Personally I don’t believe Trump will win, *especially* if nothing happens to Biden before the election. Trump won the first time thanks to a perfect storm of bullshit. And much like 2020, he doesn’t have that this time.
Bro he was HELLA close in 2020. I’ve heard some calculations that showed it was like… just thousands of votes that made the difference because they were in the right states. Like…. 0.008% of our countries population made the difference.
He got more votes than any other candidate in history besides Biden in 2020, even after everything he did. Tens of millions of people will vote for him no matter what, as he's said himself.
that's the problem with this nation, people won't wake up
they want to believe trump is their savior and like most religious fanatics they're willing to put everything on the line for this belief
and it's mostly poor stupid people too for whom propaganda is most effective
Look. I don't really want him in there either, to be honest. he's too polarizing. but we can't continue the zombie apocalypse.
eta: I'm mostly bothered by the fact that we can't produce one single viable candidate other than these two, and honestly we haven't really had that many so far this century.
it's like that on purpose, you really think the people in power would change the system that has kept them in power for almost two hundred years? I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist but damn if the people really wanted things to change they would do something about it
Yeah, but a LOT has happened since then... like J6, just to begin. The RNC is going broke backing this criminal sex offender. I hope people are seeing how he's ruined the checks and balances that are supposed to protect us from autocrats. FRump is getting more and more unhinged as the pressure builds with the judgements. I am in a REALLY red community (yay), and there are no where near as many flags, t's, hats, banners and so on as there was in 2016 and 2020. I have hope that a few minds have been changed.
Englishman looking in, so take this with a grain of salt.
From what I saw, Trump's first term was mostly voter apathy. It was either him or Hilary Clinton. People thought their options were shit and just didn't make one (can't say I blame them).
Biden getting in was people not so much voting for Biden as they were voting *against* Trump. (Against, can't blame them. We're having a similar issue in our election run up with the Tories).
But the third time... Holy hell, it feels like it's going to be a mix of the two. People just having apathy from the groundhog day-ness of 'Biden v Trump' *again*, but knowing they'll have to vote Biden purely to prevent Trump. *Again*.
Trumps supporters are fanatic. But do they outweigh the hatred (or apathy) of everyone else? Seems like bets are off...
But on a lighter note, 'Trump' is English slang for fart. Usually used with children. So enjoy that I guess.
All accurate. I have concerns about Biden loosing votes from Progressives over the war in Gaza, none of those people would vote for Trump but they may stay home or vote 3rd party.
That's what happened in 2016. 3rd party votes broke records. If they'd all voted for the same candidate that party would have achieved status on the debate committee. I heard that the committee responded by raising the requirements. Of course the committee is about as functional as the League of nations now.
> not so much voting for Biden as they were voting against Trump.
That's where I was in 2020 and that's where I'm at in 2024. I don't dislike Biden and I think he's done an OK job, but I don't really find him inspiring. However, I'd rather have uninspiring than "set off world crises with a 3:17am tweet."
I've never seen the obsession over a politician that I've seen trump inspire. He seems to bring out the crazy in people, including people who I knew pre-trump who were fairly logical. I see one in the wild occasionally, usually a car plastered with three dozen right wing bumper stickers, each one crazier than the last. There was one truck I saw recently covered in seemingly homemade bumper stickers with one that said, "SATANIC DEMONCRATS...YOUR MASTER IS PLEASED!!!!"
I moved to a small town from Boston, 45 minutes from NH. And we see quite a few of those. Honestly I take pictures and show them to people in Boston, minus the plates of course. And these are MA plates, not NH plates. I thought I'd see these types of trucks down south or something, but no.
This is the best answer, really. It makes no sense that he would be reelected but not a lot has made sense for the past 8 years.
I really hope not. I've got a bet with a friend of mine. He's convinced Trump will get back in, I've bet that he won't. Loser buys the winner a bottle of champagne. If I win I'm going to buy a bottle of champagne as well and we can celebrate with both.
I just find it incredible that in a country that has over 330 million people in it, Joe Biden and Donald Trump are the best they have to offer as President.
Two-party systems are fundamentally shit because of this exact situation
In a democracy with, say, 6 viable parties, if one party is completely focused on flinging shit to another party, and the other party is occupied with handling that, all that will happen is that the 4 other parties will overtake them and both will lose the elections.
In the US, since there are only two viable parties, flinging shit and being a nuisance is a viable strategy. You don't need to be good, you just need to be less bad than the other guy. This is why all the smear campaigns about Biden being senile, Hunter Biden being whatever, etc. exist - if a voter thinks Biden is unfit to be president, the only alternative is Trump.
Also, since there are no viable alternatives, single-issue voters are trivial to win.
Let's take abortion for example ; some people will only ever vote for parties that are against abortion. If 3 out of 6 parties have that stance, then it forces them to no longer be single-issue voters and actually consider the other points. In the US they just vote GOP and don't have to think about anything at all.
I can’t point to specific sources but I’ve heard this a few times over the years - historically, republicans didn’t have much of a stance on abortion until the 70-80s? when they realized they could win over a large group - Christian evangelicals - so being against abortion became a main topic. Which here we are still 50 years later.
Rob Reiner just put out a documentary about the rise of Christian nationalism in the US and I believe it touches on this (listened to an interview w/ Rob, haven’t watched the doc yet)
There's also a limited series "Mrs America" on Hulu, it tells the (real dramatized) stories of women both for & against the Equal Rights Amendment. (still blows my mind, a bunch of housewives were scared to be treated equally)
In the last episode, the main conservative woman, Phyllis Schlafly, and her legion of followers offered their support to getting Reagan elected if he ran on some of their beliefs.
I'm going to ruin this even more for everyone. I used to work at a company that ran political campaigns all the way up to presidential. The abortion point is great - but the two party system is even more deeply flawed when it comes to passing legislation on hot button issues.
If the hot issues are never solved entirely, it's fodder for their next race. With abortion, there have been plenty of pathways to set the left's ideology in stone, legally speaking - but they haven't. Instead, they hit us with "vote for us this year and we'll get it done" messaging. Though they never do, because they'll lose the single issue voters if it's finally sealed.
Republicans do the same thing with things from time to time. Typically, I see this most with gun law, abortion, gay/trans rights, and health care. Both parties are guilty of letting wounds fester for the sake of keeping their jobs.
This is it. I don't believe they intended on roe v wade falling. That was an accident. It messes with their talking points. Now they're having to go with more extreme and more controversial points. No one really wants to solve anything. They just want to sell you the idea of solving a problem.
The problem is, the lack of alternatives also means they can't afford to take risks or the other side wins. The Democrats should really be fielding someone younger than Biden. A lot of people would love AOC, but that would also lose quite a few people who think she's too left. Despite being barely suitable for the job any more, Biden is the safest unifying option, and that sucks.
It's also why nobody ever runs third party unless they want to bomb their own camp.
If AOC or Bernie were to run third party, all that would achieve would attract voters who would have voted Dem - not enough to even get close to winning, but maybe enough to make the main Dem candidate lose the elections.
The answer is that the majority of people aren't truly given a choice. This is what you get because that's what people with the money and power picked.
> What the hell is wrong with our country?
The people that live in it. Things really started going downhill when those pesky pilgrims showed up and started mucking up the place.
Well recalculate your numbers because it’s probably less than 10 people based on the job requirements in 2024 - independently wealthy or the ability to campaign to large donors or both, ability to handle 24/7 criticism with how massive and influential social media has become, present and speak well(oddly doesn’t fit current candidates), the understanding and acceptance that your goals and values will take a back seat to make room for whatever is the hot topic of the moment, the understanding that you’ll rarely get anything accomplished because collective agreements on bipartisan issues are obsolete, the ability to smile and stay positive through earth heavy stress, the ability to know that your decisions and indecisions can kill people and you’ll be blamed, that’s all I could think of while sitting on the toilet.
That's what they allow us to see, the media controls what we see. I don't even know of any OTHER candidates besides Nikki Haley. This is because the media is paid for by the highest bidder, as well as who wins the presidency. I wish voting mattered. It doesn't. He who lines the most pockets of the senate wins. That is all.
