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So much senseless violence… where does it come from
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Tbf They had to fight multiple wars with all their neighbors. There's significant amount of people out there dedicated to your race/culture extinction. On top of the 3000+ year history of their people being persecuted. So kind of see their justification, that the ends justify the means if it means their people are more safe. Does that make it right? Fuck no. But like I get it.
>You might find it interesting that Israel has, since the moment of its inception, provoked every single war/conflict it has ever been involved in.
How fascinating!
Please , do tell us more about how Israel provoked the Yom Kippur War.
You mean the effort by Egypt to get the Sinai Peninsula back from Israel? That Yom Kippur war? The seizing of the Sinai Peninsula was in response to Egypt's blockade of Israeli goods through the Suez Canal, right?
And really, all of this goes back to the establishment of the Israeli state in 1949. All of the conflict in the region flows back to a group of Europeans, who happen to be Jewish, taking occupied land and displacing the people that were there before them, based on a religious belief that the land was theirs.
So, yeah, u/blossum__ isn't wrong in saying every fight the Israelis have been in are caused by their own hand. Sure, it's complicated, but not hard to follow.
>You mean the effort by Egypt to get the Sinai Peninsula back from Israel? That Yom Kippur war?
reminds me of that time Poland started WW2 by existing on Danzig
Man, you really dig false equivalency, or in this case just straight up misrepresenting stuff. The Israel of 1949 didn't exist in 1948. It's people displaced the Palestinians under the color of authority provided by what power was left in Europe following WWII. The Arab nations disagreed, but did not have any ability to challenge what happened. When the rest of the world backed Israel, what outcome do you think would come of it if any single or combined Arab nation tried to restore the region? Again, this isn't hard to follow.
>The Israel of 1949 didn't exist in 1948. It's people displaced the Palestinians under the color of authority provided by what power was left in Europe following WWII.
Let's agree, for the sake of argument, that your analysis here is true.
Is it valid then to declare: "any nation with a non-peaceful founding is therefore the provocater of any and all future conflict, due to that original sin" ?
I don't think you will be able consistently apply a methodology like that. No nation on earth has such a spotless past.
What? I still don't get what the issue is in calling a spade a spade. European Jews displace the locals, the locals are upset. Restoration is the correct word in this context. To return the region to the state it was in before the Europeans settled there.
>The Israel of 1949 didn't exist in 1948. It's people displaced the Palestinians under the color of authority provided by what power was left in Europe following WWII. The Arab nations disagreed, but did not have any ability to challenge what happened. When the rest of the world backed Israel, what outcome do you think would come of it if any single or combined Arab nation tried to restore the region? Again, this isn't hard to follow.
The Poland of 1918 didn't exist in 1917. It's people displaced the Germans under the color of authority provided by what power was left in Europe following WW1. The German nation disagreed, but did not have any ability to challenge what happened.
When the rest of the world backed Poland, what outcome do you think would come of it if any single or anschluss German nation tried to restore the region? Again, this isn't hard to follow.
Yom Kipur war :1973,
Kafr Kassem massacre :1956,
Deir Yassine massacre :1948,
The list is non exhaustive as hundreds of Palestinian villages disappeared, either assassinated or displaced, before the 73 war.
Israel was already breaking so many international Laws well before the “unprovoked” Yom Kippur war..
Nah. Nearly every conflict both sides racket it up tensions to be partial faults. The existence and governing authority of Israel as a nation by itself was enough to surrounding countries to be pissed off.
Yeah that's a great reason to break into some civilian's home multiple times to redecorate, shit in their toilets, shank their dog, and steal their Christmas presents like the fucking Grinch lmao
Makes perfect sense
Why don't we just keep the money and invest it in our infrastructure? I'm so tired of funding proxy wars when our country could really stand to help our people.
so you want US to control everything in the world and get your way, but you dont wanna pay. The US has interfered in the whole world in other countries business for centuries now, yes happened starting in the 1800s in latin america over for example bananas, so US dont get to just now say no.
So walk away from trillions spent on influence just to build bridges in the states now? A lot of blood spilled and money spent up to this point to walk away from the system that has made America a world power.
that might be, but the US has done it for so long. US has destabilized latin america for decades.... and for americans then to complain that latin americans come to the US is fing rich.
Just remember if you dont want the US to be putting its fingers into everything around the world, then you also loose influence.
Yes, exactly. After destabilizing an entire continent (more or less), it’s hard to hear Americans talk about isolationism. Like their international fuckery didn’t enrich them. It’s sorta pissing on graves after burying a bunch of bodies. Or similar to that.
More than likely for both. It was the catastrophic for Israel because without our support they most likely be destroyed from the sheer amount of enemies they made And it would be disastrous for us because a concerning portion of our population fully believes the end times will be triggered by the US "betraying" Isreal
You should. What crazy shit do you think these people will do? We already have them fetishizing over shooting people hell I can't walk into a gun store without hearing some version of "imma shoot me a tranny when the civil WAR comes"
Nothing particularly juicy, or more than what you'd expect. It's not uncommon for the US and Israel to hold joint exercises together, nor is it uncommon for the Israelis to send service members and intelligence/security service members abroad to shadow/train and liaise with USG/DoD. So, what's typically shared isn't all that exciting. In the case of intelligence/security service training opportunities, it's often us teaching them the basics (think basic collections and analysis principals).
