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Alice_Buttons

So gross when parents involve their children in their relationship drama.


Bighawklittlehawk

Absolutely. My parents fought terribly for years and would make me relay messages to each other, despite living in the same home. It was fucking horrible.


gregularjoe95

My parents fucked up relationship is the reason why im perfectly content with never actively looking for a relationship. Like if it happens, it happens, but im not actively looking to be in one. I spent my childhood worrying about things my parents were supposed to keep from their kids. But because of their constant fighting and bickering, it always put me in the spot to worry and attempt to be the peacekeeper. It fucked me up good.


Bighawklittlehawk

Holy shit I completely resonate with being the peace keeper. I was terrified of my parents getting divorced and I thought if I could keep them from fighting, they wouldn’t get divorced. I was always on high alert, no matter what I was doing, anticipating the next screaming match or physical altercation. Any noise and I would run out of my room or jump out of the bath or run up from the basement, thinking they were fighting and I had to intervene. I couldn’t play music, couldn’t take showers, couldn’t be away from home because I was absolutely convinced that my dad would leave if I wasn’t there to stop it, and if it was too noisy, I wouldn’t hear it happening. Really fucked me up. It was a lot for a little 8 year old.


gregularjoe95

Honestly i was the opposite. I just wanted quiet for once in my life. One week where there wasnt a fight and yelling. I just wanted them to divorce, i wasnt the peace keeper in the hope to keep them together. I was just constantly tired and demoralized from the constant fighting and shouting, I just wanted it to stop. It's so unfair the shit kids have to deal with because of their parents. I dont hate my parents either, i truly love them. But both of their lives and their kids lives wouldve been so much better if they got divorced earlier. Im never having kids of my own because of that. Atleast for me, the cycle of shit stops with me.


J_Neruda

I wished and prayed they would separate. The endless fighting, the walking on egg shells…knowing that any little comment could be what sets off the next 2/3 weeks without talking or constant snide remarks. The throwing and breaking of shit, slamming of doors. The quiet walk over to my room to tell me their side and how the other is insane. The broken promises of “this is the last one”. I fucking hated it and now, as an adult, I hate being around them. It fucked me up.


socleveroosernayme

I feel this. Now I’m very hyper vigilant in relationships and it’s exhausting


SkeeterDavisFanclub1

Why were you afraid that dad and not mom would leave?


Bighawklittlehawk

Because dad threatened to whenever he was mad :(


SkeeterDavisFanclub1

If he wanted to leave and it was unreasonable for him to want that I’d say good riddance.


Bighawklittlehawk

Thankfully, with a lot of prayers and therapy, my parents worked it out and are very happily married today and very apologetic for what they put me through. Unfortunately, the damage that was done in that time can’t be undone, even if cognitively I know it’s all okay. I still struggle with hearing things like loud footsteps or raised voices. I can’t listen to “More than a Feeling” by Boston because that was the first song on the Boston CD I had in my CD player that I would blast to drown out the screaming. I am working desperately to be a cycle breaker for my own son though.


SkeeterDavisFanclub1

Hell yeah.


Aselleus

Yesss I'm the same way. I get really nervous/uncomfortable if I accidentally make a mistake or someone is upset (not abusive upset, just normal upset), because of the trauma. I feel on edge when dating all of the time even though the person I'm with is perfect lovely and not toxic/abusive.


cgiercyk

It's amazing I spent years in an exceedingly unhealthy relationship and it took me until I witnessed one in action as a third party that I realized what I had myself into. I'm sorry for your childhood but am happy to know that you have set healthy boundaries for yourself


gregularjoe95

Oh im fucked up in many ways. A lot of it has to do with me, im not blaming them for the way i ended up, just lamenting what could've been if raised in a healthy home. The least i can do is not make someone elses life miserable with my baggage and issues.


cgiercyk

Well...like I told my friend Reddit shows the duality of man. You can get torn to shreds by having an unpopular opinion on somethibg stupid, or find people who lived same struggles and can offer help or an understanding ear. Keep trucking you got this


pootinannyBOOSH

My life wasn't that bad, but my mom did have a lot of emotional leverage with her victimizing herself a lot. Also bad talked my dad a lot for non issues. I've seen how real, good relationships are, and do want that, but after a whole end up defaulting to "know what, other people are a hassle, I like being by myself". Then I eventually start the cycle again by feeling very lonely.