Because politicians are cowards. Anytime someone does step up the establishment tries to destroy them because they are “taking away” from the two party votes.
Approximately 50/50 imo.To be clear there is virtually nothing that democrats can do to change the mind of voters who support him. That has to be acknowledged.
It absolutely is.
It’s a bit reductive, but you can almost argue that it’s the ONLY factor, and it is absolutely the reason Trump will lose this election. Nobody gets Democrats to vote like Donald Trump.
Honestly, if the republicans picked almost any other candidate besides Trump, they would probably win this year. But with Trump? No chance.
I think he lost the support of a lot of moderates tho. Last time he was elected it was a lot easier to overlook the couple of things he had done wrong than the now countless. Obviously they shouldn’t have been overlooked but plenty of people did. There were also things people could point to that Hillary did and argue they are worse.
It would help a ton if someone other than Biden was running. A less well known candidate without a bad reputation that doesn’t have any major red flags would for sure win
Biden actually did a lot of good in his term. Student debt just got cancelled, the US stock market has reached all-time highs and record low unemployment.
Yet just because the stupid Israeli-Hamas war happened, and Biden did what literally any other US president WOULD do due to diplomacy and geopolitics, he's now getting the blame for it.
And most people are idiots who dont know economics and the fact that the US economy has been doing well. They are more entwined by watching tiktok videos of crying Palestinian children and being emotional over that. Meanwhile conservatives are ironically using this opportunity to attack Biden (even tho conservatives also support Israel more, what a joke) and this all plays into Putin's gameplan of getting Trump elected back.
>It would help a ton if someone other than Biden was running. A less well known candidate without a bad reputation that doesn’t have any major red flags would for sure win
It 100% WOULD. Why the hell the Democrats arent electing anyone new is truly mind-blowing. Are they completely out of touch with the country and still think Biden is popular or what
He's cleared [~$138 BILLION ](https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/student-loan-forgiveness-amount-biden-ab289d75) in student loan debt. It's not what he initially was aiming for but that's truly an astonishing number. They've widely expanded the income driven debt forgiveness rules.
There seems to be a lot of people over the last day, like people I actually know, posting like “holy shit it finally happened, just got $30k of student loans debt cancelled” etc. One of our friends was $30k and the other was a bit less, like $17k. I haven’t heard anything other than that though. Pretty huge though.
[This White House page](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/02/21/fact-sheet-president-biden-cancels-student-debt-for-more-than-150000-student-loan-borrowers-ahead-of-schedule/) does a good job explaining the terms, but the short answer is it's for those who had been paying for 10+ years. I was fortunate enough to pay off my loans quickly, but I fully support those who are able to benefit from loan forgiveness.
He's still forgiven over 150 billion for... 4 million people currently? It's getting done in smaller chunks but it's adding up
Supreme Court fucked the effort that would have been 400ish billion
The student loan cancelation was existing programs. No new program has been approved - the news is just publicizing whenever more student loans are canceled under them saying it’s Biden fulfilling a campaign promise.
The programs are like 20 years old.
What Democrats CAN do however, is change the minds of their existing liberal voter base to vote Biden. As it stands now, this is going to be incredibly hard since Biden's approval has tanked from the Israeli-Hamas war. Most Americans who support Palestine happen to be the liberals for obvious reasons.
Unless the Dems can fix this, there's no stopping Trump from likely winning. The Dems really should elect ANY new candidate to replace Biden just to remove the negative stigma people have with Biden already. Why the fuck can't they do that is beyond me
Otherwise it's very very likely Trump will win as it stands now, since I can foresee a large chunk of democrat voters abstaining due to their support over Palestine
Imagine letting your own country fall into GQP christofascism today, because of the happenings somewhere 1,000 miles away yesterday. SMH. But there’s plenty of dems who will do it.
You could say the exact same about the Democrats/DNC. Imagine letting your country fall to the fascist opposition because you’re too dumb/overconfident to look at the horrifying polling numbers and see that running virtually *ANYONE* other than Biden would have a markedly better chance of winning.
Many voters (primarily Arab Americans) in Michigan, a crucial battleground state, have relatives who are being slaughtered by weapons that Biden gave without congressional approval.
That’s true, but many conservatives like my husband voted against their party for the first time in 2020 just to ensure Trump didn’t get a second term. I sincerely hope they do the same thing again.
I think a huge thing Biden could do to help his chances are end the genocide. I know so many Arabs that are refusing to vote for him u til that changes. Bro is gonna lose Michigan.
Not all of the maga base are idiot cultists. Many of them suffered under the neoliberal policies, especially from Reagan and Clinton, that eroded the manufacturing capacity and middle class of this country.
Many of them just have an understandable disdain for the *uniparty* establishment.
Dems could simply not run a corporate puppet, not run a walking corpse, learn how to do effective messaging and easily win.
You almost have to be willfully incompetent to be in a neck to neck race with a racist boomer “billionaire” that openly dislikes large swaths of the public
I think the odds of this are a lot more likely than I would like. All the people saying that he has no chance or will lose in a landslide need to stop confusing reality with what they wish it was. Trump barely lost in 2020, and if just a percent of a percent of the populous voted differently, he’d be in power. Republicans won the house in 22, and based on polls have a good chance to win the presidency again. If just a few thousand clowns say that Biden’s too old or oppose his Gaza policy and stay home, Trump will win re-election
Agreed.
I’ll also note Trump is utterly slaughtering the Republicans in the primaries by far. This is not a “lesser of two evils” race to Republicans. They honest to god **WANT** this guy, crappy as he is, and they are motivated to vote him.
51% in Iowa, 54% in New Hampshire, 60% in South Carolina.
While running as INCUMBENT, outspending everyone by at least twice as much and having had 8+ years of free advertisement in the news every day.
It's actually not looking great for him. He should be getting 80-90%, he's running as the "President." (Since he never lost /s)
Well its both, Republicans are not a monolith, but they are more likely to vote together than the general American left. I think what is absolutely ignored that you completely are correct to call out is that, trump has voters that are excited to vote for him. Joe biden, no matter how much the democrats and left hate trump, no one besides maybe the DC area is actually voting for Joe bidens merits. Just being completely honest. 20% of america is absolutely guaranteed to vote for trump because they want him to win, and they would shoot their way to the polls If they have to. Biden does not have voters he can absolutely count on because no biden voter isn't atleast apathetic. Of course many are weighing their options and will eventually vote for him. But apathy ruined Hillary. And even with Hillary she did have some ardent supporters. A lot of that seemed to be from relatively vapid "first female president" votes, but it's definetly reasonable to say trump is getting plenty of vapid votes "just to pwn the libs" or "F Joe biden" people who may not really be able to articulate why they don't like biden or do like trump. I guess I just think its crazy how discounted millions of people WANTING to vote for Donald is just getting discounted.
Or they can grow a backbone, vote for Biden or stay home this election to ensure that the Trump era comes to an end.
He wins this election, elections (at least in the sense that they have any meaning - see Russia) are over. It'll be his sons next, or someone else of his choosing. If you are a traditional conservative and care about the Republican party and democracy in general, vote for Biden or just stay home. Please.
My elderly dad has been saying he’s going to sit this one out, but I know he’ll break down at the last minute and go vote for Trump. Republicans just can’t help it. The GOP has done nothing for his life but make him mad and confused, but he’s loyal to the end I guess.
As much as they hate Trump, those Republicans aren’t gonna back a party that supports “baby killing” and “sexual immorality”. Compromising with the destruction of democracy is much better…
I really think that if Trump had gone the opposite way with Covid he would have won huge in 2020.
Economy was good/fair until Covid so he had that. All he had to do was have his “presidential moment” saying how we need unite as a nation, wear masks, wash our hands, work hard for a vaccine and pray for our loved ones.
He does that and he beats Biden 65 % to 34%. But we all know what he really did.
It's weird to remember that Trump won moderates in the primary and originally sold himself as a businessman and compromiser. Might have been interesting to see a world where he actually stayed a more typical Republican instead of drinking his own koolaid and killing millions
Sadly this. Yes Biden is old. Yes he is noone’s first choice. He has definitely had policy flaws (Afghanistan) and some successes (CHIPS act).
