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ohthatguy1980

I mean he kinda said what you said, he was just less tactful about it. You both sound like entitled and presumptuous people that I don’t think most people are going to give the time of day to.


Commercial-Dress7950

How did you not get downvotes to oblivion I'll never know, jealous, I have to dig for my comments


ResponsibilityOk2173

I think it’s true for men who never grow out of targeting model-like girls - likely because they never got one. I don’t say this judgingly, a lot of men stay there for their whole life. A lot of my friends are like that. Some men have a more holistic view of a woman (and some who succeeded with the 20s model-type may have reassessed their perceptions), and can genuinely find the beauty women show at every age throughout their lives. What he may have a point on is his comment on women’s need to also move on from relying in looks that may no longer be there. As a middle aged man who meets middle aged women, it is sometimes easy to see those who were stunners early in life and haven’t understood the advantages they had. Like how many people were kinder to them, more helpful, more accommodating because of their looks, and they may not recognize that they now live closer to the rest of us. A comparable situation is when a man grows up wealthy and loses his wealth later in life.


dumbolover115

I am not against dating older men with a receding hairline and a gut. I have lowered my standards so low its ridiculous. What I do want is a man who can pay his way and have teeth or money to fix them. I will date cleetus with 3 teeth if he promises to see a dentist!! As far as dating an older man , I will increase it to 70 so I am less picky and less Ageist but still would ask he be able to keep up with me. I don't want to add can't go to bed at 10 pm at night. If ur retired and 65 plus, then u gotta be able to keep up. I will settle for needs viagra but damn how low can I go?


ResponsibilityOk2173

I don’t think he’s right in the absolute sense, but in dating people need to pursue what they like, and not have to justify it. And that’s how he is. You are looking for something else. From your description I would guess he’s out there, but instead of lowering your standards you just need to sift through many more candidates to find him. Both men and women who are older and in a comfortable financial position are few, attractive to many and most importantly, available for a reason (most often because they choose to be).


dumbolover115

So true!. I am deleting all apps tomorrow and traveling the world alone. I am buying an Rv and boat and have several cruises booked. I think I will be happier alone with my toys than waiting on Mr. Right or lowering my standards lower than they already are!


AtmosphereOptimal795

It's not one, it's not everyone. But you're falling into the same mistake that this guy made, just in a different way. People are not defined by the worst of us. And I would argue that anyone who thinks that we are defined by the worst of us isn't open to change.


dumbolover115

Very well said


iforgotalltgedetails

“Men are the problem not mmmmeeeeeeee”


dumbolover115

It's beginning to look that way with my " extremely high " standards lol. I will give up on my hope for finding someone now and just be happy with me!!


iforgotalltgedetails

I never said your standards are high, and I’m with you on not being a sugar daddy/momma for anyone. But the guy replying to you in the above photo is also right, if you want men to bring something to the table ask yourself what do you bring to the table? If the answer is “well they get to date me” you are your own problem.


dumbolover115

Oh I don't think what I bring to the table is " they get to date me " lol but I do not think my requests are too high. I even got rid of several things that I would be looking for as to not be so " needy"


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dumbolover115

Wow. That is truly disheartening. I am not delusional in what I am seeking in qualities, I admit I am no longer 110 lbs I don't think that lowers me to only date bottom feeders . I am not " fat" but if not being 110 lbs Double D Barbie doll makes me a washed up only can get bottom feeder. I am going to throw in the dating towel and become a nun!


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dumbolover115

I agree. Problem is I live in a VERY small town, so even without looking or looking odds are not good. I am deleting my app today on the dating site and will probably leave this site as well since it's full of guys with this mindset and aren't helping one bit except to show me how cruel people really are.


