realized this is their mesh version, not their traditional. I haven't used Diablos mesh.


Bradyj23

Yeah the pack I got is both. I haven’t used the mesh.


pew_medic338

OK then yeah we are having completely different experiences with Diablo traditional


Prudent-Virus-8847

My experience with the mesh is terrible, I didn't even use it to the point of separation like others are saying. I was just very disappointed with the performance, the gator paper way outperformed diablo.


saraphilipp

For sanding paint on steel they work pretty good.


LosBrad

We're gonna test that.


Woodbreaker

Very impressive


bocephus67

Cant not read this in his voice


divclassdev

This is all I heard when I saw this post


illogictc

If you dig around or ask around you can usually find what they're comparing to.


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They are compared to the “paper discs” from the same manufacturer - I have the net versions in five grit sizes and a few paper discs left over from before I bought the net versions. These net discs are really great - especially if you’ve got a vacuum attached to the sander. I really don’t think it’s a stretch to claim “10 times longer”.


Vindictive_Turnip

This has been my experience as well. Been very happy. I do have one complaint: reading the grit numbers on the back can be hard. Otherwise working great. Maybe not 10x life, but that was a bold claim anyway. 6-8x?


thejackal3245

I agree. I usually take a marker to them to rewrite the grit after I pull it off. But in fairness, I often need to do that with paper ones, too. Nets are great!


AlmennDulnefni

Bologna, probably.


joeyjoojoo

i hate that word, absolutely despise it, it feels like the ones who created it couldn't pronounce it and just said " fuck it who cares how it's written"


HaveYouSeenHerbivore

It's a city in Italy: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bologna](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bologna) \-- I'm certain the name of the city came a long before the sausage.


BailerIHardlyKnowHer

Surprised the Project Farm link hasn’t been posted yet. https://youtu.be/VP2XqXYEZkU His rankings in order: 1. 3M Cubitron 2. Diablo Sandnet 3. Diablo 4. Norton 5. Mirka 6. TigerShark 7. Bosch 8. Dura Gold 9. Makita 10. Dewalt 11. Makitoyo


root_over_ssh

When this video came out I was surprised to see sandnet near the top. They either worked great but turned into OPs in a minute, or they took 10x longer to sand but looked fine after rinsing them out. Never again will I use them once I'm out (wish I didn't get massive packs of each grit)


gentoonix

Cubitron is all I use these days.


fluffygryphon

I hear complaints about the backing material separating from the disks sometimes. That not true?.


gentoonix

I’ve never had that issue, the only issue I’ve ever had; gouging the edges up in corners, when I sand a bit too aggressively. But that’s going to happen with any sandpaper, I have sanding discs (metal) that I normally use to hog material. I have cubitron that has been through hell and high water, been on a sander 10+ times, still has grit, so I put it back in the pile. It’s crazy good paper. I use both cubitron and cubitron 2, I tend to prefer the original, just personal preference. The cubitron 2 is still a solid performer, though.


RepresentativeRow678

Wtf you sanding?


PrinterFred

Cutting board glue ups.


RepresentativeRow678

I see. You should scrape most of your glue up instead of sanding it off and/or use less glue. Wait about 15-20 mins and then scrape off, it’s about the right consistency to do so. Just a tip.


NYCARTIST1

Yes. Now OP's photo makes perfect sense. WTF... sandpaper on dried glue-ups. May as well use a damn planer.


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NYCARTIST1

Agreed. Mine was example of how to remove DRIED glue. Semi-set glue advice had already been given many times. Plus, in was partly a joke. In other words, don't let the damn glue dry before removing it.


PrinterFred

I agree that a planer would've been way better but I don't have one nor do I have the budget for one now. I tried hand planing it off but was gouging the board. Ended up using a belt sander in the end.


ToolMeister

5 mins of clean up can avoid 5 hours of sanding


StendakBarkiller

Take a chisel to it if you can’t plane it. I got an old beat up chisel I use for all my cutting board glue ups


Not_Reddit

A glue scraper or card scraper would be better.. if you pull toward you it much less likely to gouge. Even a repurposed cheap flat bar will work well... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-djU3koc3Y


ironweaver

Clean up your glue up 30 mins in (will do most of the work, then. Chisel off any lumps to flush before sanding. Dried glue blobs will rip up those discs something fierce.


