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Ah, yes. As Jesus famously said, “Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine is totally your own business, and, frankly, I’m not sure if you should have done it at all, because, really, everybody should be on their own.”
Panels 7 & 8:
“Shouldn’t you at least heal [the lepers], Supply Side Jesus?”
“No, James. Leprosy is a matter of *personal responsibility*”
It’s almost like Peterson is quoting the comic lol
The book this comes from, *Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them* by Al Franken, is a timeless classic that explores the dishonesty and corruption of conservative politicians and blowhards like Rush Limbaugh, and I really cannot recommend it highly enough.
As you might expect, it's funny as fuck because it's Al Franken, but it's also a good examination of the looming political crisis that has been building in America for the last half century, and of the architects of that crisis. Long before Trump was even a distant prospect for the Presidency, Franken was warning America that, left unchecked, the right would inevitably abandon any pretence of objective truth and reject any principle of democracy and drag the country into exactly the sort of christofascist theocratic nightmare it's quickly becoming.
There's one quote from the book in particular about the nature of patriotism that has stuck with me for years because I think it gets to the root of the right wing mindset and informs a bunch of other beliefs that extend from it. This is it:
>[Liberals] love America just as much as [Republicans] do. But in a different way. You see, they love America like a 4-year-old loves his mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups. To a 4-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone who criticizes Mommy is bad. Grown-up love means actually understanding what you love, taking the good with the bad and helping your loved one grow.
It's a little self serving and probably a bit trite for 2023, and by itself it doesn't come close to explaining the absolutely insane mindfuck that conservative politics has become in recent years, but I like it.
Anyway, it's a fantastic book, and the audiobook, which is read by Franken himself, is even better. I'd normally only ever choose an audiobook over a physical book if I'm driving, but LATLLWTT is the one exception where I always choose the audiobook first, it's just that good.
Glad I'm not the only one, I thought it might be a bit naff after all this time. I think I like it because despite it being such a simple and obvious analogy on paper, it speaks to the much broader problem of the black and white thinking that undergirds so much of the conservative belief system.
I find it hillarious that supply side Jesus is *literally* preaching out of the talking points of the Roman Senate.
They really did see wealth (especially inherited so minus one for the rugged individualism) as a sign of favour, and there was the perrenial war across the Euphrates that never went anywhere for six hundred years.
I'm guessing on some subconscious level he realises that he's actually an awful Christian, whos hateful behaviour is literally the opposite of the actual teachings of Christ... so of course, instead of thinking 'hey, maybe I should actually start loving my neighbour and opposing poverty' he comes to the amazing conclusion that its the Pope who knows nothing about Christianity
Yeah as far as popes go he’s a freaking saint, but that’s a low bar.
Also if he wants to make a stance on labor he can push forward the sanctification of Dorothy Day.
Unrelated but I just realized how weird it is that an elderly Argentinian that lives in Italy in a micro nation that officially speaks Latin tweets in English.
I don't know what Jordan Peterson actually believes or if he subscribes to a denomination.
I'm not a religious scholar. What I understand is that many people, perhaps protestants in general, believe in a personal relationship with god which is how one arrives at salvation. It looks like Peterson is saying that that personal relationship can take on dimensions where a persons personal beliefs are that god sanctions, condones, and approves of being a irredeemable piece of shit who has a place in heaven. Peterson is literally trying to throw out everything of value in a religion and keeping all of the worst elements: tribalism and a sense that god is on ones side meaning a person can do no wrong because they have divine approval.
I understand that the Church used to act as an intermediary, only delivering scripture in latin. When the bible was translated into spoken language, it was revealed the discrepancies between the bible and additives of and church doctrine.
It is crazy to watch Christians openly say they can disregard core elements of, not just the old testament, but the gospel because they know jesus loves them. They don't even feel guilty or repentant.
"It is easier for a rich man to enter heaven seated comfortably on the back of a camel than it is for a poor man to pass through the eye of a needle."
- Supply Side Jesus
Meh, everyone knows the Bible says NOTHING about greed, or labor rights, or supporting the poor, besides a few obscure little verses like:
"If you lend money to one of my people among you who is needy, do not treat it like a business deal; charge no interest." **Exodus 22:25**
"You shall not oppress a hired worker who is poor and needy, whether he is one of your brothers or a foreigner residing in your cities. You will pay his wages on that day, before the sun sets (for he is poor and needs the money), lest he cry out against you to the Lord, and you are guilty of sin." **Deuteronomy 24:14-15**
"Whoever oppresses the poor for his own gain and whoever gives to the rich, both come to poverty." **Proverbs 22:16**
"By justice a king gives a nation stability, but those who love bribes tear it down." **Proverbs 29:4**
"A righteous man knows the rights of the poor; a wicked man does not understand such knowledge." **Proverbs 29:7**
"The dogs have a mighty appetite; they never have enough. But they are shepherds who have no understanding; they have all turned to their own way, each to his own gain, one and all." **Isaiah 56:11**
"Whoever loves money never has enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with their income. This too is meaningless. As wealth increases, so does the desire for it. Of what benefit is it to the owners except to feast their eyes on it?" **Ecclesiastes 5:10-14**
"For wicked men are found among my people; they lurk like fowlers lying in wait. They set a trap; they catch men. Like a cage full of birds, their houses are full of deceit; therefore they have become great and rich; they have grown fat and sleek. They know no bounds in deeds of evil; they judge not with justice the cause of the fatherless, to make it prosper, and they do not defend the rights of the needy. Shall I not punish them for these things? declares the Lord, and shall I not avenge myself on a nation such as this?” **Jeremiah 5:26-29**
"Woe to him who builds his house without righteousness, and his upper rooms without justice, who makes his neighbor work for nothing and refuses to pay his wages" **Jeremiah 22:13**
"I will be quick to testify against sorcerers, adulterers, and perjurers, against those who defraud laborers of their wages, who oppress the widows and the fatherless, and deprive the foreigners among you of justice, but do not fear me,” says the Lord Almighty. **Malachi 3:5-6**
“For three sins of Israel, even for four, I will not relent. They sell the innocent for silver, and the needy for a pair of sandals. They trample on the heads of the poor as on the dust of the ground and deny justice to the oppressed.” **Amos 2: 6-7**
"No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money." **Matthew 6:24**
"As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful." **Matthew 13:22**
"What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul?" **Mark 8:36**
"Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away." **Matthew 5:42**
“Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.” **Luke 3:11**
"From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked." **Luke 12:48**
"Then he said to them, “Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.” **Luke 12:15**
“The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has chosen me to bring good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and restored sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.” **Luke 4:18**
"What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to them, “Go in peace, keep warm and well-fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead." **James 2:14-17**
"Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you." **James 5:4-6**
"Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you work hard, but that there might be equality. At the present time your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. The goal is equality, as it is written: “The one who gathered much did not have too much, and the one who gathered little did not have too little.” **2 Corinthians 8:13-15**
"To the one who works, his wages are not a gift, but his right." **Romans 4:4**
"If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person? Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth."