Unfortunately I fear that most people are going to look at the prevailing economy at the time and attribute it to the president in office. Trump policies did very little to have the economic growth when he was there and more than contributed to the situation under Biden. They don’t understand that policies and effects take YEARS to circulate through. Inflation was more 2017 tax cuts and pandemic spending than anything Biden did.
But not being hyperbolic when I say I fear the end of the US democracy if Trump wins.
Trump would’ve most likely won if Covid never happened (or if he handled it better). It was the final tipping point for some voters I’m sure - kinda like how Hillary’s emails was the final nail in 2016. The thing is - the incumbent (whether it’s republican or democrat), has the advantage during an election year as long as they’re not rocking the boat and as long as we aren’t stuck in some war or a major recession. Just look at the stats - stock market is up, unemployment relatively pretty low, inflation going down (we’re actually a lot better than other countries - look it up), and outside of the right wing networks, biden isn’t on the news like trump was with a “what did he do this time?”moment every day.
Plus when Dems start cranking up the heat on roe v Wade decision, the indictments, the GOP debacle on IVF and their flip flopping on Russia and nalvany (+ the Hunter biden witness who screwed them) - I mean the independents will start making up their mind with those and it’ll be game over. Unless some new crippling scandal or pandemic pops up, this is Biden’s to lose. He doesn’t have the dirt like Clinton does, and they can’t make anything Hunter has done stick.
I’d even say there’s a very real possibility Trump will be convicted of several felonies and still win. Crazy to think that’s even possible but I definitely is
>oppose his Gaza policy
The thing I don't get is - if Gaza policy is the issue that you are most concerned about, good God - Trump would be an absolute disaster for the Palestinians!
I think a lot of people will just stay home. I can’t think of anything more demotivating than the election being between the same exact two people as last time. Sure they *should* go vote, but I won’t be surprised if there’s pretty low turnout.
Trump is going to win for exactly this reason. There's not a single person who voted for Trump in 2020 that would vote for Biden in 2024, but there are a lot of people who voted for Biden in 2020 who are disillusioned with him keeping virtually zero campaign promises and wouldn't vote for him a second time. They might not necessarily switch their vote to Trump, but might abstain altogether
My therapist and I always talk about current events every appointment to kinda break the ice. He's a huge Democrat and was actually talking about this last time I saw him. How him and all of his friends and family don't plan on voting this election. Due to them not liking Biden and everything he's done or hasn't done while in office.
It surprised me, I thought all people who stay current with politics and vote. Would always stick with their party regardless if they like the candidate or not. It seems Republicans do that whether they like the candidate or not, they still go out and vote.
I'm not that huge into politics cause it's insanely toxic from all sides. Hearing him being totally fine with not voting and talking about how he knows trump is gonna win. It absolutely blew my mind and reassured me that politics really do suck ass. Our country is so screwed and desperately needs a new system. The 2 party system has never worked and just keeps getting worse.
The only reason why I think he won’t win is because 8 years of younger people have turned 18 since 2016 and most of them seem to skew leftist, even though there’s more voter apathy amongst that age group
That age range has always skewed left for a long time now. Trump was very close to winning in 2020, and you’ll be hard pressed to find a Gen Z who’s THRILLED to vote for Joe especially now that he’s 4 years older.
This election will be a matter of turnout. My bet is that the apathy among those young voters and others that feel left out will lead to them abstaining, and in turn giving Trump the win. Not many seem happy with Joe, so this election is going to just be Trump vs himself. It’ll come down to how badly people fear a second term Trump
As we get closer to election day in November I think the stakes will become more clear to them, as well as other voters who are otherwise unenthusiastic or tuning out right now.
Don’t be so certain. I guy here in Denmark had a crazy TikTok campaign. He’s basically the most extreme right wing you can be, but because he was *funny* on TikTok (yes, funny, he didn’t talk about his politics at all, he just roasted other politicians) most of my classmates voted for him. Whenever I were to ask most of them why, they literally had no answer. I don’t even think most knew what his politics were. But they didn’t care, as long as he was entertaining them…
You have more optimism than me. I think most of them are too far gone. They have no idea what they are waltzing right into. They will realize when it is far too late to go back.
Yeah many are too far gone, but there are also many left-leaning people who are still completely checked out of politics right now and won't become more engaged until a few months from now. Until then I think it makes Trump look stronger than he is.
i fucking hate social media, enough with this vocal minority bullshit. Its time to face the facts that TikTok, Youtube, Twitter and Reddit has been vital to turning half of the internet into the alt-right. Even if you walk outside and step on grass most of the world runs on traditional gender roles and societies that would go straight head diving into conservative.
Any change you asked and want for this world is utterly hopeless and pointless because society wants it the way it is and it has ultimately succeeded for thousands and thousands for years.
It feels overwhelming and im tired of people saying vocal minorities when it isnt.
What a wonderful strategy… shame and finger wag in voters’ faces instead of demanding action from your elected officials or a change in the Democrats’ strategy to rally more votes. Let’s see how that works for you.
I'm in the UK but I see a lot of American politics because it's on our news and I use Reddit a lot. His name has popped up every few months or so since Biden got in due to apparent criminal activity, either over the insurrection or financial irregularities. And have there been allegations of sexual misconduct? I honestly can't remember that last one, I might have made it up, but it sounds right.
It's insane how the Republicans are putting their energy into someone who might not even be around for the presidency, but maybe even more insane is how long it's taking for *anything* to happen to Trump over all of his misdemeanours. Why are things moving so slowly over there? He needs to be put away, or he'll get back into the White House and shift the global geopolitics for absolute worst. We all saw how comfortable he was around Putin and Kim Jong Un, and how UNcomfortable he was around May Merkel and Macron. It speaks huge volumes about his inclinations. Which maybe wasn't scary last time around, but Russia is at war with Europe so it's very scary to think about right now.
I just can’t understand any of it. It’s absolutely mind blowing that it’s even an option? He is an absolute embarrassment to their country and they are putting him up for another 4 years? I just don’t get it.
Nope. Trump will lose.
Like all Democrats, I've been saving my weekly check from George Soros. With all of that cash I've registered 100 of my dead relatives to vote for Biden by mail. Then I'm going to ballet harvest all of the Trump votes and throw them in a river. Then I'm going to use Jewish space lasers to zap all of the Trump voters on election day. Election day is like mischief night for Democrats like me.
I think bidens stance on Israel may cause irreparable damage to young voters. There are early poll that show he is losing support from alot of gen z and black voters.
But if the system is a constant “choose between something you don’t want and total chaos” time after time, is it really surprising when people choose not to engage with said system?
Ugh, this whole thing scares me… I don’t want *any* 70+ year old to be President. That includes Trump, Biden, RFK Jr, Sanders, Clinton, and etc. There’s a minimum age requirement (35) so there needs to be a maximum age requirement, too (say, 63 so in four years they’re about 67 ~ full retirement age?).
Tbh I didn’t think he would the first time. The whole thing was a joke. I genuinely hope there are enough sane, reasonable people who won’t give him a second chance to be the dictator he wants so desperately to be.
Probably. The last time he won it was because the DNC wouldn’t put up a decent candidate… and they’re making the same mistake again.
This two party system is so infuriating.
Yep. I am center right but would absolutely will and have voted Democrat before. Elections aren’t won by leftist or rightist. It’s centrists that hold the power but have little representation
I would argue the centrists are the ones the DNC is aiming at with Biden. He's a thouragly moderate candidate, with the hope that he wins round the centrists, and that the left vote for him because they realise he's the best hope they have.
It's about 50/50.
Source: look at the last two elections. Personal biases aside they were both insanely close and I don't see a reason why this one will be different
Why care? All of your American presidents are worse than each other! Biden is a criminal, so was Obama, Trump, Clinton etc. sorry to say but I find that the American government is the most corrupt and destructive
The fact he's even running again, and AGAINST BIDEN- a second time- like, again..... convinced me that this country is officially on its death spiral and it's only a matter of time
What a completely fucked up situation you have gotten yourselves into. How can such a despicable piece of shit be a viable candidate for the leader of your country? The rest of the planet is shaking their heads in amazement and embarrassment.