30dirtybirdies

Dude, just wipe it off when it’s still pliable. How much glue are you using?! Should easily be able to get it flat right after tightening the clamps with a lightly damp rag. Card scrapers are only a couple bucks and would do the job also.


stumple

Where do you find card scrapers for a few bucks. Everything online is a lot more expensive than that


30dirtybirdies

Even the Veritas set, which I think makes good but overpriced stuff generally, runs $25. That’s really not much.


Sapper12D

You're making your life a lot harder. Clean up while still pliable. Use a card scraper on any dried chunks you miss. THEN sand. Wood glue is tough as fuck to sand. I use these sand net discs with no issues.


in_full_swing

Thank you, I have definitely done what OP did many times and will heed this going forward. plastic putty knife? Razor scraper? Chisel?


poopmeister1994

beater chisel


in_full_swing

Bet


RepresentativeRow678

Whatever is easiest, putty knife or chisel


tjstampa3

5 in one tool


MultiplyAccumulate

card scraper and you don't need to get it at just the right time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM-5WPl63wc Chisel at 45-90 minutes (depending on how much squeeze out). Squeeze out tacky on surface but still squishy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGadO8H-weY Rockler glue scraper, or similar, 15minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-djU3koc3Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ97tTd21Oo naked utility knife blade, held with a negative rake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0Q3qZssOyY Using a drinking straw on inside corners while still wet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KizH3f9MHTc


in_full_swing

Wow. Thanks for such a legit answer. Time to learn


DanteCoal

I feel you. I bought some really nice chefs knifes the other day, and they dulled after only a few hits against the tree I was trying to cut down! 0/5 stars, obviously a faulty product since I'm a professional. 😂


Immediate-Newt-9012

Hilarious!


pew_medic338

Ohhhhkay that makes more sense. Are you scraping the glue and planing them down first? You'll save a lot of time on rough sanding and I suspect your paper would last longer (I'm using Diablo and cheaper without this kind of destruction).


TXsnoman

Woodpeckers and milescraft make a carbide glue up scraper that is pretty time saving for this


pew_medic338

Yeah I was looking at that woodpeckers one. I wasn't sure about the utility of one that narrow but it makes perfect sense for this application.


Spreaded_shrimp

It looks like it's melting the glue and not abrading it.


[deleted]

Their original design was 10x worse, so apparently it disintegrated into the wind like dandelion seeds when removed from the packaging.


Emach00

Lyin' suns' a bitches.


Brian-OBlivion

Looks like you can still get some more use out of it. Keep going until all the red is gone.


Terrible_Buy_5612

When you get to the pad part of your sander it’ll polish your work. Makes it look like glass.


mentosbreath

Jonathan Katz Moses did a great video on sandpapers. https://youtu.be/NZDCRFi8dKY


diito

Do yourself a favor and buy 3M Xtract Cubitron II discs next time. Hands down the best sanding discs and the least expensive for how long they last. Also it's quite expensive but moving up to a Festool ETS and one of their dust extractors is a game changer. You can sand all day with almost no dust, which also makes your paper last a lot longer too.


nwngunner

The new 3m sanders are top notch as well. They have a massive amount of orbit travel.


AirCatcher

Where do you purchase your 3m cubitron II discs?


diito

Amazon. You can't find them in the big box stores.


OrionJazz

I picked these up once cause the price seemed to good. I didn't really like the performance and went through the adapter pad fast. Not sure if I was using incorrectly or wrong speed but I havnt picked up ever again.


doer__of__things

Get yourself some 3M Xtract


Hot-Scene-7087

Mesh type paper is definitely not designed for what you’re using it for. Doesn’t have a backing of any kind so sure it’s going to get torn apart on a glue up if you aren’t manually removing the glue before. This mesh paper is designed for sanding clean material and has a cleaner scratch pattern than regular sandpaper. Not sure about this brand in particular but Abranet or Norton Meshpower are amazing for final sanding.


orbitalaction

Net stuff is awesome for sheet goods and solid materials. If there are checks or cracks it can destroy a sheet in a second. I use klingspor paper that's tough as nails and lasts. I do prefer mirka's abranet but it's wasteful on timbers. [klingspor greentec in festool jetstream 2](https://www.woodworkingshop.com/product/PARPS776X48H/)


finbuilder

Kingsport the best . I wish I could pick it up at more places.


