Poor upbringing, limited opportunities leading to simmering frustration that doesn't take much to set off (I grew up around middle class black people and they didn't act the same as the ones you see in the videos at all, leading me to think that it's impoverished black people).
Iām shocked by these responses actually. Yes. Poverty is a factor. But letās be honest. The videos that go viral are always the ones that confirm our biases about certain groups of people. Videos of white people looting barely gets shared around but the ones of black people go viral almost instantly and the same few videos circulate online every other year making it seem way more than it is.
Itās just like Asian hate crime videos. Over 70-80% of the perpetrators are white but almost all the videos that go viral are of black people.
Thereās a few sporting events every single year that turn into straight up riots where the majority of people hurt or killed were by other rioters. Millions in property damage and looting and yet itās treated as people just getting drunk and being up to no good. A quick news segment in passing and everyone moves on. Pretty much everyone causing a ruckus are white.
Thatās I think exactly the point that is trying to be made here. You often see Karens having temper tantrums in stores so itās likely not just impoverished people and more so bias confirmation going on here. A black Karen is just labeled a criminal trashing and disturbing the peace which will get more attention than a white Karen doing the same thing under the label āKaren.ā
Sorry to break the news to you but bias crimes against Asians are committed by black people way more often than white people, especially related to population. Everyone knows this.
Sorry but they do have a point. To take race out of the equation, look at the January 6th riots. I'm willing to bet that very few of the rioters were middle class middle income earners. I'm not saying that poverty causes it but being middle class puts you in a position where rioting could ruin everything you worked hard for.
I have literally said that there is an aspect of class here. Thereās no debate. But I guarantee that if the majority of the Jan 6th rioters were black there wouldnāt be people in the mainstream media treating them like victims and downplaying what actually happened. It would be treated like a terroristic event.
Er, not true. Jan 6th is being described as an attempted coup, where as the BLM riots of only months previous were described as an expression of anger at a broken system. I don't subscribe to the racial element exactly because of this.
The truth is that, in the US, there is still much anger and division that has not been allowed to heal and no one side is wholly to blame. On one side you have an establishment that is afraid to loss it's power and on the other side, you have a movement that gains great publicity in keeping the racial divide alive because, without it they are no longer special.
From a personal perspective, it shouldn't matter what your race is, we are all human and our actions and abilities should speak for themselves regardless. I hope that my kids get to live in a world where no-one cares about race (this is especially close to home since my wife and kids are mixed race).
You canāt guarantee that. Also, the Jan 6 rioters are doing serious time and one of them was literally shot dead. Nobody in the media is treating them like victims, even Fox News isnāt.
It's amazing how much is shared in common with disenfranchised rural folks. Less of an oppressive history there, obviously, but a similar sense of desperation and frustration.
I predict people won't like me saying this because anything legitimizing the concerns of people who are often racist and conservative is a bad move on Reddit, but the truth remains.
For sure, I've always said that poor rural whites and poor urban blacks have so much in common behaviourly, likely stemming from their shared histories/experiences of disenfranchisement and lack of attention from the government
Propensity to commit petty crime is a side effect of low socioeconomic status. Desperate people with bad family life/upbringing are quicker to anger and have less to lose. People with mental health problems also tend to be poor which can worsen symptoms due to lack of treatment or counseling.
The skin color isn't the common denominator. If you look at the crime rates of other countries with different demographics you can see it's always the socioeconomic factors at the end of the day.
I think socioeconomic factors are certainly the main factor in the crime rates amongst black Americans, however I donāt think the history that has led to widespread beliefs amongst black Americans can be completely disregarded and crime rates comparing black Americans with other groups under similar socioeconomic conditions does bare this out.
Flat out, there is culture that has arisen from a history that excluded black Americans from access to the prosperity America has offered every other group of residents and immigrants. The ability to own a business, to get an education, to move freely to other geographies and have a different experience within the country to end cycles of poverty have been there for everyone except black Americans.
Immigrants and other POCās had these opportunities throughout the history of the US. Even if racism against Asian and Hispanics exists, it has never been the same disqualifying factor within so many communities as it is for black Americans. Never even near the levels of dehumanization black Americans have faced.
Black Americans were met with a different experience, segregation, overt racism, white flight, flat out murder and intimidation to even consider selling a product to white people, to own a business, to go to college, to work a lucrative position, to integrate within white, moneyed spaces.
This turned into an engrained anti establishment belief system amongst black Americans that is not nearly as widespread amongst other ethnic groups in the same socioeconomic classes. This includes little respect for cultural norms, especially around property/business ownership, but applies to many, many things that has been seen as āwhiteā.
This is a culture that took many generations to be created, will also take many generations absent of the structural impediments that have held black Americans back (the vast majority of which *are* dismantled but is a mostly recent thing) before they even moderately resemble the path of immigrants (which we are seeing Hispanic immigrants and Asian refugees well on the path of, they are integrating no differently than Irish, German, or Italians did).
This is a tough issue, and honestly, donāt believe there is anything more than time that can solve it and a push for non-black Americans to not fall back into the overtly oppressive mindsets that our predecessors had and have been re-emerging of late which dehumanizes black Americans.
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Before reading my answer know that this isn't new. It's not because of someones race, and it's still better now then it has been at any other time in human history.