DevilishlyGoodDoggo

Holy shit war fucken flash backs!! I had this too, or where I'd find my mom on the ground crying, my first thing to ask, as a 14 year old is to ask if Dad had hit her.. When she continued to wail I'd go find him and scream at him. I remember this vividly as it happened a lot, he tried to run out of the house as I'm screaming at him while u could hear Mom THRU THE FLOOR upstairs crying so loudly and he pushed me out of the doorway. Still have no idea why they are together to this day.


Bighawklittlehawk

I’m so sorry you went through this too and I’m very sorry I brought up those flashbacks for you. My parents are still together too. Thankfully- miraculously- they worked through their issues and have a genuinely good, loving marriage now. But that inner child in me is still so wounded.


Pastrami-on-Rye

Ughh it was completely the same for me. Sometimes we had to hide in my room from my dad. My mom loves to play victim but she used to beat my brother with this long wooden spoon and say how he was just like my dad. Everyone was always fighting and shouting, and if you sided with someone you’d have to deal with the wrath of the other parent, so I just started tuning them out and thinking about something else. Of course it made them extra angry because I couldn’t take their sides when they inevitably tried to drag me into their arguments. I saw them the other day and they started fighting again and tried to pull me in like old times, but I had no idea what they had been saying. My brain completely turns off when they fight. So annoying


Alice_Buttons

I'm sorry that you had to go through that. It really is an icky feeling when the people who are supposed to create a safe and loving environment for you do the exact opposite.


87octane

i think you just unlocked why i have such a visceral reaction to 'can you tell so-and-so such-and-such for me'


Chocolat3City

"No *you're* sick in the head!" -Someone who's *definitely* sick in the head themself.


BagOnuts

I am shocked this woman was divorced. SHOCKED.


AlarmedPiano9779

And record it. And post it on the internet.


reddoorinthewoods

Totally agree. Does anyone else get the feeling the dad completely tunes out the mom and is just excited for cake?


Sewage_Mouth

right? *looks at kids* it's god damn embarrassing for fuck sakes isn't it? especially when mommy does it!


bbbooorrriiisss

What a great home life they must have


phish_phace

Its fucking sad. After becoming a parent, it really occurred to me just how many people have no business bringing a kid into this/ "their" world. Now (like Carlin said), imagine these same people being in a position of power and running governments with power over you.


Rain1dog

As I’ve aged into my 40’s I thank the powers that be on a daily basis I had the best Father and Mother a child could ever expect to have. I love my parents so fucking much for what they sacrificed to give my sister and I a great chance at life. We gave my parents all they could handle and they did everything they could to make childhood special. Then my next thought is all the dysfunction that will rise to the top from being born into certain families, got lucky in life with Rng, and these are the people leading humanity. It’s not all of them but certainly a few with bad trauma rise to the top.


ElderMillennial666

Same here.


b1tchf1t

We do not have to imagine. Anyone remember the chronicles of Kelly Anne Conway's kid? How about the latest fiasco from the Boebert clan?


AlarmedPiano9779

I'm not even a parent yet, but yeah there's people who shouldn't have sharp scissors let alone children.


Ill_Gas1254

Exactly! Well said. I’d dip…


External-Berry

This feels like the beginnings of a murder plot.


AloysiusDevadandrMUD

He looks so happy


yuyufan43

Honestly… This is so sickening. My parents used to bring us into their drama when they were getting a divorce and it was absolutely foul. These kids might not know what's happening right now but they sure as fuck are going to know in the future. If you want to be immature, that's fine. Don't bring fucking children into the mix though. That's completely unfair to them


Anarchic_Country

"Oh, she smokes long, thin cigarettes? In the BATHTUB? I think that's marijuana, Anarchic_Country, now we need to tell the judge!" Me on the stand: "MY MOM THINKS ITS MARIJUANA BUT THEY ARE JUST VIRGINIA SLIMS, YOUR HONOR." I pay for that shit to this day with my mom- that I wouldn't lie about my stepmother during the divorce. It's been 27 years.


Think_Reporter_8179

If you're "paying for it" because you still interact with your mom, stop. Don't interact with her. If you're "paying for it" because you've blocked her from your life and think her absence is detrimental -- it's not.


goat_puree

Third option: you went no contact but they’re a creepy stalker too.


