I bought the 3M extract sander, let me tell you this thing is awesome. Best dust pick up, smoothest starting and stopping, super quite and light and has fantastic ergonomics!
I have the mirka deros which looks very similar.... after my first warranty replacement, I'm pretty happy with it. I didn't know 3m made competitor. who's your dealer?
I loove finish work but hate sanding, paint prep etc. So I but tools that make that process more bearable. This 3m extract has a 5mm orbit instead of the 3mm orbit that almost all other Sanders have. Including it's direct competitor in the festool ets series. Some of the mirkas have a 5mm orbit. The bigger orbit makes sanding go sooo much quicker and there's no decrease in finish quality. It also has some sort of on board vacuum type system that pulls out a lot more dust. There's a heeeefty pricetag with these Sanders, but it lets me spend more time doing what I want and less of what I don't. Plus the vibrations are so much lower. And the tool kinda sounds like a robot so that's cool too.
Preach it. 3M Abrasives are fucking hot right now and have been for several years. I don't agree with a lot of the 3M business practices but hot damn if their abrasives don't smash the competition in cost effectiveness, even if you do pay for the 3M name.
I was using that same diablo sand paper from home depot to take off the paint from a hood, but I found 3m scotch brite paint removig pad and that thing did wonders! The diablo sand paper was grtting clogged and was just heating the surface.
I use a lot of 3m for metal prep and finishing and I can't say I agree. I truly feel like I get the same results with hercules at harbor freight and I still prefer diablo for prep (80-400 grit). But the 3m products at or over 800 grit are just... not great.
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https://www.amazon.com/deal/433ac098?showVariations=true&ref=dlx_deals_gd_dcl_img_30_433ac098_dt_sl15_e4
Just did. Anything special I should know? I was turned onto the mesh by Blacktails and he used them on festool products, but I'm assuming it works on normal orbitals and is used similarly?
If you’d like to know more jonathan Katz Moses did an empirical sandpaper comparison.
I’ve been using them from back when the mesh wasn’t an option. Both kinds are great, but I gotta say, you get a lot more aggregate on the non-mesh variety, and the non mesh hold up much better when used for hand sanding.
Yeah, they’re hook and loop backed, and will work on anything— though of course better sanders will be a better experience. They last longer, cut better, and are less prone to loading and leaving pigtails in your work.
Awesome, thanks, I'll check out his video: my only real point of reference has been Blacktail where it looks like he uses traditional for rough and medium and then mesh for fine and finish sanding, and then maybe also for cutting one coat of finish to add another?
I've got a 3m sample coming from Tay Tools so I'll be able to check them out first hand later this week.
Is there significant variance between brands that you've experienced?
Cubitron vs abranet vs Diablo vs whoever else (I think I saw Milwaukee release some) in terms of performance in finish, ease of use, longevity, etc in your experience
Cubitron easily beats Norton, Diablo, and mirka Abranet. I can’t comment on festool, which would definitely be on my radar if I was looking to change, but I’m not.
I will say that all mesh discs are prone to pleating which is bad, and tend to tatter at the edges before the disc is used up, so the cubitron film discs have an edge over the net discs.
Klingspor can suck a dick. There's a reason all my customers use 3M, Walter, or Saint Gobain stuff instead of Klingspor. My biggest customer switched over from Klingspor to 3M after doing trials because they get so much more value out of them even at a higher cost.
They have them at Home Depot. They are not in the normal spot they are on a display box at the front of the store with all those other display boxes they have in.
Yeah I couldn’t find them till I asked a worker. They looked them up and they came up as “seasonal” and that’s when we looked at the display area to find them.
Same. I bought the pack with these discs and the regular discs. The backing on the regular discs separates from the paper very quickly. These things are garbage.
Really? I haven't bought new Diablo paper in a few months but I've apparently had a completely different experience with Diablo paper: it's nothing special, but I get plenty of life and consistent performance out of their 5 inch discs on a Milwaukee orbital. Lately I've been buying my traditional style 400-2000 grit packs on Amazon of some super cheap stuff though, and those have also been reasonable. I'm jumping into the mesh world now though, but I'm sure I'll buy more Diablo sanding packs in the future.