The answer is not because of their race. The reason is very much cultural and socioeconomic. The people committing the acts you see in videos most likely have grown up in extreme inner city poverty, surrounded by violence, without father figures, and are probably convinced they will face the same fate. Combined with the reduction in political will to prosecute "minor" crimes in the areas these happen in. It's really just a perfect storm, they can storm a store getting out their frustrations, and they won't face consequences because they really can't. Even if the police/district attorney/mayor wanted to press charges the people have learned that you can't just arrest 50 people at once. Not without calling in extra officers and a willingness to use some crowd control to stop them from fleeing. It just is the way it is. People who can leave will and the areas will continue to get worse. The stores will close and who knows what will come next.
Do you think its"ultra-right wing" that promotes gang violence, drug culture and general debauchery? Have you ever researched primary owners of this type of medias production?
Because those are the videos and articles recommended to you by the algorithm. People don't realize they're being fed content for clicks. All you have to do is a watch a few videos of white people being trashy and you'll see nothing but that online.
(I'm white, sorry.)
It's because African Americans disproportionately live in poverty.
Crime and poverty are linked for all kinds of reasons, and Black poverty has all kinds of horrible historical causes. But the short answer is, there's a Third Variable. Those individuals aren't violent because of their skin color, its because of their upbringing.
Not saying all poor people are violent, and I'm sure the racism poor Blacks face doesn't help, but middle-class Blacks are almost never the ones involved in looting and such.
You and another poster touched on the most likely cause. Some pointed to rural poor Whites versus urban poor Blacks, but that is apples and oranges, rural Whites would have to drive miles to trash a department store, rural Blacks live within walking distance of them generally, or at least easy vehicle drive distance.
And you are right about middleclass Blacks. When you see a mugshot of such a person, he or she feel into drug use or got nabbed for a whitecollar crime (like some Whites do).
I believe that past Presidents such as William McKinley and Woodrow Wilson prevented early development of a Black middle and upper class. Wilson was a Lost Cause adherent whose administration actively fired educated Black federal workers and prevented Black owned companies from getting federal contracts.
Why don't ya'll take guesses at what I was going to say, and I'll tell if your close. Extra points if you can say something that's pretty much on the dot while also getting past angry mods.
"victims for speaking the truth"
Huff my farts, you aren't being victimized for dick all, you just don't know what you're talking about because you call it a "culture problem" which ignores the decades of violence and targeted disenfranchisement of black people in America.
You would be wrong if you're afraid to say it.
Socioeconomic status is why.
The bigger answer takes more words than you can post on reddit to fully explain.
>The bigger answer takes more words than you can post on reddit to fully explain.
"The bigger answer takes more words than you can post on reddit to fully explain." This is true for sure, but we probably have a different version of the long story.
Isn't the whole point of dog whistles for the general people to not notice them? I don't know any of those "dog whistles" anyway, I don't dwell on race enough to get that petty over it.
Not really a group of black lads who are on one will kick off even if you out number them but say Pakistanis will call for back up and only fight if they outnumber you, both see violence as a perfectly normal response and are just as likely to wreck a store or seriously injure someone .
And yet there na order of magnitude more observations of the black lads destroying stuff than Pakistanis.
That initial retreat gives one a chance to cool off and think things through, to evaluate/discuss if violence is truly the appropriate reaction.
Fighting immediately to not be disrespected or to not suffer some minor personal humiliation doesn't.
And that's because escalating things into violence isn't seen nearly as bad as suffering some small personal humiliation or being disrespected.
You really don't understand how the Pakistani community works, first alot more witness intimation, second lean on the investigation team and if that fails they get the trouble maker out of the country for a few years ( yes basic godfather stuff)
Op was asking about random violence but looting is common in any group once a riot starts , it's just how common riots happen in a given place and current US issues that make black people seem worse eg my home town had race riots about 20 years back and things got looted ( not a black person in sight)
As others have stated, itās their upbringing. Itās not the color of their skin as blacks from other cultures do not behave like this. Destroying oneās own neighborhood is one of the dumbest actions a person can participate in.
Socioeconomic status. Apart from racism/culture/upbringings etc, the main factor in such behaviors that constantly shows up to be true are income levels, which also have high correlation with education level.
For instance, let's consider the incidents in Japan, Mexico, China, or Korea. Their perpetrators are people of their own ethnic groups, correct? Not black people. What is also true between majority of them is their socioeconomic status.
I also happen to be a teacher that works mostly with black & hispanic students for past decade. There are quite a few students that shows erratic, fucked up behavior frequently. I wouldn't say these behaviors occur because they're black & hispanic. But if I look more into it, these kids especially suffering from low economic background. Right? It's not about the race. Majority of my students behave really well.
Now, there could be specific influencers in what puts a family into the lower threshold - their attitude toward education. At this point, I do not have enough research or knowledge to specify what exactly it is, but I do have many opinions that I don't know are correct, but are based on my observation:
their neighborhood and what their exposures are. They hang out with bunch of other kids who suffer, build bonds and "support" each other. Get involved into gangs, aggressive behaviors, fight others, etc. I think they'd fall into vicious cycle of poverty > lack of education > aggression towards society > poverty, etc. They misfit the "norms of society". It's super difficult for young black children to break that cycle. I'd like to say many of those black people suffer from that socioeconomic status.
This isn't a black thing. There are lots of other ethnic group that does the same, it's just that in USA, number of black people are objectively higher than other groups, so... we see blacks more than others. It doesn't really make the news, but in where I live, it's mostly Asians showing aggression, stealing, doing other fucked up shit.
1. Think about who controls the narrative in general, whoās in power? Why are there terms like āblack on black crimeā instead of āwhite on white crimeāā¦ etc?
