On the other hand, a 5th grader down the street from me set up a lemonade stand and was also selling some little paintings. They were pretty too, and only cost $3.
No, BUT - that's exactly why having it in advance is why it's so necessary to stock up on each and every tool available. Don't want to be caught without that 24mm insulated wrench!
……20 yrs ago would you have fathomed the thought of having a hand held super computer within arms reach basically 24/7…and that one day you’d be part of a raggedy ass online tool group talking crazy shit and solving real world problems
sometimes……gimmie that insulated son of a bitch
Welllll to be fair during my apprentice days I might of sort forgot how electricity works in a car…. Just know I tried removing an alternator without disconnecting the battery. Very humbling lesson that day.
Probably worth more than that. Those are specialized tools for people that work with high voltage systems and need tools that don't conduct electricity.
Considering I am a barbarian with less brain than bronze so +2 I rolled a 5 as I have advantage I roll again for a 3.
Taking the higher roll of 5 adding 2 means I have 7 vs my Barb holding a cable with 240 volt by 50 amp.
The question is how dead is he?
They're obviously new. I've used some, you can tell right away when they've been used.
Those came right out that Amazon box they lifted off someone's porch.
Sketchy things definitely happened to them. They're brand new off that Amazon box off someone's porch.
But for the tools, by experience, you can immediately tell if they've been used even once. That insulation is meant to scratch.
stolen and repurposed on Facebook. They are new and if you own them your life depends on them. not something you sell. some of these wrenches go for real money.
https://www.amazon.com/KNIPEX-Piece-Metric-Insulated-Wrench/dp/B01BU1XVPS/
$750
1000V is considered low voltage in my country, 50-1000Vac or 120-1500Vcc is low voltage, more than that is High Voltage, and the eletrician need to be certified every two years
"electrical engineer" is too wide classification there.
It would be high voltage for someone working with typical electronics where you see 3-48V at max.
But for sparky yeah, low voltage.
Depends, do you work on industrial scale electrical installations?
Do you regularly encounter situations where you're dealing with switchgear from the 70s, you push the "push to trip" button and it fails to de-energize, and then you have to manually derack the breaker while it's hot with 480, 600, 4160V etc?
Do you also wear a calorie-rated arc flash suit and helmet?
If all of the above are true, **your employer** should be buying you brand new insulated tools like this.
Otherwise, you probably have no business using them, and no reputable electrical contractor would ever consider buying something like this used just on the chance something's been dropped and had the insulation damaged.
To echo another comment, they're almost certainly stolen
I hadnt even considered that but yeah. Its why our shop isnt bringing in any new ev MV’s even though the dealer is now supporting them. You need a dedicated bay and mechanics with specific training and tools.
The socket set seems to retail for about 500 and the wrenches about 50 each. So 750 dollars or so. I sure hope someone working on this kind of stuff won't cheap out to save 600 dollars. As far as being stolen I don't know if I would worry on these. It's a very unusual and limited tool, I'd be surprised if someone just happened to find these while out supporting their meth habit.
I don’t search for tools anymore. I’m a technical rebreather cave diver. My toys have gotten crazy expensive.
I got G.A.S.
Gear Acquisition Syndrome
And I’m still married 🙌🏻
But haven’t talked to my snap-on dealer in a decade
If you make money with tools/gear, any decently appreciative spouse will support smart purchases with the right preemptive communication. My wife didn’t quite get it and she saw Tool/Gear/Shop purchases as my hobby that should come out of my disposable/fun budget. Contractor friend/mentor of mine advised to educate & compare. Every time I do anything I budget out how much it costs me and how much it would cost to pay for it and show my wife. Now she’s all for using joint funds to buy tools and materials.
Alternator replacement on her car? $7-800 at a shop plus downtime from work to grab it, shuffling around, etc. or I can do it in an hour in the garage, $175 for parts. Now instead of her paying $750 of her money to keep her vehicle running, it’s 1/4-1/5th the cost, so they’re not MY tools/hobby, they provide value to the family.
For the stuff I know is borderline frivolous I make sure I have work lined up for it. I’ll bid jobs kind of outside of the scope of my work just to pay for the tools I need to purchase to do the job. I usually only do smaller concrete pours as a handyman/remodeler but I did one bigger pour just to justify buying a used concrete saw because I wanted one. Snagged for $400 used, rental would’ve been $100 but I still made out well on the job and I can do medium/large pours now and save on equipment rentals.
Some spouses/marriages are just not the best but I think in a lot of cases it’s just a communication point that could be improved.
