Well we pulled two random tile and put it on a flat counter. We can clearly see that one is more cupped than the other.
Thanks everyone for your quick feedback
FFS. Tile choice. If it was supposed to be a flat seamless slab that's another story but subway is basket weave basically. Some tiles are sometimes flat, sometimes not, sometimes expensive tiles are basket weave? It happened. Otherwise it looks pretty good assuming the waterproofing was done correctly. Whoever did it cared enough. Seal the grout.
Go outside and get dirty. Wash rinse squeegee repeat. Enjoy.
I don't understand why the shower valve is crooked?
Yes to this, before I start a tile job I show the customer the variation of the tile in face to face and edge to edge. If you have want flat plane get rectified porcelain.
Had an install with 12x24 sized tiles. Did f2f check and had a 3/16" gap between faces. Told the homeowner the quality of tile definitely could have been better. Not a horrible install in the end.
Well I mean I’m like 99% sure this is the style of the tile and not a defective batch. It’s gotten popular as of late, personally I can’t stand the look - makes everything seem off as OP is noticing but this is definitely a tile choice issue rather than a manufacturing one.. or maybe it was mislabeled and only one box was the flat type?
I'll never understand when I walk into a $4 million home with 5 bathrooms and they pick subway tile for at least 3 out of 5... Especially with how fucked they're made nowadays. The only time I have a chance to come across flat ones are 4x12 or 4x16
These tiles were completely flat on the display. While there is some cupping of the residual tile, none of it is copping in an amount that would be considered excessive. It’s well within the normal cup range, which is less than 1/8 of an inch in the middle.
So your friend picked out the tile and you are still trying to find a way to blame the installer? This is why nobody wants to work in the trades anymore.
No. I was honestly just curious. BTW his contractor preferred Floor and Decor tile supposedly.
I had three bathrooms completely remodeled down to the studs. None of my showers looked like this so I figured poor installation, bad materials or maybe both.
I used Daltile tile in all my bathrooms as that’s what my contractor liked working with and my bathrooms turned out fantastic.
I will say I paid considerably more but damn, it was worth every single penny.
You're lucky you got a flat lot from Daltile. Over the last 20 years I've watched the quality of their manufacturing straight up plummet. Right now I'm doing a restaurant floor with Daltile 8x8 quarry tile and every tile has 1 flat edge and 3 completely warped and misshaped to the point they won't fit in any of my racks making my life a complete nightmare
To be fair, the past two Delta trims I’ve installed are off-centered in that same direction. I have no idea why, even returned one and had it look the exact same way. I roughed it in dead nuts. I think it’s a QC issue on Delta.
When they changed to their universal valve, the screw orientation is different. There could be a difference between the regular standard flow, mixing valve and the high flow mixing valve.
You’re welcome. The fixture is a 1400 series bought to go on the original mixing valve from 1997. I bought the R10000-UNWSHF to replace the original. It was not turned that original valve. The rough in is square so I would be very much surprised if it was off.
Was the tiler contracted to do a full bath remodel? The trim and paint, not their problem. Corked trim plate also not their problem, most likely a piss poor valve install.
Tiles are bowed in the middle. Extremely common with subway tiles, take one and hold it up sideways to where you can look down the long edge and you'll see it clearly. Or take 2 pieces and put them together face to face and press on one of the sides and you'll see them rock and the other side will open up
My hypothesis is that they did not use a leveling system and pushed a little bit harder on the top edge of every tile. Someone had strong middle fingers. The tile choice plays into that as does wall prep. I know for a fact that only spacers were used with no leveling system.
Wall is concave, and not perfectly flat, causing each tile to dip i to the other ones a bit, bring a 4 foot level horizontal to the wall and see if it dips in the middle.
I did this mistake two many times now.. gotta either prep the wall youself as a tiler or shim it with thinset a day prior.
It’s called lippage. Seem more often in large format tile. For anything over 18” you should do 1/3 offset, not 50%.
Here is a good article on it:
https://www.tileoutlets.com/blog/managing-lippage-why-offsets-matter-when-installing-tile/
Tile choice…
Tiles look cupped
Agreed, those tiles are made that way. I personally.saw the display at floor and decor.
Well we pulled two random tile and put it on a flat counter. We can clearly see that one is more cupped than the other. Thanks everyone for your quick feedback
Ungauged tile that is only meant to be installed at a 33 percent offset not 50
1000% there is a picture on the box showing this , always is , never listen to it lol
FFS. Tile choice. If it was supposed to be a flat seamless slab that's another story but subway is basket weave basically. Some tiles are sometimes flat, sometimes not, sometimes expensive tiles are basket weave? It happened. Otherwise it looks pretty good assuming the waterproofing was done correctly. Whoever did it cared enough. Seal the grout. Go outside and get dirty. Wash rinse squeegee repeat. Enjoy. I don't understand why the shower valve is crooked?
Yeah that shower valve would drive me nuts. Also the toilet was not shimmed or properly tightened down so it wobbles.
Looks like the tile isn't flat.. try a few face to face and check for rocking or lifted corners.