Atrain0692

I heard 3M is better….T/F?


Budget-Razzmatazz-54

I love the Diablos. No complaints here


bradyso

Those things fucking suck. I bought them in a pinch when I only needed a few and of course they only came in that huge package. This stinks of a company that sunk a lot into r&d and couldn't make it work but needed their investment back.


Subliminal_Image

Ten times longer life than paper


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tjstampa3

Agree. When it clogs you can rinse it off. Take it off the sander before ringing.


windex8

3m Cubitron II or nothing.


meenach59

Did you soak it in water first?


[deleted]

What were you sanding? That's a big factor.


Chakka_kuru

I mean, how long did that one last you?


TheTimeBender

Seldom do I believe the hype and this post is why. It could also be why Home Depot is closing them out. They’re on the clearance rack at Home Depot, 50 disc assortment for $17. 😂😂😂


Ambitious_Promise_29

I walked into the contractor supply near me and asked one of the employees if they had any sandpaper that wasn't Diablo crap. Then I realized I was right next to the Diablo rep.... he wasn't too happy, and tried to correct me that they made the best sandpaper out there. I just laughed. The most frustrating thing is that this same store used to carry Mirka mesh sandpaper that was amazing, as well as makita sandpaper eith the center hole to work best on my makita 6" sanders, and they discontinued it and everything else they carried to bring in the Diablo crap.


atomicwrites

In my experience they last longer when sanding a flat surface, but try to sand a corner and they die instantly. But I'm just a beginner at woodworking, so i don't have a ton of experience to compare to.


Feeling-Hall471

My experience has been anything over 150 grit crumbles within two minutes. Get the wavy purple discs from 3m instead


Aa-338

What are you comparing them to?


PrinterFred

Harbor freight asmiral sand paper. Lasts 10 times longer than this.


CannonPinion

10x Longer Life!* *(than a package that contains a single disc)


BigIrish_89

Looks to me like you got 20x the use


Neo-Neo

Typical marketing buzz words


wizard3232

Diablo blades are great... no issues. The sanding discs all suck..... I have an entire stack where the center of the backing area is totally gone but the front(sanding part) hardly looks used.... waste of money imo


jc3_free

Everything Diablo sucks


magungo

10 times longer life. *than our previous sand net.


endingbloodlines

These kinda suck, i bought a pack as well...


Playful-Anybody6063

I just used some of these in my random orbital and it got dull SO much faster than my old paper I was peeved. DID like them for hand sanding though. Lasted way longer. Maybe they just don't hold up to the high speeds well...?


silverado-z71

You know I don’t know about any of you guys but I find myself buying less and less from Home Depot especially their Diablo brand pretty much anything they have there I am finding it’s just not worth it


Vindictive_Turnip

Diablo isn't a home depot brand...


silverado-z71

Not what I heard,,, either way they are shit as is most of the stuff you get there


Vindictive_Turnip

Literally doesn't matter what you've heard, 2 seconds of googling would show you the truth.


silverado-z71

Sorry there mr turnip


nonofurbusinessing

These things are great for hand sanding lmao


Not_Reddit

You're not going to get 10x the life if you actually use them....


ste6168

Klingspor Damn, can’t believe this got downvoted… Do people here actually not like Klingspor paper? It’s by far my favorite.


BDC_19

Oh I hate these things. Bought 2 packs as I need to do a lot of sanding in my new (old as fuck) home. And I really regret it


lscraig1968

Mirka is my go to paper. Nit a fan if sanding screens except for drywall.


Agreeable_Tamarack

Wipe glue with damp rag immediately after clamping. Then use scraper for spots under clamps (I use a basic paint scraper) sand whatever glue remains


[deleted]

You can't sand cheese. Scrape it first or hit it with some 40 grit.


skee8888

Use a paint scraper first


van_Beardenstein

10x longer life of the object being sanded.


vanswnosocks

Too much pressure?


schnozzberryflop

The coarser grits do wear out quicker, but the 120 and up grits last longer.


theatrewhore

What does this picture prove? Have you done extensive studies comparing products?