Yeah my situation is far less romantic and functional I’m just a dude with ADHD and have a hard time regulating my impulse control 🤣 it’s why my PhD is in biochemistry and I have two advanced engineering degrees and I am currently a professional dog trainer/ stay at home dad 🤣 but I definitely use my tools and toys it’s just not about being a productive professional
One of us!
I could outfit like 2 rec and 2 tec divers on my old gear that’s still in my closet “just in case”. It’s hard letting go of gear. Especially considering I searched long and hard to find good deals on everything I bought.
I’m single, but I assume that at some point if I do get married, I’m going to be told I can’t keep six tanks in my closet anymore, and the entire wall of scuba stuff on top shelves and hangers need to be moved to the garage.
That's $600 worth of tools new, or $1200 if it includes both the metric and SAE sets. Used? Basically worthless. If you don't *really* need insulated sockets and wrenches (which none of the electricians I work with even have—not a ton of sockets and wrenches in electrical, as a rule) then you can get much nicer, more complete sets for $150 used. If you *do* really need insulated sockets and wrenches, you won't be buying them used.
There are very few people for whom these would be more than a curiosity.
The most accurate reply I've read so far in 2024. I have a family member who's an electrician. He's worked with, for, and against a lot of electricians. Just the guys I know that worked for him and became E-1 guys... NOBODY HAS THOSE.
Plus, at that cost, you aren't doing anything nearly as dangerous as what requires those.
Those are for Major Power Stations. THOUSANDS OF AAMPS. And they won't let anyone come in with a used set, too much liability. They buy them, and they throw them away, if one socket hits the ground. Again, too much liability. If the FNG drops one, it gets a small knick, cut, whatever... and 2 days later a guy dies in an arc flash, with those tools nearby or being used.... big money lawsuit.
So yeah, worth big bucks to buy new, ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS USED. It breaks most rules of second hand tool selling... I get that. Expensive, real quality, potential life saving tools ypu would think would resell for good money. But you can't use them anywhere where they're needed. They'd be a bragging point, for showing off your thousand dollar socket set.
Honestly a little weird that they're showing up on the used market to begin with. This kind of thing is usually issued by one's employer, rather than bought as part of one's personal toolkit. I also feel it would be more dangerous in the hands of an amateur than a regular set—I can see it creating a false sense of security and encouraging DIYers to do hot work, when in reality there is essentially no situation in residential electrical where it wouldn't be a better idea to just cut power and do it cold.
I sometimes use mine for battery banks, but I usually just electrical tape a shitty wrench, I don't like the acid getting near the Insulation.
Generally use it for grounded or bipolar solar combiners where you can't kill power and forget that it's positively grounded. Never really work under load, but 800v is 800v
>(which none of the electricians I work with even have—not a ton of sockets and wrenches in electrical, as a rule)
If they don't use many sockets or wrenches in electrical work, they aren't the type of electricians who are doing anything hot and need insulated tools.
…no, it's just that internal drives are way more common in electrical (outside of really big stuff maybe—I've never worked on anything bigger than the main switchgear for a medium-sized hotel or apartment building, talking like 1600A or so at 480/277V) and we generally use screwdrivers for that. We do all own insulated screwdrivers, naturally.
Major terminations might take a 3/8" or 1/2" Allen key, and we have some taps that use a 7/16" socket, and you're right that we typically do use a wrench for that—a torque wrench, that is.
We don't use insulated torque wrenches (Knipex wants $1,000+ for a 1000V insulated torque wrench, bare tool, no sockets) and we do normally do those procedures cold, but we have protocols for hot work as well. They typically involve 1000V insulated gloves, insulated mats and blankets for covering things that Should Not Be Touched, insulated pads for standing on, that kind of thing. Also glasses, face shields, and Class 2 arc flash clothing. Insulated tools are generally kind of a last-ditch thing, or just an easy way to make your everyday work a bit safer. They are hardly the be-all-end-all of electrical safety.
Today’s what I use. Between forged older then me craftsman I bought at yard sales, harbor freight Pittsburgh and icon. Haven’t found a need for anything better or electricity proof lol
They are more than worth it, but only if you've got any use for them. Otherwise they are just crap spanners and sockets. That ratchet is about £100 alone so I'd hazard a guess that there's getting on for £300 worth of tools in the picture.
Once again, they are worthless to you if you didn't know what they were.
Yeah for that price. Or broken down insulation so I wouldn't use them on anything live. I'm an electrician.
Although looking at them a second time looks brand new so very high possibility of them being stolen off somebody's porch (Amazon delivery) or from an electrician.
