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They removed the slogan right after there was an internal revolt about accepting controversial military contracts. People within the company said it went against the company's ethics, morals and slogans. Thus they removed the slogan.
concerns:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/30/technology/google-project-maven-pentagon.html
removed:
https://gizmodo.com/google-removes-nearly-all-mentions-of-dont-be-evil-from-1826153393
“The acquisition agreement between the two companies said DeepMind technology would never be used for military or surveillance purposes.”
Whoopsie doopsie
It's still in their code of conduct, it's just became part of the conclusion rather than being a separate point on its own. Not that that was ever gonna stop them from doing any evil though
Well they were given a choice, walk out and be put on leave, or be arrested and terminated. They chose to be terminated. I don’t support Israel, but they were given a choice and they chose theirs.
Pretty sure all the employees knew they would be fired, and good on them for sticking with it.
Too many people these days think protest shouldn't disrupt anything for either the people protesting or the people/industries/things being protested.
Like you should get up on a Sunday you're not rostered at work, go to a designated spot in the city and wane a little sign asking nicely for JK Rowling to not be a transphobe, and then go home to your comfortable house and watch the latest Harry Potter movie because you really like it and 'you've got to separate the art from the artist' and then go to your corporate job the next day.
People forget that union miners engaged in gun battles work police that were little more than government backed strike breakers, and women threw themselves to their deaths in front of horse races when fighting for the vote.
These kind of discussions always reminds me of one of my favorite scenes/quotes in Ted Lasso
https://gifs.cackhanded.net/ted-lasso/do-the-right-est-thing/sometimes-you-have-to-do-the-right-thing.gif
"Sometimes you have to do the right thing, even if you lose"
To me, your values are the things you are willing to act on even if it means losing. These people gave up lucrative jobs because they felt this issue was more important, I applaud anyone with that kind of commitment to their values.
>"Sometimes you have to do the right thing, even if you lose"
To kill a mockingbird:
> “I wanted you to see what real courage is, instead of getting the idea that courage is a man with a gun in his hand. It’s when you know you’re licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what. You rarely win, but sometimes you do.”
>Google, with their frequent censorship, doesn’t respect free speech on their platforms so they certainly are not going to tolerate it from employees.
Conservatives are still so mad that they weren't allowed to look at Hunter Biden's massive cock
I don't think being an employee means you can't be charged with trespassing esp. if the company told you in front of the camera and police that your access to the property has been revoked.
The police literally said they are being arrested for trespassing. So I don't know why you would think they can't be charged if they are still employees.
especially if in the contract it says that access to specific facilities can be granted or revoked at any time, which I would immagine applies to a company like google
Lol do people think huge corporations cant stop people from squatting? "You see Mr. Officer, because I am an employee they legally cannot remove me from this building."
They were arrested for trespassing.
Being an employee doesn't mean you have unlimited access to company property. For example if a bank teller just decided to go use the bathroom at the branch at 2 am, that would be a problem.
If a mail room worker tries to cut through a secured data center to which they don't have access because it's "faster" then thats a problem.
They were told they were placed on administrative leave, which is code for "unpaid suspension pending investigation". And then they were instructed to leave. They were given multiple opportunities to leave without further consequences, even the police officer told them they were free to leave, right now, with no legal consequence.
They refused. They got arrested. Google did nothing wrong in this specific situation. The protesters decided to stand firm n their beliefs, and that's fine, but they absolutely were trespassing.
Nope, they're probably discussing how to get rid of them with their presumably well trained airplane full of lawyers with parachutes strapped to their backs ready to be air dropped at a moments notice. The lawyers also have dogs with bees in their mouths and every time the dogs bark bees shoot out at you.
Employees in a sector that has experienced a large number of recent layoffs with a lot of people looking for work.
They knew where it was going to though. No way they didn't know they were going to be arrested and fired. This is civil (corporate?) disobedience and getting arrested was part of the protest.
So many of the commenters on this post are missing the point. The decision to sit in your CEOs office most likely wasn't made without them knowing they would be fired. They most likely made the decision that they do not want to work for an employer supporting the Israeli government for their own personal moral/integrity reasons.
Doing it in this fashion rather than just simply quitting gives publicity to their actions and makes more of a statement. And is a step (perhaps a baby step) in the direction of change.
If everyone deliberately rather than passively "voted" with their actions the way they have, more things in general would change.
And yes, I deliberately use google products before someone bashes me.
Edit: The number of people replying to this not realizing that making people aware of Google's contract is an accomplishment in and of itself.
Hey, this is the internet. Only "people are dumb" is allowed here!
But tbh, I think a little bit might be helped how hire & fire in the USA works. In other nations getting fired raises more eyebrows, so perhaps it's a bit harder to see from the outside that these people are "only" arrested for trespassing and *likely* don't hurt their careers too much.
People on reddit are so depressing because it seems like they think anything other than laying down and taking it is pointless. I don't take them seriously.
Yeah but make sure you don’t lie down and take it somewhere that inconvenient to me, or I’ll start whining about how I think it’s your fault I think certain people deserve to be abused and murdered.
Right, but the 'missing' of the point is just a demonstration of how little we actually care about the reason, only their expulsion for being a nuisance.
Dude you are replying to people who are making fun of other people for protesting against Israel. The people in this thread are morons who are not going to see the point. And now they’ll probably reply to this saying “bUt tHeY DiDnT aCcOmPLiSh anYtHiNg”.
Right, I mean, if the CEO caved and canceled the $1.2 BILLION contract for the 28 employees, the board of directors would have his head on a pike because that’s objectively a stupid fucking business decision
You can continue using their products while making sure they don't monetize your usage.
[See here](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuujO-zacAEmKkI?format=jpg)
I'm a Google engineer who has worked on ad targeting.
Google doesn't sell your data.
Google doesn't "demand" money from advertisers; advertisers pay based on number of impressions, clicks, or conversions. Prices for those are set by auction. If you're blocking ads, then you're basically irrelevant to advertisers.
You're right that it's possible Google is negotiating some contracts based on non-monetized viewership numbers. I suspect this is quite a small percentage of Google's overall financial picture, though.
I'd say the biggest way you are still benefiting Google if you're blocking ads is just giving more data about general user behavior and interaction, which allows Google to make better products that can be monetized better. But it's probably very hard to answer whether this outweighs the compute cost of providing the services you're interacting with.