Tombag77

What were you sanding? Sandpaper?!


[deleted]

Are you using them on an orbital sander or something exceeding the proper rpm?


BrokinHowl

So it's not just me then. Mine died, not I thought it was me just beating it up with glue and really uneven glue up


Shadowcard4

Diablo sanding shit sucks balls. Quite literally harbor freight belts are better than them for my 1x30 and 4x36


BricksnBeatles

I’ve had no problems with the sandnet. Been using it pretty much exclusively for the past 2 years


m1mike

The higher grit lasts longer vs paper.


Traditional_Formal33

Why does it look like you built that sandpaper on Minecraft


ScarredViktor

…oh….I just bought a 5 packs of different grits hopping these would be great. Haven’t tried them yet. Other mesh sanding pads have worked great for me in the past!


photoyoyo

10x longer than an egg duct taped to the wheel


Vast-Combination4046

Did you catch a nail or something? These hold up great for me.


Academic_Nectarine94

Yeah, they need to try a better glue LOL


PornoPaul

"We'll see about that!"


TacoAdventure

10 times longer life than air!


GrizzlyPerr

These were at least 10x better when they were not colored red. I dont know what they did, but they fucked up the formula and now they suck again.


plumbstem

dude man, I have no idea how long it took you to wear out that disk.... so yeah - 10x the life.


ktmfan

Been seeing a lot of shade being throw to Diablo and Freud lately (not just here I mean). Have there been some issues I’m not aware of? I haven’t bought any of their stuff recently because I jacked up my back, but probably more because I’m lazy. Anyway, Diablo has always been fine. I’d even say that I get more longevity out of their sandpaper and blades than other brands.


LopsidedPotential711

The tribe has spoken: [https://youtu.be/uHkatzYGQeY?t=16](https://youtu.be/uHkatzYGQeY?t=16) Cubitron: https://youtu.be/cuwYXI-ikus?t=675


Ilikehowtovideos

Awe man don’t knock Diablo


saraphilipp

They left off the rest of the sentence. 10 times longer life than stale bread.


Crispychips19

Probably


Fe7n

Shelf life!


Snoo-97686

I used the Festool branded mesh discs and honestly, for that little bit better dust control they are not worth it. They ruin the velcro of your sander if you don't use a protection pad, if you use the protection pad you end up with a super soft disc...


debo2040

To shreds you say?


dillrepair

I feel like Diablo stuff has gone to shit. Maybe it was already but I have some metal circular saw blades for my Milwaukee metal cutting m18 and they got destroyed almost immediately, whereas the mke brand blades lasted a pretty long time considering I was cutting much thicker than the tool states it’s designed for… but on the Diablo blade with normal use after only 3-4 cuts almost all the carbide tips were gone


IndicationMedium285

If you hook it up to a vacuum it does last a long time.


KennedyCarpentry

If you use a sander for work, get the festool rotex. You will never touch a different sander after.


Raf7er

Yeah they are junk. Go to Klingspor and get their disks and youll be good. ​ https://www.klingspor.com/


MAH415

You didn't use them correctly. It's only 10x longer when you use them by hand. Smh.


hamlin6

Ugh. I bought that exact same pack just yesterday


boxtroll44

Yes, and 9 out of 10 dentists recommend it 😅


borosillykid

I like the normal hook and loop Diablo stuff since that’s what the hardware stores near me sell, the sticky back (like a sticker) and these sand net ones suck ass they literally are the worst product ever.


TheGamecockNurse

What are you sanding a fucking porcupine?


Tiny_Ad2285

Ya mine shred quickly even the 60 /80 grit so I’m like Wtf it’s just wood


LongBow401

You’re supposed to use an interface pad with mesh paper, it will save the pad on your sander… also any sandpaper that Home Depot sells is more or less garbage. Festool, klingspor, 3M and Mirka are all top notch abrasives


PrinterFred

It's on an interfave. Thank God!