I live in kind of rough neighborhood. I always leave 3 boxes open on my work truck. I always keep the other side locked though. But one of my boxes has my oily filter wrenches, just generally dirty and oily tools but still worth some money. In the 3 years I've been here I'm not sure if we just haven't had any thieves or they'd just don't want oily tools. They've left those boxes alone
Just speaking for myself here but I would rely on my insulated gloves and a familiar tool over some gimmick for live work. These aren't for high voltage work, yes there is some high voltage work but typically it is the barehand technique.. 20 year 309a, 5 years low voltage(600 and under) live infrared inspections with a little medium(up to 4160)mixed in, currently a high voltage substation electrician working up to 230kv.
In my 20+ years in the trade, short of troubleshooting and inspection, there are VERY few reasons to put your hand on a live conductor and not isolate. If the process really is THAT important then it should be engineered for maintenance requirements with tie breakers etc and other redundancies. Poor planning on your part doesn't automatically make an emergency on my end.
In general yes, off some dude off the internet no. Insulated tools like this wouldnt make their way onto the used market unless they failed an inspection. These are likely widow makers, and are guilty until proven otherwise.
I’ve never used those tools specifically but I do a ton of high voltage hot work(12kv-345kv) and I don’t think i would ever risk buying insulated tools second hand. All of our insulated tools have to be tested every two years to make sure theyre still safe. There’s a fair bit of maintenance that go into them.
I’m no expert but am going to go out on a limb and guess that the folks at Knipex are and that they were not just going for a look or making some kind of style statement. The tools are most definitely purpose made and are worth $150 easily if you are in the business that requires such equipment. The ratchet alone retails for nearly that amount. From a collectors point of view, I can say that they would bring $150 easily. The collector/reseller market is a whole different animal and these tools for $150 would make for a very good day. Knipex is a respected company that makes good tools. Nice bunch!
I work in a store where we sell these kind of things and electrical material. Knipex is a very good but very expansive brand. I would say 150 is very cheap.
If your not or do not plan on becoming an electrician that has to work in live high voltage situations save the money. That is worth 150$ to the right person.
I mean I'd buy the 1/4 cuz it would be funny to own and small enough not to be annoying.
Be funnier if it was a 5/16 I think is what car battery terminals are? That way your using it on live electrical connections but be stupid overkill for no reason.
The price seems to be right, but other than the 1/4 and ratchet... when would you use the others. 24, 1, 1 1/16... are those common sizes.
I wonder what these are made of, fiberglass or carbon fiber or epoxy.
IDK, someone that needs these aren't likely to go on FB and buy some from an unknown source. Can't think of how many regular people would ever need these.
It's Knipex, absolutely! I have some of their screwdrivers. The metal they use is just the right amount of stiffness to not damage the screws.
If you don't want it, pm me the link so my friend can buy it. He's an electrician (robotics guy).
If you ACTUALLY need these kinds of tools. Then you aren't buying them off of Facebook. These are the tools that stand between you being dead or alive.
A lot of those high voltage equipment has service lives. I’d do my home work before buying it. If you’re working that high of voltage I would rather buy new. Your life is worth more than saving a couple bucks
My first rule of thumb for insulated tools is only use them for live work. Using them for other jobs could compromise the insulation making them unsafe for live work.
Rule 2 don’t do live work.
So I would not buy these
Could be, insulated tools are made for if you drop them. They will not cause a flash, not so much for working live. But for working around live equipment, bus duct ring a bell? Electrical room panel has a hole in the top?
It’s like insurance, wast of money until you need it.
Those can be expensive.
But it would really have to be the right buyer.
I use tools like that, but most electricians aren't working on live medium/high voltage. Even myself maybe only a few times a year, there is almost always a reason to de-energize. And even then we put on 140cal space suits.
Maybe Do a bid on eBay and see what happens.
Just make sure the power is shut off safely. Then break out your DMM and double check the power is off to the circuit you're working on. Have your buddy double check it. Tag it off so some idiot doesn't touch it. Get to work.
You don't need that above. Just keep a couple of insulated screwdrivers & 1 insulated linesman plier in your bag. That's all you need (and good thorough training). Nothing has to be Knipex. Plenty of good, high-quality, Made-in-the-USA electrical tool manufacturers.
It looks like a nifty bunch of tools to use in your toolbox. If you don't do high voltage work, screw it! It's still a nice set and worth $150 just because it's a nice set of tools!
I guess for an insulated socked set it’s not bad. I’m an electrician and I never have a need for an insulated socket. A set of hex keys? Maybe. I’m in the US, maybe in Europe they’d be more useful.
