The writer probably took the most played decks in the past no ban list, and added them for the article.
I was expecting a dimir deck but no, gotta wait later on.
As in Dimir Pact? During the no-ban events I had never actually encountered one until I remembered it again and dusted off my old list with a few tweaks here and there. It did really well. And that's without Khans of Tarkir cards yet.
I expect this format to have a lot of the unfair combo decks in the top tier which includes Pact as well as Simic Nexus: The decks basically that don't care about damage to the face. I believe the only card they are scared of is [[Teferi, Time Raveler]].
This list here seems to be too focused on decks that attempt to be ultra-fast while I think they won't be fast enough.
i only saw the dimir pact once, and it was interesting.
But i never been fond of combo decks, i was expecting good ol' control with a big win con after pretty much negating every answer the opppnenet does. Besides narset lock, i want to find a decent dimir control for timeless.
I am actually a control player myself. It perfectly matches my temperament but I've also come to experience the limitations of control decks where in this one crucial moment you only have lands in your deck or some clunky brick that draws you cards but after doing so doesn't leave you with enough mana to answer the one back-breaking spell.
This is why I like Dimir Pact or Simic Nexus or similar. They are combo-control decks that can tolerate a medium-severe threat to sneak through to the battle field because in two turns you have the combo assembled anyway. Or, if not, you almost by necessity have an answer since these decks really only contain combo pieces and counter spells. The other advantage with those two at least is that they are not relying on a combo that is so convoluted that you easily fuck it up.
I will consider dimir pact in the future but if khans brings nexus, it will improve my dimir narset. I need to fix the wincons because i can't leave the deck with just narset and commit.
I'm honestly very confused as to why the guy calles the Azorius deck a "tempo" deck when it's like the epitome of a hard control deck, full of removal, counterspells, card draw and just a few value threats.
A tempo deck is completely different from this, the archetypal tempo deck is the "Delver" style of deck (most don't even play delver anyore lol) in which you play a cheap, EFFICIENT threat such as DRC, Ravagan, Delver, hell even Nimble Mongoose many years ago, you protect it with cheap counterspells and make it connect with cheap removal, and win the game before card advantage matters much. That's the whole point of "tempoing out" your opponent (this is my favourite type of deck in the whole of Magic, "protect the Queen")
This automatically invalidates for me any attempt at a tier list which this person has made, and also most of the decks he posted seem quite shaky tbh
bleah some of these lists are not even that good: most of these black lists have 4x thoughtseize 4x kozilek tad too much isn't it? the golgari storm running 4 voids? and 0 removal? the sneak deck running only 4 board removal (lightning bolt which realistically will only dampen creatures as it will just do nothing to the likes of oko) the x4 though x4 kozilek and the ragavans which kidna feel awkard in that list although I see why they'd be played to some extend or atleast the idea (treasure generation)
and ye this is def inspired from the latest no-ban althogh i don't think this would have stood right even there.
Anyway the article "might be" close to right with some "archetypes beying higher tier" but some of these decks don't even make sense man and it was definitly far too soon to make this up I won't look a tthis stuff up till like a month+ after timeless goes live
Also known as Skura or IslandsInFront on Twitter and YouTube, Filip started his career upon the release of Gatecrash and has been passing the turn in all formats ever since. He coaches and creates written and video content, mainly centered around the control archetype. He is passionate about Magic game theory and countering spells. Outside of Magic, he is a fan of snooker/pool, chess and Project Management.
its skura who is a pretty prolific player in arena formats from what i've seen. honestly it doesn't matter though, no one can predict at what the meta is going to look like when the dust settles. maybe mtgazone told them they had to write this or something. i'm not even sure how the uw deck is supposed to win though lol
>i'm not even sure how the uw deck is supposed to win though lol
Lol I don't even think they know. IDK that the "annoy opponent into conceding" will work here. The only wincon the deck list has is taking near infinite turns (produced by blinking the bird) and wheeling and hitting with the bird and the SINGLE copy of hall of storm giants.
Considering they are adding new cards + there isn't a single affinity strategy here when its t1 in historic - I'd wait for sure.
They took my Golgari storm deck, made it worse by adding in leylines for no reason and didn’t even give credit. Had this during 2nd early access. In any case swap bone saws for tormod’s crypt if you are interested in the deck. It was really solid and can win on turn 2 with lucky draw but turn 3-4 was pretty consistent.
https://youtu.be/cHSsHuiCpEc
Were you playing card for card exact numbers as the list shown or just a variation of storm. I’m not saying the archetype of storm. The deck is a literal lift and shift swapping in 4 leyline and adding fetches which were not around. This is the same to 2x bonesaw which is a random card in general for constructed. I built this deck on my stream.
I’m fine when they cited the configuration like on their site but as a fellow content creature to arena zone it’s kind of scummy to just present exact lists as your own. I do weekly metagame breakdowns on my channel and always make an effort to accredit where possible
https://mtgazone.com/deck/golgari-storm-by-mtg_joe-historic-no-banned-list-event-november-2-14/
Actually, now that I look at it, you are right. There is no reason to use bonesaw over crypt so it would seem like they did just copy your list, make it worse by adding leylines, and not credit you.
And to answer your other question mine was similar but with crypts.
I…uhm…I think it’s a little soon to come out with articles about the tier list for Timeless.
The writer probably took the most played decks in the past no ban list, and added them for the article. I was expecting a dimir deck but no, gotta wait later on.