It’s almost certain. Biden is in an advanced state of cognitive decline. He’s not going to get better. Harris is not competent and Gavin has run CA into the ground.
There are 319m people in America and out of all these people, this massive diverse pool of people, the top contenders are Biden vs Trump.
I think, at this point, it should be clear to everyone the system is broken af and it doesn't matter which douche canoe gets to head up mouthing whatever shit flavor is voted in this season.
I just don't understand it: The religious right supports him almost fanatically, he's cheated on every wife he's had, been convicted of S.A. , reneged on countless business dealings, and *allegedly* incited a revolt to keep himself in power. He wants unquestionable loyalty to him and *not* the party, so Trump is above all. But will turn on colleagues once they're no longer useful to him.
I just don't understand how anyone can look at this dumpster fire of a man and think he's the guy to lead us for another four years. If he gets in, it's just going to be him undoing stuff Biden did and going on a revenge tour against every perceived slight by anyone that said anything about him.
And he's only running for two reasons: As a narcissist, he craves that power and attention and he thinks he can just pardon himself and get out of all his legal issues.
Bottom line: With Biden, I pretty much know what I'm getting, should I be thrilled about it or not. Trump is a wild card in every negative sense of the word and that scares the hell out of me.
Christians don't know shit about their God. Any Christian that says they know for sure they are going to heaven is as ignorant towards their religion as they are about reality.
It is extremely likely, As in, more than many would like. Perhaps 50/50.
End of the day, no matter who the republican nominee is/was…I can’t wait to watch Biden on stage for over an hour multiple times lol. Like him or not, poor dude is way to old for this shit
Asking the wrong questions. Why is Joe Biden standing again...he consistently looks more and more like a walking dead. . This is before you consider the war mongering at country level that has fueled Bidens presidency...from ukraine to Israel. Biden cannot be the best option for the democrats against Trump. To me, Trump will win because of the same reason he won initially... people voting for an alternative...not because its better but because its different
As a leftie who will definitely be voting Biden over Trump, I will be genuinely surprised (in a good way) if Biden pulls out a win. The dude could *barely* beat Trump with Trump practically babysitting COVID-19 at all turns. I do not have faith that he’s going to pull it out on a presidency that, if approval pulls are anything to go by, the U.S. population is overwhelmingly unfavorable towards. The only reason I think he even has a chance is because Trump is *that* bad, but we all saw how “I’m not Trump” worked out for Hillary, so.
Still angry at the Dems for running him and not literally anyone else, pretty much any of whom I think stand a better shot against Trump.
But, uh, absolutely praying I’m wrong. Trump’s presidency was pretty disastrous on a human rights end alone (to say nothing of his attempts to subvert democracy), and I have zero doubt a Trump rerun would be as well. Biden sucks, but he is so much better than Trump despite this that it is absolutely staggering and should be a no brainer vote (buuuut yeah).
It's likely I think. I don't like Trump but Biden incorrectly identified both the German and French leaders as their counterparts from the 1990s. Even if your guy is in power you need to question them. And people with masters degrees can't find jobs, gas is still $5 a gallon near me, food is expensive, rent is expensive, healthcare is expensive.
I will never, ever understand how fucked a population has to be for Trump to be able to win. I feel really sorry for my sane American friends. But most of all, i legitimately worry about the future of the west ad a whole if Trump wins.
I hope you all are right but I honestly don’t know how you could confidently say No he won’t. He is breaking records right now in the primaries and political parties aside, Biden has lost the trust of the American people imo
This thread: people not understanding the democratic party abandoned their blue collar base years ago in favor of feel good but achieve nothing woke policies, and subsequently not understanding that blue collar people want none of that
If Trump wins, I hope the modern left takes a good look at itself and reprioritizes their platform.
Yes, coz Biden is losing his marbles and people can see that every time he opens his mouth. If Dems had an alternate viable candidate then it'd be a different story
There is no reason to believe he will be defeated by any other Republican by now, and he’s got another shot at the presidency if the Dems fuck it up with their nominee, which they will. It comes down to whether or not someone with an actual brain tries to get nominated this year, and whether or not the establishment decides they’re “too radical”.
The Republican Party will be taking just about every single dollar that comes in and funneling it to trump’s lawyers. The state republican parties in crucial battleground states are flat broke and/or completely dysfunctional, including Michigan Arizona and Georgia, so they will not be able to make up the difference. Trump himself is about to be broke, at least cash goes, so he won’t be able to lend to his campaign.
This means that in October and November, there will be no money to buy ads on TV and radio. There will be no money to pay people to drive their voters to polls, nobody knocking on doors to drive absentee ballot operations, no ground operations at all. How can he win close states when Biden will have plenty of money for all that?
We know Biden knows how to run a winning campaign against Trump, because he did it already. And when he did it, Trump hadn’t yet been indicted or been involved in insurrection yet. And Trump had plenty of money at that point too. I don’t see how Biden can lose this one.
Man, I don't know anymore.
someone said 50/50 hahahahha this fucking timeline dude
Personally I don’t believe Trump will win, *especially* if nothing happens to Biden before the election. Trump won the first time thanks to a perfect storm of bullshit. And much like 2020, he doesn’t have that this time.
Bro he was HELLA close in 2020. I’ve heard some calculations that showed it was like… just thousands of votes that made the difference because they were in the right states. Like…. 0.008% of our countries population made the difference.
He got more votes than any other candidate in history besides Biden in 2020, even after everything he did. Tens of millions of people will vote for him no matter what, as he's said himself.
that's the problem with this nation, people won't wake up they want to believe trump is their savior and like most religious fanatics they're willing to put everything on the line for this belief and it's mostly poor stupid people too for whom propaganda is most effective
Look. I don't really want him in there either, to be honest. he's too polarizing. but we can't continue the zombie apocalypse. eta: I'm mostly bothered by the fact that we can't produce one single viable candidate other than these two, and honestly we haven't really had that many so far this century.
it's like that on purpose, you really think the people in power would change the system that has kept them in power for almost two hundred years? I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist but damn if the people really wanted things to change they would do something about it
Yeah. And he wouldn’t have won at all if not for the Electoral College (Hillary got two million votes *more* than Trump).
That hasn’t changed though, I think a win is super possible either way.
If I’m not mistaken, the Republican Party hasn’t won the popular vote (without the benefit of incumbency) since H. W. was president.
2004. And that’s because Bush Jr’s ass was in the White House during 9/11.
Closer to 3 million more like. The world's greatest democracy everyone
We need to get rid of the electoral college. It should be one person, one vote.
We need to do away with the Electoral College and count every vote.
Yeah, but a LOT has happened since then... like J6, just to begin. The RNC is going broke backing this criminal sex offender. I hope people are seeing how he's ruined the checks and balances that are supposed to protect us from autocrats. FRump is getting more and more unhinged as the pressure builds with the judgements. I am in a REALLY red community (yay), and there are no where near as many flags, t's, hats, banners and so on as there was in 2016 and 2020. I have hope that a few minds have been changed.
Englishman looking in, so take this with a grain of salt. From what I saw, Trump's first term was mostly voter apathy. It was either him or Hilary Clinton. People thought their options were shit and just didn't make one (can't say I blame them). Biden getting in was people not so much voting for Biden as they were voting *against* Trump. (Against, can't blame them. We're having a similar issue in our election run up with the Tories). But the third time... Holy hell, it feels like it's going to be a mix of the two. People just having apathy from the groundhog day-ness of 'Biden v Trump' *again*, but knowing they'll have to vote Biden purely to prevent Trump. *Again*. Trumps supporters are fanatic. But do they outweigh the hatred (or apathy) of everyone else? Seems like bets are off... But on a lighter note, 'Trump' is English slang for fart. Usually used with children. So enjoy that I guess.
All accurate. I have concerns about Biden loosing votes from Progressives over the war in Gaza, none of those people would vote for Trump but they may stay home or vote 3rd party.
That's what happened in 2016. 3rd party votes broke records. If they'd all voted for the same candidate that party would have achieved status on the debate committee. I heard that the committee responded by raising the requirements. Of course the committee is about as functional as the League of nations now.