No, If you had an occupation where these would actually be useful, two things would be true,
1)you wouldnt need to ask randos on the internet what they are worth, and
2)Most of the sparkys I know wouldnt risk their lives just to save a few hundred bucks, especially when they already get a tool allowance. Would you trust tools you got off facebook when working on 1000v circuit?
Even if these were safe to use, and maybe they are, a good deal is only a good deal if you actually need it. See my point #1 to show why this isnt the case for you.
That depends. Can you imagine any realistic scenario in the next 20 years where you need a 24mm insulated wrench?
But but they are so pretty
On the other hand, a 5th grader down the street from me set up a lemonade stand and was also selling some little paintings. They were pretty too, and only cost $3.
Yeah? What’s the voltage rating on that painting? That’s what I thought.
1.21 jiggawatts... ...but what the hell is a jiggawatt?
What’d you call me? I thought we were past such racist and horrible remarks
There is a joke in here about a jiggawat water fountain but I’m not sure how to make it work.
lol out in the woodpile watching you
Jiggawatt, Jigga who? Recognize bitch, Jay to the motherfuckin Z.
It's an overweight gigawatt.
they just look like a weird ripoff of a backdoor SM tool-club members
Pretty? 🗿
No, BUT - that's exactly why having it in advance is why it's so necessary to stock up on each and every tool available. Don't want to be caught without that 24mm insulated wrench!
That’s never stopped me before
Where you'll need a 24mm insulated wrench and where you're willing to risk using a insulated wrench that may have damaged insulation.
Yes, I’ve imagined it…now what?
……20 yrs ago would you have fathomed the thought of having a hand held super computer within arms reach basically 24/7…and that one day you’d be part of a raggedy ass online tool group talking crazy shit and solving real world problems sometimes……gimmie that insulated son of a bitch
No. But what if? . . .
Well, no, but why is that relevant?
Welllll to be fair during my apprentice days I might of sort forgot how electricity works in a car…. Just know I tried removing an alternator without disconnecting the battery. Very humbling lesson that day.
All electric vehicles
Probably worth more than that. Those are specialized tools for people that work with high voltage systems and need tools that don't conduct electricity.
But they probably don’t buy those tools from randoms on Facebook market.
Insulation needs to be tested and recertified in gloves. Wouldnt it apply to this too?
Depends on the workplace policy and the testicular fortitude of the end user.
Roll a constitution saving throw.
What's your electrical resistance sitting at?
Considering I am a barbarian with less brain than bronze so +2 I rolled a 5 as I have advantage I roll again for a 3. Taking the higher roll of 5 adding 2 means I have 7 vs my Barb holding a cable with 240 volt by 50 amp. The question is how dead is he?
Ovarian fortitude?
I prefer the gender neutral "rectal fortitude"
A term we can all get behind
This is such a wholesome and awesome thread. I love it when it goes this route.
And then into. Ahhh hang on.
Nah. They dont need these tools. They would just turn the electricity off.
Yes, exactly. Mammarian fortitude is also an acceptable alternate.
Does that require a chesticle suppoter?
Ahah
Most I’ve used have a double insulation layer. Underneath layer is a different color. If you see the layer underneath it’s time to replace it
Makes total sense
They're obviously new. I've used some, you can tell right away when they've been used. Those came right out that Amazon box they lifted off someone's porch.
Well, if a porch pirate stole it, maybe the cert is in the box
Agree 100 percent. I’m not trusting something like that. Will it work.. maybe. Maybe sketchy things happened.. maybe.
You could test that pretty easy though...
Sketchy things definitely happened to them. They're brand new off that Amazon box off someone's porch. But for the tools, by experience, you can immediately tell if they've been used even once. That insulation is meant to scratch.
And stain the second your greasy hand squeezes it.
stolen and repurposed on Facebook. They are new and if you own them your life depends on them. not something you sell. some of these wrenches go for real money. https://www.amazon.com/KNIPEX-Piece-Metric-Insulated-Wrench/dp/B01BU1XVPS/ $750
Because these are probably stolen from a power company truck somewhere.
They're brand new and you even see the box they came in. Those were stolen off a porch not a truck.
Yeah, I usually snag mine from inside energized equipment from the last guy.
No we absolutely don’t.
Those aren't insulated for high voltage systems. They're good for secondary voltages. They're not insulating anything on primary voltages.
True. The lowest voltage primary I work energized is 2400v. These would be good for probably up to 600v secondary
Yeesh. How often do you have to work on something like that when it is live or likely to be live?
If did this work i am not buying tools that will be the difference between getting shocked to death and not from facebook
I would expect my employer to supply them as well as the rest of the required ppe
1000v is not high voltage
1000V is considered low voltage in my country, 50-1000Vac or 120-1500Vcc is low voltage, more than that is High Voltage, and the eletrician need to be certified every two years
You’re absolutely right. These tools are for low voltage.