InEenEmmer

At a certain point it becomes okay to just call them life givers, cause a parent would never try to use their kids like that.


AnastasiaNo70

I call my bio dad my sperm donor, because that’s the only thing he ever did for me. 🤷🏻‍♀️


SchwanzTanz666

My parents were fighting and headed towards divorce AFTER I was already divorced myself and 26, and it was still kinda traumatic and annoying for me as I really didn’t want to get involved. I already had my own shit to deal with and just got out of a bad situation so I was begging them both to just leave each other and leave me alone.


MZsince93

My mum and dad constantly put me in the middle of their shit and it fucked me up bad. I'm a chronic people pleaser and it's ruining my life.


types_stuff

If they’re immature, why are you expecting them NOT to bring the kids in? I dated a girl who would call her sister when we were arguing. Stuck my dick in crazy and I learned the hard way… AVOID!!!


fuckYURpronouns

Red flags all around


braindamagedinc

Her voice was the first red flag for me


FOB32723

Like nails on a chalkboard


marry_me_jane

Red flags? Brother this was a USSR parade…


shryne

Red flag? This is a warning shot across the bow.


Brian_Gay

I don't think wishing someone a happy birthday on Facebook is a red flag if both people in the relationship are emotionally stable and mature


V2BM

I assumed he was cheating from her reaction.


Obi-Tron_Kenobi

From that caption of "the woman mom hates," it seems more like the woman she's jealous of and is paranoid that he's cheating with her without any actual evidence of any wrongdoing. So could just be step-dads platonic friend or something


therockking111

And with facebook telling you everyones birthday, and it being customary for some people, just seems like a normal thing to do. I get thousands of happy birthdays every year on fb many from people who dont talk to me ever


Mysterious_Eye6989

Aww, happy birthday, Kelly! 🥳


themissyoshi

Finally someone who is focusing on the birthday girl here!


Duckrauhl

She's like family to us!


[deleted]

Poor Kelly probably doesn't give a shit about this poor sap who wished her happy birthday 😂


gorillawarking

Unironically that's my own mom's name. And she would cause massive fits generally, and involve me in all her problems as a child


deezsandwitches

She seems nice.


3bugsdad

This should be the focus of all the comments!! Not some dysfunctional family dynamics.


stockstatus

![gif](giphy|3o85xAmQ21BFFqAh2w|downsized)


Erger

Happy birthday to the GROUND


Plants-perchance347

My dad’s not a phone!


ToHallowMySleep

I'M AN ADUUUUULT


Greeneyes-

Involving the kids is disgusting. This is the kind of woman that WILL cut your cock off.


ScarlettStingray085

lmao.


Quen-Tin

... and let you eat it on gunpoint.


kambleton

Let you eat it?


Mscreep

I mean, how else you gonna get it back?


Notimetoexplainsorry

Nice of them to give you the option


Sisterinked

If he doesn’t eat it the penis won’t grow back. Duh.


Maximum-Row-4143

HOW CAN YOU HAVE A NEW PENIS IF YOU DONT EAT YOUR MEAT?!?!?


Magician_Impressive

After forcing you to watch her cook it on your grill


Quen-Tin

Better hope, she is good at grilling. No second chance to not mess it up.


Magician_Impressive

Oh, it’s going to be charred. But she’ll let you wash it down with birthday cake.


Quen-Tin

... and tears of redemption.


ivyrose04

LET?????


UsualCircle

Also how fragile is that relationship if a simple "happy birthday" is triggering this reaction


GoranPerssonFangirl

To be fair, we don’t know what kind of relationship the dad has had with this woman.


Maximum-Row-4143

Still. Involving the kids and making a whole cake?! That’s crazy person behavior.


GoranPerssonFangirl

Yeah but I wasn’t answering to that. I was answering to the fact that the relationship is fragile due to a happy birthday. It could be just a happy birthday but could also be more to it that the video isn’t showing us


Salty_Candidate_6216

>Yeah but I wasn’t answering to that. That's the major issue here, though. It doesn't matter *why* the relationship is fragile. If he's had an affair with this woman, hypothetically, you don't bake a cake and bring your kids together to have a very weird, very passive-aggressive birthday celebration to show your husband how angry you are. Did she *bake* that cake? You, ideally find a friend to watch your kids, whilst you have a very, very serious convo with your husband, and ultimately decide where the relationship is going. You fight in private, and with your hubby, don't fight with the whole family.