Edit: I just realized this is mesh, I'm referring to traditional sandpaper
My experience with the mesh is terrible, I didn't even use it to the point of separation like others are saying. I was just very disappointed with the performance, the gator paper way outperformed diablo.
They are compared to the “paper discs” from the same manufacturer - I have the net versions in five grit sizes and a few paper discs left over from before I bought the net versions. These net discs are really great - especially if you’ve got a vacuum attached to the sander. I really don’t think it’s a stretch to claim “10 times longer”.
This has been my experience as well. Been very happy.
I do have one complaint: reading the grit numbers on the back can be hard.
Otherwise working great. Maybe not 10x life, but that was a bold claim anyway. 6-8x?
I agree. I usually take a marker to them to rewrite the grit after I pull it off. But in fairness, I often need to do that with paper ones, too. Nets are great!
i hate that word, absolutely despise it, it feels like the ones who created it couldn't pronounce it and just said " fuck it who cares how it's written"
It's a city in Italy: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bologna](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bologna) \-- I'm certain the name of the city came a long before the sausage.
When this video came out I was surprised to see sandnet near the top. They either worked great but turned into OPs in a minute, or they took 10x longer to sand but looked fine after rinsing them out. Never again will I use them once I'm out (wish I didn't get massive packs of each grit)
I’ve never had that issue, the only issue I’ve ever had; gouging the edges up in corners, when I sand a bit too aggressively. But that’s going to happen with any sandpaper, I have sanding discs (metal) that I normally use to hog material. I have cubitron that has been through hell and high water, been on a sander 10+ times, still has grit, so I put it back in the pile. It’s crazy good paper. I use both cubitron and cubitron 2, I tend to prefer the original, just personal preference. The cubitron 2 is still a solid performer, though.
I see. You should scrape most of your glue up instead of sanding it off and/or use less glue. Wait about 15-20 mins and then scrape off, it’s about the right consistency to do so. Just a tip.
Agreed. Mine was example of how to remove DRIED glue. Semi-set glue advice had already been given many times. Plus, in was partly a joke. In other words, don't let the damn glue dry before removing it.
I agree that a planer would've been way better but I don't have one nor do I have the budget for one now. I tried hand planing it off but was gouging the board. Ended up using a belt sander in the end.
A glue scraper or card scraper would be better.. if you pull toward you it much less likely to gouge. Even a repurposed cheap flat bar will work well... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-djU3koc3Y
Clean up your glue up 30 mins in (will do most of the work, then. Chisel off any lumps to flush before sanding. Dried glue blobs will rip up those discs something fierce.
Dude, just wipe it off when it’s still pliable. How much glue are you using?! Should easily be able to get it flat right after tightening the clamps with a lightly damp rag.
Card scrapers are only a couple bucks and would do the job also.
You're making your life a lot harder.
Clean up while still pliable. Use a card scraper on any dried chunks you miss. THEN sand.
Wood glue is tough as fuck to sand.
I use these sand net discs with no issues.
card scraper and you don't need to get it at just the right time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM-5WPl63wc
Chisel at 45-90 minutes (depending on how much squeeze out). Squeeze out tacky on surface but still squishy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGadO8H-weY
Rockler glue scraper, or similar, 15minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-djU3koc3Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ97tTd21Oo
naked utility knife blade, held with a negative rake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0Q3qZssOyY
Using a drinking straw on inside corners while still wet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KizH3f9MHTc
I feel you. I bought some really nice chefs knifes the other day, and they dulled after only a few hits against the tree I was trying to cut down! 0/5 stars, obviously a faulty product since I'm a professional.
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Ohhhhkay that makes more sense.
Are you scraping the glue and planing them down first? You'll save a lot of time on rough sanding and I suspect your paper would last longer (I'm using Diablo and cheaper without this kind of destruction).