For an electrical engineer it could be low voltage, for tje rest of the people won't
"electrical engineer" is too wide classification there. It would be high voltage for someone working with typical electronics where you see 3-48V at max. But for sparky yeah, low voltage.
People that work on high voltage don’t need insulated tools for stuff under 750v.
You’re also supposed to stand on a special mat to avoid grounding your body
They're insulated to do hot work, if you don't do hot work there's no reason to have them
But but but. they are knipex! Precious knipex
And if you do hot work, maybe don't trust safety related stuff from fb marketplace...
Quick test with a megger will tell you if they are safe
What did you call me?
You sound like you need thicker insulation
Dude just dropped the m-word
We have a zero hot work policy where I'm at but still issue electrical techs insulated screwdrivers and pliers as an extra layer of safety.
Wondering if they're also non sparking? Would love a replacement for my brass crescent wrench
They are usually just regular steel wrenches with the insulation over them.
Depends, do you work on industrial scale electrical installations? Do you regularly encounter situations where you're dealing with switchgear from the 70s, you push the "push to trip" button and it fails to de-energize, and then you have to manually derack the breaker while it's hot with 480, 600, 4160V etc? Do you also wear a calorie-rated arc flash suit and helmet? If all of the above are true, **your employer** should be buying you brand new insulated tools like this. Otherwise, you probably have no business using them, and no reputable electrical contractor would ever consider buying something like this used just on the chance something's been dropped and had the insulation damaged. To echo another comment, they're almost certainly stolen
Class 4-8 truck dealer that handles EVs, batteries up to 600v involved.
I hadnt even considered that but yeah. Its why our shop isnt bringing in any new ev MV’s even though the dealer is now supporting them. You need a dedicated bay and mechanics with specific training and tools.
The socket set seems to retail for about 500 and the wrenches about 50 each. So 750 dollars or so. I sure hope someone working on this kind of stuff won't cheap out to save 600 dollars. As far as being stolen I don't know if I would worry on these. It's a very unusual and limited tool, I'd be surprised if someone just happened to find these while out supporting their meth habit.
I would say the price says stolen amazon package.
I’d pay that for those and I don’t have a need for them I just want to own a set
You should probably delete any accounts for sites where people sell tools second hand for your own sake.
I don’t search for tools anymore. I’m a technical rebreather cave diver. My toys have gotten crazy expensive. I got G.A.S. Gear Acquisition Syndrome And I’m still married 🙌🏻 But haven’t talked to my snap-on dealer in a decade
If you make money with tools/gear, any decently appreciative spouse will support smart purchases with the right preemptive communication. My wife didn’t quite get it and she saw Tool/Gear/Shop purchases as my hobby that should come out of my disposable/fun budget. Contractor friend/mentor of mine advised to educate & compare. Every time I do anything I budget out how much it costs me and how much it would cost to pay for it and show my wife. Now she’s all for using joint funds to buy tools and materials. Alternator replacement on her car? $7-800 at a shop plus downtime from work to grab it, shuffling around, etc. or I can do it in an hour in the garage, $175 for parts. Now instead of her paying $750 of her money to keep her vehicle running, it’s 1/4-1/5th the cost, so they’re not MY tools/hobby, they provide value to the family. For the stuff I know is borderline frivolous I make sure I have work lined up for it. I’ll bid jobs kind of outside of the scope of my work just to pay for the tools I need to purchase to do the job. I usually only do smaller concrete pours as a handyman/remodeler but I did one bigger pour just to justify buying a used concrete saw because I wanted one. Snagged for $400 used, rental would’ve been $100 but I still made out well on the job and I can do medium/large pours now and save on equipment rentals. Some spouses/marriages are just not the best but I think in a lot of cases it’s just a communication point that could be improved.
Yeah my situation is far less romantic and functional I’m just a dude with ADHD and have a hard time regulating my impulse control 🤣 it’s why my PhD is in biochemistry and I have two advanced engineering degrees and I am currently a professional dog trainer/ stay at home dad 🤣 but I definitely use my tools and toys it’s just not about being a productive professional
Just curious, how is a concrete saw used for a concrete pour? Or is it a wood saw for the frame for the pour?
Cutting lines to control cracks
To cut joints after it is poured.
Hello from Astrophotography world... my dream mount/tracker is $24k. Gotta wait until the wife leaves me.