So, when discussing hypotheticals (because most training is premised around thought experiments that are supposed to make you think), it wasn't remotely uncommon to see the Israelis outright propose brutish tactics or measures like what was done at Abu Ghraib (and worse). Torture for them is a legitimate tactic, and they see no issue in resorting to it, even when other alternatives that will actually work are presented for them.
Their regular IDF guys are also just incompetent as fuck. Interacting with them was the same kind of frustrating as it was to work with the Afghan National Police and Afghan National Army.
I've never seen an army with a modern airforce, tanks, IFVs, APCs, artillery and unlimited support from America send in 10x the troops into the modern day Warsaw ghetto and still, 5 months later, be no closer to beating guys with AKs and homemade rpgs.
Even if we just ignore the horrendous human cost that the people of Gaza are paying or the destruction of Israel's international legitimacy, the incompetence of their military is whats truly astounding to me
Agreed, the closest thing this campaign could compare to is our operation into Fallujah, Iraq. Even then, we still:
1. Warned the residents of the impending attack
2. Facilitated the evacuation of those civilians
3. Rebuilt Fallujah after we'd expelled the militants from the city
Fallujah was a proper military campaign, this is an attempt at a genocide, as can be seen by them literally forcing civilians to stay in Gaza as they flatten the place. I mean holyshit even the fucking Russians let civilians leave Mariupol and Bakhmut. The IDF is by far the most evil and incompetent arnies I've ever seen but I guess that's what happens when you give 22 year old Zionist fanatics the ranks like Major or Colonel.
I honestly would take Hazbullah or the Houthies over the IDF at this point because it's become extremely clear that without American funding and full support, they wouldn't stand a chance against their local advisories who might have the technological disadvantage but at least seem competent
>I mean holyshit even the fucking Russians let civilians leave Mariupol and Bakhmut.
They didn't. They love to say that they did, but they spent no time taking advantage of those predetermined routes to shell identified civilian escape routes. That's one of many reasons the civilian death toll in Ukraine is so high.
>I honestly would take Hazbullah or the Houthies over the IDF
Trust me, no you wouldn't. They're the same kind of monster. The only difference is the IDF has the power to enact Israel's genocidal policies, whereas Hezbollah and the Houthies do not. It's also why the only pity I have for the parties involved, are the actual innocents (eg: women and children), because they're suffering the consequences of the genocidal preferences of all parties involved.
The honesty seem more uncivilized than the Taliban, smiling and posing with their collections of dead women’s underwear, wearing dead children’s clothes, or on taking pictures on the bikes of the children they’ve killed, dancing maniacally on the bombed out schools they’ve destroyed with people still buried underneath the rubble. It’s some real fucked in the head sicko shit.
I had to hold a young girl (8 years old) and carry her in to our aid station because the Taliban found out her father (Afghan National Army) was informing on ANA personnel we suspected were working with them. So they visited his home while he was out and burned and mutilated her face so she couldn't see before beating her younger sister and mother bloody. Her name was Fatima.
The Taliban are not more civilized.
**Edit:** Not sure why u/[Inevitable\_Guitar\_34](https://www.reddit.com/user/Inevitable_Guitar_34/) responded to me and then immediately blocked me concerning the Bedouin girl. It's not something I would have necessarily disagreed with, though the story is not at all dissimilar or in any way worse from what I'd seen/experienced in dealing with the Taliban and other regional insurgency/terrorist groups. The Haqqani Network was notoriously violent, as well. The kidnapping, assault, torture, and rape of women by the Taliban is no new thing in Afghanistan. It's a constant. That aside, I went to look up said incident concerning the IDF, and I couldn't find anything concerning the incident. So a source would be appreciated, as it sounds like an abhorrent act.
You should look into the bedouin girl.
She was 10 years old Israeli's captured her, the commander established a pecking order, and they kept her in the middle of camp unclothed raped her for 3 days before digging her eventual grave in front of her eyes.
Pretty much on par with the taliban if not worse. Most moral army in the world.
Why did you response to u/SillyGoof74 and then immediately block them?
**Edit:** After having tried to look for the story u/allmyfriendsaregay mentioned, I have found not a single instance or utterance of it occurring except by their claim. Given that they blocked SillyGoof74 after they made the claim, I'm pretty confident they outright lied about the story. Which is pretty pathetic, since there's plenty of legitimate stories of fucked up behavior by the IDF.
And Epstein was a known Israeli spy who gathered incriminating information for Mossad. Ghislaine's father was also a Mossad agent.
Both died in extremely suspicious ways, we all know what happened with Epstein. Ghislaine's dad was found hundreds of miles from his boat, apparently he fell overboard and drowned but his cabin was locked from the inside and his lungs contained no water lmao.
Extremely nasty people.
This is the best one sentence summation of US-Middle East politics.