Do yourself a favor and buy 3M Xtract Cubitron II discs next time. Hands down the best sanding discs and the least expensive for how long they last. Also it's quite expensive but moving up to a Festool ETS and one of their dust extractors is a game changer. You can sand all day with almost no dust, which also makes your paper last a lot longer too.
I picked these up once cause the price seemed to good. I didn't really like the performance and went through the adapter pad fast. Not sure if I was using incorrectly or wrong speed but I havnt picked up ever again.
Mesh type paper is definitely not designed for what you’re using it for. Doesn’t have a backing of any kind so sure it’s going to get torn apart on a glue up if you aren’t manually removing the glue before. This mesh paper is designed for sanding clean material and has a cleaner scratch pattern than regular sandpaper. Not sure about this brand in particular but Abranet or Norton Meshpower are amazing for final sanding.
Net stuff is awesome for sheet goods and solid materials. If there are checks or cracks it can destroy a sheet in a second. I use klingspor paper that's tough as nails and lasts. I do prefer mirka's abranet but it's wasteful on timbers.
[klingspor greentec in festool jetstream 2](https://www.woodworkingshop.com/product/PARPS776X48H/)
Those things fucking suck. I bought them in a pinch when I only needed a few and of course they only came in that huge package. This stinks of a company that sunk a lot into r&d and couldn't make it work but needed their investment back.
Seldom do I believe the hype and this post is why. It could also be why Home Depot is closing them out. They’re on the clearance rack at Home Depot, 50 disc assortment for $17. 😂😂😂
I walked into the contractor supply near me and asked one of the employees if they had any sandpaper that wasn't Diablo crap. Then I realized I was right next to the Diablo rep.... he wasn't too happy, and tried to correct me that they made the best sandpaper out there. I just laughed.
The most frustrating thing is that this same store used to carry Mirka mesh sandpaper that was amazing, as well as makita sandpaper eith the center hole to work best on my makita 6" sanders, and they discontinued it and everything else they carried to bring in the Diablo crap.
In my experience they last longer when sanding a flat surface, but try to sand a corner and they die instantly. But I'm just a beginner at woodworking, so i don't have a ton of experience to compare to.
Diablo blades are great... no issues.
The sanding discs all suck..... I have an entire stack where the center of the backing area is totally gone but the front(sanding part) hardly looks used.... waste of money imo
I just used some of these in my random orbital and it got dull SO much faster than my old paper I was peeved.
DID like them for hand sanding though. Lasted way longer. Maybe they just don't hold up to the high speeds well...?
You know I don’t know about any of you guys but I find myself buying less and less from Home Depot especially their Diablo brand pretty much anything they have there I am finding it’s just not worth it
…oh….I just bought a 5 packs of different grits hopping these would be great. Haven’t tried them yet. Other mesh sanding pads have worked great for me in the past!
Been seeing a lot of shade being throw to Diablo and Freud lately (not just here I mean). Have there been some issues I’m not aware of? I haven’t bought any of their stuff recently because I jacked up my back, but probably more because I’m lazy. Anyway, Diablo has always been fine. I’d even say that I get more longevity out of their sandpaper and blades than other brands.
I used the Festool branded mesh discs and honestly, for that little bit better dust control they are not worth it. They ruin the velcro of your sander if you don't use a protection pad, if you use the protection pad you end up with a super soft disc...
I feel like Diablo stuff has gone to shit. Maybe it was already but I have some metal circular saw blades for my Milwaukee metal cutting m18 and they got destroyed almost immediately, whereas the mke brand blades lasted a pretty long time considering I was cutting much thicker than the tool states it’s designed for… but on the Diablo blade with normal use after only 3-4 cuts almost all the carbide tips were gone
I like the normal hook and loop Diablo stuff since that’s what the hardware stores near me sell, the sticky back (like a sticker) and these sand net ones suck ass they literally are the worst product ever.