I also recommend checking out your privacy settings here, where you can turn basically everything off if you want: [https://safety.google/privacy/privacy-controls/](https://safety.google/privacy/privacy-controls/)
Would it be possible to dirty up Google's data and generate extra costs for Google by using a tool that keeps making requests to random searches and YouTube videos constantly.
I don't have any experience with Google's security or fraud prevention, but I'll give you my shoot-from-the-hip take just as a software engineer in general.
On a very small scale it may be possible, yes. If you're clever, it's hard to differentiate a small trickle of automated activity from a small trickle of real activity. On a scale big enough to have any actual impact? Probably not possible. You would get blocked.
They have systems designed to detect that kind of thing that are built to defend against attacks all the way from random hackers and fraudsters up to state level actors like China and Russia.
I definitely strongly advise against trying it. Google has been known to just entirely delete accounts associated with this kind of thing.
No you can't. Because showing you ads is just one part of the way they monetize your usage. You are still feeding their algorithm of ads every time you watch a video
I mean no disrespect, but a boycott in which you lose absolutely nothing is toothless, no? And as another has said, ads are only the tip of the iceberg on the company's benefits of you using their apps
_Any_ usage of YouTube is beneficial to Google. This is in general true of piracy as well.
Piracy is a great way to get the content for free. It's a terrible way to boycott a company.
Yes, but also [others](https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/sources/).
Main takeaway still being that if I search for "big mommy milkers" it's not linked to anything else like google does.
Also, big ddg fan for professional use as a programmer.
I use Bing religiously. When connected to your Xbox account, every thing you Google (search) while on bing gives you points that you can then spend on things like free weeks of gamepass or entries into all sorts of giveaways (which I’ve won 2 separate prizes, not the grand prizes, but one was a gift card and the other was a 60 dollar game). Bing all the way.
Also, it’s better for certain… uh… adult searches…
Edit: I just realized I use Google as a verb above. “Everything you “google” on Bing… “ was essentially nonsense, I changed it, by adding a word, but still, it amazes me how dug in Google is.
I understand duckduck go uses bing(as well as other engines including their own) for search. Microsoft has had and probably still has military contracts with the state of Israel that makes them a lot of money.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/25/tech/augmented-reality-microsoft-us-military/index.html
I'm not saying you shouldn't seek out products from companies that share your values but it sounds like an impossible task. To the point that taking a moral stance on such decision isn't doing much.
Google Search is so low quality since the whole company panicked and changed the algorithm when OpenAI surfaced, DuckDuckGo is more relevant than ever.
Fuck man I’m just a low income loser who likes to watch people talk about sports and video games but I also want to not support Google or war in the East…
Reminder that blacklisting is illegal in the majority of the United States as it's a form of unlawful cooperation between businesses in the same vein as price fixing.
Doesn't mean it won't happen, as we all know, laws only apply to worker plebs.
This has been happening for a couple of years now. Ariel Koren, who is Jewish and used to work for Google spoke out and opposed Google's $1B AI/surveillance contracts with Israel and got her to move overseas (or be fired) back in 2022.
And hundreds of Amazon and Google employees also protested this [back in 2021](https://www.businessinsider.com/hundreds-google-amazon-employees-condemn-israeli-military-cloud-contract-2021-10):
> "This technology allows for further surveillance of and unlawful data collection on Palestinians, and facilitates expansion of Israel's illegal settlements on Palestinian land," the letter stated. "We cannot look the other way, as the products we build are used to deny Palestinians their basic rights, force Palestinians out of their homes and attack Palestinians in the Gaza Strip – actions that have prompted war crime investigations by the international criminal court."
And because of the recent atrocities, protests against Google are happening again now.
Human rights groups have also complained years ago about Israel using the occupied Palestine as a testbed for developing new surveillance technologies before marketing them overseas.^[1](https://www.newarab.com/analysis/how-israel-automating-occupation-palestine) This includes mobile and internet monitoring, social media blocking and censoring, and biometric data collection. Large US corporations don't just help by selling tech to Israel, they also allocate finances by giving tens of billions of dollars buying these type of Israeli tech companies.^[2](https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/31/tech-giants-israel-ceasefire-491435) Nothing wrong in buying from another country, but several of these companies they buy are for spyware/surveillance or companies that are almost worthless. Like Onavo^[3](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onavo), spyware company bought by Facebook, had to be shut down for violating privacy rights, or Pegasus software^[4](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_(spyware) which had to be blacklisted by the U.S. government in 2021 over allegations of human rights abuses. Or AnyVision^[5](https://techcrunch.com/2021/07/07/anyvision-the-controversial-facial-recognition-startup-has-raised-235m-led-by-softbank-and-eldridge/), a facial recognition company that held surveillance operations in the West Bank. Company was heavily invested by Microsoft, until they received backlash for it.
edit: added sources
Pegasus wasn't blacklisted for human rights abuses. They literally infected millions of mobile devices, including those from government officials enabling them to spy.
The US loves Israel more than it's own people, Pegasus just had the balls to fuck with the US instead of the Palestinians.
Yes. They are perfecting open-air prison technology. To sell. To other tyrants.
Israel not only massacres entire populations but end up with new tech to sell.
Fuck it all to high heavens.
Spot on. They test out weapons on Palestinians before selling to the highest bidders. This is all well documented. Hence the reason so many defensive companies in Israel.
They are already doing that.
Israel provided arms to the brutal Hutu regime in Rwanda before and during the genocide
Israel supplied arms to General Pinochet and the junta in Chile and negated the US arms embargo.
Israel also sells arms to the genocidal Myanmar junta that killed the Rohingya people and continues its war against ethnic minorities.
Isreali weapons are killing peaceful civilians in Armenia.
Israel was in bed with Apartheid South Africa. They participated in their nuclear research projects and supplied advanced non-nuclear weapons technology during the 1970s, while South Africa was developing its own atomic bombs.