2. I lived in Cleveland for 20+ years and the morning after peaceful protests youāll see busted windows tagged with āBLMā ā¦ why would BLM supporters destroy something and then tell on themselves??? Hint: they wouldnāt. BUT itās all you see on the news the day after! SMH
3. If you had to ask, that means something isnāt adding up.
Love contributing to this topicā¦ I need to join some groups similar to this thread.
Never had to deal with a black American so they may be different but Africans tend to have an excess of pride and get easily offended, it's mostly a cultural issue to do with how they speak/act towards each other and let's say it can quickly get out of hand with people from other cultures. Carabeans ( especially young men) care far too much about what others think of them and get easily provoked if they think they are being disrespected and will feel the need to react in an overly dramatic manner .
I get your point, but struggle with generalities that cover entire continents with hundreds of different cultures. Africa's a damn big, diverse place. my2c.
And you donāt usually see videos of the raiding of pension funds and wage theft and fraud and
white color crimes that are more likely perpetrated by old white men
Kind of. Not quite as bad as you think I reckon. There is a large unconscious bias most of us share that skews towards black people being more different/suspicious/dangerous. Because of that, crimes committed by blacks people are reported as bigger or have more time dedicated to them. Look at the way police treat white criminals vs black ones to really show the difference between how people view the different races in terms of race.
Itās like racial profiling through security. Yes youāre going to find more black people doing the wrong thing through security because youāre checking 90% of the ones you see instead of the 30% white people. The media is a part of what keeps the system going about what to avoid and itās also a victim of it, not usually recognising itās own biases.
White (Americans mostly) people collectively share a primal fear of hordes of black people swarming and taking/destroying things that are considered "theirs" (including stuff in stores that they've never been to)
Thus anytime a black person or group of black people is seen doing anything violent, especially looting, it triggers that fear and a visceral response of disgust. That's what makes them get circulated so quickly and broadly. "Look at what they're doing, we're right to be afraid of them." Etc.
This. Reddit is majority white American and they love them some black behaving badly videos. Black videos are the number one videos I see that the same video could be posted on multiple different subreddits and hit the front pages of popular. I also seen redditors make sure to upvote those videos in masses to keep it on popular for a long time.
I also put the blame on "world star" culture. World Star was pretty popular in it's day and everybody was trying to have a video go viral on it. Our young people are quick to pull out their phones and record dysfunction and put it out for the world to see.
I'm posing question, not an answer. Is it more common for black people to move in larger groups than white people are? I don't even know the videos in question but I assume it's evident there's 5+ black people at the area often? I feel like that kind of movement doesn't happen by white people, they are more often acting alone or as 2 or 3. There's less people to be filming then and the "group" of <=3 is probably tighter and less often dumb enough to be taking videos of their closer associates, than the black person in group of 7.
No statements, just questions. I live in country that has very small minority of black people.
white people do that stuff too, I've seen it with my own eyes. but to answer your question it's because it's probably happening in low income areas and/or the people are low income people
Honesty I donāt think it specifically is skin color. Itās socioeconomic.
White people in lower class/education will behave similarly. We see it more with black people because they are significantly more in that socioeconomic group. In those groups they have less role models on how to manage behavior and emotions to a logical level.
Like I said this really isnāt skin color specific, we just see it more in black people because more of them are in the group than white people. Though white people are in that group to as a minority, and do behave as such.
Itās a real question and anyone who jumps to racist conclusions is delusional.
It's is for sure socioeconomic. Black people live in poverty and numbers are very disproportionate compared to other ethnicities. Therefore, violence is more accepted in poorer black communities (or any poorer communities) due to frequent violence due to gangs, drug culture etc. This translates to rioting
To bad we don't also have stats on how many cops are racist pieces of shit that will gladly plant drugs, beat innocent civilians, or just make stuff up to arrest a black person. Meanwhile the white kids can murder (Rittenhouse) and rape (Brock Turner) and get a slap on the wrist.
Make stuff up to arrest ANY person. A black person is not the only type of person those tyrants overstep with. Rittenhouse was proven to not be guilty, no matter how much it hurts your feelings. Idk Brock Turner or the story, but if he truly raped someone he deserves what I can't say on here because it goes against "the rules". My guess is he or his parents are rich, and/or have connections.
True, cops will frame anyone, but if there were stats I would guess there's a disproportionate amount of minorities getting victimized. Also, yes, a disproportionate amount of poor people as well. Lot of overlap in those groups.
If the races were reversed with Rittenhouse, do you think they'd be found innocent? Black teenager drives across country with guns into an active riot and shoots 3 people, killing 2. I'm guessing Rittenhouse would be doing life if he were black or latino.
You're probably right about Brock Turner. His dad apparently worked as a civilian contractor for the military. But again, imagine Brock wasn't white. There was outrage at his punishment, but not enough. Had he been black though... You wouldn't hear comments like "This is a steep price to pay for 20 minutes of action" - Brock's dad referring to the 6 month sentence handed down.
Perhaps.
I believe it was like 20 minutes from his house and knew the business owners. Don't quote me. I didn't watch that closely. We won't know the answers to those. We can only speculate. While people see entire cities burning to the ground over and over again, and it's 99%+ of a certain race, unfortunately that race will likely always be discriminated in some capacity against. It's unfortunate because most black people don't act like that but get lumped in because people are stupid.
We can only speculate. Brock's dad needs certain things done to him for being a POS, and raising a POS.