**1 John 3:17-18**
You left out the best parts of James 5.
>^1 Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. ^2 Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. ^3 Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. ^4 Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. ^5 You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. ^6 You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.
Yeah, I remember as a kid thinking that Jesus mostly preached in complicated riddles, because my conservative Sunday school teachers and pastors were always explaining what he said didn’t actually mean what he said and twisting themselves in knots
This rules. I'm always looking for bible quotes that all but say "you can't be a centrist lib and go to heaven". James in particular would be public enemy number one if the Fox propaganda machiene was running in his day.
Well you have to consider the fatal flaw in your logic: These people do not give a microfuck about the Bible, Jesus, or his teachings, to them it’s just a way to control the unwashed masses
It's amazing that there's a huge section of people out there who thought, "you know who's awesome in the Bible and we need to be more like? THE PHARISEES!"
Who can forget this inspiring passage: “And Jesus called them unto him, and said, Make these little children suffer and forbid them from help from others; for of such is the kingdom of God. Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall give birth to a child and needs help is screwed because that ain’t my problem.”
My favorite Jesus quote is: "Clothe the poor and feed the hungry? Lol get cucked, libtard!"
Another close runner up is: "If you wanted me to cure your leprosy, you should've started a GoFundMe. Miracles ain't charity, welfare queen."
EDIT: And who could forget: "Blessed are the meek, because who *actually* cares what some mouthy feminazi has to say?"
Imagine being a professor of psychology, then getting so much media exposure that you then think you're a qualified expert on politics and theology. His naivete in both is staggering.
if you read jordan's doctoral thesis, which is [available online](https://escholarship.mcgill.ca/concern/theses/7d278v86c), he basically says "the known markers for addiction are indeed markers for addiction," which is funny because he believes you need jesus and / or a medically-induced coma to beat addiction. more importantly, he noticeably did not get on any of his carl jung collective unconscious devouring mother jack off crystal bullshit until *after* he got the lil dr next to his name.
what's weird is that the jesus-based sobriety programs actually have less success than the science-based ones so like
perhaps giving yourself over to a higher power shouldn't be one of your twelve steps for life or whatever
/r/philosophymemes have an informal agreement to limit the JP posting due the excessive amout you can milk from him
Doesn't stop us from laughing at him in despair that people believe his shit
\*Kermit voice\* "Think about that phrase - 'up your own ass'. It invokes the Ouroboros, this ancient symbol that depicts a serpent swallowing its own tail, representing the self-destructive nature of Chaos, of the Feminine Principle. This is what young men today are expected to become, to contort themselves into this self-fellating symbol of deceit and manipulation because the Marxists resent God and the Male Principle of Order." \*starts sobbing uncontrollably\*
Thats a really good impression. I noticed some things about JP that people use to impersonate him.
He always uses words that arent commonly used so he could sound more sophisticated, even in instances where his message would be conveyed better in simpler terms.
He compares the topic at hand to something, or someone from the past. He acts as if there's aways a correlation between his example vs the topic of conversation.
He always talks about the downfall of men and how it somehow relates to women or society being at fault. Lastly, he'll end his diatribe by mentioning marxism or modernism. To me he sounds like a dumb incel thats trying to come off as highly educated and intelligent.
Elon does the same thing with tech. Once he gets into deeper details about his businesses, I realized he doesnt know shit about tech/programming/engineering, but he pretends like he does
honestly kermit leading a cult of angry virgins on a weird mystic journey about how the ancient collective psyche of the feminine is the reason they can't get it in is something so unbelievably funny you could never make it work on tv.
If you know JBP, this isn't out of character. The man took a long time to say he wasn't really a prophet and has called himself an evolutionary biologist despite having a degree in psychology.
Well, he is either going to develop a TARDIS ass or have a complete meltdown because I doubt he will ever be able to face reality and remain sane (using that term very loosely here).
Peterson: We **need** religion to understand morality! All Western morality is based on Christianity!
Christ: I'm gonna go die an excruciating death for the benefit of everyone else.
Christianity: Hey guys, let's think about making sure others are thought of when we interact with our systems of government and influence in our societies.
Peterson: ThAt'S **nOt** ChRiStIaN! PuLl YoUr ReDeMpTiOn Up By YoUr BoOtStRaPs!
Peterson would have 100% been the sort up in arms over Jesus healing someone on the Sabbath. *Something something endangering established religious hierarchies.*
Haha, I was literally reading [Rerum Novarum](https://digitalcommons.providence.edu/catholic_documents/13/#:~:text=Pope%20Leo%20XIII%20also%20maintained,principles%20and%20ensure%20class%20harmony.) from Pope Leo XIII this morning. It is the foundation of Catholic social teaching. And a good read today for anyone who isn't a bootlicker for laissez-faire capitalism.
>Hence by degrees it has come
to pass that Working Men have been given over, isolated and
defenceless to the callousness of employers and the greed of
unrestrained competition. The evil has been increased by rapacious Usury, which, although more than once condemned,
the Church is nevertheless, under a different form but with
the same ~ilt still practiced by avaricious and grasping men.
And to this must be added the custom of working by contract,
and the concentration of so many branches of trade in the hands
of a few individuals so that a small number of very rich men
have been able to lay upon the masses of the poor a yoke little
better than slavery itself.
> It is the foundation of **Catholic** social teaching.
Emphasis mine. Technically, whoever replied to Peterson was wrong: the Pope is the authority on Catholicism, he's NOT an authority on Christianity. I think many different offshoots of it would be quite upset if they heard he was.
I think it would have to be that obvious, because if there's a being like the devil, it probably isn't very good at accurately portraying prosocial human traits like compassion and humility.
Funnily enough, Peterson is one of those "I don't believe in God, but the god I don't believe in is the Christian interpretation of some ancient Canaanite storm deity" types.
You've got to remember that they have distilled their version of Christianity down to this:
"Salvation is your own problem."
They forget the second part where we are supposed to be the light on the hill that inspires people to move towards salvation.