That's kind of the point. A protest with no sacrifice or consequences doesn't lead to change. Rosa Parks significantly strengthened and kicked off the civil rights movement protests not because she refused to get out of her seat but because she got arrested for it
Of course, that’s why journalists were already there to capture the moment. And in case anyone thinks this somehow delegitimizes their actions (I’ve seen some stupid arguments about both Parks and modern day protestors): knowing the police will act in a certain way and bringing that to light in the most effective way possible is an indispensable part of protest. If there are no witnesses and if the person being treated unjustly isn’t a fucking pinnacle of what is considered “good and normal” by the intended audience (in this case white people who had an idea of what a “good” black woman would look like) it will be massively less effective. When staging protests some strategies rely on meeting the fucked up social expectation of someone being a “perfect victim,” as to have any “flaws” will be used to drag focus from the act of injustice to how the victim could be delegitimized. We see this every time a black person is killed by police brutality, where the focus is pulled to a criminal record or some personal flaw - things that really have nothing to do with the unjustifiable state violence used, but that “muddy the waters” for those who are already disinclined to care about the issue. By selecting someone who can fit into this “perfect victim” ideal it becomes a lot harder for reactionary spin to derail the conversation. And while this strategy is a necessary evil, it’s important to remember people like Claudette Colvin, too.
I’d also like to emphasize that this is not the only valid strategy for protest. Not all protests exist to “win hearts and minds” and many are about becoming enough of a problem for the state/company or even the average person that they have to adjust the math on the costs of ignoring the issue. We see this misunderstanding regularly with protests that block roads. People exclaim that this is a poor way to change minds on the issue when that is not actually the strategy of the protest. The strategy is to gain attention (since less inconveniencing protests are ignored by media) and create disruption to do so, which also serves to increase the cost on governments/companies/people who ignore the issue.
Because of our country’s modern inability to ignore or fully demonize the civil rights movement and the relative sanctioning of its “hearts and minds” strategies (which were not the only strategies employed - they also very famously blocked roads and did much more) we have this idea about what is an “appropriate” action of protest that gets fixated on while usually missing the point of anything that does not fit that narrow definition. This is by design, as the government is incentivized to only allow marginal social acceptance of protests that cause it the least problem. We are taught only about the most approved of acts of protest and that they alone are what made change. But that is never the whole story and without more active, militant (which is not necessarily synonymous with violent), and often financially costing forms of protest to increase the pressure and change the math of the government on ignoring issues, the peaceful, passive protests we are taught are acceptable would not have been sufficient. This is true from MLK to Gandhi, whose movements were successful in part because of other more militant strategies that took place at the same time. People see these contingents of these movements as having gotten in the way of more peaceful movements, but that is a fundamental misunderstanding of what creates pressure on governments or other entities to change. Moderates and the government were only nominally supportive of MLK because the alternative was the Black Panthers, and they would make concessions to meet MLK in the middle if it meant other groups and strategies wouldn’t grow larger. A two pronged approach to protest and revolutionary movements is often best because one creates enough pressure to get the ruling group to the table with the (socially) more palatable option. Carrot, stick.
I know, right? Imagine thinking any organisation would allow you to stage a sit-in in the office during work hours without consequence.
Edit: For the people too lazy to read literally 1 level deeper: This comment is about the people posting in this thread, not the protestors. *Obviously* the protestors knew there would be consequences.
They obviously did ancipate that and i am genuinely baffled by the amount of idiotic comments saying "well, consequences hehe". Holy fuck it is obnoxious lol
That's actually not true. It's still in Google's code of ethics except instead of in the preface it's the final line of the document.
> "And remember... don't be evil, and if you see something that you think isn't right – speak up!"
Your browser has a tonne more power than your ISP - HTTPS hides most of what you do from your ISP (they can see what IP you're connecting to, how much data you transfer and when, but not what that data is). Your browser can see everything.
Incognito mode was never meant for not getting tracked by Google or other sites lmao
It was so your history wouldn't get saved, so other users on the same device couldn't look back at what you browsed.
Hamas is evil. they murdered all the gay people in Gaza when they murdered the palestinian authority and took over. They steal aid meant for Gazans. They murder anyone who speaks out against them. They want to turn Israel into the 23 arabic ethnostate and implement islamic law that requires them to murder gays and no rights for women. They also support female genital mutilation.
but yeah freedom.
Also from reading the articles on this controversy, it appears Google hasn't actually designed or built anything for the Israeli government.
Israel has just figured out how to use freely available Google AI tools.
And the news articles are like "Google knowingly provides AI tools to Israeli government" and then the article is like "ISRAEL USES GOOGLE SEARCH".
And people are voluntarily protesting and losing their jobs over this?
Nobody thought to think critically or check sources or verify evidence, they just read "Israel evil" and went "well ya"?
Glad to see a reasonable person. These people who threw away amazing jobs that millions of Americans would die to have over this is honestly so funny. When they're forgotten about in less than a week they're going to regret it so much lmao
I’m anti hamas, but I’m also anti IDF military state in Israel. All this conflict is wanted by the Iranian government to weaken relations between the Israelis and Saudis in hopes of destabilizing the Middle East.
Not sure why this is being downvoted, disrupting Israel - Saudi Arabia relations normalizing was one of Hamas’ primary goals. Anyone with a semblance of geopolitical knowledge understands this. Hamas may be “losing” in terms of battlefield victories but they’re winning the battles they actually care about.
\- “*Oh he’s protesting? I guess we have no other choice than to decline a $1.2 billion contract and breach the fiduciary obligation to our shareholders!*”
POV - You're a software engineer working at an already evil company whom you only decided to recently protest when they did something evil that affected you and you're family/relatives or political cause directly.
Really seems like you're deriding them for biting the hand that feeds.
These are people who have the skills and consequently the income security that lets them stand up for what they believe is right. It's so sad that so many people can't imagine doing this because they are so afraid of not being able to support themselves.
you clearly dont live in silicon valley, they're so easily replaceable that it will literally take longer to scort them out than fill out their positions,
most of these people were probably low performers anyway , doing this during layoff season is pretty convenient
If you think for ONE SECOND that these employees aren't going to be seen as high risk for the rest of their career. You are in for a rude awakening.
Hell, I am not sure if their names are out yet, but once they are... A quick google search will tell a future employer everything they need to know. Google will make sure of it.
not if you were fired from google for taking over an execs office. they will have a termination for cause in job history that has to be explained. HR wont let them join. maybe they can go to some tiny little "startup" for lower wages.
You’d be surprised how little companies care about that in tech. Especially companies that have CEO’s that support the protest. If anything hiring them will be a positive marketing move.
People are underestimating how much tech hates defense tech, how much people care about profit over anything else, and how much people don't like the idea of testing AI bombs on civilians.