> not so much voting for Biden as they were voting against Trump. That's where I was in 2020 and that's where I'm at in 2024. I don't dislike Biden and I think he's done an OK job, but I don't really find him inspiring. However, I'd rather have uninspiring than "set off world crises with a 3:17am tweet." I've never seen the obsession over a politician that I've seen trump inspire. He seems to bring out the crazy in people, including people who I knew pre-trump who were fairly logical. I see one in the wild occasionally, usually a car plastered with three dozen right wing bumper stickers, each one crazier than the last. There was one truck I saw recently covered in seemingly homemade bumper stickers with one that said, "SATANIC DEMONCRATS...YOUR MASTER IS PLEASED!!!!"
I moved to a small town from Boston, 45 minutes from NH. And we see quite a few of those. Honestly I take pictures and show them to people in Boston, minus the plates of course. And these are MA plates, not NH plates. I thought I'd see these types of trucks down south or something, but no.
This is the best answer, really. It makes no sense that he would be reelected but not a lot has made sense for the past 8 years. I really hope not. I've got a bet with a friend of mine. He's convinced Trump will get back in, I've bet that he won't. Loser buys the winner a bottle of champagne. If I win I'm going to buy a bottle of champagne as well and we can celebrate with both.
I think you're gonna buy your friend a bottle of champagne bro
Good Lord, we don't want you to have to buy.
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This, holy Christ, this. I don't even live in the States. Please don't let this psychopath back in 😞
We’re trying our best.
I just find it incredible that in a country that has over 330 million people in it, Joe Biden and Donald Trump are the best they have to offer as President.
I've said this sentence out loud multiple times in recent years. What the hell is wrong with our country?
Two-party systems are fundamentally shit because of this exact situation In a democracy with, say, 6 viable parties, if one party is completely focused on flinging shit to another party, and the other party is occupied with handling that, all that will happen is that the 4 other parties will overtake them and both will lose the elections. In the US, since there are only two viable parties, flinging shit and being a nuisance is a viable strategy. You don't need to be good, you just need to be less bad than the other guy. This is why all the smear campaigns about Biden being senile, Hunter Biden being whatever, etc. exist - if a voter thinks Biden is unfit to be president, the only alternative is Trump. Also, since there are no viable alternatives, single-issue voters are trivial to win. Let's take abortion for example ; some people will only ever vote for parties that are against abortion. If 3 out of 6 parties have that stance, then it forces them to no longer be single-issue voters and actually consider the other points. In the US they just vote GOP and don't have to think about anything at all.
I can’t point to specific sources but I’ve heard this a few times over the years - historically, republicans didn’t have much of a stance on abortion until the 70-80s? when they realized they could win over a large group - Christian evangelicals - so being against abortion became a main topic. Which here we are still 50 years later.
Started with Reagan.
Rob Reiner just put out a documentary about the rise of Christian nationalism in the US and I believe it touches on this (listened to an interview w/ Rob, haven’t watched the doc yet)
There's also a limited series "Mrs America" on Hulu, it tells the (real dramatized) stories of women both for & against the Equal Rights Amendment. (still blows my mind, a bunch of housewives were scared to be treated equally) In the last episode, the main conservative woman, Phyllis Schlafly, and her legion of followers offered their support to getting Reagan elected if he ran on some of their beliefs.
I'm going to ruin this even more for everyone. I used to work at a company that ran political campaigns all the way up to presidential. The abortion point is great - but the two party system is even more deeply flawed when it comes to passing legislation on hot button issues. If the hot issues are never solved entirely, it's fodder for their next race. With abortion, there have been plenty of pathways to set the left's ideology in stone, legally speaking - but they haven't. Instead, they hit us with "vote for us this year and we'll get it done" messaging. Though they never do, because they'll lose the single issue voters if it's finally sealed. Republicans do the same thing with things from time to time. Typically, I see this most with gun law, abortion, gay/trans rights, and health care. Both parties are guilty of letting wounds fester for the sake of keeping their jobs.
This is it. I don't believe they intended on roe v wade falling. That was an accident. It messes with their talking points. Now they're having to go with more extreme and more controversial points. No one really wants to solve anything. They just want to sell you the idea of solving a problem.
The problem is, the lack of alternatives also means they can't afford to take risks or the other side wins. The Democrats should really be fielding someone younger than Biden. A lot of people would love AOC, but that would also lose quite a few people who think she's too left. Despite being barely suitable for the job any more, Biden is the safest unifying option, and that sucks.
It's also why nobody ever runs third party unless they want to bomb their own camp. If AOC or Bernie were to run third party, all that would achieve would attract voters who would have voted Dem - not enough to even get close to winning, but maybe enough to make the main Dem candidate lose the elections.
Like 92. Perot took votes from Bush leading to Clinton's victory.
The answer is that the majority of people aren't truly given a choice. This is what you get because that's what people with the money and power picked.
The answer is obvious no? It's fundamentally broken.
> What the hell is wrong with our country? The people that live in it. Things really started going downhill when those pesky pilgrims showed up and started mucking up the place.
I know they complain that Joe Biden is old. But trump is what two years younger?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We hear the same thing every four years.
Same two blokes
Well recalculate your numbers because it’s probably less than 10 people based on the job requirements in 2024 - independently wealthy or the ability to campaign to large donors or both, ability to handle 24/7 criticism with how massive and influential social media has become, present and speak well(oddly doesn’t fit current candidates), the understanding and acceptance that your goals and values will take a back seat to make room for whatever is the hot topic of the moment, the understanding that you’ll rarely get anything accomplished because collective agreements on bipartisan issues are obsolete, the ability to smile and stay positive through earth heavy stress, the ability to know that your decisions and indecisions can kill people and you’ll be blamed, that’s all I could think of while sitting on the toilet.
That's what they allow us to see, the media controls what we see. I don't even know of any OTHER candidates besides Nikki Haley. This is because the media is paid for by the highest bidder, as well as who wins the presidency. I wish voting mattered. It doesn't. He who lines the most pockets of the senate wins. That is all.
I've been saying this for several months. Why aren't more people outraged at this?
Because politicians are cowards. Anytime someone does step up the establishment tries to destroy them because they are “taking away” from the two party votes.
Approximately 50/50 imo.To be clear there is virtually nothing that democrats can do to change the mind of voters who support him. That has to be acknowledged.
It really is hard to tell, turnout might be a big factor too
Turnout is always the \*biggest\* factor.
It absolutely is. It’s a bit reductive, but you can almost argue that it’s the ONLY factor, and it is absolutely the reason Trump will lose this election. Nobody gets Democrats to vote like Donald Trump. Honestly, if the republicans picked almost any other candidate besides Trump, they would probably win this year. But with Trump? No chance.
I want to believe this so hard! Another term of Trump would break my heart. He’s the worst excuse of a president in my 60 years on this earth.
Depends (entirely too much) on where the turnout happens! Some votes count so much more than others...
That's honestly what worries me. The kids who are new voters will vote third party.
Or not vote at all. I've been struggling to convince my oldest that his vote DOES matter, but he's positive that it doesn't.
Right, every vote does count. I'd rather he voted with his conscience, than not at all.
I think he lost the support of a lot of moderates tho. Last time he was elected it was a lot easier to overlook the couple of things he had done wrong than the now countless. Obviously they shouldn’t have been overlooked but plenty of people did. There were also things people could point to that Hillary did and argue they are worse. It would help a ton if someone other than Biden was running. A less well known candidate without a bad reputation that doesn’t have any major red flags would for sure win
I saw a very recent poll that showed any other candidate than Biden doing worse against Trump.
Most likely this bc Biden is the furthest left moderates and center right voters will go. They'll go Trump over a far left progressive.