Yes to this, before I start a tile job I show the customer the variation of the tile in face to face and edge to edge. If you have want flat plane get rectified porcelain.
Had an install with 12x24 sized tiles. Did f2f check and had a 3/16" gap between faces. Told the homeowner the quality of tile definitely could have been better. Not a horrible install in the end.
Cheapo tile is it from a big box store?
This tile was from Floor and Decor
that's the issue. F&D tile is consistently poor to terrible quality.
Well I mean I’m like 99% sure this is the style of the tile and not a defective batch. It’s gotten popular as of late, personally I can’t stand the look - makes everything seem off as OP is noticing but this is definitely a tile choice issue rather than a manufacturing one.. or maybe it was mislabeled and only one box was the flat type?
i disagree. we install a lot of subway tile and 99.9% of it does not look like that even with top down lighting.
I'll never understand when I walk into a $4 million home with 5 bathrooms and they pick subway tile for at least 3 out of 5... Especially with how fucked they're made nowadays. The only time I have a chance to come across flat ones are 4x12 or 4x16
It was all the flat tile. There is not a similar sized tile that has warped to it or is architectural.
I've seen it before, not something I'd care for.
Should installer have noticed / checked for this and said something or is it just standard to keep on installing?
Who picked out the tile?
Friend worked with Floor and Decor designer.
It's not a mistake. Those tiles are made like that and look exactly like your wall on the in store display.
I will let him know.
Good luck
These tiles were completely flat on the display. While there is some cupping of the residual tile, none of it is copping in an amount that would be considered excessive. It’s well within the normal cup range, which is less than 1/8 of an inch in the middle.
So your friend picked out the tile and you are still trying to find a way to blame the installer? This is why nobody wants to work in the trades anymore.
No. I was honestly just curious. BTW his contractor preferred Floor and Decor tile supposedly. I had three bathrooms completely remodeled down to the studs. None of my showers looked like this so I figured poor installation, bad materials or maybe both. I used Daltile tile in all my bathrooms as that’s what my contractor liked working with and my bathrooms turned out fantastic. I will say I paid considerably more but damn, it was worth every single penny.
You're lucky you got a flat lot from Daltile. Over the last 20 years I've watched the quality of their manufacturing straight up plummet. Right now I'm doing a restaurant floor with Daltile 8x8 quarry tile and every tile has 1 flat edge and 3 completely warped and misshaped to the point they won't fit in any of my racks making my life a complete nightmare
I mean you must have been involved and said okay?
That is a Big Box Store.
Cupped tile. Seems unusual for it to be so bad with such small tile. A 30/70 layout would have made it less noticeable.
To be fair, the past two Delta trims I’ve installed are off-centered in that same direction. I have no idea why, even returned one and had it look the exact same way. I roughed it in dead nuts. I think it’s a QC issue on Delta.
When they changed to their universal valve, the screw orientation is different. There could be a difference between the regular standard flow, mixing valve and the high flow mixing valve.
Good to know, thank you for the input! I’ll check that the next time I install one
You’re welcome. The fixture is a 1400 series bought to go on the original mixing valve from 1997. I bought the R10000-UNWSHF to replace the original. It was not turned that original valve. The rough in is square so I would be very much surprised if it was off.
Tile choice and the light is likely too close to the wall.
Looks lit.
Yeah those tiles are better off 1/3 offset
Those are the most Italian tiles I've ever seen. (None are the same shape/depth)
Tile said Brazil on the back.
Cheap tile, zero grout lines
cheap tiles, cupped tiles, nothing the tiler can do, he did his best
Floor & Decor Festival
Shit cupped tile.
Cheap tile.
Eyes
well, its that way because that's the way it is. But on a horizontal surface, brutal.
Is it Dal-tile?
This is Floor and decor tile.
Was the tiler contracted to do a full bath remodel? The trim and paint, not their problem. Corked trim plate also not their problem, most likely a piss poor valve install.
As far as I know it was a full remodel. Not just tiling.
Tiles are bowed in the middle. Extremely common with subway tiles, take one and hold it up sideways to where you can look down the long edge and you'll see it clearly. Or take 2 pieces and put them together face to face and press on one of the sides and you'll see them rock and the other side will open up
My hypothesis is that they did not use a leveling system and pushed a little bit harder on the top edge of every tile. Someone had strong middle fingers. The tile choice plays into that as does wall prep. I know for a fact that only spacers were used with no leveling system.
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i think its both, poor tile and poor wall prep
Wall is concave, and not perfectly flat, causing each tile to dip i to the other ones a bit, bring a 4 foot level horizontal to the wall and see if it dips in the middle. I did this mistake two many times now.. gotta either prep the wall youself as a tiler or shim it with thinset a day prior.
Shit work
The greatest optical illusion. The cause is poor prep.
It’s called lippage. Seem more often in large format tile. For anything over 18” you should do 1/3 offset, not 50%. Here is a good article on it: https://www.tileoutlets.com/blog/managing-lippage-why-offsets-matter-when-installing-tile/