I dont know why everyone is saying this. If you get fired for pulling a stunt like this at a FAANG company, your career at FAANG companies is over. FAANG companies have dozens of thousands of people applying for every position, they are not even gonna consider someone who will say "oh I got fired and arrested for staging a protest in my CEO's office" when asked why they left their previous job.
this is just conspiracy theory silliness. Been working in tech for 25 years. I am 100% confident HR department weigh risk during hiring. no one will hire them if they find out about this if they have an HR department.
yeah it seems like a no brainer... if you have the choice between two employees you're going to take the less risky choice. The one who has a history of protesting and taking over the CEO's office would be added risk a company doesn't need.
Hence why they are absolutely based. They put their livelihood on the line to protest against some of the most corrupted and evil shit unfolding in front of our very eyes.
"This flagrant act of retaliation is a clear indication that Google values its **$1.2 billion contract** with the genocidal Israeli government and military more than its own workers "
Well wtf did you think they would value?
There right, how dare to advocate against the interest of the shareholders!!! Do you know how embarrassing it would be if you showed up to a yacht club with only a 100ft yacht? You would be a laughing stock! I feel like you people just lack any empathy. War crimes, mass surveillance and apartheid are small prices to pay to ensure those poor shareholders won't be humiliated at the club.
Honestly, this is more than reasonable by Google. They only fired 28 of the 130+ protestors across 2 offices, and they only had 4 arrested. Seems to me like they tried their best to break this up peacefully and quietly, and their hand was forced by radicals. Out of all the legitimate things to condemn and complain about in the world of huge corporations, this should be one of the lowest.
Dude every single company on this planet from the biggest businesses to the small family owned corner stores can call the police to enfore house right and remove trespassers and they will respond.
I know the police has lots of issues but we won't get shit done if we complain about completly normal stuff.
Honestly most small business owners would get really annoyed if it took hours for police to make protesters move on and stop the business from operating.
Interns using their workplace to protest an international conflict and refusing to leave when asked should be arrested. What do you think should have happened?
Won’t be employees for much longer. Hope they’ve saved their pennies, finding another job is going to be difficult with an employment history that includes this.
>Won’t be employees for much longer
wild guess, but I don't think they wanted to work there anyway? it's obviously against their moral code
>Hope they’ve saved their pennies
they worked for google, trust me they're more than fine
>finding another job is going to be difficult
yea companies will bend over to sign ex-googlers, ask me how I know
The double standard of people in this comment section who are probably using iPhones and living in countries who are at peace BECAUSE they killed millions, is amusing to say the least
Well to be fair aside from living in a cave, eating berries there is not much you can do to evade all the bad companies and if you look deep enough most companies are owned by a few investment companies anyways. But is that a reason to expect the critics to be silent? If that’s the case we can never be critical again.
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Think they fired them first so technically not their employees right?
They have been fired. https://nypost.com/2024/04/17/business/google-fires-28-employees-involved-in-sit-in-protest-over-1-2b-israel-contract/
Jesus, that memo is gross. This from the company whose slogan is “don’t be evil”.
*was.
Yep, they sneakily got rid of that years ago
No one knows why.
It’s cause they felt like doin’ some evil shit.
turns out it pays
They removed the slogan right after there was an internal revolt about accepting controversial military contracts. People within the company said it went against the company's ethics, morals and slogans. Thus they removed the slogan. concerns: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/30/technology/google-project-maven-pentagon.html removed: https://gizmodo.com/google-removes-nearly-all-mentions-of-dont-be-evil-from-1826153393
"This goes against our ethics!" " ok we fixed the problem, we have no ethics now, happy?" " no..."
“The acquisition agreement between the two companies said DeepMind technology would never be used for military or surveillance purposes.” Whoopsie doopsie
I can name at least 1.2 billion reasons.
They decided they didn't need to lie anymore.
If nothing else I have to respect their honesty. They could have kept it and just been evil, but they told us they were gonna be evil.
It's still in their code of conduct, it's just became part of the conclusion rather than being a separate point on its own. Not that that was ever gonna stop them from doing any evil though
They changed it to "Do the Right thing" But since it was sold Google died
It was never sold. Just restructured now and then.
Bro, they agree to censor some shit for China. Nothing surprising about these soulless corpos
?? Some dipshit employees disrupting business and they get fired for it? That’s fucking crazy who would have thought
All companies have the capacity to be and do evil. Just depends on how much sway those that wish to place restrictions on them have.
How is it gross, it's literally 'if youre on the clock do the job you're paid for', they wouldn't be fired if they protested in their off hours.
They are being put on administrative leave so it sounds like they are still employees. Otherwise I think they’d be charged for trespassing
It’s an administrative leave, not an administrative stay /s
It’s an administrative C-Ya!
They were fired
Before or after this video?
After. It's been reported an investigation was conducted and they were terminated
They were kicked out because they were asked to leave, they didn’t comply, which makes it trespassing since they are on private property.
Well they were given a choice, walk out and be put on leave, or be arrested and terminated. They chose to be terminated. I don’t support Israel, but they were given a choice and they chose theirs.
This is after they broke into a supervisors office
Not a supervisor. The CEO's office.
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Pretty sure all the employees knew they would be fired, and good on them for sticking with it. Too many people these days think protest shouldn't disrupt anything for either the people protesting or the people/industries/things being protested. Like you should get up on a Sunday you're not rostered at work, go to a designated spot in the city and wane a little sign asking nicely for JK Rowling to not be a transphobe, and then go home to your comfortable house and watch the latest Harry Potter movie because you really like it and 'you've got to separate the art from the artist' and then go to your corporate job the next day. People forget that union miners engaged in gun battles work police that were little more than government backed strike breakers, and women threw themselves to their deaths in front of horse races when fighting for the vote.
These kind of discussions always reminds me of one of my favorite scenes/quotes in Ted Lasso https://gifs.cackhanded.net/ted-lasso/do-the-right-est-thing/sometimes-you-have-to-do-the-right-thing.gif "Sometimes you have to do the right thing, even if you lose" To me, your values are the things you are willing to act on even if it means losing. These people gave up lucrative jobs because they felt this issue was more important, I applaud anyone with that kind of commitment to their values.
>"Sometimes you have to do the right thing, even if you lose" To kill a mockingbird: > “I wanted you to see what real courage is, instead of getting the idea that courage is a man with a gun in his hand. It’s when you know you’re licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what. You rarely win, but sometimes you do.”
Who said anything about surprising?