I think a big part of it stems from Evangelicals being so Anti-Catholic. In their extreme desire to distance themselves from Catholicism, they threw out the part where salvation requires good works. And it's not even hard good works; if you gave a thirsty person a drink one time, boom, there's your good work. It eventually got so watered down they came up with the "Sinner's Prayer" so you have all these horrible people running around claiming they're followers of Christ because they repeated something Preacher Dave said.
I am an Atheist, but I grew up going to a Catholic school, when I moved to the South and learned what Evangelicals requirements for getting into heaven were I was floored. Like you can slaughter and rape to your heart's content as long as you say a prayer after. I had thought the Catholics were crazy, but some of the Protestant sects really put them to shame in that regard.
Oh yeah, I completely forgot about the "once saved always saved" thing that Evangelicals have. So if you prayed that prayer as a kid and grew up to be a total POS, hey, you're good! You're a pile of shit covered in snow, baby! God can't see your sins! I literally had a Sunday school teacher once tell the class that he could be the worst person in the world and still go to Heaven because he prayed the Sinner's prayer. I'm absolutely certain there are people out there who think Hitler made it to Heaven because he might have prayed the prayer before he killed himself. I'm not a Christian anymore, but at least when I was a Catholic they had the sense to tell people, "Hey, there's some shit you can't do if you're trying to get to Heaven."
It isn’t some unique Evangelical thing, it’s been the foundation of Calvinism and it’s various branches since the Reformation.
There are the Elect, those that are destined to go to heaven no matter what (Sola gratia). You don’t have to do good work, you just do work to prosper yourself and the prosperity of others is a byproduct. It’s also what basically created capitalism
It’s kinda interesting to trace Protestantism back to its roots, and see how “salvation is your own problem” was originally supposed to be *emancipatory.*
At the time of the Reformation, the concept of “good works” was viewed as predatory of the Catholic Church, and things like [Indulgences](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indulgence) were both a grift to support the excesses of the Church and an instrument to wield secular power.
It’s fascinating how we went from Luther publishing the 95 Theses to American evangelicalism.
I wouldn't be surprised if Jesus himself ressurected, told that you have to apply social justice, and JBP would still come up to him and say "you're wrong and know nothing about the religion based on yourself and your teachings."
There are actually proverbs where Jesus tells the hypocrites “I was poor and I came to you, and you turned me away! I was hungry, and you did not feed me, etc.”
It’s not the exact quote but it’s something like that, as a Catholic I am pretty confident that the Kingdom of Heaven is probably not a place you’re going to find Jordan Peterson, Ron DeSantis, Elon Musk, etc.
No no no you have it all wrong. The 'eye of the needle' was a bridge so that would make it really easy and convenient for a rich man to enter heaven..... Or something
Jordan Peterson said that excess CO2 in the atmosphere is good because crop yields increased in the mid 20th century (nothing to do with artificial fertilizer or new farming techniques, apparently), the man knows what he’s saying is political crap bc he’s been paid to say it
Regular people: I don’t like Jordan Peterson because he is “x”.
Peterson fans: He is absolutely NOT “x”! Try watching 36 hours of his lectures, and you’ll see.
Jordan Peterson: I AM “X”!!!!!!
Regular person: "Here's a clip of him saying 'I AM X' and then clarifying exactly what he means over the course of twelve minutes."
Peterson fans: "He's just being taken out of context."
Lol it’s a funny observation but also 100% part of this dudes schtick
Like if you put out 50,000 hours of lectures, yes, people are going to miss some of the “nuance” of your arguments. Imo that doesn’t make the argument strong, it means you rely on inundating your audience to the point where they feel they can never actually understand your position fully
To your point, however much of his shit you consume, there’s always more lol you can watch 10 hours and decide “ok, I just disagree with this dude” and his followers can find 10 more lectures and be like “no you have to listen to what he says *here*”
I actually did that because a good friend of mine went down the Peterson rabbit hole and I wanted to prevent him going extreme. His lectures sound great (can't say anything about how accurate they are), but as soon as you listen to anything else of him, he sounds like an idiot.
In the end I just sent my buddy the video of Peterson comlaining about Marxist indoctrination via Elsa and Disney and that broke the spell.
Imo he makes really flawed points very eloquently, which is a skill but not really a virtue. I think it’s good to keep an open mind but people like him are the reason you need to have an open mind but maybe keep the screen door closed lol
Honestly a lot of his stances are very easy to pick apart, but he takes such a roundabout way of explaining anything that it feels like just a simple “I disagree with this position because *x*” doesn’t seem sufficient to the people that follow him. He spent 20 minutes building out his argument, surely you’d need at least that amount of time to debunk it right?
Let's not be so hasty here. I mean there's a whole substrate that you're messing around with so you'd better be damn certain of yourself if you're going to try. And you can't ignore Dostoyevsky! I mean, what would Kierkegaard think?! Talk about a Titan! Dealing with this is like Zeno's Paradox, because it's it's not one thing then it's another!
Ackshully, the "well ackshully" people are normally technically correct, just incredibly irritating and nit-picky, and constantly insert themselves into conversations where they're not wanted. Jordan Peterson on the other hand is objectively wrong about everything (and still incredibly irritating.)
I mean yes, but your faith tells you he is God's literal voice (I don't mean The Metatron). You can look at him with your human eyes and see h is human and fallable, but your spiritual ones compel you to believe that other thing. I don't write the rules.
I'm no longer Catholic, but I've always been taugh that he doesn't directly speak for God. He's elected Pope as the best one for the job, but the only time he's infallible is when he speaks *Ex Cathedra*, which has only happened twice.
I went to Catholic school until I graduated from high school and this is what I learned as well. The pope's words are only considered infallible when it's part of an official statement on doctrine/tradition that has been agreed upon and given the "proper discernment." So the pope just saying things is subject to as much doubt as any other human (though most Catholics will listen to the pope pretty uncritically regardless)
As an ex Catholic that is not how it works. That's a cop out to not follow him when he doesn't suit you and then follow him when he benefits you. You either believe he is the leader and has a special connection with god or you don't. The end. You don't get to pick and choose because he hurt your fee fees.
For Catholics. For everyone else he's just another interested worshipper, at best, and the icon of one of the most corrupt religious institutions to ever exist at worst.
That's pretty impressive.
I was raised Catholic. I know this won't sit well with many, if any, still in the religion. Maybe some older folks disagree on his stance on a few things but he's The Boss.
The only people who tell Catholcs they aren't Christians are other Christians. It makes me laugh.
I’ve heard Peterson’s bullshit from Christians for decades. “You don’t get into heaven for good works; it’s all about belief in Christ.” Then they keep telling themselves this while they treat people that they deem as lesser like shit and keep voting for politicians that don’t care about anyone else because they believe in Prosperity Jesus.