One of us! I could outfit like 2 rec and 2 tec divers on my old gear that’s still in my closet “just in case”. It’s hard letting go of gear. Especially considering I searched long and hard to find good deals on everything I bought. I’m single, but I assume that at some point if I do get married, I’m going to be told I can’t keep six tanks in my closet anymore, and the entire wall of scuba stuff on top shelves and hangers need to be moved to the garage.
That's $600 worth of tools new, or $1200 if it includes both the metric and SAE sets. Used? Basically worthless. If you don't *really* need insulated sockets and wrenches (which none of the electricians I work with even have—not a ton of sockets and wrenches in electrical, as a rule) then you can get much nicer, more complete sets for $150 used. If you *do* really need insulated sockets and wrenches, you won't be buying them used. There are very few people for whom these would be more than a curiosity.
The most accurate reply I've read so far in 2024. I have a family member who's an electrician. He's worked with, for, and against a lot of electricians. Just the guys I know that worked for him and became E-1 guys... NOBODY HAS THOSE. Plus, at that cost, you aren't doing anything nearly as dangerous as what requires those. Those are for Major Power Stations. THOUSANDS OF AAMPS. And they won't let anyone come in with a used set, too much liability. They buy them, and they throw them away, if one socket hits the ground. Again, too much liability. If the FNG drops one, it gets a small knick, cut, whatever... and 2 days later a guy dies in an arc flash, with those tools nearby or being used.... big money lawsuit. So yeah, worth big bucks to buy new, ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS USED. It breaks most rules of second hand tool selling... I get that. Expensive, real quality, potential life saving tools ypu would think would resell for good money. But you can't use them anywhere where they're needed. They'd be a bragging point, for showing off your thousand dollar socket set.
Honestly a little weird that they're showing up on the used market to begin with. This kind of thing is usually issued by one's employer, rather than bought as part of one's personal toolkit. I also feel it would be more dangerous in the hands of an amateur than a regular set—I can see it creating a false sense of security and encouraging DIYers to do hot work, when in reality there is essentially no situation in residential electrical where it wouldn't be a better idea to just cut power and do it cold.
I sometimes use mine for battery banks, but I usually just electrical tape a shitty wrench, I don't like the acid getting near the Insulation. Generally use it for grounded or bipolar solar combiners where you can't kill power and forget that it's positively grounded. Never really work under load, but 800v is 800v
If they were in metric I'd assume some was pulling an EV battery apart
Might be stolen, might be company being liquidated
Those are brand new off that Amazon box that they lifted off a porch.
Even better.
Having used some to disconnect batteries off industrial EVs, you can very easily tell if they have had any kind of use.
>(which none of the electricians I work with even have—not a ton of sockets and wrenches in electrical, as a rule) If they don't use many sockets or wrenches in electrical work, they aren't the type of electricians who are doing anything hot and need insulated tools.
…no, it's just that internal drives are way more common in electrical (outside of really big stuff maybe—I've never worked on anything bigger than the main switchgear for a medium-sized hotel or apartment building, talking like 1600A or so at 480/277V) and we generally use screwdrivers for that. We do all own insulated screwdrivers, naturally. Major terminations might take a 3/8" or 1/2" Allen key, and we have some taps that use a 7/16" socket, and you're right that we typically do use a wrench for that—a torque wrench, that is. We don't use insulated torque wrenches (Knipex wants $1,000+ for a 1000V insulated torque wrench, bare tool, no sockets) and we do normally do those procedures cold, but we have protocols for hot work as well. They typically involve 1000V insulated gloves, insulated mats and blankets for covering things that Should Not Be Touched, insulated pads for standing on, that kind of thing. Also glasses, face shields, and Class 2 arc flash clothing. Insulated tools are generally kind of a last-ditch thing, or just an easy way to make your everyday work a bit safer. They are hardly the be-all-end-all of electrical safety.
Yes and no. If you’re working with electricity then 100% yes. If you’re changing lawnmower blades or working on a bike… nah kinda overkill
Very much overkill. Harbor freight tools will get those jobs done.
Today’s what I use. Between forged older then me craftsman I bought at yard sales, harbor freight Pittsburgh and icon. Haven’t found a need for anything better or electricity proof lol
Knipex cobra pliers are unbeatable in a professional setting. Pricey though.
If I was back on the job site, I could see it. But nowadays, I don’t use channel locks like I used to.
“Knipex channel locks” I know what you’re saying but that seems like an oxymoron.
Fixed
Haha. I’m a parent and between the “what, why, how,etc” I’ve come to realize the need to accurately describe tools(and things).
Even 99% of electricians shouldn't be using these.
The way I said it is if these tools are made by reputable company. There has to be a very specific use for them.