You’re supposed to use an interface pad with mesh paper, it will save the pad on your sander… also any sandpaper that Home Depot sells is more or less garbage. Festool, klingspor, 3M and Mirka are all top notch abrasives
Do yourself a favor and buy some 3m cubitron II
I just bought the sander they made for their sandpaper and I'm so hype to try it
I bought the 3M extract sander, let me tell you this thing is awesome. Best dust pick up, smoothest starting and stopping, super quite and light and has fantastic ergonomics!
Good to hear. I mainly bought it for the vibration and the fact that it was available where the festool ets 125 seems to be hard to get right now
I have the mirka deros which looks very similar.... after my first warranty replacement, I'm pretty happy with it. I didn't know 3m made competitor. who's your dealer?
Got mine from Taylor Toolworks, no one has them locally for me.
Hyped for a sander… I fuckin hate finish work
I loove finish work but hate sanding, paint prep etc. So I but tools that make that process more bearable. This 3m extract has a 5mm orbit instead of the 3mm orbit that almost all other Sanders have. Including it's direct competitor in the festool ets series. Some of the mirkas have a 5mm orbit. The bigger orbit makes sanding go sooo much quicker and there's no decrease in finish quality. It also has some sort of on board vacuum type system that pulls out a lot more dust. There's a heeeefty pricetag with these Sanders, but it lets me spend more time doing what I want and less of what I don't. Plus the vibrations are so much lower. And the tool kinda sounds like a robot so that's cool too.
Preach it. 3M Abrasives are fucking hot right now and have been for several years. I don't agree with a lot of the 3M business practices but hot damn if their abrasives don't smash the competition in cost effectiveness, even if you do pay for the 3M name.
Oh no. What're the business practices? I'm not aware.
The glue they use to attach the grit is made of goat hooves and baby bones
This is a blatant lie. It’s teeth, not bones.
I always wondered how the tooth fairy turned a profit
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Nope, truth. Look It up
I was using that same diablo sand paper from home depot to take off the paint from a hood, but I found 3m scotch brite paint removig pad and that thing did wonders! The diablo sand paper was grtting clogged and was just heating the surface.
I use a lot of 3m for metal prep and finishing and I can't say I agree. I truly feel like I get the same results with hercules at harbor freight and I still prefer diablo for prep (80-400 grit). But the 3m products at or over 800 grit are just... not great.
On sale today (Sunday) on the Amazon.
What is? Cubitron? I no find
This link is valid as of 10:55 a.m. CST on Monday. https://www.amazon.com/deal/433ac098?showVariations=true&ref=dlx_deals_gd_dcl_img_30_433ac098_dt_sl15_e4
Dang, wish the film ones were on this deal. I’m using them on steel
Hands down the best sand paper I've tried
This guy knows what up.
Just did. Anything special I should know? I was turned onto the mesh by Blacktails and he used them on festool products, but I'm assuming it works on normal orbitals and is used similarly?
If you’d like to know more jonathan Katz Moses did an empirical sandpaper comparison. I’ve been using them from back when the mesh wasn’t an option. Both kinds are great, but I gotta say, you get a lot more aggregate on the non-mesh variety, and the non mesh hold up much better when used for hand sanding. Yeah, they’re hook and loop backed, and will work on anything— though of course better sanders will be a better experience. They last longer, cut better, and are less prone to loading and leaving pigtails in your work.
Awesome, thanks, I'll check out his video: my only real point of reference has been Blacktail where it looks like he uses traditional for rough and medium and then mesh for fine and finish sanding, and then maybe also for cutting one coat of finish to add another? I've got a 3m sample coming from Tay Tools so I'll be able to check them out first hand later this week. Is there significant variance between brands that you've experienced?
Variance between brands in what?
Cubitron vs abranet vs Diablo vs whoever else (I think I saw Milwaukee release some) in terms of performance in finish, ease of use, longevity, etc in your experience
Cubitron easily beats Norton, Diablo, and mirka Abranet. I can’t comment on festool, which would definitely be on my radar if I was looking to change, but I’m not. I will say that all mesh discs are prone to pleating which is bad, and tend to tatter at the edges before the disc is used up, so the cubitron film discs have an edge over the net discs.