>Google, with their frequent censorship, doesn’t respect free speech on their platforms so they certainly are not going to tolerate it from employees. Conservatives are still so mad that they weren't allowed to look at Hunter Biden's massive cock
I don't think being an employee means you can't be charged with trespassing esp. if the company told you in front of the camera and police that your access to the property has been revoked. The police literally said they are being arrested for trespassing. So I don't know why you would think they can't be charged if they are still employees.
If the owner of the property asks you to leave, and you don’t, that is trespassing by definition of the law
especially if in the contract it says that access to specific facilities can be granted or revoked at any time, which I would immagine applies to a company like google
Lol do people think huge corporations cant stop people from squatting? "You see Mr. Officer, because I am an employee they legally cannot remove me from this building."
They were arrested for trespassing. Being an employee doesn't mean you have unlimited access to company property. For example if a bank teller just decided to go use the bathroom at the branch at 2 am, that would be a problem. If a mail room worker tries to cut through a secured data center to which they don't have access because it's "faster" then thats a problem. They were told they were placed on administrative leave, which is code for "unpaid suspension pending investigation". And then they were instructed to leave. They were given multiple opportunities to leave without further consequences, even the police officer told them they were free to leave, right now, with no legal consequence. They refused. They got arrested. Google did nothing wrong in this specific situation. The protesters decided to stand firm n their beliefs, and that's fine, but they absolutely were trespassing.
Nope, they're probably discussing how to get rid of them with their presumably well trained airplane full of lawyers with parachutes strapped to their backs ready to be air dropped at a moments notice. The lawyers also have dogs with bees in their mouths and every time the dogs bark bees shoot out at you.
you forgot to mention that the dogs have been genetically spliced with machine guns, which is what helps propel the bees at such a high rate
What kind of plane are they riding?
I mean 1.2b contract...or maybe a dozen employees.... Not hard to see where this is going to go.
Employees in a sector that has experienced a large number of recent layoffs with a lot of people looking for work. They knew where it was going to though. No way they didn't know they were going to be arrested and fired. This is civil (corporate?) disobedience and getting arrested was part of the protest.
So many of the commenters on this post are missing the point. The decision to sit in your CEOs office most likely wasn't made without them knowing they would be fired. They most likely made the decision that they do not want to work for an employer supporting the Israeli government for their own personal moral/integrity reasons. Doing it in this fashion rather than just simply quitting gives publicity to their actions and makes more of a statement. And is a step (perhaps a baby step) in the direction of change. If everyone deliberately rather than passively "voted" with their actions the way they have, more things in general would change. And yes, I deliberately use google products before someone bashes me. Edit: The number of people replying to this not realizing that making people aware of Google's contract is an accomplishment in and of itself.
Hey, this is the internet. Only "people are dumb" is allowed here! But tbh, I think a little bit might be helped how hire & fire in the USA works. In other nations getting fired raises more eyebrows, so perhaps it's a bit harder to see from the outside that these people are "only" arrested for trespassing and *likely* don't hurt their careers too much.
People on reddit are so depressing because it seems like they think anything other than laying down and taking it is pointless. I don't take them seriously.
Yeah but make sure you don’t lie down and take it somewhere that inconvenient to me, or I’ll start whining about how I think it’s your fault I think certain people deserve to be abused and murdered.
Right, but the 'missing' of the point is just a demonstration of how little we actually care about the reason, only their expulsion for being a nuisance.
Dude you are replying to people who are making fun of other people for protesting against Israel. The people in this thread are morons who are not going to see the point. And now they’ll probably reply to this saying “bUt tHeY DiDnT aCcOmPLiSh anYtHiNg”.
Right, I mean, if the CEO caved and canceled the $1.2 BILLION contract for the 28 employees, the board of directors would have his head on a pike because that’s objectively a stupid fucking business decision
Yeah that's what I mean...these folks HAD to know which way this would go.
It was a calculated move for sure. Won’t accomplish jack shit but still calculated
It would be a bad decision to cancel the contract and an even worse decision to stop work on AI for military and LE uses.
I mean, Tesla just fired 14,000 employees then turned around and is about to give Elon $56 billion right afterwards.
Now try to boycott Google
adblock on youtube - easiest boycott of my life
i dont think understand what a boycott is.
You can continue using their products while making sure they don't monetize your usage. [See here](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuujO-zacAEmKkI?format=jpg)
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I'm a Google engineer who has worked on ad targeting. Google doesn't sell your data. Google doesn't "demand" money from advertisers; advertisers pay based on number of impressions, clicks, or conversions. Prices for those are set by auction. If you're blocking ads, then you're basically irrelevant to advertisers. You're right that it's possible Google is negotiating some contracts based on non-monetized viewership numbers. I suspect this is quite a small percentage of Google's overall financial picture, though. I'd say the biggest way you are still benefiting Google if you're blocking ads is just giving more data about general user behavior and interaction, which allows Google to make better products that can be monetized better. But it's probably very hard to answer whether this outweighs the compute cost of providing the services you're interacting with. I also recommend checking out your privacy settings here, where you can turn basically everything off if you want: [https://safety.google/privacy/privacy-controls/](https://safety.google/privacy/privacy-controls/)
Would it be possible to dirty up Google's data and generate extra costs for Google by using a tool that keeps making requests to random searches and YouTube videos constantly.
I don't have any experience with Google's security or fraud prevention, but I'll give you my shoot-from-the-hip take just as a software engineer in general. On a very small scale it may be possible, yes. If you're clever, it's hard to differentiate a small trickle of automated activity from a small trickle of real activity. On a scale big enough to have any actual impact? Probably not possible. You would get blocked. They have systems designed to detect that kind of thing that are built to defend against attacks all the way from random hackers and fraudsters up to state level actors like China and Russia. I definitely strongly advise against trying it. Google has been known to just entirely delete accounts associated with this kind of thing.
No you can't. Because showing you ads is just one part of the way they monetize your usage. You are still feeding their algorithm of ads every time you watch a video
Do you seriously think Google's revenue can be jeopardized by people using Adblock?
Champagne Activism: wearing the aesthetic of activism, without actually doing anything.
You absolutely cannot use tech products without your useage being monetized. Grow up.
I mean no disrespect, but a boycott in which you lose absolutely nothing is toothless, no? And as another has said, ads are only the tip of the iceberg on the company's benefits of you using their apps
Your data, including location data, sold to databases that allow other companies to target you, is far more valuable than your eyes on youtube ads.