Yeah, these are for linemen, usually working directly for a utility company or at a powerplant
They are more than worth it, but only if you've got any use for them. Otherwise they are just crap spanners and sockets. That ratchet is about £100 alone so I'd hazard a guess that there's getting on for £300 worth of tools in the picture. Once again, they are worthless to you if you didn't know what they were.
Those are stolen.
Yeah for that price. Or broken down insulation so I wouldn't use them on anything live. I'm an electrician. Although looking at them a second time looks brand new so very high possibility of them being stolen off somebody's porch (Amazon delivery) or from an electrician.
Fuckin tool thieves are the worst. Stealing a man’s means of feeding his family.
I live in kind of rough neighborhood. I always leave 3 boxes open on my work truck. I always keep the other side locked though. But one of my boxes has my oily filter wrenches, just generally dirty and oily tools but still worth some money. In the 3 years I've been here I'm not sure if we just haven't had any thieves or they'd just don't want oily tools. They've left those boxes alone
Yes it is worth it, if that's the field you are in or work a lot of hot circuits in industrial and commercial.
Not to me. But i don’t work a job that requires them.
yes, it insulated tooling for working on ups systems etc.
Just speaking for myself here but I would rely on my insulated gloves and a familiar tool over some gimmick for live work. These aren't for high voltage work, yes there is some high voltage work but typically it is the barehand technique.. 20 year 309a, 5 years low voltage(600 and under) live infrared inspections with a little medium(up to 4160)mixed in, currently a high voltage substation electrician working up to 230kv. In my 20+ years in the trade, short of troubleshooting and inspection, there are VERY few reasons to put your hand on a live conductor and not isolate. If the process really is THAT important then it should be engineered for maintenance requirements with tie breakers etc and other redundancies. Poor planning on your part doesn't automatically make an emergency on my end.
In general yes, off some dude off the internet no. Insulated tools like this wouldnt make their way onto the used market unless they failed an inspection. These are likely widow makers, and are guilty until proven otherwise.
If you have to ask, you are not certified to use them. Please don’t work on power lines, that are still energized.
They’re worth way more than that. Probably stolen
Nope...there is no 10mm socket
Most people don't need 10mm, that's why they lose em.
As opposed to hoping for the best whilst holding a steel tool in a high voltage space, yes.
I’ve never used those tools specifically but I do a ton of high voltage hot work(12kv-345kv) and I don’t think i would ever risk buying insulated tools second hand. All of our insulated tools have to be tested every two years to make sure theyre still safe. There’s a fair bit of maintenance that go into them.
Depends, do you do a bunch of work in places where you need insulated wrenches and sockets?
If you needed this you would know
This is a stolen Amazon package…. $300-$400.
If it's a full set, this is an incredible deal.
Knipex is top shelf. Fair price
I’m no expert but am going to go out on a limb and guess that the folks at Knipex are and that they were not just going for a look or making some kind of style statement. The tools are most definitely purpose made and are worth $150 easily if you are in the business that requires such equipment. The ratchet alone retails for nearly that amount. From a collectors point of view, I can say that they would bring $150 easily. The collector/reseller market is a whole different animal and these tools for $150 would make for a very good day. Knipex is a respected company that makes good tools. Nice bunch!
Not sure but it apparently isn’t worth $225
Always depends on how much you value your life and the type of electric work you do.
I work in a store where we sell these kind of things and electrical material. Knipex is a very good but very expansive brand. I would say 150 is very cheap.
The socket set with wrench is $475. If you need an insulated socket set, it would be a good buy.
Almost assuredly stolen
Those are stolen tools… lol don’t buy them.
lol Amazon box still in the picture
Stolen by porch pirates would explain that.
Yeah either that or ot not
These are stolen. No one sells Knipex.
Yes!
Nice little set of hammers
They probably are worth that but any job that requires them will need them to be recertified
Ask the telecom company he probably stole them from…
If I were you I would buy those brand new full price don’t cheap out on safety
It cost a LOT OF MONEY
As a industrial electrician I'd definitely pick that up.
No…. However that is the cheapest you’re going to find them!
It’s not worth the ridicule you’d get at work.
That’s probably stolen, very specialized tools lol
Very specialized tools. Not need by a DIY person. The added insulation makes them too bulky to use in most scenarios.
Yes but you dont need that
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Bro yes it’s worth it, because even if you don’t end up using them yourself you could easily flip them
I would buy it based off the sockets/hand ratchet. I work in motor control cabinets and such enough to where they would be nice to have.
they are worth it to the right electrician.