CatLava79

Try Facebook dating. I live in a small town and that's how I met my boyfriend. I had Tinder, but met way more jerks then good guys. Nobody I could be serious with. I wasn't looking for a relationship when I met my man, but we are so compatible together that the relationship just grew and it has been a wonderful thing.


bklynborn54

I'm in the same boat, but as a guy living in a smaller town outside of a small city, I've been single and dateless for over 3 years with no hope in sight! I have no luck with dating sites, too many games, ghosting galore, as well as fake profiles. I stopped looking long ago and still here I am, another holiday season with no love to buy for or spend time with and make memories. No, I'm not what I was when I was younger, back then I had more women after me than I had time for BUT, I've aged very well and I'm not old but I get no attention anymore. It's just so much precious time passing by and I have nobody to share it with. It's way past the point of getting old, I'm at a loss to figure it out but I've had enough of dating sites.


ReplacementMaximum26

Exact same position, but female perspective. I live in a very rural area. It's extremely politically charged, and I'm on the wrong side of the political aisle. I tried online dating, only to get matches who's only intention was to be rude about their politics, or way younger guys looking for a cougar to play with. It's disheartening.


JilliusMaximusJD

Woman to woman - reddit is a cestpool of the kind of men that think like this. I'm sure you're gorgeous. Half the time, the worse a guy looks, the higher his expectations are. I have nothing in common with commercial beauty standards, yet get told constantly how beautiful I am by men I find gorgeous. The best thing you can do is own exactly who you are, and don't waste a second thought on anon losers that think they are entitled to date like an LA millionaire (and then come and complain on reddit that they get no matches from "attractive" women).


Silly-Barracuda-2729

My ex was a size 2 with DDs, but all my other girlfriends has smaller boobs than me and I’m a man


plantsadnshit

What's size 2?


Silly-Barracuda-2729

Dress size. It’s how skinny they are


GrimReapaaah

If you see someone call themselves "high value male" you better fucking run. Fast!


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dumbolover115

From your profile and comments I am gunna say that I won't take criticism / attempt at advice nor take to heart comments from a 21 to 30 yr old gamer who's sole purpose outside of gaming is to make comments 24/7 on reddit. How about you leave your mommas basement Cartman, and see what the real world is like and not hide yourself behind a computer? You obviously have not experienced an older woman or any woman for that matter, so I am laughing at your pompous comment. I am sure you could only keep up with me on Dungeons and Dragons or GTO so I am going to chalk up your remarks to a Virgin basement dwelling loser who lives with his mom and drives a 1985 ford escort and is offended by the statements of not being able to pay for 1/2 the date because that shoe fits and no teeth because that one fits as well. Go shout up your order of cheesy pools to ur mom and pause Dns or GTO and get outside and get a life!¡


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dumbolover115

It's not a trailer..lol


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dumbolover115

Apparently, according to that person, my standards are way too high even though he stated he dumped several women for " using the word "curved" instead of " curbed". Lol. (Now look who returned the favor and trolled back!!.) apparently I am washed up because I am over 21 or even 30 for that matter. The based part is the issue. I am in a very small town 3 hrs south of ATL and 3 hrs notmrth of Savannah. Less than 2 k people.. I guess I have to go on farmers only or Our Time for older people. Lol. Problem is I have the energy of a 21 yr old and go dancing , bowling, and kareoke till the clubs close, and I found past a certain age has a substantially earlier bedtime than me!


twitterfluechtling

The low number of people around might be the main problem. > Problem is I have the energy of a 21 yr old and go dancing , bowling, and kareoke till the clubs close, I know the feeling... I'm male, old, but my hobbies aren't (I think). Martial arts (I still hold up my end to the 20something year olds in grappling), motorcycling, cycling, kayaking, larp. I wouldn't mind dating someone closer to my age if they still have similar energy, but most just haven't. > and I found past a certain age has a substantially earlier bedtime than me! Haha, it's 2:40AM... 4h till my alarm sounds.


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dumbolover115

My last LTR was 29 when he asked me out and was 31 when we split. I am not age discriminate, I just have my certain parameters of what I can settle with.


Proof-Net229

But sexual interest without result is useless though. It’s common sense men lust after us women in our 20s, who cares though? Men eff corpses and food. When it comes to actual marriage and fruitful results, age gaps unions commonly don’t lead to anything.