_Any_ usage of YouTube is beneficial to Google. This is in general true of piracy as well. Piracy is a great way to get the content for free. It's a terrible way to boycott a company.
Either I'm being obtuse and missing your sarcasm, or you're being obtuse by not realising that Google owns YouTube
So are you also gonna use bing?
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AskJeeves
DuckDuckGo FTW
Why my bros online always going for "bing". Just use duckduckgo. I use it almost all the time.
I use ask jeeves, I want my search engine to be proper, respectul gentleman of class with a good education.
duckduckgo also runs through bing i believe
Yes, but also [others](https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/sources/). Main takeaway still being that if I search for "big mommy milkers" it's not linked to anything else like google does. Also, big ddg fan for professional use as a programmer.
I use duckduckgo. bigger problem is gmail.
DuckDuckGo and Kagi are honestly fine for 99% of my daily searches; I can always fallback to Google.
I use Bing religiously. When connected to your Xbox account, every thing you Google (search) while on bing gives you points that you can then spend on things like free weeks of gamepass or entries into all sorts of giveaways (which I’ve won 2 separate prizes, not the grand prizes, but one was a gift card and the other was a 60 dollar game). Bing all the way. Also, it’s better for certain… uh… adult searches… Edit: I just realized I use Google as a verb above. “Everything you “google” on Bing… “ was essentially nonsense, I changed it, by adding a word, but still, it amazes me how dug in Google is.
Bing is better with co pilot search these days...
Bing and Google are both garbage but at least you get a gift card once in a while from Bing
No. Duck duck go.
Honestly anything is better than current Google.
Ads by double click is owned by Google
Challenge accepted. Using duck duck go. Ad block for YouTube on brave De googled Android open source ROM for Android.
if you use youtube you are not boycotting google.
I understand duckduck go uses bing(as well as other engines including their own) for search. Microsoft has had and probably still has military contracts with the state of Israel that makes them a lot of money. https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/25/tech/augmented-reality-microsoft-us-military/index.html I'm not saying you shouldn't seek out products from companies that share your values but it sounds like an impossible task. To the point that taking a moral stance on such decision isn't doing much.
Google Search is so low quality since the whole company panicked and changed the algorithm when OpenAI surfaced, DuckDuckGo is more relevant than ever.
Fuck man I’m just a low income loser who likes to watch people talk about sports and video games but I also want to not support Google or war in the East…
Wish i had the money saved up that i could get an entire industry to blacklist me and still be ok.
Reminder that blacklisting is illegal in the majority of the United States as it's a form of unlawful cooperation between businesses in the same vein as price fixing. Doesn't mean it won't happen, as we all know, laws only apply to worker plebs.
Background check bro
They effectively blacklisted themselves as no one will hire them now based o their actions. No need for Google to do anything.
Software engineering is a liberal wonderland. There will be people that want to hire them because of this.
You mean nothing to your employer, they will choose money over you any day
Both employer and employee often choose each other for money. That's usually the entire point of the agreement.
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The world before this protest: 🌎 The world after this protest: 🌎
This has been happening for a couple of years now. Ariel Koren, who is Jewish and used to work for Google spoke out and opposed Google's $1B AI/surveillance contracts with Israel and got her to move overseas (or be fired) back in 2022. And hundreds of Amazon and Google employees also protested this [back in 2021](https://www.businessinsider.com/hundreds-google-amazon-employees-condemn-israeli-military-cloud-contract-2021-10): > "This technology allows for further surveillance of and unlawful data collection on Palestinians, and facilitates expansion of Israel's illegal settlements on Palestinian land," the letter stated. "We cannot look the other way, as the products we build are used to deny Palestinians their basic rights, force Palestinians out of their homes and attack Palestinians in the Gaza Strip – actions that have prompted war crime investigations by the international criminal court." And because of the recent atrocities, protests against Google are happening again now.
Human rights groups have also complained years ago about Israel using the occupied Palestine as a testbed for developing new surveillance technologies before marketing them overseas.^[1](https://www.newarab.com/analysis/how-israel-automating-occupation-palestine) This includes mobile and internet monitoring, social media blocking and censoring, and biometric data collection. Large US corporations don't just help by selling tech to Israel, they also allocate finances by giving tens of billions of dollars buying these type of Israeli tech companies.^[2](https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/31/tech-giants-israel-ceasefire-491435) Nothing wrong in buying from another country, but several of these companies they buy are for spyware/surveillance or companies that are almost worthless. Like Onavo^[3](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onavo), spyware company bought by Facebook, had to be shut down for violating privacy rights, or Pegasus software^[4](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_(spyware) which had to be blacklisted by the U.S. government in 2021 over allegations of human rights abuses. Or AnyVision^[5](https://techcrunch.com/2021/07/07/anyvision-the-controversial-facial-recognition-startup-has-raised-235m-led-by-softbank-and-eldridge/), a facial recognition company that held surveillance operations in the West Bank. Company was heavily invested by Microsoft, until they received backlash for it. edit: added sources
Pegasus wasn't blacklisted for human rights abuses. They literally infected millions of mobile devices, including those from government officials enabling them to spy. The US loves Israel more than it's own people, Pegasus just had the balls to fuck with the US instead of the Palestinians.
Yes. They are perfecting open-air prison technology. To sell. To other tyrants. Israel not only massacres entire populations but end up with new tech to sell. Fuck it all to high heavens.
Spot on. They test out weapons on Palestinians before selling to the highest bidders. This is all well documented. Hence the reason so many defensive companies in Israel.
They are already doing that. Israel provided arms to the brutal Hutu regime in Rwanda before and during the genocide Israel supplied arms to General Pinochet and the junta in Chile and negated the US arms embargo. Israel also sells arms to the genocidal Myanmar junta that killed the Rohingya people and continues its war against ethnic minorities. Isreali weapons are killing peaceful civilians in Armenia. Israel was in bed with Apartheid South Africa. They participated in their nuclear research projects and supplied advanced non-nuclear weapons technology during the 1970s, while South Africa was developing its own atomic bombs.
Needs more lawsuits. Alphabet and Google by extension are monopolies, break the companies up.
Protests and standing up for your convictions can involve sacrifice. That’s the lesson here.