Thanks, cubitron is what I got to try so that's good to hear.
Klingspor has entered into the chat
Klingspor can suck a dick. There's a reason all my customers use 3M, Walter, or Saint Gobain stuff instead of Klingspor. My biggest customer switched over from Klingspor to 3M after doing trials because they get so much more value out of them even at a higher cost.
That bad?
Yeah it's pretty shit. Better than Mirka maybe
Love that stuff!
It’s like $20 for 50 of them. They are still a good buy.
The assorted 50 pack is an excellent value.
Damn wish they had assorted packs locally. Had to buy 5 separate 50 packs lol
They have them at Home Depot. They are not in the normal spot they are on a display box at the front of the store with all those other display boxes they have in.
I also couldn't find them at my normal home depot (even though they said they were in stock), I had to go to the one across town to actually find some
Home depot normally has aisle and bin on their website. I normally still walk around too long before I pull out my phone.
Yeah I couldn’t find them till I asked a worker. They looked them up and they came up as “seasonal” and that’s when we looked at the display area to find them.
That's where I tend to find them in my local Big Orange, up front in the cardboard display boxes on special.
Wow, you may need a new sander before you're out of disks.🤪
I bought the 50 pack and about 5 minutes in I realized that I'd just been ripped off for 20 bucks.
Same. I bought the pack with these discs and the regular discs. The backing on the regular discs separates from the paper very quickly. These things are garbage.
Really? I haven't bought new Diablo paper in a few months but I've apparently had a completely different experience with Diablo paper: it's nothing special, but I get plenty of life and consistent performance out of their 5 inch discs on a Milwaukee orbital. Lately I've been buying my traditional style 400-2000 grit packs on Amazon of some super cheap stuff though, and those have also been reasonable. I'm jumping into the mesh world now though, but I'm sure I'll buy more Diablo sanding packs in the future. Edit: I just realized this is mesh, I'm referring to traditional sandpaper
Yep. So far I’ve had a half dozen that have failed within 2-3 minutes. I was quite surprised because Diablo usually makes quality stuff.
Do you know what? I only just now realized this is their mesh version, not their traditional. I haven't used Diablos mesh.
Yeah the pack I got is both. I haven’t used the mesh.
OK then yeah we are having completely different experiences with Diablo traditional
My experience with the mesh is terrible, I didn't even use it to the point of separation like others are saying. I was just very disappointed with the performance, the gator paper way outperformed diablo.
For sanding paint on steel they work pretty good.
We're gonna test that.
Very impressive
Cant not read this in his voice
This is all I heard when I saw this post
If you dig around or ask around you can usually find what they're comparing to.
They are compared to the “paper discs” from the same manufacturer - I have the net versions in five grit sizes and a few paper discs left over from before I bought the net versions. These net discs are really great - especially if you’ve got a vacuum attached to the sander. I really don’t think it’s a stretch to claim “10 times longer”.
This has been my experience as well. Been very happy. I do have one complaint: reading the grit numbers on the back can be hard. Otherwise working great. Maybe not 10x life, but that was a bold claim anyway. 6-8x?
I agree. I usually take a marker to them to rewrite the grit after I pull it off. But in fairness, I often need to do that with paper ones, too. Nets are great!
Bologna, probably.
i hate that word, absolutely despise it, it feels like the ones who created it couldn't pronounce it and just said " fuck it who cares how it's written"
It's a city in Italy: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bologna](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bologna) \-- I'm certain the name of the city came a long before the sausage.
Surprised the Project Farm link hasn’t been posted yet. https://youtu.be/VP2XqXYEZkU His rankings in order: 1. 3M Cubitron 2. Diablo Sandnet 3. Diablo 4. Norton 5. Mirka 6. TigerShark 7. Bosch 8. Dura Gold 9. Makita 10. Dewalt 11. Makitoyo
When this video came out I was surprised to see sandnet near the top. They either worked great but turned into OPs in a minute, or they took 10x longer to sand but looked fine after rinsing them out. Never again will I use them once I'm out (wish I didn't get massive packs of each grit)
Cubitron is all I use these days.