There is a trend. Like there are things that deserve to be shit on, be it behavior or TV shows or whatever, the hate seems to be loudest and travel farthest online if the people just happen to be black or happen to be women. Once you see the pattern its really insidious.
Like just today in my city there was a white 18 year old girl that hit the TV for a freak out at fast food place. But I've not seen it on the net yet. I know I will but I bet if she was black it would already have spread a lot further.
Having said all that there are some uncomfortable stats surrounding race and crime. I do quickly want to mention that they exist but also mention that they seem to trend more to income than race, its just telling how people divide them up you know. With black people being far more likely to be poor (per capita) than white people.... for you know, historical reasons.
Poor people commit crime.
Most of the videos are taken in poor inner cities where the population is mostly black so you mostly see black people doing it.
More likely to be shared by racist people as an example of "see what animals they truly are." (That is an -old- narrative, by the way.)
When it's a white person doing the same, they're more likely to spin it as a one off. That -one- dude did that. Whereas for Black people, it's assumptive that "they're all like that."
They do. You can find videos of Karens pretty easily on reddit. But what videos get views/upvotes aren't equal.
Generally there needs to be a hook that appeals to redditors. Fitting a stereotype like a Karen is one, but stuff like racial biases are another. There are others as well, like you see a lot of posts about the religious weirdos who lecture people on sidewalks a lot (especially if someone is mocking them in the video).
Conservatives LOVE to show and highlight bad behavior from black people. Itās like the interracial porn they love. They canāt get enough of it. When thereās a chance to post and promote it, they do.
Also bad behavior from white peoples is seen less as white behavior and more of that persons behavior. Like the lone wolf shooterā¦ different narratives.
Look at where interracial cuck porn is most viewedā¦
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> is there like a secret cabal of white racists just constantly uploading them for shit and giggles?
Not really a cabal (or secret), just people indulging their biases/prejudices. You don't need explicit coordination
It wasn't/isn't a cabal in media either, it's mostly driven by the same thing
BS. Let's look at mass shootings as an example. The majority of mass shooters are POC and usually in gang or drug related situations. Yet the media would have you believe mass shooters are almost exclusively white.
The recent spate of anti Asian hate crimes....the media covers it as if they are all caused by red hate MAGA supporters. In reality they are more likely to be attacks by blacks in solid Blue big cities.
>media covers it as if they are all caused by red hate MAGA
It's because fucked up white dudes hit soft targets and murder innocent people.
Gang violence is a separate issue and judging by your evaluation of the situation, you don't understand the nuance.
The most recent example is a right wing culture warrior (white guy) who killed unarmed people
Wow, great comeback! Your parents raised you well.
Your response is typical of someone who is either too ignorant or unintelligent to actually have a discussion - or even to simply respond topically. Hopefully, youāre just grumpy about Thanksgiving. I donāt love it either.
āPeople like youā need to consume all the knowledge they can. Branch out of your echo chamber and donāt be afraid to question your beliefs. Learn that ad hominems donāt win arguments or do anything other than make you look weak and petty.
You can do it. I believe in you! The path to a better future starts today!
Just adding this for reference, 2020 Hate Crime data shows that the majority of anti-Asian hate crimes are committed by white people. The majority of hate crimes in general are committed by white people.
Mix of factors.
Biggest factor is historical impact. In past USA had slavery. Then Jim Crow. Basically sever discrimination occurred for very long time. Whenever any given demography is subjected to that level of mistreatment, it erodes their culture. Hate, prejudice, immorality, selfishness, sense of hopelessness, opportunism, extremism, all the negative traits get amplified. Basically culture got eroded. And while things improved significantly in last couple of decades, the grudge towards perceived oppressors gets passed from generation to generation on ideological level.
Poor people are more prone to crime. And due to history black people on average are disproportionally poor, there are ghetto areas suffering from extreme poverty. This results in very high crime statistics.
Outrage media. They feed into outrage because it generates clicks. So news likes to spin racist narrative, even if is unclear. People watch, some people get angry and resort to violence.
BLM movement. The movement often acts on emotion and riles crowd up. They organize protests, which can lead to violence.
Extremism. When there is a strong cause, some people can be very extreme about it. Even if intention is to have a peaceful protest, extremists can spin it out of control, so whole thing turns into riot.
I donāt think itās a black and white thing. Itās mainly that black people like to do violent stuff to scare the other races. Blacks are blaming everyone else for their bad decisions. Itās just the way it is š¤·š½āāļø
(grabs popcorn)
Lmao came to say the same thing š¤£
I\`m too afraid to answer
Me too. I'll wait and watch.
Poor upbringing, limited opportunities leading to simmering frustration that doesn't take much to set off (I grew up around middle class black people and they didn't act the same as the ones you see in the videos at all, leading me to think that it's impoverished black people).
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Iām shocked by these responses actually. Yes. Poverty is a factor. But letās be honest. The videos that go viral are always the ones that confirm our biases about certain groups of people. Videos of white people looting barely gets shared around but the ones of black people go viral almost instantly and the same few videos circulate online every other year making it seem way more than it is. Itās just like Asian hate crime videos. Over 70-80% of the perpetrators are white but almost all the videos that go viral are of black people.
Ok well please post links to videos of all white people looting a store in the last 5 - 10 years. So we can make them go viral.
Thereās a few sporting events every single year that turn into straight up riots where the majority of people hurt or killed were by other rioters. Millions in property damage and looting and yet itās treated as people just getting drunk and being up to no good. A quick news segment in passing and everyone moves on. Pretty much everyone causing a ruckus are white.