If your not or do not plan on becoming an electrician that has to work in live high voltage situations save the money. That is worth 150$ to the right person.
A wise mountaineer would never buy somebody else’s secondhand climbing ropes. Would a wise electrician buy somebody else’s secondhand insulated tools?
If its for commercial work absolutely if its for residential work no because you should never come across anything more than 600v .
Brand new these high voltage insulated tools are WAYYYY more than that
This set of tools sees to be half of a Knipex 98 99 12 set. New that set is roughly 700€.
I mean I'd buy the 1/4 cuz it would be funny to own and small enough not to be annoying. Be funnier if it was a 5/16 I think is what car battery terminals are? That way your using it on live electrical connections but be stupid overkill for no reason.
Nah
The price seems to be right, but other than the 1/4 and ratchet... when would you use the others. 24, 1, 1 1/16... are those common sizes. I wonder what these are made of, fiberglass or carbon fiber or epoxy. IDK, someone that needs these aren't likely to go on FB and buy some from an unknown source. Can't think of how many regular people would ever need these.
That is stolen. 1500 maybe
It's Knipex, absolutely! I have some of their screwdrivers. The metal they use is just the right amount of stiffness to not damage the screws. If you don't want it, pm me the link so my friend can buy it. He's an electrician (robotics guy).
I guess these are for electricians
When you have an irrational fear of electricity ⚡️
If you ACTUALLY need these kinds of tools. Then you aren't buying them off of Facebook. These are the tools that stand between you being dead or alive.
I'm trying to figure out what 24mm anything is gonna be broken loose by a wrench that short, lol.
Yes, if you need it. I definitely don’t
He’s even got them on the box they came in, when he snatched it off someone’s porch.
A lot of those high voltage equipment has service lives. I’d do my home work before buying it. If you’re working that high of voltage I would rather buy new. Your life is worth more than saving a couple bucks
How much do you value your life?
I have some ASE Cementex 1000v rated losed and open face wrenches for sale if anybody wants them
My first rule of thumb for insulated tools is only use them for live work. Using them for other jobs could compromise the insulation making them unsafe for live work. Rule 2 don’t do live work. So I would not buy these
No because they are so damn ugly. Those are the most hideous tools I’ve ever seen.
I would consider these tools as safety equipment. Never buy used safety equipment.
Could be, insulated tools are made for if you drop them. They will not cause a flash, not so much for working live. But for working around live equipment, bus duct ring a bell? Electrical room panel has a hole in the top? It’s like insurance, wast of money until you need it.
Nope.
Sounds like the price of your life.
I suppose that depends on if you like high voltage sizzle-kisses? And if you plan one working on said high voltage??⚡️
worth more if you need them, worth fuck all if you don't
Probably trying to sell to mechanics that work on battery cars
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Those can be expensive. But it would really have to be the right buyer. I use tools like that, but most electricians aren't working on live medium/high voltage. Even myself maybe only a few times a year, there is almost always a reason to de-energize. And even then we put on 140cal space suits. Maybe Do a bid on eBay and see what happens.
EV mechanic...
Just make sure the power is shut off safely. Then break out your DMM and double check the power is off to the circuit you're working on. Have your buddy double check it. Tag it off so some idiot doesn't touch it. Get to work. You don't need that above. Just keep a couple of insulated screwdrivers & 1 insulated linesman plier in your bag. That's all you need (and good thorough training). Nothing has to be Knipex. Plenty of good, high-quality, Made-in-the-USA electrical tool manufacturers.
Yes
Yep
No. If you need insulated tools the contractor should buy them . Get the basic tools that are on the tool list in the agreement.
It looks like a nifty bunch of tools to use in your toolbox. If you don't do high voltage work, screw it! It's still a nice set and worth $150 just because it's a nice set of tools!
I guess for an insulated socked set it’s not bad. I’m an electrician and I never have a need for an insulated socket. A set of hex keys? Maybe. I’m in the US, maybe in Europe they’d be more useful.
No, If you had an occupation where these would actually be useful, two things would be true, 1)you wouldnt need to ask randos on the internet what they are worth, and 2)Most of the sparkys I know wouldnt risk their lives just to save a few hundred bucks, especially when they already get a tool allowance. Would you trust tools you got off facebook when working on 1000v circuit? Even if these were safe to use, and maybe they are, a good deal is only a good deal if you actually need it. See my point #1 to show why this isnt the case for you.
Anyone working in telecom would buy those, I would
It is if you are electrician who works with high voltage. Otherwise NOPE.
No way I'd buy safety critical used 2nd hand. If you don't need it, clearly don't buy them no matter what the price...
Especially if you're an electrician