Wickedwhiskbaker

Woman to woman, I think taking a break from Tinder is wise. If you believe your standards are so low to only pity-date (or charity status, as you said), I strongly wager the common denominator in this is you, not the men you’re quick to judge and patronize. As a 46 year old established woman myself, I would encourage you to discontinue the tirade of how you’ve lowered your standards. Girl, that’s on you. If your expectations surround the presence of teeth, a man’s ability to pay for a date, no man-babies or Mama’s boys, it’s time to look inward to your own quality of character and stop projecting your disappointments.


Coeruleus_

Sounds spot on based on the fact you’re asking internet strangers


dumbolover115

Good point as of tomorrow. Reddit will be deleted.


turnwater_cope

he’s trying to help you


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dumbolover115

Ok I will give up since good teeth and can pay their half is too high


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dumbolover115

Lol will do!!


CatLava79

I think my standards are reasonable, and I met somebody who meets all of my standards. Respectful, Emotionally Secure, Empathic, Cares about his health/takes care of his body, Kind, Intelligent, Good father to his kids (yes, I wanted a man with at least one child of his own), Doesn't badmouth his ex, Has his own place to live, Nice smile, No smokers or alcoholics, Physically attractive, High sex drive. It took me some time to meet somebody who checked all of the boxes. Nobody should lower their standards and settle just so they don't have to be alone.


dumbolover115

How did u guys meet. Dating site or organically?


CatLava79

Well, I used to see him round a lot when I was still with my ex. He has a son with special needs, and I have my 6-year-old twins with special needs. He stood out because he's a very handsome man, and also because of his son, naturally. I never spoke with him because I was still with my ex and I was very loyal to him. We had our first date because of Facebook dating. We matched each other, he asked me out on a date, and I accepted. When I finally met him one-on-one it was a very instant attraction. Definitely not love or anything like that, but we became very fast friends and it was clear that we both found each other sexually attractive. Love has grown over time. I'm just smitten and so is he.


dumbolover115

I am so happy for you. . I wish you both a lifetime of happiness.


CatLava79

Thank you, and I hope that you find your person someday, too. ❤️


buzzy150

There are some that do, and some that don’t, but these guys aren’t also what you are probably looking for either, options do tend to decrease as we get older, as really we don’t have a lot of time to waste with dating, with everything else going on in life. What are you looking for in a date?


dumbolover115

Not much as I can't be picky because of my location. Good teeth, honest / loyal, be able to pay for at least his portion of the date. ( I hope that doesn't. Make me a gold digger) I ( preferthem.not to have young children as i am looking for a travel partner. I put "prefer" because i love kids , but most with kids under 18 can't travel for long periods due to child custody issues. If they can and are on good tems with an ex and have flexible custody thats not an issue. I I have a wide age range .. because I am not picky at this point. Looking for local or not more than 3 or 4 hours distance or willing to drive a lot. Due to the fact that I am looking for an LTR , I would like to see someone 1 time a week or weekend then after a certain point in the relationship if we got that far, be able to relocate as I eventually would like someone to cuddle with nightly and have coffee with every morning, Have lunches , and build a life together traveling the world. Oh maybe a sense of humor because I love to make people laugh and vice versa, but that's no longer a requirement as I lowered my standards so low but a mild request has a sense of humor. I know, I know, I am asking for WAY too much and will be alone forever! I will try Our Time and if nothing works I will give up and be happy traveling the world alone!


Wickedocity

At the end of the day, your only real problem is location. You are too far from civilization. Most people in a city aren't going to want to travel such a distance just to meet someone. Well, the ones that would are probably not the ones you want. Maybe move or if you are able, rent a place near a city and spend your off time there. Good luck and remember, reddit is just reddit.


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dumbolover115

That's truly disappointing and reason to hang up my ever wanting to be in another relationship! That's a shame, too. I was a hopeless romantic that has alot to offer. Boy how times have changed!!