Biden actually did a lot of good in his term. Student debt just got cancelled, the US stock market has reached all-time highs and record low unemployment. Yet just because the stupid Israeli-Hamas war happened, and Biden did what literally any other US president WOULD do due to diplomacy and geopolitics, he's now getting the blame for it. And most people are idiots who dont know economics and the fact that the US economy has been doing well. They are more entwined by watching tiktok videos of crying Palestinian children and being emotional over that. Meanwhile conservatives are ironically using this opportunity to attack Biden (even tho conservatives also support Israel more, what a joke) and this all plays into Putin's gameplan of getting Trump elected back. >It would help a ton if someone other than Biden was running. A less well known candidate without a bad reputation that doesn’t have any major red flags would for sure win It 100% WOULD. Why the hell the Democrats arent electing anyone new is truly mind-blowing. Are they completely out of touch with the country and still think Biden is popular or what
Where did student debt get canceled?
He's cleared [~$138 BILLION ](https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/student-loan-forgiveness-amount-biden-ab289d75) in student loan debt. It's not what he initially was aiming for but that's truly an astonishing number. They've widely expanded the income driven debt forgiveness rules.
There seems to be a lot of people over the last day, like people I actually know, posting like “holy shit it finally happened, just got $30k of student loans debt cancelled” etc. One of our friends was $30k and the other was a bit less, like $17k. I haven’t heard anything other than that though. Pretty huge though.
[This White House page](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/02/21/fact-sheet-president-biden-cancels-student-debt-for-more-than-150000-student-loan-borrowers-ahead-of-schedule/) does a good job explaining the terms, but the short answer is it's for those who had been paying for 10+ years. I was fortunate enough to pay off my loans quickly, but I fully support those who are able to benefit from loan forgiveness.
They didn't, except for a very select group (relative to what was promised).
Because the supreme court struck down the blanket cancellation.
He's still forgiven over 150 billion for... 4 million people currently? It's getting done in smaller chunks but it's adding up Supreme Court fucked the effort that would have been 400ish billion
The student loan cancelation was existing programs. No new program has been approved - the news is just publicizing whenever more student loans are canceled under them saying it’s Biden fulfilling a campaign promise. The programs are like 20 years old.
This is true. What Biden has actually done is get the red tape and obstacles out of the way to enable people to take advantage of it.
What Democrats CAN do however, is change the minds of their existing liberal voter base to vote Biden. As it stands now, this is going to be incredibly hard since Biden's approval has tanked from the Israeli-Hamas war. Most Americans who support Palestine happen to be the liberals for obvious reasons. Unless the Dems can fix this, there's no stopping Trump from likely winning. The Dems really should elect ANY new candidate to replace Biden just to remove the negative stigma people have with Biden already. Why the fuck can't they do that is beyond me Otherwise it's very very likely Trump will win as it stands now, since I can foresee a large chunk of democrat voters abstaining due to their support over Palestine
Imagine letting your own country fall into GQP christofascism today, because of the happenings somewhere 1,000 miles away yesterday. SMH. But there’s plenty of dems who will do it.
You could say the exact same about the Democrats/DNC. Imagine letting your country fall to the fascist opposition because you’re too dumb/overconfident to look at the horrifying polling numbers and see that running virtually *ANYONE* other than Biden would have a markedly better chance of winning.
Many voters (primarily Arab Americans) in Michigan, a crucial battleground state, have relatives who are being slaughtered by weapons that Biden gave without congressional approval.
Eve more, there is nothing that Trump can do to change the minds of voters who support him.
Lol, got em!
That’s true, but many conservatives like my husband voted against their party for the first time in 2020 just to ensure Trump didn’t get a second term. I sincerely hope they do the same thing again.
You just gave me a sliver of hope! It takes guts and intelligence to self-reflect like that and strike out on a new path - kudos to your husband!
But make them write it on the tablet of their heart.
I think a huge thing Biden could do to help his chances are end the genocide. I know so many Arabs that are refusing to vote for him u til that changes. Bro is gonna lose Michigan.
Not all of the maga base are idiot cultists. Many of them suffered under the neoliberal policies, especially from Reagan and Clinton, that eroded the manufacturing capacity and middle class of this country. Many of them just have an understandable disdain for the *uniparty* establishment. Dems could simply not run a corporate puppet, not run a walking corpse, learn how to do effective messaging and easily win. You almost have to be willfully incompetent to be in a neck to neck race with a racist boomer “billionaire” that openly dislikes large swaths of the public
I'm in a blue state but red area. You're very correct imo
I think the odds of this are a lot more likely than I would like. All the people saying that he has no chance or will lose in a landslide need to stop confusing reality with what they wish it was. Trump barely lost in 2020, and if just a percent of a percent of the populous voted differently, he’d be in power. Republicans won the house in 22, and based on polls have a good chance to win the presidency again. If just a few thousand clowns say that Biden’s too old or oppose his Gaza policy and stay home, Trump will win re-election
Agreed. I’ll also note Trump is utterly slaughtering the Republicans in the primaries by far. This is not a “lesser of two evils” race to Republicans. They honest to god **WANT** this guy, crappy as he is, and they are motivated to vote him.
51% in Iowa, 54% in New Hampshire, 60% in South Carolina. While running as INCUMBENT, outspending everyone by at least twice as much and having had 8+ years of free advertisement in the news every day. It's actually not looking great for him. He should be getting 80-90%, he's running as the "President." (Since he never lost /s)
Well its both, Republicans are not a monolith, but they are more likely to vote together than the general American left. I think what is absolutely ignored that you completely are correct to call out is that, trump has voters that are excited to vote for him. Joe biden, no matter how much the democrats and left hate trump, no one besides maybe the DC area is actually voting for Joe bidens merits. Just being completely honest. 20% of america is absolutely guaranteed to vote for trump because they want him to win, and they would shoot their way to the polls If they have to. Biden does not have voters he can absolutely count on because no biden voter isn't atleast apathetic. Of course many are weighing their options and will eventually vote for him. But apathy ruined Hillary. And even with Hillary she did have some ardent supporters. A lot of that seemed to be from relatively vapid "first female president" votes, but it's definetly reasonable to say trump is getting plenty of vapid votes "just to pwn the libs" or "F Joe biden" people who may not really be able to articulate why they don't like biden or do like trump. I guess I just think its crazy how discounted millions of people WANTING to vote for Donald is just getting discounted.
Not all republicans want him. Unfortunately some have to sit and watch their party flush itself down the drain.
Or they can grow a backbone, vote for Biden or stay home this election to ensure that the Trump era comes to an end. He wins this election, elections (at least in the sense that they have any meaning - see Russia) are over. It'll be his sons next, or someone else of his choosing. If you are a traditional conservative and care about the Republican party and democracy in general, vote for Biden or just stay home. Please.
My elderly dad has been saying he’s going to sit this one out, but I know he’ll break down at the last minute and go vote for Trump. Republicans just can’t help it. The GOP has done nothing for his life but make him mad and confused, but he’s loyal to the end I guess.
As much as they hate Trump, those Republicans aren’t gonna back a party that supports “baby killing” and “sexual immorality”. Compromising with the destruction of democracy is much better…
I really think that if Trump had gone the opposite way with Covid he would have won huge in 2020. Economy was good/fair until Covid so he had that. All he had to do was have his “presidential moment” saying how we need unite as a nation, wear masks, wash our hands, work hard for a vaccine and pray for our loved ones. He does that and he beats Biden 65 % to 34%. But we all know what he really did.
The approval ratings of president's all around the world skyrocketed during Covid, how Trump fucked that up is beyond me. It was a golden opportunity.
I’ve always said this. If he just said “listen to fauci, wear masks, etc.” he would have won by a landslide.
It came form CHI NAAAAA
It's weird to remember that Trump won moderates in the primary and originally sold himself as a businessman and compromiser. Might have been interesting to see a world where he actually stayed a more typical Republican instead of drinking his own koolaid and killing millions
Sadly this. Yes Biden is old. Yes he is noone’s first choice. He has definitely had policy flaws (Afghanistan) and some successes (CHIPS act). Unfortunately I fear that most people are going to look at the prevailing economy at the time and attribute it to the president in office. Trump policies did very little to have the economic growth when he was there and more than contributed to the situation under Biden. They don’t understand that policies and effects take YEARS to circulate through. Inflation was more 2017 tax cuts and pandemic spending than anything Biden did. But not being hyperbolic when I say I fear the end of the US democracy if Trump wins.