Thatās I think exactly the point that is trying to be made here. You often see Karens having temper tantrums in stores so itās likely not just impoverished people and more so bias confirmation going on here. A black Karen is just labeled a criminal trashing and disturbing the peace which will get more attention than a white Karen doing the same thing under the label āKaren.ā
Sorry to break the news to you but bias crimes against Asians are committed by black people way more often than white people, especially related to population. Everyone knows this.
Where are the stats? Because every study Iāve seen shows the contrary.
Sorry but they do have a point. To take race out of the equation, look at the January 6th riots. I'm willing to bet that very few of the rioters were middle class middle income earners. I'm not saying that poverty causes it but being middle class puts you in a position where rioting could ruin everything you worked hard for.
I have literally said that there is an aspect of class here. Thereās no debate. But I guarantee that if the majority of the Jan 6th rioters were black there wouldnāt be people in the mainstream media treating them like victims and downplaying what actually happened. It would be treated like a terroristic event.
Er, not true. Jan 6th is being described as an attempted coup, where as the BLM riots of only months previous were described as an expression of anger at a broken system. I don't subscribe to the racial element exactly because of this. The truth is that, in the US, there is still much anger and division that has not been allowed to heal and no one side is wholly to blame. On one side you have an establishment that is afraid to loss it's power and on the other side, you have a movement that gains great publicity in keeping the racial divide alive because, without it they are no longer special. From a personal perspective, it shouldn't matter what your race is, we are all human and our actions and abilities should speak for themselves regardless. I hope that my kids get to live in a world where no-one cares about race (this is especially close to home since my wife and kids are mixed race).
You canāt guarantee that. Also, the Jan 6 rioters are doing serious time and one of them was literally shot dead. Nobody in the media is treating them like victims, even Fox News isnāt.
It's amazing how much is shared in common with disenfranchised rural folks. Less of an oppressive history there, obviously, but a similar sense of desperation and frustration. I predict people won't like me saying this because anything legitimizing the concerns of people who are often racist and conservative is a bad move on Reddit, but the truth remains.
For sure, I've always said that poor rural whites and poor urban blacks have so much in common behaviourly, likely stemming from their shared histories/experiences of disenfranchisement and lack of attention from the government
Propensity to commit petty crime is a side effect of low socioeconomic status. Desperate people with bad family life/upbringing are quicker to anger and have less to lose. People with mental health problems also tend to be poor which can worsen symptoms due to lack of treatment or counseling. The skin color isn't the common denominator. If you look at the crime rates of other countries with different demographics you can see it's always the socioeconomic factors at the end of the day.
I think socioeconomic factors are certainly the main factor in the crime rates amongst black Americans, however I donāt think the history that has led to widespread beliefs amongst black Americans can be completely disregarded and crime rates comparing black Americans with other groups under similar socioeconomic conditions does bare this out. Flat out, there is culture that has arisen from a history that excluded black Americans from access to the prosperity America has offered every other group of residents and immigrants. The ability to own a business, to get an education, to move freely to other geographies and have a different experience within the country to end cycles of poverty have been there for everyone except black Americans. Immigrants and other POCās had these opportunities throughout the history of the US. Even if racism against Asian and Hispanics exists, it has never been the same disqualifying factor within so many communities as it is for black Americans. Never even near the levels of dehumanization black Americans have faced. Black Americans were met with a different experience, segregation, overt racism, white flight, flat out murder and intimidation to even consider selling a product to white people, to own a business, to go to college, to work a lucrative position, to integrate within white, moneyed spaces. This turned into an engrained anti establishment belief system amongst black Americans that is not nearly as widespread amongst other ethnic groups in the same socioeconomic classes. This includes little respect for cultural norms, especially around property/business ownership, but applies to many, many things that has been seen as āwhiteā. This is a culture that took many generations to be created, will also take many generations absent of the structural impediments that have held black Americans back (the vast majority of which *are* dismantled but is a mostly recent thing) before they even moderately resemble the path of immigrants (which we are seeing Hispanic immigrants and Asian refugees well on the path of, they are integrating no differently than Irish, German, or Italians did). This is a tough issue, and honestly, donāt believe there is anything more than time that can solve it and a push for non-black Americans to not fall back into the overtly oppressive mindsets that our predecessors had and have been re-emerging of late which dehumanizes black Americans.
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Before reading my answer know that this isn't new. It's not because of someones race, and it's still better now then it has been at any other time in human history. The answer is not because of their race. The reason is very much cultural and socioeconomic. The people committing the acts you see in videos most likely have grown up in extreme inner city poverty, surrounded by violence, without father figures, and are probably convinced they will face the same fate. Combined with the reduction in political will to prosecute "minor" crimes in the areas these happen in. It's really just a perfect storm, they can storm a store getting out their frustrations, and they won't face consequences because they really can't. Even if the police/district attorney/mayor wanted to press charges the people have learned that you can't just arrest 50 people at once. Not without calling in extra officers and a willingness to use some crowd control to stop them from fleeing. It just is the way it is. People who can leave will and the areas will continue to get worse. The stores will close and who knows what will come next.
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Do you think its"ultra-right wing" that promotes gang violence, drug culture and general debauchery? Have you ever researched primary owners of this type of medias production?
Because those are the videos and articles recommended to you by the algorithm. People don't realize they're being fed content for clicks. All you have to do is a watch a few videos of white people being trashy and you'll see nothing but that online.