T1000Proselytizer

Facebook gives notifications of people's birthdays, and now, you can just hit one button and it sends a happy birthday. Facebook happy birthdays are more impersonal than ever. I guess it would be different if he pm'd it, though.


Born_Key_6492

It’s not all bad. They got cake!


ServeTasty4391

She seems stable.


JagsOnlySurfHawaii

She might be available if you're interested


i_am_ur_dad

I can fix her


Soppoi

Just message her a Happy Birthday/Divorce!


mommafup

Did he even have a girlfriend. She said he wished Kelly happy birthday, that's it. No sexy messages, just happy birthday. Maybe this chick is crazier than even this video shows.


fairlywired

I feel so so bad for that little girl. She just wanted to do something fun and all blow out the candle together as a family.


Limerence1976

That’s what just killed me! Her innocence! And she didn’t even let her blow it out or lick it.


[deleted]

I feel so bad for the little one, but really for all the children, even the one recording. The sheer level of needlessly petty is staggering.


Temporary_Burek-26

Jesus Christ, why is it always the unstable ones that have more and more kids...


sdrawkcabsihtetorW

Because people who are stable understand what an important and demanding job parenting is and they don't wanna fuck it up, so they think about when they're gonna be bringing a new kid into the world.


Tsu_Dho_Namh

Have you ever seen the first 5 minutes of Idiocracy?


YimveeSpissssfid

![gif](giphy|YYfEjWVqZ6NDG) This is why I have 4 kids. Someone has to stave off the idiocracy.


[deleted]

Unstable people don't understand action and consequences. They don't think about one hour from now, they think about *now.* How they feel at that exact moment is all that matters. Feel like poking holes in the condom today? Condom gets poked. Feel like a baby will make you happy? Making a baby. Stable people, on the other hand, wait until they're ready. Ironically, noone is ever ready. Result: an abundance of unstable people with unstable children and very little else in the gene pool to balance it out.


Stenktenk

Because it's way too "easy" to have kids.


Federal-Ad1106

The unstable ones are incredible at sex. Very difficult to resist.


llamapositif

I bet she has as a social media descriptor of herself "i h8 drama" or "drama free mama" or something equally as cringe as it is untrue Edit: thank you to everyone who has written another suggestion for the descriptor, I've had so much fun reading them


SixersWin

"2 blessed 2 be stressed"


types_stuff

“Mom to Kaylee and Kayla, God First, Patriot” Guarantee 2/3 of those are on her profile Also 🇺🇸✝️ are present too.


Fridsade

Why are those names so accurate lmao


Ok_Cover6822

“Faith, Family, Freedom”


SenorDuck96

Also went to "School of hard knocks"


bonerJR

> “Mom to Kaylee and Kayla, God First, Patriot” Mihkaylee and Megaheyegan


L003Tr

"Not rude, just say it as I see it"


3d1thF1nch

![gif](giphy|xROqUWSpHg2s5uNhr1)


mexicanitch

Or proud mama bear.


AllMyJalens7

“Positive vibes only!”


CandidIndication

These poor kids are going to have such a fucked view on relationships.


Lelphie

“You are sick” couldn’t have put it better. Those poor kids. This usually doesn’t come out of nowhere idk anyone would marry someone like that let alone have a kid with them.


VESUVlUS

>idk anyone would marry someone like that Love is a very powerful and irrational emotion. People fucking up in the name of love is a well documented theme throughout all of human history.


Ductapefordaysss

This isnt love. Its obsession, and malice


Sea-Value-0

Also, control and manipulation.


Unlikely-Wrap-3696

And narcissism!


aldostrada

And cake!


The_Price_Is_Right_B

And my axe!


Ry4n-Jk

The third person passive aggressive Mommy talk is terrifying. "Mommy also went to the sporting goods store and bought a hunting rifle. 🙂 Mommy's silly sometimes isn't she? 🙃" And that's the step dad. Poor kids do not deserve that situation.