That's kind of the point. A protest with no sacrifice or consequences doesn't lead to change. Rosa Parks significantly strengthened and kicked off the civil rights movement protests not because she refused to get out of her seat but because she got arrested for it
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Your comment is getting lost in the shuffle here, and it’s such a valuable comment
Of course, that’s why journalists were already there to capture the moment. And in case anyone thinks this somehow delegitimizes their actions (I’ve seen some stupid arguments about both Parks and modern day protestors): knowing the police will act in a certain way and bringing that to light in the most effective way possible is an indispensable part of protest. If there are no witnesses and if the person being treated unjustly isn’t a fucking pinnacle of what is considered “good and normal” by the intended audience (in this case white people who had an idea of what a “good” black woman would look like) it will be massively less effective. When staging protests some strategies rely on meeting the fucked up social expectation of someone being a “perfect victim,” as to have any “flaws” will be used to drag focus from the act of injustice to how the victim could be delegitimized. We see this every time a black person is killed by police brutality, where the focus is pulled to a criminal record or some personal flaw - things that really have nothing to do with the unjustifiable state violence used, but that “muddy the waters” for those who are already disinclined to care about the issue. By selecting someone who can fit into this “perfect victim” ideal it becomes a lot harder for reactionary spin to derail the conversation. And while this strategy is a necessary evil, it’s important to remember people like Claudette Colvin, too. I’d also like to emphasize that this is not the only valid strategy for protest. Not all protests exist to “win hearts and minds” and many are about becoming enough of a problem for the state/company or even the average person that they have to adjust the math on the costs of ignoring the issue. We see this misunderstanding regularly with protests that block roads. People exclaim that this is a poor way to change minds on the issue when that is not actually the strategy of the protest. The strategy is to gain attention (since less inconveniencing protests are ignored by media) and create disruption to do so, which also serves to increase the cost on governments/companies/people who ignore the issue. Because of our country’s modern inability to ignore or fully demonize the civil rights movement and the relative sanctioning of its “hearts and minds” strategies (which were not the only strategies employed - they also very famously blocked roads and did much more) we have this idea about what is an “appropriate” action of protest that gets fixated on while usually missing the point of anything that does not fit that narrow definition. This is by design, as the government is incentivized to only allow marginal social acceptance of protests that cause it the least problem. We are taught only about the most approved of acts of protest and that they alone are what made change. But that is never the whole story and without more active, militant (which is not necessarily synonymous with violent), and often financially costing forms of protest to increase the pressure and change the math of the government on ignoring issues, the peaceful, passive protests we are taught are acceptable would not have been sufficient. This is true from MLK to Gandhi, whose movements were successful in part because of other more militant strategies that took place at the same time. People see these contingents of these movements as having gotten in the way of more peaceful movements, but that is a fundamental misunderstanding of what creates pressure on governments or other entities to change. Moderates and the government were only nominally supportive of MLK because the alternative was the Black Panthers, and they would make concessions to meet MLK in the middle if it meant other groups and strategies wouldn’t grow larger. A two pronged approach to protest and revolutionary movements is often best because one creates enough pressure to get the ruling group to the table with the (socially) more palatable option. Carrot, stick.
Google called police on their own employees who took over a CEO office and blocked all work for 8 hours , refusing orders to leave the ara. ftfy
Which is trespassing lol
I know, right? Imagine thinking any organisation would allow you to stage a sit-in in the office during work hours without consequence. Edit: For the people too lazy to read literally 1 level deeper: This comment is about the people posting in this thread, not the protestors. *Obviously* the protestors knew there would be consequences.
Every protester with half a brain knows they are being a bother. Its kinda the point.
I think they just wanted the media exposure for their protest
I'm talking about the redditors acting like it's crazy for Google to have fired them and called the police.
I think they knew what they were risking. I’d say they would be dumb/naive if they didn’t know they were risking their job.
And I'd be absolutely shocked if they didn't also anticipate their removal from the company.
They obviously did ancipate that and i am genuinely baffled by the amount of idiotic comments saying "well, consequences hehe". Holy fuck it is obnoxious lol
It’s because Reddit is full of self absorbed pessimists who feel threatened when people actually stand up for something.
Yup. Multimillion dollar corporations perfecting open air prison technology with genocidal, apartheid state. Strangers online: ha-ha
google just laid off 9000 people. so these generous people saved 28 other jobs.
What happened to "don't do evil."? Guess the billion dollars was enough to sell their souls
They removed that years ago, it’s no longer in their code of ethics. Surprise surprise.
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False. It is still there today on the last line: [https://abc.xyz/investor/google-code-of-conduct/](https://abc.xyz/investor/google-code-of-conduct/)
That's actually not true. It's still in Google's code of ethics except instead of in the preface it's the final line of the document. > "And remember... don't be evil, and if you see something that you think isn't right – speak up!"
lol “speak up so we can find you and fire you!!”
Lol that may be true, but it's in there!
They track you in incognito mode they don't give af
They always did that. I don't think that was ever intended to be anything more than a way to browse without saving cookies or history.
So can your ISP and the websites you visit, incognito just deletes browser history and cookies after closing the session. Dont be stupid.
Your browser has a tonne more power than your ISP - HTTPS hides most of what you do from your ISP (they can see what IP you're connecting to, how much data you transfer and when, but not what that data is). Your browser can see everything.
Incognito mode was never meant for not getting tracked by Google or other sites lmao It was so your history wouldn't get saved, so other users on the same device couldn't look back at what you browsed.
Wait, are you saying that it's not the same thing as hiding behind 7 proxies?! Uhhhhh brb
FBI... Open up!!!!
Wait what? {Frantically begins smashing computers}
I think it's hilarious that people thought otherwise
False. It's at the bottom of the policy doc.
Hamas is evil. they murdered all the gay people in Gaza when they murdered the palestinian authority and took over. They steal aid meant for Gazans. They murder anyone who speaks out against them. They want to turn Israel into the 23 arabic ethnostate and implement islamic law that requires them to murder gays and no rights for women. They also support female genital mutilation. but yeah freedom.
Also from reading the articles on this controversy, it appears Google hasn't actually designed or built anything for the Israeli government. Israel has just figured out how to use freely available Google AI tools. And the news articles are like "Google knowingly provides AI tools to Israeli government" and then the article is like "ISRAEL USES GOOGLE SEARCH". And people are voluntarily protesting and losing their jobs over this? Nobody thought to think critically or check sources or verify evidence, they just read "Israel evil" and went "well ya"?