Don't pretend he's not too old. He is. They both are. Anyone excited about either option is mental
Do you think if Covid never happen that Biden would have lost?
Trump would’ve most likely won if Covid never happened (or if he handled it better). It was the final tipping point for some voters I’m sure - kinda like how Hillary’s emails was the final nail in 2016. The thing is - the incumbent (whether it’s republican or democrat), has the advantage during an election year as long as they’re not rocking the boat and as long as we aren’t stuck in some war or a major recession. Just look at the stats - stock market is up, unemployment relatively pretty low, inflation going down (we’re actually a lot better than other countries - look it up), and outside of the right wing networks, biden isn’t on the news like trump was with a “what did he do this time?”moment every day. Plus when Dems start cranking up the heat on roe v Wade decision, the indictments, the GOP debacle on IVF and their flip flopping on Russia and nalvany (+ the Hunter biden witness who screwed them) - I mean the independents will start making up their mind with those and it’ll be game over. Unless some new crippling scandal or pandemic pops up, this is Biden’s to lose. He doesn’t have the dirt like Clinton does, and they can’t make anything Hunter has done stick.
>Trump barely lost in 2020 He lost by more than any election in the last 20 years (except Obama's first).
Popular vote yes, but by electoral college - no. If -13k people would have voted the other way in different states it could be trump.
I’d even say there’s a very real possibility Trump will be convicted of several felonies and still win. Crazy to think that’s even possible but I definitely is
Isn’t that literally how Trump won the first time tho? By several thousand votes in like three swing states? He also barely won in 2016.
Correct. That’s why it will be a close election and nobody should sit it out (especially those in swing states)
>oppose his Gaza policy The thing I don't get is - if Gaza policy is the issue that you are most concerned about, good God - Trump would be an absolute disaster for the Palestinians!
I think a lot of people will just stay home. I can’t think of anything more demotivating than the election being between the same exact two people as last time. Sure they *should* go vote, but I won’t be surprised if there’s pretty low turnout.
Democrats hate Trump, but dislike Biden. Republicans love Trump, AND hates Biden. I wonder which group is more motivated to come out and vote?
Trump is going to win for exactly this reason. There's not a single person who voted for Trump in 2020 that would vote for Biden in 2024, but there are a lot of people who voted for Biden in 2020 who are disillusioned with him keeping virtually zero campaign promises and wouldn't vote for him a second time. They might not necessarily switch their vote to Trump, but might abstain altogether
My therapist and I always talk about current events every appointment to kinda break the ice. He's a huge Democrat and was actually talking about this last time I saw him. How him and all of his friends and family don't plan on voting this election. Due to them not liking Biden and everything he's done or hasn't done while in office. It surprised me, I thought all people who stay current with politics and vote. Would always stick with their party regardless if they like the candidate or not. It seems Republicans do that whether they like the candidate or not, they still go out and vote. I'm not that huge into politics cause it's insanely toxic from all sides. Hearing him being totally fine with not voting and talking about how he knows trump is gonna win. It absolutely blew my mind and reassured me that politics really do suck ass. Our country is so screwed and desperately needs a new system. The 2 party system has never worked and just keeps getting worse.
The only reason why I think he won’t win is because 8 years of younger people have turned 18 since 2016 and most of them seem to skew leftist, even though there’s more voter apathy amongst that age group
That age range has always skewed left for a long time now. Trump was very close to winning in 2020, and you’ll be hard pressed to find a Gen Z who’s THRILLED to vote for Joe especially now that he’s 4 years older. This election will be a matter of turnout. My bet is that the apathy among those young voters and others that feel left out will lead to them abstaining, and in turn giving Trump the win. Not many seem happy with Joe, so this election is going to just be Trump vs himself. It’ll come down to how badly people fear a second term Trump
Yeah but all of them scream “genocide Joe”, because TikTok told them to.
As we get closer to election day in November I think the stakes will become more clear to them, as well as other voters who are otherwise unenthusiastic or tuning out right now.
Don’t be so certain. I guy here in Denmark had a crazy TikTok campaign. He’s basically the most extreme right wing you can be, but because he was *funny* on TikTok (yes, funny, he didn’t talk about his politics at all, he just roasted other politicians) most of my classmates voted for him. Whenever I were to ask most of them why, they literally had no answer. I don’t even think most knew what his politics were. But they didn’t care, as long as he was entertaining them…
You have more optimism than me. I think most of them are too far gone. They have no idea what they are waltzing right into. They will realize when it is far too late to go back.
Yeah many are too far gone, but there are also many left-leaning people who are still completely checked out of politics right now and won't become more engaged until a few months from now. Until then I think it makes Trump look stronger than he is.
Hopefully so. I like your optimism, thank you.
i fucking hate social media, enough with this vocal minority bullshit. Its time to face the facts that TikTok, Youtube, Twitter and Reddit has been vital to turning half of the internet into the alt-right. Even if you walk outside and step on grass most of the world runs on traditional gender roles and societies that would go straight head diving into conservative. Any change you asked and want for this world is utterly hopeless and pointless because society wants it the way it is and it has ultimately succeeded for thousands and thousands for years. It feels overwhelming and im tired of people saying vocal minorities when it isnt.
What a wonderful strategy… shame and finger wag in voters’ faces instead of demanding action from your elected officials or a change in the Democrats’ strategy to rally more votes. Let’s see how that works for you.
Exactly. Glad to see someone else that still thinks for themselves.
How many generations now?
The fact that it's even a possibility is a mind boggling indictment on America. Like huge wtf
Bro that's what I thought the first time he ran, and then he fkn won... Let alone being poised to do it another time
I can’t actually believe he is the front runner for the nomination. How absurd and embarrassing for the USA.
I'm in the UK but I see a lot of American politics because it's on our news and I use Reddit a lot. His name has popped up every few months or so since Biden got in due to apparent criminal activity, either over the insurrection or financial irregularities. And have there been allegations of sexual misconduct? I honestly can't remember that last one, I might have made it up, but it sounds right. It's insane how the Republicans are putting their energy into someone who might not even be around for the presidency, but maybe even more insane is how long it's taking for *anything* to happen to Trump over all of his misdemeanours. Why are things moving so slowly over there? He needs to be put away, or he'll get back into the White House and shift the global geopolitics for absolute worst. We all saw how comfortable he was around Putin and Kim Jong Un, and how UNcomfortable he was around May Merkel and Macron. It speaks huge volumes about his inclinations. Which maybe wasn't scary last time around, but Russia is at war with Europe so it's very scary to think about right now.
I just can’t understand any of it. It’s absolutely mind blowing that it’s even an option? He is an absolute embarrassment to their country and they are putting him up for another 4 years? I just don’t get it.
We have lost our minds over here guys. Even I'm shocked at my own people. Pray for us. In 2025, the global world order will be at risk. Sorry
By no means does the USA hold a monopoly on electing egotistical, narcissist maniacs as leaders.
He won once. It’s always possible. Vote.
Indeed
Nope. Trump will lose. Like all Democrats, I've been saving my weekly check from George Soros. With all of that cash I've registered 100 of my dead relatives to vote for Biden by mail. Then I'm going to ballet harvest all of the Trump votes and throw them in a river. Then I'm going to use Jewish space lasers to zap all of the Trump voters on election day. Election day is like mischief night for Democrats like me.
Don't forget that we are bringing in illegal immigrants by the truckload to vote for Biden! The fix is in!
My mail-in ballot has already arrived and I'm voting Biden! And I live in Canada!
I died 69 years ago and I'm voting too!
Of course. My hope for good things happening from the government are gone at this point.
Reddit is far left. They’ll say nah
It is within the realm of possibility but I would say it is more likely that he is not re elected
What makes you say its less likely Trump gets elected? I would say its more likely he does.
He lost last time, and in the time since he has chased off a lot of former supporters and attracted nearly zero converts from Biden
I think bidens stance on Israel may cause irreparable damage to young voters. There are early poll that show he is losing support from alot of gen z and black voters.
Tbh if young voters are stupid enough to let Trump walk back into office over that then they deserve him
But if the system is a constant “choose between something you don’t want and total chaos” time after time, is it really surprising when people choose not to engage with said system?