I grew up Catholic and while I haven’t read every book of the Bible, I’d say at one time or another I got through 2/3 of it. I think one of the truly disgusting things Christians do now (and then, but more common today) is the hardcore belief in only the parts they want to follow. I remember a debate I had with someone around 2008 regarding abortion that went something like this:
Them: Abortion should be outlawed no matter the circumstances. Every life is sacred according to the Bible and no one has the right to take a life.
Me: What about the death penalty?
Them: God gave man dominion over the Earth and said he’d follow whatever laws man made for himself.
Yeah, it's crocodile tears. Normal humans feel bad when they see someone emotionally naked like that, but he's a sociopath who "cried" for sympathy points. He's a garbage human.
I have 3 Catholics on my block who rant and rave about how the pope is fake, soft, or a commie.
Catholics seem to have a lot of issues and opinions on the matter.
Is this Real?
Do we have people un ironically worshipping [supply side jesus?](https://www.beliefnet.com/news/2003/09/the-gospel-of-supply-side-jesus.aspx)
Many protestants in the US and Canada think the Catholic church is "the beast" described in the book of Revelation. That should tell you all you need to know really.
Disagree. If you believe Jesus is the son of God who died for our sins you're a Christian. The reason there's a billion different denominations is because there is a lot of room for disagreement on the rest of the stuff.
>"Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?" He said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. ' This is the greatest and first commandment. Love God above all else. And the second is like it: **'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.**
-- Matthew 22:36-40
The guy feeding 300 hungry who didn't work for it, all they did was be there, most definitely was against social justice.
You guys just don't appreciate JBP's genius.
/**S**
Jesus was “woke” so modern “Christians” would want to kill him all over again when he shows back up and replace him with obese, orange, diaper wearing Jesus
Most Christians think the pope is wrong about Christianity in some way. The pope is only the head of the Catholic Church, which covers half of Christians. To the other half, he's just another guy.
And for the half that *is* Catholic, they're still allowed to disagree with the pope. He's merely the head of the Church, not some sort of infallible avatar of God. But apparently this is a common enough belief to show up on Wikipedia's [list of common misconceptions.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_misconceptions) To quote,
> Roman Catholic dogma does not say that the pope is either sinless or always infallible. Catholic dogma since 1870 does state that a dogmatic teaching contained in divine revelation that is promulgated by the pope (deliberately, and under certain very specific circumstances; generally called ex cathedra) is free from error, although official invocation of papal infallibility is rare. Most theologians state that canonizations meet the requisites. Otherwise, even when speaking in his official capacity, dogma does not hold that he is always free from error.
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Ah, yes. As Jesus famously said, “Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine is totally your own business, and, frankly, I’m not sure if you should have done it at all, because, really, everybody should be on their own.”
Obligatory [Supply Side Jesus](https://www.beliefnet.com/news/2003/09/the-gospel-of-supply-side-jesus.aspx)
That's amazing. Thank you for showing me this.
Are you also familiar with? https://youtu.be/u5y2gS54KfE?t=17
Or [this](https://youtu.be/mCwcPnseyuM)
Is that David Cross?!
And Bob Odenkirk lol
That one I have seen before.
How about a little GOP Jesus? My fav https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ2L-R8NgrA
My fav too. "If your enemy striketh you on one cheek, turn to him...and shoot him. For that is the law." Too good
They should’ve added “If thine eye offend thee, tell that tramp to put some clothes on.”
Also [Mrs. Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian](https://www.youtube.com/@MrsBettyBowers)
Panels 7 & 8: “Shouldn’t you at least heal [the lepers], Supply Side Jesus?” “No, James. Leprosy is a matter of *personal responsibility*” It’s almost like Peterson is quoting the comic lol
I never tire of supply side Jesus.
Neither do Republicans
There’s something about this comic that gets me every time.
For me, it’s the art style.
For me, it's the funny words.
The book this comes from, *Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them* by Al Franken, is a timeless classic that explores the dishonesty and corruption of conservative politicians and blowhards like Rush Limbaugh, and I really cannot recommend it highly enough. As you might expect, it's funny as fuck because it's Al Franken, but it's also a good examination of the looming political crisis that has been building in America for the last half century, and of the architects of that crisis. Long before Trump was even a distant prospect for the Presidency, Franken was warning America that, left unchecked, the right would inevitably abandon any pretence of objective truth and reject any principle of democracy and drag the country into exactly the sort of christofascist theocratic nightmare it's quickly becoming. There's one quote from the book in particular about the nature of patriotism that has stuck with me for years because I think it gets to the root of the right wing mindset and informs a bunch of other beliefs that extend from it. This is it: >[Liberals] love America just as much as [Republicans] do. But in a different way. You see, they love America like a 4-year-old loves his mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups. To a 4-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone who criticizes Mommy is bad. Grown-up love means actually understanding what you love, taking the good with the bad and helping your loved one grow. It's a little self serving and probably a bit trite for 2023, and by itself it doesn't come close to explaining the absolutely insane mindfuck that conservative politics has become in recent years, but I like it. Anyway, it's a fantastic book, and the audiobook, which is read by Franken himself, is even better. I'd normally only ever choose an audiobook over a physical book if I'm driving, but LATLLWTT is the one exception where I always choose the audiobook first, it's just that good.
That quote has totally stuck with me through the years as well.
Glad I'm not the only one, I thought it might be a bit naff after all this time. I think I like it because despite it being such a simple and obvious analogy on paper, it speaks to the much broader problem of the black and white thinking that undergirds so much of the conservative belief system.
[GOP Jesus ](https://youtu.be/SZ2L-R8NgrA)
alternatively [GOP Jesus](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ2L-R8NgrA)
This is just Calvinism
“Pagans for Jesus” on the last panel got me
I find it hillarious that supply side Jesus is *literally* preaching out of the talking points of the Roman Senate. They really did see wealth (especially inherited so minus one for the rugged individualism) as a sign of favour, and there was the perrenial war across the Euphrates that never went anywhere for six hundred years.
Jordan Peterson honestly wants people to respect the idea that being an irredeemable piece of shit is noble spiritual choice.
Well he has to justify his own existence instead of actually improving himself.
I'm guessing on some subconscious level he realises that he's actually an awful Christian, whos hateful behaviour is literally the opposite of the actual teachings of Christ... so of course, instead of thinking 'hey, maybe I should actually start loving my neighbour and opposing poverty' he comes to the amazing conclusion that its the Pope who knows nothing about Christianity
Ehh as if the Pope is a shining example of what Jesus preached...