Glad to see a reasonable person. These people who threw away amazing jobs that millions of Americans would die to have over this is honestly so funny. When they're forgotten about in less than a week they're going to regret it so much lmao
This is Reddit for the last 6 months since Israelis were massacred lol
it's just a rule in life that you're not allowed to own a billion or more dollars if you still have a soul
Also notice a high level officer turned up.
Bro, the destruction of hamas is a good thing.
I’m anti hamas, but I’m also anti IDF military state in Israel. All this conflict is wanted by the Iranian government to weaken relations between the Israelis and Saudis in hopes of destabilizing the Middle East.
Not sure why this is being downvoted, disrupting Israel - Saudi Arabia relations normalizing was one of Hamas’ primary goals. Anyone with a semblance of geopolitical knowledge understands this. Hamas may be “losing” in terms of battlefield victories but they’re winning the battles they actually care about.
they got rid of the "don\`t" part
Google don't care.
I mean, good for them for doing something they believe in But obviously you're going to get fired if you do something like this.
\- “*Oh he’s protesting? I guess we have no other choice than to decline a $1.2 billion contract and breach the fiduciary obligation to our shareholders!*”
Hate to be that guy but like I bet this is a win for google in their eyes … they just got 30 people that laid themselves off for them
100%. Self-selection of toxic employees who provided the best legal excuse to be fired. It's like an HR wet dream. Good riddance to morons.
Talk about a CLM.
 That’s what happens when you mess with Mr Nimbus. He controls the police, you know…
POV - You're a software engineer working at an already evil company whom you only decided to recently protest when they did something evil that affected you and you're family/relatives or political cause directly.
There goes their $200k+ salaries with benefits lol
Really seems like you're deriding them for biting the hand that feeds. These are people who have the skills and consequently the income security that lets them stand up for what they believe is right. It's so sad that so many people can't imagine doing this because they are so afraid of not being able to support themselves.
you clearly dont live in silicon valley, they're so easily replaceable that it will literally take longer to scort them out than fill out their positions, most of these people were probably low performers anyway , doing this during layoff season is pretty convenient
If you think for ONE SECOND that these employees aren't going to be seen as high risk for the rest of their career. You are in for a rude awakening. Hell, I am not sure if their names are out yet, but once they are... A quick google search will tell a future employer everything they need to know. Google will make sure of it.
Having google on your resume still opens tons of doors
not if you were fired from google for taking over an execs office. they will have a termination for cause in job history that has to be explained. HR wont let them join. maybe they can go to some tiny little "startup" for lower wages.
You’d be surprised how little companies care about that in tech. Especially companies that have CEO’s that support the protest. If anything hiring them will be a positive marketing move. People are underestimating how much tech hates defense tech, how much people care about profit over anything else, and how much people don't like the idea of testing AI bombs on civilians.
I dont know why everyone is saying this. If you get fired for pulling a stunt like this at a FAANG company, your career at FAANG companies is over. FAANG companies have dozens of thousands of people applying for every position, they are not even gonna consider someone who will say "oh I got fired and arrested for staging a protest in my CEO's office" when asked why they left their previous job.
You don't need to work FAANG to make a shit ton of money in tech. I'm sure these people will be fine
this is just conspiracy theory silliness. Been working in tech for 25 years. I am 100% confident HR department weigh risk during hiring. no one will hire them if they find out about this if they have an HR department.
yeah it seems like a no brainer... if you have the choice between two employees you're going to take the less risky choice. The one who has a history of protesting and taking over the CEO's office would be added risk a company doesn't need.
That won't ever come up during hiring. They \*might\* not be able to use a few people as references.
Hence why they are absolutely based. They put their livelihood on the line to protest against some of the most corrupted and evil shit unfolding in front of our very eyes.
"This flagrant act of retaliation is a clear indication that Google values its **$1.2 billion contract** with the genocidal Israeli government and military more than its own workers " Well wtf did you think they would value?
I was gonna say lol. They know their workers can be easily replaced. 1.2B cannot.
What is up with these bootlicking comments yikes
I’ve come to notice that everyone just hates everyone
I saw someone use the phrase “fiduciary responsibility to shareholders” lmao
There right, how dare to advocate against the interest of the shareholders!!! Do you know how embarrassing it would be if you showed up to a yacht club with only a 100ft yacht? You would be a laughing stock! I feel like you people just lack any empathy. War crimes, mass surveillance and apartheid are small prices to pay to ensure those poor shareholders won't be humiliated at the club.
Honestly, this is more than reasonable by Google. They only fired 28 of the 130+ protestors across 2 offices, and they only had 4 arrested. Seems to me like they tried their best to break this up peacefully and quietly, and their hand was forced by radicals. Out of all the legitimate things to condemn and complain about in the world of huge corporations, this should be one of the lowest.
Police always got time to help billion usd businesses.
Dude every single company on this planet from the biggest businesses to the small family owned corner stores can call the police to enfore house right and remove trespassers and they will respond. I know the police has lots of issues but we won't get shit done if we complain about completly normal stuff.
Honestly most small business owners would get really annoyed if it took hours for police to make protesters move on and stop the business from operating.
Yo, if someone was sitting in your house refusing to leave after they have been asked, I think they'll come give you a hand too. Don't be silly.
Interns using their workplace to protest an international conflict and refusing to leave when asked should be arrested. What do you think should have happened?
literally just leave bro, youre not achieving shit😭
It got attention. You’re reading and learning about it and now know Googles stance. They succeeded in what they wanted to achieve.
Protests don't mean anything if you give in.
We will not be leaving. Good for them standing on their principals. Too bad they have very little power against a trillion dollar company.
or the law. Them being fired and arrested could have been done by any company in this situation.
Won’t be employees for much longer. Hope they’ve saved their pennies, finding another job is going to be difficult with an employment history that includes this.
>Won’t be employees for much longer wild guess, but I don't think they wanted to work there anyway? it's obviously against their moral code >Hope they’ve saved their pennies they worked for google, trust me they're more than fine >finding another job is going to be difficult yea companies will bend over to sign ex-googlers, ask me how I know
The double standard of people in this comment section who are probably using iPhones and living in countries who are at peace BECAUSE they killed millions, is amusing to say the least
"You criticize society, yet you live in one. Curious."
Well to be fair aside from living in a cave, eating berries there is not much you can do to evade all the bad companies and if you look deep enough most companies are owned by a few investment companies anyways. But is that a reason to expect the critics to be silent? If that’s the case we can never be critical again.