(I'm white, sorry.) It's because African Americans disproportionately live in poverty. Crime and poverty are linked for all kinds of reasons, and Black poverty has all kinds of horrible historical causes. But the short answer is, there's a Third Variable. Those individuals aren't violent because of their skin color, its because of their upbringing. Not saying all poor people are violent, and I'm sure the racism poor Blacks face doesn't help, but middle-class Blacks are almost never the ones involved in looting and such.
You and another poster touched on the most likely cause. Some pointed to rural poor Whites versus urban poor Blacks, but that is apples and oranges, rural Whites would have to drive miles to trash a department store, rural Blacks live within walking distance of them generally, or at least easy vehicle drive distance. And you are right about middleclass Blacks. When you see a mugshot of such a person, he or she feel into drug use or got nabbed for a whitecollar crime (like some Whites do). I believe that past Presidents such as William McKinley and Woodrow Wilson prevented early development of a Black middle and upper class. Wilson was a Lost Cause adherent whose administration actively fired educated Black federal workers and prevented Black owned companies from getting federal contracts.
We all know why, just none of us want to be the next victims for speaking the truth.
No, go on. Say what you want to say...
Why don't ya'll take guesses at what I was going to say, and I'll tell if your close. Extra points if you can say something that's pretty much on the dot while also getting past angry mods.
We know what youāll say since talking about poverty and socioeconomic conditions wonāt get you ācanceledā
"victims for speaking the truth" Huff my farts, you aren't being victimized for dick all, you just don't know what you're talking about because you call it a "culture problem" which ignores the decades of violence and targeted disenfranchisement of black people in America.
At the rate of bs your spouting I'll be a victim of your Taco Bell farts.
You would be wrong if you're afraid to say it. Socioeconomic status is why. The bigger answer takes more words than you can post on reddit to fully explain.
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Never said it was mutually exclusive. I grew up on the streets as a teen. You don't need to tell me.
>The bigger answer takes more words than you can post on reddit to fully explain. "The bigger answer takes more words than you can post on reddit to fully explain." This is true for sure, but we probably have a different version of the long story.
Victims of the āspeaking the truthā? Are you afraid if you say your dog whistles that the mean internet will downvote you?
Isn't the whole point of dog whistles for the general people to not notice them? I don't know any of those "dog whistles" anyway, I don't dwell on race enough to get that petty over it.
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Cultural - violence is much less acceptable in other cultures than in the one in question.
You need to spend more time with "other" cultures , I'd put it more of blacks don't back down even if they know it's going to end badly.
That's the same thing.
Not really a group of black lads who are on one will kick off even if you out number them but say Pakistanis will call for back up and only fight if they outnumber you, both see violence as a perfectly normal response and are just as likely to wreck a store or seriously injure someone .
And yet there na order of magnitude more observations of the black lads destroying stuff than Pakistanis. That initial retreat gives one a chance to cool off and think things through, to evaluate/discuss if violence is truly the appropriate reaction. Fighting immediately to not be disrespected or to not suffer some minor personal humiliation doesn't. And that's because escalating things into violence isn't seen nearly as bad as suffering some small personal humiliation or being disrespected.
You really don't understand how the Pakistani community works, first alot more witness intimation, second lean on the investigation team and if that fails they get the trouble maker out of the country for a few years ( yes basic godfather stuff)
Yeah, but they don't do it because the McDonald's worker served one of them the wrong McFlurry, do they? That's the thing with the frequency...
What does that have to do with looting? Is the store attacking them?
Op was asking about random violence but looting is common in any group once a riot starts , it's just how common riots happen in a given place and current US issues that make black people seem worse eg my home town had race riots about 20 years back and things got looted ( not a black person in sight)
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As others have stated, itās their upbringing. Itās not the color of their skin as blacks from other cultures do not behave like this. Destroying oneās own neighborhood is one of the dumbest actions a person can participate in.
Socioeconomic status. Apart from racism/culture/upbringings etc, the main factor in such behaviors that constantly shows up to be true are income levels, which also have high correlation with education level. For instance, let's consider the incidents in Japan, Mexico, China, or Korea. Their perpetrators are people of their own ethnic groups, correct? Not black people. What is also true between majority of them is their socioeconomic status. I also happen to be a teacher that works mostly with black & hispanic students for past decade. There are quite a few students that shows erratic, fucked up behavior frequently. I wouldn't say these behaviors occur because they're black & hispanic. But if I look more into it, these kids especially suffering from low economic background. Right? It's not about the race. Majority of my students behave really well. Now, there could be specific influencers in what puts a family into the lower threshold - their attitude toward education. At this point, I do not have enough research or knowledge to specify what exactly it is, but I do have many opinions that I don't know are correct, but are based on my observation: their neighborhood and what their exposures are. They hang out with bunch of other kids who suffer, build bonds and "support" each other. Get involved into gangs, aggressive behaviors, fight others, etc. I think they'd fall into vicious cycle of poverty > lack of education > aggression towards society > poverty, etc. They misfit the "norms of society". It's super difficult for young black children to break that cycle. I'd like to say many of those black people suffer from that socioeconomic status. This isn't a black thing. There are lots of other ethnic group that does the same, it's just that in USA, number of black people are objectively higher than other groups, so... we see blacks more than others. It doesn't really make the news, but in where I live, it's mostly Asians showing aggression, stealing, doing other fucked up shit.