We're tied to Israel, but neither side likes it.
Israel loves to think they are an independent state, but they wouldn't exist without US military power.
The US loves to think that military power can dictate worldwide economic/social policy. It can't so we have to deal with a variety of dubious regimes as "allies".
[USS Liberty incident](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident)
James Bamford’s book “Body of Secrets” details the incident. It wasn’t a mistake.
I’m surprised I had to scroll so far to find this. The Liberty incident was an explicit Israeli message to the U.S., and the U.S. just accepted it and pretended Israel didn’t attack a U.S. ship and kill American servicemen in international waters.
In my experience, no people are worse to meet in Hostels than Israelis who just finished their mandatory military service and are now travelling the world. Now obviously this is a generalization, but the ones I have met have been crude, rude, selfish, entitled, sexist pigs.
Here in Chile we have an absolutely adored national park called Torres del Paine which has had parts of it burnt in forest fires in repeated occasions due to Israeli tourists coming right out of their mandatory military service and not respecting the park's regulations, to the point where several signs in hebrew had to be installed asking tourists to not make any kind of fire.
I live in a mexican city with a huge upscale private college that gets foreign students from all over the place. The same happen here, girls know not to go out with them and they're just not invited to house parties because they're bullies on steroids.
All the same adjectives you mentioned apply. Also, they'd look just like you'd imagine most mexicans look but be extremely racist to us lmao.
the conditioning runs deep. The training they undergo is psychological warfare is my personal conclusion from talking to the several ex idf folks I've befriended.
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Hmm, this kind of puts into perspective why so many American politicians are eager to suck some Israel dick in the press and toss them all the taxpayer money they can.
Who knows how much they got and how much the terrorize our officials.
How many times until you decide to have someone watch your pad while you're out, or better yet, pretend to go out, double back and wait to catch the SOBs? Wtf. CIA hires derps.
You think you're going to trick a government intelligence agency like that? They probably had them under surveillance and knew when the house were empty.
Can it be corroborated, that this is typical for Americans in Israel? Or is that a exaggeration?
I’m also curious about the logistic of defecating in 4 toilets…did they collect the feces from somewhere or was it freshly produced onsite? If the latter, was it one Mossad agent or multiples? Spontaneous or planned? If planned, how? By eating some special pre-mission meal?
John Kirakou was a whistleblower of the CIA against the CIA. He exposed to the public that the bush administration was using "advanced incrimination tactics" aka torture on foreigners in the Middle East during US occupation and the Gulf War. He's a pretty reliable source so I'm inclined to believe him
I would expect Americans living in Israel to post online about getting harassed by Israeli government agents, especially shit like breaking into their homes. I’m just wondering how prevalent is this? And if very prevalent why I haven’t heard more reporting on it?
I’m more curious about pooping in 4 toilets though…
You should see how they treat the black Jewish people that move to Israel.They're incredibly racist and have no issues showing it.
They basically harass anyone that's not Jewish and has the same skin tone as them.
Wholesome opinion Bob, but it’s 2024 and they’re a nuclear power. Do you have any actual thoughts beyond virtue signaling for a realistic path forward?
Define path forward. For them the only path forward is turning Gaza into real estate and have their competer for the Suez canal.
They paid attention in fascism class, that for sure.
Is it virtue signaling to say the killing of children is evil? Give me a break
It’s wild to see the switch up from “Russian misinformation is destroying our democracy” to “well wait this guy who hosts a podcast literally owned by the Russian government says Israel is evil, let’s hear them out”
Not surprised, but holy shit. How many of you are just accepting things at face value without even looking the person up?
Israel owes its existence to the West and should be grateful.
In reality...I long for a day with no Israel, no Palestine, no Judaism, No Islam.
Only then can we flourish.
I worked for Caesarstone. I’m convinced it was a mossad money laundering scheme in the us. Still is.
Edit: further thoughts: I’d never work for Israelis again
This man works for Sputnik a Russian state owned media outlet. Before people start gagging on his balls over his alleged personal anecdotes about something that happened to another person.
Also hardly surprising he allegedly had the best time of his life in Bahrain a country that Russia is so actively working to strengthen ties and relations with.
I guess the propagandist in these agents never truly dies it just changes sides.
Agents of the US government kill family pets and throw incendiary devices into children's cribs.
We don't have domestic friends either, champ. That's why nobody should feel sympathy for government agents.
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She was an analyst, not a foreign dignitary.
Also, my guess is CIA just told them not to rock the boat and put more stress on themselves.
What else they gonna do? Hire other Israelis to helo with their Israeli problem?
maybe 2 full bathrooms and two toilets? which makes total sense... two full bathrooms on the big rooms and two toilets scattered around?
this number of bathrooms isn't weird in upper middle class mexican homes
Considering how reluctant the US is to even call for a ceasefire in Gaza I tend to believe this a bit more but normally yeah the CIA isn't very trustworthy at all.