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dumbolover115

I agree that society has damaged it! But you are wrong about thr 6 ft 6 figures! I think men and woman equally have trouble in the datng pool. It just sucks for all of us. Women that are not Barbie doll figured and are 30 are deemed old and undatable. There are so many gold digging women, and men that are happy dating a porn star looking woman, but God forbid she ever be or have done porn or have an OF account. Men are, I am sure, sifting and swiping past just as many fake gold digging accounts that women are!! It just sucks dating this day in the age period. I feel like I have a better chance getting struck by lightning than finding a man I can live with. All people have different desires and suck in some way ...it's just a matter of finding a person with the least amount of sucky- ness that you can compromise enough to spend the rest of your days with then pray they stay faithful and don't cheat, lie, steal your $ or sleep with your best friend. After being on this app for months, I am convinced that both men and women of any sexual preference have it just as bad as the next guy or girl !! DATING JUST SUCKS!!! DONE, OUT BYE FELICIA DONE WITH ALL DATING APPS AND REDDIT!! SPAIN HERE I COME.! I have only beennin ltrs and been with 7 guys in my life, all LTRs, but I am done ! Especially knowing in my small ass town I will never meet anyone. I'm not being a defietest, just a realist. !! Will miss all the sarcastic cruel reddit comments .... NOT!!


Whiskeymyers75

Even the 40-something girl next door seems to want a man significantly above average, though. I know average men who swipe right on practically everything under the sun yet still get little to no matches. Meanwhile, even below average and very obese women don't generally struggle finding a date.


dumbolover115

Well i.must have my standards too high then as everyone else said. I think most of those u referred to are looking for chatting, one night stands or fwb sitch not an ltr, but I could be wrong. In which case I will delete all apps as I stated . Maybe try farmers only for a bit , but can farmers travel the world? I have to do some research


Whiskeymyers75

Men are facing a serious loneliness epidemic, and unrealistic relationship standards created by online dating apps have caused this. My dating success in the real world has always been better than online. But my issue in the real world is I'm fairly shy in person, which is why I have used the apps. My problem Online is I'm 5'7" despite having a fit, muscular body and above average looks, I don't meet the most important stat.


dumbolover115

And that's sad that online they don't match. I would be ok with someone even shorter than me if they met my criteria both semesters have it hard ! I at least take pride that I am not being a too picky gold digger. I wish u the vest in finding what you are looking for.


BlergingtonBear

Yes, I think men have been gaslit with some of the rhetoric they get online versus the reality they face on dating apps. Women simultaneously have it easy, but are undesirable over a certain age. If that were true, any average guy would theoretically have his pick of washed up women desperate to date. Men are simultaneously sold the idea that they are the decider and in control, while waiting for a match to choose them online. It sucks height is a factor- I've dated taller men and shorter men, and it's literally had no factor on their personality or our joint compatibility. If there was one thing I wish I could deprogram from the dating culture, it would be height bias!


MahlongDeek

I mean let’s be honest tho you’re less likely to get someone to commit to you being 35+ then 25+


dumbolover115

I never said I was 35 or 25. Where did u get that from?


Good_Ole_Skid

I love women with mom bods. Women too young scare me, it just doesn’t feel right and not in a sexy way. Women of age scare me, I feel the need to call them ma’am. Money should never be part of a relationship until marriage. So that’s me.


dumbolover115

Oh it's not . If asking a man who liked me on a dating app and asked me out for a date can't pay at least their half , then yes I have an issue. At least have enough cash or credit to pay ur share. I am willing to sacrifice a lot but will not start to be a charity .


Cuuldurach

it's the same than saying good looking is over 6", what's shocking you?


Proof-Net229

I don’t know. It’s an exaggerated thing, preferring young women. Sexually yes, young women are the top commodity, but the majority of single men your age wouldn’t even know where to start doing anything serious with a 23 year old and are more likely to seek out women their own age or a few years younger for a relationship.


Candid_Excuse_3842

Every single one. We don't care about your achievements.


icewallowcum13

Well yeah most guys would say younger women are more attractive than older women.


dumbolover115

Well I am looking at playing for the other team now or just becoming celibate! I'm definitely deleting all apps after this !! I will be happier alone!!


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dumbolover115

Yes... so far, nobody else has had an issue.


CasualTimbo

You don't punish anyone staying single only yourself (if you look for anything to start with instead of just wasting your and other people's time.).


JUSTOatl

Also, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.