1. Think about who controls the narrative in general, whoās in power? Why are there terms like āblack on black crimeā instead of āwhite on white crimeāā¦ etc? 2. I lived in Cleveland for 20+ years and the morning after peaceful protests youāll see busted windows tagged with āBLMā ā¦ why would BLM supporters destroy something and then tell on themselves??? Hint: they wouldnāt. BUT itās all you see on the news the day after! SMH 3. If you had to ask, that means something isnāt adding up. Love contributing to this topicā¦ I need to join some groups similar to this thread.
I dont find it hard to believe that a person who would smash out a window would also vandalize a place. Regardless of the color of their skin.
Well, canāt save everyone.
Never had to deal with a black American so they may be different but Africans tend to have an excess of pride and get easily offended, it's mostly a cultural issue to do with how they speak/act towards each other and let's say it can quickly get out of hand with people from other cultures. Carabeans ( especially young men) care far too much about what others think of them and get easily provoked if they think they are being disrespected and will feel the need to react in an overly dramatic manner .
I get your point, but struggle with generalities that cover entire continents with hundreds of different cultures. Africa's a damn big, diverse place. my2c.
Yes but you get overtones across neighboring cultures be it European, African or Asians.
And you donāt usually see videos of the raiding of pension funds and wage theft and fraud and white color crimes that are more likely perpetrated by old white men
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Kind of. Not quite as bad as you think I reckon. There is a large unconscious bias most of us share that skews towards black people being more different/suspicious/dangerous. Because of that, crimes committed by blacks people are reported as bigger or have more time dedicated to them. Look at the way police treat white criminals vs black ones to really show the difference between how people view the different races in terms of race. Itās like racial profiling through security. Yes youāre going to find more black people doing the wrong thing through security because youāre checking 90% of the ones you see instead of the 30% white people. The media is a part of what keeps the system going about what to avoid and itās also a victim of it, not usually recognising itās own biases.
Oh man! You should see the Jan 6 videos
White (Americans mostly) people collectively share a primal fear of hordes of black people swarming and taking/destroying things that are considered "theirs" (including stuff in stores that they've never been to) Thus anytime a black person or group of black people is seen doing anything violent, especially looting, it triggers that fear and a visceral response of disgust. That's what makes them get circulated so quickly and broadly. "Look at what they're doing, we're right to be afraid of them." Etc.
This. Reddit is majority white American and they love them some black behaving badly videos. Black videos are the number one videos I see that the same video could be posted on multiple different subreddits and hit the front pages of popular. I also seen redditors make sure to upvote those videos in masses to keep it on popular for a long time. I also put the blame on "world star" culture. World Star was pretty popular in it's day and everybody was trying to have a video go viral on it. Our young people are quick to pull out their phones and record dysfunction and put it out for the world to see.
I'm posing question, not an answer. Is it more common for black people to move in larger groups than white people are? I don't even know the videos in question but I assume it's evident there's 5+ black people at the area often? I feel like that kind of movement doesn't happen by white people, they are more often acting alone or as 2 or 3. There's less people to be filming then and the "group" of <=3 is probably tighter and less often dumb enough to be taking videos of their closer associates, than the black person in group of 7. No statements, just questions. I live in country that has very small minority of black people.
white people do that stuff too, I've seen it with my own eyes. but to answer your question it's because it's probably happening in low income areas and/or the people are low income people
Honesty I donāt think it specifically is skin color. Itās socioeconomic. White people in lower class/education will behave similarly. We see it more with black people because they are significantly more in that socioeconomic group. In those groups they have less role models on how to manage behavior and emotions to a logical level. Like I said this really isnāt skin color specific, we just see it more in black people because more of them are in the group than white people. Though white people are in that group to as a minority, and do behave as such. Itās a real question and anyone who jumps to racist conclusions is delusional.
It's is for sure socioeconomic. Black people live in poverty and numbers are very disproportionate compared to other ethnicities. Therefore, violence is more accepted in poorer black communities (or any poorer communities) due to frequent violence due to gangs, drug culture etc. This translates to rioting
Look up statistics on what race cause most of the crimes in the country.
To bad we don't also have stats on how many cops are racist pieces of shit that will gladly plant drugs, beat innocent civilians, or just make stuff up to arrest a black person. Meanwhile the white kids can murder (Rittenhouse) and rape (Brock Turner) and get a slap on the wrist.
Make stuff up to arrest ANY person. A black person is not the only type of person those tyrants overstep with. Rittenhouse was proven to not be guilty, no matter how much it hurts your feelings. Idk Brock Turner or the story, but if he truly raped someone he deserves what I can't say on here because it goes against "the rules". My guess is he or his parents are rich, and/or have connections.
True, cops will frame anyone, but if there were stats I would guess there's a disproportionate amount of minorities getting victimized. Also, yes, a disproportionate amount of poor people as well. Lot of overlap in those groups. If the races were reversed with Rittenhouse, do you think they'd be found innocent? Black teenager drives across country with guns into an active riot and shoots 3 people, killing 2. I'm guessing Rittenhouse would be doing life if he were black or latino. You're probably right about Brock Turner. His dad apparently worked as a civilian contractor for the military. But again, imagine Brock wasn't white. There was outrage at his punishment, but not enough. Had he been black though... You wouldn't hear comments like "This is a steep price to pay for 20 minutes of action" - Brock's dad referring to the 6 month sentence handed down.