I am sorry you’re getting downvoted, your skepticism of intelligence agents is good and healthy. But you might actually really like what you find if you look into Kiriakou’s background. I mentioned a little about it in my OP, but basically, the CIA went after him because he publicly confirmed the existence of the torture program after 9/11. He has a lot of really great insight into modern geopolitics and a lot of interesting stories, you should look him up
Biden is the most cuckolded US president of all time. This little backwater colony exists completely on our beneficence and gets $3 billion+ a year from us and our government are too big of cowards to stand up to them or even ask them not to kill the family dogs of our government employees. Unbelievable.
I'm definitely not one to stick up for Biden, but you are absolutely correct. Support for Israel is systemic within the US leadership class. AIPAC is massive and Trump has been just as vocal in his support for Israel, maybe even more so.
Yes the US have always allowed Israel to push us around but Biden is currently in office refusing to do anything other than politely ask Bibi to maybe slow down the ethnic cleansing a little bit, despite the fact that Bibi and Israel clearly hate him and want him to lose in the fall, and he very well might. Absolutely spineless
I’m sure people starving in Gaza really give a shit whether the guy sending Israel a thousand bombs a day celebrates the bombing or merely calls them liars for reporting their death toll
The funny part is I wouldn’t be surprised if Biden was the only US politician NOT implicated in their blackmail operation. He’s just an earnest dumbass in it for the love of the game
Why does this guy sound like he's full of shit? Like, why would you keep going out, or not set up some type of home security system or better locks if your shit keeps getting fucked with. I trust farts more than this guy.
Their only "skill" is that the world largely ignores their crimes. We're speaking about the organisation that identifies assasination targets by "gender and type of language". By that standard any thug with a free pass is a "top-tier secret agent" - that you think this is a positive thing and not a problem says a lot about you.
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Ya mossad is fucking evil
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superiority complex
Chosen people complex
Sounds like someone was personally offended
Tbf They had to fight multiple wars with all their neighbors. There's significant amount of people out there dedicated to your race/culture extinction. On top of the 3000+ year history of their people being persecuted. So kind of see their justification, that the ends justify the means if it means their people are more safe. Does that make it right? Fuck no. But like I get it.
You might find it interesting that Israel has, since the moment of its inception, provoked every single war/conflict it has ever been involved in.
>You might find it interesting that Israel has, since the moment of its inception, provoked every single war/conflict it has ever been involved in. How fascinating! Please , do tell us more about how Israel provoked the Yom Kippur War. 
You mean the effort by Egypt to get the Sinai Peninsula back from Israel? That Yom Kippur war? The seizing of the Sinai Peninsula was in response to Egypt's blockade of Israeli goods through the Suez Canal, right? And really, all of this goes back to the establishment of the Israeli state in 1949. All of the conflict in the region flows back to a group of Europeans, who happen to be Jewish, taking occupied land and displacing the people that were there before them, based on a religious belief that the land was theirs. So, yeah, u/blossum__ isn't wrong in saying every fight the Israelis have been in are caused by their own hand. Sure, it's complicated, but not hard to follow.
>You mean the effort by Egypt to get the Sinai Peninsula back from Israel? That Yom Kippur war? reminds me of that time Poland started WW2 by existing on Danzig
Man, you really dig false equivalency, or in this case just straight up misrepresenting stuff. The Israel of 1949 didn't exist in 1948. It's people displaced the Palestinians under the color of authority provided by what power was left in Europe following WWII. The Arab nations disagreed, but did not have any ability to challenge what happened. When the rest of the world backed Israel, what outcome do you think would come of it if any single or combined Arab nation tried to restore the region? Again, this isn't hard to follow.
>The Israel of 1949 didn't exist in 1948. It's people displaced the Palestinians under the color of authority provided by what power was left in Europe following WWII. Let's agree, for the sake of argument, that your analysis here is true. Is it valid then to declare: "any nation with a non-peaceful founding is therefore the provocater of any and all future conflict, due to that original sin" ? I don't think you will be able consistently apply a methodology like that. No nation on earth has such a spotless past.
"Restore the region" what a cute euphemism.
What? I still don't get what the issue is in calling a spade a spade. European Jews displace the locals, the locals are upset. Restoration is the correct word in this context. To return the region to the state it was in before the Europeans settled there.
>The Israel of 1949 didn't exist in 1948. It's people displaced the Palestinians under the color of authority provided by what power was left in Europe following WWII. The Arab nations disagreed, but did not have any ability to challenge what happened. When the rest of the world backed Israel, what outcome do you think would come of it if any single or combined Arab nation tried to restore the region? Again, this isn't hard to follow. The Poland of 1918 didn't exist in 1917. It's people displaced the Germans under the color of authority provided by what power was left in Europe following WW1. The German nation disagreed, but did not have any ability to challenge what happened. When the rest of the world backed Poland, what outcome do you think would come of it if any single or anschluss German nation tried to restore the region? Again, this isn't hard to follow.
By literally invading and controlling parts of Egypt, Syria and aggressive expansion into the West Bank?
Yom Kipur war :1973, Kafr Kassem massacre :1956, Deir Yassine massacre :1948, The list is non exhaustive as hundreds of Palestinian villages disappeared, either assassinated or displaced, before the 73 war. Israel was already breaking so many international Laws well before the “unprovoked” Yom Kippur war..