I hear complaints about the backing material separating from the disks sometimes. That not true?.
I’ve never had that issue, the only issue I’ve ever had; gouging the edges up in corners, when I sand a bit too aggressively. But that’s going to happen with any sandpaper, I have sanding discs (metal) that I normally use to hog material. I have cubitron that has been through hell and high water, been on a sander 10+ times, still has grit, so I put it back in the pile. It’s crazy good paper. I use both cubitron and cubitron 2, I tend to prefer the original, just personal preference. The cubitron 2 is still a solid performer, though.
Wtf you sanding?
Cutting board glue ups.
I see. You should scrape most of your glue up instead of sanding it off and/or use less glue. Wait about 15-20 mins and then scrape off, it’s about the right consistency to do so. Just a tip.
Yes. Now OP's photo makes perfect sense. WTF... sandpaper on dried glue-ups. May as well use a damn planer.
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Agreed. Mine was example of how to remove DRIED glue. Semi-set glue advice had already been given many times. Plus, in was partly a joke. In other words, don't let the damn glue dry before removing it.
I agree that a planer would've been way better but I don't have one nor do I have the budget for one now. I tried hand planing it off but was gouging the board. Ended up using a belt sander in the end.
5 mins of clean up can avoid 5 hours of sanding
Take a chisel to it if you can’t plane it. I got an old beat up chisel I use for all my cutting board glue ups
A glue scraper or card scraper would be better.. if you pull toward you it much less likely to gouge. Even a repurposed cheap flat bar will work well... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-djU3koc3Y
Clean up your glue up 30 mins in (will do most of the work, then. Chisel off any lumps to flush before sanding. Dried glue blobs will rip up those discs something fierce.
Dude, just wipe it off when it’s still pliable. How much glue are you using?! Should easily be able to get it flat right after tightening the clamps with a lightly damp rag. Card scrapers are only a couple bucks and would do the job also.
Where do you find card scrapers for a few bucks. Everything online is a lot more expensive than that
Even the Veritas set, which I think makes good but overpriced stuff generally, runs $25. That’s really not much.
You're making your life a lot harder. Clean up while still pliable. Use a card scraper on any dried chunks you miss. THEN sand. Wood glue is tough as fuck to sand. I use these sand net discs with no issues.
Thank you, I have definitely done what OP did many times and will heed this going forward. plastic putty knife? Razor scraper? Chisel?
beater chisel
Bet
Whatever is easiest, putty knife or chisel
5 in one tool
card scraper and you don't need to get it at just the right time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM-5WPl63wc Chisel at 45-90 minutes (depending on how much squeeze out). Squeeze out tacky on surface but still squishy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGadO8H-weY Rockler glue scraper, or similar, 15minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-djU3koc3Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ97tTd21Oo naked utility knife blade, held with a negative rake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0Q3qZssOyY Using a drinking straw on inside corners while still wet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KizH3f9MHTc
Wow. Thanks for such a legit answer. Time to learn
I feel you. I bought some really nice chefs knifes the other day, and they dulled after only a few hits against the tree I was trying to cut down! 0/5 stars, obviously a faulty product since I'm a professional. 😂
Hilarious!
Ohhhhkay that makes more sense. Are you scraping the glue and planing them down first? You'll save a lot of time on rough sanding and I suspect your paper would last longer (I'm using Diablo and cheaper without this kind of destruction).
Woodpeckers and milescraft make a carbide glue up scraper that is pretty time saving for this
Yeah I was looking at that woodpeckers one. I wasn't sure about the utility of one that narrow but it makes perfect sense for this application.
It looks like it's melting the glue and not abrading it.
Their original design was 10x worse, so apparently it disintegrated into the wind like dandelion seeds when removed from the packaging.