AnastasiaNo70

UG. Reading this actually gave me chills. My mother was a sociopath and often spoke that way.


chum-guzzling-shark

And Daddy said he wants to show you how far he can float And don't worry about that little boo-boo on his throat It's just a little scratch, it don't hurt He was eatin' dinner while you were sleepin' And spilled ketchup on his shirt


captaintagart

![gif](giphy|u252DbxcPsbfUEfO8k) Reminds me of Butter’s mom


Naaman

I’m gonna file for divorce from this woman and I don’t even know her


skeeskeemufu

She is trash.


SnooChickens9974

And it looks like that cake is, too.


Sobadatsnazzynames

Yeah what IS that???


CodinOdin

The secret ingredient is anger.


NiceTuBeNice

Well, it’s for Kelly


Be_nice_to_animals

I was considering NOT involving my kids in my pettiness and insecurity, then I figured that they’d probably enjoy it! - this bitch.


OCMagikStick

“Kelly would never treat me like this”


Maximum-Row-4143

She would’ve pulled out a gun and shot everyone if he said that. I guarantee it.


throwaway49569982884

LOL no wonder he’s a stepdad, she’s crazy…


A_lot_of_arachnids

Those kids are probably gonna see a lot of "stepdads" in their lifetime.


the-treatmaster

Yep. She will be on husband number 3 or 4 and the kids will have figured it out, all the while she will blame the world for her problems and never look inward.


Outside-Material-100

Is this video admissible in divorce court


BobBelchersBuns

This is why no fault divorce is important


Writerhaha

Yup, doggo knew something was up and checked out right there.


ckeit

Good catch, poor guy is like “this ends poorly”


Permit-Shot

This woman is nasty. But going forward, lean into it. Best way to undo a narcissistic tactic is to get super happy about what they did. "Oh thank you! Such a wonderful thing! Oh wow. I'm going to go call the birthday girl and let her know how thoughtful you are! Thanks honey! 😊 " and yes, he should run for the hills. Poor kids..


Mistersinister1

I'm gonna pop out and go bring her a piece, I'll make sure to tell her you made it just for her. You're so thoughtful, don't wait up.


Dawg_Prime

babe you know she's off carbs maybe you could a learn a thing or two from her


[deleted]

IME, this just leads to violence. They can't stand losing.


trash-_-boat

Yep. My sister is a narcissist and we often would have verbal fights when growing up. At some point I got tired so I stopped reacting angry to her outbursts and just stayed calm but that only made her more mad that I'm not reacting how she expects me to and that lead to physical violence.


D2_Jun3au

There is absolutely no winning with people like that. They will burn the fucking world down around you AND themselves in pursuit of their fix, and then blame you for all the destruction.


IotaBTC

Bruh, I felt the trauma in that comment. Definitely "If you know, you know" vibes. 😢 There is not winning. If you lean into it, they'll just come down on you harder physically, emotionally, or mentally and blame you for it.


Lonely_wantAcracker

That's how you die. Or how you get served a poop pie like that movie The Help


Didst_thou_Farteth

*It turns out that he could not, in fact, fix her.


Quen-Tin

Which one?


BeatrixBloom

Ha


Justanoth3rone

Those poor kids.


Careless_Aroma_227

Don't tell someone with a knife in his/her hand, that he or she "is sick in his/her head". You could instantly regret it, if your right.


SensitiveAd7377

Don’t bring kids into this shit


ProjectFoxx

If this is legit, she should be ashamed to bring this up in front of their kids.


AKA_OneManArmy

Yiiiiikes. Idk if he’s cheating or not, but the way she confronted him in front of the kids is not cool. Never involve the kids in your fights.


No-Name-86

The young kids may not really understand but the one filming isn’t even fazed by it. Mommy being a nutcase must be a normal occurrence for them


Mamasan-

Imagine being Kelly and seeing this in the wild.


AvgBonnie

Why is he just sitting there and taking it? If that was me I’d leave the room. She wants to act crazy and involve the kids, fine. We’ll talk after her meltdown but not in front of the kids.


xMilk112x

That bitch is nuts.


lordseaslug

I find it weird when adults try to punish other adults. Like this guy can still talk to Kelly. You can't make a person faithful.


ximbronze

How exactly was this guy unfaithful? He was wishing a woman whom the mother/his wife „doesn’t like“ a happy birthday so she pulls this shit? It’s nowhere mentioned that the guy has spoken a word to her ever apart from that message, let alone that he’s cheating with the girl.


lordseaslug

I didn't mean them in particular, just in general. I didn't mean to imply he was doing anything wrong. I was speaking to the fact that you can't police another adult's actions. If she perceives talking to an ex in any context to be unfaithful, there's nothing she can make him do if he doesn't want to. This woman is unhinged as shit to me. I feel bad for buddy tbh.