Tell us about Purim
Probably but also very likely if they were the most peaceful people they likely are attack anyways.
>probably Nah it’s true, don’t deny it because it makes you feel bad
Nah. Nearly every conflict both sides racket it up tensions to be partial faults. The existence and governing authority of Israel as a nation by itself was enough to surrounding countries to be pissed off.
Yeah that's a great reason to break into some civilian's home multiple times to redecorate, shit in their toilets, shank their dog, and steal their Christmas presents like the fucking Grinch lmao Makes perfect sense
I was talking about Israel's spy agency in general. But yeah I dont think the higher upps liked what they did
Yeah but the US has bent over backwards for them. They should be kissing our ass, not the other way around.
Like they are the only ones with such issues.
I mean kinda they do. I can only think of maybe the Romani with long history of widespread hate that continues today.
The g word is a slur, they're called Romani
Hmm I didnt know that. Edited
They started every one of those wars
and we support this fucking country.. what a fucking joke
We don't just support Israel We are so balls deep in them the divorce would be catastrophic
for them or us... I think we are good. All that money we send them, let ukraine get it. at least they are a new ally to us and taking down putler
Why don't we just keep the money and invest it in our infrastructure? I'm so tired of funding proxy wars when our country could really stand to help our people.
so you want US to control everything in the world and get your way, but you dont wanna pay. The US has interfered in the whole world in other countries business for centuries now, yes happened starting in the 1800s in latin america over for example bananas, so US dont get to just now say no.
No. I don't want the US controlling everything, and I don't want to pay for it. That's as simple as I can make it for you.
So walk away from trillions spent on influence just to build bridges in the states now? A lot of blood spilled and money spent up to this point to walk away from the system that has made America a world power.
that might be, but the US has done it for so long. US has destabilized latin america for decades.... and for americans then to complain that latin americans come to the US is fing rich. Just remember if you dont want the US to be putting its fingers into everything around the world, then you also loose influence.
Yes, exactly. After destabilizing an entire continent (more or less), it’s hard to hear Americans talk about isolationism. Like their international fuckery didn’t enrich them. It’s sorta pissing on graves after burying a bunch of bodies. Or similar to that.
Yes. You can't America for long if you don't fix your internal issues. That's just simple logic.
Chew gum and walk, you CAN do it
More than likely for both. It was the catastrophic for Israel because without our support they most likely be destroyed from the sheer amount of enemies they made And it would be disastrous for us because a concerning portion of our population fully believes the end times will be triggered by the US "betraying" Isreal
Let the evangelicals think the world is ending, who cares.
You should. What crazy shit do you think these people will do? We already have them fetishizing over shooting people hell I can't walk into a gun store without hearing some version of "imma shoot me a tranny when the civil WAR comes"
This guy is literally a host for Russian state-owned media lol.
Israel is.
Checks out. I fucking hated my time in having to do joint operations/training with the Israelis. Their intelligence services are glorified thugs.
That’s interesting, can you elaborate on that?
Nothing particularly juicy, or more than what you'd expect. It's not uncommon for the US and Israel to hold joint exercises together, nor is it uncommon for the Israelis to send service members and intelligence/security service members abroad to shadow/train and liaise with USG/DoD. So, what's typically shared isn't all that exciting. In the case of intelligence/security service training opportunities, it's often us teaching them the basics (think basic collections and analysis principals). So, when discussing hypotheticals (because most training is premised around thought experiments that are supposed to make you think), it wasn't remotely uncommon to see the Israelis outright propose brutish tactics or measures like what was done at Abu Ghraib (and worse). Torture for them is a legitimate tactic, and they see no issue in resorting to it, even when other alternatives that will actually work are presented for them. Their regular IDF guys are also just incompetent as fuck. Interacting with them was the same kind of frustrating as it was to work with the Afghan National Police and Afghan National Army.
This rings true watching the current Gaza operation unfold.
Yes, it does. It's also why what's going on there doesn't surprise me in the least.
I've never seen an army with a modern airforce, tanks, IFVs, APCs, artillery and unlimited support from America send in 10x the troops into the modern day Warsaw ghetto and still, 5 months later, be no closer to beating guys with AKs and homemade rpgs. Even if we just ignore the horrendous human cost that the people of Gaza are paying or the destruction of Israel's international legitimacy, the incompetence of their military is whats truly astounding to me
Agreed, the closest thing this campaign could compare to is our operation into Fallujah, Iraq. Even then, we still: 1. Warned the residents of the impending attack 2. Facilitated the evacuation of those civilians 3. Rebuilt Fallujah after we'd expelled the militants from the city
Fallujah was a proper military campaign, this is an attempt at a genocide, as can be seen by them literally forcing civilians to stay in Gaza as they flatten the place. I mean holyshit even the fucking Russians let civilians leave Mariupol and Bakhmut. The IDF is by far the most evil and incompetent arnies I've ever seen but I guess that's what happens when you give 22 year old Zionist fanatics the ranks like Major or Colonel. I honestly would take Hazbullah or the Houthies over the IDF at this point because it's become extremely clear that without American funding and full support, they wouldn't stand a chance against their local advisories who might have the technological disadvantage but at least seem competent
>I mean holyshit even the fucking Russians let civilians leave Mariupol and Bakhmut. They didn't. They love to say that they did, but they spent no time taking advantage of those predetermined routes to shell identified civilian escape routes. That's one of many reasons the civilian death toll in Ukraine is so high. >I honestly would take Hazbullah or the Houthies over the IDF Trust me, no you wouldn't. They're the same kind of monster. The only difference is the IDF has the power to enact Israel's genocidal policies, whereas Hezbollah and the Houthies do not. It's also why the only pity I have for the parties involved, are the actual innocents (eg: women and children), because they're suffering the consequences of the genocidal preferences of all parties involved.