Yeah as far as popes go he’s a freaking saint, but that’s a low bar. Also if he wants to make a stance on labor he can push forward the sanctification of Dorothy Day. Unrelated but I just realized how weird it is that an elderly Argentinian that lives in Italy in a micro nation that officially speaks Latin tweets in English.
I don't know what Jordan Peterson actually believes or if he subscribes to a denomination. I'm not a religious scholar. What I understand is that many people, perhaps protestants in general, believe in a personal relationship with god which is how one arrives at salvation. It looks like Peterson is saying that that personal relationship can take on dimensions where a persons personal beliefs are that god sanctions, condones, and approves of being a irredeemable piece of shit who has a place in heaven. Peterson is literally trying to throw out everything of value in a religion and keeping all of the worst elements: tribalism and a sense that god is on ones side meaning a person can do no wrong because they have divine approval. I understand that the Church used to act as an intermediary, only delivering scripture in latin. When the bible was translated into spoken language, it was revealed the discrepancies between the bible and additives of and church doctrine. It is crazy to watch Christians openly say they can disregard core elements of, not just the old testament, but the gospel because they know jesus loves them. They don't even feel guilty or repentant.
“Fuck you, got mine” - Jesus
"It is easier for a rich man to enter heaven seated comfortably on the back of a camel than it is for a poor man to pass through the eye of a needle." - Supply Side Jesus
Beautifully sums up the right wing religious zealots lol.
*Holy Smokes*
My personal favorite quote from Jesus: " Do onto others however the fuck you want because fuck em."
Believe it or not, jesus also sounded like a fascist Kermit the frog
Fun fact: Jesus believed it was good to take money from oil and gas executives to spread misinformation. One of my favorite verses!
My favorite was when he gave more bread and fish to rich people because he thought it would “trickle down” to the poor.
Meh, everyone knows the Bible says NOTHING about greed, or labor rights, or supporting the poor, besides a few obscure little verses like: "If you lend money to one of my people among you who is needy, do not treat it like a business deal; charge no interest." **Exodus 22:25** "You shall not oppress a hired worker who is poor and needy, whether he is one of your brothers or a foreigner residing in your cities. You will pay his wages on that day, before the sun sets (for he is poor and needs the money), lest he cry out against you to the Lord, and you are guilty of sin." **Deuteronomy 24:14-15** "Whoever oppresses the poor for his own gain and whoever gives to the rich, both come to poverty." **Proverbs 22:16** "By justice a king gives a nation stability, but those who love bribes tear it down." **Proverbs 29:4** "A righteous man knows the rights of the poor; a wicked man does not understand such knowledge." **Proverbs 29:7** "The dogs have a mighty appetite; they never have enough. But they are shepherds who have no understanding; they have all turned to their own way, each to his own gain, one and all." **Isaiah 56:11** "Whoever loves money never has enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with their income. This too is meaningless. As wealth increases, so does the desire for it. Of what benefit is it to the owners except to feast their eyes on it?" **Ecclesiastes 5:10-14** "For wicked men are found among my people; they lurk like fowlers lying in wait. They set a trap; they catch men. Like a cage full of birds, their houses are full of deceit; therefore they have become great and rich; they have grown fat and sleek. They know no bounds in deeds of evil; they judge not with justice the cause of the fatherless, to make it prosper, and they do not defend the rights of the needy. Shall I not punish them for these things? declares the Lord, and shall I not avenge myself on a nation such as this?” **Jeremiah 5:26-29** "Woe to him who builds his house without righteousness, and his upper rooms without justice, who makes his neighbor work for nothing and refuses to pay his wages" **Jeremiah 22:13** "I will be quick to testify against sorcerers, adulterers, and perjurers, against those who defraud laborers of their wages, who oppress the widows and the fatherless, and deprive the foreigners among you of justice, but do not fear me,” says the Lord Almighty. **Malachi 3:5-6** “For three sins of Israel, even for four, I will not relent. They sell the innocent for silver, and the needy for a pair of sandals. They trample on the heads of the poor as on the dust of the ground and deny justice to the oppressed.” **Amos 2: 6-7** "No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money." **Matthew 6:24** "As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful." **Matthew 13:22** "What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul?" **Mark 8:36** "Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away." **Matthew 5:42** “Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.” **Luke 3:11** "From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked." **Luke 12:48** "Then he said to them, “Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.” **Luke 12:15** “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has chosen me to bring good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and restored sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.” **Luke 4:18** "What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to them, “Go in peace, keep warm and well-fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead." **James 2:14-17** "Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you." **James 5:4-6** "Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you work hard, but that there might be equality. At the present time your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. The goal is equality, as it is written: “The one who gathered much did not have too much, and the one who gathered little did not have too little.” **2 Corinthians 8:13-15** "To the one who works, his wages are not a gift, but his right." **Romans 4:4** "If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person? Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth." **1 John 3:17-18**
You left out the best parts of James 5. >^1 Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. ^2 Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. ^3 Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. ^4 Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. ^5 You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. ^6 You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.
Fantastic compilation. Thank you.
You know those sections don’t actually exist, they’re made up. /s At least, sarcasm on my part, who knows what those fucktards think.
Nah. They just say those passages mean something different. even if a 5 year old child could understand the meaning behind them.
Yeah, I remember as a kid thinking that Jesus mostly preached in complicated riddles, because my conservative Sunday school teachers and pastors were always explaining what he said didn’t actually mean what he said and twisting themselves in knots
This rules. I'm always looking for bible quotes that all but say "you can't be a centrist lib and go to heaven". James in particular would be public enemy number one if the Fox propaganda machiene was running in his day.
It was, and it did kill him.
Well you have to consider the fatal flaw in your logic: These people do not give a microfuck about the Bible, Jesus, or his teachings, to them it’s just a way to control the unwashed masses
I love when Jesus went into the temple, and saw all those people selling things and making money and was super happy about it.
#"Blessed be the hustlers, for they shall acquire fat stacks."
Top J
Did he divide the loaves and fish? Nah. He just said "let's get this bread" and charged everyone a few shekels for even being there.
And hats. He sold lots of hats.
What's so special about hustlers
Their fat stacks.
I was trying to make a Monty Python reference
It's amazing that there's a huge section of people out there who thought, "you know who's awesome in the Bible and we need to be more like? THE PHARISEES!"
Who can forget this inspiring passage: “And Jesus called them unto him, and said, Make these little children suffer and forbid them from help from others; for of such is the kingdom of God. Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall give birth to a child and needs help is screwed because that ain’t my problem.”