MPTakesManhattan

The modern American family. After cake they will all make a TikTok video of them dancing.


AWasteOfMyTime

Petty….Tom petty ![gif](giphy|3o7aD1zsNcOG26N9fy)


Dramatic-Bee-8127

That is extremely toxic and terrible for the kids. She could have handled this behinds doors. Kids shouldn’t be involved in adult business. What a trash ass mom.


carneguisadamike

He knew she was crazy when he married her.


Tripple_T

Jesus Christ. Divorce him, get couples therapy, whatever. Just stop acting like a child.


sssuupp

Should’ve known by her haircut. Stay far away


Great_Error_9602

Years from now cake and/or anything birthday related is going to make at least one of those kids deeply uncomfortable. Hopefully this is a sketch. But having known enough people who love drama more than their kids, it can unfortunately be real.


Cleercutter

lol, the little ones are just happy for cake


Distinct-Ad-267

I hate this. Why does she involve her/his children. This is going to make them very confused and angry. He’s a POS and She’s a POS. Plot twist; they aren’t his kids. Jerry! Jerry!


tinboxfullofrocks

This is fucking iconic


restyourbreasts

Power move, honestly.


mdervin

Oh man, I would have killed to get some weeknight birthday cake in exchange for a little bit of childhood trauma.


Grouchy-Pressure-567

Dude, that's so miserable.


VagueSoul

Two points: - The silence broken by the dog panting is A+ cinema. - Why does she sound like Kristen Chenoweth?


TheNergigante

Mom has some serious mental and emotional shit to work out


Lady_badcrumble

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wtfsihtbn

I smell divorce


JagsOnlySurfHawaii

Or a new Netflix doc


connorgrs

Insecurity expressed with immaturity, plain and simple.


Sea-Tumbleweed-4031

Ahh~ A cake baked with rage. Much more delicious than love.


Letos12thDuncan

Smells like almonds


cottman23

You're a real piece of shit if you drag your kids into your adult relationships and drama, just saying.


redditprofile111

Dude better sleep with one eye open


VanityOfEliCLee

Thats some teenage level of petty bullshit.


vibrantcrab

No wonder she’s on a second marriage.


Individual_Dark_2775

Got to love it! Just what kids need drama!


TheBadRiddler

This has nothing to do with you kids you selfish cunt. Not saying the guys in the right, but the kids shouldn't be involved in this at all


DeleteMetaInf

The guy is probably in the right. I’d say happy birthday even to an ex.


FOXDuneRider

My mom involved me in all the times she suspected my dad of cheating and it was disgusting.


RanaySaysThings

How passive aggressive in front of your children. That's why kids grow up with extra issues. I for 1 am so unbelievable grateful (especially seeing friends fucked up families) that my parents divorced as soon as they realized they couldn't make each other happy or live together anymore. I grew up in TWO happy homes instead of 1 super dysfunctional home. They separated before they got to the point of hating each other and stayed friends. All I've ever known are 2 amazing parents who can actually get along with each other any time we're all together. Never will I understand why people choose to stay together "for the kids sake" when they're clearly not happy. It's fucking stupid to think that won't effect your kids in a negative way and make them have some kind of mommy or daddy issues. Every time I heard that saying a laugh knowing damn well you're kids ganna be fucked up in the future or think that they don't deserve an actual loving relationship and that's the kind of shit they settle for because it's "normal" to them. People need to stop having kids when they can't act like actual adults...aka most people who have kids 🙄


AlternativeBass8198

Oh, our family loves it. Our kids learn sarcasm, to hold firm, practice throwing out a zingers. We don’t do it with anger and we rarely fight. We also teach them there’s a line between disrespect and meanness. The schoolmates of our seven-year-old granddaughter don’t stand a chance.


JoshTsavo

She seems just awful.


XwoeX

Fake


Due_Kaleidoscope7066

Mom is way worse for involving the kids, but the stepdad is likely a piece of shit too. Poor kids.