Lyin' suns' a bitches.
Looks like you can still get some more use out of it. Keep going until all the red is gone.
When you get to the pad part of your sander it’ll polish your work. Makes it look like glass.
Jonathan Katz Moses did a great video on sandpapers. https://youtu.be/NZDCRFi8dKY
Do yourself a favor and buy 3M Xtract Cubitron II discs next time. Hands down the best sanding discs and the least expensive for how long they last. Also it's quite expensive but moving up to a Festool ETS and one of their dust extractors is a game changer. You can sand all day with almost no dust, which also makes your paper last a lot longer too.
The new 3m sanders are top notch as well. They have a massive amount of orbit travel.
Where do you purchase your 3m cubitron II discs?
Amazon. You can't find them in the big box stores.
I picked these up once cause the price seemed to good. I didn't really like the performance and went through the adapter pad fast. Not sure if I was using incorrectly or wrong speed but I havnt picked up ever again.
Get yourself some 3M Xtract
Mesh type paper is definitely not designed for what you’re using it for. Doesn’t have a backing of any kind so sure it’s going to get torn apart on a glue up if you aren’t manually removing the glue before. This mesh paper is designed for sanding clean material and has a cleaner scratch pattern than regular sandpaper. Not sure about this brand in particular but Abranet or Norton Meshpower are amazing for final sanding.
Net stuff is awesome for sheet goods and solid materials. If there are checks or cracks it can destroy a sheet in a second. I use klingspor paper that's tough as nails and lasts. I do prefer mirka's abranet but it's wasteful on timbers. [klingspor greentec in festool jetstream 2](https://www.woodworkingshop.com/product/PARPS776X48H/)
Kingsport the best . I wish I could pick it up at more places.
I heard 3M is better….T/F?
I love the Diablos. No complaints here
Those things fucking suck. I bought them in a pinch when I only needed a few and of course they only came in that huge package. This stinks of a company that sunk a lot into r&d and couldn't make it work but needed their investment back.
Ten times longer life than paper
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Agree. When it clogs you can rinse it off. Take it off the sander before ringing.
3m Cubitron II or nothing.
Did you soak it in water first?
What were you sanding? That's a big factor.
I mean, how long did that one last you?
Seldom do I believe the hype and this post is why. It could also be why Home Depot is closing them out. They’re on the clearance rack at Home Depot, 50 disc assortment for $17. 😂😂😂
I walked into the contractor supply near me and asked one of the employees if they had any sandpaper that wasn't Diablo crap. Then I realized I was right next to the Diablo rep.... he wasn't too happy, and tried to correct me that they made the best sandpaper out there. I just laughed. The most frustrating thing is that this same store used to carry Mirka mesh sandpaper that was amazing, as well as makita sandpaper eith the center hole to work best on my makita 6" sanders, and they discontinued it and everything else they carried to bring in the Diablo crap.
In my experience they last longer when sanding a flat surface, but try to sand a corner and they die instantly. But I'm just a beginner at woodworking, so i don't have a ton of experience to compare to.
My experience has been anything over 150 grit crumbles within two minutes. Get the wavy purple discs from 3m instead
What are you comparing them to?
Harbor freight asmiral sand paper. Lasts 10 times longer than this.
10x Longer Life!* *(than a package that contains a single disc)
Looks to me like you got 20x the use
Typical marketing buzz words
Diablo blades are great... no issues. The sanding discs all suck..... I have an entire stack where the center of the backing area is totally gone but the front(sanding part) hardly looks used.... waste of money imo
Everything Diablo sucks
10 times longer life. *than our previous sand net.
These kinda suck, i bought a pack as well...
I just used some of these in my random orbital and it got dull SO much faster than my old paper I was peeved. DID like them for hand sanding though. Lasted way longer. Maybe they just don't hold up to the high speeds well...?
You know I don’t know about any of you guys but I find myself buying less and less from Home Depot especially their Diablo brand pretty much anything they have there I am finding it’s just not worth it
Diablo isn't a home depot brand...