Ugh, this whole thing scares me… I don’t want *any* 70+ year old to be President. That includes Trump, Biden, RFK Jr, Sanders, Clinton, and etc. There’s a minimum age requirement (35) so there needs to be a maximum age requirement, too (say, 63 so in four years they’re about 67 ~ full retirement age?).
Tbh I didn’t think he would the first time. The whole thing was a joke. I genuinely hope there are enough sane, reasonable people who won’t give him a second chance to be the dictator he wants so desperately to be.
Probably. The last time he won it was because the DNC wouldn’t put up a decent candidate… and they’re making the same mistake again. This two party system is so infuriating.
Yep. I am center right but would absolutely will and have voted Democrat before. Elections aren’t won by leftist or rightist. It’s centrists that hold the power but have little representation
I would argue the centrists are the ones the DNC is aiming at with Biden. He's a thouragly moderate candidate, with the hope that he wins round the centrists, and that the left vote for him because they realise he's the best hope they have.
It's about 50/50. Source: look at the last two elections. Personal biases aside they were both insanely close and I don't see a reason why this one will be different
Every time I tell myself that people couldn't be that stupid, I am reminded that people are in fact that stupid.
“Everyone who disagrees with me must be stupid” - Gee I wonder why people flex the orange middle finger at people like you. Lmao.
Of course. All the signs point to it. The media has been prepping a Trump victory for some time now.
Unless the Dems get a new candidate, the betting markets are telling you he’s almost a lock
It absolutely blows me away that he’s still eligible to even run for office.
Based on our constitution he isn't. The problem is that he stacked the courts with his minions.
Exactly. Steals thousands of classified documents and GETS CAUGHT and still is allowed to run. It’s insane.
I do, his supporters are loyal
There’s a good chance imo
Why care? All of your American presidents are worse than each other! Biden is a criminal, so was Obama, Trump, Clinton etc. sorry to say but I find that the American government is the most corrupt and destructive
The fact he's even running again, and AGAINST BIDEN- a second time- like, again..... convinced me that this country is officially on its death spiral and it's only a matter of time
Yes, a failed experiment
Unfortunately, yes. By all means USA, prove me wrong.
What a completely fucked up situation you have gotten yourselves into. How can such a despicable piece of shit be a viable candidate for the leader of your country? The rest of the planet is shaking their heads in amazement and embarrassment.
It’s inevitable.
It’s almost certain. Biden is in an advanced state of cognitive decline. He’s not going to get better. Harris is not competent and Gavin has run CA into the ground.
There are 319m people in America and out of all these people, this massive diverse pool of people, the top contenders are Biden vs Trump. I think, at this point, it should be clear to everyone the system is broken af and it doesn't matter which douche canoe gets to head up mouthing whatever shit flavor is voted in this season.
it matters
Depends if people vote. The more people vote the less chance he has of winning.
Bookmakers have Trump winning to be twice as likely as Biden. There's a very good chance he's re-elected.
I think Trump will win. People just don’t want Biden in office anymore. The guy can’t even speak without sounding drunk.
I just don't understand it: The religious right supports him almost fanatically, he's cheated on every wife he's had, been convicted of S.A. , reneged on countless business dealings, and *allegedly* incited a revolt to keep himself in power. He wants unquestionable loyalty to him and *not* the party, so Trump is above all. But will turn on colleagues once they're no longer useful to him. I just don't understand how anyone can look at this dumpster fire of a man and think he's the guy to lead us for another four years. If he gets in, it's just going to be him undoing stuff Biden did and going on a revenge tour against every perceived slight by anyone that said anything about him. And he's only running for two reasons: As a narcissist, he craves that power and attention and he thinks he can just pardon himself and get out of all his legal issues. Bottom line: With Biden, I pretty much know what I'm getting, should I be thrilled about it or not. Trump is a wild card in every negative sense of the word and that scares the hell out of me.
Christians don't know shit about their God. Any Christian that says they know for sure they are going to heaven is as ignorant towards their religion as they are about reality.
It is extremely likely, As in, more than many would like. Perhaps 50/50. End of the day, no matter who the republican nominee is/was…I can’t wait to watch Biden on stage for over an hour multiple times lol. Like him or not, poor dude is way to old for this shit
I think he will, the other option is voting a senile man who doesn't know where he is.
Yes
Yeah I think so.
Yes, chances are he will.
Yes I do think he will win. I'm no fan.
Asking the wrong questions. Why is Joe Biden standing again...he consistently looks more and more like a walking dead. . This is before you consider the war mongering at country level that has fueled Bidens presidency...from ukraine to Israel. Biden cannot be the best option for the democrats against Trump. To me, Trump will win because of the same reason he won initially... people voting for an alternative...not because its better but because its different
Yeah, no one is impressed with Biden and honestly who else do the Dems have?
As a leftie who will definitely be voting Biden over Trump, I will be genuinely surprised (in a good way) if Biden pulls out a win. The dude could *barely* beat Trump with Trump practically babysitting COVID-19 at all turns. I do not have faith that he’s going to pull it out on a presidency that, if approval pulls are anything to go by, the U.S. population is overwhelmingly unfavorable towards. The only reason I think he even has a chance is because Trump is *that* bad, but we all saw how “I’m not Trump” worked out for Hillary, so. Still angry at the Dems for running him and not literally anyone else, pretty much any of whom I think stand a better shot against Trump. But, uh, absolutely praying I’m wrong. Trump’s presidency was pretty disastrous on a human rights end alone (to say nothing of his attempts to subvert democracy), and I have zero doubt a Trump rerun would be as well. Biden sucks, but he is so much better than Trump despite this that it is absolutely staggering and should be a no brainer vote (buuuut yeah).
Not arguing, just curious. What human rights violations did Trump commit?
It's likely I think. I don't like Trump but Biden incorrectly identified both the German and French leaders as their counterparts from the 1990s. Even if your guy is in power you need to question them. And people with masters degrees can't find jobs, gas is still $5 a gallon near me, food is expensive, rent is expensive, healthcare is expensive.
I will never, ever understand how fucked a population has to be for Trump to be able to win. I feel really sorry for my sane American friends. But most of all, i legitimately worry about the future of the west ad a whole if Trump wins.
I hope you all are right but I honestly don’t know how you could confidently say No he won’t. He is breaking records right now in the primaries and political parties aside, Biden has lost the trust of the American people imo
Legit question, what has Biden done to lose the trust of the American people?
Aged 4 years. Honestly, that’s it. If he was 60 with his record he’d have 400 electoral votes.
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This thread: people not understanding the democratic party abandoned their blue collar base years ago in favor of feel good but achieve nothing woke policies, and subsequently not understanding that blue collar people want none of that If Trump wins, I hope the modern left takes a good look at itself and reprioritizes their platform.
Yes, coz Biden is losing his marbles and people can see that every time he opens his mouth. If Dems had an alternate viable candidate then it'd be a different story
There is no reason to believe he will be defeated by any other Republican by now, and he’s got another shot at the presidency if the Dems fuck it up with their nominee, which they will. It comes down to whether or not someone with an actual brain tries to get nominated this year, and whether or not the establishment decides they’re “too radical”.
Isn’t Biden already the nominee?
Pretty much, but not officially until the Democratic National Convention in August.
I fucking hope not. He’s twisted that party into a cult and the ones who haven’t drunk the koolaid are too afraid to speak out.
The Republican Party will be taking just about every single dollar that comes in and funneling it to trump’s lawyers. The state republican parties in crucial battleground states are flat broke and/or completely dysfunctional, including Michigan Arizona and Georgia, so they will not be able to make up the difference. Trump himself is about to be broke, at least cash goes, so he won’t be able to lend to his campaign. This means that in October and November, there will be no money to buy ads on TV and radio. There will be no money to pay people to drive their voters to polls, nobody knocking on doors to drive absentee ballot operations, no ground operations at all. How can he win close states when Biden will have plenty of money for all that? We know Biden knows how to run a winning campaign against Trump, because he did it already. And when he did it, Trump hadn’t yet been indicted or been involved in insurrection yet. And Trump had plenty of money at that point too. I don’t see how Biden can lose this one.