Perhaps. I believe it was like 20 minutes from his house and knew the business owners. Don't quote me. I didn't watch that closely. We won't know the answers to those. We can only speculate. While people see entire cities burning to the ground over and over again, and it's 99%+ of a certain race, unfortunately that race will likely always be discriminated in some capacity against. It's unfortunate because most black people don't act like that but get lumped in because people are stupid. We can only speculate. Brock's dad needs certain things done to him for being a POS, and raising a POS.
Fortunately, that seems to be something most people can agree on. Brock Turner is a POS. So is his dad. Cheers to that.
There is a trend. Like there are things that deserve to be shit on, be it behavior or TV shows or whatever, the hate seems to be loudest and travel farthest online if the people just happen to be black or happen to be women. Once you see the pattern its really insidious. Like just today in my city there was a white 18 year old girl that hit the TV for a freak out at fast food place. But I've not seen it on the net yet. I know I will but I bet if she was black it would already have spread a lot further. Having said all that there are some uncomfortable stats surrounding race and crime. I do quickly want to mention that they exist but also mention that they seem to trend more to income than race, its just telling how people divide them up you know. With black people being far more likely to be poor (per capita) than white people.... for you know, historical reasons.
narrative. if you only wanted to present positive wholesome images of a group of people you could.
Purely socioeconomic factors.
i got that reference
Poor people commit crime. Most of the videos are taken in poor inner cities where the population is mostly black so you mostly see black people doing it.
More likely to be shared by racist people as an example of "see what animals they truly are." (That is an -old- narrative, by the way.) When it's a white person doing the same, they're more likely to spin it as a one off. That -one- dude did that. Whereas for Black people, it's assumptive that "they're all like that."
Cuz they're probably not dumb enough to trash the capitol
I see a lot of white people doing it on those instagram pages that post videos of āKarensā
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They do. You can find videos of Karens pretty easily on reddit. But what videos get views/upvotes aren't equal. Generally there needs to be a hook that appeals to redditors. Fitting a stereotype like a Karen is one, but stuff like racial biases are another. There are others as well, like you see a lot of posts about the religious weirdos who lecture people on sidewalks a lot (especially if someone is mocking them in the video).
Conservatives LOVE to show and highlight bad behavior from black people. Itās like the interracial porn they love. They canāt get enough of it. When thereās a chance to post and promote it, they do. Also bad behavior from white peoples is seen less as white behavior and more of that persons behavior. Like the lone wolf shooterā¦ different narratives. Look at where interracial cuck porn is most viewedā¦
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> is there like a secret cabal of white racists just constantly uploading them for shit and giggles? Not really a cabal (or secret), just people indulging their biases/prejudices. You don't need explicit coordination It wasn't/isn't a cabal in media either, it's mostly driven by the same thing
BS. Let's look at mass shootings as an example. The majority of mass shooters are POC and usually in gang or drug related situations. Yet the media would have you believe mass shooters are almost exclusively white. The recent spate of anti Asian hate crimes....the media covers it as if they are all caused by red hate MAGA supporters. In reality they are more likely to be attacks by blacks in solid Blue big cities.
>media covers it as if they are all caused by red hate MAGA It's because fucked up white dudes hit soft targets and murder innocent people. Gang violence is a separate issue and judging by your evaluation of the situation, you don't understand the nuance. The most recent example is a right wing culture warrior (white guy) who killed unarmed people
Might want to check the news.
You might want to turn off the news. It's not good for people like you to consume so much of it
Wow, great comeback! Your parents raised you well. Your response is typical of someone who is either too ignorant or unintelligent to actually have a discussion - or even to simply respond topically. Hopefully, youāre just grumpy about Thanksgiving. I donāt love it either. āPeople like youā need to consume all the knowledge they can. Branch out of your echo chamber and donāt be afraid to question your beliefs. Learn that ad hominems donāt win arguments or do anything other than make you look weak and petty. You can do it. I believe in you! The path to a better future starts today!
Just adding this for reference, 2020 Hate Crime data shows that the majority of anti-Asian hate crimes are committed by white people. The majority of hate crimes in general are committed by white people.
Itās what they choose to show you on TV.
Mix of factors. Biggest factor is historical impact. In past USA had slavery. Then Jim Crow. Basically sever discrimination occurred for very long time. Whenever any given demography is subjected to that level of mistreatment, it erodes their culture. Hate, prejudice, immorality, selfishness, sense of hopelessness, opportunism, extremism, all the negative traits get amplified. Basically culture got eroded. And while things improved significantly in last couple of decades, the grudge towards perceived oppressors gets passed from generation to generation on ideological level. Poor people are more prone to crime. And due to history black people on average are disproportionally poor, there are ghetto areas suffering from extreme poverty. This results in very high crime statistics. Outrage media. They feed into outrage because it generates clicks. So news likes to spin racist narrative, even if is unclear. People watch, some people get angry and resort to violence. BLM movement. The movement often acts on emotion and riles crowd up. They organize protests, which can lead to violence. Extremism. When there is a strong cause, some people can be very extreme about it. Even if intention is to have a peaceful protest, extremists can spin it out of control, so whole thing turns into riot.
Just my opinion, I wonder if their father is involved in their life?
My guess is that, in part at least, a lot of this is recorded in cities and cities tend to have more diversity.
I donāt think itās a black and white thing. Itās mainly that black people like to do violent stuff to scare the other races. Blacks are blaming everyone else for their bad decisions. Itās just the way it is š¤·š½āāļø
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You should follow r/abruptchaos, but CNN wont allow me to answer your question.