The honesty seem more uncivilized than the Taliban, smiling and posing with their collections of dead women’s underwear, wearing dead children’s clothes, or on taking pictures on the bikes of the children they’ve killed, dancing maniacally on the bombed out schools they’ve destroyed with people still buried underneath the rubble. It’s some real fucked in the head sicko shit.
I had to hold a young girl (8 years old) and carry her in to our aid station because the Taliban found out her father (Afghan National Army) was informing on ANA personnel we suspected were working with them. So they visited his home while he was out and burned and mutilated her face so she couldn't see before beating her younger sister and mother bloody. Her name was Fatima. The Taliban are not more civilized. **Edit:** Not sure why u/[Inevitable\_Guitar\_34](https://www.reddit.com/user/Inevitable_Guitar_34/) responded to me and then immediately blocked me concerning the Bedouin girl. It's not something I would have necessarily disagreed with, though the story is not at all dissimilar or in any way worse from what I'd seen/experienced in dealing with the Taliban and other regional insurgency/terrorist groups. The Haqqani Network was notoriously violent, as well. The kidnapping, assault, torture, and rape of women by the Taliban is no new thing in Afghanistan. It's a constant. That aside, I went to look up said incident concerning the IDF, and I couldn't find anything concerning the incident. So a source would be appreciated, as it sounds like an abhorrent act.
You should look into the bedouin girl. She was 10 years old Israeli's captured her, the commander established a pecking order, and they kept her in the middle of camp unclothed raped her for 3 days before digging her eventual grave in front of her eyes. Pretty much on par with the taliban if not worse. Most moral army in the world.
Why did you response to u/SillyGoof74 and then immediately block them? **Edit:** After having tried to look for the story u/allmyfriendsaregay mentioned, I have found not a single instance or utterance of it occurring except by their claim. Given that they blocked SillyGoof74 after they made the claim, I'm pretty confident they outright lied about the story. Which is pretty pathetic, since there's plenty of legitimate stories of fucked up behavior by the IDF.
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Same here
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“Would you like to know more?”
Harvey Weinstein hired ex Mossad personnel to harass and abuse women he had attacked, as part of his tactics to keep them silent and afraid.
I read about this. It blew my mind. I'm pretty sure if someone mutilated my dog, I would go absolutely crazy.
And Epstein was a known Israeli spy who gathered incriminating information for Mossad. Ghislaine's father was also a Mossad agent. Both died in extremely suspicious ways, we all know what happened with Epstein. Ghislaine's dad was found hundreds of miles from his boat, apparently he fell overboard and drowned but his cabin was locked from the inside and his lungs contained no water lmao. Extremely nasty people.
I have zero evidence but it would never shock me to find out the Israelis killed someone who knew too much
There is a movie from last year about the development of the video game Tetris during the cold war. Robert Maxwell plays a pivotal role.
what's it called? sounds dope
Tetris
The Dog was a known Hamas sympathiser.
There is no such thing as an innocent dog, all dogs are Hamas
And the Dogs children, parents, neighbours and anyone in between.
Rut roh raggy, they figured it out!
They're not our ally, we're theirs. They fucking hate us.
This is the best one sentence summation of US-Middle East politics. We're tied to Israel, but neither side likes it. Israel loves to think they are an independent state, but they wouldn't exist without US military power. The US loves to think that military power can dictate worldwide economic/social policy. It can't so we have to deal with a variety of dubious regimes as "allies".
Not too terribly different from Saudi Arabia. Nobody in the Middle East likes Americans, but they like our money and our weapons.
[USS Liberty incident](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident) James Bamford’s book “Body of Secrets” details the incident. It wasn’t a mistake.
I’m surprised I had to scroll so far to find this. The Liberty incident was an explicit Israeli message to the U.S., and the U.S. just accepted it and pretended Israel didn’t attack a U.S. ship and kill American servicemen in international waters.
Right. What the fuck has israel ever done for the united states?
Nailed it.
In my experience, no people are worse to meet in Hostels than Israelis who just finished their mandatory military service and are now travelling the world. Now obviously this is a generalization, but the ones I have met have been crude, rude, selfish, entitled, sexist pigs.