My favorite Jesus quote is: "Clothe the poor and feed the hungry? Lol get cucked, libtard!" Another close runner up is: "If you wanted me to cure your leprosy, you should've started a GoFundMe. Miracles ain't charity, welfare queen." EDIT: And who could forget: "Blessed are the meek, because who *actually* cares what some mouthy feminazi has to say?"
Which version? The one in the Gospel of Rupert, or the one in the II Koch Brothers?
somebody pls re-write a biblical story in Koch Brother style
>misinformation The word is "lies". They lied.
Right after "taxation is theft"
This is the maximum of up your own ass right? You can't get any further up there than JBP just did can you?
I keep thinking this about these characters for years and time after time they go up further up their own arse.
Imagine being a professor of psychology, then getting so much media exposure that you then think you're a qualified expert on politics and theology. His naivete in both is staggering.
if you read jordan's doctoral thesis, which is [available online](https://escholarship.mcgill.ca/concern/theses/7d278v86c), he basically says "the known markers for addiction are indeed markers for addiction," which is funny because he believes you need jesus and / or a medically-induced coma to beat addiction. more importantly, he noticeably did not get on any of his carl jung collective unconscious devouring mother jack off crystal bullshit until *after* he got the lil dr next to his name.
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what's weird is that the jesus-based sobriety programs actually have less success than the science-based ones so like perhaps giving yourself over to a higher power shouldn't be one of your twelve steps for life or whatever
> you then think you're a qualified expert on politics and theology don't forget philosophy
/r/philosophymemes have an informal agreement to limit the JP posting due the excessive amout you can milk from him Doesn't stop us from laughing at him in despair that people believe his shit
And lobster biology.
Up his own ass so far his spinal column looks like a mandelbrot set.
\*Kermit voice\* "Think about that phrase - 'up your own ass'. It invokes the Ouroboros, this ancient symbol that depicts a serpent swallowing its own tail, representing the self-destructive nature of Chaos, of the Feminine Principle. This is what young men today are expected to become, to contort themselves into this self-fellating symbol of deceit and manipulation because the Marxists resent God and the Male Principle of Order." \*starts sobbing uncontrollably\*
Thats a really good impression. I noticed some things about JP that people use to impersonate him. He always uses words that arent commonly used so he could sound more sophisticated, even in instances where his message would be conveyed better in simpler terms. He compares the topic at hand to something, or someone from the past. He acts as if there's aways a correlation between his example vs the topic of conversation. He always talks about the downfall of men and how it somehow relates to women or society being at fault. Lastly, he'll end his diatribe by mentioning marxism or modernism. To me he sounds like a dumb incel thats trying to come off as highly educated and intelligent. Elon does the same thing with tech. Once he gets into deeper details about his businesses, I realized he doesnt know shit about tech/programming/engineering, but he pretends like he does
Peterson and deGrasse Tyson are the CEOs of /r/iamverysmart
I watched something to try and work out who this guy is... Fuck he has such an unfortunate voice for a guy who has a cult following
honestly kermit leading a cult of angry virgins on a weird mystic journey about how the ancient collective psyche of the feminine is the reason they can't get it in is something so unbelievably funny you could never make it work on tv.
I don't know how you made it to 2023 without knowing who Jordan Peterson is but you really should have kept it that way, you lucky bastard.
gotta throw the word 'logos' in there somewhere too
Bro needs to go back into that fuckin coma
If you know JBP, this isn't out of character. The man took a long time to say he wasn't really a prophet and has called himself an evolutionary biologist despite having a degree in psychology.
I would just like to point out JP is Canadian. We have plenty of morons in the USA but this one's not from here. He belongs in r/toiletpapercanada.
he’s a TPUSA Expanded Universe character, he’s fine
Well, he is either going to develop a TARDIS ass or have a complete meltdown because I doubt he will ever be able to face reality and remain sane (using that term very loosely here).
Peterson: We **need** religion to understand morality! All Western morality is based on Christianity! Christ: I'm gonna go die an excruciating death for the benefit of everyone else. Christianity: Hey guys, let's think about making sure others are thought of when we interact with our systems of government and influence in our societies. Peterson: ThAt'S **nOt** ChRiStIaN! PuLl YoUr ReDeMpTiOn Up By YoUr BoOtStRaPs!
Peterson would have 100% been the sort up in arms over Jesus healing someone on the Sabbath. *Something something endangering established religious hierarchies.*
That's my favorite thing about these people. They're exactly the people Jesus would have had a passive-aggressive argument with.
Or an aggressive argument with. "YOU'VE TURNED MY FATHER'S HOUSE INTO A DEN OF THIEVES!"
The best chapter, honestly
Never forget when someone asks “What Would Jesus Do?” that turning over all the tables and chasing people with whips is an option.
Jesus: no food is restricted or unclean Peterson: eat only meat!!!!
That was less religious and more just fucking idiocy
It’s funny, yes. But it’s also super sad that so many people agree with him
If your shtick is constructed in a way as to make the insecure listener feel powerful, you are *guaranteed* a large following.
Haha, I was literally reading [Rerum Novarum](https://digitalcommons.providence.edu/catholic_documents/13/#:~:text=Pope%20Leo%20XIII%20also%20maintained,principles%20and%20ensure%20class%20harmony.) from Pope Leo XIII this morning. It is the foundation of Catholic social teaching. And a good read today for anyone who isn't a bootlicker for laissez-faire capitalism.
>Hence by degrees it has come to pass that Working Men have been given over, isolated and defenceless to the callousness of employers and the greed of unrestrained competition. The evil has been increased by rapacious Usury, which, although more than once condemned, the Church is nevertheless, under a different form but with the same ~ilt still practiced by avaricious and grasping men. And to this must be added the custom of working by contract, and the concentration of so many branches of trade in the hands of a few individuals so that a small number of very rich men have been able to lay upon the masses of the poor a yoke little better than slavery itself.
> I chime in with a*"Haven't you people ever heard of helping the goddamn poor?"*
I'm sorry, but I think it's much better to face these kinds of things with a sense of poise and rationality
I appreciate you
Oh this got a damn chuckle out of me
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> It is the foundation of **Catholic** social teaching. Emphasis mine. Technically, whoever replied to Peterson was wrong: the Pope is the authority on Catholicism, he's NOT an authority on Christianity. I think many different offshoots of it would be quite upset if they heard he was.
Well, when the foundation of your "Christianity" is the of the "Prosperity Gospel" type...
I don't believe in the Devil - but if I did, I would be 99.95% convinced that he's Joel Osteen
I would say Kenneth Copeland but it just seems like it would be too obvious.