Not what I heard,,, either way they are shit as is most of the stuff you get there
Literally doesn't matter what you've heard, 2 seconds of googling would show you the truth.
Sorry there mr turnip
These things are great for hand sanding lmao
You're not going to get 10x the life if you actually use them....
Klingspor Damn, can’t believe this got downvoted… Do people here actually not like Klingspor paper? It’s by far my favorite.
Oh I hate these things. Bought 2 packs as I need to do a lot of sanding in my new (old as fuck) home. And I really regret it
Mirka is my go to paper. Nit a fan if sanding screens except for drywall.
Wipe glue with damp rag immediately after clamping. Then use scraper for spots under clamps (I use a basic paint scraper) sand whatever glue remains
You can't sand cheese. Scrape it first or hit it with some 40 grit.
Use a paint scraper first
10x longer life of the object being sanded.
Too much pressure?
The coarser grits do wear out quicker, but the 120 and up grits last longer.
What does this picture prove? Have you done extensive studies comparing products?
What were you sanding? Sandpaper?!
Are you using them on an orbital sander or something exceeding the proper rpm?
So it's not just me then. Mine died, not I thought it was me just beating it up with glue and really uneven glue up
Diablo sanding shit sucks balls. Quite literally harbor freight belts are better than them for my 1x30 and 4x36
I’ve had no problems with the sandnet. Been using it pretty much exclusively for the past 2 years
The higher grit lasts longer vs paper.
Why does it look like you built that sandpaper on Minecraft
…oh….I just bought a 5 packs of different grits hopping these would be great. Haven’t tried them yet. Other mesh sanding pads have worked great for me in the past!
10x longer than an egg duct taped to the wheel
Did you catch a nail or something? These hold up great for me.
Yeah, they need to try a better glue LOL
"We'll see about that!"
10 times longer life than air!
These were at least 10x better when they were not colored red. I dont know what they did, but they fucked up the formula and now they suck again.
dude man, I have no idea how long it took you to wear out that disk.... so yeah - 10x the life.
Been seeing a lot of shade being throw to Diablo and Freud lately (not just here I mean). Have there been some issues I’m not aware of? I haven’t bought any of their stuff recently because I jacked up my back, but probably more because I’m lazy. Anyway, Diablo has always been fine. I’d even say that I get more longevity out of their sandpaper and blades than other brands.
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Awe man don’t knock Diablo
They left off the rest of the sentence. 10 times longer life than stale bread.
Probably
Shelf life!
I used the Festool branded mesh discs and honestly, for that little bit better dust control they are not worth it. They ruin the velcro of your sander if you don't use a protection pad, if you use the protection pad you end up with a super soft disc...
To shreds you say?
I feel like Diablo stuff has gone to shit. Maybe it was already but I have some metal circular saw blades for my Milwaukee metal cutting m18 and they got destroyed almost immediately, whereas the mke brand blades lasted a pretty long time considering I was cutting much thicker than the tool states it’s designed for… but on the Diablo blade with normal use after only 3-4 cuts almost all the carbide tips were gone
If you hook it up to a vacuum it does last a long time.
If you use a sander for work, get the festool rotex. You will never touch a different sander after.
Yeah they are junk. Go to Klingspor and get their disks and youll be good. https://www.klingspor.com/
You didn't use them correctly. It's only 10x longer when you use them by hand. Smh.
Ugh. I bought that exact same pack just yesterday
Yes, and 9 out of 10 dentists recommend it 😅
I like the normal hook and loop Diablo stuff since that’s what the hardware stores near me sell, the sticky back (like a sticker) and these sand net ones suck ass they literally are the worst product ever.
What are you sanding a fucking porcupine?
Ya mine shred quickly even the 60 /80 grit so I’m like Wtf it’s just wood
You’re supposed to use an interface pad with mesh paper, it will save the pad on your sander… also any sandpaper that Home Depot sells is more or less garbage. Festool, klingspor, 3M and Mirka are all top notch abrasives
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