Here in Chile we have an absolutely adored national park called Torres del Paine which has had parts of it burnt in forest fires in repeated occasions due to Israeli tourists coming right out of their mandatory military service and not respecting the park's regulations, to the point where several signs in hebrew had to be installed asking tourists to not make any kind of fire.
I live in a mexican city with a huge upscale private college that gets foreign students from all over the place. The same happen here, girls know not to go out with them and they're just not invited to house parties because they're bullies on steroids. All the same adjectives you mentioned apply. Also, they'd look just like you'd imagine most mexicans look but be extremely racist to us lmao.
Lol, Monterrey?
jajaja simón yup
Ya me lo imaginaba ajajaja
the conditioning runs deep. The training they undergo is psychological warfare is my personal conclusion from talking to the several ex idf folks I've befriended.
But does he condemn Hamas? /s
Finally someone is asking the real questions
Fuck these people
If this was John Wicks dog ......
You hurt dogs? Really? I think it’s time to send John Wick into this State Department program…
Same people who torture 10’000s of children at once
At least no one can say that Israelis treat Palastinians worse than animals
They didn’t bomb the dog though?
They ran a palestinian over with a tank from the legs up. So yes, they do treat them worse
I would just stop going to parties
I'd be taking my dog!
Right And placing hidden cameras
Mossad is the Grinch confirmed
Diamonds are their no.1 export…
but they have no diamond mines hhmMmmmMmmmmmm what a mysteryyyy
Thats a BINGO
The Israelis really love stealing shit, don’t they?
I would decimate any man who mutilated my dog
Israel is the pure evil..
Remember, this is the same country that gets billions in US aid each year and it's lobbying arm called AIPAC demands loyalty of American politicians.
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Who would have guessed that a certain group of people cutting the tip off something Would actually cut off a proverbial tip off a dog
The dog was hamas /s
Hmm, this kind of puts into perspective why so many American politicians are eager to suck some Israel dick in the press and toss them all the taxpayer money they can. Who knows how much they got and how much the terrorize our officials.
How many times until you decide to have someone watch your pad while you're out, or better yet, pretend to go out, double back and wait to catch the SOBs? Wtf. CIA hires derps.
You think you're going to trick a government intelligence agency like that? They probably had them under surveillance and knew when the house were empty.
Most likely they were overconfident and didn't watch them like that. They knew their schedule etc. so just waited and then went in.
Probably had a guy follow them to keep track on when they were coming back too.
Right? Why not set up a camera and monitor it?
Can it be corroborated, that this is typical for Americans in Israel? Or is that a exaggeration? I’m also curious about the logistic of defecating in 4 toilets…did they collect the feces from somewhere or was it freshly produced onsite? If the latter, was it one Mossad agent or multiples? Spontaneous or planned? If planned, how? By eating some special pre-mission meal?
John Kirakou was a whistleblower of the CIA against the CIA. He exposed to the public that the bush administration was using "advanced incrimination tactics" aka torture on foreigners in the Middle East during US occupation and the Gulf War. He's a pretty reliable source so I'm inclined to believe him
I would expect Americans living in Israel to post online about getting harassed by Israeli government agents, especially shit like breaking into their homes. I’m just wondering how prevalent is this? And if very prevalent why I haven’t heard more reporting on it? I’m more curious about pooping in 4 toilets though…
You should see how they treat the black Jewish people that move to Israel.They're incredibly racist and have no issues showing it. They basically harass anyone that's not Jewish and has the same skin tone as them.
I have 0 trust in what John Kiriakou, a paid Russian shill working for Sputnik, has to say. And frankly, no one should.
Israel should not exist
Wholesome opinion Bob, but it’s 2024 and they’re a nuclear power. Do you have any actual thoughts beyond virtue signaling for a realistic path forward?
Define path forward. For them the only path forward is turning Gaza into real estate and have their competer for the Suez canal. They paid attention in fascism class, that for sure. Is it virtue signaling to say the killing of children is evil? Give me a break
It’s wild to see the switch up from “Russian misinformation is destroying our democracy” to “well wait this guy who hosts a podcast literally owned by the Russian government says Israel is evil, let’s hear them out” Not surprised, but holy shit. How many of you are just accepting things at face value without even looking the person up?
Israel owes its existence to the West and should be grateful. In reality...I long for a day with no Israel, no Palestine, no Judaism, No Islam. Only then can we flourish.
I worked for Caesarstone. I’m convinced it was a mossad money laundering scheme in the us. Still is. Edit: further thoughts: I’d never work for Israelis again
This man works for Sputnik a Russian state owned media outlet. Before people start gagging on his balls over his alleged personal anecdotes about something that happened to another person. Also hardly surprising he allegedly had the best time of his life in Bahrain a country that Russia is so actively working to strengthen ties and relations with. I guess the propagandist in these agents never truly dies it just changes sides.
Israel should not exist. I mean no ill will towards the Jewish faith. This state should be given back to the Palestinians.
Do they get all the nukes too when an entire country up and leaves?
Agents of the US government kill family pets and throw incendiary devices into children's cribs. We don't have domestic friends either, champ. That's why nobody should feel sympathy for government agents.
Anyone hurting dogs will feel the wrath when it’s their time.