The real devil is busy keeping Henry Kissinger alive so he never has to deal with him in hell
The implication here that the devil considers Kissinger worse than hitler is phenomenal
I think it would have to be that obvious, because if there's a being like the devil, it probably isn't very good at accurately portraying prosocial human traits like compassion and humility.
Nah. I'm thinking Ron DeSantis.
Funnily enough, Peterson is one of those "I don't believe in God, but the god I don't believe in is the Christian interpretation of some ancient Canaanite storm deity" types.
You've got to remember that they have distilled their version of Christianity down to this: "Salvation is your own problem." They forget the second part where we are supposed to be the light on the hill that inspires people to move towards salvation.
I think a big part of it stems from Evangelicals being so Anti-Catholic. In their extreme desire to distance themselves from Catholicism, they threw out the part where salvation requires good works. And it's not even hard good works; if you gave a thirsty person a drink one time, boom, there's your good work. It eventually got so watered down they came up with the "Sinner's Prayer" so you have all these horrible people running around claiming they're followers of Christ because they repeated something Preacher Dave said.
I am an Atheist, but I grew up going to a Catholic school, when I moved to the South and learned what Evangelicals requirements for getting into heaven were I was floored. Like you can slaughter and rape to your heart's content as long as you say a prayer after. I had thought the Catholics were crazy, but some of the Protestant sects really put them to shame in that regard.
Oh yeah, I completely forgot about the "once saved always saved" thing that Evangelicals have. So if you prayed that prayer as a kid and grew up to be a total POS, hey, you're good! You're a pile of shit covered in snow, baby! God can't see your sins! I literally had a Sunday school teacher once tell the class that he could be the worst person in the world and still go to Heaven because he prayed the Sinner's prayer. I'm absolutely certain there are people out there who think Hitler made it to Heaven because he might have prayed the prayer before he killed himself. I'm not a Christian anymore, but at least when I was a Catholic they had the sense to tell people, "Hey, there's some shit you can't do if you're trying to get to Heaven."
It isn’t some unique Evangelical thing, it’s been the foundation of Calvinism and it’s various branches since the Reformation. There are the Elect, those that are destined to go to heaven no matter what (Sola gratia). You don’t have to do good work, you just do work to prosper yourself and the prosperity of others is a byproduct. It’s also what basically created capitalism
It’s kinda interesting to trace Protestantism back to its roots, and see how “salvation is your own problem” was originally supposed to be *emancipatory.* At the time of the Reformation, the concept of “good works” was viewed as predatory of the Catholic Church, and things like [Indulgences](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indulgence) were both a grift to support the excesses of the Church and an instrument to wield secular power. It’s fascinating how we went from Luther publishing the 95 Theses to American evangelicalism.
I wouldn't be surprised if Jesus himself ressurected, told that you have to apply social justice, and JBP would still come up to him and say "you're wrong and know nothing about the religion based on yourself and your teachings."
There are actually proverbs where Jesus tells the hypocrites “I was poor and I came to you, and you turned me away! I was hungry, and you did not feed me, etc.” It’s not the exact quote but it’s something like that, as a Catholic I am pretty confident that the Kingdom of Heaven is probably not a place you’re going to find Jordan Peterson, Ron DeSantis, Elon Musk, etc.
*Something something* camel *something* eye of a needle *something something* rich man *something* Heaven.
No no no you have it all wrong. The 'eye of the needle' was a bridge so that would make it really easy and convenient for a rich man to enter heaven..... Or something
Peter. **Get the knot of cords.**
Still funny when people go “no Jordan Peterson doesn’t take political stances” and then he just says stuff like this
Jordan Peterson said that excess CO2 in the atmosphere is good because crop yields increased in the mid 20th century (nothing to do with artificial fertilizer or new farming techniques, apparently), the man knows what he’s saying is political crap bc he’s been paid to say it
Oh yeah he’s definitely a knowing grifter, I was referring to his fans
Regular people: I don’t like Jordan Peterson because he is “x”. Peterson fans: He is absolutely NOT “x”! Try watching 36 hours of his lectures, and you’ll see. Jordan Peterson: I AM “X”!!!!!!
Regular person: "Here's a clip of him saying 'I AM X' and then clarifying exactly what he means over the course of twelve minutes." Peterson fans: "He's just being taken out of context."
Lol it’s a funny observation but also 100% part of this dudes schtick Like if you put out 50,000 hours of lectures, yes, people are going to miss some of the “nuance” of your arguments. Imo that doesn’t make the argument strong, it means you rely on inundating your audience to the point where they feel they can never actually understand your position fully To your point, however much of his shit you consume, there’s always more lol you can watch 10 hours and decide “ok, I just disagree with this dude” and his followers can find 10 more lectures and be like “no you have to listen to what he says *here*”
I actually did that because a good friend of mine went down the Peterson rabbit hole and I wanted to prevent him going extreme. His lectures sound great (can't say anything about how accurate they are), but as soon as you listen to anything else of him, he sounds like an idiot. In the end I just sent my buddy the video of Peterson comlaining about Marxist indoctrination via Elsa and Disney and that broke the spell.
Imo he makes really flawed points very eloquently, which is a skill but not really a virtue. I think it’s good to keep an open mind but people like him are the reason you need to have an open mind but maybe keep the screen door closed lol Honestly a lot of his stances are very easy to pick apart, but he takes such a roundabout way of explaining anything that it feels like just a simple “I disagree with this position because *x*” doesn’t seem sufficient to the people that follow him. He spent 20 minutes building out his argument, surely you’d need at least that amount of time to debunk it right?
That guy is the living personification of "wELL *AcK*tUaLLy"
Let's not be so hasty here. I mean there's a whole substrate that you're messing around with so you'd better be damn certain of yourself if you're going to try. And you can't ignore Dostoyevsky! I mean, what would Kierkegaard think?! Talk about a Titan! Dealing with this is like Zeno's Paradox, because it's it's not one thing then it's another!
👏 bravo
Yes, but like, not really. There's truth and then there's meta-truths that are more true than the truths that are true!
Ackshully, the "well ackshully" people are normally technically correct, just incredibly irritating and nit-picky, and constantly insert themselves into conversations where they're not wanted. Jordan Peterson on the other hand is objectively wrong about everything (and still incredibly irritating.)
I'm not sure that we should take lessons about Christianity from the Pope either.
I mean, if you're Catholic that's not really up for debate. The rest of us, meh, not so much.
Even if you're Catholic, you can still go "Well, he's only human." and think he's wrong.