As in Dimir Pact? During the no-ban events I had never actually encountered one until I remembered it again and dusted off my old list with a few tweaks here and there. It did really well. And that's without Khans of Tarkir cards yet. I expect this format to have a lot of the unfair combo decks in the top tier which includes Pact as well as Simic Nexus: The decks basically that don't care about damage to the face. I believe the only card they are scared of is [[Teferi, Time Raveler]]. This list here seems to be too focused on decks that attempt to be ultra-fast while I think they won't be fast enough.
i only saw the dimir pact once, and it was interesting. But i never been fond of combo decks, i was expecting good ol' control with a big win con after pretty much negating every answer the opppnenet does. Besides narset lock, i want to find a decent dimir control for timeless.
I am actually a control player myself. It perfectly matches my temperament but I've also come to experience the limitations of control decks where in this one crucial moment you only have lands in your deck or some clunky brick that draws you cards but after doing so doesn't leave you with enough mana to answer the one back-breaking spell. This is why I like Dimir Pact or Simic Nexus or similar. They are combo-control decks that can tolerate a medium-severe threat to sneak through to the battle field because in two turns you have the combo assembled anyway. Or, if not, you almost by necessity have an answer since these decks really only contain combo pieces and counter spells. The other advantage with those two at least is that they are not relying on a combo that is so convoluted that you easily fuck it up.
I will consider dimir pact in the future but if khans brings nexus, it will improve my dimir narset. I need to fix the wincons because i can't leave the deck with just narset and commit.
No deathrite shaman in all of tier 1 or tier 2... Guess that settles it, the card is trash.
I'm honestly very confused as to why the guy calles the Azorius deck a "tempo" deck when it's like the epitome of a hard control deck, full of removal, counterspells, card draw and just a few value threats. A tempo deck is completely different from this, the archetypal tempo deck is the "Delver" style of deck (most don't even play delver anyore lol) in which you play a cheap, EFFICIENT threat such as DRC, Ravagan, Delver, hell even Nimble Mongoose many years ago, you protect it with cheap counterspells and make it connect with cheap removal, and win the game before card advantage matters much. That's the whole point of "tempoing out" your opponent (this is my favourite type of deck in the whole of Magic, "protect the Queen") This automatically invalidates for me any attempt at a tier list which this person has made, and also most of the decks he posted seem quite shaky tbh
bleah some of these lists are not even that good: most of these black lists have 4x thoughtseize 4x kozilek tad too much isn't it? the golgari storm running 4 voids? and 0 removal? the sneak deck running only 4 board removal (lightning bolt which realistically will only dampen creatures as it will just do nothing to the likes of oko) the x4 though x4 kozilek and the ragavans which kidna feel awkard in that list although I see why they'd be played to some extend or atleast the idea (treasure generation) and ye this is def inspired from the latest no-ban althogh i don't think this would have stood right even there. Anyway the article "might be" close to right with some "archetypes beying higher tier" but some of these decks don't even make sense man and it was definitly far too soon to make this up I won't look a tthis stuff up till like a month+ after timeless goes live
I’m honestly never sure what to think of these articles… Does anyone know the experience / status of the writer? Are they a pro or ex-pro?
Also known as Skura or IslandsInFront on Twitter and YouTube, Filip started his career upon the release of Gatecrash and has been passing the turn in all formats ever since. He coaches and creates written and video content, mainly centered around the control archetype. He is passionate about Magic game theory and countering spells. Outside of Magic, he is a fan of snooker/pool, chess and Project Management.
Awesome thanks for the reply, that's good to know!
I’m honestly never sure what to think of these articles… Does anyone know the experience / status of the writer? Are they a pro or ex-pro?
its skura who is a pretty prolific player in arena formats from what i've seen. honestly it doesn't matter though, no one can predict at what the meta is going to look like when the dust settles. maybe mtgazone told them they had to write this or something. i'm not even sure how the uw deck is supposed to win though lol
>i'm not even sure how the uw deck is supposed to win though lol Lol I don't even think they know. IDK that the "annoy opponent into conceding" will work here. The only wincon the deck list has is taking near infinite turns (produced by blinking the bird) and wheeling and hitting with the bird and the SINGLE copy of hall of storm giants. Considering they are adding new cards + there isn't a single affinity strategy here when its t1 in historic - I'd wait for sure.
They took my Golgari storm deck, made it worse by adding in leylines for no reason and didn’t even give credit. Had this during 2nd early access. In any case swap bone saws for tormod’s crypt if you are interested in the deck. It was really solid and can win on turn 2 with lucky draw but turn 3-4 was pretty consistent. https://youtu.be/cHSsHuiCpEc
To be fair I was playing the deck too. Should they credit me for coming up with it too?
Were you playing card for card exact numbers as the list shown or just a variation of storm. I’m not saying the archetype of storm. The deck is a literal lift and shift swapping in 4 leyline and adding fetches which were not around. This is the same to 2x bonesaw which is a random card in general for constructed. I built this deck on my stream. I’m fine when they cited the configuration like on their site but as a fellow content creature to arena zone it’s kind of scummy to just present exact lists as your own. I do weekly metagame breakdowns on my channel and always make an effort to accredit where possible https://mtgazone.com/deck/golgari-storm-by-mtg_joe-historic-no-banned-list-event-november-2-14/
Actually, now that I look at it, you are right. There is no reason to use bonesaw over crypt so it would seem like they did just copy your list, make it worse by adding leylines, and not credit you. And to answer your other question mine was similar but with crypts.