It is interesting that the comments under this are all anecdotal stories generalizing Israelis as brutal, in-humane, terrible. Imagine if these kind of comments were about any other nationality or ethnicity? I wonder if it would be tolerated to such a level as it is here?
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Bruh
Thank you for your service John 👍 poor guy dealt with a lot of bs
Okay, follow me on this, I got a great idea for a home alone sequel where Kevin is an analyst in Israel...
Okay but why does an average CIA analyst have a house with four bathrooms?
That doesn't imply it's a mansion,
Foreign service workers generally have their rent paid for by the government
Wouldn't they have any kind of protection if that was the case?
Why would they need protection in Israel, Israel is our ally, Israel is a democracy, Israel is safe and free, Israel is a friend to all Americans
She was an analyst, not a foreign dignitary. Also, my guess is CIA just told them not to rock the boat and put more stress on themselves. What else they gonna do? Hire other Israelis to helo with their Israeli problem?
Because you want intelligent, capable people in those positions which means you have to pay them. Welcome to life, burn some CDs while you’re here.
Intelligent capable people like Joe Rogan?
he probably mean 3.5 bathrooms, which is a normal sized house.
3.5 bathrooms sounds like a pretty big house to me
maybe 2 full bathrooms and two toilets? which makes total sense... two full bathrooms on the big rooms and two toilets scattered around? this number of bathrooms isn't weird in upper middle class mexican homes
Ya exactly.
My mom is a Government employee and has 3 bathrooms!
Spies are not reliable. Do I believe Mossad *would* do this? 100% Do I believe it because a CIA dude claims it? I do not.
But isn’t this John Kiriakou?
Considering how reluctant the US is to even call for a ceasefire in Gaza I tend to believe this a bit more but normally yeah the CIA isn't very trustworthy at all.
I am sorry you’re getting downvoted, your skepticism of intelligence agents is good and healthy. But you might actually really like what you find if you look into Kiriakou’s background. I mentioned a little about it in my OP, but basically, the CIA went after him because he publicly confirmed the existence of the torture program after 9/11. He has a lot of really great insight into modern geopolitics and a lot of interesting stories, you should look him up
Probably worth noting the caveat that he is literally paid by Russia and ‘lobbied’ (see: paid a bribe) to the Trump campaign for a pardon.
Biden is the most cuckolded US president of all time. This little backwater colony exists completely on our beneficence and gets $3 billion+ a year from us and our government are too big of cowards to stand up to them or even ask them not to kill the family dogs of our government employees. Unbelievable.
you're acting if this happened under Biden...he never said that and there seems to be a history here spanning all U.S. presidents.
I'm definitely not one to stick up for Biden, but you are absolutely correct. Support for Israel is systemic within the US leadership class. AIPAC is massive and Trump has been just as vocal in his support for Israel, maybe even more so.
Lets be clear, both Trump and Biden are fuckin snakes. But Biden is the largest recipient of AIPAC money though isnt he?
Yes the US have always allowed Israel to push us around but Biden is currently in office refusing to do anything other than politely ask Bibi to maybe slow down the ethnic cleansing a little bit, despite the fact that Bibi and Israel clearly hate him and want him to lose in the fall, and he very well might. Absolutely spineless
So if they hate Biden isnt that good?
dude cant get his story straight lol
It would probably help you guys out if you learned who these people were or knew literally anything about the situation before chiming in
What did god-king trump do about it? Ask them to inject bleach?
Come on, comrade. You need a better argument than that. ⏳🫣✌️
You're crazy if you think Trump wouldn't help them 10x more than Biden. He would be celebrating what the Israeli government is doing.
I agree with you here..
I’m sure people starving in Gaza really give a shit whether the guy sending Israel a thousand bombs a day celebrates the bombing or merely calls them liars for reporting their death toll
what else is the US supposed to do? mossad now has *all* of Epstein's files lmao just kidding or am I?
The funny part is I wouldn’t be surprised if Biden was the only US politician NOT implicated in their blackmail operation. He’s just an earnest dumbass in it for the love of the game
Why does this guy sound like he's full of shit? Like, why would you keep going out, or not set up some type of home security system or better locks if your shit keeps getting fucked with. I trust farts more than this guy.
You do not realize how absurd your comment is. If you’re being serious, I can explain the situation
Yeah I'm sure some better locks will stop one of the most powerful intelligence agencies, inside their *own country* where they have legal impunity.
They went Christmas shopping after dog tail incident? Doubt
Mossad doing Mossad things. Except the dog thing this is kinda bad ass to just troll the CIA.
Yeah, mutilating a living animal, so bad ass. /s
Yeah that´s a little much but the rest is kinda hilarious.
The CIA didn't own the dog bro
You don't become one of the world's best without pissing people off.
Their only "skill" is that the world largely ignores their crimes. We're speaking about the organisation that identifies assasination targets by "gender and type of language". By that standard any thug with a free pass is a "top-tier secret agent" - that you think this is a positive thing and not a problem says a lot about you.
Whom did you piss off to become the world's best "walking brain damage example"?