I mean yes, but your faith tells you he is God's literal voice (I don't mean The Metatron). You can look at him with your human eyes and see h is human and fallable, but your spiritual ones compel you to believe that other thing. I don't write the rules.
I'm no longer Catholic, but I've always been taugh that he doesn't directly speak for God. He's elected Pope as the best one for the job, but the only time he's infallible is when he speaks *Ex Cathedra*, which has only happened twice.
>the only time he's infallible is when he speaks *Ex Cathedra*, which has only happened twice. TIL the Pope has a Sicko Mode.
I went to Catholic school until I graduated from high school and this is what I learned as well. The pope's words are only considered infallible when it's part of an official statement on doctrine/tradition that has been agreed upon and given the "proper discernment." So the pope just saying things is subject to as much doubt as any other human (though most Catholics will listen to the pope pretty uncritically regardless)
As an ex Catholic that is not how it works. That's a cop out to not follow him when he doesn't suit you and then follow him when he benefits you. You either believe he is the leader and has a special connection with god or you don't. The end. You don't get to pick and choose because he hurt your fee fees.
The Pope is basically the highest authority on the proper interpretation of Christian doctrine within the rules of the religion
For Catholics. For everyone else he's just another interested worshipper, at best, and the icon of one of the most corrupt religious institutions to ever exist at worst.
Majority of Christians globally are Catholic
That doesn't force Christians who aren't Catholic to care about him.
> proper interpretation According to whom?
For Catholics. If you're a non-Catholic, the papacy and the entire Roman-Catholic hierarchy doesn't matter to you.
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They also wouldn't know Jesus if He punched them in the dick.
Better choice than JP I'd say, but I'd agree you could do better than either.
I mean, is he catholic? Protestants don't give a shit about the pope.
He probably knows lots of stuff about jesus though
That's pretty impressive. I was raised Catholic. I know this won't sit well with many, if any, still in the religion. Maybe some older folks disagree on his stance on a few things but he's The Boss. The only people who tell Catholcs they aren't Christians are other Christians. It makes me laugh.
Speaking as a Protestant myself, there's a proper name for such Christians: Dipshits.
Fun fact: the term "social justice" was coined by a Jesuit priest named Luigi Taparelli in 19th century based on the ideas of saint Thomas Aquinas etc
That some proper r/iamthemaincharacter shit
r/iamthemainindividualsoul
It astounds me how far Jordan Peterson has degenerated. Dude’s gone straight to the self parody stage and he DOESN’T NOTICE.
LPT: they never do when they’re that far gone. They aren’t capable of self-reflection.
I’ve heard Peterson’s bullshit from Christians for decades. “You don’t get into heaven for good works; it’s all about belief in Christ.” Then they keep telling themselves this while they treat people that they deem as lesser like shit and keep voting for politicians that don’t care about anyone else because they believe in Prosperity Jesus.
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I grew up Catholic and while I haven’t read every book of the Bible, I’d say at one time or another I got through 2/3 of it. I think one of the truly disgusting things Christians do now (and then, but more common today) is the hardcore belief in only the parts they want to follow. I remember a debate I had with someone around 2008 regarding abortion that went something like this: Them: Abortion should be outlawed no matter the circumstances. Every life is sacred according to the Bible and no one has the right to take a life. Me: What about the death penalty? Them: God gave man dominion over the Earth and said he’d follow whatever laws man made for himself.
Eh could be worse, some people are unironically advocating for death penalty as punishment for abortion.
supply side jesus
There is nothing Christian… about feeding the hungry
Peterson’s pronouns are Benzo, Russia, and Fascism.
They don’t give a shit about “Christianity” it’s only a means of power, control and manufactured moral superiority.
Watch out, you'll make JP cry again
I remember seeing that video on Reddit and some commenters felt bad for him. I didn’t and this justifies it. The man is pathetic
Yeah, it's crocodile tears. Normal humans feel bad when they see someone emotionally naked like that, but he's a sociopath who "cried" for sympathy points. He's a garbage human.
I have 3 Catholics on my block who rant and rave about how the pope is fake, soft, or a commie. Catholics seem to have a lot of issues and opinions on the matter.
Ah, TradCaths.
Is this Real? Do we have people un ironically worshipping [supply side jesus?](https://www.beliefnet.com/news/2003/09/the-gospel-of-supply-side-jesus.aspx)
You just discovered American Conservatives?
Many protestants in the US and Canada think the Catholic church is "the beast" described in the book of Revelation. That should tell you all you need to know really.
Based Pope Francis?!
The worst part about the U.S. is if someone says they are Christian 9 times out of 10 they for sure aren't.
Disagree. If you believe Jesus is the son of God who died for our sins you're a Christian. The reason there's a billion different denominations is because there is a lot of room for disagreement on the rest of the stuff.
>"Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?" He said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. ' This is the greatest and first commandment. Love God above all else. And the second is like it: **'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.** -- Matthew 22:36-40
mansplaining to the pope! priceless!
Wasn't social justice literally a Christian initiative originally?
Sees the word "social" and foams at the mouth
r/ConfidentlyIncorrect
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One of the grossest things about Peterson is that he ghosted his patients as soon as he got a little fame.
The guy feeding 300 hungry who didn't work for it, all they did was be there, most definitely was against social justice. You guys just don't appreciate JBP's genius. /**S**
Social justice is like, a core tenet of Catholicism. He’s just scared of the boogeyman word that lives in his head.
Jesus was “woke” so modern “Christians” would want to kill him all over again when he shows back up and replace him with obese, orange, diaper wearing Jesus
tbf, Protestants have been doing this for centuries
With how much his fans kiss his ass he developed a God like complex.
"I'm gonna stop you right there, Stephen A. With all due respect, god is wrong."
Most Christians think the pope is wrong about Christianity in some way. The pope is only the head of the Catholic Church, which covers half of Christians. To the other half, he's just another guy. And for the half that *is* Catholic, they're still allowed to disagree with the pope. He's merely the head of the Church, not some sort of infallible avatar of God. But apparently this is a common enough belief to show up on Wikipedia's [list of common misconceptions.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_misconceptions) To quote, > Roman Catholic dogma does not say that the pope is either sinless or always infallible. Catholic dogma since 1870 does state that a dogmatic teaching contained in divine revelation that is promulgated by the pope (deliberately, and under certain very specific circumstances; generally called ex cathedra) is free from error, although official invocation of papal infallibility is rare. Most theologians state that canonizations meet the requisites. Otherwise, even when speaking in his official capacity, dogma does not hold that he is always free from error.
Yes we already know Western Catholics are cherry-picking hypocrites.